The Rivian R2: Are We Pre-Ordering?

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0:35yo what is up people of the internet welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts i'm marquez i'm andrew and i'm david we're all back we're back time uh we've got quite a mixed bag this week i'm sorry i gotta ask can i can i turn my headphones down a little more i think i asked for this wasn't in the script yeah oh that's perfect that's way better okay uh we're gonna check out the new macbook air that's number should i start over that was your slim shady i kind of liked it but now that you asked yeah nothing phone 2a is out and all the official specs and the review are out and also rivian r2 because it's you know it's the wave it's a wave form podcast and then we got to wrap it up with a quick interview of some open ai researchers talking about soar a little bit of exclusive information and some fun process stuff from the people at open ai but first samsung might make a ring maybe you need to pose the question because i think we briefly talked about how the samsung event had like this ring at the end but then we were getting water the other day and you just said to me what's the difference between the samsung ring and the galaxy home honest question and i was like well the samsung ring is definitely going to come out it's like pretty obvious there's aura rings we've seen them all a lot like blah blah and then your argument was well that when when the galaxy home was announced there were lots of other home speaker things that existed already there's i just feel like there's a surprising amount of parallels if you just look at the way this ring was announced i'm not saying it's not coming out i just think it's funny that there's a lot of parallels between this ring announcement and the bixby home that's what i'm calling it it's a good it's a galaxy sure but the galaxy home was like teased at the end of an announcement from some other product and then they had like a bunch of rows of them and you got to see it but it wasn't working and I think some people took videos of it, but they couldn't actually demo it.

2:27And then it was just gone for a while. And then we saw it at CES, remember? Like a couple weeks later. It was like on a wall full of them. Yeah. And then guess what? This Galaxy, this ring. And then they had it at Samsung Developer Conference, which I went to only to see the Galaxy Home. And it was fully working. They had full units there available to use. Yeah, I made a whole video, a hands-on video from it for Android Authority. One of the few. Yeah, one of the very few. And the Galaxy Ring is in the similar position where I think someone got hands-on time with it recently. I think at CES and posted a hands-on article about it.

3:05Yeah. But that's not further than the Galaxy Home got yet. I was going to say, it's the same timeline of, number one, it was announced as a blip teaser with no info at the end of a different product announcement. I think it was S24, right? We got this ring at the very end. And it was super short. It was like a 10-second circle on the screen. Oh, they're making a ring. I was just going to say that was less of a ring, more of like a shadow of a circle. It was a pure teaser. But then again at MWC a few weeks later at a trade show, we got to see them again. Some people got to see the ring and it was like, okay, it's real.

3:40They're going to make it. We don't have any more information about price or how it works or anything like that. I don't think we even have a name, but they're going to make a ring. And here we are again. so yeah i don't know how much it'll cost or what the features are differentiating things will be but it does kind of feel like it's the same question mark this is not dissimilar to air power either it was kind of the like we've got another cool thing yeah although air power they didn't even show off they just like talked about it once never again and then years later it was confirmed it was being yeah canned so the weird thing about galaxy home is samsung never addressed it like it just it got canceled internally but they did make a mini a home mini for south korea but then did that come out yeah in south korea only just in south korea i think so so they're just hoping we forgot about the other one yeah basically yeah and then this uh you can buy it on ebay yeah can we buy the mini one yeah you can there's nothing about it feeling like it says akg on it oh no yeah but it's in a samsung packaging yeah yeah we should buy this samsung owns Harman Kardon, which owns the licensing rights.

4:50Samsung owns everything. I didn't know they owned Harman Kardon. Wow, Samsung. I feel like if there's speakers in your car, they're owned by Samsung. Well, Harman Kardon is popular in cars. AKG is a sub-brand of Harman Kardon. B &O, though, is owned by LG? No, it's not. Cut that. B &O is also different from Bowers and Wilkins. Yes. And JBL is owned by Samsung as well, right? Are they really? Yeah. No, no. So they're owned by Harman Kardon. Yeah. Okay, so. It's an umbrella. Like, audio, like pro audio companies are very rarely independently owned anymore. They're all couple companies. Harman Kardon is owned by Harman International.

5:35Oh, B &O is owned by Harman International. Which is owned by Samsung. What? What? Yeah. No, no, there's like almost no independent players in the game anymore, which is also sad because like a lot of the companies that are under the Harmon umbrella, Lexicon being one of them. Like Lexicon was this really cool 80s and 90s companies that only made brilliant reverb all they did. And now they're just like a slap and they slap the name on it. Yeah, that's really still independent. Shout out to Grado. Harmon International completed the acquisition in 2015. Wow, that's depressing. That's what I'm saying.

6:11car speakers i feel like so many car speakers are like bang olson jbl harman kardon there's all samsung's wow that's actually making it to like buy really high-end audio brands and just like license the naming but actually just be samsung that's crazy yeah wow there's a couple out there there's the meridian there's bose there's some others but so why don't they just buy aura the ring the aura ring so that's the thing about a ring come on samsung it's a it's a decently well-known already category of product. We kind of know what a smart ring is, and Aura Ring is the dominant player. So I guess Samsung's choices were we make our own, we basically do all the same stuff, and people see the Samsung one on the shelf and just go, oh, a Samsung one, and we'll buy that instead of some Aura thing we've never heard of.

6:59Or they buy Aura and get all of those customers, people who love the brand, and I don't know. But please leave it alone, unlike Google did with Fitbit. Yeah, well, the Fitbit story is one to know. When Marques and I were talking about this, he like brought up all those points and I couldn't make the argument against it as much as I believe the Samsung ring is going to be. It probably will. Yeah. And and then he was like, well, why would someone want this over an aura ring? And I was like, well, because it'll fit into S Health easier. Like if they're in the ecosystem, that might be better. And then the first thing I was like, well, it makes more sense that they do that.

7:32Unlike Google, who has to be in the stupid Fitbit app now when it makes so much more sense to just be in Google Fit. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so I don't know. I still think this, I think you still think this is going to come out. I'm talking myself into, yes, it'll still eventually come out, but I really don't really have any info. I think it's much less common that products get announced, well, hardware products from major companies get announced and don't end up coming out. Agreed. So it probably will just based on precedent, but there is a chance. There is a chance that it just never ships. This still feels like an easier product than, because I mean this probably is almost exactly the same as the Oura Ring if we're being honest like and just in Samsung ecosystem which makes a ton of sense so I mean I guess at the same time so is the Bixby Home but it looks cool they've got the tiny one we have to buy this right can I send this to Alex right now I'm putting it on my to-do list I'm spoiler I'm sending this to Alex I'm putting this to Alex right now okay well hey speaking of easy products Apple refreshed the MacBook Air.

8:40Yay. What? Really? I thought that was a good segue. You missed this. That didn't really hit like I was hoping it would. Do it again. Do it again. But speaking of easy products, Apple just refreshed the MacBook Air. No way! I don't get it. Wait. When? Yesterday. It's the same laptop with the new chip inside. I'm not joking. Yesterday. No, yeah. They released it yesterday. Yeah, yesterday. Did they have like a - It was a press release. But we were at the event. well yeah we were in california but no we do we have a new m3 macbook air refresh for 2024 previously i mean this is it's really the easiest product of all time previously we had the m2 macbook air which was the new design and then we had the m1 macbook air which was the old design m2 was 1099 right and then m1 was the 999 laptop all they did ready is just slot in the new m3 chip to where the M2 MacBook Air was.

9:37So that's now 1099. They bumped down the M2 MacBook Air to 999 and they discontinued the M1 MacBook Air. Love to see it. Cool, yeah, moving on. That was great. No, they didn't really change anything else. And I think that's actually maybe my biggest complaint. Well. There are a couple of small things. Yes. Go for it. Number one, now you can have two external displays when you close the laptop. Small detail. you can only do that with the laptop closed. Yeah. So yes, you can support now two external displays from the MacBook Air with the M3 chip, thanks to the better chip, but it doesn't do three.

10:18So you can't have the MacBook Air screen on and two displays at once. You have to have it closed, which means you can't use the keyboard and trackpad built in. I asked Apple, you can't. Oh, really? You can't use it open with the screen off. Nice. So you also need an external keyboard and trackpad or mouse or whatever to use this. But yes. Except that challenge. There's definitely a way. I remember Ellis found a way to like with one line of terminal code, like make your laptop not sleep or something like that. The problem was is that I still don't know if that would enable the keyboard and mouse though.

10:49So like I'm sure there's a way you could have the laptop open and the screen off with some code. But would the keyboard and trackpad still work? That's just two more lines of code. Turn back on. What if we just made our own computer? What if you just decapitate a MacBook Air? I was like the headless. Those are for the MacBook Pros, I think. They were like the headless ones. Someone did that for Vision Pro as well. It's going to come back for the Vision Pro. Doesn't it have to recognize the screen of it? No, just the chip. Because the Vision Pro... Oh, it just has to be close to it? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

11:22Cool. It's pretty impressive, actually. That's a great setup. Yeah. It's mirroring the screen, so it thinks the screen is on. Yeah. Yeah. Other change, they added an anodization thing to the midnight color, so it gets less fingerprints. So it's more like the midnight black M3 MacBook Pro. So less fingerprints on the midnight. And there's also Wi-Fi 6E. Wow. Nice. It's a riot. This is getting to the point where every time one of these gets released, it's just cool that you can get the previous version cheaper. Yeah. I always thought when the M2 came out that 1099 was like, it's kind of pricey for that laptop.

12:06And I think they want, like they still kept the M1 around for 999. But when you see the old design for 999 and then you see the new design sitting next to it, I think Apple. Big jump. Like Apple's big thing is, yeah, there's a base price, but you don't want the base price one. So the$999 entry point for a Mac for the Mac laptop MacBook Air would immediately be right next to the new design for$1099. So I always thought that one was a little overpriced. So now that that one's$999, I think that's great. I will also say the graphics update from M2 to M3 is fairly substantial. It is big. So for$100, I probably would go with the M3.

12:43Is it? It really will be all about what you're doing on the laptop. That's what I was going to say. If you're caring about that that much, are you looking at an Air or a Pro? well i mean if you have a 15 inch air that you just like mostly want to use for productivity but every now and then get a couple games of dota 2 in do you think it's worth the gpu advantage for a hundred dollars if you're gonna if you are actually going to do that once in a while yes yeah but some people will never do that that's true like some people get the laptop and they're like yeah this is the one that i do taxes on and like web browsing and emails and they're never going to try to do anything gpu intensive and they should get the 999 laptop and be fine it is like a like kind of a thousand dollars is still expensive despite being cheaper but if someone's willing to spend a thousand dollars that m2 macbook air just feels like the easiest laptop to recommend to someone who's not like a computer person to that relative that's like what laptop should i get and what you could do is you could get the m2 but upgrade it to the 512 gigabytes of storage for 200 so you're paying a little bit more than the baseline m3 but it's only a little bit but only when are we gonna talk about that yeah the ram it starts at eight gigs of ram and 256 gigs of storage my phone doesn't start at that i'm pretty sure that's a very galaxy i mean it's a thousand dollar phone but the s24 ultra has more ram and storage wait the phone's more expensive yeah that's that's also kind of wild complicated and there's been a lot of discourse around this because macbook memory because it's on chip is so freaking fast that swap memory is really really good and for a long period of time when the m1s first came out it was like you don't need anything above the base model because the swap memory is so good which is mostly true except for the fact that if you use swap memory a lot you're reading and writing to those cells way more and the longevity of your hard drive is going to go way down i honestly don't mind the argument for like lighter users yeah i just think 256 gigs of total storage from a lighter user could be pretty quickly filled up maybe if you have like a bunch of iCloud photos backing up i don't i don't know if you remember this but my sister had texted me and been like hey i just got a great deal on a mac mini the eight gigabyte mac mini and there was just a deal that came out where the uh like the 16 gig of ram version with 250 sorry the 256 gig of storage version or whatever the second tier storage version was like only 15 50 more than the base model for like a week and i was like oh you just bought it return it and buy the the double storage version for barely any more money and she was like no and i was like but it's 50 and she was like but i'm never gonna fill up 128 gigs and I was like how is that possible how is that possible some people just never fill up 128 gigs and you know what respect yeah no she's like all my photos are in the cloud I don't keep files on my computer at all I do everything in a web browser and I'm just like man Chromebook life literally yeah that is no that's totally fair but yeah there are people who are who will quickly fill it up yeah they'll download a movie they'll play one game they'll just blast through 250 60s storage they'll stream a movie yeah and uh i i don't know it's definitely a conversation i don't know if that's worth a whole video or whatever but it is fascinating because apple loves to push you up the price ladder with like yeah the baseline version is a nice tempting price but here's the next option the next one the next one's a good deal but if you get that one it's only a hundred dollars more to the next one it's the pie on the windowsill just like yeah yeah one terabyte this way but for 50 bucks more you can get the pro but now you're back to eight gigs you know start the ladder again yeah yeah anyway that is a remarkably low amount of ram and storage yeah it's never really clicked i was just gonna say when you made the comparison to your s24 ultra i was like yeah hold on then you're right that's 2a has is such a good segue god i'm killing it today with segue oh well quickly i just i have to be grateful that we are 256 gigs now and not 128 because it was 128 for a very long time and that is absurd and that's crazy continue the nothing phone 2a has 12 gigs of ram and 256 gigs of storage and it's 350 dollars wow what's your excuse apple i think the base model is 8 gigs in 128 oh yeah oh so this is the 400 504 400 something dollar either way it's not a thousand dollars so apple i'm been waiting for that response uh no this is nothing phone 2a it's their budget phone we've read this phone it came out this week it is i think in general a solid across the board budget phone for the price and there's a lot of you know i think budget phones are interesting, as I said in the video, because you always have to find the ways to impress the buyer, but then you spent money on that.

17:48So you have to find ways to save money and give them an overall package that's worth the price that will sell. And different budget phones have different ways of doing that. iPhone SE, very different philosophy from Pixel 7a, very different philosophy from Moto G, very different from Samsung A series. And I like this one. This is a pretty, actually i'll use that word it's a pretty phone a lot of people would disagree uh it's made of plastic it's a dimensity 7200 pro chip we were talking about this a couple weeks ago wondering how well it performed it's got nothing phone nothing os 2.5 uh dual cameras 5000 milliamp battery and it's a big phone and as i used it for the past week i really felt like this was comfortably like performing like the 700 nothing phone too really really impressed and if you don't play any like super hardcore games you will find the battery life is great the performance is smooth and the pictures suck but that's okay because i didn't buy it for the camera suck are we saying suck yeah they're not great they're like c minus c minus pictures well okay sometimes they're f because like i'll take photos that are i'll be walking like i have a shutter speed that i need to be a little bit faster and i'll take a low light photo and it's just a blurry disgusting mess i'm like well that's useless but sometimes it's pretty decent i can deal with that sorry i do think like i love that they kind of cheaped out on the cameras and made everything else baller i want more phones like that because i feel like all phone manufacturers at this point spend all the money on making the cameras like as high-end as good as possible good cameras i don't give a crap about my phone's camera quality well who does you like other cameras though yeah not everybody can carry both.

19:31You literally own like 13 cameras. So for you it's perfect. Yes. Do you want to use it? That phone? Yeah. I would use it. You'd ditch your iPhone? For a bit. When RCS comes out I will. Okay. You got RCS right here. But it doesn't support Glyph Composer. You mean the iPhone? Unfortunately it's weird. No 2A. Oh not yet. It's just buggy. Didn't work for me. Which is weird. That's fine. But yeah a lot of other things are awesome about it. Yeah, I'm just saying, like, if you want me to, I will. As soon as RCS drops, I'm switching back to an Android phone. David will never use that phone. You heard it here first.

20:07I will use it for at least 24 hours. The time is getting lower and lower throughout this conversation. For a bit for 24 hours. I will hold it in my hands. I'll probably get a foldable or a Zenfone 10 or something, yeah. Yeah, the Dimensity 7200 Pro was the big question mark for me going into this because I haven't used a phone with this chip yet. And I came straight from S24 Ultra into this phone. And a lot of times I have to calibrate a little longer when I go from a$1 ,000 phone to a$300 phone. This felt smooth and right at home. Like all the time. It was only stuttery like super, super early when you first fire up the phone and then smooth.

20:44So yeah. Nice. Good job, Nothing. Carl Pace says that the Mensa D7 D200 Pro is a bespoke chip that they worked with MediaTek on, right? Because it's not in, yeah, the Pro at the end of the name. Right. And he made it very clear that before anyone knew it was like, it is not the Dimensity 7200. Technically true. Technically true. The best kind of true. Kind of like how this phone does not run a Snapdragon 8 Gen 3. Because it's a Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 for Galaxy. Great. Branding. Love branding. It's like McDonald's Sprite. The same stuff, but just it's a little juicier. For real? everything at McDonald's hits harder it's because they have more syrup yeah at McDonald's they add just like a little bit more syrup in the Sprite fountain that's why McDonald's Coke well Coke too right everyone says a McDonald's Coke hits harder is Sprite not the meme?

21:38I thought it was Coke is this supposed to be common knowledge? probably not it's right next to it that their ice cream machines never work well they don't so you know though yeah yeah oh that's that's i think it's a i think it's a reasonable no no no no no readers digest march 4th 2022 let's trust that title here's why a sprite and mcdonald's taste so good okay i don't have enough spray i wrote mcdonald's coke in google first article there's a reason mcdonald's coke tastes better than all others sorry sugar is the answer to all of it look if i ran a restaurant chain you just gave me syrup and I can choose the ratios, I would try to optimize it.

22:20I would try to go hard. Yes. Going back to the phone. Yes. Sorry. No, I don't think anyone wants to care. You should start. I was just going to say, when we were first talking about renders, David and I were very into the renders. That's right. Seeing it in person, I'm less than impressed. It's weird. It looks really good when Brandon has it behind the camera. Other than that, can I see real quick? Everything looks good when Brandon has it behind the camera. very true very true it is very glossy in this and especially with the black version you can just see fingerprints i know people hate saying fingerprint magnet but dear lord it is i will say it's more it keeps fingerprints more than glass like this clear plastic i like that they leaned in because there's a lot of there's a lot of plastic phones at this price but i'll like wipe it off and i'll look at it and glass would normally be clean and this phone still has like these yeah like streaks on it so it doesn't clean as nice and i don't like the camera bump i thought the cameras were going to be like flush with it and instead it has just this weird kind of like dome with the two cameras by itself on this one really i think the camera bump is great no yeah i everyone hates it and i think it's perfectly good and this is what i want to say about well you're wrong but sorry this is what i want to say about the whole thing though is i if you can look past the like glossiness of it the design on the back is really cool unfortunately i'm nearsighted oh i can't look past it better i can see i think the design with all the wires and the glyphs and the circles are all really cool i think it looks better on the white i would like to see the white version we don't have a version in house and i really want to get i think the red looks like it pops way better on that and everything looks way more like you can see it easier because of the black glossy when this is at an angle you can't even see all the cool features you know what i think i think the white not only looks better in photos and videos i think you'd see less fingerprints i think i agree i think the white version nothing please send us a white line there's a really funny comment on our video that was like nothing marquez loves matt black we're gonna send him the black version he's gonna love this and then the first thing he says is like i think the white looks better some people put me in a box but you'd be surprised how many light mode apps i got going on i was just gonna say you are now switching everything to light fake almost almost everything i didn't i look I like dark mode.

24:39I like matte black things. But sometimes light mode hits pretty fast. Have you ever been under your covers before? I have. Light mode? Yeah. Under your cover? Okay. If I have the biggest problem with the iPhone 15 Pro is that the minimum brightness is too darn high. Really? Yes. Because now a lot of Android phones get so freaking dim. Also, my Nest Hub Mini, those things get so dim. It can be pitch black and you can be like, the screen is on. Yeah, they're incredible. That's because it's supposed to live next to your bed, right? I have to say my S24, I love it because when the lights are all out, it goes to the lowest brightness and I'm like, that's a little bright.

25:21And then you can take the automatic lowest brightness and just basically turn it off. And it's like super, super dim. And it's so nice, especially when Lane's sleeping like right at the other side. That's what makes it okay to have light mode at night because the screen actually gets dim. But if you're in light mode with a screen that doesn't get dim enough, light mode seems like the worst thing ever. So I get I totally get it. Yeah. Yeah. We work in a brightly lit studio. So like dark mode is actually sometimes fatiguing on the eyes. I was using I think it was Notion in dark mode of white text.

25:51It might have been Notion, but it might have been something else. But I was reading it and I looked away from my monitor after a while like that was unpleasant to read. Like I'm switching back to light mode. Wow. Just throwing it out there. Do you know what I learned recently? so I was in my gmail I have it in what I thought was dark mode and then I put in the like sidebar tasks like calendar and tasks and everything is white and then I tweeted about it and somebody said no you're not in dark mode you're just in a black theme it's not actually dark mode it's just a color theme so there isn't even a gmail dark mode I don't think oh really so that's why it's not or why people think it's not actually like matching the it should still match the theme i don't know how that's not true yeah but yeah it's just dark theme so they do call it dark theme though which is weird sorry oh yeah yeah right dark theme dark mode okay google fired that team the naming team and the tasks team apparently google tasks gets updated like once every five years with like two new features and it gets left alone again i just want to say okay quickly back to the phone yeah again how dare you there's a phone here wow um 349 i feel i had feelings about that price because when the pixel 4a came out the pixel 4a was the best 349 dollar phone that had ever come out in my opinion yes beautiful wonderful awesome plastic no wireless charging exact same freaking phone with the blue accent button don't forget yes the blue accent button was uh and the thing that made the pixel foray so good is that google software like the the pixel software is so good that like you didn't need a flagship chip when everything was all aie anyway the the voice to the text voice to text yes it's so good the like assistant stuff was so good the screen was a nice oled this is kind of the same situation yeah it's a nice modernized yeah yeah It's 120 hertz now.

27:51It's got thinner bezels and everything. Nothing OS 2.5 is very stylized and fast and fluid. You're just swapping the Pixel camera on a cheaper phone for a pretty back. That's true. Some lights. That's true. That's the main bad thing. Which I'm, again, I do like the design. I'm just upset about the gloss over top of it. That makes it harder to see. Yeah. And the camera bump sucks. Yeah. Totally fair. Yeah. Disagree. And the Pixel 4i was also tiny, which was nice. this is big agreed this is do you say this is bigger than the iphone 15 pro max it's this it's almost the size of the s24 ultra it's like a 6.7 inch screen yeah we could talk for years about the size of phones but we'll probably get to that eventually later uh we should take a quick break though because we got a bunch more to talk about before we do that let's do trivia there's a comment saying when are you going to get to the stop on the long pause and just go let's get a true video i like it's just like one word i will start doing that but i won't tell you when thanks yeah random comment thank you for that all right first question that ellis just beefed up with a nice little hint that i'll give you too samsung just soft launched the samsung ring but they've got some stiff competition mainly the aura ring what country is the aura ring company based in hint it's the same country that originally gave the world angry birds yeah poland why what about poland says angry birds it just feels right you know i just i remember the name of the company that made angry birds i recently played angry birds i'll tell you that no were you there for that no oh i just pulled up the galaxy s1 for our video on every phone and angry birds was installed because whoever we bought it from had angry birds on it and I played Angry Birds.

29:43The Galaxy S2 had this app where you could load up guns and point the camera at people and shoot people and blood would come out. That was also the S1. Was it the S1 or S2? Unironically, I heard that the Angry Birds movie and the Angry Birds 2 movie, actually I heard that the second one was better, went pretty hard. So you're pumped for three? They probably heard it. If you had to pick a movie, Angry Birds 2 or Dune 2, what would you pick? I haven't seen Dune 1 and I think Angry Birds 2 would make more sense than Dune 2. Agreed. Yeah. Well, the answer's at the end and we'll be right back.

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31:47Both of them very premium, all-wheel drive electric vehicles with this adventure theme. And if you remember during that interview, RJ actually snuck in a mention of R2 coming soon, which is their next generation platform. We have a smaller set of products, creatively we call R2, R3. but they move into different form factors, obviously different sizes. And the goal of those is to continue to take the essence of what we've done here in terms of, you know, configure gear, your kids, your pets, do it in a really sort of refined and fun way, but in different packages and smaller form factors. And that's what I just got to see.

32:26They had an event today, they revealed the new R2, which is just one vehicle, and it's an SUV that is a slightly smaller, slightly cheaper, slightly less capable, but still very Rivian electric SUV. There's a bunch of different trims, but the idea is it starts at$45 ,000. It has a single, dual, or triple motor trim. It's smaller in every dimension to the R1S. I think it's most similar to like a Model Y. It's two rows now, and it looks very much the same as you'd expect. It's got the same face, the same taillights. Oh, and by the way, they also had a one more thing, which was R3 and R3X, which is even further down the line.

33:07So R2 is 2026 and R3 is some unknown time after that with an even cheaper, even smaller, but possibly even sportier combo vehicles. So I'm curious what your guys' reactions are for these. Cool. So that was Marquez out in California. He's not here right now because he got to see it a little ahead of time. But that's the R2 and the R3 and the R3X, apparently. Way more than what we were expecting. But I know we've been excited about R2 for a long time. Yeah, I've been excited about R3 for a long time. Yeah, you've been excited for R3 before R3 is a thing. Yes. You're a hipster R3-er. I'm always a hipster, baby.

33:45Let's go. That's my thing. I like to see it. But yeah, R2 specs I'm super interested in. And we kind of have some of them here. uh what we do know is that it starts at 45 000 there will be a single a dual and a triple motor version um nacs charging which is on the back right now instead of the front left i believe which sounds is that where tesla's is or tesla's back left tesla's is back right is it back left yeah you back left i don't know man but i mean i think don't you own a tesla Yeah, but remember when you're like in a gas car and you look at your speedometer and it shows the sun? It's because I still can't remember.

34:27I still have to remember. So this is also coming out in 2026. So by that time, hopefully the Tesla charging thing will be not to like park in the opposite spot. By that time New York is going to be underwater. I need our boat, please, Rivian. Come on. There will be a triple motor version that's 0 to 16 under 3 seconds. no more storage under the seats two glove boxes checkmate fisker um still has a flashlight in the door no bluetooth speaker power opening front trunk but not power closing by the way when he when he says no bluetooth speaker he doesn't mean no bluetooth speakers in the car he means the rivian r1 and r1t and r1s have this like camping speaker that's like under the center console it's very cool that you can take with you clarification yeah yeah very good clarification that would have been hilarious like of course it has bluetooth yeah um but i do think that's like one of the things rj said a while ago is that it should still have the feel of what everyone loved from rivian and i would argue the bluetooth speaker is one of those things so i think most people would assume it's in there i'm totally fine with it not being in there i'm much more happy that there's a front trunk that was something i was worried about i'm much more happy about having a flashlight yeah i think that they included all of these small things that are sort of like getting people excited about the brand and making it feel like the brand actually has like an identity and a soul yeah right like you can do these really really small things like i'm sure those bluetooth speakers even though they're like bespoke probably cost them like 30 a unit yeah the flashlights probably cost them like three dollars a unit it probably costs more for the flashlight to be fitted into the door than it does for the actual flashlight i mean maybe you design it to spec and you make a million of them yeah but yeah it's it's kind of interesting to me i kind of agree that it's that seems like a very low cost thing that they're cutting um and it seems like something they should keep on all the cars just to keep the like vibe agreed i wonder if the speaker at least the exact speaker since this is a bit shorter than the actual than the r1s and r1t um like i wonder what that console inside is really looking like and maybe there's just not enough space to fit in there although you obviously could make a smaller speaker but that's another product another SKU number they need which is annoying and whatever I don't need the bluetooth speaker all of us have a bluetooth speaker at this point that we could just bring by ourselves true um a couple other cool things though that Marquez seemed pretty pumped about was this new steering wheel he it has like these two big buttons they're like wheels almost but like vertical wheels the Tesla ones are the same way and he said but he said the like haptics on it are fantastic and that like that's a great way to be able to tell what you're doing without having to look at the screen and figuring all that out.

37:09I just want to say out of the past, I don't even know how many cars, I feel like that's the most excited I've heard him talk about a car feature. He was very much like it's like a PS5 controller. That's a really good point. What's cooler? But are there wheels on a PS5 controller or does he just mean the haptic? He's talking about the haptics of the controller, how they added that like... The pressure sensitive thing. Yeah, exactly. That's cool. That's kind of cool. I'm kind of whatever on it. but um the back glass rolls all the way down that's really cool um oh yeah there's the vent vented sides yes yeah great yeah i'm i feel like there's probably people with an r1s that are probably like i wish it had the event it's so the back windows that are kind of behind they would be where the third row is although this is only a two row they flare out yeah which is like nice to get some airflow in but also without having the like windows down yeah destroying your range and also like making it impossible to hear anything.

38:07Yeah, and then the back glass goes down so that you don't have to open the full trunk. So you can either like open the whole trunk, put all your stuff in or put the back glass down and then just slide things in. Yeah, and I do believe the R1S had the glass window would go up so you could do half and half like that, but scrolling down is cooler and now isn't a thing above you that feels more like easily to break it. Yeah, it's always interesting when you release the cheaper products many years later because you can like add new features and you're like but i want that in my r1 but i could see maybe r1 refresh at some time including some of these things they'll do that they'll put the nacs port in there yeah like a quality of life update that's a really good point by the time they do nacs port i wonder if they add a couple of these small things onto it i would guess they'll probably do a refresh yeah yeah but um yeah it's so it sounds like the 45 000 base the 45 000 base version is around 260 miles of range it's single motor but there are going to be higher trims with over 300 miles of range and double triple motor yeah i'm most interested but we don't know like what the prices for those are no no i'm yeah i'm really hoping 50 to 55 can give me dual motor 320 miles of range that would be either way because it's not going to be out i'm reserving this the absolute millisecond it comes out yeah i think this looks really cool which by the time this podcast has been out uh you have already reserved i have already reserved it yeah i just want to i would like to go through the pre-order qualifications that you said you wanted sure so first you said it needs to be dual motor they have a dual motor so it has dual motor and you're saying if it's 50 to 55 you would pre-order If it's 60, I'll still do it.

39:52Okay. Yeah. You need 200 miles of range minimum. I said 200? I mean 280, 280, sorry. Oh, well, dual motor would be 280. Well, we don't know exactly. Oh, it definitely will be. They said 300 or higher. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, he said the dual and triple motor have the bigger battery. Yeah. That's over 300. We'll see. Sometimes adding the other motor takes range away, so I'm hoping it doesn't take too much range away, but we don't know how big the bigger battery is, so I'm hoping it would still be around 320 with a dual motor. And then you said under 60K, which that's your limit. Seems like that's good.

40:23If it is 60, you will also pre-order. If it is like a clean 60. It's hitting everything else. So that's why I think I sold it. Boxy, not slanted, or a crossover hatchback. So, yes, that is still it. I looked at the dimensions of it. I don't have them right in front of me, but I can pull them up. It is slightly shorter in terms of height than the Forester by about an inch or two. but it is slightly longer in terms of length than the Forester so it's almost like between an Outback and a Forester I guess the one thing I'm most worried about and the reason I picked a Forester over an Outback is when I'm sitting I like my legs to be almost like 90 degrees like I'm sitting in a chair rather than a lot of cars you sit in are almost like a cockpit where your legs kind of go straight out oh yeah and sitting in an Outback it's like that since it originated as a station wagon that is the difference between the Model 3 and the Model Y too exactly in the 3 you're kind of like sitting like that.

41:19Oh, I did not know that. Yeah, it's like more like a cockpit. And then the Y, the chair is raised a lot higher up. And as someone with four knee surgeries, I like to just sit up all the way. That makes sense. I rented a Model Y when I was in LA a few months ago and it was really disorienting. Really? I was not used to sitting that high up. Just because of how much different it was? Yeah. And your last qualification was, it needs to have a frunk. It does. I was very worried they would take that away because frunks don't seem to be a default thing with an EV, which I kind of thought they would. Agreed.