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13:08Marques Brownlee:65 kilowatt hour battery getting 205 miles is actually almost 40 more miles than they originally were promising they're they're going to be somewhere like 160 miles of range or something so 200 plus but now they're not offering the 240 right so they're all now down to one drivetrain option yeah there's talks of like maybe an all-wheel drive version of the future they wouldn't tell me that that's real so it's just this one just real wheel drive 200 miles range and it's actually pretty zippy i'm not gonna lie really i mean you don't think about like zero to 60 in eight point seconds as a quote fast vehicle but it's electric it's all the torque all the time and so you kind of zip around like a golf cart.

13:43Marques Brownlee:It's fine. 205 miles seems kind of low. It is. It's also the cheapest truck in America. So it is like, okay, how much are you going to drive if you're doing the fleet thing? Are you driving around a neighborhood? Do you put 200 miles on it in a day? Probably not. This would make sense for like my dad who's like a carpenter because he only really does work like locally. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

14:05David Imel:Yeah, you're not road tripping with this. No. And like 200 miles in a day is a pretty solid amount. Yeah. I think most Europeans would be like, you guys are insane. If you think you're driving 200 miles. You drove across the country? Most Europeans are like, what the hell is a mile? What's a truck? Yeah, 300 kilometers. Lots of questions for these people. I'm interested in the, so like everyone's like, they did it. They did$25 ,000. Yeah. There's even a, and they're like responding to it. There's a comment on YouTube that said, massive respect for the team for the base price. They said, we said it, we meant it.

14:39David Imel:it's something I'm intrigued to see where it goes because they haven't fully built the factory out to produce these yet, right? Yeah. So we're a while away from seeing them. Correct. This is what I was going to say. Prices are fluctuating all the time. The Rivian has changed. Before that came out, the price changed like three times. It changed and they tried to make everyone with reservations pay the new price and they got a ton of backlash and had to do that. So this has the interesting thought though of, can they keep the base 25 even if prices change but then change the prices to all of the accessories in there and make up some margins on that because yeah i'm i'm still super intrigued how many people are going to buy this at 25 base base and how many people are going to buy this at 30 to 40 with yeah or more things they basically consider necessity to be fair like building out a car that has all the necessities but it gets to be spec'd exactly how you want it gets to look exactly how you want.

15:36Like it's the Lego of trucks. I think that's kind of cool. Yeah, Project Orr. I do feel like a lot of people like David's dad are going to just order this base thing. Like I know people that have small businesses they're like, I don't care about if it has power windows or friggin... My dad's truck still has can crank. They just drive around and they build this is the cheapest truck in America

15:57David Imel:right now. Even more so. They don't have to care for their employees who are all driving it also. It's like, that's true. Not my problem. I don't need AC. Just play the radio off your phone.

16:06Marques Brownlee:It does have AC. I do think it's a really good point that they don't have a finished factory. These are not actively being manufactured yet. So this is all technically TBD, which always makes me nervous with EVs. But they're saying they're going to ship it this year. So in a couple months, in quarter four, they want to ship this.

16:25David Imel:They don't have a factory. Well, they have a factory that's almost,

16:28Marques Brownlee:they have a factory that has built the trucks that I've seen and driven, but these are like finishing prototyping like almost done and when they start to roll them off in quarter four that'll be like final we'll see so they're tooling they're finishing building the factory and they have the space they just need to get over that hump and actually ship the thing so that's the tbd that's the big asterisk there is a tweet here from uh speed sport life someone who's in the maker of the of the slate truck who has seen basically some of the prices of the modules so the the wraps for example they start at 500 for a full vinyl wrap of certain like base colors they'll go up to more expensive like 1500 1600 for a wrap but that is just materials you do the installation yourself that's why we were trying to figure out why it felt cheap so then i go to the next page uh there are the integrated speakers so you can get the front left and front right for $150 and you can get the center channel for$250 more.

17:28Marques Brownlee:So there are no speakers by default. No speakers by default. So, you know,$200. I mean, that's a big expensive Bluetooth speaker. I guess that's about inline. Does the wrap come with like a D-brand kind of thing that you put over the car and just instantly rip it off? It is. Obviously, it'll be pre-cut. I imagine the hard part is actually installing it, like just getting it off the off the paper and like sticking it on the truck is i mean you can give it to a professional or you can do it yourself depends on how good of a job you want it to be yeah uh it's a big task if you have to bring it to a professional already i would just bring it to a professional and get the wrap there and not deal with well they're going to charge you for the materials that they buy and the labor yeah but so if you provide the materials that's that's way less that you're

18:14David Imel:paying i don't know the breakdown of what's materials versus labor but i always i assumed a wrap place, most of that was labor?

18:23Marques Brownlee:Probably most of it is labor, but you still do, they go out and acquire and source materials for you. And so they have to upcharge you for that as well. So yeah, it's at least cheaper to, but I imagine a lot of people will try to do it themselves here. There's also a page here for the truck lining. You can get a more durable, versatile truck lining, $750 if you plan on. What is a lining? It says, yeah, bed liner. one bed boss structural bed floor with integrated tie downs installs without drilling five feet by five feet yeah I want my tie downs

18:57David Imel:to be installed without drilling I think the bed

18:59Marques Brownlee:the bed liner is installed without drilling and then you tie things down to the bed liner

19:04David Imel:that's installed without drilling yep yeah that sounds scary I know I'm just missing something but that sounds there are latches can I ask a question about this truck that I'm confused about and I would go to Europe for two weeks and now we hate trucks look ellis has always hated trucks i also want to say when i was in wales one of the most beautiful places i've ever been in my life shocking amount of trucks i had always heard that it was very hard to get and they none of them had like f-150 sized beds but they had crew cabs and were sizable vehicles and i was like i was always told that these were not here and there they were.

19:42Thank you, Wills. How do you wire this truck in a factory? That's what I'm really confused about. For example, I understand the idea of power windows optional, right? Because those are motors that you have to put in and install. That's great. But is the wiring already going through the whole system? Or it's the same thing with the speakers. It's like, I understand in theory that you could put in and take out speakers, but does the, is there an amp? Are they active speakers? The amp is in the speakers and then you just run power to them. How does the audio signal get, is it wireless? And it's like, part of it makes me wonder like if there are things in this car that are actually cheaper for them to put in because they have to already run the wiring all through the vehicle in the factory.

20:30Marques Brownlee:Or there's obviously something I'm missing here. I was told, so I was told that there are pins and there is wiring, preexisting wiring for power and data in certain places. So, for example, one of the speakers is a small JBL Bluetooth speaker. Right, I saw that. And all it needs is power. So you buy, it's already wired for power to the pins, and if you get that accessory, you pop it onto that pin, and then everything else for the speaker is in that speaker that you bought. Interesting. I think some other accessories are requiring pins that are, again, in certain locations that have data and power running to them already.

21:01Interesting.

21:01Marques Brownlee:There is no screen option. There's just like the screen behind the steering wheel, which is your speed, your range and your odometer and basic stuff, your reverse camera. And so they don't like have wiring for display or anything else of that sort. You just get a mount for either a phone or an iPad. Pricing this thing from the business's perspective must have been such an interesting challenge because you don't want to make the blank slate too expensive. But at the same time, it does feel like at a certain point you may have to charge people for things that they won't use, i.e. the wire running through the frame.

21:33And I don't know how expensive it is to run wiring through a car frame.

21:37Marques Brownlee:That could be like a non-factor. I think in Mass, the goal, I mean, they've preached about how many pre-orders they have and how much volume they want to do. I think the goal is likely just that the bigger your scale, the lower the cost of that incremental wiring. And so you can still sell something cheaper if they don't use it. Having one SKU and making a zillion of them is always cheaper. Well, not always, but generally cheaper than having multiple SKUs and making less of each of them. Shout out to the industrial engineers at Slate because these are tricky, interesting, thinky problems that would make my brain hurt.

22:13Marques Brownlee:And the final product.

22:15David Imel:God, it's so good to have you back.

22:16Marques Brownlee:the final product I think is pretty cool do you guys think the aesthetics are I like it I think they're kind of nice yeah there are definitely people who think it's ugly as well I like the Bronco looking like I think it looks kind of I think

22:28David Imel:some of the yeah the like the top off back seats like old Bronco roll cage kind of thing is sick I think this is also cool because like there are lots of people who don't want a truck as their daily driver but want something with a bed like yeah my brother-in-law has like a little a 1992 f-150 that like only half the gas tank fills up and that's because like once every month he needs to like like pick some crap up and like move it around and like it just rots pretty much so like yeah having something that's really cheap as a base and who cares like that might be the thing i go pick up that crap on facebook marketplace with or yeah get the dryer from home depot and bring it home like it's obviously bigger than like a Japanese K-Truck, K-Truck, however you pronounce it.

23:17Marques Brownlee:But at least it's smaller than like a Rivian. You know what I mean? Yeah. What's funny is the length of the bed is the same as the Rivian. So it's like a five foot long bed. But the front is shorter. It is narrower. Because the truck is narrower.

23:30David Imel:You know what's funny about this? When they launched it, or not launched because it hasn't launched yet. When they announced it, I was super excited for it. And then the more time that went by, I was like, I don't know. Like, I don't know if they're going to be able to hit the price. I still don't know. We still don't know, but now that it's like a thing, you went and you saw the car, I feel like they might do it.

23:49Marques Brownlee:They had that price up there in like shiny numbers. They put lights on that price. They were like, it is definitely 25 grand. We've seen that before.

23:57David Imel:Yeah, I was going to say, I like trying not to be biased. I think it's really sick. I mean, I'm not going to go spend$25 ,000 on a secondary car. I ain't that kind of guy. You already got an R2 on order, right? I think this is really cool. $40 ,000. I'm going to be extremely skeptical of this because how many trucks have we seen that are coming out end of this year for the last five years?

24:18Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I feel like there's like stages of how close to release are you? And we've seen lots and lots and lots of cool ideas. Everyone from Faraday Future to the Telo truck to the Aptera to this have all gotten to the stage of showing it to us and even letting us drive it. And that's it. They never actually ship one and sell one. so I am my fingers are crossed I like the idea I'm rooting for it just like I'm rooting for a lot of the others but it is true that we've seen many get this far and not make it having been through the 13 years of drama with my Streetly Manifesto album getting delayed I didn't bring it up this time these things are not out until they're out so we'll see paperware until shipped exactly but didn't it come halfway out came halfway out yesterday halfway out

25:04David Imel:I thought it was only two songs it's two more songs they released three demos a year ago they mixed the demos finally and then they released two more songs so now there are five songs out but it's half of the album and it's half so it's not out unless it's out

25:21Marques Brownlee:so that's more out than like the Roadster it's like yeah for sure it's more out than not out but it's not and they're bangers to be clear only which gives you hope that the rest will be good the rest is gonna be a grace from God I guarantee you it's like playing I don't know if there's a good analogy it's like if the Roadster's seat came out and you could buy it and sit in it more than the seat I would say

25:48David Imel:didn't you say there's all four wheels on it the car needs to work in order to drive it whereas half of a Streetly Manifesto album

25:54Marques Brownlee:is still part of a Streetly Manifesto it would be like if the Roadster came out but it only had a fraction of the battery and one of the motors worked isn't that half and it could only turn right Yes. That's how I feel right now. It's still great. I'm still happy. Yeah. But it's not out until it's fully out. Because it's been... Blending albums in tech terms. In cartoons. It's been delayed for 13 years, Marquez.

26:19David Imel:Is there a conspiracy that it's... I was a wee child. ...going to be on the GTA 6 radio, so it can't come out until GTA 6 comes out? Exactly. It won't be out until November. Yeah. Speaking of GTA. Speaking of GTA. We got a price. $80, which is less... There have been a lot of bets, by the way, about whether or not GTA would be over$100 because they've been working on it for so long. It's a million-dollar development. You can't afford this. Yeah. I'm sorry. If you're a gamer, you cannot afford this. I'm sorry.

26:51Anyway, there's a deluxe edition that's$100. Okay. What is it? Whether, well, I assume it just comes with extra digital assets or something.

27:01David Imel:It delays it six more weeks. It delays it. It pre-purchases microtransactions. I'm sure there will still be DLC on top of the Deluxe Edition because they gotta juice it. But yeah, I mean, they say that it is now coming out in November. If you buy the... GTA? Yeah, GTA. Wow. Yeah, they say. Apparently, according to this Reddit comment, so take it as you will, there's a bunch of in-game stores and vehicle mod shops that are locked unless you have the Ultimate Edition. That is dumb. That is so dumb.

27:32Marques Brownlee:Come on, it's GTA. The whole point is... I'm so tired. Wait, can you comment, so I'm not sure.

27:36David Imel:If it was real GTA, you could steal from GTA? Yeah. That's right. Just hold the gun up to the DLC? That's crazy.

27:44Marques Brownlee:This is not too different from the Slate Truck, is all I'm saying. No, the Slate Truck is... I think it's a big difference. In the Slate Truck, you can add any accessory at any time, at any point after you buy it. Yeah. But it sounds like with GTA, there will be parts that are locked out if you start at the wrong base gear. I almost guarantee you they'll allow you to upgrade to the Ultimate Edition for an extra $20 to$30. They'll just charge you more. They might charge you even more just to make you want to buy the Ultimate Edition up front. Fair enough. Yeah. So people are excited for that. I personally don't care at all because I've never played a GTA game, but I'm excited for all you people.

28:19Marques Brownlee:It's funny. I also have never played a GTA game, but I'm really looking forward to it as well. Oh, you're looking forward? Really? Are you going to play it? Yeah, I'm going to play it. Oh, wow. It seems like a fun game. We need your review. Only from trailers.

28:29David Imel:Only from trailers. Wait, you do know you could play the other ones while you wait. Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

28:35Marques Brownlee:GTA 5 can play on your freaking refrigerator. Yeah, GTA 5's been out for so long, but I... It's almost like backyard baseball where it's like I could either... If I start getting my fix now, I'm going to be waiting for GTA even more on the seat of my pants. So I'm just going to wait. I'm just going to not play GTA until 6 comes out and then have a good time.

28:52David Imel:That's right.

28:53Marques Brownlee:It'll be fun.

28:53David Imel:I'm excited for it because when the first one came out, my now brother-in-law played it for so long that he was in college and his car got stolen. But he didn't know it was stolen because he was playing the game for like three days straight. And then went out and was like, where's my car? He got Grand Theft Auto. He got Grand Theft Auto. So now I want to see if this is going to be a pattern. That's literally it. If somehow it will get stolen again.

29:21Marques Brownlee:Your Grand Theft Auto. Your Grand Theft Auto. There are many people trying to take an entire week off work for this game. Wow. Yeah. I can confirm, according to this article from Radio Times, the Reddit comment was correct. About what? There will be certain things that are locked away, unless you get the Ultimate Edition. Like certain locations in-game.

29:39David Imel:Locations? Locations? Vehicle mod shops, classic car collections, certain vehicles. I think they wanted to charge$100, but they were like, we can make it technically not$100. if we do this. This is freaking Grand Theft Fortnite over here. Like, what's this? My thing is, I don't care about stylists or like, visual skins costing us your money when the game's free. Fortnite is free. Yeah. Let them charge for things that are not competitive advantage. Dota, League of Legends, Valorant. Yeah. If you charge$80 and then they're like, you have to pay more money for skins?

30:17Marques Brownlee:Or locations. That seems crazy. Like your friends go to a new location and you can't go because you bought the base version.

30:22David Imel:Yeah, if you think we're making fun of Android people in the US, wait till we make fun of the regular GTA. The$80 GTA people. Sorry, Stevie, you can't hang out with us. We're going to the deluxe edition. This game is$100. Like nobody, I don't know. I don't think anyone's going to pay the$80. I think they just did it because they knew they'd get a lot of backlash if it was$100. Listen, Super Mario was like$80, wasn't it? GTA can charge whatever they want. I think Donkey. No. It was Mario Kart. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mario Kart World was$80. Yeah, this is true. Worth it. $80, especially with this much anticipation, I think, is probably...

31:03I'm honestly shocked that it's not more.

31:07David Imel:I'm unfortunately shocked that it's not more. It's fairly standard pricing. It's expensive as hell. I think it could have been$100 and it was

31:15Marques Brownlee:100%. NBA 2K comes out like every year and it's always$80. Sometimes it's$100. Yeah, and there's like premium versions that are$100 plus. Yeah. And they make the graphics like 1 % better. Not even 1 % better. It used to be like a big difference, like between 13, 14, and 15. It's like, oh, okay, I can see that the animations are smoother. Now the difference between like the second two. Well, the roster update is a software update over the air, so you don't even need the roster update. It's literally like a new game mode, better, like smoother animations and controls. and in the name of realism that's like kind of cool but it's stopped improving at such a rate that it would justify like buying a$100 game every year.

31:52Marques Brownlee:So I think the last one I bought was $22 maybe? Oh wow. Are you still playing that?

31:58David Imel:Wow. You don't even know Ball. Nice.

32:00Marques Brownlee:Well I have the new rosters it just goes to the new the old game. Oh. So I just yeah whatever the game is. I'm surprised they even like push it to the old game and not just like forcing you to buy it. Which is pretty important. Yes I am surprised. I also haven't purchased the 2K on launch in a while. I always wait for it to go on sale now. Yeah. Yeah. And I always buy the base one. We need basketball to get really, really popular in Europe so that the EU puts a stop to this match. They're the only ones that can stop the 2K people. Only EU can stop EA. No, it's actually, it's not actually EA. It's Take-Two is the publisher.

32:32David Imel:Can we just pretend it's EA because that sounded funny?

32:34Marques Brownlee:Well, it's funnier because they also do GTA. So it's the same. GTA. Nice. Yes. Speaking of pricing. Yeah. We got another device announcement, another tech announcement. It's a new nothing phone. Nothing phone for B. Oh, okay. Interesting. So we had the nothing phone for A. What's the nothing phone for B, you may be wondering? Well, it's perfect because somebody who works for nothing on Twitter was able to explain very clearly what it is. He says, this is from Acus Evangelides. What does the B stand for? Nothing. It's simply a continuation of our naming system. Numbers represent generations, while letters indicate different product segments.

33:19Marques Brownlee:No way. So the A series has been our best-selling smartphone line, bringing the best of nothing's design innovation while focusing on features that matter most. The B series builds on the success of the A series by expanding into a new segment while maintaining a clear product hierarchy. The A series remains our most premium line below our flagship products, which don't carry a letter designation. This avoids overusing suffixes and provides a clearer naming structure as the portfolio expands. Hope this is clear. How to say nothing by saying a lot of words. I don't know what that means at all. It means it's cheaper.

33:58It's cheaper.

33:59Marques Brownlee:This is marketing speak for, I don't want to say the word cheaper, but I want to effectively communicate that this is just a different price tier in the same product line.

34:10David Imel:Yeah.

34:11Marques Brownlee:Cheaper.

34:12David Imel:This guy's never posted anything worthwhile on Twitter.

34:16Marques Brownlee:It's marketing.

34:17David Imel:It's just marketing. It's insane marketing because what's funny is he's right. This naming scheme makes perfect sense. Yeah, it's a good name. It's arguably the best naming scheme out of maybe anything because it's not confusing. Yeah. it makes sense but like oh my god this is a convoluted tweet yeah it's a lot of words to

34:34Marques Brownlee:say very little yeah so the yeah when i reviewed the the last phones from nothing i made the point that they kind of can't make a flagship phone at this point because they don't have high enough volume they don't sell enough phones to like get the low enough part prices to actually make money on a flagship phone or even compete against the samsungs of the world so they just don't do it But this is maybe more proof of me being right because they add to their lineup in the opposite direction and make probably a compellingly priced phone. I haven't actually learned much else about the phone. I don't know anything about it yet.

35:08Marques Brownlee:But yeah, I agree with my old take that they are not planning to make a flagship phone. Something we do know is that they're canceling the nothing phone 3A, 4A Pro? 4A Pro? They're canceling, sorry, not nothing phone, the CMF phone. Yeah. Okay, 3A Pro. 3A Pro. They're canceling. Yeah. And this is just my theory. The theory that the reason they're making the nothing phone 3B. 4B. 4B. I'm good at this. Is that they said the reason they were canceling the CMF phone was because the RAM would have been half the price of the phone. And they just cannot make it at that price. So now the nothing phones have always been more expensive than the CMF phones, right?

35:53So if you make a cheaper nothing phone, you're basically hitting the price tier where it's barely marginally able. You're able to make a phone at that price, whereas a CMF phone could not do that. So my theory is that they're just making it under the nothing moniker because nothing kind of demands the higher price than CMF. Makes sense. Which we've been over this multiple times. Nothing was supposed to be the budget brand and then CMF was the budget budget brand and then nothing has the budget phones from nothing. And now there's the budget budget budget.

36:22Marques Brownlee:because nothing had flagships and they had the A series which is the budget of the budget but not to budget because that would be CMF. So like the budget of the budget but not the budget of the budget. Yes, yes. Yeah, exactly. And now they've got the B series which is the budget of the budget. B is clearly for budget. No, no, no. But not CMF which is the budget of the budget.

36:38David Imel:No, the A series is the most premium line below their flagship. That is the greatest line in history. When you're not allowed to say cheaper

36:47Marques Brownlee:that's what you end up saying. It's our best below our best. Are you getting it? Yeah. That's me when I haven't taken care of myself in a while. I'm the best I've ever been except for when I'm at my best. It's funny too because

37:04David Imel:if you haven't had me at my best, you don't deserve me at my best.

37:12David Imel:Nothing could use the word cheap better than any other company out there because nothing's fandom appreciates a budget. Yeah. Which is so funny. Just say like... This s*** cheaper is a banger tweet.

37:25Marques Brownlee:I'm guessing they have like a rule book where they're not allowed to say cheap, budget, or even acknowledge less expensive. Because other people have a different definition of what that means. Yeah. And I think that even nothing, making a cheaper nothing phone, a lot of people are going to still think it's too expensive. Very competitive markets. So we'll see. I mean, no CMF phone. I guess we'll probably get one eventually once OpenAI collapses as a company. You know? What makes you think that's going to happen? Maybe Sam Altman will carry all the RAM over to nothing at some point and be like, here you go.

38:02We're not a company anymore.

38:03David Imel:I don't need this anymore. Yeah, I don't need this anymore. He's going to put it on Facebook Marketplace. All right, I got one last quick little thing before I take the break. Just very excited about RCS as usual. Very good. rich communication services. iOS 27 beta 2 just dropped yesterday. Hell yeah. Or maybe two days ago. I don't remember. Two days ago. It did fix a lot of the bugs that I had in iOS in the beta 1, which is good. But one thing that they added, which is very exciting, is that they upgraded to RCS 2.7. Not fully yet. They added a couple of features with it. But part of the RCS 2.7 standard is the ability to edit and unsend messages.

38:47Marques Brownlee:So now, yeah, I know. Are you thinking what I'm thinking? I'm thinking the European Union is on my side today. Oh my God. I'm sticking with Android, baby. So yeah, now you'll be, when you're using RCS with Android phones, you'll be able to edit and unsend messages. Brings it a lot closer to the feature parity with iMessage that everyone wants. obviously you know you're not going to have the iMessage integrations like Apple Cash and stuff like that but we are very close to the color being the only major differentiating factor which I think will still matter to people unfortunately how the hell am I supposed to split my receipt bills I know as soon as I asked Siri to do stuff exactly so yeah that's exciting RCS is getting better I'm very excited about that I'm looking forward to whatever the next thing is they bolt onto the side of iMessage that will not make it through RCS yeah because right now it's the color obviously but it's like the stickers yeah apple cash whatever whatever games people play in i message genmoji games they're they're in there there's some games in there there are some games in there but yeah i don't know if people use them but we're getting closer i right now rcs still only works for me like half the time it like randomly breaks and sends us as sms you don't even want to so far you've messaged me on whatsapp like are you getting my texts.

40:06You don't even want to see Adam and I's messages. Half of them is just like not sent, not sent, not sent. It's depressing. But one day we'll be in our protocol heaven.

40:15David Imel:I literally can't communicate right now, but one day it will all be better. That sounds like a him problem. Because you change phones every five seconds.

40:24Marques Brownlee:That's true. Oh wait, aren't you using a phone that doesn't have like half the bands in the US? No, no, I didn't switch. I wanted to. I don't need Oppo anymore. What do you want right now? Still my S26 Ultra. I was trying the oppo, but then I was like five minutes from fully switching over the Google Fi Sim and everything. And I was like, maybe this isn't a good weekend to do this. I had a very busy weekend. Yeah, that's fair. Let me wait. I would advise not to do that if you have a lot of communication needs. Yeah. All right. Well, after the break, we're going to talk about probably the most controversial thing we've ever talked about on this podcast.

40:57And I think no matter what we say, we're going to get canceled. So get excited. Buckle up. Buckle up. Oh, I forgot about that. I forgot there was trivia on this show. All right, trivia, and I'm back. Yes. With the six-pack. Real Ellis trivia in the house. Marquez, I'm glad to hear that you said you are going to be sticking with Android, because today's first question is for the Android sickos in the room. Okay?

41:21Marques Brownlee:It's me. The Android sicko. Exactly. So we all know, prior to Android 10, they were all desserts. They weren't just desserts. They were desserts in alphabetical order. after Android 10 they switched to numbers however the internal code names for the dessert for the operating systems stayed as desserts okay now keep going keep going we're all on the same page here we are we are yeah I may have said this exact word in the video go ahead keep going keep going which Android version's number was the one where they reset the alphabet I got you I got you

42:01David Imel:Someone didn't listen to last week's episode No, I was in Wales I was listening to the beautiful buying of sheep next to my bed We had this question last week Not quite, very similar to the led us to a conversation It is possible to get this wrong I probably still will get this wrong Even though I just re-listened to us all talking about it You're saying which is the one where they reset the alphabet

42:26Marques Brownlee:As we know, they got to Android Q and then they kept going with the code names. Those code names at some point reset the alphabet.

42:35David Imel:By the way. By the way. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Ellis does not know about this part. Can I tell the story? What were you going to say? Can I tell the story? Go ahead. Okay. This is partially my fault. How the hell did you spell it? The dunk on David. We were talking about the letters and David guessed the dessert was tiramisu. And I think it would have been out there, but then I said, David, how'd you spell that? And correct me if I'm wrong. I believe it was T-I-E-R-R-I-S-I-E-U. I don't know. And then he said, and I was like, how'd you spell that? He's like, tiramisu is 100 % French. And that was probably 20 % of our comments last week.

43:16David Imel:Does it not sound like a French word? I'll give it to you. It kind of does. Yeah. It sounds French to me. I got a lot of people tweeting at me saying, it's Italian. It was so intense that I got people tweeting and commenting at me saying, You call yourself Italian, but you didn't tell him that it's definitely Italian. So I got. Should I make the question harder? Do you know what the dessert, the first dessert is when they reset it? Sure. Yeah. We have like bonus points or whatever. All right. All right. Two points. It's going to be so funny when we get it all wrong. So which, which one reset it?

43:51What number? And what was that one's internal code name? What number? Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. I was amongst.

43:57David Imel:No, that's okay. The sheep. How dare you, bud?

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45:35David Imel:All right. Welcome back to a little section we like to call people who say they're gamers that aren't really gamers talking about games. Nice. Just to get it out of the way. Okay.

45:46Marques Brownlee:Gamers can't afford it.

45:46David Imel:I disagree.

45:47Marques Brownlee:I think David and I play quite a few games, but according to the comments, we have no

45:51David Imel:idea what we're talking about.

45:51Marques Brownlee:Dota 2. I'll own it up. I'll own up to it right now. I play games once or twice a month. Not a huge gamer. It's not bad. So you guys should tell me about the Steam machine because all I really know, I've seen some videos and I've heard a lot of people saying, wow, you should do a video of the Steam machine. I haven't because I'm not super interested, but also I know what Steam is. And so I imagine that a Steam machine is a very specific thing, but you tell me. It runs on Steam. It runs Steam. This is like round. Oh, runs on Steam, it's crazy. It's like round three of them trying to release this thing.

46:20Marques Brownlee:Is it basically just Valve decided to make some hardware because they make the Steam store already and they're like, oh, well, we should sell a gaming PC. There are so many things to this. The reason for it, I think, makes perfect sense.

46:31David Imel:It's Steam is generally a PC gaming marketplace, right? It's usually PC games. Steam Deck changed that a bit. It let handheld gaming come onto the Steam marketplace. But really, the thing people have wanted for so long is I have this massive Steam library, but the benefit of consoles is it just plugs into my living room tv i get to sit on the couch and use a controller it has a lot of it's like very cohesive with all of that people like consoles because of that but console wars means we have a lot of exclusivity we have a lot of different things in that box only titles yeah you're really locked in like steam is on your computer you own your computer you're not like renting like yeah steam is what people like for games i can see where this is going.

47:17Also for the last like 15 years, there's Steam sales in the fall, there's Steam sales in the summer, there's Steam sales in the spring. The amount of Steam games I own that I have never once launched, Valve knows how to make you buy things that you will never use.

47:29David Imel:I bet most Steam users have 50 % of their library they haven't opened yet. Yes, because there's bundles. Everything's like, you can buy GTA for$4. Like it's so cheap that they're like, why wouldn't I do it? You know what I mean?

47:42Marques Brownlee:So there are people sitting out there with huge Steam libraries, but maybe a little bit of a void in the living room where they could be playing it like a console.

47:49David Imel:And everybody for years has found ways or tried to, but it's pretty hard to build a computer that sits next to their TV. But we're talking small form factor. We're talking... Micro ATX. Yeah, but we're talking noise, compatibility issues. So Steam went out to release something that is essentially the console that runs Steam. Yeah. Okay. Right? Makes perfect sense. People want that. There are so many things on the Steam library that still run great on a controller. you don't have to play everything keyboard and mouse you there's lots of especially indie games there's so many indie games on steam that are really fun to play on yeah tv and relaxing yeah um so they set out to launch this little box i mean it's i don't know the exact dimensions but it looks not that dissimilar from like an xbox series x but a square instead of a tall game

48:36Marques Brownlee:cube the original game cube size seems similar this feels very game cubby yeah yeah i'm proud

48:40David Imel:of myself for knowing the size of the original game cube it's all pretty much pc parts yeah but it's all run and compatibility wise really great i believe it's like hdmi cec which lets you which lets turning the controller on to turn the steam can also turn your tv on it lets all of those controls happen things that are kind of tough to do when you're building a pc yourself yeah um everyone's hoping for this thing when it gets talked about to be released at around five to seven hundred dollars i think eight hundred dollars is really like and so seven was like the the general consensus i think linus said that he would eat an entire cake on the when show if it was over seven hundred dollars the portal cake the portal but he said this months ago yes before open ai destroyed um everything certain prices have gone up since they have and so we just got the release date and the release prices and what is that so the release date is june 29th which will be monday okay um the starting price is 1049 for the 512 gigabyte model that does not include a controller wow yeah 1128 for the bundle with the controller at 512 then it can go as high as a two terabyte model for 1428 that's the bundle with the controller yeah so 1400 over a little over 1400 but basically starting at 1100 with a controller Yes.

50:03David Imel:Wow.

50:03Marques Brownlee:Yeah.

50:04David Imel:You get two PS5s. She pricey. No. PS5 is now$700. I thought it was$650. They, I don't know. I think original PS5 is$650 and PS5 Pro is like$900 now with the price increases. Some of the issues with this, I mean, I'll go over some of the things it comes with, but the two-target model also comes with two swappable faceplates. Remember, this has a magnetic faceplate that lets you do a bunch of cool customization. It has some cool LED bar on there. It's a well-thought-out machine in terms of compatibility. It's got all these separate antennas. So when your Bluetooth controller is connected to it, but maybe you're downloading something off the Wi-Fi, it's a separate Wi-Fi antenna.

50:46David Imel:So you're not getting all this interference with that. There's a lot of stuff they put into this that's really impressive. the issue is this price because if you think about it even with the price increases it's running fairly similar performance wise to a PS5 which is a 6 year old console that is$650 that's 6 years old? right, 2000 it came out around COVID am I old? it's going to turn 6 in a couple months so performance wise isn't that far off from a PS5. Some people, some games were even saying worse than a PS5. But even a PS5 Pro is$900. It's still$200 less than this. Comes with a controller also.

51:32David Imel:And the price to performance ratio is turning into a stinker, pretty much. And one thing that people were thinking was, and us included, how much of this will be subsidized because Steam also owns the marketplace, therefore X amount of money from all the Steam games that gets purchased. and they had straight up a response to why they are not subsidizing this console. I'll read it super quick, but while this might seem like an easy solution, it doesn't align with our beliefs of how healthy ecosystems are built. If there's anything we're religious about at Valve, it's our belief that open systems are better in the long run for ourselves and customers.

52:08David Imel:The openness of the PC ecosystem in particular has enabled it to be the primary driver of hardware and software innovation because anyone with an idea for a way to do something better was always able to take a shot at it. When companies sell their hardware under costs for competitive advantage or buy exclusive content for it. They're doing that to build a more closed system, one where you don't get to choose what software you use. We don't want that for PC hardware. We don't think you should want it either. We feel like you should have to buy Valve hardware. You should be able to view it as...

52:34David Imel:Shouldn't have to buy Valve. Shouldn't, yeah. You should be able to view it as just one option alongside all the devices playing games and select the one that makes sense for you. This means you get to decide which device fits your personal trade-offs. Things like price, performance, form factor, peripheral support, and everything else you care about. That's the strength of our PC platform. subsidizing hardware runs counter to that yeah okay so i i think yeah so there are a competitor

52:55Marques Brownlee:in the market of i don't know if this is the most price sensitive market but when you ask people about pcs like 90 of the people who are like i could just build a pc that gets more performance for less money that's the whole idea of building a pc yeah so i can immediately see people going oh i could build a pc just like this or cheaper and it would be a better buy than buying the steam thing is there anything that you literally can't get from building your own pc i don't think you can get a motherboard with that hdmi thing that can turn on the tv it's almost impossible to say

53:29David Imel:there's no way to get it because yeah building a pc is like infinitely customizable um to build this piece of software running what it's running in the form factor with the compatibility of everything with all the different you mean hardware sorry this piece of hardware if you Yeah, sorry. It's very hard. There's lots of people comparing it to this and that, but maybe it's a little bigger. Maybe it's not as compatible with your TV and systems. They definitely made the efficiency of this whole thing

54:01Marques Brownlee:pretty impressive. This is like the Surface laptop. Wow. Because there are lots of laptops you can buy, and they're not necessarily... The Surface laptop is a premium option, and maybe it's to serve as a Halo product even so that others will build premium options like it, but it will never be the best bang for the buck. Can I give you my equivalent? Sure. This is a MacBook before the M chip came out because it was premium hardware that had features that only the Mac could have because it could work with other stuff. It had an OS that was like sort of custom built for it and like, you know, runs things on it.

54:37It was more expensive than things at its performance ratio, but because you could only get certain things for it, it worked better with certain things it did things that other computers couldn't do people still

54:49David Imel:bought it yeah that's my analogy i like it except for that like apple is known for being like pretty closed system stuff and this is trying to stay yes but i do know what you're saying it's like you're paying a premium here for like yeah how intuitive it is to be able to play steam machines on your couch just it's the it just works kind of thing whereas like yeah valve says that the worst part about pc gaming is windows right and so like they want to just but all the games are written for windows yeah and they thought that they would be able like they made steam machines in 2015 and when they did that they didn't themselves really make a bunch of steam machines they went to partners like asus and acer and like all these other companies and they were like we're building the steam os you should build these steam machines that are better that can like run steam on your TV, et cetera.

55:38But what they didn't, they expected that all these companies would want to run Linux and run SteamOS and do this kind of stuff. These companies, they couldn't really force to do that. And so they made this layer called Proton, which is a translation layer similar to Rosetta 2 that will translate Windows games to Linux to allow you to run pretty much every Windows game. So on the Steam machine, you're using Proton. you can run all the Windows games but it's not actually running Linux it's running like Wine underneath which is like a Linux distribution so yeah I don't know I just I feel that the price to performance ratio is like you're paying the premium for something that just makes the experience so much more seamless and it's also a computer it's also a Linux computer which you can do work on it too you don't only have to play games on it

56:33David Imel:if you want. Yeah, you can put windows on it if you want. It's this weird thing where like it's if you haven't been on the Valve subreddit in the last couple days, it is the wild west. It's wild. It is like you can't every single comment has somebody fighting them on it. Like everyone who thinks it's overpriced, somebody's telling them they're wrong. Everyone thinks it's good for what it is. You're a total

57:01Marques Brownlee:valve fanboy it's it's fascinating i can see this having a similar youtube ecosystem where like there are people split i haven't even looked yet there are other people split people who are like wow this is overpriced here i'm gonna build a pc that's more powerful for less money nobody thinks

57:15David Imel:barely it's underpriced i can tell you that there are people who think we are paying for the parts essentially like we are just paying the price that it is because that's how much stuff costs now because stuff is really expensive especially in the pc world um i think people want but at the same time it's really easy to compare this to the consoles that are arguably running better performance than it that are hundreds of dollars cheaper which is tough because those consoles came out in a time when we were not in ramageddon but at the same time it's also a six-year-old console yeah that is performing better than the thing yeah i got now at four hundred dollars more expensive yeah which is the new the old consoles can't play your steam library that's true yes This is the need.

57:55It is so niche. Okay. Sorry. It's not late. You should finish. I was just gonna say,

57:59David Imel:I think the people who see this niche are excited for it. I kind of think this is sick and I kind of want one. Yeah. Knowing I will be paying a price that's probably quote too expensive or at least I'm paying for a convenience. In my opinion, this console proves that people cannot see, cannot look out into the future and be like, I'm paying more upfront now. but the games will be cheaper for the entire time I own this because PC games are always way cheaper. And the reason why Sony can subsidize the PS5 is because it's its closed ecosystem. You have to buy their$80 games. They don't go on sale that often.

58:37Do you know what else you have to pay for annually to play online? Yeah. Like, yeah. Like the amount of free online. This is the thing. This has always been a thing. and you pick, is it cheaper up front, but in order to use the product and the service over the years, you're paying over the years more and more and more money, or do you just pay more up front, but it's basically free for the time that you use it, the games are cheaper. You own the games in your Steam library.

59:01David Imel:Yeah. You own the games. That might also be a reason why they can't really, like this is something we all said they own the marketplace, but we also talked about how everyone has a million Steam games. There's probably a solid chance a ton of people buy this machine and don't buy a game for years because now I finally get to sit. Oh my God, how many indie games you have that you can play on your couch? Yeah, that I can play on my couch now where it's like, oh, I bought all these because these look fun. But like, it sounds crazy calling it a chore to sit at your desk and play games. But like, it's so much chiller to sit at your couch and play games.

59:32David Imel:And I'm sure the people who have bought the$3 side-scrolling indie game that like has a cult fan base, now you can go play it because I just have a controller and I'm relaxing in a chair.

59:42Marques Brownlee:And it also sort of does the opposite where it unlocks maybe a new market for them where most people who are buying Steam games were buying the experience of sitting at your desktop leaning forward. But if they weren't buying lean back controller games as much, this is a new opportunity for people to go, yeah, you know what? I should get some more casual games. And they're going to go back and buy more Steam games because they have a Steam machine. Totally.

1:00:06David Imel:Can I ask a dumb question? We might have an answer. Can you upgrade this machine? Some of it. I can't upgrade a PlayStation. That's a good question. No, and there's not a ton. I think you can upgrade RAM and storage. That's it. Yeah. You can't do that? Oh, no. Oh, sorry. You're just like, you can upgrade the thing that's like really fucking expensive.

1:00:26Marques Brownlee:Honestly, yeah. I mean, I guess like in the future, like GPU stuff, is that going to become a bottleneck for Steam games? Probably.

1:00:33David Imel:Probably. To a point. So one of the things, and this is something Linus really put it. So I watched Linus and Dave's reviews. if you want the super TLDRs, you should go watch them, first of all. But the real TLDRs are like, the pros of this are the form factor is great. It's really quiet, which I don't think people are appreciating. Having a quiet system in your living room is great. And the cohesion and support to be set up as a living room console is really good and something that's really hard to build into a custom PC. Small GameCube. The cons are performance-wise, the price-to-performance ratio is not great.

1:01:07David Imel:And one thing they kept saying was playing 4K games at 60, where a lot of that seems to be what they meant was that it's like low settings, 4K upscaling, 60 FPS is like a lot of what they seem to have been talking about is like your 4K gaming at 60 frames a second. Because Linus did a ton of tests and not a lot of what we'll call the modern like big title games we're running at.

1:01:35Marques Brownlee:That is so interesting. Yeah. I and again I'll watch their videos but I kind of wonder if they are looking at it more through a lens of PC gaming which has a much bigger focus on fidelity where I think if you're 15 feet away and your TV is across the room I mean I want the frame rate but I'm maybe not thinking quite the same way about the fidelity I mean it's got to perform well obviously but I'm not thinking exactly the same way as I would about like the game I'm going to play in 4k on my monitor right in front of me. Yeah. Does that make sense? Yeah, for sure.

1:02:04David Imel:No, I agree, and it's tough. I agree, but at the same price when the PS5 is outperforming. And again, it's like really hard to come back to that. Games are so expensive, and there's way less games on it. Yeah, I guess my question,

1:02:15Marques Brownlee:when you say outperforming, when the PS5 is outperforming the Steam machine, what exactly does that mean? Higher frame rates, more resolution, or details, better settings? Okay, yeah, that's a big deal. Wow.

1:02:26David Imel:It's close to PS5. PS5 for Pro seems like it was clearing it pretty easy. I agree that that's the thing that's tough here, right? It's really hard to compare to consoles. It's really hard to compare to PC gaming because when you have this sick tower that's running at 50-90 or whatever, like it's crushing. People who like PC games like to have the insane frame rights that they can play old school RuneScape without utilizing any of it, but they still want it. Like we've all been there. We've all done that. It's, yeah, I don't know. That's why I think it's so interesting. One thing to note is someone on Linus' team was talking with Valve about original price because remember this got announced before RAM blew up.

1:03:09David Imel:They couldn't quite say it, but they said if you look at the Steam Deck price increase, think about it similarly. Which, by the way, we might have mentioned before, but the Steam Deck, the 512 gig model went from$549 to$789. So that was a$220 price,$230 price increase. and the one terabyte model went from$649 to$949, which is a$300 price increase. That's like almost 50%. So not$200 to$300 off of Steam Machine and we're kind of exactly what we all thought. It should have been like$700, which is what everyone thought it would be. And at$700, this thing would be awesome. Yeah. But the Slate Truck, that'll stay the same.

1:03:46Yeah, that'll stay the same. There's no RAM in that thing.

1:03:49Marques Brownlee:What do you mean? There's no RAM in the Slate Truck. Yeah. So my question, my question is, can you even build an equivalently powered PC at this price point?

1:04:00David Imel:I'm no expert. I have. Has anyone done that? Linus is in the process of making that video. I think I saw The Verge doing and it seemed fairly comparable. That's something that is almost an impossible question to answer because between sales and individual parts and finding the best deal here or the rebate there or how it all connects together, then what do you consider the same thing? does it have HDMI CEC? Does it have the same form factor? Is it as loud? Performance is the main thing. I'm sure you can build performance arguably better. Yeah, I think that's specifically if it's the same amount of storage and everything.

1:04:37Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I think if their focus is just price to performance, purely performance, then the answer is probably yes, you can build it. But if you try to get some of the smaller intangibles like the small form factor or the quietness or the HDMI, that might make it tricky. Yeah, that's basically impossible. Yeah. Yeah. So if you're going to look at, if your success to clear the bar is I just want the same specs or to be able to play at the same settings, but not to spend$1 ,100, then you probably can do that. Yeah. Yeah.

1:05:06David Imel:Do you know what? Maybe that's fine. Yeah. Maybe just releasing something that's the option of, if you don't want to build any of it, if you want this compatibility, if you want to play your Steam games on the couch, this is this price. And if you're okay with paying that, pay it. if you're not okay with playing that, you can build it by yourself and maybe that's its own thing. This is a console that's also a computer, whereas most computers are also consoles. You know what I mean? And so you kind of have to look at it at that angle.

1:05:32Marques Brownlee:If you're cool with having a PC in your living room. Because the console is designed to slip under the TV in the little console thing or whatever. And like the PS5 is this slim box and the Xbox is a slim box. And now the Steam machine is a pretty small box. I mean, this is way smaller than both of those boxes. Yeah, so that is another thing.

1:05:49David Imel:Small computers are expensive. Yeah, they are expensive. You start losing the availability of... Yeah. I'm going to stop saying anything because so many people... No, it's fine. I mean, it's fine. I mean, we're going to get yelled at no matter what. I think it's fine. I kind of want one. Not going to lie. No, that's... This launch, I tried going through PC Parts Picker and like trying to make the same thing that was smaller. You tried this? Yeah, I tried it. But this was, again, many moons ago when it was first announced. Oh. And it was still difficult. Like, it was tough. and I don't think I got exact specs to what it's going to launch with or anything like that so it's hard I saw a funny tweet where someone was trying to build the equivalent powered PC for about trying to get a good price on it and they put the parts into ChatGPT and they said is this a good build for this price and ChatGPT said yeah this looks like a really good computer except I want to point out one thing the RAM that you bought it says that it's$400 but that must be like an error because this kind of RAM should only be about$80 and if it was$400 I'd call the police frankly and it was like your model's only trained to a certain date isn't it damn it's funny watching Linus and Dave talk about this because it's one of those things where they're like this is awesome, this is awesome, I remember the price this is a little tougher I think like I think both of them kind of wound up at like I still think this is really sweet.

1:07:15David Imel:It's just like it's a really sweet thing that's really hard to recommend. Like the people who want this are the people who are going to find out they want it by themselves and be willing to pray. Yeah. They also clearly did not make a lot of these things because in order to buy one, you have to like, there's a really, really weird system you have to go through. You have to like email them or something and then they put you in a lottery. You sign up for a wait list. You sign up to get put into a lottery, which puts your place in line for when it comes out. And then if you sign up after the whatever date, then you just get added to the waitlist at the end of that.

1:07:51These things are going to be sold out for the next two years.

1:07:54David Imel:There is one thing that I thought was interesting to go all the way back to... I knocked David's mic somehow. Something people were saying, a reason they might not be subsidizing this is because it can just be run as a Linux or a Windows system. People could just buy a bunch of these at the subsidized price and use it as compute power and data farm. So like, maybe that's something they took into account. I'm sure there's lots of things to take into account. There's so many variables out here with slop and it's annoying and gamers suffer the most. I know people are probably going to say I'm Valve glazing, but generally, I feel like Steam and Valve do things that they just don't want to do because they're a private company.

1:08:36They don't have to think about their stock going up and that's why people still love them. That's why the Steam is still a good marketplace. Wow, how much do they pay you to see that?

1:08:43David Imel:Please no one posts any of our conversation to the Valve subreddit. I cannot handle it. Oh, they will. I will go into hiding. I will make a clip specifically for it. Yeah, I don't know, man. Private companies are the best. I love private companies. Let's do trivia. Let's do trivia. It's time. Trivia, dude. Gabe Newell and Mike Harrington, founders of Valve started the company in 1996. Dang. What company did they both work for before that? I know the answer. Let's go. That's unfair. Why? Because I know the answer. That's how the game works. Trivia really sucks when everyone knows the game works.

1:09:29David Imel:That's literally what trivia is is knowing the answer. That's supposed to know it. Nope. All right. Well, I'll tell you guys the answer to that. we'll be right back

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1:12:22David Imel:Well, I specifically put color options there because there are seven options. It's kind of confusing. So some of them are color plus lens options. So there's probably like four colors. Yeah, compost. That's a good clarification. The adventure model, which are definitely pretty similar, but they have thinner frames. They also have different color combinations, about eight of them. And if you couldn't get enough of Kylie Jenner for some reason, because, you know, you're just a huge Kardashian fan, even though that's not her last name. They also have the Metaglasses Kylie edition, which, you know, they've got this retro oval kind of look to the frame, and they're a collab with Kylie Jenner.

1:13:02They have three color options, and she voices an AI model that talks to you. I missed that part. She does.

1:13:09David Imel:They're also not $80 cheaper. They are$399. $400.

1:13:14Marques Brownlee:I was going to say, instead of paying the licensing money to Ray-Ban, you just pay Kylie Jenner. Directly to Kylie a jenner cool so you know i don't know i think we've been seeing all these different glasses from like the smart glasses from samsung and like a bunch of different companies and i guess meta eventually just wanted to take all of the money and not have to like pay directly to ray-ban

1:13:34David Imel:anymore but it's confusing because they still have luxotica branding on them on the inside it's still made by like i saw a lot of takes like oh this is cool let's make it cheaper for people which it is i'm not going to complain that it's cheaper it's 2.99 now starting price um but like without the ray brand licensing but it's not meta building these from the ground up it's luxotica who still built the frames who was anyway before yeah who is they own ray bands is it really a good thing if more people have these glasses no okay okay that definitely for us so for meta yeah that's the whole point meta was essentially they had pr statements ready for stuff like this because not just in the sense of all the the privacy concerns that we talked about there have been i don't know if you've seen but a lot of people have been finding ways to like drill out the camera light yeah and there's like tutorials online and people who are doing this in some states where like you can essentially stop the light which i already think is not a good enough light to prove that you're recording but to just full-blown drill it out and still have the camera work so people don't know you're recording, which is the creepiest thing I could ever think of.

1:14:44David Imel:And also, we're starting to see establishments banning these types of glasses from places because of recording, which is a huge issue because if these are just your glasses that you're supposed to wear every day and you go to one of those places that is banned, now you either are not going to that place or you're going to that place without the ability to see because you can't wear your glasses inside of it. And they've noticed this. something they said at the event is we know there's tampering today and there's a handful of ways people are doing it nothing that Meta has seen or noting Meta has seen an increasing number of bad actors misusing his products as they become more popular if people aren't comfortable with you wearing the glasses not only do we personally think that's bad but we wouldn't have a business anymore you should see some updates from us really soon while we're looking to address it directly they need to find a way to stop these glasses from working if you drill out the lights They also need to make the recording sign read.

1:15:39Yeah. They had put some precautions in where if you like covered the light with tape, it would know and it wouldn't work. But Joanna Stern actually did a video about this where she found a bunch of people that were willing to like selling the service of drilling the light out without the glasses knowing.

1:15:56Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Because the wiring was still there. So it was still receiving a circuit. So it didn't trip anything. But they were they took the light out physically. yeah they need to make this a lot better but Meta does not care about this Meta only cares if they get in trouble

1:16:10David Imel:Meta will start caring if stuff like this happens where these start getting banned everywhere and it's going to turn into smart glasses are just not a viable option it's just so hard to ban these when they look more and more like regular glasses and the cameras in these are actually smaller than they were in the original

1:16:27Marques Brownlee:yeah they are a little bit smaller I was like where was I just I was just somewhere where these glasses were banned I was trying to remember what it was and it was the formula one paddock yeah where you we walk into the formula one paddock and they had to like outlaw like no recording no cameras don't take any pictures obviously yeah and people would be going in with the glasses on all the time and just recording anyway so they had to put a sign on the door that says no smart glasses in the paddock it's funny that's because

1:16:53David Imel:they don't want like trade secrets of their cars going in where most of these establishments because they don't want creeps coming in or people to feel uncomfortable that's the thing is like you could not be a creep but lots of people are going to feel uncomfortable yeah because you're in a private place of business with potentially getting recorded whenever yeah it's one of those things

1:17:11Marques Brownlee:where every time i talk to someone who i can tell is wearing the meta glasses i just immediately assume that they're recording i feel on edge when i'm talking like remember we were at south by southwest and that person came up to us and this might not even be online i don't even know so i'll Keep it anonymous. But somebody ran up to us basically and just like started recording with the glasses. I don't even think she asked. Oh, can I record? Can I record you with my metas? Yeah, can I record you? And then just started recording and then just started interviewing us basically like using her glasses as a camera and just sort of didn't listen for us to say yes or no and just started going.

1:17:48Marques Brownlee:The most South by Southwest thing you could imagine. Yeah, and when that happens to you, you realize like anyone wearing glasses could be recording at any point and I feel like the people who are wearing the glasses probably intend to record something at some point. So I just kind of assume that if I'm talking to someone and I notice that they have the glasses on, I'm just gonna talk, live and act as if this is being recorded right now.

1:18:09David Imel:Which also, I get people, like if you are in a public place, you are allowed to be recorded because you're in public. The thing that gets weird about this are, if I'm being recorded at a public place with a phone or a camera, I can tell I'm being recorded. When you're starting to drill this stuff out, I don't, people don't know what's going on. It starts getting really weird on who's recording what when it comes with children or like that's all really strange. And then when you start getting into private places of business that don't allow recording and that you expect some sort of privacy and you're potentially recording stuff like that.

1:18:41David Imel:It's just getting really strange. In Japan, they have a law where every smartphone has to come with a loud camera shutter sound. Every time you take a photo of something on any smartphone, it's at its max volume and you will always hear it go off. I think I noticed that too.

1:18:57Marques Brownlee:Is that true about China phones too? I don't know. I feel like - In Japan, it's a law. Okay. That might be true about some other places too, but I feel like that was a default that I noticed was the shutter sound was always on out the box and extremely loud. And every time I took a picture, it was like, and I'm like, oh, wow. And then they got clever with it and they made it sound like a DSLR and other stuff. Yeah. It's just hard to know if someone's just wearing glasses walking around. You never really know if they're recording or not. It just becomes - Your glasses right now could be the metaglasses.

1:19:25Marques Brownlee:They're not. they're not they kind of look like them that's the whole point is also because they're Ray-Bans the idea is to make them look kind of like regular glasses yeah and with the with the Ray-Ban name on them they kind of feel like regular glasses so yeah the more styles they introduce the more they're just going to blend in and look like more regular because even like now people have started assuming that pretty much all Ray-Bans are smart glasses you know they associate the smart glass trend with Ray-Bans but now they're releasing all these different models that come with these different styles and it's just going to become impossible at some point.

1:19:57David Imel:I will say, so the Furies definitely look like smart glasses. They're super thick on the stems. Yeah, super thick on the stems. I don't even know what you call that. It's pretty obvious. The arms. The arms. Thank you. I'm an idiot. The Kylie ones, which I'm kind of confused by because all the pictures says Meta Starfire Kylie edition, but everyone keeps calling them Meta Glasses Kylie edition, so I don't know if there's a name change. Those are a little harder to see, the glasses, because the frames are so black and thick. But then the adventurers... They look pretty normal. They look super normal.

1:20:30David Imel:They're really thin. The glasses just look like they could be like a screw hole or like just a piece of flare essentially on the glasses. And I can't imagine a little white circle around that is really tipping many people off to your recording. Yeah. So these glasses also come with Meta's first Super Intelligence Labs model, which is called Muse Spark for some reason. Everything is Spark recently, by the way. And I think this is a reference to Sparks of AGI. Gemini Spark. Gemini Spark. There's a lot of Spark stuff going on. Yeah, and I think it's the whole Sparks of AGI thing. Either way, it should be a little smarter.

1:21:06So you should be able to have more natural conversations with it. It should know more things, things like that. And Kylie's voice. And Kylie's voice. Sick. Which is great. Kylie's voice.

1:21:17David Imel:I don't know how I missed that. Yeah. That's really funny. Yeah. We never got an update to the SVG that Swedish... House Mafia? Yes, we never got an update to Swedish. We never got Swedish House Mafia, too. Yeah, yeah. I know Meta ended their contract with the data annotation company in Kenya, but we never found out how real... That's such a big tech company thing to do. Be like, it was their fault. I know. Just blame them completely and find another place that will do the probably exact same thing. And that story didn't really make the rounds among U.S. consumers. And I found myself over and over again, like meeting people who are wearing the metaglasses and wanting to be like, hey, there's this potential that they're just recording all the time.

1:21:59And I never know how to have that conversation with people. So I just don't.

1:22:03David Imel:I think here's my potential silver lining of I think most people who buy those glasses aren't using the AI features of it, which is generally when it was recording without them knowing. so I do think most people are just like these are glasses that can play some music and I can record first person view every once in a while. I hope so. I hope they weren't just recording. I think the average people buying that are probably like not really asking the s*** meta AI what's going on. Yeah. But in other news meta is starting a prediction market. So yeah. What? Oh yeah. You didn't hear about this? Yeah.

1:22:36They're starting a standalone app called Arena that's supposed to compete with Polymark. Have they ever had an original idea? Anyway. This is every time we talk about Mad I. I know. This is every time we talk about Mad I. What's something nice we can say, guys?

1:22:50Marques Brownlee:Half the street of the manifesto. At least they look better than the snap glasses. I don't even agree with that. I like the snap glasses. That might be one of the hotter takes. I'm back with them. Anyway, should we do some fun questions? We should do trivia. Let's do it. Ay! Scoop up, beat up. Back for its second week in a row, apparently. Guys.

1:23:15David Imel:I'm still getting this wrong. What was the first version of Android where they reset the dessert alphabet in the code name and I'm looking for the number and the dessert?

1:23:28Marques Brownlee:One point each would be cool. Which version of Android?

1:23:31David Imel:Yeah, it's going to be one point each. Hell yeah. Version number? When you say reset, you mean it's the last one before it reset or the first one that did reset? The first one that did reset. that's a great, great clarification to get out there.

1:23:53Flip them and read. Who wants to go first?

1:24:01Marques Brownlee:I'll start. I believe it is Android 16. That is correct. Which is baklava. And that is double correct. Thank you. Marquez is the android sicko. Thank you. Sicko. Yeah. Yeah. So. They didn't start with A? No. Nope. Well, they didn't start with A with regular Android either. That is correct. They started with C. You're also a sicko. That's right. Well, that's B. No, it's cupcake. Well, I'm saying that's B. Yeah, C, 17 is C.

1:24:33David Imel:My deduction was solid because I knew 17 was C, So I went to 15, assuming normal people restart the alphabet at A. Lane restarts the alphabet at A.

1:24:48Marques Brownlee:Totally valid guess.

1:24:49David Imel:And then I just guessed Apple turnover. Yes, unfortunately, that is incorrect. David, you also put 15. Yeah. And what dessert did you write down? Creme brulee. I almost wrote Tiramisu. No, solid. Wait, hold on. Can I? I'm just kidding. I just wanted to rage bait people. It feels like Creme brulee. Creme brulee was just a guess, or did you think it was C? Because you made the deduction to go back to 15 based on current being C. You would think that, Andrew, but I just went for it, baby. Oh, hell yeah. I didn't have enough time to actually think that hard. You're too busy AR trying on the Kylie sunglasses.

1:25:26David Imel:That I was. And they look amazing. I put it in memes. You can check it out. Oh, my gosh. My mouth's slightly open. The trivia music started and David's still having it. giving me my whiteboard because you're just trying them on. I was like, I got to think. Virtually try only. For those curious, version 13 was tiramisu, as we learned last week. Wait, I got this. 14 was... Upside down cake. Whatabanger. Whatabanger. Whataburger. V. Number 15 was... I forgot backwards, it's really hard.

1:25:58Marques Brownlee:Was V, which is voluptuous cake. No, V. V is the last one before they reset. What is V? Hold on. V. Vie... Vie... Vie Aramisu. That's the French version. The last one before they updated... What was it? Vanilla ice cream. Oh, yeah. That was a boring-ass one of all time. Very vanilla. Very vanilla. It's a rare bean from Madagascar. You know that vanilla is actually one of the more complex flavors? There's like 30-something flavor things that go into vanilla. That sounds like something vanilla would say.

1:26:35David Imel:Big vanilla. Big Vanilla wants you to believe. That's like the space slate trip being like, it locks. Anyway, after that correct answer, Marquez with 30. Damn. Andrew with 26. And David with 31. Oh no! That far ahead? I thought David was clearing all of us. It's because Mariah destroyed me when I was out. She didn't do it for me. She got points for you. No, she didn't. She got zero points. Damn. Okay, well, what company did both the founders of Valve work at before starting Valve?

1:27:08Marques Brownlee:Just as we thought we were catching up. Yeah. I can make a guess. You should guess. You get one point for founder. That was a joke. They came from the same company. Where'd they find her?

1:27:24David Imel:Welcome back, Ellis.

1:27:29David Imel:This is... I have no idea. Flip him and read. What do we got? Yes! No way! You guys guessed this correctly? I think it's the only plausible thing to guess unless you know. One, two, three! Microsoft!

1:27:49That's f***ing hard. God damn it. You thought he was about to get a free point?

1:27:54Marques Brownlee:It's not free. Nope. I used my big brain. Thought you were about to take the lead by even more than you were already in the lead. I'm only in the lead by one, Marquez. We made educated guesses. and you're still only in the lead by one. God. Wow, that felt great.

1:28:07David Imel:I'm trailing by a billion.

1:28:08Marques Brownlee:I'm glad we were able to pull that one off. Well, it's been a fun - What is a freaking extravaganza? 31 points? Actually, next month. In July. We've been cooking. That's a nice little teaser. Hey, if you made it this far in the episode, now you know when the trivia extravaganza is. That's true. Which is very exciting. Exclusive information. Well, that's been more of your regularly scheduled programming. Be sure to tune back in next week. Of course, if you're subscribed, you already know it's going to hit your feed. but we'll catch you again soon. Thanks for watching. Catch you in the next one.

1:28:38Marques Brownlee:Peace.

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