The Switch 2 Is Coming…Eventually

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1:11what is up people of the internet welcome back to the nintendo switch 2 podcast we're your hosts i'm nintendo switch i'm nintendo switch 2 and i'm andrew it rhymed i had to keep doing it yeah true it did sorry i'm marquez uh and and that's david i'm still andrew we have we have some nintendo switch uh updates obviously this is a fast moving environment where lots of things change and we're recording us a day earlier than usual so yeah things may change but we have a things will change they will definitely change we will be wrong i apologize but also uh nothing cmf phone uh some google tv streaming updates and an oppo find x8 ultra first look kind of a surprise sleeper.

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2:23It does make us happy. Yeah. Like, can confirm. Yeah. Yes. Your parasocial relationship with us. You could actually influence your parasocial relationship with us. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, speaking of Switch 2, the situation around pre-orders with it is a thing that's rapidly evolving and interesting, and that's what we were talking about. As of right now, the pre-order is delayed in the U.S. It's still set to launch on June 5th, but pre-orders are now going to be pushed back a bit, potentially to still start shipping immediately. And that's because tariffs, lots of fun things happening with the state of the economy.

3:03We figured we might as well at least acknowledge tariffs and what they are and what that means. because I think during this entire calendar year and probably beyond, we're going to have many more conversations about the price of the gadgets that we're talking about and how they are affected by tariffs and many other things with the environment. So here's what a tariff is, at least how I understand it. And then we can go straight to the prices of things. A tariff is a specific lever that can be pulled by a politician that will essentially be a tax on a good that is imported into the country. So for the United States, for example, lots of things that we buy are manufactured outside of the United States.

3:45And so if you're a politician here and you want to encourage more U.S. manufacturing or you want to encourage more people to buy from U.S. suppliers, then what you'll actually do is add a certain percentage of a penalty for buying from someone outside the U.S. So let's say U.S. supplier costs$10. China supplier costs$5. I add large tariff to China so that when you buy China product, it's actually more expensive than the US. Now I'll switch to US supplier. That's the goal of a tariff. It's way more complicated than that. Building manufacturing facilities in the US is very complicated. Nah, you pretty much nailed it.

4:22Extremely complicated. There's a lot more to it than that, but that's basically what is happening in the world of electronics, where now, if you look at, say, the iPhone, you might have seen some articles about the iPhone's price potentially going up. It won't be$3 ,000, by the way. But - That is fear-mongering. Yeah, but the idea is lots of parts and assembly happen overseas. And so lots of those things will cost more. And since there is no readily available US equivalent manufacturing, the only choice is the price will have to go up or maybe they eat into their margins, et cetera, et cetera.

4:57So the switch to is affected by this. I think the headline that I saw is that the price of the Switch 2 as it exists does not account for tariffs. Correct. But we don't expect the price to change. We're not sure yet. I think that the reason that, so Doug Bowser, the CEO of Nintendo of America. Incredible name. I know. It does not have anything to do. No, it does not. It's just pure coincidence. And it does now. Pure coincidence. And it's like, my name is Adam Podcast. It's kind of like a bad coincidence because he's the villain. It's like Tiger Woods being a golfer. like you don't want to be in the woods in golf but like his name is woods like there's lots of great last names oh yeah good opposite there's a disc golfer with the first name eagle and in golf scoring it's great but i feel like that's a lot of pressure that's true yeah eagle gets an eagle anyway bowser is a villain but also the ceo who is maybe the villain but probably not i don't know i have no opinion on doug bowser the ceo regardless he went on uh on a bunch of podcast stuff and some interviews and he basically said the price of the switch to that is 450 is what we thought it was worth that did not account for tariffs yeah and so while we are you know we are assessing the situation in the united states and that is why we are delaying the pre-orders they did not say the they didn't say the price won't change and i think that's the reason they're delaying the pre-orders is because they need to assess if they need to change the price and the timeline of this is april 2nd the announcement happens right yeah they announced the price that night is when we see the numbers yeah of tariffs and then within that week we got the delay for the april 9th us pre-orders yeah yeah it was within two days i think it was in two days from then so the problem is that uh a lot of the regions where nintendo manufacturers the switch are being hit very very hard with tariffs uh they manufacture a lot of them in vietnam and also in china vietnam's getting hit with like a very large uh 46 percent tariff china's getting hit with a 34 percent tariff at the time of recording these are at the time of recording because because uh later in the episode we'll talk about tiktok um that sort of changed things and then they pull out of a tiktok deal and that made the government say maybe we'll add an additional 50 to china so nintendo really doesn't know what they can do right now yeah nintendo is just in this very nebulous space where they're like we literally have no because they don't they they might lose a ton of money on the switch too if they sell it for that price yeah uh doug bowser had also mentioned in this interview that i watched i believe with CNBC that they already have a lot of Switch 2s in the United States.

7:44So luckily, it seems like they probably could release it at the normal price, but the problem would be once they start eating more in the United States, that could be a problem, and they don't want to release a bunch at$4.50 and then increase the price later. It's forever changing, and by the time this comes out on Friday, we might have more information. It's like the first reaction we saw because of the timing right in the tech world it feels like the first it's not a price change yet yeah but it's a direct reaction to what happened because of the timing um and you know we don't really know what that's gonna be yeah yeah we were talking about this before like if you're like this is gonna happen way more during the year lots of gadgets are gonna come out and we'll have to i think we're gonna have to speculate about if tariffs were included in pricing he said they were not he in this yeah but in the future now that like we know there's some volatility here like i don't know i think in general we know we never hear like from the company about why they chose a price for something right so there are lots of economic conditions and suppliers and margins and things that they keep in mind when setting a price for something and this tariff stuff is another one of those variables but we never hear from the company about why they picked the price.

9:02So I think that's going to continue to be true. I don't imagine any company is going to go, here's our new price. It's higher because of tariffs. I don't think they're going to be able to say that because they never want to change their price. They just want to hopefully predict the future enough to factor in enough margin to be okay if the tariffs change. I feel like they could say that because they are not the government of the country. I thought about that. It kind of takes it off your shoulders. But then if tariffs go away, you're expected to lower the price. That's also true, which is tough.

9:33And that will never happen. Yeah. I can't do that. Yeah. That's pretty much what happened with... Yeah. I'm not going to get into it. Okay. Yeah. So anyway, yeah. Well, speaking of the price of things and them not saying generally why they picked the price they did, in the same interview that I watched, they asked why Mario Kart was$80. So this is something that we didn't cover. Actually, I think last week I was like, a$60 game? Because we didn't know. a lot of these games are now$80. Mario Kart World is$80. The new Donkey Kong game is going to be$70. And the interviewer asked, why is this game$80 and Donkey Kong $70?

10:09How are you thinking about this? And Doug said, it depends on the value of the game and how much value we think the user is going to get out of the game. Translation. I think we can get away with charging this much. Yeah, I mean, I think that they know that Mario Kart is like the console seller and it's going to be a pack-in game so it's 50 i mean it's 50 extra for mario kart if you buy the bundle so it does seem like there's going to be there's been a lot of controversy around these game prices yeah well he yeah he called it variable pricing and that games with like extra depth and replayability would be more expensive and that they'll judge it game by game which i can guarantee you whatever zelda game comes out next will be 80 oh yeah um They also, so one thing we did do an insert in last week because there was this story that came out about digital games being$80 and then a physical copy being$90.

11:08It seems like no one knows where that came from. And it seems like I don't think there's going to be a price difference between physical. But we also want to talk about the difference in what physical games are now. Yeah. Because they're not really what they used to be. There are no physical games. Yeah, so physical cards is still kind of up in the air because some games, the physical card isn't the physical card that we all know. It's actually like digital key. So when you plug it into your Switch, it actually downloads the game online. And then in order to play the game, the key or cartridge must be put in the Switch.

11:45There's, this is weird. It's different. there are some benefits to it though that i didn't yeah account for and there's definitely some drawbacks to this um i think the obvious drawback is what do we own anymore um this is not a physical thing anymore if i want to play my switch to in 15 years when the servers are offline this is the thing i see your face marquez and i see why you're like i don't understand what this matters uh in 15 to 20 years 30 years when nintendo decides to turn these servers off all of a sudden you can't sell this you can't like give this to someone and have them put it in a switch too okay we're playing i have a couple of logical questions then okay so you're buying a cartridge which is a key that you plug into the switch and then you download does that mean some of the game is on the cartridge or none of it and you still download the entire game the ones where it's just the key it's not on the cartridge so you have you put the key card in the switch and then download the entire game yes and then is that a one-time download so then you don't have to be online you can plug in the key and play because you're yeah because it's downloaded yeah okay and then so transferring it if i wanted to unplug that key and plug it into a different like i get a new switch then it wouldn't work if the servers were down if the servers are down but what's interesting about this is if you let's say you buy nba 2k because that's a game you would buy and you're like done playing it or your friend wants to play it, you can give them that key.

13:14They'll have to download the game, but now they can play it for a while or you can sell your cards. Like if you play a game, finish it. You can sell the game on Facebook Marketplace where if you only do the digital download, you can't do that because it's connected to your account. But then Marques can no longer play. But you can't play it anymore. Even though it's downloaded to your device because you don't have the cartridge. Because I don't have the cartridge. So it acts exactly like a physical key then. yes unless like a physical game far in the future until yeah until someday maybe they shut everything down the other super niche thing would be like if you're on a road trip or on an airplane and david's got the new zelda game and he's not playing i'm like oh yo can i play that and i grab it i'm offline so offline install is the hit yeah that that part sucks that makes sense and it just takes memory away from your internal storage because the right if it's the regular fully developed card you're not taking away storage on you.

14:09It's more storage but I'm sure everyone will hit that storage. I read that they did this because there are some games that are just too big for the storage of the cartridge and they wanted to allow more third parties that had bigger harder core games with more assets to fit on there especially because it's higher fidelity. It's a much faster processor and console like PC games are like huge now. This is part of my speculation because I have a switch one and switch one games were small enough that i could fit a few games on the local memory before needing an external card and my biggest game was 16 gigs and now we're seeing like switch two with high resolution and more textures and bigger assets it's probably going to be like 64 gigs plus for a single game so i could see that actually happening great point thank you i thought about it for a while nice those i think those are the bigger updates but we also have like 10 quick hit updates that also came out you want to go through them with me david yeah let's do it rapid fire okay so remember the pack-in game switch to what is it called switch to the tutorial it's the tutorial game.

15:19It's the manual. It's anyway, it's the tutorial game that teaches you about the Switch 2 and you get to walk around it and whatever. We were, we found out it was a paid game, which we did comment on last week and said that's ridiculous. We didn't know how much it was. It has been verified. It is$10. Welcome tour. Welcome tour. Switch 2 welcome tour. $10. What? Stupid. We also found out most of the upgrade packs to upgrade things from Switch 1 to Switch 2 editions are$10. bucks yeah i can't decide if that's worth or not yet because i haven't seen a switch one game and switch two game on the same switch two to decide if there's a big enough difference it's also not always about fidelity like the legend of zelda games they are mostly fidelity and then you get this app where you can do other stuff in the app and there's you know whatever oh wait i have a stupid question about this what the update thing that is free though i believe does that mean that I can't play my original game if I have it?

16:17No, you can. You can. It's just not made for Switch 2. It's lower resolution. That's fine. Yeah, so it depends. So the Zelda game is mostly about fidelity. You're paying$10 to make it more pretty, which is kind of ridiculous. I don't know. The Kirby game that's being updated, they're adding an additional big level to it. So they did add content to it. So it's DLC. So that's arguably valuable. sure um it's different on every game which is just confusing like super there's so many things about this launch that are like oh in this case it's this but in this case it's this and there's just no through line for anything regarding pricing regarding like what the updates do regarding any of this that's why we're doing like a half an hour update yeah an episode later give them a break they only had eight years to work on yeah uh the new joy cons are not hall effect joy cons we were really hoping they would be because that would have fixed all the drift issues they said that they re-engineered them from the ground up um and i'm imagining that nintendo definitely knows that the drift was a problem yeah whether or not they cared because they could just sell new joy cons for 60 i'm not sure these now cost 80 so you know i don't know but we'll see okay okay so it says the port on the top cannot transfer data only charge the console yeah so they added an additional USB-C port to the console, which I was extremely excited about, specifically for charging, to be fair.

17:41But apparently people were excited because they were like, oh, people could just make new docks that can make the switch go in sideways, and it'll take up less horizontal space, and it could be interesting. But no, it doesn't output video, so it can only charge it from that. But the camera still connects to it, though, correct? So it can... Yes. I have not seen that yet. They show it in all the videos. In the launch, they show that. So it does transfer data. I guess it does. But I But it doesn't do dock data. I guess it doesn't do... You can't dock it. You can't do video output. Only video in.

18:14Video in. Interesting. Which seems like a thing that they did on purpose. Wow. But anyway. Okay. Okay. Cool. Did you see this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wait, what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, read it. What? I know, it's so funny. I didn't want to say it this morning. Okay, you probably saw that there is the Switch camera that's coming out that's in the shape of a piranha plant. awesome uh it only does 480p versus the nintendo edition camera that does 1080p yep so that really sick piranha plant camera it's like i think actually what's cool about it is the plant is usbc so i'm assuming you can plug it into the switch by itself or it has the little stands that's like the the tunnel 480 but it's 480 and not 1080 like the normal camera nostalgia must eventually come to an end.

19:03I bet people will buy that camera, put it next to their Switch, and then also buy the real camera to have 1080p. Okay, but also, I did read you can use any USB-C webcam as well. Really? Mm-hmm. Okay, that's awesome. Yeah. Good to know. Everything about this is like, wow, yay, wow, oh, what, yay, oh. It's everything, it's everything. They did, Nintendo did respond about the choppy playback for shared screens that we saw, and I appreciated their honesty in the sense of them. They basically said like, listen, we'd much rather the majority of resources go to gaming. Like not only does it help with the games that are being played, but like more games are going to come out in the future and they're going to be more resource intensive.

19:46So let's just make sure we're using the minimal amount for the actual game shares or not game share, the like gameplay footage social aspect of it, which I agree with. That's more of a social thing. It's to kind of see what's going on. I do think they showed some scenes where they were watching another person play the game and sort of helping them go through it. I think what they should do is whatever is the primary screen, they should devote most of the bandwidth. I think that's fair. Yeah, but they didn't do that, which was weird. Oh, I wanted to say one more thing, which is just I found this really interesting.

20:20So like the old Joy-Con bumper, when you split the Joy-Cons, the old bumper was like literally the worst thing in the world. It was like really rattly and you could put it on backwards and get it stuck. And it sucked. The new Joy-Con, it still has a bumper because it wants to add the wrist strap. But since they made the button so much better, it actually now the button still like pressed through the new bumper. And it's just this really simple. Like, I think there's a small hook on the bottom of it. But Mark has some footage. We can put it on the video here. I don't think we included it in the first impressions.

20:54Okay. I thought that was awesome, though. It seems better. And it also puts like little tiny mouse pad feet on it. So when you do the mouse thing, that's also on the bumper. Oh, you probably can't do the mouse without that. Yeah. Because it wouldn't really be as flat of a surface. It creates a flat bottom for it. Yeah. Cool. So, yeah. I have a bit of a hot take. Do it. This is also stolen from David Pierce on the Vergecast. Basically, I think that this console was developed during COVID because everything about it is like the social features are such a core part of it the camera the cutouts they're like trying to make it feel like you're more in a room like switch one all of the advertising was like teens hanging out on a roof playing switch together yeah i think that i've said this about a lot of phones in the past but it's also probably true of this the second generation of a product is always the most interesting because it teaches you everything that company learned from the first generation so like when we we got the first generation apple watch or the first generation ipad they kind of thought it would be one thing and then they saw they put it out into the world they saw how people use it and they went oh okay we can capitalize and make things for this exact group of people so obviously the first switch came out in i think 2017 pre-covid and they saw they had a lot of ideas about how people people would use it now they have the data and they've seen how people have used it and covet happened during that time so now a lot of the switch use is probably different from what they imagined in those first ads and they are adjusting to the usage numbers or they had three years of development during covid where they thought this is what we should prioritize i think it's a good point too because so many people saw that and they're like why is anyone excited we've had discord forever but i don't compare this to discord i compare this specifically to being on zoom calls with friends playing mario kart like which people do it's a lot different i get to see my friends which is different than discord i mean you can do that and you can share screens with discord's way more of voice so this is voice and seeing it's so much more casual it's and don't get me wrong like i'm super glad they added these features regardless but the battery life is also notably worse than the oled model they i think the quoted battery life was two and a half to six hours whereas the oled there was the oled model was like four and a half to eight or something like that so i don't know i mean playing it handheld obviously it's better better with the bigger screen that's cool i kind of wonder like the percentage like it is a switch the whole point is to be able to use or in a dock i kind of wonder like what fraction of people have a switch mostly docked versus mostly handheld i play almost exclusively handheld so that's same yeah i travel with it i i use it that's the only thing i use it for yeah i think if you're doing it in the like social camera scenario though you're probably playing it docked yes exactly you probably need the camera makes me believe that most people use a switch docked if i only watch Or at least they did through 2020 through 2023.

23:48Maybe that's, I don't know. It's interesting. So, yeah. I think that is all we have so far for Switch updates. Breaking news. Switch 2 canceled. Wow. This is the Switch 2 podcast after all. So we will be back with your rapid fire updates every week until June 5th, obviously. That's just how this is going to go. And probably after. And probably after. Yeah, because we still won't have it then. Yeah. But yeah, I think that's a perfect place to take a quick break. We got much more to talk about. And so trivia.

24:20All right. This one's a little bit of a little explaining. So let me get into it. So earlier we mentioned Doug Bowser, whose name is an example of this hypothesis called nominative determinism. Wait, wait, wait. His name? His name, Doug Bowser. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, sorry. It's a hypothesis, sociological hypothesis. that people choose careers that fit well with their name obviously not proven or disproven but these names that fit well are called aptronyms um doug bowser according to wikipedia is actually in inap in aptronym because he's the villain of the mario thing but i have before me four aptronyms and i need you to tell me which one i made up uh i can already tell this is probably your favorite question you created are you ready yes i love this all right number one emeritus professor of psychiatry at zurich university jules angst b american ornithologist and program manager for feather identification in the division of birds at the national museum of natural history carla dove yo c 1984 olympic gold medalist swimmer Jeff Float.

25:42D, current host of the show The View, Sonny Hostin. Or E, these are all real, baby. Wow. When I took drum lessons in high school, my drum teacher was named John Bassa, like bass drum, B-A-S-S. There's so many good examples of this. I pulled these best ones from a ginormous list. Really? Yeah. This really does happen. I mean... Usain Bolt is probably the top of the list. Yeah, Usain Bolt. I found a composer named David W. Music. No. No. That's too easy. That's too easy. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Okay. I will be thinking... I don't know any of those people you named, so I... Wait, wait. Sorry. This one is real.

26:30It's not part of it. But one of the guys who worked on the transcontinental railroad as an engineer, and this is not a joke, was named George Francis Train. Perfect. Perfect. Well, I, yeah, I'm going to have to think about this. I hope they're all real secretly. Answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.

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29:04All right, welcome back. I am holding a Nintendo Switch 2, and by Nintendo Switch 2, I mean an Oppo Find X8 Ultra. What's the difference? Audio listeners really just got excited. Yeah, sorry for the jump scare audio listeners. No, so this one was announced this week. uh i dropped my by the time the podcast goes out my first impressions video of this phone is also out but it kind of came out of left field because we've had the x8 series going for a while and the x8 pro is already a really good phone this phone comes out i didn't really have plans for it it shows up the spec sheet blows my mind unbelievable spec sheet from top to bottom literally the best available spec uh android other than i think refresh rate because it has 120 hertz ltpo Maybe it could have been the 165 hertz from the ROG phone.

29:52But everything else about it, Snapdragon 8 Elite, 6 ,100 milliamp hour silicon carbon battery, great haptics, IP68, IP69, a terabyte of storage, 16 gigs of RAM. Like you name a stat, it's got it. 1440p, super bright. And then the camera sensors, which are kind of the main draw of these phones, one inch type sensor for the primary camera, 50 megapixels. and then it has a 3x camera which is a absolutely massive sensor and is basically the same size as a primary camera on a lot of phones then there is a 6x telephoto there's an ultra wide there's a chroma sensor for white balance it is loaded this camera is ungodly good it is loaded this is possibly the best phone camera marquez is this everything that you mentioned that every phone is going to have this year so the big hits yes it hits all the three the big three of phones having the thing that we thought they were going to have this year one snapdragon 8 elite two really really bright display three silicon carbon battery it has all those and it has like maxed out everything else oh that picture you just took is fire that's tough that's a tough look for me uh but it it's really impressive and uh i think so i i ended up like making a video on it not expecting to until we got it in hand but i'm impressed can i ask the least interesting question possible yes okay i've seen this with a couple other phones and i remember bringing it up when we were fact checking a video once but why are phones now saying like it's ip68 and ip69 i don't know because i thought it was pretty intuitive that if a phone would pass ip68 then it would also pass everything below it but technically they don't have to test everything below it so if you'd pay for the ip68 and the ip69 test maybe you feel obligated to say both both of them but i you know yeah ip69 is not just submersion but like high pressure high or low temperature water jets it'll survive that too something i want to note here um they copied camera control oh they okay it's a it's a whole section in this video yeah and maybe i haven't said it on the podcast before but oppo with ColorOS is so shameless about copying many, many things from the iPhone.

32:10From Dynamic Island to open the settings app and tell me that's not just the iPhone settings app. But Dynamic Island is so good, though. The Dynamic Island they've copied. Live activities they've copied. Yeah. Hit that. See that button on the side on the top left of the phone? Okay. Hold that down. It's exactly the action button from the iPhone. And it has the, yeah, the dynamic button looks the same. Now, on the right side of the phone, you see that little flat area. camera control it's literally camera control so if you open the camera and slide your finger along that area or yeah double tap opens the camera slide up and down it zooms in and out they've copied camera control it literally looks the same you folded it oh my god yeah so yeah they've obviously taken a lot of inspiration the settings app the the settings for that action button or i mean quick button right it looks exactly the same as the iphone i ended up kind of remembering that obviously all the other markets that aren't the us where people just buy the phone based on whatever has the best specs and seems like the best value it kind of works for them to just just embrace the other features of other phones that work well and if you have all the features then people are more likely to buy your thing like if i like dynamic island on the iphone okay now here's another phone with dynamic island yeah you know something i want to note about the camera uh usually when you zoom in like a ton what happens is it looks really soft and then and you click the shutter button, and then a few seconds of processing goes by, and then it looks really over sharpened just because they wanna like bring out all the detail.

33:37But on this phone, even when you use like an insane, like 30X, it looks soft, you take the photo, wait a couple seconds, and then just looks like a normal photo. It looks sharp. Like it looks good, it doesn't look over sharpened, it doesn't, it looks amazing. I think the telephotos are great on this camera. That's insane. You did rich from like across the entire office, and then it starts like haloing pretty hard yeah so it it is tough to tackle like tough lighting conditions at 50x zoom but on like a like a sky a skyline or whatever trying to zoom in on some buildings like it does a fantastic job anything that's sitting still it does a great job i followed zuri around it does a good job of like freezing actions or he's uh the dog that's over there sleeping in the corner of the podcast room right now but it did a good job with that uh i'm just yeah i the thing about it okay so i i've only had it for a few days i assume the battery life is going to be just fine since it has a 6100 milliampere battery it also has 100 watt fast charging 50 watt wireless charging reverse wireless charging does it have chi2 it does not have magnets in it chi2 is fake as far as yeah we don't get chi2 we only get chi2 ready yeah just the motorola skyline or whatever yeah but everything else about this phone is basically peak 2025 smartphone.

34:56The bar has been set now. That's crazy. This is how good it gets. That's unbelievable. Yeah. I might have to get one. And speaking of something almost as good, you also got to try the Light Phone 3 out, right? The Light Phone. Do I want to bring it in here? I'm working on a video about this Light Phone. Okay. And minimal phones, we talked about it briefly on the last episode. I respect it. I understand it. There is obviously some desire for it but the light phone 3 if you pre-order costs 600 and if you don't pre-order costs 800 yikes i don't understand that value proposition wow that's a lot if the entire point of the phone is to be less of a phone right how do you charge more right than a lot of phones how much does this cost do we know this phone i don't have a price actually for it yet but i'm gonna guess it's around 900 to 1200 like it's a flagship the x8 pro costs about 800 okay this is not coming to the u.s by the way but that's about how much it would cost so that's uh yeah i'm trying to square like what they're doing with the light phone because it is so expensive yeah we got a few minimal phones in recently we got the light phone there's also the minimal phone that came in and i think for some people um like becca versace just made a video on the light phone three and she did a really good job on that so you should go watch that i think it can work for some people but she had a lot of frustrations as well so it's one of those things where it's like in order to live the life you want to live you got to have some trade-offs yeah so tim i think and i'm not 100 sure about this maybe becca said in her video i didn't get a chance to watch it but tim was trying to bring it home to use it for a little bit and can't transfer any of his text messages over to it is that only because he's using iMessage or is it just i haven't been able to do that either He was trying to find some stuff and like it still has SMS messaging, but you can't transfer your previous SMS messages.

36:58There's a portal. There's an online portal that you can log into and like add and remove different apps and things that I can not even really apps. They call them functions. But it yeah, it's it's very limited. Yeah. And intentionally so. Yeah. So. All right. Yeah. Before we move on, I think I have a loose answer as to how a device and why a device might be rated both IP68 and IP69. It turns out, while you would think that the difference between 8 and 9 is just harder, better, faster, stronger, drier, it turns out they're actually... Different materials. International Standards Code Society, whatever, actually prescribes two different kinds of tests.

37:39IP68 refers to a submersion survivability capability, whatever. So when you give it the IP68 rating, you're literally submerging the device. The IP69 rating demands that the device be subjected to what is akin to an industrial cleaning environment, where they actually blast the device with high pressure, high temperature water. So they are two different modes of survivability when it comes to water. I really hope that's right. I was just reading standards codes and trying to make the best sense of it. But it does seem like actually it sort of describes two separate. I'll reference one of our most hated videos because I did go to see one of the durability testing from the Apple labs.

38:24But yeah, the IP68 test has literally just put the phone underwater and close the tank. But the thing that they do to simulate depth because they don't have a 10-foot depth is they just close it, seal it, and add pressure. And so IP68 does include some amount of pressure. IP69 is just way more pressure with those jets that they're hitting the phone with. Yeah, because five and six are jets of water not submerging, which is under the submerging of seven and eight. And then nine is close range, high temperature water jets. Yeah, I think when you say jets, they're like sprinkling water on the phone.