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14:57Marques Brownlee:they look Prada uh well okay there's two things about them that I think are weird one is the size obviously you're fitting a ton of compute in them and to their credit they have jammed a ton of compute in these things but they have these really big thick arms big thick rims and even over behind the ear there's extra weight sort of counterbalancing everything so 130 grams is pretty heavy for something you're going to wear on your face that's supposed to feel clear if it's a VR headset maybe you're expecting you know heavy but the glasses are kind of heavy the other thing though is every single one of these pictures i've seen pictures and videos it i can't see quite through to his eyes very well i don't know if it's the wave guys or if something about the glass that they're using but i it doesn't feel like i'm looking at someone wearing glasses it feels like i'm looking at someone who's wearing i mean they might as well just be wearing a headset like yeah i'm not making real eye contact you know what i mean like this is from the pictures i'm seeing maybe there's just a ton of lights in the room there's video too and it cracks me up

15:53David Imel:every time i see him like turn his head around and smile and yeah they look like fogged over

15:57Marques Brownlee:or something yeah so those are the two things that i noticed that would turn me off from um giving a chance and obviously these are still super early and the the devil's advocate for these is well at some point they're going to be really good and then we'll all want these because they'll be really nice and this is just the early adopter version um to which i say yes this is the really really early adopter from a company from a company that doesn't really have any usable applications for day-to-day use like that that's what seems very confusing to me about this is that evans positions them as a wearable computer to do what exactly in snapchat like snapchat's ui and ar and whatever right they don't have like applications like apple has with the vision not even not even apple has with vision bro which apple doesn't really have that many applications for the Vision Pro, but at least you can use Safari.

16:48Yeah, some big ones. Messages. Got a YouTube app now. There's a YouTube app now. You can watch movies. There's actually, there's a little utility to the Vision Pro. What do you actually do in these besides Snapchat?

16:59Marques Brownlee:Yeah, that's my question. From what I remember, I mean, there's a bunch of these, there's lenses and there's a bunch of, it felt like applications and I'm not remembering everything. I'll have to go back and watch my own video just to refresh my memory. But there were some apps and there were some developers who are making things that work with these glasses, but it wasn't in the name of productivity usually. It was typically just like, here's a thing that we built that takes advantage of AR. So like my computer screen is not in there. My documents aren't in there. My browsers and YouTube videos are not in there.

17:26Marques Brownlee:But it's just a couple experiences. This is kind of analogous to the Windows phone. Because if there's no developers making actual things that people use every day and like porting their stuff to it, what do you do with it?

17:37David Imel:It's a confusing thing because he says there's 450 ,000 developers creating for Snap AR. but like that obviously is including the Snapchat AR that they've had for years. So like, I don't think I need a pair of glasses that are gonna play the dancing hot dog guy in a 50 degree field incision. This is the primary use case of the glasses. Like, I'm sure there is more. I'm sure there's some stuff, but none of that can get past. I think calling it thick is an understatement. They're like, if you took glasses and made them bold and then still one and a half X'd them, like they just do not fit on his head.

18:12David Imel:his ears are absolutely crushed yeah there's an interview of him on cnbc that is brutal and he literally looks like he's like moving down his head like throughout the whole thing and i honestly think it's because of the weight of the glasses they stick out like four inches past your ear with these big i mean it's cool that they fit all that i know that it's a huge tech advancement yeah for where it is but two years ago these were really cool because it was a prototype that we see where they're going now it's a twenty two hundred dollar thing that a person can buy and it's going to get made fun of because of that yeah i uh i think that it's it's cool that they were able to pack that much technology into the into the glasses and if you if you were to compare these to like an actual wearable computer like a vision pro and you said oh we basically packed most of the vision pros technology into thick arguably very thick glasses it's still like shrinking down the tech by a lot.

19:06Marques Brownlee:For sure. That's what I was going to say. There are two ways to look at this dimensions, and one of them makes them look really impressive, and the other makes them look really bad. The really impressive one is, okay, these glasses are 130-something grams, and Envision Pro is 700 or 800 grams, and this doesn't have a puck. This has all the compute, all the sensors, all the chips, all the batteries, everything all built in at 130 grams. That's actually kind of insane. It is. Really impressive technical feat. The other angle is Ray-Ban metas with the cameras in them and the batteries and the compute for that are, according to Google, about 50 grams.

19:45Marques Brownlee:So you're wearing, and the X-Reels, which I just showed you, which feel too heavy. They're a little bit front heavy, but I wouldn't want to wear them all day. And they have the electrochromic glass and the tint and everything. Those were in the 90 gram range. So these being 130 is not an all day product. And they have a separate compute. Exactly. In my opinion, it's better.

20:10David Imel:Using your phone or not? Yeah, using your phone. It's cool that they can do it. Using your phone, I don't think it's that big of a deal because we have it. The tether, not having that is huge. I totally agree. But by saying these all compute by themselves and these don't have a tether or they don't have a puck, they still have to be glasses at the end of the day and they just look so uncomfortable. No part of him wearing that in any of those interviews, does he look like he's having a good time with them?

20:36Marques Brownlee:I don't know who it was. Someone sent a picture of Danny DeVito and they missed out on having him wear the glasses. I think, yeah, the closest thing to this is like HoloLens, right? Because it's a standalone device that you wear when you want to do certain tasks, but it's not necessarily like a, like, they're kind of angling them as a thing that you just wear every day. Yes, that's my problem. That's the mistake. That's the mistake.

20:58David Imel:I have a quote from him. He says, during that CNBC interview he says um the goal for these are to bring computing into the world and make it more human i think it's something people are really looking for where screens are distracting them and people are spending more than seven hours a day staring at a screen and spending instead of spending time with their friends he's saying that with two giant screens glued to his eyeballs where the interviewer can't even see his eyes that would have hit so much harder if the glasses were clear i know like it feels like more of separation because now i just can't see your eyes i don't know if you're looking at something also you can't spend seven hours a day staring at them because it has a four hour battery life so like i don't know is it four hours or two hours it's four hours for four hours okay yeah and he wants you to spend 14 hours a day staring into the screens so okay i'm gonna be devil's advocate here i think these are dope because they are specifically an apple vision pro alternative i don't see them as a meta glasses alternative like i'm not expecting anyone to wear these walking around all day that these are developers that are building the future of AR, just like Apple Vision Pro, no matter what Apple wants to say, regular people aren't using that.

22:03David Imel:That's for developers building the future of AR.

22:05Marques Brownlee:I agree with you. And that's kind of how I view these. It's just not how they position them. Exactly, yeah. Their positioning is where they messed up. Their positioning is really bad. Yeah, so that's, so I remember years ago, way back at the beginning of this ARXR thing, we talked about the spectrum of like, on one side of the spectrum, there's VR headsets. Oh, yeah. Where you're obviously not gonna walk around in them. They're an opaque thing with like pass-through cameras and you put it on, you're fully immersed and they're heavy and you watch a movie in it for an hour or whatever, wear it for work.

22:31Marques Brownlee:That's one side of the spectrum. And on the complete other side of the spectrum is glasses with a tiny bit of tech in them. Maybe a camera and a speaker and a battery and some compute.

22:42David Imel:Like mono screen.

22:43Marques Brownlee:And they're transparent. There's no screen. The absolute basic total other side of the spectrum. Those you can actually see people putting on and wearing for half a day, an entire day. and then companies in order to get to this future of like you know the future of ar computing have to decide which part they want to start with to get to the future and i think if you position yourself in the wrong way you're kind of doomed and you have to start over so vision pro is where apple chose to start they're going to eventually do glasses someday we all suspect these are kind of like i mean he's wearing them as if they're supposed to be regular glasses he's having conversations with people, he's doing interviews with people, wearing the glasses as if they're not a, like if this was a Vision Pro, you'd be like, what are you doing?

23:28Marques Brownlee:So they're positioning them very clearly as a thing that you can wear and walk around and live your life because it's glass and it's AR and they're in the world around you. But then they look like it's just a little too much for that. So they're kind of in the middle.

23:42David Imel:They're in the middle, which is like where they want to land. It's very clear. In his interview, he said like that almost that exact same thing. We want to be in the middle. I think the problem is when you have to describe things as wear them like glasses instead of wearing them as glasses because that's what they are. It's just proof that none of us are looking at this and thinking this is a pair of glasses.

24:00Marques Brownlee:I guess my question is as a regular consumer is why do they need to announce this like very publicly? Could this not just be an email within like a community space for the targeted audience? Yeah, that's what I was about to say. that again with their positioning problem they're saying we're going to sell these to consumers which is a bad move like the hololens was always for enterprise and enterprise only and selling these direct like direct to consumer going on cnbc and be like look at our big consumer like what are you doing consumers are not going to buy this 2200 bucks implies a lot of tech and a lot of functionality and usefulness and i tweeted this like there are actually two things you have to overcome you have to overcome the price and how dorky they look.

24:43Marques Brownlee:If there are some amazing utilities or some incredible functionality or productivity things that it does that makes you want to do that, then you're willing to go, okay, I know it looks like ridiculous, but look at this amazing functionality. Same with the price. I know it's$2 ,000, but I don't have to use a MacBook Pro anymore. It's$2 ,000. I don't see that with these, and maybe I'll be proven wrong. Maybe there's some development happening. Maybe there's some amazing apps that I haven't seen with these spectacles yet. But I think that's what it needs to overcome how ridiculously bad they look and how expensive they are.

25:17Yeah, we don't really even know anything about the app ecosystem or functionality yet. So waiting to see that. We'll see that. Hopefully they send us a pair so we can look stupid for a while.

25:26David Imel:I'm sure they'll love to after they hear what we just said about it.

25:30Marques Brownlee:At a different place in this world, we still have Xreel's AR glasses they just launched, which are running Android XR. So we know the ecosystem. It's the Play Store. so it's whatever you want to do in the play store and all the stuff that's optimized for android xr that's actually pretty interesting now like google maps has this this cool optimized android xr version you can fly down into street view and look around and then and pinch and zoom and walk around it's kind of interesting um but yeah i did some of this i covered these actually on the latest dope tech episode so if you want to watch that there's about two or three minutes in there about these.

26:04Marques Brownlee:Again, 90 grams, you know, 70 something degree field of view. Micro OLED displays, it looks pretty good. They're high resolution. And I think my favorite feature is you can like soft body lock a video in the corner of revision with you and walk around with it. So instead of like having to pinch and hold and walk around carrying the video, you can like watch waveform in the corner of revision while you actually wash dishes because you're just looking through glass.

26:30David Imel:Which is exactly how I watch it anyway when I'm doing dishes. it's perfect it's right next to the sink yeah that's such a simple thing like so many of vr ar is like how do you pin things to a spatial place that's in your actual environment and this is just like right don't just put it in my corner and then it stays with me and i can see it i don't need to move it around yeah exactly which the x-rays were were cool because they can do pinning to different um places in the environment like it was a really neat i still want to call it a demo of what android xr was because these glasses i also don't think are things you're walking around with every day no yeah they they look very similar to some previous x reels where even though the shape is smaller and the the weight is lighter it still just fits really strangely off the front of your

27:14Marques Brownlee:face because it has to fit those windows yeah i've i've always thought of these as closer to a vr headset even though they don't look like it they're very much like a put a screen on your face type of thing.

27:23David Imel:Sit down at a desk, an airplane, a train, get yourself a private larger screen. They're nice on a plane.

27:29Marques Brownlee:Yeah. I think they'd be nice on a plane. Wasn't the previous version the one Ellis was like fully locked in? Yeah, because they were plugged into a few of these. Yeah. Actually, it might have been those or Nreal or something like that, but a lot of them were like, they're plug and play. Just Xreal, but they changed it.

27:43David Imel:Yeah. But when we were using Nreal it was actually for the third person video that we did. Right. I think Ellis is more locked into the meta Quest Pro for a while, but the nreal ones were very awesome because like they were super plug and plug you just plug your phone in it's there yeah these the whole puck thing that just looks like a phone including it essentially has a like hole punch cut out on the front was just very funny to me yeah it's cool

28:09Marques Brownlee:that's a touch screen you can plug that plug into something else like uh like your phone or actually even better what i did was plug it into my laptop so that my laptop screen became one of the things in the virtual space. That's cool. So that was - I'll try that. A legitimately interesting, like 80 % of the stuff that I would do with this is just being on a plane. Yeah. Like I want to go on a plane and I have to edit a video that's embargoed so nobody around me on the plane can see it. So I would just plug it into these. The screen would go black here and it would just show up in my glasses and I could edit the video on the plane.

28:39Marques Brownlee:That's smart. Stuff like that. Yeah. I still wonder about the utility of these things. I guess for that, it makes sense. Because we're watching a movie.

28:48David Imel:We don't have a price on these yet, right?

28:50Marques Brownlee:Uh, no, but they promised me that they would be under the price of a full Galaxy XR headset, which makes sense. Okay. Because that's like$1 ,800. That's like two Gs. Well, that's already cheaper than the Snap, the Spectacles. So the Galaxy XR is$1 ,800, I think. So this is ideally$1 ,800. People are related to like, people need to get that utility curb up there. Like they need to figure out the utility real hard because putting these things on your face has a very high goofiness scale. It is.

29:19David Imel:I do like the electrochromatic tint because the old NREALs we used to have just came with a cover that you put over top of the glass to get the faded black background so everything popped more yeah okay well speaking of gosh you can do this fabric digital fabric okay is that something I could say speaking of things made in the universe speaking of things that matter that's true honestly thank you you really saved me on that one matter 1.6 okay you guys have heard me talk about matter before i love protocols we love protocols

29:56Marques Brownlee:here at the way form podcast it's more than the fediverse corner it's the protocol corner yes expanded fediverse corner yeah but it's because the fediverse is dead so we can just it's not dead this into the protocols corner hey metas tried to kill it many times and they're still trying to kill it they've stabbed it it's bleeding openly but it's not dead yet Wemby stomping on a JCL. Yeah, Wemby stomped on the Fediverse corner JCL. No, no, no, no. Hey, hey, hey. Okay. Matter matters. You guys might remember Matter protocol, smart home protocol. You probably don't like going to the store, you know, being like, oh, I like this smart bulb.

30:31It's cool. But then you see works with Amazon Alexa. I have Google Homes in my home, which we'll talk about later because Google Home is also a feature on this podcast today. Matter is supposed to be this just like, oh it works with google home it works with amazon alexa it works with home kit amazing they've stumbled quite a bit with this future um i was i remember looking forward to this yeah

30:54Marques Brownlee:we were i remember having the little glimmer in my eyes that's how all protocols start marquez i'd go to home depot like someday these lights will all talk to each other they'll all talk to each other so the early version of matter basically how it worked is that you would still set up in one of the Google Home apps or the Amazon Alexa app or the Siri HomeKit app. But then you had to share the device with other apps through the Matter Protocol, which used a thread border router. It was sort of like - Thread. Yeah, thread, Matter over thread. Sort of like tacking on a bunch of little protocols onto existing things.

31:34It was like Velcroing something to more Velcro. 100%. 100%.

31:39Marques Brownlee:Situation, there are 14 protocols. We should make one that encompasses all of these. Situation, there are 15 protocols. Okay, Matter 1.6 is supposed to fix this problem. They have this new feature called Joint Fabric, which should allow any smart device on the network to just automatically show the device that you set up, which is a big deal. Anything? Anything. Anything? Allegedly. Supposed to. Supposed to, allegedly. um now all these companies obviously have to support this this uh joint fabric thing i feel like that's always the roadblock you say that line i know it's like now all the companies are supposed to support this i know now we have 15 but if you okay if you remember if you remember the entire reason that google and apple and amazon decided to support matter was especially especially Apple.

32:32They went way too hard on certifying every single HomeKit device and then they realized like we don't have the infrastructure to like certify every single one that's good enough for us. So it's easier if Amazon just like makes all these smart home things and we can utilize it. We can tap into it. We don't have to deal with any of this stuff. So Apple, I think, still has incentive. Whether Google or Amazon now still have as much incentive to support matter similarly to how meta at one point had some incentive to support the fediverse and now just doesn't. Yet to be seen. Yes. Boo them every day.

33:10Anyway, it does bring some other benefits. There is now NFC setup, which is very good. I had a Samsung smart plug. Congrats. It had a QR code on the back of the smart plug. Yeah.

33:24Marques Brownlee:So you can't scan it while it's plugged in. Yes. It's pretty classic. That was the most did they even test this thing I've ever seen in my life because I can't find it when it's not getting power. Yeah. I have this incredibly frustrating, also incredibly boring situation where I've gone through several smart locks in my garage. I have this one door. It's like really far from all the other appliances. It's far from the Wi-Fi, but I just want to have a smart lock there. and every time I try to set one up, it's like, well, I have to connect to something else on the network and I'll unplug a doorbell and walk over and wave it into a lock.

34:03Marques Brownlee:Nothing ever really gets it to connect and I'm just hoping that someday one of these protocols, man, they're gonna fix everything. Unplugging a doorbell sounds crazy. Someday one of these protocols. Because I have a Nest battery doorbell. Yeah, yeah, dumbest thing ever. It's so stupid. When I die on my tombstone, I really want you to write someday one of these protocols is going to fix

34:25David Imel:everything. That's all I want on my team. I feel like random smart home gadgets are the most often Claire will find me just like sitting cross-legged on the floor. Watching a YouTube tutorial. Everything okay? I'm fine. The cool thing about this new NFC setup though is that you can pair to the device before you even power the device on. So this problem that I have where they put the QR code on the back, that's not a problem that won't theoretically allegedly won't be a problem anymore um companies like eve have been offering matter upgrades for a long time and now they sell direct they used to be like a home kit only company but now they're doing matter which is good for them because they can just be like hey we're available on everything and then matter can be like hey look at our big you know these guys are supporting matter people um so that's nice so hopefully we're gonna see a lot more products like that also one more thing the thread protocol of which matter you know because matter over thread that's how the whole thing matter happening over thread yeah yeah i've explained this to my dead grandma she understands it she understands it um there's a new thread update it's called thread direct and it allows you because now i think we did a short about this a while ago there are now there are hidden thread radios now in like new iphones new pixels and new Samsung phones.

35:44And now you won't have to have a thread border router to set up the device because previously in order to set up a matter enabled device over thread, you had to have, well, you still have to have this, but not to set up. You had to have a Google Nest Wi-Fi Pro, which is a thread border router or a Apple TV, which is the thread border router or some Alexa devices, whatever they're called. I don't even remember. And now you can just set it up directly from your phone, which is really helpful. and you can deal with all the networking stuff later. But you can at least get it set up on the thread network and then matter will work afterwards.

36:20Allegedly. Allegedly. So yeah, this is all extremely alleged. Did get announced this week. We'll see how long it takes to actually get implemented. Please God.

36:32David Imel:It's one of those things where like, I really hope this works, but this working just means things work. It kind of sucks that when all of this goes perfectly, there'll be no big hype around it because it just won't be banging my head against the wall setting up a smart one. It's like the IT guy, man. It's like nobody appreciates the IT guy until you got a real big problem. Until things are broken, yeah.

36:54Marques Brownlee:Can I get a vibe check? What percentage of your guys' homes run on smart things like this? Like if they were to just not work, could you function?

37:03David Imel:Percentage is hard because...

37:05Marques Brownlee:Yeah, the percent is hard, but I do have several pretty important. like my doorbells are all smart doorbells. I mean, that's fine, but like if the internet goes out, I guess I don't get... Like if someone rings the doorbell, I just won't. Oh, yeah.

37:19David Imel:Luckily, there's something called knocking, so we're good there. If there's a doorbell...

37:22Marques Brownlee:Manual doorbell. People just don't knock anymore. They just hit the doorbell, yeah. So that would be bad.

37:26David Imel:I think the only thing that would screw me is the lights in my living room because that's a smart switch. Yeah. All of my lights are on my smart home, which is a problem because occasionally it does glitch out and I just can't turn my lights off. So sometimes I sleep in the bright light. Are they smart bulbs or smart switches? Smart switches. Good. Smart switches are the best, except for that issue. They're smart plugs, sorry. Oh, and like lamps in a smart plug? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can still press the button on the side, right? You just have to go to... No. All my smart plugs have a button on the side that can put it on or off.

38:03The Eve ones that I have are on the side.

38:04Marques Brownlee:You can do it, but the Samsung one's on the back. I do have one. I have exactly one smart outlet and every year around the holidays the Christmas tree goes in that one and it turns on a certain hour, turns off at a certain hour. Oh, nice. Why don't you use that for other things? Like what? Like lamps that you don't want to put a smart bulb in. Lamps. I don't really use lamps. What? I don't think I... I'm sorry. Wait, what? I don't think I have any lamps.

38:29David Imel:What's the meme of like, I don't like the big lights, I just like the little lights? Yeah.

38:33Marques Brownlee:You don't have a single lamp in your house?

38:35David Imel:What? No. What? How? To be fair, I think my lamps are plant lamps. Yeah, I don't have those either.

38:42Marques Brownlee:We got windows and we got a big switch.

38:44David Imel:They're also 5600 Kelvin. You use your overhead lights? You get natural sunlight? No, I don't get natural. I live in the basement. You don't use your overhead lights. Yeah. Or just windows. Sometimes I just don't turn the lights on because it's bright. Because the sun. I would do that if I had windows. Anyway. Great. That's great.

39:07It is time for trivia. Cellar dweller over here. Snap has launched multiple things under the Snapchat umbrella.

39:15David Imel:But which of these is not real? A. Snapchat Apple Watch app. Self-explanatory. Snapcash. A feature that lets users send and receive money to each other through private messaging. Snapcode. Customizable way to add friends via usernames. Snaptracks with an X. mini beat machine app inside of Snapchat. That's definitely real.

39:38Marques Brownlee:All right. That's cool. Which one and one of them is fake? One of them is fake. One of them is fake. Okay. In honor of Ellis still on vacation. We will learn at the end. Answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.

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42:37It feels good to Geico. What's up? Welcome back. We got to talk about the Google Home speaker that launched in the spring, but actually the summer. I don't know if you guys remember, but during the October Google Made by Google event last year, they announced a very very nice looking new google home speaker uh it comes in basically all the same colors as the fitbit air which is very nice although half of them are exclusive to the u.s for some reason realize that yeah the good colors are exclusive to the us like the berry and the i believe the green one are the exclusive u.s colors i don't know why they have weird color names like jade and porcelain and stuff but yeah jade porcelain berry yeah so this is effectively their first gemini first speaker that's the big deal it has a glowing led strip on the bottom that will kind of illuminate and dance when you're talking to gemini and instead of being the classic you know google four color combo it's sort of that blue purple look um it's supposed to have 360 degree audio you can pair them to each other you can if you're pair it to a google tv streamer you can use it for surround sound audio they say the audio is a lot better uh but the main things honestly are the Gemini reasoning now there's a lot more things that you can do with this just like there are a lot more things you can do with Gemini over Google Assistant for example you can say turn off all the lights except the bedside lamp so you can make exceptions you can say dim the kitchen lights play some more relaxing music and set a 20 minute timer so you can chain together reasoning that's pretty cool turn on the coffee maker I mean turn it off you can say I mean and kind of interrupt it in the middle.

44:13That's great. What's the weather going to be like for the next Mets game? That's pretty cool because it understands where it is, when it is. Yeah, currently if you ask Google for that,

44:24Marques Brownlee:it will absolutely, without question, get it wrong. What if I don't have any lamps in my house? That's a little unrealistic, Mariah. Everyone has some lamps in the house. Everyone's got a lamp. At least one lamp. And it's got to be a smart one as well. It will leave the mic open or on for a couple of seconds after you finish, after it finishes giving you the response so that you can continue a conversation with it. Huge. Very useful. By the way, I was testing this on Siri yesterday. I was walking over the Manhattan Bridge and I was trying to like ask Siri some questions, but it will just give you the response.

44:57And then every time you have to say, hey, S again, just to continue the conversation, really annoying. I would really like it if you just keep it going. So that's cool.

45:07Marques Brownlee:Yeah, it doesn't, that's a good point. It doesn't have a live mode. Whenever you open like Gemini, you can open a Gemini live chat and it's just back and forth conversation. It's always listening. You can keep talking. You can interrupt it and ask another question and it'll keep going. And Siri does not have a like chat mode. No. They all do. No. Yeah, they're going to need to add that, I think. Yeah. There are 10 new voices so you can really, you know, get very specific with the way that you want your Google Assistant Gemini to sound. You could make it Australian. You could make it Marques as an Australian.

45:37Of course.

45:38David Imel:I'm not sure if either of those are true. I think the Australian is 100%. Is the Australian true? Australian is true on every single one. I would know. If I could have Marques as an Australian as the assistant, I would 100 % pay for that. I'll do some recordings for you. Thank you. Google is now also selling a Google Home Premium subscription, starting at$10 a month. Does not give you that much. I don't really understand why people are going to want to pay for this, but it gives you Gemini Live, which you already have on your phone, again. I also don't completely understand the difference between this and the microphone just being left on and then you continuing the conversation.

46:15Google says it lets you say, hey, G, let's chat to have free flowing chats.

46:20Marques Brownlee:Yeah. So like when you have it's the same, it's kind of the same as on the phone. When you open Gemini and just ask it one question and then it gives you a response and then maybe listens a little longer for another. Yeah. That's one thing. But when you open the like chat, the full Gemini Live thing, that's what, hey, let's chat does. Yeah. Then you can interrupt it while it's talking back to you. You can ask unrelated questions and then ask it about previous questions. It's like this whole live. And same thing with the ChatGPT app and others. They all have this just talking version. Could you not do that if you were just talking to it normally, though?

46:52Marques Brownlee:I don't think you can interrupt it. I don't think it's quite the same full-featured chat experience.

46:56David Imel:It feels more like order-based, like telling it what to do or asking specific things. All of those have a specific outcome.

47:03Marques Brownlee:Yeah, it's like when you're planning to have a multi-response conversation with it, where you don't really know where you're going, that's when I would do the live thing. When you're just asking for one thing or two things, then you just ask it. The main reason I use Gemini Live on my phone is because I want to show it something in the real world. Like if I'm having a technical issue and I'm like, this is the thing I'm having a problem with, or this is what's on my screen, can you tell me about whatever? Yeah, I've asked it about like researching things that I don't know about. so I'll ask you like basic high level questions and then dig in after that.

47:36Marques Brownlee:So it's like, tell me about these paint colors and like is it bad to use these types of paint colors and why is it bad to use these types of paint colors and then I just ask follow up questions. But I feel like you could do that with the regular one. I probably could. Yeah. But that seems like the biggest difference. I'm just like if this is behind a paywall it just like you really have to add value I would feel like. Totally. I don't know. Other things you get with the Gemini the Google Home Premium subscription you get camera history search so you can ask your speaker to describe current or recent activity captured on your nest cams like, hey G, is my back gate open?

48:09Or hey G, did my dog go on the couch today? I don't know why you would need to know that. That was literally one of Google's examples, by the way.

48:18Marques Brownlee:It's just narking on your dog. Did the raccoons take the trash? There are home briefs so you can ask Gemini what happened in your home while you were away.

48:28David Imel:If that's anything like the home briefs that it gives me in the Nest app right now, it will take forever. So Nest Aware, which is the paid subscription, is becoming Google Home Premium. Yeah. So it'll be just like that. It's terrible. Yeah. So bad. Really, really long. I literally, I mean, I pay for it because I just want the, I've probably ranted about this before, so I'm sorry, but I just want the history, the events being labeled, which half of them are wrong anyways. And then like the other, also the thing's just not good at catching things sometimes. I sent you guys all the picture of the bear walking past my front door.

49:03David Imel:It walks right past the other camera. No event capture or anything. A light breeze. But yeah, but then every time I go to look at it I have to go through this four paragraph essay of like, this morning a woman and a girl walked out the front door. It's like, my wife and my daughter that you've seen 4 ,000 times that are logged in there. It's just too long. And I can't imagine it saying that out loud. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of strange. Yeah. I have a sort of theory slash conspiracy theory. Sounds like it's a conspiracy theory. Wait, wait. It's more of a theory. Let me get my tinfoil hat. Yeah, get it.

49:40Okay, continue. Okay, I don't really think that Google wants you to buy Google Home Premium or Google Health Premium or any of their small$10 bespoke premium feature things because Correct. they're like they just keep adding value to the google ai pro google drive subscription yeah because it comes with all this stuff they want enough of the ten dollar ones to add up to making the ai thing which is twenty dollars by the way so like it's basically like we've we talked before about like price ladders and stuff like that yeah but i feel like this stuff would normally be free but they're only slapping a price tag on it because they want you to pay for the ai pro subscription so they say they have more gemini users so that they can keep getting investment for artificial intelligence i'm mostly mostly on board with that i think they have to have

50:35Marques Brownlee:a way for it to be standalone as literally your only product like you have a google account and just that speaker and you want to be able to use it with no other anything yeah then i guess you

50:46David Imel:just have that one subscription or it'd be free right yeah but i think they are pricing it

50:52Marques Brownlee:specifically to be like, well, for just a few more dollars, I could just have this whole account with all this stuff in it. Yeah. I mean, Google AI Pro comes with five terabytes of drive storage. Almost full minus. Terabytes? Terabytes. So even if you do not care about Gemini, which is what it, you know, it's AI Pro and it comes with Gemini Pro and all these Gemini features, and it comes with Google Health Premium, it comes with Google Home Premium, even if you don't want any of that other stuff, regular people want the storage. Yeah. You know what I mean? So in my opinion, like they're only throwing price tags on these things in order to get more AI subscribers.

51:25Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Yeah. I think I buy. Yeah.

51:28David Imel:Yeah. I'm buying for sure. And I think that it's really smart of them to use Google Drive as the main workhorse on this. Because that's the thing that most people like Marquez, why are you almost filled up with your five terabytes of storage?

51:39Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Because like my Gmail of like the past 20 years of Gmail and my Google Photos are at like 4.9 terabytes right now. And photos are like the thing that most people care most about. And they take up so much space. Such a long-term game for like all of these companies. Giving you like... Buy our Pixel phone. You can get it for free. I mean, never mind.

51:59David Imel:Unlimited high-definition storage with the Pixel 4. Technically, if you upload the photos from the Pixel 1, you still get unlimited storage through it. But for how long? Still. I know damn well I'm not still using the Pixel 1. People have been buying them on eBay though.

52:12Marques Brownlee:and like if you transfer anything from your pixel from any phone to the pixel and then upload from the pixel it doesn't count against your storage if you're from Google stop listening right now it takes a lot of work

52:24David Imel:I can make an AI swap all that if I just get Google AI Pro yeah just tell Gemini Spark to do it then we're good anyway they cost $99 which is the same price as the HomePod mini so I think that's kind of the market they're going after if you'll remember the Google Nest Hub mini they used to just throw through your window when you weren't looking. So this one, it seems like they think people might actually spend money on. They do look very nice. It is. The original Google Home was$129, right? Yes. I still have one that's kicking. But yeah, these could be... Oh, man. $99 feels expensive. The Nest Hub Mini was like$30, but it was competing with the Echo Dot, which was also$30.

53:06And the sound quality was terrible.

53:09Marques Brownlee:It'd be in like cereal boxes.

53:10David Imel:If these were$70, yeah. No, it really would. Every time you would buy any contract of an internet, whatever, it's like$100 of Google. And I would just be like, four Google Home Minis. This time, I moved so many times, like three or four times. And every time I set up a new internet, they would just send me another one. So I had like four. Black Friday, literally anything you bought came with a Google Home Mini. The receipts printed on? Yeah. Yeah. So anyway. One lamp, four Google Home Minis all trying to turn it on. Huh? Huh? Huh? Anyway. Anyway, so it got announced today. If you're listening to this, it was two days ago on Wednesday.

53:47But they said during the Made by Google event last October, it would be out in spring. Technically, it is still spring. If you're listening to this for two more days, it comes out on the 25th, which is technically the summer. So it's up to you whether or not you think that they actually made that margin or not. And how much that means to you. And how much that means to you. We're just trying to keep them accountable over here. Yeah. so yeah we should be getting review units pretty soon so we'll be able to let you guys know what's up stay tuned stay tuned

54:15Marques Brownlee:if you were curious HomePod's still crap yeah speaking of Google speaking of Google

54:21David Imel:can I jump in here yeah Google Android 17 is out and it's the greatest Android release of all time oh wow I'm calling it now oh wow at a glance is f***ing gone I removed it this morning and the weight off my shoulders is freeing I am a free man. For those who don't know. Everything is right in the world. At a glance is sayonara.

54:44Marques Brownlee:So this was the widget that was permanently on every Pixel's homepage for the past decade or so? Not that long. How long has that been? Pretty long. It feels like a decade. At least four or five years. Eternity is what it is. And you could just. It's been 84 years. Did anything crazy happen? Any fireworks show up? Or you just like removed it and it just went away and that was it?

55:02David Imel:I was like looking through all the changes. and then I forgot like wait the first thing I was excited about this beta as a go was at a glance and I I clicked it thinking there's a go yeah yeah I clicked it being like it might still not be there and I saw that removed from screen wow and I raised both my hands in the air and Adam was like what's going on I was like she gone this is life-changing what are

55:27Marques Brownlee:you gonna do with all that space you can put icons no I'm gonna leave it as space because

55:31David Imel:because that's what I've always wanted it to be. Maybe now actually I can move my clock to where my clock used to always be at the top and kind of spanning across, and I couldn't do that because of at a glance. So now I have it in this weird bottom corner. My clock can be anywhere I want it to be. It can just be free space. As someone who likes just a clean background, I don't need to have the date that's already on the screen somewhere else. As we said before, poor use of space. Poor use of space. But there are a lot of other updates. I know they're not as important.

56:02Marques Brownlee:No, no. That's the headliner. There's some other. Not nearly as important. We got a new floating bubble window thing. Android has tried to do bubbles many times. This one is kind of tailored specifically at foldables. They're on regular Android phones as well. You can now make any app a bubble, so it kind of just floats above your other apps. And if you are on a large screen device, which is like a tablet or a foldable phone, which because Android is really leaning into foldables, you now have a bubble bar. and I do like that set of words together. You want to see it.

56:34David Imel:It can do up to four apps and then once you do it it'll start knocking off the oldest one but the coolest part oh sorry I didn't show Marquez C4 and other floating windows the coolest part is when you drag it around it just has this cool animation It's like the Windows XP when it would freeze. Like physics based too like if you go slow they all go slow but if you go fast they all go really fast. Is this built into

56:56Marques Brownlee:has this been built into like third party skins on Android? because I feel like this isn't new. Bubbles are not new. Chat bubbles are not new. They were only for messaging apps. Right. Yeah. So this is any app. Yeah. Not any app, but most apps.

57:10David Imel:I have a couple of random ones that won't do it. Interesting. The Hyperice one doesn't do it. That's weird. Which doesn't really. Maybe it's an API. It's probably. There's some smaller ones, like a weather app I have that doesn't. Oh, no, that one does. But yeah. Weird. Yeah. So yeah, there's a bubble bar. if you have a foldable phone where it will just kind of be docked in the lower right corner. I feel like this is going to look kind of weird on Android sometimes because now, doesn't Android 16, didn't that introduce the dock on the foldable phones? At the bottom, yeah. So now if you've got a dock of regular apps and a bubble bar of other apps.

57:48But the bottom dock hides. Oh, it hides.

57:51Marques Brownlee:Bubble bar. Yeah. Okay, if it hides like, Does the bubble bar hide? No. It just stays. You put it wherever you want.

58:00David Imel:Bubble bar. But I find it useful because, for example, if you're watching an NBA sports game like myself, and then you're texting with your friends, you can quickly pull up the group chat, hit the group chat, say Wemby is freaking not getting those fouls. Those refs are not calling those fouls. Tell them. Trying to break those ACLs. Talk about it. Nah. Nah. It actually, when you've got four apps, it almost becomes this quick switch. Because it takes up 80 % of the screen, and then you can swap between the apps pretty easily.

58:35Marques Brownlee:What four apps are you swapping between? Discord.

58:37David Imel:Do it now. Discord, Reddit. Slack, Reddit. I'm watching how many times Evan Spiegel looks stupid with those glasses on. You could say that this is like a sort of a minimal phone launcher in a way. If you just keep the bubble bar open, the bubble bar, then you just have those four apps that you swap. Would you say having four apps open simultaneously is a minimal phone feature? As long as they're non-social media apps. I don't know. Something like that. All right. There's other features, too. There's other features, too. So we're going to say, oh, yes. There's a foldable gaming mode. So now if you have a foldable phone, you open it up.

59:12It splits the screen in half. So half of it is the game and half of it's a virtual game pad, which actually has a skin on it and doesn't just look like dumb. Gamers can't afford this. Now you can. If you're a gamer, you cannot afford this. I'm glad to tell you that if you're a gamer, you can now afford this. If you can afford a folding phone. If you have a$2 ,000. Which, maybe you can't afford this. So that's kind of cool. I still think that the adaptable game pads and also just Bluetooth ones are way better because I hate slamming my fingies against the screen. I really hate doing that. I've tried multiple times.

59:43It's not fun. It's uncomfortable.

59:45David Imel:Yeah, but it makes for a good marketing ploy. It does. Like, there's something about a folding screen with a fake gamepad that makes you go like, that 3DS is sick. I mean, that pixel fold. Yeah, true. Okay, there is... Now, you can grant apps temporary location access, which is good because before it was just like permanent location access or no location access. And you can only share specific contacts instead of your entire address book. So, if you really don't want apps to know all the stuff about you all the time, you have a little bit more control. There's now a new Mark as Lost feature in FindHub, which is sort of their find my kind of portal thing for your phone where you can lock the phone so you can only unlock it with biometrics.

1:00:28And they said the reason was because if the thief knows your passcode, which is the entire point of a passcode, so I'm not really sure why the thief would know your passcode, but maybe they did. You can make it so they can only unlock it if they're using a biometric login. So I guess that's kind of cool.

1:00:41David Imel:What if he has your finger? Yeah, then you're kind of screwed. Maybe they need blood flow. Did they even test this? Yeah, it was kind of like when they came out with the face unlock and people were just unlocking their spouse's phones while they were sleeping. Anyway. You can also hide app names on home screen. Yes. I have a request. Yes. I really want, I don't know, none of you guys use folders on your docs, right? I do not. Okay. No. Do you know how you can name the folder? No, not on the doc. I'm not a psycho. On your doc? Oh, wait, we've done this before. We've done this before. So in the doc, it doesn't show app names anyways.

1:01:18David Imel:Yeah. But inside a folder, you name folders and it shows up on the bottom, right? Like... I mean, mine shows up on top, but yeah, same thing. Okay. I don't want it to say anything. Yeah. But if you do nothing... It's still a poor use of space. It uses something, so you have to put a space in. But every time I open the folder, I can accidentally click that and then it brings the keyboard up, which I ain't trying to do. Just let me not name it. So give me hidden folder names. I'll text Michelle for you. Also, please. Thank you. That would be... That would be life-changing. All right, I'll text Michelle.

1:01:47David Imel:I already lost my place because I was mad about that no you're good there's a new resize bar and split screen that gives you arrows so you can kind of tick it up if you want to go like 70-30 it'll help it do that in steps instead I thought that was really cool I love this one separate wifi and mobile data tabs in quick settings so good I feel like they used to have that before they merged them. All these things I'm excited about were what it used to be. But it was so annoying if you wanted to disable Wi-Fi for only mobile data and have to click into. One of the worst changes they ever made. The first two things I did when I downloaded it this morning was at a glance and get mobile data as a separate quick setting.

1:02:36David Imel:It feels so good. There's a new screen recorder. There's a lot of UI updates with this that the quick setting now it kind of like brings up a bubble that is the screen recorder rather than like leaving you in quick settings as you leave with a couple different options it now defaults back to entire screen instead of singular app which i think most people want to do um there's new toggles for recording audio from device and microphone there's separate toggles which is really nice um you can change settings during the recording and like if you want to enable taps halfway through your recording you can go in and enable show taps that's nice um and when you're done recording There's just a new screen that lets you click edit, which will bring you into photos that it is already.

1:03:16David Imel:Or you can just delete the video straight up there if you decide you don't like it anymore, which is nice. We just talked about Apple parental changes last week. There's some new ones for Android as well. A lot of them are very similar. You can set screen amount time per day. You can create downtime schedules so it can lock a children's device at night. There are App Store filters based on content ratings. If, you know, like mature everyone, all those, it kind of has a list of those. You can limit time on specific apps or block apps entirely. And then through Family Link, you can do things that we just saw at the dub, like school time, app approvals, and approved contacts.

1:03:50David Imel:all great okay um i think that's kind of my list of things that got me excited i thought it was really crazy that michelle someone we've talked about is like a google leaker or just reporter for so long just straight up has a mega thread on android right now and saying like these are the changes we made it's like oh okay that's pretty awesome you're at google now but he has a mega thread on the our android reddit that says everything and i also watched a really good video from in-depth tech reviews of all the little visual changes. I mean, things he was catching were like, this pop-up now has an X to close out of it.

1:04:26David Imel:I did it before and he's showing 16 and 17 X to each other. Or like, monochrome theme mode, now all the darkers are like more dark. Things I would never guess, but just shout out to them. I enjoyed recapping all of that this morning because I was too busy stomping on At A Glance's grave.

1:04:46Marques Brownlee:Like parade around the house being like, it's going, it's going, it's going. Mom, look, it's gone. Lane's like, I don't know what you're talking about. All right. I got one more thing I want to share. It's actually a video I want to play for you guys, but I'm just going to play the audio and I want to get your reaction to it. Okay. This sound you're about to hear is from the all new 2027 Porsche Taycan, which has added e-shift. They are the newest electric car company to add fake gear shifts when you paddle shift. So it's like an eight speed simulated gears. The Taycan already made sounds, but now this is what your Taycan will sound like in 2027.

1:05:31David Imel:As a non-car person that does nothing to me. I don't. I don't get it. I'm not against it.

1:05:36Marques Brownlee:Do you guys, when you drive a quiet car, this is such a specific question, But like, why, why are we, maybe this is just a sign of the times. Why are we emulating gas car things? It seems insulting to emulate a gas car with such an obviously fake sound when it's obviously electric. Like it doesn't have the same emotion as a gas car. It doesn't have the vibrations of a gas car. Like is this, does it not give you vibrations? No, not really. Not really.

1:06:07David Imel:I think it could be like, why not own it? And the Taycan kind of did this before. I still never know if I'm pronouncing that right, by the way. So someone light me up in the comments. Tycan. Thanks for the engagement. Didn't they have different sounds? Just make fun sounds. You can do whatever you want. And your choice is old gas car.

1:06:28Marques Brownlee:Yeah. They had sound before. It was very spaceship-y. Famously, actually, the Taycan is one of the loudest electric cars on the outside. I can hear Taycans driving around my neighborhood because they just have this... this like sound that they play on the outside and it's fine. But they're never trying to sound like a gas car specifically. You might remember we had the Ioniq 5N here that did this, or we had that, the electric Dodge charger here that didn't do the gear shifts, but it had a gas car emulating speaker sound. And I, my theory is that this is very much going to be a sign of the time specifically when electric cars are not really popular yet, but car companies are trying to make them as familiar as possible to people who like gas cars by emulating gas cars and this is one of the things that they're doing is like oh yeah you can you can fake gear shift and it kind of sounds like your gas car even though it's

1:07:25David Imel:obviously not a gas car yeah the people that wanted to i have nothing against the sound of gas cars i i understand but that usually is like there's something involved in all of that that's a piece of machinery making that to emulate it. The people who like that piece of machinery don't want just the sound. They want the whole orchestra playing of everything. I also think we're far enough at EVs that we don't need to bring people over by being like look, it sounds like your car. There's so many other...

1:07:56Marques Brownlee:I think they feel like they have to just because they're not flying off the shelves. They're trying to find new ways to make them. because there's lots of other um i almost made an autofocus video about this but there's lots of other features that ev manufacturers will add that are specifically to mimic people who are this is their first electric car so when you take your foot off the accelerator that i think makes sense and it coasts instead of regenning that's to mimic a gas car when you're sitting at a stoplight and you take your foot off the brake and your car starts to creep forward i hate that that is a gas car thing it doesn't have to happen in an electric car but they will add torque and and actually start to roll you forward to mimic a gas car.

1:08:35Marques Brownlee:Why would they do that? Because that's what people are familiar with. They're taking away the good things that electric cars add to cars.

1:08:40David Imel:I will say the coasting off the brake, like when you go from a gas car to your first time in an EV car, you feel like a new driver because you're just like, like jerking forward and back getting used to it.

1:08:52Marques Brownlee:I think like that was the thing that I thought Tesla did really well is they just threw all that stuff out. Like back in the day, they were like, yeah, there's regen. Get used to it. It's more efficient and it adds range. that's right it's better one pedal driving instead of two pedals you almost never use your friction brakes yeah it's awesome and it doesn't it have creep mode but like that's off by default and there's no power button in the car yeah you just get in and it's on yeah like all these cars now have like a on button even though it's just like a it's an ipad like you just get in and it's on so we go in the complete other direction if they're gonna do these sounds i want a clutch I want a manual stick go all in this is pretty close to all in this is paddle shifting there's no third pedal but like

1:09:33David Imel:it's not the same I mean

1:09:35Marques Brownlee:you can redline it and lose torque does anyone have a fake clutch I don't think so you could do an e-clutch I don't know don't give them ideas why would you do that you can go all in at that point you're just why even I mean all of these are why even why are you buying an electric car in the first place if you want a clutch

1:09:54David Imel:that's true if you want a clutch we already have jalen brunson so i do feel like all the evs are basically like right now the selling point is this will totally drive itself or like this makes fake gas noises it's just like yeah what if they just drive well and last like a pretty long time we should just need to educate people on the fact that all of these ev features are good for your life and they're enjoyable to you yeah and i think they're

1:10:25Marques Brownlee:The way I've described it has always been that there are certain types of cars that are best to go electric. Because when you make a car electric, what happens? It gets bigger, it gets heavier, more expensive, but also it gets smoother and torqueier and more powerful and quieter than ever. Okay, so then any car that is already big and heavy and you want to be smooth and quiet, it's perfect. Escalade. SUVs. Big sedans. Like all those, when they went electric, it was the best version of that car that had ever been made. Although isn't the whole thing with the Escalade that it's super freaking loud?

1:11:01Marques Brownlee:No, that's just the Escalade V specifically. But the Escalades you see in Manhattan that are all like Uber Blacks, it's like the best Escalade ever now is the electric.

1:11:11David Imel:That's just like, this is a Yukon, but I can charge way more money for putting people in the back of it.

1:11:16Marques Brownlee:So sports cars are the worst possible car to go electric. Even though I feel like that's what people would want. Well, it's a really good method of propulsion, and I'm getting into the weeds already, but you get all your torque right away. It's very quick in a straight line, and a lot of the world records for acceleration are by electric cars. But people want a lightweight sports car. They want an engaging sports car. They want a small sports car. And none of these things are really the upside of electric cars. Yeah. So, yeah. They're trying stuff like fake gear ships. Yeah. just as someone who doesn't really care about cars that much but obviously like the look of a Porsche is still very very nice looking I would love a Porsche electric car this will convince a non-zero number of people to get a Taycan and we'll see how it goes we'll see how that goes probably one well it looks better than the Ferrari so that's all we gotta say by the way I had a question that I meant to ask on our Ferrari episode when we talked about the what is it called?

1:12:18The luce. Do you know why they called it the luce?

1:12:22Marques Brownlee:Nobody explained this. Yeah, it's Italian for, let me find this one.

1:12:24David Imel:They said light? No.

1:12:27Marques Brownlee:I'm Italian. I believe so. Light, yes, correct. I'm Italian. What about the light?

1:12:31David Imel:I mean, sorry, light.

1:12:33Marques Brownlee:Wait, isn't it heavier though because it's nevy? Oh, that's actually kind of a pun. I don't know if you're joking or not, but I think they mean like lights. They had this very... The light of God.

1:12:43David Imel:There's like a very marketing of like, they're doing it because this is like the light i actually didn't say the light at the end of the tunnel of where we're going to but light at the end of the tunnel is usually what you see before you die which was a really funny thing after the worst looking ferrari ever yeah i think it was

1:13:00Marques Brownlee:more of uh just uh like lights are electric like this is the the electrical okay thing i can see like in italian it meaning light i can see that just being a cool name but i just wanted to know because it sounded more like a luchador, you know, and I was like... If you've looked back at other Ferrari names, I mean, they're an Italian company, and they have extremely Italian names for all their models. They recently came out with a 12-cylinder car, and so they named it the Dodeci Cylindri. That's the name of the car. It's the 12-cylinder. Yeah. The Urus. That's Lamborghini. I mean, that's also Italian, but yeah.

1:13:39Marques Brownlee:Yeah. The Amalfi.

1:13:41David Imel:They just said, the light towards the future and innovation. The emalti is not end of the tunnel. True.

1:13:46Marques Brownlee:What does Yurus mean? Udus. I have no idea. What about the Toyota Yaris? Speaking of things that start with a T. T. Trivia. What else start with a T?

1:14:03Marques Brownlee:Tesla.

1:14:03David Imel:Oh, I thought that was an actual timeout. Timeout. I thought you needed it.

1:14:06Marques Brownlee:Toyota. Toyota. Temerario. I take timeouts. Tim Cook. What's up, gamers? What's up?

1:14:14David Imel:Mariah's here, by the way. I'm enjoying your guys' symmetrical shirts. The green? I wish I got the green memo. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's cool.

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1:17:12David Imel:talk about the uk social media ban because we got tagged a lot of uh on a lot of places to ask about this but we live in the u.s so i don't have too much to say about it so i quickly wrote down what I saw. We'll get a couple thoughts. But okay. Children under the age of 16 will be banned from using social media platforms like TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, and X. I believe this is supposed to be happening by next spring. Messaging apps like WhatsApp and Signal are not part of that. They will be doing possibly curfews for children under 18 that would require breaks at nighttime to stop infinite scrolling.

1:17:50David Imel:Ways to prevent children, there will hopefully also or in their eyes hopefully be ways to prevent children under 16 from talking to people on online games and the UK said in a statement that the policy will go further than any other country in restricting children's time online. One of the reasons they said this was because they claim big tech has had multiple opportunities to try and protect children but they have failed so that's why they're taking this on. I mean yeah. They're not wrong on that. Yeah. It's just generally when we see stuff like this the problem is is a lot of government officials just don't really understand the internet yeah so we have two separate forms of people that understand completely different things we have capitalists who want to make as much money as possible i don't care how old you are i don't care what you do as long as you spend time on app i make money yeah that's never going to be for us andrew manganelli 2026 and then you have government officials who are attempting to protect but generally probably pretty ignorant about all of this 86 years old yeah I have so many thoughts about this this is always a very nuanced topic anytime you bring kids into the equation it's always such a nuanced topic because it's like obviously we want to protect the kids obviously there's a lot of cyber bullying obviously there's a lot of bad stuff that kids can get into online and that predators can you know access children easily and whatever that's all bad but like but yeah and i know and it's really hard to have this conversation without people screaming at you um because it's very very nuanced but and we were having this conversation a little bit off the show but why is youtube included here yeah i i'm maybe biased i started i started on youtube when i was

1:19:38Marques Brownlee:15 but youtube was a very different place back then yes yeah and social media was a very different place back then and we mentioned like the infinite scrolling thing which is i think mostly what this gets at which is like the addictiveness of a lot of these platforms and how much time it makes people spend online yeah so that makes a lot of sense my angle though on youtube is like uh okay youtube does that mean you just straight up can't access youtube if you're under the age of 16 and they have to add some sort of a paywall or does that just mean you can't have an account in which case you're logged out and will get recommended way more insane exactly what hank green said and

1:20:13David Imel:I thought it was a really obvious take. It's like, yeah, you won't be able to make an account, but you can probably still log on to just YouTube with no account, watch things, and now the recommendations are all over the place. You actually will lose restrictions that people could possibly put on it. Yeah, yeah. Sorry.

1:20:30Marques Brownlee:Regionally, could they make that an option where you have to have an account? You would have to log in. Yeah, they could do that. They could force that. Possibly. It's all a big question. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, you know the movie Backrooms that came out recently? I have not seen it.

1:20:43David Imel:I only know about it because of you guys. I haven't seen it, but the director is 20 years old and he made his first short when he was 17. And all of that came from like a creepypasta that he like read online and was part of a community of people that were contributing to these horror stories. And that to me is a representation of the value that the internet and social media has brought to youth these days where they have so much access to creativity and learning at a very young age. right like when we were kids yeah google was like so new and the idea of going on a form and like finding answers to things was brand new and so the speed at which we could learn at was very walled off by the our access our ability to access information and the the two-sided coin the like two-sided two-face double-edged sword of all of this is like yes the benefit of infinite information is infinite information and you can you can get young young young people creating like amazing things because their brains are sponges and they soak up information way faster than us 30 year olds do on the other side of that coin unlimited information and unlimited all types of information it's not learning it's not all learning information it's not all educational a lot of it's really bad a lot of it's porn a lot of it is just like things that kids with brains that are not good at tuning and like filtering out what's good content versus bad content and you know what their dopamine receptors respond to that's what makes all of these

1:22:19Marques Brownlee:incredibly complex topics yeah i i always like to advocate for like some sort of built into education like internet literacy i kind of remember a little of that when i was growing up like learning how to google things i don't remember what age it was or what class it was but like explaining if you put no colon, then you could like, oh, right, exclude words from like your Google search where if you put them in quotes, then it will have to appear in that order and stuff like that, like how to search Google and then filter through your results and find primary sources versus secondary sources, all of that when I'm writing a paper.

1:22:51Marques Brownlee:I had to learn all of that. And I wonder, because I'm not in school and I don't have a kid, like how's that going? Are people, is it just out of control? Like there's AI, there's all sorts of changes in the way that you find information on the internet and it's just like, how do we teach kids how to navigate the internet? Maybe it's too hard. We just banned social media until they turned 16. Maybe that's the solution. Feels kind of heavy handed to me, but again, I don't have a kid, so I don't know.

1:23:16David Imel:I feel like all of us here can probably talk about our own success stories as being children of the internet and what we did back then. But like you said, it is so much different. In my high school years with how like overly like conscious i was of thinking everyone was always thinking like i can't imagine that day and age now with social media where we're all posting stuff and we're all commenting on people's things i could text like two people after 8 p.m because that's when i didn't have to pay for text messages now anyone can make comments and group chats and everything so it's a it's an age that i don't understand quite as well i don't know if this is exactly how to do it yeah i'm glad people are trying to find it but it really feels like most of this is on if you're on the companies but i do also like these things like we just saw from apple and google of like enhanced parental controls so the parents can make individual choices for their kids a little more nuanced yeah i was just gonna say i don't think that everyone is dreaming for legislation for this but the companies didn't rise to the occasion no so this is the only solution it reminds me of when

1:24:23Marques Brownlee:when the UK was like, USB type C, iPhone, do it now. And we're like - Remember the EU. Sorry, the EU, thank you. Because the UK is - Yes, so the EU, and this was like, okay, this one piece of legislation makes sense here and it's going to advance it and there's no downsides here. So obviously it feels heavy handed, but it's actually gonna work and we all benefit from it. But yeah, there's so many different factors in the way people engage with the internet and all the different parts of the internet that I you know it's possible that this feels like the most complete or safe solution to the UK but uh it is just the UK I think they need to just enforce like just like the EU forced USB-C they forced removable batteries and a lot of devices they need to force insanely like powerful parental controls they need to educate people on that because I agree I a 13 year old should absolutely not be on x.com 100 i don't think a 30 year old should not be on x.com there's so much stuff on there you should not be looking at and uh i don't know i just it kind of feels to me like stopping access at an individual level is a much smarter way to control this kind of stuff because also a lot of the time when governments institute large sweeping bans on things they're they always use kids as like a fake agenda and slip a bunch of like privacy nightmare stuff underneath it I don't know if that's the case with this one but it happens a lot

1:25:53David Imel:yeah I don't know UK governance very well but I would not trust the US with regulating any of this

1:25:59Marques Brownlee:I will also say on YouTube there's maybe I'm YouTube pilled but there's so much good stuff on YouTube I know I remember in high school like feeling like I'm falling behind on a class and then looking up on YouTube and finding Sal and watching him teach me the same stuff that the teacher couldn't and actually learning and catching back up in class. That was YouTube.

1:26:18David Imel:Mine was, I'm falling behind in class. I'm not going to pass it anyway, so I might as well watch some stuff on YouTube. That's the other half of YouTube. There's got to be some sort of self-control.

1:26:28Marques Brownlee:You got to have it all. You got to have it all. And this is why I used the back rooms example because that kid could not have made that short that got 80 million views and then made a movie with a major studio that made just as much money as a Star Wars movie. You know, that just couldn't have happened. Also, he did a bunch of like 3D modeling and effects. I guarantee you he learned all of those skills on YouTube. Yep, tutorials. That's how I started. All the tutorial videos you watch. And he was 17 when he put his first short out. So he wouldn't have been able to learn those skills when he was 16.

1:27:01You know what I mean? So I don't know. It's tough.

1:27:05David Imel:It's just tough because for every success story, there's also the story of someone getting abducted or someone being groomed or someone thinking about self-harm from all these things. So there are all of those things out there. For sure. We're not trying to diminish that. No. I do think YouTube is the one example of like, maybe it's less of that because it's less of a personal, unless you are physically uploading a lot of videos. It's much less so than Facebook, Instagram, where you're like, this is all of my life. But this is also why every time we talk about social media, I weirdly don't think of YouTube as the same social media as Instagram X.

1:27:39David Imel:They feel like personal pages. yeah yeah maybe ban uploading to youtube before a certain age that is probably good i would agree with that yeah because every time i see like a like a video from a kid that gets uploaded and everyone like comments like yay this is awesome good career like it's supposed to really like

1:27:56Marques Brownlee:this i don't want to be it's supposed to auto detect when there's a kid and it doesn't allow comments or something there's this all these things are supposed to happen when it auto detects that it's a child account but that it doesn't always work either yeah yeah yeah well speaking of bans um last week we talked about how anthropic released the model that they said was too uh dangerous to release classic so they did that for a hot two days maybe three uh and then sort of out of nowhere it got banned by the u.s government so this is very funny in a way because daario has constantly just been like regulate us regulate us regulate us and then they regulated them and then they're like so there's that however as usual the way that the u.s government went about banning this was extremely short notice and something that there was just no way that they could possibly fix um because the the administration's problem with it was that they didn't want foreign nationals including anthropic employees to be able to access the model in the u.s or

1:29:04David Imel:outside the U.S. Essentially, if you're foreign, we don't want you to use it. Which is just... Not I wish I was kidding. Just classic. How do you even enforce that? You can't. And this is why they turned the model off. They had to turn the model completely off because they thought that was the only way they could actually do that. Yeah. And it seems like the reasoning behind it is because of some concerns of essentially jailbreaking it, which would bypass a bunch of the different restrictions and things they had on it because it kept finding potential cybersecurity risks and all that so they're trying to avoid all of that.

1:29:36There were a lot of funny memes around Mythos because they specifically sorry not Mythos, Fable. Fable 5 is a cut down version of Mythos with more restrictions on it. Guardrails.

1:29:47David Imel:Wait can I say something really fast? Sure. That's not really everyone kept talking about Fable 5 and I thought a new version of Fable the game came out because it was all all of the things I saw of it were like 3D renders and stuff and I was like oh I remember that game and then I realized how wrong I was. Okay well one of the major restrictions on Fable 5 over Mythos was that you can't talk about biology. Obviously they were doing this because they didn't want people to make weapons like bio-weapons and stuff but there were a lot of funny memes where someone was like my dog is not feeling well what should I do?

1:30:20And it's just like you've been reported to the FBI. Anyway, funny. There are AI reporters that are way better at handling these detailed things. Hayden Field over at The Verge did a really amazing article about this called Inside the Fight Over Claude Mythos 5. You should definitely go read that. Very complex. It seems that they have been going to Washington, trying to work with the U.S. government and trying to figure out a way to find a path forward. They went last week. They did not find a path forward. So, yeah, in the next few days, I guess we'll see if they can.

1:30:55David Imel:Yeah, but still banned at the time of recording. Yeah. apparently it was tipped off to the u.s government by some amazon researchers um which is i think at aws at aws which is both ironic and interesting at the same time because amazon is a major investor in it in anthropic okay um but also you know tinfoil hat time amazon could have some high incentive to make it so mythos could only be accessed through aws and they could go to the government and say anyway i don't want to i don't want to throw i don't want to throw a conspiracy theory i guess if they're scared of cyber security attacks aws would be a major target and they don't want yeah probably that too also andrew uh you're not crazy there was

1:31:38Marques Brownlee:actually a fable gameplay demo that came out last week so wait was there really yeah because someone else was telling me about it so you're not is it fable 5 if it was also 5 that would be i think yeah really funny it might have been whatever the newest one is i don't know by the nobody really knows why Anthropic called this Fable 5 because it's the first Fable model but they called it 5

1:31:59David Imel:I've given up on guessing AI model since Nano Banana I don't care about any of what they're called AI pro powered by personal intelligence yeah so anyway as of time of recording that is still banned we'll see if that changes in the coming days yeah so that's about it for the news this week so now we're going to do the thing that we always do at the end. Which is give me trivia points. We don't always do that, unfortunately. Quick update on the score. Marquez with 28, Andrew with 26, and David with 31. Question one. Snap has launched multiple things under the Snapchat umbrella, but which of these is not real?

1:32:41David Imel:A. Snapchat Apple Watch app. B. Snapcash. C. Snapcode. Or D. Snaptracks. With an X, of course. Because it's tech. Did we all assume he meant with an X when he said it out loud? I thought of it 100%. What does it do again? Beatmaker. It is a mini beat machine app inside of Snapchat. I thought it tracked you. Oh, it does. That is a thing in Snapchat. It does. What is it called? Snap Maps. Flip him and read. What do you got? We all said the same thing. Also the Apple Watch app. Incorrect. There is a Snapchat Apple Watch app. What does it do?

1:33:25Marques Brownlee:No idea. Was it Trax? It was Snap Trax. Was it really? I wrote Trax and crossed it out. Man. Interesting. Wow. Did the Apple Watch app just allow you to remotely shutter? Is that what it was for? That seems like the only thing it could possibly do. According to Google AI Overview,

1:33:44David Imel:it is an official watchOS application designed to supplement messaging on the go. I bought Claire a pair of Crocs for Mother's Day and they're too small. So I wanted to return them, but she didn't tell me they were too small till like way too late. She's too nervous. So I went on AI Overview and went, what's the Croc return policy? And I said 45 days. So I'm trying to return them and nothing's coming up to return them. So I get on the chat and I'm constantly just telling this guy, there's just no way. He's like, that's because our window's 30 days. It's past 30 days. And then I just closed the chat because I was so embarrassed.

1:34:16David Imel:went to the overview where it said 45 days again, click the link, and the link just brings you to a page that says 30 days on. What? It's so funny that it constantly sources its incorrect information. Yeah. Source, I made it up. Source is not. Source is not. It's just a page that says, trust me, bro. Trust me, bro. That's Google's new tagline.

1:34:39Marques Brownlee:We need internet literacy. I would like to teach an internet literacy class. Please. What if we made one? Like a high school level, like, here's how to navigate the internet. We should make one for the studio channel.

1:34:51David Imel:Yeah. I feel like you could, like, volunteer at a library and do that. But if we make one for YouTube, people in the UK under 16 wouldn't be able to watch it in the spring.

1:35:00Marques Brownlee:I feel like you have to teach a physical class, like, in person. Be like, everybody go to Google.com. All right. And ask it a question. All right. See how you got an AI overview? All right. Here's what we're going to do. Scroll down. Anyway. Okay. Go to Wikipedia. So the second question is, code names used to be used, let's see. For Android. Code names used to be used a whole, how did you word this? Sorry, I'm having a stroke. It's too warm in here. Codenames are a thing with Android, but they're not really as popular, I guess, anymore. And this is me abbreviating. Okay, what is the code name of Android 17?

1:35:42David Imel:please god somebody tell me meat hook I want you to come in and summarize every question I wish I don't even know is it a dessert still

1:35:56Marques Brownlee:yeah it probably is think of okay what letter would it be it would be Q right no we passed Q a long time ago

1:36:06David Imel:then they didn't go alphabetically no they did oh yeah cause it was Q I don't even know what we're on.

1:36:13Marques Brownlee:I don't even know where we are. David, that spelling is insane. All right, what do you got, David? Can you read that for me?

1:36:22David Imel:Can you just, no, spell it, no, read what you wrote. Letters. Spell it. Spell it. Why are you trying to publicly embarrass me right now? T-I-E-R-R-E-I-M, wait, see, E-M-I-S-S-E-U. tiramisu that cannot be how it's spelled I don't even know if I can spell it right look it's a French word it could be spelled anyway

1:36:47Marques Brownlee:I like the spirit but that's not it yeah tiramisu is 100 % French I put jello what about jelly bean do you remember jelly bean is jello a jelly bean I thought we were on tea that's why I did tiramisu but I think that was 16 was tiramisu and nougat nougat was a long ass time ago and then Oreo. If we're on 17,

1:37:10David Imel:Q is the 17th letter of the alphabet, right? Q was Q. Yeah, Q. R. R was red velvet cake. S. Wait, are we on red velvet cake?

1:37:23Marques Brownlee:Maybe it's S. What do you have on that? Maybe that was strudel. It's strudel. It's strudel. I have a mythos. I just made up a name. It's strudel, right? Yeah. Wait, can you tell us the first letter? Okay, did it spell right? You're not gonna like it. Well, is it S or T? It's C. It's C? What? We're not even in order anymore. There's no shot.

1:37:42David Imel:Wait, wait, can we all guess? Can we have equal more guests with C? That's a great guess. What is it with C? I don't know. What do you think? Okay, it's a disrepair that starts with C.

1:37:51Marques Brownlee:We had cupcake like a decade ago. I'm going with cupcake two. Cupcake two, electric boom.

1:37:59David Imel:Chucky milk. Cupcake two codename. Why did they do this? Can I complain to Michelle? I'm texting about so many things today. Bug report. Shall I watch this episode and be like, I'm never talking to you again? No, he'll be mad about this too.

1:38:14Marques Brownlee:Codename for Android 17.

1:38:16David Imel:Creme Brulee. Those are both so much better than mine. I bet Creme Brulee.

1:38:20Marques Brownlee:I like where your head's at.

1:38:21David Imel:Damn. Mark, I can go first. I wrote crepe.

1:38:24Marques Brownlee:That's also a good one.

1:38:26David Imel:I just wrote cookie. I've been watching too much Sesame Street with Lane. Cookie. Cookie. What is it?

1:38:32Marques Brownlee:Any other final? Cupcake chocolate. Cupcake three. Cupcake three. cupcake for it's apparently called it's cinnamon bun I'm not even that upset why did they do that it has nothing to do with the old naming I like cinnamon buns too but sure what does it have to do with 17

1:38:55David Imel:is it 17 and we're all the way through the alphabet already no they just at Android 10 they just got rid of the official names but then they kept going with the code names underneath. Yeah, but what did the first what was the first one?

1:39:11Marques Brownlee:Well, Alpha, Beta, whatever, didn't really have names. Cupcake, Donut, Eclair, Froyo, Gingerbread. One was cupcake. No, well, three was cupcake. Well, it was like three dot something. Yeah, but it was technically the first one they started using. Wait, how many? Okay. What did we skip?

1:39:28David Imel:The alphabet is cupcake. Donut, Eclair, Froyo, Gingerbread.

1:39:33Marques Brownlee:Wait, what about H? honeycomb honeycomb honeycomb ice cream sandwich jelly bean kit kat lemon lollipop lollipop m m

1:39:46David Imel:m

1:39:46Marques Brownlee:m m m m m marshmallow marshmallow nougat nougat oreo oreo pie pie q q and then that was it yeah or we had an r they stopped at q i mean technically what the f i Q was technically Android 10, and it's when they officially switched over to letters. Yeah. I mean, numbers. It's not quiche. Quince? It was Quince Tart. It was just Q. Quince Tart was the secret code name. Then Red Velvet Cake. But they called it Q on stage. Red Velvet. Snow Cone's really good. Yeah, that's fire. That's a great letter. Oh, T was tiramisu. Yeah. I thought so. Upside Down Cake, Vanilla Ice Cream. What? And then they went to B, Baklava.

1:40:29And it fell off. Dude, Baklava's fire.

1:40:31David Imel:No, Google broke alphabetical order for 16. They did. Oh, so they just restarted. So B, Baklava, C is... I see where I'm screwing up. They're counting dot versions. That's what I'm... It's not one for one. It's not numbers. Wait, so when did they stop? They stopped it... After P. They gave up on... Q-R-S-T-U-V... They stopped here. W-X-Y-Z. They stopped it. Oh, oh, oh. Vanilla ice cream. So next is D. That's the most vanilla thing you could do.

1:40:58Marques Brownlee:They should have done a W-X-Y-Z. Anyway, Google, I recommend you actually make a W, X, and Y, and Z. I demand an apology. Yeah. Anyway.

1:41:08David Imel:But thank you for getting rid of At A Glance. Yeah. You can do no wrong. That's true, actually.

1:41:11Marques Brownlee:You did some good and you did some wrong as well. We'll be back next week, but also stay tuned for the bonus episode. Again, it will have not nothing to do with ball. And if you made it this far into the episode, comment. Knicks in five. Knicks in five. Catch you guys in the next one. Peace.

1:41:33David Imel:Waitformer is produced by Adam Alina and Mariah Zink today. I guess Rufus is probably still going to do some of the audio editing despite not being here. What's his last name? Molhot. There it is. That's it. I was ready. I aced it. But now I forgot the rest of the things I have to say. I think it's we're part of the Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro and outro music was created by Vane Still. Bingo. Next in five. Next in five. Bingo. Let's go.

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