Thoughts on the Humane AI Pin

29:07But I basically just hold my hand out in front of me and a little UI appears on my hand and it's projecting UI. And then as I move my hand around, I'm interacting with the UI of the pin, which is new. I've never seen that before. It's really, really unique. It's magnetized to my shirt, and you know how the back of a pin is usually like a little piece of metal? It's another battery back there. So this thing is just kind of sitting on my chest with a whole bunch of weight and battery and heat. And it does what it says it's supposed to do, but I guess... Does it? Here's my number one overarching thought when using it.

29:50I really believe that tech can eventually make this like artificial assistant possible for regular people. Like, you know, CEOs and like executives and super rich people have like human assistants that like know everything about them and like book flights for them, get their calendar sorted, meetings, all that fun stuff. And for us regular people, we want like a virtual assistant for lack of a better term. So like Google Assistant almost makes this promise of, look, we know all this stuff about you. we can help personalize results for you and like help you through your day and all this stuff super cool yeah i think we can actually get to a point where tech can deliver the promise of like the virtual assistant which i'm really excited about yeah the problem with this one is it's a separate device from your phone it doesn't pair to your phone it's totally separate and so it therefore doesn't know anything about you that your phone knows about you your phone knows a lot about you Depends on what phone you have, but it knows a lot about you.

30:50This device has to learn over time and starts off at such a frustratingly low level that it's basically useless at the beginning until you start to talk to it and use it and get it to learn you. And the friction required to get it to the point of it knowing about you is so great because of all the other flaws that I don't think I'll ever get there. That's my problem with it. I also want to throw out in there, I think a pretty easy thing to say is, well, it will get to know you like if you do just get past the friction point but my biggest thing here and we all were kind of talking about this is like even when it gets to know you the fact that it's its own number and not connected to your phone is like that means i have to make the choice of am i communicate because one of the things it can do is like tell me what's going on today like what if what did i miss in my text messages send this text message to whoever call this person it's a different phone numbers so now i have to be like hey david i want you to like during the week i'm wearing the humane pin so can you use this number like nine to five on the weekdays and can you wait it doesn't forward no let's try not that i know let's try it right now yeah send andrew a message saying i'll be there in 10 minutes

32:10and they should have done with the hand ui it's not fast there are multiple matching contacts. Which one do you mean? Andrew a*****. Andrew a*****. Andrew a*****. Andrew a*****. Andrew a*****. I'm none of those? Yo, what's Andrew in your phone? Andrew Manganielli.

32:29Is this where you find out Andrew's number isn't saved in your phone? Your message to Andrew a***** says, I'll be there in 10 minutes. Wrong person. Okay, to send? Nope.

32:41My s***** sent. Cancelling. Wait, what? Actually, what contacts is it pulling from? So at the beginning, you connect your Google, Apple, Microsoft, and Tidal accounts. So those are the contacts from my Android phone. You don't even have me on Tidal? I have my contacts in Google Contacts, so that should be pulling. I'm going to try it one more time. Say my phone name. Tell Andrew Manganielli I'll be there in 10 minutes.

33:14your message to andrew says i'll be there in 10 minutes okay to send am i not in your phone can you confirm that i'm in your phone the audience wants to know the audience is is this the first friendship ended by a human also i want to say quick note to everyone listening and watching when marquez does these demos i'm not going to edit that that is the the time it takes yeah oh There's also multiple other Andrews here that it's not. That's what it just went through. And that's why I said full name and it didn't work. Damn, you put my name in here fast to prove that it was... No, I'm just kidding.

33:48I just put Andrew. Yeah, I know. Yeah. Nice. So it did. That's a thing. Okay. What if I... Okay. David... Let me try David. Oh, yeah. Try me. Because your name's in here too, right? I hope so. Whoops. Tell David ML, I'll be there in 10 minutes. I'm ready.

34:11There are multiple matching contacts. Which one do you mean? David Nell. David B***. David Imo. David B***. Or David L. What a flex. I just saw it. David Imel. Come on. It's not how you pronounce my name. Pin. Your message to David Imo says, I'll be there in 10 minutes. Okay to send? Yes. by the way Marquez could have done this in four seconds if we get past that part though we'll give it the benefit of the doubt that this is where it's trying okay I just got a message from a random number saying I'll be there in ten minutes so I think the point we're trying to illustrate which is exactly what you just said is this can do a bunch of things but all of those things I could do infinitely faster or better on my phone unless Unless you're basically the one thing that this can achieve is if your goal is to spend less time on your phone, then technically you can do it.

35:12And more time frustratingly, but working with the pin. You will probably be very frustrated with the friction of using the pin. I want to even give it the benefit of the doubt, though, on if you do want to use the pin in some cases. But now you have two completely separate phone numbers forms of communication with David. So like you could be talking to him through the pin for a day, but then like that's not including the time you're using your phone. So unless it's completely taking over your phone, you're going to be using your phone sometimes. Now these are two totally different conversations.

35:41Are we going to double our text messages for every single person that we talk to in a week? Well, you were talking about, you know, it can summarize all your messages. It can read you the things that you've received while you were in a meeting. That's only if the person texted this number. I just did. So what happens? I just texted it back. You texted it back. Great. Well, how do you know? So there is a notification light at the top that you have to look down at and I have to look down Oh my god, I can't see it very well So it's not you didn't see it when I texted you back. So like yeah, there a vibration or anything.

36:10There's no vibration Oh my good. I'm gonna ask it if I'm a haptic motor. I haven't felt any Can you call it? What happens if he calls you? You should call it wait. So can you so I'm gonna ask if I have any messages Do I have any messages

36:30David Imel said okay and it just reads it out loud no matter what the message is or if you put your hand out it'll say it on your hand instead cool okay I'm gonna call you now let's see how this works let's see if it rings can you see the light? can you see the light? that isn't a spot I feel like that would catch my eye

36:56oh how we doing? did I accept it? okay, near you now I'm on the phone hands free so that's the thing if you try to use this pin in noisy environments or in public everyone can hear everything around you and if you want to engage with it in other ways then you have to tap it and use the hand thing and try to, oh, you hung up okay, put the UI's on my hand now and I received a message so I'm going to say, oh I have a missed call from David from before yep there it is and yeah it technically works it's kind of you know it reminds me of vision pro a little bit oh because the in i'll get there yeah you need to clarify it reminds me of vision pro because clearly vision pro a lot of people are like what do i even do with this i i want to be so amazed by the product but i don't know if this fits in my life at all but the tech and the fact that it works is pretty cool.

37:57I find some of the same things with this where like the fact that the projector actually works, it's not even that good. It doesn't track my hand. It's not super readable, but the fact that it actually responds to my hand, that's kind of cool, but I don't have a place where this like makes sense in my life. Are there other people where this does more? Maybe. I don't know. Um, yeah, if you're in a chance, oh, by the way, there's way more instances where it's like really, really heavy friction. But if you're, if you're in instances where you want to spend less time on your phone. That's where I feel like you're the best possible fit for this product.

38:29And even at that point, it's probably not great. But what can it do? That's the, that's like, I'll tell you what it does. Okay, let's go. So it's got the microphone and the speaker and it has the large language model and it can process what you're saying. And then it can either do on device computation or go to the internet and look stuff up. So if you ask it questions about facts or ask it to tell you things or recommend you things in the area what's some food around here what's uh the weather tomorrow how tall is this building stuff like that it can do all of that just like your phone i'll say a lot of things and i'll say just like your phone at the end because it's true about all of them okay it can make phone calls and send text messages just like your phone on a different number on a different phone number okay it can take pictures and 30 second videos just like sometimes all of all of these are very much dependent on how well it's working um but it can take pictures it can take videos it can send those pictures and videos uh it backs them up to the cloud it can play music just like your phone in bluetooth headphones or i think it can pair to headphones as well which is what you should do please don't play music i just yeah you can walk around her sonic wow what do they call it the individual sound bubble as advertised is not well so i when they were explaining that to us I think the bubble makes all of us think, I think it's less of, it's a bubble where other people can't hear and more of a bubble where it feels like you have a good sounding bubble around you.

39:56Not that it, that's what, when they were explaining it to us, I took it as that, not as this like magical only you can hear it thing. Yeah. I would say definitely if you want to wear headphones to have more personal audio, you probably should. It, it claims to have a sort of personalized audio bubble. I think that's some of the words that they were using. I feel like it's pretty close to just me holding up a small speaker like a small speaker phone i can hear it pretty well i also believe you guys can hear it pretty well so i wouldn't call it private i would just say it's audible which is fine i wouldn't listen to music walking around but you could um that's that's basically what it does and i would say all the other things about a smartphone that are natural questions you have like what's the battery life how much storage what apps are there all of the answers hurt all of the answers hurt um they do include a lot of hardware i will say for batteries so like the back of this pin magnetized is another booster battery and they include two batteries and then a little like charging case to charge the battery and like a little charger that sits on your desk all these like nice accessories for different weights of clothing the battery life it's never made it through a day for me with all the batteries included.

41:11Can you also... All of the batteries. All of the batteries. Now you can hot swap, but it's never made it through an entire day for me. Can you ask it how much battery it has? Because the way I found it explains it is very confusing. Well, there's the internal battery and the booster battery. And it describes it as both. Yeah, I'll ask it. What's my battery? 88%. Booster 25%. So, built-in battery is at 88%, which it has been for a while and the booster which slowly drains during the day is at 25 okay so it means it maintains the internal at 88 as much as possible it's it maintains the internal kind of at whatever it is when you put the booster on oh that's what i found that's what i found confusing is it's like i assumed that one would always be at 100 yeah but i guess it's like yeah i think but that's a confusing thing to say what's my battery in here two numbers and then every time being like i i think it makes sense physically like this is such a small system that like wirelessly wirelessly charging it I think would be just heat loss just like all day so I feel like it's just keeping it at whatever it's at and slowly draining the booster and once the booster's dead then it slowly drains the internal but that's not the case there no or I guess did you change it when it drained the booster then drained the main and now you have a new booster on because it's two different not full it drained my booster and then it started draining the main down to 88 percent which is when I swapped on a new booster and then the new booster started draining while it kept it at 88.

42:39I feel like the easier way of doing that would just be like, you have approximately four hours of runtime in the current situation. I've had drastically different amounts of battery life depending on what's happening. I've had an hour straight where I do nothing and it drains completely. I've had an hour where I did a lot of video recording and it only drained 25%. So it's really hard to say how much time you have left based on what's happening. I will say it's always warm on my chest. But yeah, so the battery life question, I will say, is really, really not great, even though it's a tiny thing.

43:13The point is you have to charge it every single day. The other thing is it is heavy. So if you're wearing it on, you know, they've got all these like thick clothes in their demos, which is super cool. But if you wear like a thin jersey like I do or like a little lightweight hoodie or something like that, you're going to notice it's kind of like sagging a little bit. Yeah, they do suggest, I think they would want you to put it up a tad higher. They basically said the seam of your shoulder and your sleeve, because they're closer together, is a tad tighter. But then you're definitely not going to see a notification light.

43:45No, I actually think you would see it better if it was out to the left here. It'd be more in your peripheral and the notifications on the top right. It's not a product that like demos well. You have to teach people how to use it. Which is kind of confusing, but also you can learn how to use things. I still think even in its perfect placement, though, is a bit strange. And they do have a couple different backings on it. There's one without a battery that's lighter. But I still think if you're wearing looser clothing, especially jersey-esque material like Marquez wears a lot, it's going to be all over the place.

44:18So what are you doing now? I'm just texting you back. Oh. Oh, with your hand? so you also have to pinch for this how it's one of the ways to do things yeah like how how much better is that then or is it at all comparable to vision pro like the pinching eye tracking thing okay so the projector is fixed on your chest right so when you move your hand out it's sort of a muscle memory of remembering where to put your hand to immediately have it project the UI onto your hand. Once you have a project on your hand, the gestures work, but you need to sort of learn to keep your hand in place and calibrate yourself to how sensitive it is.

45:05I was going to say, can I ask, you said before it has no hand tracking. Does it have like minor adjustments when you're close in on it? Or did you just mean like, you know, it has to be in a particular place. It's just straight locked on. Just fixed, yeah. And it also seems to have a pretty generous like amount of distance you can be from your hand because it's tracking that distance okay so one of the pieces of the ui is like pinching like you saw that's like a selection there's also moving around the ui by tilting my hand like there's a marble in my hand that's like how i select the piece of ui that works kind of well but it's kind of like you can imagine like an ipad game where you're tilting a marble around it's like not easy but you can you can do it and then there's like moving your hand forward or backward in depth with ui so like my passcode when i put it in i'm like selecting the numbers on like a moving carousel so yeah you can do it but it's not fast for me i'm a weekend maybe i'll get really good at it soon but i'm not fast so i have a question in its most magical ideal this is the perfect world sure state what does this do better than a phone that the whole point isn't just you don't have to take out your phone good question i'll say two things okay one is it's always with you all the time so it can remember things if you just go remember that andrew's birthday is next week and it'll just write it down keep it in the little portal which is a web portal it's not even an app and that's set can you not do that with like a Google Assistant with like a Google Assistant button?

46:48You can, but where does it write that stuff down? It just remembers it. Because you can tell Google Assistant, I like to be called by this or like that kind of stuff. And it remembers that. It's nice to have a little hub at the end of the day where I can go back and see all the things that I told it to remember. There's a physical place online you can do that? Yeah, there's a humane web portal. Let's talk about that. Yeah. So you sign in, you log in with your account, you have your Google title, Microsoft, Apple, all that stuff is signed in there. and then you have all of the photos and videos you took, all of your last few commands and what the answers were, and then, of course, the stuff you told it to remember.

47:23Okay. So that is one thing that it's currently better at than my phone. If I can't grab my phone and write it down right away, that's at least nice. Yeah, sure. And then two is just, like, less screen time. That's kind of it. Like, it can take pictures, but my phone takes better pictures. It can text and call people, but I can do that faster on my phone. I can look up fax, but I can do that faster on my phone. all the things that it does I can do on my phone but that means I'm using my phone so if you want if you really want to reduce your screen time and live a less distracted life you know we have smart glasses as a form factor for that we have a pin now as a form factor for that that's a thing I can do are they marketing this as a phone replacement or as a I think none of them are really able to make a good case to replace your phone I think people watch the videos and feel like there's a future where maybe it could replace a phone.

48:13But today, I think if you honestly ask them, we can all agree phones are pretty OP. Phones are great. And so there is no world in which this does everything your phone does. It doesn't have Spotify. It doesn't have podcasts. It doesn't have any apps, really. So it can't replace your phone today. But it's a companion app that you also charge every day and then maybe start using more and more during the day. The problem with companion app, and this is still what I think is the thing that I, is my biggest gripe with this is that like, if it's not replacing a phone, it should be connected to my phone and be the companion app of the thing that I don't need to pull my phone out, but that's my hub still.

48:51If I can't connect, I like need to confirm if that's real, that it cannot connect to my messages and phone calls because it just feels so not right. Critical issue. But I'm pretty sure, I can't see how it would do that if it has some sort of forwarding, but then it's not pulling things from my phone my phone's not forwarding back messages to for it to read from and then you have to carry your phone anyway if it's paired i'd be fine carrying my phone if it's like my phone's in my backpack and i have this on me like that i think is fine there's a place for something like that if it works well i'm in your ideal world here like yeah but all of that is is kind of strange a lot of the stuff they said is coming soon like there is going to be google calendar connections but that's coming later and feels like something that probably should be there at launch i yeah a lot of the things coming later feel like they should be there at launch to help make this seem a little more useful but yeah there's a really long list of features that i would like for it to do like if it could just see my google calendar if i could just say what's my next event it can't even do that it says it's coming soon actually david and i were having this conversation about in the the i think one of the weirdest things about large language models are like assistants right now is why do they always have to read the entirety of every single thing like Like if I want to say, there's an example they do where they're like, what's my next meeting?

50:10And it's like, your next meeting is like the MKBHD content meeting with Adam, Ellis, and David. And it's at one o 'clock. And then you're like, oh, is Tim going to be there? And it's like, Tim will not be attending the MKBHD content meeting with Alice. Yeah. Alex. Alice. It seems like what large language models are doing right now is understanding the context of how you talk to devices. is but what needs to happen as well is that they need to contextually talk to you like a human because right now it's using your contextual it's using contextual understanding of your language to fetch information but then it's just taking that information as a glorb and then pulling that in and showing that to you but until until these models can actually like talk back to you like a normal person then it's kind of hard yeah in yeah no sorry oh in this perfect world i could see a future where you don't need your phone for example the rabbit r1 uh theoretically we haven't got to test it yet the whole point of it is you should be able to it connects to all of your apps and it learns how to use your apps like you would use your apps right and in that world if the humane ai pin had a large action model as rabbit likes to call it and it knew how to use all your apps and you could say call me an uber to this location i and i could see a world where that is my only phone number right where you you're like i'm going phoneless i'm just not doing phones anymore at all and i'm just having a dangling ai assistant that can do everything for me with all my apps and all that stuff i think you're you could get there it's funny how much we use screens i think there's like a last 10 that's going to be really really hard to wean us off of screens because even if let's say you could on this you can't but let's say you could call an uber and you said you're in the city and go call me uber to the studio and you hear it go bling your uber is on the way and then you want to walk one block to the corner to the starbucks and have it pick you up there what do you do on the pin oh god okay uh do i do the hand thing to do it do i go adjust my pickup location to my new location like the last 10 is so annoying yeah and if it was very human-like, it could handle that super easily.

52:28And that'll be the real impressive accomplishment of these large action models and large language models, but that is the hard part. The other problem is that it's all voice-based. Yeah. Correct. And, like, speaker-based. And I just feel like that's a critical issue. It is. Well, it does have the projector, so it's not all speaker-based. It can feed information through the projector. Okay. I don't have as much of an issue with the audio as you guys do. Maybe because I'm thinking of it like a person. I'm just outside around people all the time. If you had a little person on your shoulder that was like your actual human assistant.

53:01I would hate that. But imagine how functional he would be if you could just be like, hey, call me an Uber. I mean, I just think either way, it can do text and audio, so it doesn't really matter. Yeah, you can always send text and he reads the text or something. I'm using this human as an analogy for my desire for an AI assistant. like how would I tell a person to do this and a thumbnail was born so it's like a little angle on my shoulder I was picturing a leprechaun that's cool too it could be Jay from State Farm whoever I don't know a little person on my shoulder but yeah I need them to be I need to just communicate quickly what I need from them and then they can take care of it big question why would I buy this mmhmm i can say there is one other thing that we haven't talked about that i think is it's most it's still in my eyes not worth the price that it is but its most impressive feature is the just like something next to you that can pretty much live translate if you're holding on to it it seems like it's done a good job at that it's quicker when it does that from all the demos that i've seen it seems pretty quick where you can just be like um and and from what i remember they said they They said like if you were to land in a country that has a language based around it, it would know where you are.

54:23And then if you press the certain gesture to do translation, it would translate English into Spanish. And then when they talk back to you, you can hold the same gesture and then it will come back into English. I think that is a cool feature. I think every tech demo always has a really, really cool translation demo. Yeah. And then the one time you actually use it, you end up just using Google Translate anyway. But in the off chance it works really well, I think that's great. I guess what I'm saying is there are a lot of live translations. This has seemed like the best one. Still don't know how often I would use it.

55:00The most natural feeling kind of? More like the one that said they're doing it and it actually does it. Unlike the Pixel Buds doing live translations and stuff like that. And as a way to communicate back out without you having to like attempt to read a different language and say that or show on your phone. I mean, Google translate. I mean, when I was in Japan and using the Google translate app, it's rock solid. I'll just type what I want to say and then hit it and it says it out loud. And then the taxi driver goes, okay. And then if they say something, I just record it and then it translates it.

55:27And like, I get it. I'll just like, that's it. It's really amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Well, it works. So why would you want to buy it? Yeah. Why? Who should buy the humane pin today? Today. it's$700. It's 24 bucks a month. If you are crazy, only Brandon, really, really, really want to reduce your screen time, like at the expense of your own sanity, you would just love to look at screens way, way less than you do now. So you're willing to offset some of the stuff that you do now with a screen to a device without a screen. You can do that today with the humane pin. It will take longer to do many things.

56:08you will do many things worse than you originally would have. Your photos will look worse. Your videos will be less than 60 seconds. You will just have less capabilities. You will have a new phone number. You'll have to charge another device. All these things are true, but you will have less screen time. Mission accomplished. That person can buy the Humane AI pin. That is the only person that I think I would recommend it to today in its current state. Maybe it'll get some updates, new capabilities. Maybe I'll reevaluate. Maybe I'll be really impressed with some updates that it comes out with, and maybe I'll want to use it for something else.

56:43But as of right now, I just don't enjoy using it. It's tough. I really feel like the majority of videos that you see trying to show it off feel very like when Google Home first came out, and we're like, how tall is the Empire State Building? How long is the George Washington Bridge? It's just some kind of random facts. How far away is the moon? And I feel like$800 for that. I know that's like putting it down into a small thing, but there's not a ton. I think what you're observing is it's a really hard product to explain why people would want to use. I think Vision Pro had a similar problem where it's so cool as a tech demo, and then you go open it up and put it on someone's eyes, and they go, what do I do?

57:28At least they know VR headsets can play games, but they're like, what do I do with this? a lot of other tech has really really obvious use cases like when the ipod came out for example it's like oh yes i want to listen to music everywhere i couldn't do that before lots of tech has had this moment i think this is a super super cool interesting very unique piece of tech from the projector to the ai to the form factor of a pin i just don't have a use for it yeah that and that's the problem most people probably have with it i've also got to say in in the analogy to Google Home I think that the tension of having to charge another thing and also having to have another thing in general this is a problem with the rabbit as well you have to charge it you got to keep it with you and not carry the batteries carry it like that tension is so strong because with the Google Home you keep it in your home all the time and it's just always available and there and you do not have to think about anything else.

58:27No friction. There's no friction. It's just an option. It's an option whereas this one's like, try to use it for 80 % of your things. I will say. Please. When we went to this, that's a perfect, when we went to this trip to go shoot the car, the day that we flew out there, which we had a bunch of cool stuff to do, I had this thought at the beginning of the day which is like, I don't want to wear this today. There is so much friction of, number one, i have to drive the seat belt don't want to do that number two we're going to go to an airport with security with like the metal detector i got to take it off again take it out i got to keep the extra batteries in my backpack i got to swap out like am i going to take a jacket off on the plane and then i have to restick the pin again like i thought of so many reasons why i didn't want to carry it and wear it that day that i just didn't charging up wait i just realized charging is only through that like stand right there's no just usbc you can plug into the battery or the actual device is inductive there's a couple things i'll tell you every single way you can charge so right now i have a battery booster on the back attached to it and i have a separate battery booster back at my desk so there's a little cradle that i put the booster in that inductively charges it that's one way so that's charging on the cradle right now okay the other way is there's a little like airpods case looking thing and you can put it you can put it in there and close that and it'll charge in there and that is usbc that has usbc so if you want to plug that case into the wall you can and then you can plug either the booster or the pin with the booster on it in there and then i'll close and that'll charge okay those are those are all the ways you can charge and this is currently sitting at it's so warm for no reason what's my battery 87 % booster 14 % Remember earlier we were at like, yeah, now it's 14.

1:00:13And the normal battery went down from 88 to 87. Can I feel how warm it is? Yeah. Not outside here? Sorry, I'm going in your shoulder a little. HR. It's like, it's not crazy warm, but it's enough of a warm. Yeah, like there's just something about something with a battery feeling that warm against your skin. And it's the weight of it. And it's just a little bit of like thinking. Yeah. Do you know what? Jacket, maybe not so bad. The pictures and video thing reminds me of Beam. Remember it? Whereas like to take the photo where you can't really frame it, you had to stick your phone against your chest so that you couldn't see the frame and that's how it would take it and automatically post.

1:00:53Like, yeah, you don't get to see this. It takes like three photos. You know, it's one of my saddest takeaways from this. That smartphones are just like. Awesome. So good. Yeah. And I know we're looking at like headsets and smart glasses and all these other phones. and then the rabbit's just like a deck of cards stack and like the pin. Like we have all these other cool gadget experiments, but like smartphones are good. Yeah. It's going to be hard to take out the smartphones. It's going to be hard. Yeah. And like it will happen eventually. Maybe. Maybe. Will it? I don't know. Smartphones are. I think it'll happen eventually.

1:01:26Breaking news. Marques Brownlee thinks smartphones are good. I'm just saying. In case you didn't know, man. I think that it's good that tech like this is being funded because exploring new concepts and ideas and form factors is good. And then also they invent new things. For example, the Vision Pro, there had never been a micro LED display that had been that dense ever. Right? They had to invent a new screen technology. For this, that projector is pretty sick. Dude, that projector, like, I mean, conceptually it might be a little flawed. But to pull off a laser projector that small with that...

1:02:06with that sort of focal distance there's two mirrors in there it bounces twice from the diode the projector on this thing is actually pretty impressive I had extremely little faith but like you can see it very well controlling it is a whole other story I think that's kind of clunky but like being able to see it in bright light you can see it in sunlight we've been doing it in here with the huge windows behind us and i've never had an issue seeing it that's pretty crazy also you know to get a little more focal doesn't say that mirror system and and your shirt moves you walk around like that's not that's like a feat you know that they accomplished yeah again hardware on this is great i think it looks kind of like an apple watch with a forehead but um yeah but the actual hardware the like the hand feel of it everything of it feels super premium and it seems like they put a wild amount of work into making it do what it does and the the the idea of a a mobile computer that it is impossible to doom scroll on yeah good that's good right that is good i think that in almost every category in tech there's things that have to walk so that something else can run and like you know this is crawling this is the very beginning the fish first out of water for sure plugging across the fish doesn't have lungs yet it's like whoa it's gasping yeah yeah i don't know i mean it's good that we're experimenting but it's the very beginning of this like ai push and maybe we see that almost none of this ai stuff is that andy but or at least in a hardware format we'll see i am interested to see when more people get this and figure some more things out about it because like yeah i do think it's really easy for a company to make something and be in love with it and think everything is amazing and then maybe don't do a very good job of showing off what it's like but then it gets into the hands of people who will just put it through the ringer and like maybe find some really cool things so in a few months maybe some people find some really interesting things to do about it don't know if that will save everything we talked about today but the fact that it takes a few months is fascinating because like i think you should any new form factor you think you'll have like a killer app app meaning like physical application like with the headset on the killer app is i can put you in another world right now okay sure i'll try it the with the ipod you had the killer app with the boosted board you had a killer app like all these form factors had a killer app and with this pin what's what's the killer app i don't know yeah i do think there is this weird tension between privacy and usefulness oh yeah i totally agree in a perfect world if we didn't give any care about privacy whatsoever and the camera was always recording right or at least taking like an image every 15 seconds so that at any time you could just be like ah where are my keys where are my keys they're on the couch boom that'd be great it listens to every conversation Are you saying you want a better Google clip?

1:05:18Google clips, yeah. Well, think of the human version of that. The human's on your shoulder all the time. So the second you put your keys down, he noticed. Yeah. There's another AI product coming out soon, I think, called the Rewind Pendant. And it does exactly that. Sounds like from Harry Potter or something. Yeah. It hangs in the center of your chest, and it has a little camera, and then it records all audio and all video of everything that you do all day. Does it die in like an hour? Yeah, and what storage system do you need to? It's all, it's like uploaded to the cloud of your phone or something.

1:05:52Entirely local on your phone, yeah. Entirely local on your phone. You have to just dump footage every night. It's privacy for you, but for nobody else. Wow. So I don't think we're ever going to live in that world, even if that's the most ideal world, because that's the world in which this would be helpful. And that's kind of an allegory to all of this like large language model technology is that it just needs more information. like you were saying if it has all the information about you all the time then it's it's great and that's why i think that google is probably in the best position of all of these companies because they have all of these services shamelessly have all your information you just press once you just tap allow google to access everything about you yes boom great ai product yeah but uh anything that's third party that's not based on your accounts is gonna have a hard time the philosophy of this product feels like a lot of Apple engineers worked on it.

1:06:43It's like a beautiful hardware device that they expect you to use exclusively. It plugs into other things. Oh, there it is. It plugs into other things, but they expect you to just use this, not your phone. It doesn't connect with your phone. You get a whole new number. It's very Apple-y. It is confusing because I still don't think they say that you shouldn't use your phone, but at the same time, they make it like you shouldn't use your phone. Yeah. It's confusing. I'm a little I don't understand how they couldn't figure out text message forwarding or something like that I just connect to your phone I it's insane I actually think this would have a lot more life breathed into it if it was a companion to your phone 100 % agree yeah if it was like an accessory it can still have its own number and stuff for if there's times where you decide you don't want to bring your phone but then if like because there's the the Apple Watch can do that right so this is this is the big thing with the Apple Watch versus other watches and part of the lawsuit was that the Apple Watch has your same phone number when you add cellular to it, but no other smartwatches with LTE can do that.

1:07:46Only the Apple Watch can. That's why that was part of the lawsuit. But this is the thing. The Apple Watch has the same phone number as you. So why can't this do it? I think this might be philosophical, but if we look at this more in the vein of this is a future form factor that you might wear all the time, like smart glasses or Vision Pro, for example, Vision Pro does not connect to your phone. and I think if they set the precedent now that it connects to your phone you'll never be okay with it not connecting to your phone. I see what you're saying. So if it connects to your phone now and they aim for you to in five years use it totally separate from your phone and you announce it no longer connects to your phone that just doesn't fly.

1:08:23I like want to argue with you even though I know that doesn't mean that's what you think it should do but right I mean cool it's got to make it that long then and I think if it's right now in a position where it's not connected to your phone maybe someone in the comments can be like what they're really excited to use this for and what they plan on actually changing in their life because of it but like yeah i have such a hard time telling anyone to even think about yeah purchasing this yeah i i want i would think that within a year or so they will get purchased by another company for the hardware technology and that's pretty much it for the talent the intellectual property and the hardware design yeah yeah the projector specifically fair enough yeah well i do think we should let them continue to develop and hope they get that far we should take a break we've gone for an eternity on this i am working on the full review so hopefully on the main channel soon you'll hear a succinct version of my thoughts and my experience using the humane pin but we still have headlines in a hat over there i see some headlines in a hat so we're going to take a quick break and before that we should do some trivia howdy friends so our audience responded just so positively oh glad to our crazy frog question two weeks ago so i decided to go back to the youtube top 30 all-time list for another banger of a question of the top 30 youtube videos the top 30 most viewed YouTube videos of all time, how many are not music videos?

1:10:05Songs, music videos, or content for young children? Of the top 30? How many are not songs, music videos, or content for young children? And before you ask me to define content for young children... You know exactly what the hell that means. You know exactly what the hell I'm talking about. Yeah. Well, I like Baby Shark. That is a song, a music video, and content for small children. There are a few on the list that are all three. That is correct. Yeah. There's definitely some K-pop. How many are K-pop is my question. K-pop. Okay. I have a guess. We'll probably all have guesses. We'll think about it.

1:10:48We'll be right back.

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1:12:17American Express Business Platinum. There's nothing like it. terms apply learn more at american express.com slash business dash platinum all right welcome back that's the sound of headlines in a what in a hat of course oh headlines in a hat um since this is just an abbreviated section of the podcast instead of the whole episode today we're going to do like a reaction style headlines in a hat so we're going to get the headline and then i want everyone's one sentence reaction how does that sound we have a lot of headlines i want everyone to know that marquez thought about this during the commercial break i think it's a good idea yeah we're probably six hours into this week's pod so i think it's a good idea all right uh first headline reads tesla robo taxis i think the headline in full i'll find it i'm like imagining the one sentence as like we need to each say a sentence and go around like the create your own story with one word are the headline not ever going to come out all this really is is elon musk says tesla will reveal its robo taxi on august 8th that's the headline what's your one sentence nice flick my one sentence reaction what the hell is even that what about model 2 well that got uh okay is that supposed to be me now yeah oh canceled i think we teamworked that pretty yeah yeah alternate headline reaction what year wait it just says April 8th that would be really funny August 8th they theoretically cancelled the Model 2 project no$25 ,000 car and the robo taxis are probably going to be scary they've been telling people they've been saying robo taxis are just your car but with self driving how are they announcing it this is the longest run on sentence between three people I think we should say something This was me trying to reach the word limit in high school.

1:14:16Yeah. Google AI editing features comes to Google Photos. Called it. Includes magic editor, magic eraser, photo and blur, portrait light. Also, it's coming to Google Photos for free. For everybody for free. And Google Photos, like, online. Yeah. Well, yeah. Dope. On that. That's my one word. That's dope. My sentence is caveat colon.

1:14:47There are hardware requirements. So on Chrome OS, you have to have a Chromebook Plus device. What? With three gigs of RAM or higher. And Chrome OS version 118 or higher. You have to have a phone with Android 8.0 or iOS 15 or higher. That's my sentence. Can I redo my sentence? What if I'm on iOS? iOS 15 or higher. It has to be Chrome OS on a computer? No, if you're doing it on Chrome OS. Oh, okay. So this all tells me that there is some local processing happening as well as the cloud, which is surprising to me. Anyway, Marques needs a reply to this. Ah, just like clockwork. True. Everything Google eventually becomes free and comes to everybody.

1:15:37Okay. In exchange for all your data. Quest 3 gets lying down mode. My one sentence. My legs.

1:15:49Meta, colon. Thank God for Vision Pro for beta testing what we need to do to make a very popular VR headset. Nice. Yeah. Is it your turn or my turn? You can go. I've got one. It didn't have that? Question mark? why would I need that you couldn't lay down in the quest before I'm sure it's trying to look and see the ground through the bottom and once you lie down it can't see the ground and it's confused that would be my guess is that like the floor detection is such an integral part to the meta quest OS that this is quest 3 by the way it already got pushed to quest 2 like a few weeks ago which is ironic Marquez what's your sentence not gonna use that you're not gonna lay in bed and watch Dune 2?

1:16:39no I might lean back in a chair but on the ground Marquez is watching Dune confirms in bed I guess I would do that why? lay on the ground with a VR headset? I could do whatever the hell I want with a VR headset I'm not on the ground I'm in the VR Apple publishes paper on Ferret UI Apple's teaching an AI system to make sense of app screens. Could power an advanced Siri? Wait, can I go first? Sure. I'm giving my sentence to David so he can have two sentences. Okay. Because I feel like you're going to have... I'm giving my sentence to David so he can have three sentences. Wow! Incredible. I'll give my...

1:17:21No, I'm taking mine back, actually, so now you have two. Okay. All right. Let's see. Careful. Siri can now see stuff in your world. Your sentence can still be in flowing English. Oh, okay. Rabbit's entire concept was supposed to be to be able to make sense of apps and act for you, comma. now Siri or whatever iOS may be able to make sense of your apps etc comma and therefore it may be able to act on actions much like a large action model might period sentence one sentence two oh wait can I take my sentence back just kidding now you keep going I mean I'll do two and then you can take one okay perfect um this is what we would say would this is what we said would happen that's that's what and my third sentence is uh rabbit said that they patented the hell out of this period i mean comma so what's gonna happen now question mark yeah yeah ellipses Yeah, I would say, this is what Rabbit was afraid of.

1:18:48Semicolon. I bet Apple's lawyers will find a way to do this without infringing any of Rabbit's patents. Yeah. That's my sentence. Also, between Rabbit and Humane... Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. How many sentences? How many sentences? No, you can keep going. Ask how many sentences. If these both flop, at least Rabbit already sold like 100 ,000 of them and we'll get a bag on it. Do you know how many Humane sold? I don't think they made that public. I don't think they should. Damn. It's$700. Yeah, it's$700. The Rabbit one, it was close enough to the like, this looks fun and interesting and it is Teenage Engineering-esque and it's$200.

1:19:26And it's not a subscription. And it's not a subscription. The commitment is$200 and you just get the toy and you play with it. And if you hate it, it sucks and throw it away. Yeah. If you buy the Humane Pin, it's$700 and a contract and a new phone number and new people have a new phone number for you and pay$24 a month for however long. That's a commitment. Just saying. Okay, that's a lot of sentences. Don't I get a sentence? My sentence is both apple and rabbit picked stinky animals. Are rabbits stinky? Ferrets are stinky. Yes, both. Stinky. Probably because they don't take showers.

1:20:04Says who? Ferrets take like dust best. No, those are chinchillas. what's a dust we gotta get through google it if you're curious I know I will beeper acquired by automatic yes are there two t's in automatic in the company name not in the actual word that was my sentence well that was just the headline oh are there two t's in automatic did they spell that right was beeper the one that signed you in in eastern europe no no that was the other one that was um sunburned sunburn okay which got obliterated and is apparently coming back by the way i saw a headline about they're not buried under nothing's headquarters they should be okay my sentence is uh beeper was acquired by the people who make wordpress and Tumblr, comma.

1:21:03They are now merging with text.com, which was basically the alternative form of Beeper.

1:21:12And now Beeper is open to everybody, so they had a$450 ,000 person wait list that is now just open to everyone. That's my sentence. My sentence is, I don't get it. Just use WhatsApp. do you really want to go down this road I'm content farming guys come on maybe I should just try one of these things comma because I don't understand it that's not fun I just not worth it I get the idea all messages in one inbox you don't get iMessage back you don't get iMessage you made it this far why even it's like a consolidation like platform that takes everything from instagram dms to i prefer the context switching to be i also do they also make pocket casts yeah automatic they own it they've acquired a lot of stuff yeah i didn't know that was part of their port yeah they've got an incredible portfolio i love my sentence this is good for open ecosystems yeah because they a lot of their like philosophy is things like that pocket cast tumblr and wordpress they're all very open and now they've bought beeper which is nice yeah

1:22:37leave that in google vids google vids okay uh this one google just unveiled google vids which is effectively google slides but for video uh so effectively you can collect a bunch of assets from google drive and turn them into a video and the aim is to make it as easy as possible to create a video uh dash uh it's very workspacey slash like corporate in the way that the point is that you can collect a bunch of assets and then do like a voiceover or record from your webcam and they just make an incredibly simple ui that allows you to do like a little two-minute tutorial that you can share with your team or that kind of thing because most people don't have video creation features and what they're probably doing right now is pointing their phone at a screen and it's just terrible.

1:23:32Semicolon. Semicolon. Actually, yes, semicolon. I think that we helped develop this question. Well, I can't use the question mark because that's the end of the sentence. Develop this comma because a year ago, Google called me and asked me about our video production process and specifically about the video editing workflows that we use. A lot of the companies ask about that, and then they just don't do anything useful. They said they were making a video editing app, and that's what this is. So that sounds like Google because when they talked to me originally, it sounded like they were trying to make a Final Cut competitor, but then it became corporate.

1:24:12Yeah, they're like, we can't sell ads in this. Yeah, let's change it. My sentence? Yes. start the countdown timer. I genuinely believe this will be dead. This is in a brutal mood today. I read the headline for this one. I was like, this one's gone in three years. Yeah. 100%. I'd put money on it. I have one. Cool for teachers. Yeah. Yeah, they can send it to their students. Clara's done like so many like quick video things for her students, especially when they were doing like remote stuff. This would be huge for teachers. I'm going to try to keep this to a sentence, but I hard disagree with you, Marquez.

1:24:52I think this is their cap cut. How TikTok has cap cut a video editing thing. Yeah, but it. Sorry. Yeah. I was just going to say this is their version of that. Like I could see them. But it's not for like making videos for social media. It's specifically. How do you like? They could just easily add a template that's vertical and for social media. I mean, you have to pull in things from like Google Drive. Okay. I think both of you can be right. this could be the next big thing but when it becomes it they'll name it something else and kill Google Lids I just I think that there's a lot of assuming the team is funded enough to continue adding features through the three year lifespan it will have I do think there's a lot of niches it can fill like there's just a lot of weird online video editing apps that do like very specific things like have you guys ever used headliner before no it's like a pretty popular one where it's for podcasters so you like connect it with your rss feed it automatically pulls the art you give it a time code of your last episode and it automatically generates you a video with captions for social media and i think if they can build little features into it like that to fill these like very niche uses it'll be a pretty essential part of the a G suite.

1:26:16I actually think it could be really cool for a lot of different scenarios. Yeah, for teachers it would be great. So maybe as like a competitor to iMovie but maybe as like yeah, to like fill in these niche video tools. Also that was not a punctuation mark so this is probably still one sentence. Also it's all online which is really cool. Like you just do it all in the cloud and I don't know as part of the Google One workspace I feel like it makes a lot of sense. Is that what it's called now? I think it's great. I just... Yeah. For sure. Yeah. If it doesn't make a billion dollars, yeah. Hey, look, I got one headline left in the hat.

1:26:55Is it my turn? Put the hat on. I don't know. Sure. All right. Here's the last headline. Oh, this is the shortest one. Ah. Google Gemini 1.5 Pro can now understand audio. My sentence is, the spaghetti was like one year ago. true I think there's less than that sorry

1:27:25you can TLDR waveform don't give them ideas listen to the whole thing twice well hey that's the last headline we did it Thank you for listening to this extensive six-hour special version of Waveform. For making it to the end, we offer you the privilege of commenting the word snickerdoodle and knowing what it means because you got this far and others who didn't get this far won't know what that means. But when you see it in the comments section and you type that, you'll know. You're one of the people who got this far. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's trivia time. Cool. I forgot about trivia. The snickerdoodle thing really threw me off.

1:28:19Quick update on the score. Marquez in the lead with six. Andrew and David bringing up the rear with five each. Thank you. Okay. First question. How many teeth do adult humans have? Google Jamboard. Pixel Pass And remember These are price is right rules Guess too many teeth and you're out Google OnHub Google Stadia Threadit Threadit? When was that? Killed over one year ago Threadit was a tool for recording and sharing short videos It was almost two years old So Google Vids got killed already? Already got killed Oh my god Flip him and read What do you got? Wow we all counted very differently We all have a delta of 2 Marquez let me count your teeth I just counted I have 28 or I had 28 Are you sure about that?

1:29:24So I said 28 You had 28? I had 28 and now I have 24 According to my count My count was with my tongue I don't know 28 is my answer 28 is below the correct answer David what do you have? 30 30 is also below the correct answer which puts you ahead of Marquez, Andrew. 32. Which is the exact number of teeth in your mouth. Best counter in waveform. That's what I was going to guess, but I wanted to lowball it. 32 teeth, huh? A good strategy, David, but unfortunately... Great white sharks out here. Hold on. We all counted our teeth and all got different answers? I didn't count my teeth. I tried, and I couldn't tell the difference if my teeth just kind of had a little wavy part or if it was a separate tooth.

1:30:08yeah I gave up I also didn't count my teeth because I knew the answer I thought it was 32 I just got the same number again you better call that are you sure they didn't take a couple extra out that earthquake knocked a couple that would explain the massive cavity wow yeah dang okay well fair play Andrew well played okay good job tied for lead now right Or is Marquez too ahead of me? No, you're tied in first place. You carried the one, bro. Is this also Price is Right rule, this next one? No. Gotta get the exact number. I don't know. What do you guys... I can... What is the question? I don't want to do Price is Right rule.

1:30:49Should we do... Why don't we do... Closest Delta. Yeah, let's do Closest Delta for this one. I like that. All right. So, of the top 30 most viewed YouTube videos of all time, how many are not... how many are not songs, music videos, or content for young children. YouTube Go. Android Auto for phone screens. Angular JavaScript. Cameos on Google. Android Things. Google My Business. I was on a plane today. I'm feeling a little loopy. Google Duo. Material Gallery. Google toolbar what about Aloe or Inbox next week I'm glad this is a bit alright what do we got alright wow Marquez I said one David three I said zero that is correct I erased it wait wait wait I erased it I'm a dummy why I was thinking me at the zoo was it's not that popular top 30 we're talking like 2 billion plus every single one yeah the 30th answer over here I felt like zero is either like feels like a genius or what an idiot answer actually it's the number 30 which is lean on by major laser has 3.57 billion views so you got to really rack them up to make this list i actually wrote zero and erased it but i i should have gotten that right and that's when that's on me when you erased it were there videos you thought were in no because i knew the fact that uh almost every single one is a music video and i was like how many are not music videos and i knew like peppa pig there's a couple and i was like there's probably like four but then i remember you said also children's content and i'm like dang i think i think all of them are either children's content or music videos i was like but it can't be all of of them.

1:32:59So I put one. But yeah, well played, Andrew. That's a good answer. You all thought about a lot of YouTube. I thought about how's Ellis gonna screw us over on this one. I might have to start thinking about that. Yeah, you were smart about that. I don't usually do trick questions. I play a fair game of trivia. My point this week suggests otherwise. On that note, we will wrap up the pod. Thanks again for watching and listening. Snickerdoodle, we appreciate you. Subscribe. Catch you in the next one. peace bye I'm very tired Waveformer Spruce by Adam Molina and Ellis Rovin we're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro outro music was created by Vein Silk

1:33:48are we only counting mouth teeth?