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37:56Okay, welcome back. This is a conversation I feel like we've been meaning to have for a while. Twitter alternatives. They've been popping up absolutely everywhere. There's a million different ones. Here we go. Some of us have tried some. Some of us haven't. I think within this room, everybody's tried all of these. At least one person's tried at least all of these. So I figured let's go over all of them. Let's see what people think of them. I think some people have had a little too much fun on some of these, and we will go over that. What do you mean? What do you mean? So, yeah, let's do it. I've got on here.

38:31I've got likes and dislikes for... Yeah, I've tried a couple. Also, the first one is, you guys keep talking about LemonAid. That is not one, right? Because I tried to go to it and it did not seem like Twitter at all. No, LemonAid, for those unfamiliar, we can just go over this one quick. It's more of like a Instagram slash TikTok thing. It's like you... I guess you could post text, but it's very visual. It looks like a Pinterest board of an Explorer page of images and swiping through things and also videos and short form stuff. It's like Instagram. Okay. I just kept hearing the name around this time when all these were coming out and just assumed it was one.

39:08I think Adam and Marquez have talked about it a bunch. Okay. I'm going to say for each one how many followers I have on each one. Oh, flex. To give you. No. Actually, no. This is purely for context so you can get an idea. It is. Because I've joined these all around the same time and I've done about the same amount of activity on each one of them and they all have different scales. Okay. Lemonade I have 65 followers on Lemonade just keep that in the back of your head that's the first one that's photos only it's like Instagram video I got some shorts on there oh oh you're posting on it too yeah I'm posting on all these all the ones that I'm on anyway you can tell how many I'm on so Lemonade 65 people okay next up okay I think Mastodon's the first one that everyone was really talking about and I kind of think Adam's used it the most out of everyone I currently use it exclusively really we get asked all the time I think we have a subreddit post like every month like why isn't everyone on mastodon hmm i'm on mastodon are you yeah okay if you have to say sort of that's a no mastodon is the only one i am not on okay somebody was impersonating me on it for a while i think i do remember i remember hearing about mastodon and then immediately hearing about somebody impersonating you with like a verified check mark and i was like started popping up there were people who were like i am the new mkbhd on mastodon follow me here i am not on Twitter anymore.

40:28Who would ever impersonate anyone on one of these things? Terrible. Yeah, we'll figure that out. No, so I'm not on Mastodon, but you guys are. Yeah, this is Mastodon. So what is good about Mastodon? Please explain. Adam should be the arbiter. It does look kind of like Twitter. Mastodon is just Twitter. It's like... If it was just Twitter, I'd probably be on it. No, it's Twitter like eight years ago. Yeah, with a lot less people, a lot less of the cool features and things like that, but the the like big thing about it is that there's a bunch of different servers it's very decentralized so you sign you log in and you sign up with a server specifically like a discord server basically yeah that's like a subreddit it's more like discord service to me it's easier to think about it like discord service it's not so people are going to yell at me i know it's not like a really slow easy way to think about it sure but it's the service analogy is because if you sign up on one mastodon server and someone else signs up on a different mastodon server you two will never see each other or follow each other or interact with each other no you can't you can you can yeah okay so what's the difference between different servers it's just you're being hosted on a different server you're just hosted on different servers there's different rules and different content moderations and different things that each server can do so like they have the rules like subreddits where if you're on this subreddit you can only abide by these rules but then you can still see if you choose to see everyone's So people get to abide by different rules depending on what server they're on?

42:00So you get kicked off or blocked or anything depending on which server you're on. So if I interact with someone's Mastodon post that only exists on one of the servers? Or that doesn't make sense? This is confusing. So the idea is that it's decentralized, right? The idea is that Twitter is a company that owns Twitter.com They own the servers that everyone uses twitter.com okay that means that they get to make the rules they get to moderate everything they get twitter is centralized twitter is centralized yes um the reason that these decentralized social media apps have been popping up is that people don't want there to be one point of control for the rules of a social media platform because a lot of people think that social media is sort of like a public good at this point and that anyone should be able to come up with their own hosted servers that you can run on.

42:51Okay. So the idea of Mastodon is that everybody can see each other's toots. Is that what they call them? Yeah, they're toots. There's no way it's called toots. What do you mean? That's the greatest marketing ever. Yeah. It's a toot. How cute is that? God, imagine having a worse name. It's kind of like a global RSS feed that is just being hosted on different servers. And because it's hosted on different servers, you can't get it taken down by some authoritarian government if it's being hosted by some guy in his basement. so no rules means there's probably way more crazy stuff and crazy corners of it I guess also the person who's hosting it though is I'm assuming going to abide by the laws of the land they live in correct?

43:34I do not even feel like it if you pitch this to me I would be like I'm buying drugs on this this is like kind of the same way that RSS is this feels like cell phone feed it's like a global rss is rss centralized no no okay yeah yeah it's uh just a standard so there's no rss is just a standard yeah and that's the same thing that this runs on activity pub which is just the standard yeah the idea is that social media should just be a protocol and not individual websites that you sign up for like email owned by companies it should be like email anyone from gmail to outlook and they'll get the email so yeah but i don't have to look at racist people in my email Well, you might get some, but Gmail might spam it out.

44:17If you use the different email, it might not have any spam filters or nothing. Yeah. Once we get to Blue Sky, I'll talk about why I think Blue Sky's implementation of everything is a little bit better than Mastodon. Also, Mastodon's very confusing because when you sign up for it, it's like, what server do you want to join? .social? .tech? .at? And it's like, yeah, we finally just changed that. How many servers are there? Can you just make a server? Mozilla just made one like a week ago. So what happens if I join the Mozilla server? You're just on it. You could do that if you want. You can be on several?

44:46No. I mean, you can if you want, but you could only be like one account. If you want to use your main MKBHD account, you would have to pick one. We could technically host an MKBHD server if we wanted, but we would have to maintain and run that server. And when we got a lot of users on our server, it would cost money. This is not for everybody. No. I'm so confused. This is a big commitment to run a server like that. The biggest difference between centralized and decentralized anything is sort of like the level of complexity that you want to have users jump into. Mastodon is definitely too complicated for its own good.

45:20And I think that's its biggest problem. I think Blue Sky, which we'll get to in a little bit, kind of like merges that a little bit, makes it a little bit simpler. It's still a little too complicated, but I think it's a little simpler. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I don't really have much else on Mastodon. I mean, I feel like the, I agree in like principle with the decentralized upsides. It just, the more competition we have and the more specialized each platform is, it kind of doesn't matter if it's centralized or not. They're all different. So that's why things like ActivityPub, which is what Mastodon uses as its protocol, are supposed to basic, if everyone uses the ActivityPub protocol, you should be able to post on Mastodon and it shows up on any other application that uses the activity pub protocol because they want to make social media not a website and a website and a website.

46:09They want to just make social media one protocol so you can post one thing and it shows up everywhere on the internet. If you choose to. Yeah, it might be too late because social media is like a bunch of walled gardens and a bunch of competitive companies. A bunch of businesses. That's what people are trying to break. I do think it might be too late. Yeah, I think it's too late. Everyone who wants to break this probably wants to make a ton of money also but people are kind of seeing this moment as like the opportunity to try it yeah because of twitter facebook owns everything and yeah like youtube facebook there's so many gigantic walled gardens that are never gonna i mean they're they're centralized that's the that's the point so they have then they're incentivized to like make better features and and better competitive things to make you want to use it and if they make bad decisions or have bad features or bad rules, then technically that should hurt them.

47:04Yeah. And as they try to grow and get better, that should matter. Yeah. I think the argument, though, is that some of these, like YouTube, for example, is like too big. Like if YouTube really decides tomorrow they want to do something to like hurt the users, where do you go? No, no. That's why it's like, that's why this is a weird thing to kind of talk about. Maybe why we haven't talked about it for so long is like, I'm not trying to argue for these giant corporations that have all this control. But like totally decentralized and unmoderated also seems like a terrible place that I don't really want to be a part.

47:36Well, it is moderated depending on the server. Depending on the server. It's just they have different moderation rules. Yeah, but it sounds like you can go to ones that don't have rules. You can. But then who's going to be running that? Is that someone you want to align yourself with? Do you really want your account on that server? But those people are still on that same area. Yeah, there's always going to be bad people kind of like off in a corner somewhere doing things. You just don't subscribe to them. discord is like a combination of these things where you can have your own discord server but you don't host it it's still centralized in discord you just happen to make your discord still has terms of service subject to discord's terms there's like a rule yeah right yeah it's kind of a hybrid and i think that's why a lot of people have been joining discord like in the last year or so is because it's kind of it's really easy to do it's really easy to make a group but you don't have to go through any of the complexity of any of this stuff this is also making me realize that maybe we should do, if not a long form, at least like an explainer episode on like ActivityPub and like the future of the decentralized social platforms.

48:33Yeah. If it's even going to be around though, because who knows if it's just like a flash in the bucket. I think it feels like it is to me because we're mentioning that these are Twitter alternatives. Yeah. And you were talking about like, what if YouTube made some huge drastic decision that like really harmed the users? My partially naive, but actually partially kind of true argument is that's impossible because there it's such a big ship with so many people doing so many things that have it has to make all the way up the ladder and so many decisions have to be made that there's no way that one person making one terrible decision could take down the whole thing the way that happened to twitter it's just too big like youtube couldn't make one decision to ruin to burn down the whole shit what if google was like youtube doesn't make enough money anymore we're shutting it down i i don't see that happening i don't see that happening too powerful and too useful to throw it down even if it doesn't make money it's the world's online video library yeah you know i don't disagree i don't disagree but i like i do understand the fear of having it feels like it's not one person but like it's one entity that has like the the rule over yeah a lot and potentially too much.

49:47I think the thinking too is like now is Twitter. So Twitter is going through this whole thing. People are trying to figure out what to do. Facebook owns Instagram, which is the other big one. They own WhatsApp and people are scared of that. So like if one by one these things start to like hurt the users one by one there will be these alternatives. And that's what I think people are trying to like prepare for. I also think the idea is like remember from the Secret History of the Internet episode a couple of weeks ago, TCPIP. right everyone got on this one protocol and you can build out from tcpip you can make all this other stuff just based on this one open protocol um and if the if social media could go a similar direction where everyone used the exact same thing and it was just so easy to just like build off of other people's stuff it does sound pretty great that's what people that's like a future that people that sparkle in their eyes that would be great if there's just one huge social media and it was your videos and your short form and your text blobs and your blog posts and your whatever everything is just one big social media so that sort of moves us to blue sky okay um blue sky uses what's called the at protocol and there it's it's a good name for a protocol i think it's literally the at sign yeah at blah blah and their kind of concept is that you have a handle that is being hosted on your own website or something like that, you can sign up for some app, blah, blah, blah, at bluesky.social.

51:17At bisky.social. Right. But if you own your own website, like I own davidml.com, right? I can now host my Blue Sky account on davidml.com technically. So now my Blue Sky account is just at, it's it's at davidml.com it's not just at davidml.bluesky.social so it's being hosted by my own website which means the app protocol is like if you own your domain you should just be able to that's like a way to verify you right because if amazon owns amazon.com everyone knows amazon owns amazon.com so if on all social media platforms amazon.com was just at amazon.com that's kind of a verified badge without having to use a verified badge.

52:07So I'm following some people. I'm just looking through who I'm following. And I see you're at davidml.com. I'm following Casey Neistat. He is at casey.nyc. Everyone, Adam Molina is at adamolina.com. But others who do not own their own URL. Yeah, Gogur didn't even pay for their own. Unverified, in air quotes, are at.bsky.social. Right. Because this guy knows that most people aren't, like a lot of people don't even own their own websites for sure a lot of most people don't own their own weird um but they know that in order to unload like onboard people onto this social media platform they do have to host servers to an extent so this is also kind of a weird hybrid like environment where yes they run blue sky and it is kind of operated by them and it is not run by the people like Mastodon is.

53:00But the idea would be eventually maybe everyone gets their own account hosted on other servers and then Blue Sky doesn't even have to make money. You know? I don't know. Yeah. It's complicated. It's very far forward. It's complicated. Not making money feels like would be the, I know in some euphoric world where everyone will do a bunch of work on things and not make any money. That sounds wonderful. but I feel like the minute we start talking about things not making a lot of money, it feels like it's going to die. There are awesome open source projects and stuff that people will use that make no money and people just devote stuff to, but the problem is people will always fork that open source project and figure out how to make money from the forked version.

53:41That always happens. And then the money you can use for advertising to get more user base and all of these benefit on user bases. So I think that's the biggest hurdle. Also, wait, can I just, this Blue Sky app logo, is that what they're really going to use? It's the worst logo. That is a great question. It is. It's horrible. The current logo is just like a blue sky with clouds. It just looks like, I mean, I get it makes sense, but, man, it looks so bad compared to all the other things. It's so refreshing. It's terrible. Nice. I don't see the pollen in there. Also, when you go to the Blue Sky website in browser, it shows an app icon that's different.

54:16I did when I first went to it. Yeah, it shows three birds in a square. mine is clouds in a circle I thought I was downloading the wrong thing hmm yeah not great so blue sky looks almost exactly like Twitter I was gonna say I've been using it a little bit I've had it for three weeks it functionally is Twitter yeah the the differentiator for blue sky is that they were able to get like a lot of journalists on it they were able to like really quickly they were able to get a lot of famous people basically a lot of the really really followed Twitter users they were able to get on Blue Sky and that got a lot of people that created a lot of hype for Blue Sky they use an invite system right now and you only get one invite every two weeks so it's very slow roll out one invite every how do I tell if I have an invite when you go to your profile page it'll show the invite codes on the left side there's no messages on the side yeah there's no messaging so far which is pretty annoying you can't block people on this app can't block people yet oh no you can they added yeah they added a moderation they can block people oh fire so i do it really interesting to like watch evolve because there's a following tab and a what's hot tab yeah i wish that there was not a what's hot tab because i just kind of it's just porn pretty much yeah or was for a while yeah on blue sky because there's so few users there still are way more users than t2 which we'll get to after yeah yeah um but because there's so few users you kind of have to use the what's hot tab to like see who you want to follow but whatever is hot people will just start kind of like adding on to and it becomes a trend and there'll be like the trend of the day so one day people just start posting their butts and then everyone started posting their butts nice can i why is how come when i'm looking at this some people's display names are like full display names like there's alex wolf and then marquez is like gets cuts anuncia like john renger just says joe joe hayatos is hayat like weird it just it looks like that's only on the android app because on the evergreen evergreen yeah because i've heard at lol yeah yeah i don't know i was enjoying it and then the what's hot tab was because there wasn't that many people on it yeah like this when there wasn't a lot of people on it the what's hot tab was fine um but now a big reason that twitter has been annoying me so much recently is is the Twitter's new what's hot tab or whatever it's called.

56:48Yeah. Which is like the default. I hate it. It feels like TikTok slash. It's just like meme pages and porn. It's basically all Twitter. It's the most engaged with things they could possibly throw at you. It's so annoying. It's not anything I'm interested in. Twitter's following tab, they like don't refresh that often. Like they don't update it that often. You have to refresh it yourself. Yeah. Well, even when I do refresh it myself, it feels like I don't see new tweets all the time. I don't know. There's some weird stuff. Also, I used to refresh by double tapping the home button on the bottom than rather having to scroll.

57:20Well, if you double tap it refreshes quick and then slides over to what's new. I hate it so much. I'll leave you with this context. I started this three weeks ago. I have 839 followers on Blue Sky. That's not bad. Oh no, you're not on Massive. That's more than the amount of users that were on T2 when we first got on it. That is a fact. Let's finish this up with T2. T2 is also, it's literally made by a bunch of people who formerly worked at Twitter, which is why it's called T2. They all lovingly refer to Twitter as T1. They don't say the word. They just call it T1 and T2. So T2, it's a very basic, I believe, desktop web only version of social media with text.

58:06Can I interject right there? That's the one thing I found interesting between these two. so I've tried Blue Sky NT2 and it's like you're using one on web and one on mobile and then you realize like I really want the other one once you don't have it you're like I wish I could go on the other version because like when I'm at work I'm always on browser on Twitter it's just so much easier but I'm always on my phone anywhere else for Twitter which I check a lot so the fact that both of them are subject to only one version of it feels awful Blue Sky does have a staging app for desktop it's staging.bluesky.com bsky.social.

58:41Jesus Christ. I know. Didn't they change it to .app or something? .app, yes. Staging.bsky.app. Anyway, talking about T2. Started by a bunch of ex-Twitter employees that got fired by Elon. Or left. If you want to know anything about T2, all you need to know is that if you go to t2.social, it is basically our team. All of us are on T2. When I go to t2.social, I'm not logged in. It's two Marquez tweets, one from Ellis. Not tweets. T2s. Oh, what are they called? Tooties. Actually, Toots makes way more sense on T2. It does. There's Tooties in it. Toos. T2 isn't the final name, though. Wait, but what?

59:22Yeah, no, they haven't released the actual. These things are all so confusing. There's Ellis, who got the handle at dad. Yeah, a lot of these just don't have enough users yet. It seems like Blue Sky is kind of snowballing towards getting more and more users seems like the closest to the being closest to being a real twitter alternative right any of them yeah right now blue sky feels like all the people who either stopped using twitter or said they were going to stop using twitter went to blue sky and are um and are blue skying over there sure and there are a few users who are getting like a lot of engagement um like casey newton gets like a thousand likes on every every blue sky post which is cool yeah um but all of these others are just having problems and i don't know people are still on twitter twitter is still technically growing i think twitter's still winning twitter is twitter is definitely still winning yeah i was gonna say my main concern for twitter is if they're just gonna like default on their loans and eventually like close the servers down there's a lot of concerns with twitter i feel like i found trying all these new ones i just go to all of them a lot less i use twitter way less than i used to i feel like i'm mostly using it at work to keep up with stuff and to write stuff for the podcast and still some fun people to follow but i look at it on my phone so much less i'll say i uh you have a little user id when you sign up for t2 which is actually just the number of your joining the site so i'm user id number 630 and there i think there's like 1200 people on this website yeah so there's that i have 298 followers on T2.

1:00:58So there you go. That's T2. There's this other one actually that I didn't tell you guys about, but I did want to bring up. It has basically all the same users as Twitter. It has millions of users. It has video uploading, text uploading. It has ads. They're starting to do ads a little bit now. Substack notes. Basically every politician is on it. ESPN is on it. A lot of NBA players are on it. It's popping off is what I'm trying to say. it's got some business concerns but as of right now it's got the best service I think it's called Twitter and I don't know you should try it I thought you were going to say YouTube it's called Twitter I have I think there's probably a couple million people over there yeah it's pretty solid you should give it a look it's centralized though which is pretty unfortunate yeah there's that it's on fire I would be happy if Twitter didn't actually burn to the ground eventually.

1:01:58Because I do like Twitter. I have spent like 12 years growing like a community over there. And it just kind of sucks if that ends up going under. I've had very good years on Twitter. You're talking to somebody who built up a loyal Google+. Bring it back. Like a very, very solid Google+. How did that feel, having that fall to the ground? It was unfortunate. It was unfortunate. Yeah. We kind of saw, it was like a Jenga tower where you could like, if you're at the top of the tower, you could look down and you could see like the bricks starting to come out from the bottom and you're like, this is not going to end well.

1:02:31Yikes. So we had time. Social media platforms are temporary, but circles are forever, Marquez. You always know. I don't think they are. Circles. Well, the structure of Google Plus lives on. Bring it back. Lives on. I will just say if Google Plus was built on ActivityPub, you would have all those followers still. It just follows you. Adam do you like activity pub or the app protocol more probably the app protocol well we've talked a lot about twitter alternatives and so to finish the alliteration trivia twitter trivia tra-alternatives we've talked a lot and gone nowhere about twitter alternatives what did we expect that might be the title for this episode just like all of these alternatives they've talked a lot and gone nowhere oh my god alright so yesterday Andrew and I shot a really funny video and last night I went home and I put a bunch of the footage we shot of that video on my CRT and all of this will make sense later but it looked hilarious and weird um and that inspired how did you do that uh maybe that's another studio channel video So it inspired today's CRT-themed trivia question, which is, a complete component AV signal requires five cables, three video cables, and two audio cables.

1:04:01Can you name all five colors of those cables? You don't remember plugging the cables into the back of your TV? I do. And what colors they were? I do remember. I was born in 1993. So you still have like 20 years before an HDMI cable with your hands. I think I know these. Never owned any. Oh, yeah. I think I know all of them, actually. I don't know if I know all five, but I definitely know four. Well, there's one point per color. One point per color? One point per color? Yeah. That's brutal. That's insane. I'm getting destroyed by this one. That's going to jack the heck out of these points. Wow.

1:04:33There's five. That's an opportunity for you guys to catch up to me. You could just start naming colors. Component AV. Component AV. So remember, composite AV Remember Was red, yellow, white Exactly Oh, what? Don't say this out loud Yeah, aren't you saying them out loud? No, no, no Composite AV is red, yellow, white Composite That's the three cable one I have composite Remember when you got your Xbox 360 And you were like, oh, I can do this in HD now I think a GameCube had it, possibly? Okay, let's not say anything more Anyway Okay, that's the question We'll be right back

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1:07:28Terms and conditions apply all right we're back what if i told you you could get a free 55 inch 4k tv free all it requires is all of your data all of my data and a lot of ads fine sure wait more ads than normal uh technically yes there's literally an extra screen to feed you ads yeah so there's this new tv that is being launched by the same guy that made pluto tv which i don't know if you guys have heard of that before nope it's basically cable but through streaming they have a channel for effectively every single show that has ever been evered and there's just like a home improvement show there is a star trek the next generation show or a channel sorry channel there's a home improvement channel star trek to the next generation channel a rugrats channel and it just runs like episodes and it's like regular cable TV where it has chunks where it plays episodes one by one.

1:08:29You can't select what you're playing. You can only select the show. Is it legal? That's the first thing I ask. How much does it cost, David? Zero dollars. What? Pluto? Yeah, Pluto TV. So Samsung... There's ad breaks. There's ad breaks. It's exactly the same as cable where they play ads and that's how they pay the licensing. Except they charge you for cable and you have to watch ads. Yeah, cable is the worst deal, actually, because you have to pay for it and you watch ads. I mean, but you're saying none of this is live TV. It's just shows. Yeah. Like, if the game was on, I couldn't watch it on Pluto.

1:09:02Oh, no, no, no. Live TV and, I guess, like, new episodes. I'm assuming they're not getting the next episode of... I doubt it. It's not like... It's a TV show that's on. It's not like when you're on cable and you're watching Nickelodeon and they're like, next Thursday we're playing the biggest new episode of SpongeBob. Like, that doesn't happen on Pluto. It's more of a backlog of just like straight running through. It's like if you left Netflix on keep playing. This is like a worse version of YouTube. YouTube doesn't have like licensed shows. Yeah. You can't watch like SpongeBob episode for the entire thing on YouTube.

1:09:35Unless somebody's like turning it, mirroring it and changing the pitch in the volume. But you can't do that on Pluto either. You can just watch SpongeBob and they'll serve you. Yeah. They serve you SpongeBob. Yeah. And you'll hope you get the episode you're hoping to watch. But during COVID, when I was living with Michael Fisher, I would just randomly walk in at like 2 a.m. and he would just be like, like out on the couch. With three different folding phones on his face. Us usually asleep with like Star Trek, The Next Generation playing on Pluto TV. It would just cycle Star Trek ads, Star Trek ad.

1:10:08Got it. Anyway, back to the TV. Yeah. So this service, the Pluto TV service is not very new. We watched this a lot during COVID. and there's also i think samsung tv is basically the same thing and it's built into all samsung smart tvs they basically have a similar service yeah i've seen that but the guy that started pluto is literally going to be making a tv it's a 4k 55 inch tv that has two displays actually looks really attractive uh very thin bezels with a big soundbar built in right below the main tv and then and a second display that shows things like stock tickers, sports team scores, and then the bottom right corner just has a constantly cycling ad.

1:10:50Yeah, it actually says, so it can display ads and there also are widgets that can show that. So I don't know if it's always that or you pick the widgets or if the ad, I can only assume the ad can also take over that entire screen. Yeah, so you don't put duct tape over that corner. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah, but it's called Tele. it uses tele os and it has a bunch of inputs you can add things like you know your apple tv your switch whatever it's basically a tv but it has a really long terms of service the terms of service basically says that it has to be connected to your wi-fi connection at all times you cannot disconnect it from wi-fi for more than like a few minutes or what it stops working basically they will force you to send it back or they will charge you 500 yeah there's a lot of stuff basically if my wi-fi goes down which it has gone down for 24 hours what i'm sure they can figure that i'll probably work with i'm sure they can do that so like okay they say if we discover you're not abiding by the requirements above or have disconnected the product from an internet connection or wi-fi for more than short periods each month you will no longer be able to use the service and you must return any products in your possession or else you get a 500 fine yeah um and There's also like what I find really funny is you can opt out of data sharing, which just means then they'll shut the TV off and then you have to return it or else you pay a$500 fine, which I think is wild.

1:12:12But I mean, let's be we all understand that the way they're making money on this is selling the data. And like I for free. Sure. That's that's like an interesting way of doing this. I do want to know when you return the TV, are you paying or are they giving you a return? No idea. because returning a 55 inch tv is not not easy so definitely save the box if anyone decides to do this it's also at free tele.com which if i got a text message randomly that said like that get a free tv at free tele.com i'd be like the amount of terrible domain the malware i would be getting from that website would be wild so when you say data you mean my tv watching data it's a combination of stuff well and the ads they're serving you and like if you're they do there's a camera on the tv that does have a privacy filter.

1:13:00That's turned off. The privacy filter is over the camera by default. Yeah. But I think you have to open it up for certain things. I'm a little confused on that part. They're definitely collecting it. And the username you use, I think, has to be your name or something. It can't abide by someone else. So you can't use all fake information. So if you're in a position where you can't afford a nice TV and you are looking to get one and you're okay with dishing out, all your your user information with which let's be real all of us kind of are on the internet already so like it this feels like a step further um to this unknown company listen if that's the sacrifice you want to make to have a 55 inch 4k tv and i know there are people out there that would do that for sure um the thing is do you guys use roku tv by any chance i don't know i have a roku tv it's like one of the best selling tvs like the tcl roku ones yeah they already do this and you're paying for the tv like they take your data and sell it so i'm wondering how much data is this thing taking i am wondering they did also i found this really interesting there's a part where it says um ads might utilize both displays when you're not using the tv so does that mean when i have it off is there just going to be a double screened full ad for pepsi in my living room that feels that feels a little weird i'm not a fan of that that's the do breaker so it has advanced sensors that it says for fitness and interactive gaming hd camera for video calling mic array it's got a connect you say about this tv the worse it sounds yeah it's got like biometrics it's like looking at me on the couch and i have to share that data associated with my real name yeah i don't like it one of their quotes are hundreds of things we are thinking about to create the most engaging ad experience ever which is the last thing i want for my corporate thing yeah you know what i always thought about like technically if you asked me do you want no one to have any of your data but none of the ads will be they'll they won't make any sense to you you'll just get like an ad for pampers and then an ad for vegetables and then an ad for contact lenses like nothing makes any sense or do you want ads to actually make sense to you and i guess if you gave me the choice I would say I'd rather have ads that do make sense so that I can find things that I actually like this is literally the Facebook like would you like to allow the site to track you button that Apple messed up for Facebook last year yeah was I like because Facebook's whole angle was like do you want just random ads that are being thrown at you that have nothing to do with you like you know because I turned it off I turned off uh ad tracking just to see what would happen i started getting ads for like lingerie things that don't make any sense like i'm yeah yeah things that make no sense for me and um when i turned back on i started getting it make no sense but it's wow uh when i turned it back on i started getting ads for like film camera stuff you know right like i'm not gonna say i'm immune to ads like i have gotten ads for things where i've gone oh yeah i'm gonna get one i bought a pair of pants from an ad i got once which is like I got all the time.

1:16:08I got, yeah. I just bought a Ninja Creamy. I got influenced so damn hard. It was rough. So is that, I guess, yeah. If you just want to turn that dial all the way up, this is your product. Yeah. The funny thing is the TV actually looks kind of dope. Dude, I love the second screen on it, to be honest. Like if I could do that without ads and control some cool stuff on there. Like if I could watch hockey and then have other hockey scores on the bottom or whatever. The thing is, you can opt out of everything, and they just charge you$500. And$500 for a 4K full screen TV doesn't seem that bad. Well, you can't buy it.

1:16:45You can opt out and then not return it and then pay the fee. But no, they said if you opt out, it will shut off services, though, I think. You can't use it at all. I'm sure there's some hacky way of doing it. Within a year, Samsung is going to make a dual screen with a soundbar in the middle of the TV just like this, and it's going to be awesome. I would love to. Yeah, like watching F1 and it has all the race, like the leader and everything underneath that and times and sectors and stuff. Like there's so many cool things that could be down there. Is this just a touch bar for a computer? It's better that you can't touch it.

1:17:18I mean, it does depend on like programming, taking advantage of the bar, but yeah. This is more like the Asus dual screen laptop that has that second display on the bottom. Yeah. I'm in. Back in the 50s and 60s, it didn't really make it to the 70s, but you would find two or three screen TVs where it would all be in one cabinet and you'd have one main display and then two fist-sized displays. So the idea is that you could be watching whatever program you watch and then keep an eye on the game. I like that. It's hardware picture-in-picture. Sort of, yeah, except you'd picture a big wooden cabinet because it's the 50s and 60s and then your main picture tube and then two sort of smaller submoders.

1:18:01I like that hardware picture and picture. Picture out of picture. Yeah, it's picture out of picture, exactly. P.O.P. pop. Picture, picture, picture. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I do think there's some people that could benefit from this, but just know your life is out there pretty much. They're going to have everything on you. Some advertiser's going, but they're going to target you with the perfect ad. Yeah. They're going to hit you with the, are you hungry right now for sushi like you usually get at this hour on this day? Yes, someone knows. We got you. Well, that's probably it. You're usually on the couch eating Cheetos right now, but it looks like you're all out.

1:18:37Would you like to order some on D-Dash? Completely compromise my privacy, but you know what? I do want some Cheetos right now. That's a good place to end it. Not sponsored. Yeah, definitely not sponsored. We should answer our trivia questions, which of course are super, super easy this week. Listen, last week we went too soft, so this week we had to bring the pain. How is it too soft when I'm the only one that got the right answers? Don't question it. It was just too soft for me. To bring the pain for everyone. Yep. Blame David. Okay. Update on the scores. Marquez has 14. Andrew has 9. David has 15.

1:19:14Will Andrew get double digits by the end of the trivia season? Will he get all five colors in Ellis' question? You could tie David. What? You don't think I can get the first question right? You could tie me. Well, yeah. You would get one. True. Yeah. Okay, so the first question. The color at wavelength 464.2 nanometers is what? That's basically what it all boils down to.

1:19:42I just...

1:19:46This is going to be so wrong and I'm going to get so laughed at by all those optical engineers. Do you want to hint? No. No. You don't want to hint? No hint. No hint? I want to know the trick. It's not a trick. It's just like general knowledge thing. General knowledge. That's what we'll call this general knowledge. All right. Flip them and read. What do you think? I put white, which is not a color. Marquez, what'd you put? I wrote gray. Nope. That's a little. I wrote blue. Correct. How? Blue is at 164. I literally picked the easiest color I could possibly think of. And the waiting color behind you is blue.

1:20:26How is that? When you said, hold on, when you said, do you want a hint? I said no, because I was like, he's going to say something about these damn lights. Although I had blue in already. The hint was that 700 nanometers is red. That's at the other end. Tell me. Of the visible spectrum. I know that blue to infrared, blue to red is the spectrum. That's why I knew white was wrong. I just had no, I was like, why would Adam? I just figured you can either, I thought that you guys would choose either blue or red. Like one end of the spectrum. That was my main... Throw red and crushed it out. I did. I was like, I need to pick a simple color here.

1:20:58I was going to... So there's like a 30 % chance. I was going to pick red and then I was like... Didn't know I was surrounded by a bunch of morons. Those are the only two that I know. It's just... You know what? Yeah. Andrew, I'm proud for you. Thank you. You don't see me. You have validated me. I'm happy for you. No, I am. No. I'm legitimately happy for you. It's a smiling face mask with the tears behind it. Okay. Well, now I know. 400 and what? 464.2 and what is red red is around 700 i don't know exactly the the actual point two that was just specifically for this general knowledge color gamut it's around 400 to 500 is ultraviolet and blue and 700 ish is red i'm pulling that out on my next date just green green is this just feels like everything i learned in school it's like you learn it so you write it on paper and forget it green is somewhere in the middle i don't know what yeah white's not a white's all the colors so yeah that's the first thing i wrote and then i wrote gray and i'm like that's not in the gray is just a luminance level of white yeah that's the thing obviously yeah it's a it's a not a chroma it's a luma next question all right question two a complete component av signal requires five cables five one two three four five three for video and two for audio can you name all five colors of those cables

1:22:23we just talked about this not that long ago so i better get this right did we like two weeks ago this got brought up for some reason what just ellis and i were no no no just ellis and i in the studio we're talking about component cables yeah because we were talking about s video and that's right yeah wait is there purple this is absurd is there purple I think there's purple

1:22:49I'm out of time I'm out of touch you're out of time you know what I'm saying alright who wants to read it first I just read a bunch of colors and then circled the ones that I think because we just learned that gray is not a color yeah red green and blue you gotta read them one by one oh okay so for video I picked red green and blue and then for audio I picked black and white white is correct wait we didn't have to name which ones they were right we just have to name five of them I got four out of five not bad I have red, yellow oh no sound on that one white, blue, green red, yellow, white, blue, green wow I had a conniption there there's no yellow that's my bad wait there's no yellow?

1:23:36There is no yellow in a component signal. Is it purple? It's not purple. What did you rate? Wait, Andrew, how many did you get? You got four out of five? You got four out of five. Red. Yellow. Green. White. Black. All right, I got three. Three for five? The last color component was a second red. Oh, yeah. There's two red cables. How do you get it right if you're plugging them in and there's two red? Because they're different shades, right? No, because one of them is red audio. and one of them is red video. Wow, okay. Can you tell me the difference between component and composite? I would absolutely love to.

1:24:13So a composite.

1:24:18I knew you would. I was teeing you up for that because I absolutely knew that you would just love to. You know how you can modulate multiple signals into one cable? Well, think of it this way, right? red and luminance the difference in blue and luminance you're able to extract your green values you know via that equation and then you have your full color signal i like that i just learned that the components would be like the components of the signal yeah and if anyone composite oh composited i always thought there was exactly i always just thought there was another two colors that got added to the original three, the OG3.

1:25:07No. So why does the composite cable have two audio signals? Is it channels? Left and right. Yeah, it's left and right. Wow. And if you really want to impress your date... Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Rovin. We're partners with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro-outro music was created by Vane Still. Marquez also looks like he's just going to disappear. I want to know, though.

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