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31:21Read, watch and listen to The Guardian for free at theguardian.com. All right. Welcome back. We got to talk about Samsung's event and the things they announced. And that's two distinct different things. the event was really not great but the things they announced were pretty solid so we can talk about both of those things samsung uh z fold 7 z flip 7 watch 8 watch 8 ultra z flip fe we got all the things to talk about um and i made a video of first hands-on and impressions with a lot of this stuff especially the phones which i thought were actually pretty impressive and then we watched the event and my god yeah my god it was bad i it's been a long time since i saw that level i was trying to pinpoint what the feeling was of watching this event dread because there's a lot of like cringy events lots of cringy events especially samsung lots of cringy samsung events but this one had like an extra heavy dose of really insincere feelings yeah like they would get on stage and go wow that's exciting next up like the the one-liners and then the interviews and then the people who are trying to especially with the ai they would talk about like an ai feature about you could google something and then they go see a true genuine ai companion and i'm like not that's not what that is that's just googling something it felt to me that nobody in the event believed what they were saying that's yes that's how it felt yeah they were not a single word they were not good at being like like legitimately hyped or at least seeming legitimately hyped it was just like we are reading off of a powerpoint and i know i know they do this on every event yeah but it felt especially like wow isn't that exciting okay next this felt like if you played an example for like if you wanted to give a presenter for the first time like something to aim for and something to avoid this is what you would play of like don't do this because Because everyone will think you don't care and you are not invested at all and you don't believe what you're saying.

33:28Yeah. But every line was like that. Every person was like that. Every person. It's weird. It really felt like almost everything they announced, you know, software-wise. Am I wrong in feeling like I've seen every single thing already? And just like nothing felt even remote. And like maybe coupled with that is why it felt so still. The hardware was new. Much of the software is stuff we've seen before. And again, a lot of companies do this. they'll re-announce the same stuff as last year and they'll go it's better than ever and it's still helpful and people are loving this and they'll just announce it again basically or add a singular feature and yeah and say it's reinvented or something but um yeah i just have this this memory of like they brought this uh half marathon world record holder on stage because they were talking about the new the running coach in the watch and he walks on stage and the whole conversation is so scripted.

34:18It's like cardboard box on stage, looks and goes, yeah, great watch. And then the guy next to him goes like, by the way, do you have any tips for runners? And then he goes, yeah, run a lot. And then he goes, thanks, and walks around like there's no substance to it at all. Where you could see, right, they thought it was a good idea to do that because, oh, we could try to convince people that this guy uses the Galaxy Watch 8 while he trains. And then it'll be great because he's a world record holder and, oh, this will be great. He uses all these features. but none of that we didn't even get to laugh at sydney sweeney cringing at her own ai emoji they did a other cringeworthy thing i don't know it is what it is but at least that was fun and funny the ai look there have been hundreds of thousands if not millions of hours of stock footage of new york that has been shot over the last five years you know why was were they ai generating that city because they can it looked so bad source material like and i i I feel like they might have wanted to be like, and by the way, that was all AI generated.

35:19And they never did. Well, they won't now because it looked so bad. Yeah. It was similar to the like unlabeled beer can that just says beer. Yeah. It was like the most basic stock version of New York City possible. And like we always like we sit around the big TV here and watch these events like all together as an office. And with Apple, I feel like when we're watching an Apple event, they buy into it so hard that that's what we make fun of when we're cracking jokes around here like watching it yeah they right no one here believed any of it so we were just sitting there like kind of bored like wait what is happening right now this is 180 degrees different you can make fun of apple because they're they're almost like everything is magic and this is all fantastic and you're like all right come on like the smoothness of the liquid glass underneath is yeah i'm like overly leaning in which i get it that translates to some people but this one felt like how does this translate to anyone yeah no one is gonna watch this and get excited or or believe anything that they're seeing i feel like i'm ragging on them i'll we'll just i'm gonna i'm gonna cut i'm gonna cut together a couple of clips for for us to put in the podcast right now to get a taste of what i'm talking about so we'll just roll that right now thank you alice isn't her story inspiring

36:32how cool is that

36:37that was awesome thanks guy

36:46wow incredible right

36:52ah amazing that energy is contagious okay so now you've seen it there's that uh there was one point where all of us sitting down had like an ooh ah moment and i think it was watch eight classic the first time they showed that that was the only time we were like oh damn wait that looks good and everyone like quieted and it had nothing to do with the software it had no nope just beautiful looking watch yeah the phones though a bunch of interesting updates like actually new hardware so let's start with the fold 7 fold 7 is they did the thing where it it is actually different and new and better to use both closed and open so the outside display is wider the bezels are thinner and the entire phone is dramatically thinner.

37:38So using it closed feels closer than ever to a regular phone. That's like the whole point. Open each half is like 4.2 millimeters or something crazy and you close it up and it's like a little over eight millimeters close to the dimensions of an S25 Ultra. It's actually lighter than an S25 Ultra. So you're holding the thing and looking at it and with one hand it's reachable. It feels like a regular phone. You open it, and it's a bigger than ever 8-inch screen. It's pretty square still, but that's your multitasking display. That's your full-screen games and videos with big black bezels. But that is the Galaxy Z Flip experience.

38:14It's better open than it was before. It's better closed than it was before. Z Fold. Z Fold, sorry. They also gave it the 200-megapixel sensor from the S25 Ultra. So slightly different optics, but big camera for the primary camera. They didn't quite get flagship cameras in all of the rest. There's still an ultrawide and a 3X telephoto. but it is a big ultra primary camera now which is good and i've also never seen a phone rock like that on a table in my life in my whole life i'm 31 years old i've reviewed a lot of phones i've never seen a phone rock like that on a table so that was impressive um and then three other smaller potential downsides one i know david you saw somebody using a an s pen with a i realized that i didn't tell this story in the podcast i told it before the podcast and i referenced it on podcast if i had told it yeah so let me tell the story and then we'll be sad for her sure okay so so i'm in the airport right be me airport you're sitting waiting for your flight for three hours because you get there way too early i'm saying marquez cannot already lost i see this old woman being pushed in a wheelchair as they do in the airport right she's like going along with oh that's an old woman um that's what i thought and then i i noticed as she's coming by me i was like what's she holding she's a holding a fully opened galaxy fold six wow and not only is she holding the fully open galaxy fold six while being pushed in the car she's using the s pen with it whoa and i was like huh okay yeah i went from like wait are foldable phones only for young people to wait are foldable phones better for old yeah when you first told the story i was like that makes so much sense yeah it was like big screen big words the guy biggest font you've ever seen yeah like you've seen the people on the plane with like the giant font oh yeah with an open fold you can have it be like even bigger font even bigger yeah so the bad news is the fold 7 no s pen support oh my god they got rid of it they justified it so it's not an ultra that was my question oh i had one question can you use the s pen on this thing yeah so they use the word ultra in the marketing a lot probably too much.

40:23That's what made me think it had S Pen. Yeah, the only Ultra thing about it is they brought the Ultra's 200 megapixel camera, primary camera, to this Fold. But that's really the only thing they brought from the Ultra. Everything else is very much in line. I feel like we fully eclipsed the dream of the Fold having the pen in it, right? Because they kept getting so close. They added the case that had the... First, they just sold the pen separately and it was like, we're going to lose that. and then they made the like four galaxy phones for fourfold one which was thinner and it had the like specialist the special pen that was like lighter and it did softer and then they sold the case with it that had the pen in it and i was like okay we're one step closer to it just being in the phone like the note yeah and then i think they made rid of it so they made all that progression and then looked at the numbers and nobody's using the s pen with it which is like maybe a chicken and egg thing because it's so hard to remember to bring the s pen with you that maybe people just didn't want to do it and if they just put a spot on the phone for it people would use it more or even just have it magnetized to the side like this one even that though your pocket falls off oh man don't you put that in the bag though yeah doesn't it fall off every time what is a pocket but a bag on my pants that's fair the s pen would end up in your pocket every time i would the old woman have baggy pants like trap pants well or a purse or a bag or travel bag whatever but nevertheless they got rid of the digitizer layer they were able to make the ultra thin glass layer on top thicker like an extra digitizer that they had they had an extra digitizer layer for the s pen support they got rid of it it doesn't support s pen anymore um so that's one two is uh so the battery is the same size which is impressive in a thinner phone but 4400 milliamp hours if you've seen what silicon carbon batteries are doing in other ultra thin foldable phones in other places yeah this is less impressive like the honor magic 5 is the one i showed in my impressions video which is actually thinner than samsung's phone yeah and just as light and has like a 5 800 million power bag i have something i want to note yep so when i was at google io a google engineer came up to me and they said hey david i know you guys keep talking about silicon carbon batteries on the podcast uh i just want to tell you that like as an engineer these silicon carbon batteries last substantially shorter periods of time than like the traditional cells you mean like lifespan lifespan wise and he said after like a few years they lose like a ton of capacity and so whether or not that's true he's he's the engineer not me um but i think that probably the reason that these bigger companies or at least companies are bigger in western markets are sticking still with these older things is because they're the ones doing like seven years of software upgrades whereas it seems like a really interesting point a lot of the chinese these phones it's like they release 20 of them a year and they're just like boom boom boom boom boom and it's also so that's an interesting point i kind of wonder how much shorter they last when you see he said like that by two to three years they're like degenerated a lot more than the traditional ones are because you know the ones that are lagging on silicon carbon batteries at least now that we're seeing all these updates are like the big major flagships samsung galaxy s pixel that are sold in western markets yeah and these are phones that people tend to have for many years right where almost every other phone like the enthusiast phones the ones that are bought by people who upgrade more often can do that it's like the we just saw the the nothing phone three but also like the oppo you know find whatever and the one plus 13 and like all these phones with silicon carbon batteries which are great and will be awesome for years but maybe not the seven eight nine exactly like people that are going to be upgrading their phone more often because they're more enthusiasts.

44:07I don't know. I mean, if you're a battery engineer, please tweet at us or something. I mean, I could argue that the Fold is one of those phones that people are not going to use for seven, eight, nine years. I think that's an enthusiast phone. It's a$2 ,000 Fold. That's fair. That's fair, yeah. But yeah, we'll see. I think that's my concern is 4 ,400 milliamp hours when it has a massive eight-inch screen on the inside is not going to be the best battery life, but TBD. Yeah, TBD. I think I had one more negative. Oh, the Flip has an Exynos chip. So if we want to talk about the flip. The FE, right?

44:37Both. What? Both. What? Yep. They switched from a Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 to an Exynos 2500. Gen 3. Did they tell you why? They didn't tell me why. In fact, it was kind of hard to get the information out of them in the first place. They said, it's got an incredible three nanometer chip. And then I go, yeah, but which one though? And then I go, it's the Exynos 2500. So yeah, that is potentially a downside of the new flip. but the new flip is also bigger it has a bigger battery 4300 milliamp hours versus 4000 it has a bigger external 4.1 inch display the fun fact i just retweeted christian selig just tweeted it's a bigger screen than the original iphone whoa the outside secondary screen on the flip is bigger than the original iphone that's crazy so yeah it's fully like edge to edge yeah it's a square but it's it's like around the cameras now which are just punched through cutouts uh it's a 6.9 inch screen inside instead of 6.7 so bigger flip thinner fold thoughts questions do they have decks yes both have decks very exciting let's go you know what's funny too they had a part in the keynote where they were doing the skating spot with the skater person and someone was filming with the flip as if it was a handy cam which is a feature that the moto razor brought a couple of years ago and it they have it it's very fun they lean into the record they lean into it a lot like it has a different ui and you can like zoom in and out like you would do in a normal camcorder and the ui is different it's cool um i'm wondering if they're gonna have anything like that but it is funny that samsung's like following moto on this also moto had the full screen like way before yes they did yes they did so but you know this is just samsung going a like they looked around at others that were innovating in the space because technically they were first but they went around and looked at the other successful features and they just adopted those into theirs.

46:30This is not the first thin fold either. But they just adopted that. They've re-engineered the hinge and displays and all that to make less of a crease. And now they're the big one. So they're the one that people will see. Yeah, it is nice to have that full screen. And I wonder if they're going to do any weird games like Moto did. They also had some stuff where you'd have to use the cameras as little buckets and you had to land them. It was like a maze. And you, I think, used the gyroscope, right? Yeah. I did like that they did just because it reminded me of S10e days where they did like wallpapers on the front screen that used the cameras as part of like the cat's eyes or something like that.

47:05I've always been into that. Very nice. Last major point, Fold 7 is$100 more expensive. It's$19.99 starting. Flip 7 is the same price,$10.99 starting. And then the FE is how you get in cheaper. That's$8.99 for an Exynos 2400. Damn, that's still expensive though. Because when Razer did their cheaper flipping version a few years ago, that was like$600 or$700. That was a great deal for if you want to be the person who's like, well, I'm not going to spend too much on a phone, but it folds? What is this? This is still pretty expensive. Do any of these have G2? No. You knew that answer already. I didn't see it in the dock.

47:47I had to make sure. It's waiting for so long, dude. Yeah, the Samsung experience is don't expect Silicon Carbon, don't expect Qi 2, don't expect ultra-fast charging, don't expect, like, the crazy features. Just, you know, the stuff that's proven. Once one or two years of Magic phones do it, all right, we can do that, too. I can't wait to see the fold. It does look significantly thinner. It feels so different. And, like, pretty awesome. The rock I also really want to see in person because it's so funny. We can bring them on the podcast. Not the person. Wait, what? The rocking on the table. Oh, oh, oh.

48:19The video of you rocking it on the table is so funny. The rock lobster? Yeah. Freaky. We should also mention that the FE, the screen, is last year's screen. So did we say that already? Yeah, the FE is fully just a flip six. Yeah, it's just a flip six with X and X. Just a way to sell stuff again. I'm thinking if that's the one to get this year. The flip six? Yeah, like the flip seven and the fold seven didn't really impress me that much. and this one at that price, or maybe even last year's phone, if you get it at a discounted price, well, assuming you want a flip, not a fold. I think this is a big jump for the fold just as far as usability with all the thinnerness and lighterness.

49:04The flip, I could see that argument being fine. I want to see tests for these Exynos chips because there's rumors of like, oh, Samsung's going to go fully back to Exynos for everything. TBD, I want to see benchmarks. I want to test this thing, but we don't have it yet, so I can't really say this is the one to get this year. I just want to see what they're actually capable of. Interesting. But yeah, that's the new folds and flips. And then we've got the new watches. New watches, new Watch 8 and Watch 8 Ultra. They all kind of now have this circle on a squircle design and Watch 8 Classic, thank you.

49:38$349 for Watch 8,$499 for Watch 8 Classic, $649 for Watch 8 Ultra. Is the Ultra different from last year at all? blue it's blue oh yeah no no i think that's stunning new blue color and that's what apple did so it is a cool blue color yeah that matches with very few things you probably have but other than that i can't even find the watch eight ultra watch eight classic looks so good like i think the the circle on the squircle design on the regular eight does not look very good um in some of their graphics it looked fine but when you took footage of it i thought it looked terrible it just looks like it's missing a bunch and then but when you add the bezel the rotating bezel on that it looks really good i kind of think they both look good i think the the watch a classic is the best looking one out of all of them i like circle and squircle yeah they call it a cushion now which i get it it's like it kind of looks i feel like it makes sense i don't know why but it looks like a cushion yeah like a circle on a bigger a bigger like squircle shape i don't know cushion they call cushion but it's a good looking watch it's a throw pillow yeah i'm also gonna play let's see if we can keep this in the pod but i'm gonna play the clip of the runner now who's uh using a watch eight allegedly jacob it is such an honor i'm a huge fan i see that you're wearing the new galaxy watch eight how's it feel it's he's it's light comfortable and easy to wear i'm excited for the next it is it's so important he just clearly there's a language barrier here so i don't know why they decided to put him on stage even without the language barrier like live translation to deal with this the host though is just equally yeah racing what advice would you give to aspiring long distance runners discipline and consistent training but it's not even yeah it's run he's just like completely stone-faced he's literally standing like a character select screen i i even think like this script no matter who delivers it is terrible yeah you could have the most enthusiastic person just be like oh yeah and you're a runner too like what do you think like while i have you here how should i like train like what do you think is good advice for me as a runner yeah discipline and consistent training that's the on-stage answer all right i guess you could have said but also just the like it is such an honor i am such a big fan yeah that was every transition what it was tough anyway anyway so that's yeah that was samsung unpacked there's uh plenty more to test we're gonna get these devices in hand we're gonna test them out let us know if you want to see reviews of each of these individual things i know a lot of people are hungry for a watch 8 review yeah so i'm hearing those but uh yeah let us know in the comments they did add the running coach that apple added as well yeah um i'm wondering if it's just as cursed i think apples is way more like vocal and just encouraging so great you're doing good one minute one mile in you're at a good pace actually this one will tell you like you're going too fast you're going too slow it is very similar in concept to be honest so yeah that's all happening and vascular if my run playlist was ever interrupted by an ai voice saying that i would fly to cupertino personally to complain.

52:54Yeah. I think this is not going to be my favorite feature. Well, we got more to talk about, but before we get there, ad break and trivia.

53:06Trivia. So, question two. Hit it, Ellis. Were you paying attention? Oh, boy. No. Why wasn't it? When they debuted, debuted the new Fold 7. That's the thing everyone's putting on their purses, right? Yeah. The debut. What did they brand the hinge? What is it called? Oh, I know. It was a cool animation. It was a cool animation. I gotta hit it again. Were you paying attention? No. Do you guys know who says that? Were you paying attention? That's good trivia. Good waveform trivia. It's you, isn't it? Yeah, it's me. Wow. Do you guys know who sits in this chair every week? It's me. Not last week. That's true.

53:56It was you. It was you again. It was me. Okay, we have to take a break. We'll be right back.

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56:18Yeah. Yeah. And I'm going to try and explain it. Listen, everyone out there, those Formula One fans, I am this stupid American who watched Drive to Survive and now likes Formula One, so take what I say with a grain of salt. but I'm going to explain to you what happened and you are going to try both of you since you watch a little bit of Formula 1 you don't know what it is at all well I know it's the car racing thing Marquez one time when he did this Formula 1 explained video I did watch that I learned that it's like more of an engineering competition which I find interesting it's great Silverstone was one of the most fun races I've ever watched by the way this weekend adam watched it it was very good those are like the guys with the no they're not it's a course um okay so what happened yeah you both know red bull correct red bull the racing do i oh do i well in red bull's ever uh expanding way of marketing an energy drink they bought an entire racing team yeah and that racing team in the last couple years has been like absolutely dominant max verstappen beats people to a point where i think most betting sites you were betting on who was going to win not including max verstappen oh wow um until this year until this year where he has not been doing very good mclaren is doing incredible but yeah christian horner the principal of red bull am i getting that right principal principal manager okay coo it's very confusing because like zach brown is the ceo of mclaren racing but always kind of looks like the principal and drive to survive anyways christian horner principal confirmed principal confirmed thank you was let go from red bull today now he is the person who basically manages the drivers manages kind of the strategy he manages the entire team and he has been with this team since 2004 i believe 2004 2005 pretty much when red bull started he he's been the managing the red bull racing team since red bull started and they were not a team that was as dominant as they are now back then um in fact i think the story is that red bull bought a previous racing team for like one dollar or something they like bought the spot for a dollar but then with the promise of investing like 300 million dollars into it um that's a heavy asterisk it is you can have this for a dollar asterisk christian horner has been like the the face of managing red bull yeah i mean i think red bull's got 300 million in their wallet um well for me and because they've been so dominant max and christian have kind of been like untouchables it feels like um last year one of the main race card designers of red bull adrian newey left the team after some there was some controversy that christian did that i don't feel like talking about um but like people know about the controversy yeah did they knew he left the team yeah yes he left the team um max and newy were pretty close so max stayed with the team this year he has not been racing well very poorly in fact really like bad not podiuming yeah like not podium like a lot i think he had his first dnf in like two years or something also did not finish the race whoa um i mean like this is a guy who was like straight up going into races where he had like he won qualifying he had the fastest lap of the race and won the race most of the races in the season and now he's like consistently not podium anyways christian horner left this morning which is like a big shock to the whole world max is still there there's a bunch of rumors of max potentially leaving to Mercedes.

1:00:07And this kind of makes it feel a little more true or a last-ditch effort to save it. But I wanted you guys to attempt to explain this in tech terms of kind of the leader of Red Bull. Since the team started and was terrible and no one cared about them, clawed them up to the top of being basically a movable object to now within half a season of not being an immovable object is gone. after 20 years. Carl Paye leaving OnePlus. Ooh. That's it. But OnePlus isn't trash. Well, OnePlus had this super rise where he was on it for a long time. Maybe not 20 years, but he was on it for a long time. Then they had this meteoric rise, so they were literally a fan favorite.

1:00:55Yeah. The OnePlus One all the way through to the OnePlus 7. God-tier phones for enthusiasts. People love these things. They were like, oh my God, if they could just have wireless charging in this one little thing. This would be like the greatest phone ever. And then they just stopped podiuming hard. Like they stopped making phones that people really loved and they started making ones that were a little overpriced and started to go off the deep end and then Carl Pay left and started another thing. A lot of people followed him. He was kind of the max probably or maybe he's a Christian owner. I don't know.

1:01:26But he was one of the driving forces between them or for why they got so good. Driving forces. I'll throw one more thing out there because I think a lot of people do like Carl Paye, no one is upset that Christian Horner is off of Red Bull. He's kind of the villain at this point. I mean, he had a controversy last year, but he's also just kind of been... What makes him the villain? A d***. He's been a d***. He's both responsible for their rise for 20 years, and also people hate him. He's partially responsible. I mean, he was the leader of it, so you have to give him some responsibility. Adrian Newey probably would be...

1:02:01In tech, who's that? He'd leave. I think I started coming up with an idea and it felt Steve Jobs II because like Apple wasn't back but no one was mad when he might no yeah no one was mad that sorry no one was happy Steve Jobs I do about like 1980 no one loves Steve Jobs you're not talking about like I do about Steve Jobs passing or Steve Jobs leaving Apple no no leaving Apple coming back oh when he left Apple the first time like they were starting. I guess Apple didn't really start to claw into the like we are number one. Screw everyone else till the end of his second tenure. They had that for a long time.

1:02:44No, other than the Macintosh the 84 Macintosh Apple actually didn't really have a single hit product. No, yeah. But they still, their whole ethos was always like we design things differently than everybody else. Totally. No, totally. Just that none of them actually sold well other than macintosh and if i'm wrong about that please the apple 2 sold well um and the 2e but other than that it's interesting story i don't know that yeah it's it's actually one of those that probably doesn't have a direct equivalent because in this case apple and red bull have to be equivalent and i don't know if red bull and apple are equivalent we're basically just trying to describe a guy that no one liked leaving a team but a guy a guy who like is fairly responsible for this team being the like number one like not just number one but like best number one dominating yeah interesting yeah it was like it's weird because I have like a different analogy but it's also sports no me too all I have are sports I have other sports coaches leaving teams who are like yes yes it's like when Mr.

1:03:45Krabs like left left the crusty crab because he built it up you know and then Spongebob took over and everyone was like, okay. Wait, did that happen? I don't think this happened, but I still like the analogy though. Yeah. Okay, I'm going to make a fake SpongeBob episode. Krusty Krabs is number one. Yeah, Krusty Krabs is number one. Red Bull Racing Team, Krusty Krab. He was number one, right? The reason they're number one is both SpongeBob, who is actually probably Max Verstappen, but also behind the scenes. Everyone hates Mr. Krabs, but you need a Christian Horner, a Mr. Krabs, to make this thing go.

1:04:23I feel like Christian Horner and Mr. Krabs give off pretty similar vibes. So they got to number one. Christian Horner, a.k.a. Mr. Krabs, leaves. Yeah. Because they're suddenly like Krabby Patty is not doing well. Like they're not getting customers. Who's Plankton in this case? Probably like Lewis Hamilton is Plankton. And he's like, yo, come join this side. Because he's on the Mercedes team, right? Or he's Ferrari now. So Plankton would be like Toto. Okay, Toto. And he's saying he's going, come over to this side. Hey, Spongebob, come over to the Chum Bucket, which is for Mercedes. That was an episode.

1:04:58Yeah. Where Spongebob had to go. Is Carl Paye Larry the Lobster in this analogy? Yeah, I kind of. Wait, lobster? Lobster? Oh! I'm so glad you guys saved this because I was doing terrible. No, no, I think I have the tech CEO equivalent, guys. Okay. I think the best one we can come up with so far is, and I actually don't know how to pronounce this guy's name, so we're going to call him Travis. and Travis started a little company called Uber. Oh, Kalanick. Is that how you say it? Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. All right, Travis Kalanick. I told myself I wouldn't say people's names that I didn't look up.

1:05:35I know. You can blame yourself if you're wrong. I'm wrong. Well, I am in your seat. That's true. Travis Kalanick started Uber. Everyone was like, this is dumb. It is a little dumb. And then it ended up becoming worth billions and billions and billions of dollars. Everyone was like, wow, this guy is the worst boss I've ever even dreamed of. There's actually a quote somewhere of him telling Steve Jobs at some point. It was either Tim Cook or Steve Jobs telling him like, no, I structured this entire board so that no one could ever tell me no, including my CFO, which ended up not going so well for Uber.

1:06:09Anyway, eventually it was the same thing. Some other stuff happened. We don't need to talk about it on the podcast. and he got he resigned you know what I mean but the board made him resign and it was the same thing or it was like you know this entire operation was his vision was like his doing but I literally cannot wait to have him not involved anymore you know I like that one I like that one I also just opened up Twitter and at the top of my timeline a picture of Sam Altman and Johnny Ive came up and Johnny Ive is another interesting comp he was putting out bangers and people loved the designs for a while and then suddenly it wasn't hitting and he was going ultra thin and he's removing ports and he left and everyone's like i'm not too sad about that because they brought back all the ports and yeah and the book i literally can't stop talking about apple in china yeah brings up this really good point that during johnny ives like you know heavy hitting tenure there was this culture at apple where you couldn't really say no to the industrial design department which he led and there weren't that many engineers now i should rephrase that there weren't that many people whose primary focus was engineering at industrial design so there was a lot of designs that broke the laws of physics that the that then the product engineers would go guys this lit like plastic doesn't you want me to put an i9 in this or like you crazy the classic example is the handle in the original imac was not connected to the structural frame of the computer.

1:07:43So it was just a piece of plastic that you would literally just end up ripping out of the body if you ever tried to lift it. And Johnny Ive was like, it has to be there. Like, sorry, like figure it out. They fought over it for so long. So yeah, Johnny Ive, another good example. Johnny Ive is a great example. Next to Mr. Krabs. I like our analogies. Mr. Krabs and Johnny Ive. Well, hopefully after this segment, people better understand what happened in Formula One this week. Travis Kalanick. That's how I've heard every other person say it. For some reason, I had Travis Kelsey in my head because that's how I've read that name for so long.

1:08:17But obviously that's not. Those are different people. When Travis Kelsey misses like one catch and then... Dude! Bill Belichick. Another great example. Things happen. It's all sports, man. You can't use sports to describe sports. But you know what you can use to describe how much you guys know about stuff? What is that? Trivia, baby. Facts. Facts with the six-pack, Sailor. Thank you all for saving that segment. It is now time to talk about the original Fairphone. Throwing it back. How? Oh, so I did look it up. It wasn't crowdfunded. There was some sort of like symposium, if you will, where it was announced and you could place like pre-orders either online or at the symposium.

1:09:03Anyway, so in this pre-order first batch of Fairphone 1s, how many did they make? Keep in mind, this is Price is Right rules. If you go over, your answer will be disqualified. Also, I will let you guys know the reason this number was released is because they hit this number a month ahead of schedule. Go Fairphone. Oh, so it's going to be big? I don't know, David. how many first so this is not the total number of Fairphone 1's made this was the number in the first production run of them I am going to lose this one because I'm not doing Price is Right style very well I wrote I'm trying not to read your other answer 5 ,000 I wrote 500 I wrote 999 none of you went over which means Marquez gets the point.

1:10:02The correct number was 25 ,000. Wow. That's a lot. Which is really impressive. And I was able to fact check that in independent journals. That's actually way more impressive than I thought. That is very impressive. Good job, Fairphone. We love what you're doing. Except Marquez with your button. I don't hate the button. It's a switch. You're overreacting. It's a switch. It's a switch too. All right. Quick update on the score. After that point, Marquez with 28. Andrew with 17 and David with 31 alright were you guys paying attention what is the name of the hinge in the new Z Fold 7 what did they brand it as I wrote my answer down already and I remember writing this down when they said the name of it but it was in the briefing not in the keynote oh it came with a nice cool graphic in the keynote too I believe that How many points do I get if I get one letter of it correct?

1:10:59Zero. Because I remember a letter from it. That's not helpful. Well, yeah. Really? One letter? Is the letter H? Yes. I was just going to say. Yes. From the word hinge. Let's go. I didn't even think of that. All right. Flip them and read. What do we got? That was sick. I wrote quantum hinge. Nope. I wrote nothing. Nope. That's a brand. I wrote armored aluminum hinge. is that what it is? no was it not it was close it was armor flex hinge armor flex aluminum cause they're flexing how flexible their hinge is I feel like that's like half credit oh well dang we gotta do .5 take it up with the registrar I would be if this was closest without going over I would have gotten it you know what I mean armor uh yeah okay that's it thanks for thanks for watching the pod this week like I said in the comment section let us know what stuff you want to see reviewed and also I asked for comments about something else that I forgot but you guys already know because you left the comments already how many Nintendo Switch 2's did you buy this year it's probably that or something else thanks for subscribing huge deal that you guys are subscribing if you do subscribe I believe if you turn on notifications then you'll get an alert when we start the live stream I think that's a good so if you hit the bell then when we start the live stream for episode 300 you'll get a notification I think that's what happens and you can see the chaos unfold live yeah and you'll see what a real taping of this show looks like without rains or whatever samsung says the galaxy unfolds we say the chaos unfolds exactly so join us as it unfolds on tuesday at 11 eastern is that right 11 eastern 11 a.m eastern thanks for joining us catch you guys next week peace goodbye way for most produced by adam Malina and Ellis River, partner with Vox Media Podcast Network, and our structure music was created by Bane Still.

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