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31:38I'm going to preface this by saying I'm usually the one who writes the outline and then gives it to David to fill in. so we can talk about whatever we want whenever we want because we write the outline for it, so it doesn't happen as often. There's probably some times I would have liked to talk about Final Mouse screwing stuff up because I'd love to and I don't like them at all, but that probably just makes me sound salty, so I just saved it for right now. Now I can sound salty. And I talked a lot about the OnePlus keyboard and I wanted to talk about it when we tried it, but we never got one or ordered one.

32:10So I did really want to try that because we did talk about it a lot, but I never got to try it. So OnePlus, if you're out there, I'd love to try it. It looks pretty cool. Yeah. We tend to go over most of the big news stories, especially since we write the episodes. But what I did notice is I listen to Hard Fork a lot, which is a great podcast by the New York Times with Casey Newton and Kevin Reese. And they both live in San Francisco. So a lot of the news stories that they cover are like smaller SF tech stories that are hilarious. A lot of those. Yeah. So over there, you have all these driverless car issues because there's Waymo and Cruise that are in SF and people are putting cones on top of driverless cars and cars are dragging people across the road.

32:53And yeah, we talk about some of that stuff when it makes like national news, but when it's like a smaller, like more localized town news kind of thing, especially out of San Francisco where it's all technology news, it's pretty fun. So I wish New York had more drama-heavy tech stories. We wish driverless cars were causing more chaos in New York. Yeah, exactly. Marquez? Stuff that I wish to talk. I think we usually do talk about big news, but we did kind of miss one, which is that the New York Empire had their second straight undefeated season and won their second championship in a row. I feel like we just glossed right over it.

33:35We didn't even talk about it. Why do I feel like we had a guest or something after that? I feel like we did talk about it very quickly I don't know or maybe just we did the episode that week and you were gone we said you were doing frisbee that's probably what it was it might have been that I was there so that might have been why yeah I wasn't here so that's why you want to talk about it so bad I was there oh shoot wait so you got to see them win how many wins in a row is that now 29 I think how many are in a season regular season is like 14 well playoffs playoffs also yeah yeah and you didn't win any the previous season you didn't win the championship the previous season we lost in the finals the previous and you've had 29 straight wins correct and even before that why are you still playing how did how did you um do the season before that besides losing like we won the championship and how many games did you win lose in that season we also went undefeated that season so you're like 47 and one in the last three seasons something around there somewhere around there i think we might have lost no i think the year that we won the championship we didn't go undefeated sorry i was wrong about that one the 2021 or the 2019 we didn't go undefeated that year but we did win the championship but then we lost some the year after that and then have had two straight undefeated seasons since then because there's a covid year wild man i mean they the empire the team you really like Yeah, they did.

35:04So I just feel like, you know, shout out to the Empire. They did it. They did a great job. I hope they win some more games this year. Yeah. And then we can talk about them. Anything else? Yeah. At the beginning of the year, someone published a paper and I can't remember the exact details. I mean, I had trouble finding the paper. Wasn't it Telegram or Signal? No, so Signal did this in response to the paper like a few months later. And it was just sort of like a broad cybersecurity thing. But it seems like we're getting closer and closer to what's called Q Day, which is where quantum... Oh, boy.

35:37Oh, boy. Here we go again. No, we're getting closer and closer to the day when quantum computers have enough processing power to make passwords irrelevant, effectively. Encryption irrelevant. Oh, we talked about this. Yes. Key, modern encryption. Public encryption, yeah. Yeah. But we're not there yet. And I wish I could find the paper. And it was the kind of thing where when the paper came out, I was not big brained enough to feel like we could communicate it. And then other news happened and it kind of just passed away. And the years had lots of developments. Anyway, maybe it's a long form episode for the future.

36:18Can I ask a question about this that maybe you don't know or maybe is dumb on my side? But if whereas this is because computing is becoming so powerful, that would essentially be able to brute force a password so quickly that it doesn't even. In a reasonable amount. Right. Here's my understanding of it, right? Is that at the root of what makes passwords secure in the way we use them now is you're using prime numbers that have millions of digits. So you need other numbers that are really hard to find that have hundreds of thousands of digits and you multiply them together. So in order to just crack that, yeah, you need to do it like tons of times.

37:00But with quantum computing, you could now have if and or statements much easier in your code. So it takes a lot less energy because you're working with possibilities. Well, which brings me to my question where aren't the majority of passwords have lockout precautions? Is it being brute forced? See, this is why I need to... So I feel like is that not the main reason? And I don't understand encryption also, so I don't understand how that would potentially get there. But like I can't – I have to change my password so many times that I get locked out of my own accounts all the time. The version of this story that I remember because I went to the IBM lab with Clio when we shot that quantum computer video is that encryption, not necessarily passwords, but encryption is – it works a certain way.

37:51And quantum computers are getting more and more powerful and increasing the number of qubits in each quantum computer at a rate that if we eventually get to this number of qubits, it will be able to crack normal prime number encryption methods reasonably quickly. Okay. By the time we get to that powerful level, we will have switched encryption methods. Yeah. Okay. Because a lot of modern encryption relies on factoring prime numbers. Right. That was the paper is some researchers in China figured out the new fastest way to do prime factorization. Okay, so this is encryption, not someone trying to hack my Instagram account.

38:30Yeah, and qubits aren't binary. They can be one zeros or a superposition of both. And so they're able to factor prime numbers way, way faster. So instead of something taking like 100 million years to crack, it could take like a couple of days. Wow. Yeah. And Signal developed a quantum proof protocol that has end to end encryption that is quantum proof as well. That's why me and all of my Q friends use Signal. I had to look this up. Quantum friends. Right. Right. I had to look this up just to make sure I got the numbers right because I would have been mad if I got them wrong. The number of qubits just going up over time, like 10 qubits is a pretty big quantum computer and 50.

39:12Yeah. And then 100. in 2021 IBM's Eagle got up to 127 qubits and then the newest IBM Osprey 400 qubits IBM also planning to build a 100 ,000 qubit quantum computer by 2033 so you can see the curve by 2023? that's this year sorry 2033 so it's improving very quickly which is super cool I understand none of it my answer to that piggybacking off of Ellis was very similar. I wanted to talk about privacy because, again, with signal and encryption and stuff like that, we have AES-256, SHA-256 encryption standards that are being potentially broken by quantum computing. So that would be interesting to talk about.

40:00We'll see where we go. I do think privacy is an interesting topic in a lot of different ways because people are always very worried about what Google's what you're getting shot out to marketing things, but that's very different from a lot of other different privacy things. And privacy in general just seems to be this giant scary thing on the internet. It also feels like a landscape where there's a huge difference between the people who care about it and the people who don't care about it. Yeah, I think most people don't care about it. And it's almost like an ethical dilemma at this point. Did you see the 8Sleep guys tweets during the Sam Altman thing?

40:41what the ceo or something yeah no no dude this this mf actually i feel like we should be ready to cut this part out he was like he was like wow san francisco you guys had you guys must be stressed or something like tongue in cheek he's like our data reported that san francisco area eight sleep users slept 33 percent more poorly or whatever he was like you guys must be stressed and it's like you're watching how much that is so weird also the sample size of that is like five people NSF they can afford that and they're all like how do I maximize my sleep potential just their eight sleep and they're soylent next to their bed next up is a trivia question that you're still mad about all these months later I have one I know David's.

41:34I am excited. Okay. I have one that I'm mad that I got correct. Okay. So. Curveball. There was an episode where I believe the question was somewhere along the lines of, what do Sparknotes and OkCupid have in common? And as I was writing it down, I thought of something really funny to say, but was worried it might be inappropriate, which now I don't think it's that inappropriate. So I wrote same CEO, I think, and that was correct. And then after it. Founder. After we cut the video, I was like, oh, same founder, yeah. I said, I thought of something really funny and Ellis like instantly clicked and we were both like, they're both websites used for cheating.

42:14And I thought that was very funny and I would have rather have gotten the question wrong. Someone actually commented that. Did they really? Okay, good. I saw it in the comments. I would have rather gotten it wrong and not had to say it 15 episodes later. But I thought that was funny and I've thought about that a lot. I think you would have gotten the point. That's what I think matters. I think you would have gotten the point. Do people not know what Sparknotes are? Now they're just asking chat GPT. Yeah, exactly. Sparknotes used to be a website that basically gave you a super briefed version of a book.

42:44Yeah. So if you wanted to like cheat on your like homework assignment. It was also for like you were expected to read like five chapters of Pride and Prejudice when you also had math homework and geometry homework and physics homework to do. Yeah. Oh, geometry is math, I guess. anyway but like so i would go on spark notes because i would be like i literally am in jazz band and marching band i don't have time to read pride and prejudice so i would just go on and it would be like a recap of chapter seven and it just so that when you went into class the next day when the teacher randomly called on you and asked you something that happened you could be like uh it this you would know the plot and you'd know some small details and you could kind of go along with the flow.

43:26They all knew. They knew. This is in no way an endorsement of cheating. My language arts teacher, I remember, she quizzed us on every single reading section. She'd be like, read these eight chapters and then she'd quiz us on minutia inside it so that it wouldn't be on Sparknotes. Oh. It was horrible. I had a English teacher that I really appreciated because the way he did quizzes on chapters that we read were you start taking it and then at the end he'll be like, okay, you can open your book for one minute because like if you read it you would kind of know the area that i was in so like you still had to have read it but you could find what it was if it was a little more specific then you'd be like giving you one more minute and like yeah i still didn't read it and still tried to figure it out just from that but i really appreciate you can't control f on a physical page unfortunately man i've actually tried now here's the thing give those kids the meta glasses and be like, hey, Meta, look and tell me which character sat under the peach tree.

44:27And it would actually tell them the answer in their ears. It's just saying. Yeah, sure. Multimodal AI is going to change cheating on tests forever. Yep. Anyway, the one that I was still mad about, I got wrong. It was... The GTR being a track car? No. That wasn't a tricky question. The one about, I'll just read what I wrote. In 2009, youtube introduced an experimental lightweight version of the site what was it called and i wrote youtube go which is the name of a lightweight version of youtube they built but a different time because they also tried it another time in 2009 and it was called youtube feather so youtube has done the same attempted failed thing and killed it more than once and i named the wrong other time that they killed it this is really funny because marquez was just like I know this.

45:16I know this. I was so ready to get that point. Yeah, it was amazing. So what do you think the version 3.0 will be called? YouTube Lite, probably. YouTube Now. YouTube Max. YouTube Min. YouTube Mini. YouTube Mini. YouTube Mini, I like that. That could be a thing. YouTube Mini. That's actually a great name. Yeah. Copyrighted. YouTube for kids. The Lite Facebook used to be just Facebook Lite. Yeah. Yeah, and Messenger Lite. I don't remember that at all. Low data mode. In the time before time, when Android phones were still very new, the Facebook app would just constantly run in the background and take like 15 % of your battery in a day.

45:5315 %? 15 % of my battery is Facebook. So they made a light version of the app that used like way less memory in the background. And yeah, you had to download it if your phone was too slow. So were you rocking two Facebook apps? Yes. Nice. Yes. Yeah. And then I uninstalled Facebook in 2013 and I haven't used it since. We'll use WhatsApp though. Yeah. Touche. Oh, you know what? Okay. This is from earlier in the show. I think I just triggered David. You know what, Ed? One of my hot takes that is slowly getting colder is that WhatsApp is terrible. And there are a lot of ways where it's still really terrible.

46:35I think WhatsApp is pretty bad. Yes. Yeah. That's a cold take now? it's getting colder but it's sort of like the sun is also getting colder over billions of years I see, I see yeah, so as it loses energy it's getting hotter it's getting hotter it's gonna get hotter before it gets colder but go on that's how a nova works it's gonna be a super massive it's not gonna turn into a black hole though no, it's gonna be a red giant and then it's gonna fizzle out into a dwarf star a white dwarf it doesn't have enough mass to be a black hole yeah, it needs to be like two and a half times it's nice to be a black hole science corner brought to you by anyway, David, go on sorry anyway, WhatsApp I still really don't like the app and it's very annoying when people always say just use WhatsApp when no one I know uses WhatsApp but over the course of this year they have rapidly added a ton of features that a lot of other messaging apps had.

47:24Oh so it's getting hotter No the take is getting colder. Your take is getting My take is getting hotter. You said WhatsApp is bad Oh so you're saying it's getting hotter because it's getting more wrong. Yeah you're right Yeah, you're right. It's still bad. It's just less bad. I've always just... It is getting rapidly better, though, and I have to commend those engineers for making it better. I've never thought WhatsApp was a terrible app. I just hate the comment, just use WhatsApp, because it's not just me. It is also all of the people that I communicate with. Yeah, getting someone to download a new messaging app and make a new account for something is not easy.

47:58The logistics of it make absolutely no sense if you know what it's like here. Here's an equivalent. For everyone who leaves the comment, just use WhatsApp. I want you to turn that inwards and imagine if somebody told you just use Facebook Messenger. You'd be like, well, I could, but then I'd have to convince everyone that I know and speak to to also use Facebook Messenger. Or like Signal. Because Facebook Messenger, if you have WhatsApp, you probably have a Facebook account, which means you have a Facebook Messenger account. So there, yeah. But Signal, sign up for something new. You have to get other people to use it.

48:34It's not just easier because I change it. every other person that I have to communicate with has to change it. So that logistically makes zero sense when people say that. Yeah, but my take is getting hotter and I'm getting more wrong slowly. Almost as slow as the heat of the universe. Stand by me and go. Anyway. I thought all of my trivia questions were absolutely perfect this year. But I did remember two more things that I was wrong about over the course of this year too. One, when I was like, Oh, Among Us in the Apple iPhone presentation. Not there. Got that one wrong. Part of me still thinks it's there somewhere.

49:12I just couldn't find it. But I looked for a long time. Yeah, the fans, they really came out. They tried to help me. The other thing I was wrong about this year was about 90 seconds ago when I said that Red Giants are hotter than normal stars. They are, in fact, cooler. Yes. Wrong about that, too. So I was right? You were right. But you were wrong with the analogy because your take is, in fact, getting hotter as WhatsApp. gets better. In an episode where we say everything we get wrong, we're getting a lot of stuff wrong right on top of it. I just want to say that as someone that uses Telegram, Signal, and WhatsApp, WhatsApp is by far the superior messaging app.

49:49No, it is not. By far. No, it is not. You might have to back that one up. It has all the features. Everyone's on it. You can do anything. Everyone is not on it. They just added multi-device and it's still kind of jank. You have to back up all of your messages to Google Drive. Yes. Really? Yeah. No, no, no. That's only if you had an Android. If you were on iPhone, you had to back it up to iMessage. Or not iMessage, iCloud. Yeah, and all of the people that have this problem are on Android because otherwise they just use iMessage. No. I know so many people that have iPhones and use WhatsApp. Yeah, you're probably right.

50:21But the problem was that for the longest, I don't know if they actually fixed this, but the backups that you put onto the iCloud or onto Google Drive, if you switch devices, you lost them. Exactly. Which was very annoying. That's why I didn't use it. And it only works on... I think they fixed it. You can only have it on one phone at a time. But that's never a problem because you're the only person with seven different phones. The two people in this room are the only ones with this issue. To be fair, that's the reason I didn't use it. I think there's one person who ever has said, can I have your WhatsApp information?

50:48And that was Adam Bobrow because he lives like all over the place and wanted to do a ping pong collab with us. I've never been asked for credentials. Yeah, if you're international, like when I was in Costa Rica, the doctor's office used WhatsApp. I totally understand it, but that's just not the scene here. And then you have to use WhatsApp web, which you have to scan a QR code to get onto. That's besides the point. I'm saying the app itself is the best app. No, it looks like the thing that Marquez uses with his Frisbee team. GroupMe? GroupMe. GroupMe had a better chance in the US. GroupMe is bad.

51:20GroupMe had a better chance. More people were on GroupMe, though. It hit a spike for a while. I don't know if it was anywhere near WhatsApp. No, but in the US. You know how you can prove that GroupMe is really bad? i used group me for my house like i lived with 10 people when i was in college for a few years and we used group me for the house chat we moved to slack that's how that's what ours that's what i'm hoping we originally used group me as the mkbhd chat when there's only four of us this is true oh my god uh this might be out of date but 2021 12 million monthly active users on group me 12 million it's basically dead yeah oh yeah i think it's i haven't had it on my phone forever that there was a time where i had multiple frisbee group me's going on had the work group me like i was in four or five different channels i mean about seven active group me's right now all frisbee teams yeah group me is still owned by microsoft really oh yeah that's right and they've never done anything with it wow google would have sunset that like 15 years that's a fact that's just so true we can give him credit for that all right all right next one i like this one we've had so many wonderful guests in this past year uh i'd like to know who was your favorite yeah we've had good ones i am partial to the creator interviews like talking to creators about being creators so in the past year that would be dr mike cleo abram and simone yetch just because that's my favorite conversation and it's the only way I get to have that conversation.

52:57Yeah. So I love those. That's understandable. Yeah. I loved Simone's. Hers was so good because she was like just enough in the tech world but also so far out of what we do that you guys had a bunch of common things going on and also just OG Simone posts on Reddit blowing up. Yeah. Just make me feel like the early internet and I love it so much. Yeah. um there's some this is an old one i really liked we did a really short interview with jad abenrad from radio lab and he has very interesting like information about radio and the way that podcasts work i thought that was really interesting i loved um the conversation that we had about ai recently yeah with uh danu mbonga and then also i would say i think that cleo's interview was amazing i i watched that back a couple times and i was like this is really Her interview was so good that I started putting like full page quotes whenever they said something profound.

53:53I started doing that during that episode because she had some bangers. Yeah. Yeah. If I had to pick a favorite moment, Tom Scott doing the typed alphabet is like one of the greatest thing that's ever happened on this podcast. What? 2022. I know. We were talking about some older people also. That's true. I take it back. Non-2023. I did 2021. one. Non-2023 best moment, Tom Scott typing the alphabet, going ultra competitive mode on it and crushing it. Yeah, that was crazy. Someone tweeted at us yesterday that they got it in like 2.23 seconds. Yeah, I thought that's crazy. My friends that made the website can do it in like 1.2, which is why he made the website because that used to be like a thing he would practice.

54:37Also, he's making a bunch of updates to it, so now it has the full alphabet and highlights the letter that you're on and scrolls across. He's also added typing it backwards. He's added typing the first 40 digits of pi. He's been putting a bunch of updates to it and practicing coding. So there's some cool stuff. Type the alphabet dot app. That's dope. It's pretty cool. I think he's going to start doing a challenge of the day where he's going to add movie quotes or book quotes and stuff and you type that in. He's been working on it. I can't wait. yeah uh my favorite interview was the rj one from ribbian yeah that was super fun for me because we shot it in the car which was crazy so we had to set it all up and everything it actually was raining that day which we were not expecting and then i was supposed to be like a floating cam just walking around and like recording the thing because i couldn't be in the actual car so not only was i stressed about everything in the car working but i had to get the craziest shots with a camera in the middle of rain in the rain we were in like a like that skeleton building so like it was covered but there's still like drops coming down all over the place but it ended up working out so nicely like those are some of my favorite shots i've ever gotten like it's really it looked so cool do you also remember i went to a hockey game the night before and yelled too loud so my voice i had like no voice and i'm like trying to talk to people it's like i was very nervous about that that was a fun one was a fun and we got some good uh some good quotes and insight from that interview too yeah that was good yeah i liked raleigh raleigh was great yeah huge fan of his and when we finally got the email like yeah we're doing it i was like oh yeah you're really stoked a lot of people how are you he was jazzed a lot of people also asked us why we decided to do that collaboration and after the apple episode ellis came to us and said I have a great idea like climate town great channel and we came back and John was like I love climate town so I started watching it and literally watched I've watched every episode and listen to every podcast that they've had because I liked it so much and then looked into our comments and so many other people were like climate town climate town climate town so it was awesome to get him on and that he's right in Brooklyn and kind of like we have him now you gotta do any other things yeah also Dr.

56:52Mike I thought that was very cool underrated episode that we did. He is a cool guy. Also very funny that he's a boxer. Doctor that hurts people is that's good. That's good comedy. Yeah. That's job insurance. Doctor punch your face. Well that concludes section two. Again we don't have any trivia this week but we'll see you right after the break to conclude the Waveform Awards.

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58:50Welcome back to the Waveform Awards, not special, but sort of an F special episode. End of the year podcast, bistro, bar and grill on the water. Pro Max. We have our three lovely hosts of the Waveform podcast, David Amell, Andrew Magnelli, and Marquez Brownlee. And I'm here to ask them, guys, what was your favorite episode of the year? July trivia extravaganza. It was my favorite to be a part of, for sure. That was Family Feud. That was the Family Feud version. I mean what was it what do we call it the um the survey the guest oh yeah the wave for with verge cast no no this was the like family feud version where we're all sitting here and Alex is in there that was the most fun to be a part of I know it was very different for listeners and everything but like and I was very frustrated because wireless charging you guys don't want that in your phone I'm definitely not still salty about that yeah that's funny and then my favorite episode that I just watched, probably because I wasn't here, but the Climatown episode was awesome.

59:47I was super pumped for that. I missed it, but you guys did awesome, and it's a sweet video. I was scrambling to watch all the episodes. You did so good on it, though. It was awesome. I'd never heard of it before, so I had to catch up on that. I really liked the live Apple episode that we did. I thought that was really cool. That's what I was going to say. Oh, well. You were talking about when we went to Apple Park in September? Yeah. Yeah, there's something about talking very brutally honestly about Apple's news announcements in front of the people who are hearing reactions for the first time.

1:00:18That's fun. People do wonder that. So there's probably like two or three Apple PR people there. And then the rest of it is actually a team that's contracted out, I believe. So they don't actually, they're working for Apple in that sequence. And those guys rule. They're amazing. And like one of the reasons I liked that so much is because even in the second time, they made a whole desk and video setup for Adam and Ellis. Like to me, that just kind of felt like, wow, these people are looking at our podcast, not just inviting us, but like they know what we do. Yeah. And they made it special. These are the same people that buy all of the exact camera and like computer equipment that we have.

1:00:54No, it's different. That's a workflow steam. Oh, I just met Apple in general. Yeah. No, that was that was mine, too. I think that was super fun. Yeah. I also really liked the trivia extravaganza. Yeah. It was a lot of fun. I can't imagine how much work you guys had to put into that, but it was fun on our side playing it. And then this was technically this year, Secret History of the Internet was this year, which it was sort of a part, it was a prequel to the I Can't Have the Seven Keys of the Internet that we did last year as the last episode of the year last year. Yeah. So, yeah, it was really fun to do that.

1:01:25Yeah. It came out later, but it was a prequel. It was like Star Wars. And then we did... But it was way better than episode one. I don't know. Episode one was pretty good. Not of Star Wars. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then a lot of people really liked the Cyanogen Mod episode as well. That's cool. We got really good feedback on that. A lot of people wrote about it, and we got a ton of people turning at us. Yeah, that was cool. Just being like, memory lane, memory lane. So that was fun. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug. Yeah, exactly. My favorite episode was, I think it's called Thoughts on Apple Vision Pro and WWDC 23.

1:01:59Because that has the most views. That's the one that we had to fly back here to record after we didn't get to record it in Apple. Right. Because the only time slot that we had was the Vergecast episode. To have the Vergecast episode. Yeah. Really quick fun fact about that. The episode either one or two before that was WWDC Predictions. In July, that video itself had like 300 ,000 views, which was after the event. a month later after everything had been announced 300 000 people watched our predictions on the event really which is so weird if you quizzed me about the analytics of the channel i would have gotten that wrong every single time because i i really don't value predictions videos as a creator because i do believe that they become useless the fastest it works well for this but they're fun they're fun and they're there it's a podcast and we're doing timely stuff but then the fact that it actually did continue to get watched after it was already a thing.

1:02:58I think it has more views than the actual event one. And it got more views after the event than before the event. Yeah. That blew my mind. We looked in like July and we're like, where are all these views coming from? And that was like the top view. People watching us predict what already happened. Yeah. Cool. Speaking of predictions, I've got a quick question. What's your guys' biggest prediction for what's going to happen in 2024 in tech in general? i'm so ready to be wrong i think that multimodal ai is going to take off and start being integrated into everything that's such a lukewarm take do better do better that's a safe i think that is the thing that we appear to be on the precipice of so i believe that uh-huh i'm trying to go far out i'm trying to go a little bit like november bigger yeah just like just something something crazy like iphone 16 road to have a port no roadster has no shot again apple vision pro is do we get apple vision the same year no probably not probably another year a couple years okay do we get some crazy like the iphone we already know is going to be a incremental thing again pixel samsung huawei oh you know what's though is the the apple watch x because it's going to be a full redesign go on well that's the 10th generation a huge rumor that there's going to be a major redesign of the apple watch next year i like that i feel like we heard something about major redesign and it was all the software major i don't know hopefully yeah it's time to do it it's time it's time to do it yeah time to do it all of us are too scared after we just said everything that was wrong we're all too scared to make that yeah bold of a prediction i'm just having a hard time because again so much happened that wasn't on my 2023 bingo card it's like okay and another monitor in a suitcase like how the hell am I supposed to guess that soon to become CEO of Amazon Hasselblad finally ships a camera that can shoot 8k video or video at all or video at all and it'll be 8k yeah that's not gonna happen that's not gonna happen holograms is your actually looking King Glass has holograms.

1:05:07Yeah, that's my one. You think it's going to be a trend next year? Yeah, we should talk about trends, not products. I don't know if it's going to come out, but it's going to be the thing. I think we're very close to a few different volumetric display technologies working. Yeah, what's going to be the biggest trend of 2024 that isn't AI? It's still just going to be AI, just a different version of AI, like what you said, I think. Multimodal. I got one. So instead of transparent objects or tech, I think it's going to go colorful. I think that's going to be the... Bring back real colors. Bring back real colors and things.

1:05:43I like that a lot. What about transparent colors? Maybe. But we kind of already have some of that, though. We had so many... Yeah, I think some phones like that would be sick. We had so many beige and silver and gray things this year. I would really like that to be correct. Yeah. Bring back the colors. I like that one. I like that one. all right here's another one here's another question worst product of the year absolute worst product worst product release of the year sure mine is based on release okay worst product release of the year it's it's so obvious what is it oh the new apple pencil that's a great one that is a really good one it's usbc it's fine what's wrong i don't see the problem it's usbc i don't see the issue what's the what's the problem dongle town pro all right so what's your obvious one yeah it's obvious uh the saga solana crypto saga the solana saga crypto phone yeah it's pretty brutal yeah that's pretty brutal was that even this year yeah technically really it had a very long drawn out history before it came out this year it did yeah damn that was rough yeah yeah that's the winner i guess so i have one for you worst product release iMessage for Android phones yeah because multiple products multiple not just Beaver they came out for like a day and then every single one came out for a day or two all of the releases so that's my answer that's a great answer that's true that's a great answer that's true wow even though some of them might work eventually in terms of a release those were brutal releases yeah the time between release and can't trust anyone and our sorries were record breaking that's good Mine is X, the product.

1:07:24Oh, that's a good one. You'll get the most flack for it, but that's interesting. Removing Twitter and rebranding it as X, that move. You just mean the branding. The branding, yeah. The product itself, I don't use. The product's pretty good. The worst product is X Premium. Isn't there like a$44 a month version now? No, it's$22 or$23 a month. Isn't it plus? Grok. Grok is the worst product. Grok. That was pretty bad. I still can't use Grok because when I try to use it, I click on it and it says, you need a premium account. So I hit the button and it's like, you've had a premium account for this long.

1:07:57Okay, I guess I'm not using Grok then. Sounds about right. There was a bunch of anger-inducing things that rolled out this year. Like when they redesigned Spotify, that was sort of a... Which time? Yeah, right. To... But they got rid of that. Yeah, that TikTok version. They got rid of it really quick. I would qualify it as a failed release. It was totally a failed release because they got rid of it, yeah. Real quick. they didn't get rid of it actually it's just in a different section in the app at least it's not taking over before it was like it took over I have one for my most this is a different category but my most underrated product of the year Spotify DJ I like the DJ a lot I'm your DJ I'm your DJ X what's up David it doesn't say your name that's how Mine doesn't say mine.

1:08:49Maybe it's changed, but sometimes the tone of his voice sounds like the self-checkout. Wait, I want mine to say my name. Please put your bananas in the loading area. It starts at the beginning. Mine's always like, what's up, David? Mine never says my name. I'm going to play you something you haven't heard before. Here's MGMT. Just to keep you on your toes. We also have like 10. That one was better. It was better, but the next part was actually not. What's up, David? I'm X. Wait, let's see if mine says my name.

1:09:28We'll start it over. Start it over. Start it over. I think it will only do the intro once a day, though. I think you might have a name that it knows how to say.

1:09:39It's never tried to say my name. It has to be a predefined list of regular names. I'm just putting it on my list because I think, again, in our world of everyone's talking about AI and 95 % of people are talking about AI and chatbots, I think we should highlight the other genuinely interesting applications of AI that aren't chatbots. Of AI? Yeah, I think that's one of them. Okay. Yeah. AI DJ. Oh, AI DJ. Yeah. Okay, I added one here at the end. Okay. I want everyone to list their favorite soundbite that we use. I think not like, we've been using soundbites more, the Oops soundbite and some other ones it's so good but i think we use them so much more in studio that doesn't make it till the final but we have a lot of sound bites on this board and i want everyone to list what their favorite one is the favorite one that's on the board yeah can be from whoever the one that makes you laugh you gotta play it after we mention yeah see how close we can get to the actual uh sound like you have to say it first yeah like i can't say andrew's code as well as andrew can i don't think i can say it as well i think my favorite is i don't think i can name all the planets yeah i don't i don't think i can name all the planets you had another one that i really like i'm sorry i'm trying to stop it no the one where he goes i think he says i used to think that i was smart oh yeah i thought i was smart but i love that one can you play that and then the planet one.

1:11:05I thought I was smart. But yeah, I don't think I can name all that. That's a good one. Timeless, I really like Bingo Let's Go. Bingo! Let's go! Because that's timeless. And I get a lot of tweets about that one of people just tweeting Bingo at me. It also has the background conversation that confuses me sometimes. And I think some people are just talking. But I think the one where you like sneeze and then you say, I'm sorry I tried to stop it I remember that live I remember that live that was pretty funny yeah that was fun whoops fits the best whoops is so good and it happened to come the week you were gone so we just used it as your every time we made a mistake you just said whoops in the episode that was great besides whoops I think my favorite has to be 15 % of my diet is Cholula I'm realizing I just said a lot of dumb things on this podcast.

1:12:05I thought I was smart. I thought I was smart. I just want to give a quick shout out to some of the ones that didn't make it onto the board, like this outtake from the Climate Town episode. Waveform is produced by one Tesla and one Rivian, and our outformed music is by Big Silks.

1:12:25I'm so mad I wasn't here for the side banter of everything going on. Here we go. We also got this gem. Go east. East. Sorry, no. Doesn't matter which way you go. Go west. West. From the Philippines. Iceland.

1:12:42How? That's not editing. No. No, because then you say, no. Oh, no, no, no. This way. And I see. So Iceland. Tele P. Okay, that's just me saying Tele P in reference to Teleprompter. You guys get the idea. We've got a lot of good stuff on here over the years. Sweet plate of chicken nugget. When did we say that? That's like not an episode, I don't think. No, I remember that. That cannot be. I don't remember what I was thinking of. I think it was... Gamers can't afford this. You're a gamer. You cannot afford this. I'm sorry.

1:13:25I'm sorry, audio listeners. One more, one more. This isn't always us saying. Nobody's ever complained about... Yes, they have. Oh.

1:13:35That's how I feel opening the comments to the video every single week. There's no way they could be talking. Oh. Yeah, we got some good bites. So if anyone's ever wondering what we do between ad breaks, it's usually just a lot of that. That's so funny. All right. Well, instead of trivia to wrap up this fine episode, we thought we'd just hit you with a little bit of fun facts about this year. and just sort of the show in general. So for you, we have, by the end of the year, we will have published 55 episodes of the Waveform Podcast. In 52 weeks? In 52 weeks. Look at us. Above average. We published 128 Waveform clips.

1:14:21Wow. Wow. Sick. In the lifetime of the wave... I'm going to say it again. In the lifetime of the YouTube... Oh. In the lifetime of the Waveform YouTube channel, we have had 11.6 million watch hours. How many years is that? 20 ,138 days, 662 months, 55 years. That's so crazy. Crazy. I think about this all the time. I never spoke to anyone in high school. I was the quiet-ass kid in the back of the class. And when I see like Spotify rap things about a podcast that has my voice in it is mind boggling to me. That's a lot of years of human life. Sorry. It's been 55 years. And I'm still listening to the Wave Podcast.

1:15:15Chalk. And last but not least, controlling the lights requires 432 megabytes of my graphics memory. Nice. just not someone out there multiply that by the amount of episodes that we've done and that's a lot of memory it is yeah especially when you consider all that memory is going towards yeah just that nice worth it well that's been an incredible wrap up to the year look we appreciate all of you guys for listening and for watching and subscribing because that's partially what makes this podcast possible and it's also it makes it so fun it's why we do it so thank you for watching and listening.

1:15:55And I have nothing else to say other than see you in 2024. Yeah, have a happy new year. Thank you again. This was the best year Waveform's ever had. Of my life. And we plan on the next year just being even better. 70 episodes and a movie.

1:16:1353. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Rovin. We're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro-outro music was created by Veins.

1:16:23Thank you.