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24:54Welcome back to Trivia Extravaganza. So, quick update on the score. Marquez, 28. That was a surprise to me. Sounds great. Andrew. Carry the five. Carry the five. 22. All right. Let's go. David with 27. The next round is a bit different. I'll have Ellis explain the rules. so this round is called they don't make that model anymore and what we're going to do is we're going to list a product and the year it came out these are all very old tech products and you guys have two minutes to make a guess on how much that product retailed for when it came out accounting for inflation not accounting for the inflation year i have the prices adjusted for inflation for funsies but these are i want to know msrp of the era um and just so you guys know i hope you have fun because this one was so brutal to research i was like oh this will be a fun little idea i'll just get to it and like dude two days later i feel like every time we do this adam and ellis are like pumped for trivia extravaganza and then you see them a few days into working in it and you're like you guys okay yeah you know yeah when you're googling things like radio shack fall 1996 catalog it's like oh man i can attest that googling launch msrps is the bane of my so often dude we do it all the time even just from like last year doesn't matter what it's on sale for it matters i will have you know that some of these ellis had to literally pull up like pdf library screenshots from old magazines to get the price for that that's epic so assuming we don't get them on the nose because we don't have that like catalog index in our brains is Is it like closest wins?

26:39We're going to do closest, yeah. So not prices right rules, whoever is closest over or under. All right. All right. Ready? Yep. Cool. So our first product is from 1975. 1975. It is the Pong home console. This early on in the Pong console's life, it had a hard time getting picked up by retailers. It was very, very expensive for the era. But in time for Christmas, Sears worked out a deal with Atari to sell it as a Sears exclusive as a Sears branded game. It was a Sears telegame. And that is where the Sears Christmas catalog from 1975. I found this price in. You have two minutes max on the board.

27:181975. So not the band. I'm thinking that Sears adding their brand added more money. You think it added money? I assumed it would deduct money from it. Wow. Because it was having such a hard time. But think about Sears in 1975. They were popping. They were hot. Yeah, because they were cheap. Atari cares about games. It's all about Sears. And Ellis said that it was because like that it was having a hard time selling that this and the co-branding made it easier to sell for Christmas. The reason it was having a hard time selling was because it wasn't Sears brand. That's all anyone cared about games?

27:55Just to be clear, it wasn't selling prior to this because no retailer thought it would sell and would agree to sell it in their stores. Because it wasn't Sears branded. Because it was expensive. And because there's no such thing as Amazon. Yes. That checks out. Okay, so it's got to be... So you have to find it in stores. Original MSRP of 1983. 1975. I don't even know what things cost. How much did a cheeseburger cost back then? Probably like$15. I think that's a great way to judge inflation, is how much What should a McDonald's hamburger cost at that point? I just want to remind you you're on the clock.

28:27So at least write something down. I'm writing it. I'm writing it. A movie was five cents in 1975, right? I think a cheeseburger was like a dollar back then. You have about a minute. Oh, that's a long time. Remind me the name of it. Say the name one more time. The Pong Home Console. Marquez, you're familiar with Pong, right? I know what Pong is. Yeah. So this is Pong after it was an arcade game. This is the first home version of Pong. Wow. and it's worth noting this is the price without the power supply don't know why the powers by the power supply separately i don't understand why maybe they just assume that guess the power supply price i don't have it written down but i could find it just can you find it just throw it at the end of the pod or something like that okay i'm very interested um all right my markers kind of sucks can i see those markers is it's right here is this just straight up closest price.

29:22Not like you go over. I feel like to the people out there listening who owned this or bought this, some of our prices are going to be like, are you kidding me? Yeah, but remember a cheeseburger was 15 cents. All right, it sounds like you guys are ready. I want to read your answers. At least that's what my grandma said. All right, what do we got? I wrote$4.99. Not even close. I meant$4.99. I mean, I meant$49.99. You know what's weird? That number is perfect, where actually none of those are close. All right. I wrote$85. $85. And Marquez? I wrote$99. Marquez gets it. It retailed for$98.95. Adjusted for inflation, that's about$580 today.

30:14Dang. That's adjusted for inflation. Yeah, inflation goes hard. Holy smokes. The power supply retailed for$7.95. $7.95? Which is what? What is that? $45? What is this, Apple? It's like$1 ,000. In inflation dollars. All right. Up next, we have the TRS-80 home computer. The TRS-80 home computer. This was, in fact, 4K. And by that, I mean the entire operating system fit on 4K of ROM. Got it. Got it. Got it. And if a single one of you responds to that joke talking about level 2 or Fortran, you are a nerd. Just saying. I don't think I'm not a nerd. You've exposed yourself. Wait, what was the question?

30:59How much does it cost? It's the same question every time, folks. Marques was writing and David and I were just waiting. Vision Pro is weighing heavily on your neck. I know, but I'm realizing that Marques has actually spent the most time in Vision Pro, and I wonder if it's making him smarter and more alert. No, it's not. It's definitely not. It's truncating his brain. It's giving the outside of my head... What was it called again? It's a personal computer? It was the TRS-80 sold by Radio Shack. Oh, you didn't tell me that. Wait, and what was the date? Oh, 1976. Thank you, Andrew. These are going to be coming in chronological order.

31:35But you're right, I didn't finish. So it does more than... Give him a point. Let's go. Just handing out points. Sorry, someone's paying attention. That's wild. yeah I don't know anything also it comes with the monitor I don't know if that changes wait wait the computer comes with the monitor but the game doesn't come with its own power I imagine this computer also came with the power supply seemingly so I'm trying to compute inflation dollars yeah cause I know no no I want the original price I know but when you said that the hundred dollars was five in 1975 is five hundred dollars well remember also like the video game market didn't exist in the same way so the only way they could market that was as a toy.

32:19So it's an expensive toy. It was pretty much the most expensive toy you could buy. This is a computer competing against other computers. Yeah. So I market myself on dating apps. And yeah, Radio Shack. Wait.

32:35My favorite part of that was you went back to the microphone to say true podcaster. I'm a pro. It's also, I think I'm willing to give out a point if anyone wants to take a guess as to what TRS stands for. Remember, this was sold by Radio Shack. I guarantee S stands for system. TRS. How many points are you willing to bet on that? Three. I'm allowing wagers. You're willing to bet three points that the S stands for system? Yes. I'll allow it. You said system? Mm-hmm. All right. You know what? I'll just tell you now. Okay. so you have my three points or something no I think you just lose but I will allow that kind of wager too no I'm just throwing David how you feeling over there does everyone have an answer they're confident in not yet what is the S10 for again I can't tell you so we don't know oh you tried to trick me I've got an answer and how much was it

33:39i was about to say it the s doesn't stand for system it does not stand for system remember it was made by radio shack stupid is what it stands for

33:54all right all right flip these boards okay okay what do we got wow that's a very specific $299. Alright, alright. I wrote$150. Alright, alright. I have the lowest guess at$139.97. Alright, that means our points are awarded to David. This computer retailed for$599.95. Which, adjusted for inflation, is$3 ,300. Damn. That's a vision pro. That's a face computer. And anyone's final guess as to what TRS stands for? I wrote totally real serial, but like a serial number. I like how hard you're trying to figure out what S stands for when totally real was your first... I mean, it was Radio Shack. TRS stands for Tandy, which is Radio Shack's parent company, Radio Shack.

34:50He told you the answer like twice. Tandy Radio Shack? Wait, so you're telling me that putting the Sears branding on the Pong system lowered the price but putting the Radio Shack branding on a computer system made it$3 ,300. That was a good Huell Hauser. That's a lot. That's pricey. Wow. Radio Shack was kind of dope back in the day. It only does one thing. You can only afford that. Oh, no, that's all right. I'm still on Pong. It's totally different. Never mind. Okay. Yeah, that's fine, I guess. It's a computer. All right. Next up is the Panasonic PV-1600, a VCR from 1980. How much was it? The first generation VCR is packed with all the bells and whistles Timer?

35:34Check Channel changer? You got it Wow This first generation VCR is almost identical to the iconic RCA VDT600 Which I don't know what that is, but Ellis wrote this So he knows what it is Top of the line first generation VCR 1980 Let's go For the young kids out there, what does VCR stand for again? It stands for Video System Video cassette recorder. Also, I know that the PV stands for Panavision. Good job, David. Do not give him points. Don't do it. I will give you points if you know the RCA branding equivalent of Panavision. Sorry, I was writing in cursive. What'd you say? RCA. The RCA equivalent of Panavision?

36:24What was the RC? It was Selectavision. Oh, I'm not going to be able to listen to this song over and over again. No, no, that's okay. And I realized how stressed it made me when I got towards the end. Are you ready? For those wondering why music is playing, we requested it because it was very quiet. So first generation products. And now it's just stressing me out in another way. First generation products are always more expensive. Yeah, but like this is very confusing. And this is a first generation product. First generation movies, TV related. And that's when VCR finally beat out. DVD? Betabax.

36:56No, this is first generation. So they're both on the market. And also, it would be another six, seven, maybe even 10 years before the first pre-recorded content was sold on VHS. Wait, so you couldn't even put anything? Oh, this is where you recorded your TV? Exactly. Which is why the timer and the channel changer were such important features to have. Because if you were at a restaurant - Oh, it auto-changed your channels? Yeah. Not just that. you could put in times and channels so it would record one program at one time change channels at the time to catch every single dude these things are pretty lit time to be alive and that's why it's so frustrating when people are like oh man like the only reason like people chose betamax is because of this or because it's like the betamax machine does not have any of these features wow yeah and the first generation product had all these features this is a rant ellis has been dying to have for like two years it's okay anyway let's see what you guys got i put whoa $129.

37:53I also put$129. Okay, maybe I should undo that. Oh, no. So what did you put, Marquez? I put$77. Oh. My sweet summer child. Guys, in 1980, this product retailed for$1 ,295. Adjusted for inflation, this thing cost$5 ,000. Holy crap. Yeah. No wonder it had those features. Oh, my gosh. How much were cars? So technically, David and Andrew both got the point there. Yeah. Wow. We didn't even put 99. How is that more than... Dude, when these things came out, they were so expensive. How did we both put one for them? That's wild. I'm throwing out all logic from here on out. I'm just going to name a tech YouTuber.

38:42All right. Next question from 1981. The Sony Walkman WM2. This second generation Walkman was available in the United States, and it was the best-selling cassette Walkman of all time and originally available in gray. Nice. And that's it. So Walkman 2, but it was the original one? It's the Walkman 2, but it sold so much more than the Walkman 1 that most people remember it as the first Walkman they were exposed to. Wow. Walking Again Man. Okay, this is a pretty popular product, so I feel like it has to be reasonably priced. This is unbelievably popular. So this is, is this arguably, is this like one of the first times you're carrying portable music with you?

39:27Portable personal music with you? Well, there were - Besides like a boombox. Versus like a boombox? No, there were portable radios at the time. They were just - But for personal music that you get to pick. So like you're picking the cassettes. 1981 what this is the first one where the size of the player truly rivaled the size of the cassette itself okay right okay this is i think so it's like for it's basically first generation yeah i said basically but it also but it it's it's complicated because sony is a japanese company and the first walkman was much more popular in japan than it was should i say bleeding edge this is totally bleeding edge so i mean i should say that you should be saying how much it costs I'm trying to think this out and by the all the other bleeding edge stuff you think this is probably $50 ,000 back then right Adam what was the company?

40:20Sony how much did it cost? almost got him almost got him what do you I'm deducting a point reasonable price here reasonable price a fork no that's my reasonable price for a Walkman POV you're a 16 year old in 1980 3 1981 you're listening to the Beach Boys you're listening to the Waveform Podcast you're listening to the Beach Boys in 1981 if you're hip like me you were wouldn't it be nice if we we all have an answer yeah Marcus is tired of this what do we got I put$29 $29 the range on this is crazy this is crazy I put$3.99 $3.99 I put$99 Marquez takes it It retailed for$85.90 What was the inflation?

41:18Adjusted for inflation That is$302 I was thinking this was like So unbelievably popular I hope it's a VCR$1 ,200 That makes no sense There's a lot of stuff in there Yeah You could walk around with this Home theater stuff is expensive Yeah dude My dad wasted all of the money that we didn't have on theater stuff. Think of it this way. Think of it this way, too. Like, you know, the bandwidth of audio tape is zero to 20 ,000 hertz or 20 to 20 ,000 hertz, right? So in order to have the ferric oxide go back...

41:58Anyway. It's a luxury product. Nobody else can do it. Someone's going to be really mad I did that because they were into that. Go watch Technology Connections. They'll explain it better than I ever could. Do you mind if I do this next one, Adam? Go for it. All right. So this next one, you know, I think we've done all these like sort of simple products. Let's get real high tech. OK, real high tech. 1984, the premier smart home device of 1984. I feel like you were kind of, I don't know what it was, but wasn't it like the smart home? The Clapper. The Clapper. The Clapper. That's right. 1984. Thor's Clapper was the smart home device to compete against the X10 home automation protocol sold by the same company that sold the Chia Pet.

42:48Wow, they were on one. Titans. They were on one back then. Titans of TV. Let them cook. 1984. What else did they cook up? And the Clapper and the Chia Pet. They had an oven. I don't need the creativity to. They had an oven mitt that had finger slots called the Of Glove. I love it Yo if I could invest in reverse Do they do OxiClean too? I don't think so I think OxiClean is way newer So how much was the Clapper? How much was the Clapper? 1984 So the Clapper That's a simple one That plugged into I'm positive It plugged into the wall and it just had to hear audio and send a signal this has got to be cheap this has got to be cheap I'm going cheap what year are you getting?

43:43I mean 1984 this was 1984's Google Home pretty much and Google Home Minis are like $2 in cereal boxes so like Google Home Minis in cereal boxes if you buy something Google related it's hard not to get a Google Home Mini with it somewhere oh my god but is this the google home mini or is this this they just throw it in my window at night throw it through your window with a note on it that says watch out i even think yeah the clapper the clapper and it only works for one device actually you can plug uh uh i'm trying to remember the first generation i think you do two and then they added a third device but you might have been able to do three devices i think the one from retro deck had two Smart plugs from cheap companies now cost like$19, like$20.

44:41So what would be the equivalent of that? Although, was this the first-gen clapper or the second-gen clapper? First-gen clapper. I think we all... Did you write something? I have a number. Did you write something? Not yet, sorry. David, sorry. All right. Just canceled the countdown. I'm sorry. Marquez, what do you got? My answer, I wrote down$9.99. I'll write$9.99. $49.99 $5. The correct answer was$30. So you were Marquez, what did you put? Oh no, Andrew's closer. I'm two cents closer, right? You're both$20 off. Well no, because he's$9.99 and I'm$49.99. So I'm a cent under and he's a cent over.

45:25So I'm two cents closer. It's funny, I wrote$0.99 and I was like, it'd be cool if one was closer due to the cents well played 30 well played all right this one is from 1985 ready speed excellent quality bitmap graphics convenience copying font switching and downloading quiet operation the most powerful tabletop printer in the industry maxing out at 300 spots per inch this beast of a machine can print at 22 different fonts between six and 24 point sizes because i have calibri and can print vertically or horizontally that's right it's 1985's xerox 40 xerox's 1985 4045 laser copier printer did they really have to differentiate that it can do landscape and portrait.

46:24Dude, don't even get me started on this one. That's hard. That's hard stuff. A Xerox printer in 1985. A Xerox copier printer. Copier? A Xerox laser copier printer. No wonder Xerox PARC had all that innovation.

46:43What does PARC stand for? P-A-R-C. No, what does it stand for? I'll give you a point. One, two. Potentially a really cool place. Printers and printers are really cool. That actually is what it stands for. No, it's the Palo Alto Research Center. Isn't it weird that Xerox invented literally everything? They invented the mouse. That's true. And the GUI. Yeah. And the chia pet. I wish. Cha-cha-cha-chia. Oh, wait, sorry. So the printer and the scanner? It's a printer. I don't actually think it is a scanner. No, it is. No, it's a copier, so I don't think it is a scanner. You have to scan to copy. But I don't know if we could upload that to a computer.

47:27I don't know. So that's the thing. We'll get into it later. But yeah, it's a laser copier printer from 1985. Seems really nice. This is a business enterprise. Wait, was it like a big one? One of the big ones? It's not one of the really huge ones when you think of the classic 60s and 70s Xerox. It's much more similar in size to like something you'd see in a university these days. You know what I mean? It's not like a small printer. It's like big tabletop. It's like that thing at your university that you had to pay to use. You know what I mean? Sort of like. It is big. It is big. But the 60s, like the 50s through 70s Xerox machines were like half a room.

48:10I mean. You know what I mean? Like they're not that big. Okay. All right. It sounds like you guys have numbers. I wrote down a number. Let's see. I feel absurd. I wrote$999. Wow. We're$500 delta each. I said$1 ,489. I said$1 ,999. The point belongs to... Andrew. Let's go. That's right. This thing retailed for$4 ,995 adjusted for inflation. That is$14 ,000. Business? That doesn't surprise you. All right. let's do let's do one more bro it's at least an extra 2 000 so you can print it out landscape not just that you could you could go up to 24 point font i was gonna ask how many pages per minute could it print that was gonna be my barometer i had that uh ppm as part of this i didn't write it down in my little script because that to me is everything you know this thing was fast i would have had the price if i knew all the zoomers say that everything was more affordable when our parents were alive.

49:15I'm pretty sure everything was way more expensive. Well, they weren't buying this. This was an enterprise. As soon as Ellis said enterprise, I was like, this could be a million dollars. What's the equivalent to a really expensive thing that we don't buy because it's enterprise? The same thing. Printers and industrial printers. VHS. Industrial printers. These cameras. I mean, they still have C500s. But think about this. Like a VHS machine you would buy for your house, but you can only do that if you're pretty wealthy. Really wealthy. Yeah. But it's at least in your house. What's the equivalent of that for today?

49:45The Apple Vision Pro. A Diviolet Phantom. That's another good one. How much did it cost? $3 ,000,$4 ,000,$5 ,000. Jeez. Yeah. Yeah. All right, last product. All right. Last product. I think this is a good one. This is the Motorola Bravo Lifestyle. This pager was all the rage. It features timekeeping, message timestamping, and an auto on-off. You can store up to eight numeric messages in it. And in case you guys, for some reason, have an encyclopedic knowledge of pager prices, this is specifically the price for the neon yellow color. Ooh. Whoa. I pictured. Do you think neon yellow is like premium color?

50:31Neon yellow was a premium color. Premium. Nice. Extra. Was it released three months later to refresh the... I think it actually might have been. So the Motorola Bravo was a pretty popular line of pagers. And this is the Bravo Lifestyle Plus. So it's like the special version of a special version of the Bravo. So you see someone with one of these bad boys clipped on and they mean business? Actually, possibly the opposite. The Lifestyle series was in these fun, translucent plastics. It seemed like it was for teenagers. Neon yellow is when they're like, we've finally gotten this. It was hardcore teenagers.

51:09There it is. Like we've done enough of the black one for businessmen that how do we sell a new version to a new audience? Like when they made the Walkman, but durable and yellow. So I'm guessing it's cheaper than the traditional beeper. But more expensive than the lifestyle version. It was more expensive than the traditional version, but by an amount of money that it feels like... I'm trying to think of an equivalent product where you have to spend a little bit more to get a different color. Yeah, but by inflation. The Humane AI pin. Damn. Yo, it's$100 more for anything but the base color. Tesla Model 3.

51:46Yeah. Okay. Any car. Yeah, but cars feel different. If I had this thing, I would have a shirt that said, Eat Sleep Page.

51:56I think you're vastly overestimating how much a pager could do. Oh, this is 91, by the way. Did I say that? Adjusted for inflation. I was born then. 2004. Or no. I got a number. I was one year old. Nice. I was a thought. Adam was born then. Or were you 90 also? I was 91. You were 91. Nice. How much did this cost? I will not be got. So it was for the teens. I'm imagining. Pager. Adam's mom is like, I think I'm going into labor. Paige is Adam's dad on this and is like, you got to get home. If you think my dad had a lifestyle plus, you're mistaken. He was more an OG lifestyle guy. He was an OG, yeah.

52:42OG Bravo. OG Bravo guy. Moto Bravo lifestyle plus. All right, let's see these boards, fellas. Electric yellow edition. I wrote 199. Wow. I wrote 89. I wrote. I wrote. I wrote 20821. I think I'm right. I totally had a brain fart. I'm sorry. Can we do that one more time? Marquez is used to the Vision Pro protecting his eyes. Yeah. I wrote 199. I wrote 89. I wrote 208.21. Who is closest there? Well, what is it? Did I just forget it? It's$115. Why am I? Closest. I'm 89. Yeah. I'm definitely closest. Yeah. Andrew, you're killing this. Wait, what is? I'm overestimating everything. It's because I'm the boomer here.

53:28All right. Before we go to commercial break. Sorry. Do that again. Before we go to commercial break. Sorry. Do that again. Before we go to commercial break, I wanted to invite a trivia veteran to come and do one quick question. Specifically, Mariah Zink. No, please. Please don't. Is this in the theme of the current theme? This is in the theme of Mariah's Inc. Okay. This could be any format, any theme. I have one here. It's RuneScape based. Oh boy. So I know you all have been dying for a follow-up question. So I have a crawfish fun fact for you today. Louisiana farmers annually harvest up to 150 million pounds of crawfish each year.

54:22That's a lot. How many pounds of crawfish has the current world record holder, Sonia Thomas, consumed in one sitting? It's a multiple choice question. No, wait. Didn't Marquez say how many crawfish he's eaten in a sitting? I've eaten 60 in a day. Well, you have options. Well, no, that's a good point. That's what Marquez can do. That's my reference. An amateur eater. Okay, so we have - What would a pro eater do? It's multiple choice. Oh, sorry. How many pounds? How many pounds? Okay, options. Pounds. option a 1.5 pounds amateur option b 4.7 pounds and option c 6.5 pounds can i clarify something before we go no choose your pick 20 pounds choose your fighter hold record holder yeah those are amateur numbers are the numbers the meat that was taken out of them or how much the crawfish weight?

55:18It's the starting weight. Okay. Oh. That changes everything. That kind of does change everything. Alright, so David, you said option B. I wrote B as well. And then what did Marquez say? C. I said C. Alright, well, Marquez, you are correct. 6.5 pounds of crawfish. That's sick. That is a sickening amount of food. There's actually a video of it online. Could you just play the sound? Do you want to hear how many other things she's consumed? Other records she has? When I heard World Record Holder, I imagine Crawfish was a specific one just to have a world record and she probably has a bunch of other world records of other random foods.

56:01She does. It's very impressive. She actually, I think for the Crawfish record, beat all the other male competitors by multiple pounds. Wow. This tiny woman, her nickname is the Widowmaker. What? And she's also eaten 183 chicken wings in 12 minutes. I can't even imagine that. I don't think I could pull that many off the bone in 12 minutes. And she's also eaten... Yeah, 183? No way. Yeah. She's eaten 206 gyoza in 10 minutes. That sounds delicious. Ungodly. And also 80 chicken nuggets in five minutes. That's nuts. That's a lot of crawfish.

56:47It sure is, Andrew. We're going to take a quick break and we'll have some more, I assume, trivia tech questions. We're actually going to be eating crawfish. I wish, dude. That'd be sick, though. I craw-wish.

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58:41Oh, in the lead. All right, time to buckle up. All right, let's go. This is our audio round. A fan favorite. All right, today's this time, this go-round, this extravaganza's theme is tech announcements. I'm going to play an audio clip of the announcement of a product, and you need to tell me which product that is. For example, if I play... So, three things. A widescreen iPod with touch controls, a revolutionary mobile phone, and a breakthrough internet communications device. Vision Pro? You guys would say... Are you getting it? The iPhone 1. The iPhone, yes. So if one of these isn't the developers chant, I'll be very upset this Windows wasn't it are you talking about the one where they're all like dancing?

59:44Is that not? I think that was like Windows 98 or something. I thought it was a Windows But that one is not on here, unfortunately, but we do have some other good ones like this one Now I want to point something out here the thickest part of that quick air is still thinner than the thinnest part of the tz series no you are writing it david just we're talking thin here but he could be wrong it's the ipad so it's so thin it even fits inside one of these envelopes that we've all seen i was there i remember and so let me go ahead and show it to you now for those curious we do bleep out anytime the uh product or company or anything is mentioned, hence the...

1:00:27Now, I want to point something out here. I feel like everyone would have gotten this by the end. The thickest part of the... All right. Everyone read your answers. Can't leave it at that. Can't leave it at what? MacBook Air. MacBook Air. MacBook Air. MacBook Air. MacBook Air. Three correct answers. Way to go, guys. Number three. You think you would have gotten it anyway? The envelope thing, yeah. Yeah, it's iconic. If you stopped before the envelope, probably wouldn't have. That was iconic. Don't worry. They get increasingly less iconic. Okay. Today, I'm incredibly pleased to introduce our consumer product.

1:01:02comes from the marriage of the excitement of the internet with the simplicity of even though this is a full-blooded we are targeting this for the number one use that consumers tell us they want a computer for which is to get on the internet simply and fast okay i know i know this okay this we had this had this on retro tech this this was probably you did i think it's the because yeah it's people getting on the internet for the first time it's the in the 80s it's a full-blooded oh man i'm very wrong or now I are we still talking in the same? The audio quality would have been the same because audio technology has barely changed.

1:01:53Yes. I'm leaving my answer. I don't know. It's between two different computers. It's nowhere close to what yours said. Oh, that's a good... Oh! Interesting. Alright, let's hear your answers. What was so interesting? I wrote the iBook. I wrote Chromebook. I wrote the Lisa. Ah, that was so interesting. It was the iMac G3. The first product branded with the i. Wait, iMac or iBook G3? iMac G3, the fun colored one. Remember? I thought that was called the iBook G3. It's not a book. The clamshell? Nope, you're still wrong. It's the iMac G3. It's the one. It's a computer. The bubble. Oh, getting on for the first time because it was all the kindergartners were getting online for the first time.

1:02:38And the i stands for internet. Internet. Mac. Mac. really yeah so is it internet pod too no well no by that point it was just like a back it was just iconic by then yeah there was the mac and that's why he says it's a full-blooded macintosh i had to bleep that part obviously um and that's why it's extra funny that steve jobs would be up there i almost put ibook selling a chromebook but this one this one might be uh i don't know A Chromebook? And quite frankly, I couldn't be more excited. Everything The Rock is cutting edge, powerful, exhilarating. And like The Rock, it will be the most electrifying thing coming out this year.

1:03:23And what The Rock is, the sports entertainment, the WWF, the a**hole. Oh, sorry, that was not trimmed properly. It was supposed to say, will be to video games. Yes, that was actually Dwayne The Rock Johnson. And he was standing on stage next to Bill Gates. and I need to remember what he was announcing. That is so hard. Marquez, when he played this for me, I had the exact same reaction. I was like, I know this. What is this? I've seen this. I love this. It's just the two of them standing next to each other and I'm so mad my board's going to be blank because I don't remember what it is. Oh, no. I can see it.

1:03:56If this is right, I'm very surprised Marquez got it wrong then. Marquez, did you not write anything? I didn't write anything. Whoa. All right, what did you guys write? Xbox. Xbox? Xbox? Yes, box. The Rock was correct. Wait, you said he was standing next to Bill Gates and that it was a video game device. Yeah. The PSP. Windows, and I was like, I don't know. Sorry? Windows. Yeah. All right, number five. You had it. That was close. The bar is pretty high. In order to really create a new category of devices, those devices are going to have to be far better at doing some key tasks. They're going to have to be far better at doing some really important things.

1:04:38Better than the laptop, better than the smartphone. I got it.

1:04:52Okay.

1:04:59It was. The problem is, netbooks aren't better at anything. That's not true. Steve Jobs. I love my netbook. I love my Asus Eve. They're slow. I loved it. They have low quality displays and they run clunky old PC software. That's true. They're not better than a laptop at anything. They're just cheaper. They're small. They're just cheap laptops. Small, small battery, small screen. I love them. You guys argue with Steve Jobs in real time? Like, that is so, so funny. Steve. Yeah, that was a good time. Steve clearly didn't have my e-book. I had an Asus laptop also, but it was like some other... I forgot.

1:05:38I reviewed it, too. E-E-PC. All right, all right. We've got answers. I wrote iPad. Pad, sorry. That's it. And you are correct. I got surprised. What did you guys write? I was like, did I really write that? I also wrote iPad. Nice, nice, nice, nice. Also, the iPad is not better at surfing the internet. than the MacBook. Well, now it is. No, it's not. Oh, then the MacBook? No, but then the netbook I had in 2008? Oh, my God, yes. I don't know. I don't know. You guys never knew the pain, man. I had a netbook. I know. But that's what I'm saying. It's like having a netbook is fine when you're like, I'm not even going to get into it.

1:06:21Let's get to the next one. Is that worth arguing with you guys?

1:06:27Oh, I know this one. Thank you and good morning. Thank you for joining us here in New York City. You know, it was just 18 months ago when outlined a new strategy to deliver people great mobile products. At that time, we recognized that the industry had shifted. It had shifted from a battle of devices to a war of ecosystems. and in order to deliver consumers a competitive experience, needed to be part of an ecosystem. I got it. Which meant giving people beautiful phones while also ensuring that we delivered a wide range of services and applications that consumers expect today. As a result, we outlined deliberate steps would take to realize our strategy and bring to people great mobile products.

1:07:21what do we got well you didn't pray that time i was listening to the thing so give me a minute here okay great mobile products i'm done great mobile products that last line is throwing me off but i think i'm sticking with whatever why not okay this one's worth two points we just decided what

1:07:42i'm sticking with what i wrote i don't i have no idea okay it threw me off all right all three wrong answers but for our audio listeners let's say them anyway Amazon Alexa speaker no I wrote Pixel 7 no Andrew was the closest though the answer this was for the Nokia Lumia 920 and 820 this is where they announced they were going with the Windows Phone Series 8 OS so when they said mobile devices at the end cause that whose voice was that I don't know it sounded like Jeff Bezos for the first half of it He did have a very tech executive voice. And then I, at the end, got thrown off. Hmm. It's whoever was the president.

1:08:26I think that's what immediately just made me think, Ab. When they said mobile devices and ecosystem together, I thought Pixel Watch. That's when I thought Windows. And New York. And New York. Pixel Watch. That's a recent one. That was a good one. I like that. But the audio sounded older than that. Yeah, it did. On to the next one. Dang. Dang. Hi. Dang. I'm Michael, and I'm a product manager on the mobile team. I just drove from the office in California to the DeYoung Museum in San Francisco. That's so funny. And I used a very exciting new feature of to guide me. I'm pleased to announce the beta launch of one of our most requested mobile features.

1:09:02Turn-by-turn GPS navigation with voice guidance is coming to for Android-powered phones. I believe GPS navigation isn't your typical GPS navigation system. Less than 1 % of today's GPS navigation devices are connected to the cloud. But navigation was built from the ground up for internet-connected devices.

1:09:25I don't know why Beeping thinks he's a good one. It's very funny. When I tested this round out on Miles and Adam, they both just couldn't stop laughing. I can imagine Miles just laughing this whole time. I feel like I'm wrong because it feels very obvious and Marques looks very confused. So I'm probably wrong. The answer is the Apple Watch. Remember, it's Bleep's office in Bleep, California. That's right. Let's see what we got. Google's office in Mountain View, California, because it is Google Maps! That is correct, David. Way to go. Oh, sorry. Google Maps. That seems too easy. Nice. I wrote Garmin.

1:10:04If it was glass, they would have done the audio bit of them jumping out of the blimp to land. I didn't realize there was software products on this list. maybe I should have mentioned that tech products I just thought a product was a device no I understand the confusion unfortunately I cannot award you points but I will take responsibility for the incoherence up next the circle perfect simple some might say simply perfect stop Johnny I am a complete set of points all equidistant from a single point on one plane No beginning. No end. No end to the beginning. This is fake, right? It's that circle phone.

1:10:47So circular, if you will. What was the circle phone? Little known fact, the Latin word for circle is circus. Circus. Isn't that delightful? But that delight inspired us to reimagine the circle. For the new... Precisely 3.5 millimeters in diameter. forged and machined from the finest premium grade copper and iron housed in a unibody of die-cast aluminium fancy pronunciation this is real this is real to deliver the satisfying feeling of clip of clip? a circle, yes but also a hole a tiny black hole with the gravitational pull of a trillion collapsed stars approximately. Wow. I had to cut it off. It keeps going.

1:11:42I have no idea. I remember that. Yes, I played this video in here for you guys about a year ago, actually. I remember listening to this in the upstairs office one time. Why? I'll give you a hint. The key part of that was the 3.5 millimeter measurement of the circle.

1:12:08Read them. I wrote it in cursive. What did you write in cursive? Headphone jack. That's what I... You think this is the product announcement for the headphone jack? I think, no, that's what I wrote, but it's for... Is it for a phone that still has the headphone jack? It was for a phone that had a headphone jack. When, after Apple took it away. When, after Apple took it away. And that phone was... Wait, wait, wait. Give me a sec. No. Wait, what did Marques write? He wrote headphone jack. Headphone jack. Wait, the Pixel 1? oh wait i feel like it was more around the htc one i thought it was like pixel three the pic no the pixel three didn't have a head only the pixel one had that only did it yes it did did it yes it there's a pixel two no other pixels had one 3.4 millimeter headphone jack refreshment because i was gonna say two that's what they said refreshingly not new pixel one well you're wrong because the pixel 5a did in fact have a headphone jack and this is the announcement video for there is an announcement video for the Pixel 5a.

1:13:06It was an announcement for the Pixel 5a specifically for the headphone jack and that was that video. How did this not get more press? Wait, so the announcement was specifically for the headphone jack? Shut the f*** up. I'm not giving you. That is such bullsh**. I mean, we all would get it. It makes no difference. Yeah, we all wrote that. Oh, but that's not enough either. Now you have to change these passwords every three months. So we saw an opportunity to make users' lives safer and easier through biometric authentication. Now instead of typing a password, you are the password. It's the perfect combination of security and convenience.

1:13:46One of the most exciting examples of this is the iris scanner, which maps your iris and creates a unique digital signature, an eyeprint instead of a fingerprints. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Okay, so, okay. Oh my god. I need to remember which phone this was. For this one, if you just want, I'll accept the OEM, just to make it a little easier. Oh. But yes, this was the announcement for a specific phone, and maybe we'll do an extra point if you can get the phone to. Well, that makes me, that changed my... That changes the game for me. I'm just gonna guess one of them. Uh, it wasn't that one.

1:14:24Oh, well. All right. Okay. David? I wrote... Dude, how? No, it says iPhone X. It says iPhone X. Thank you. That is incorrect. I wrote OnePlus. That is also incorrect. I wrote LG. Is it LG? It's the Samsung S8 Unpacked. They were the first... They were not the first. They were their first virus? Yeah. What really messed me up is them calling it biometric and then saying only iris, which there was a bunch of fingerprints before. Later in the event, they talked about fingerprint stuff. They did have an iris scanning feature. I do remember that. All right, we have one more in our audio round. Thank you for reading my mind.

1:15:06This one needs a disclaimer because I am pretty sure this is a real announcement video. I haven't found any credible evidence that suggests it's not a real announcement video. I just have only seen this reposted two places in the entire internet. It looks professionally animated. It sounds professionally voiced over. It feels real. But just the fact that I can't find very many references to it makes me a little skeptical. So I just wanted to put that out there. I think it's real. If it's not real and you know it's not real, please reach out to us at the show. We'll make a correction. Everything about you and not saying that makes me think it's fake.

1:15:49You'll see what I mean. It feels so real that it kind of almost feels fake. That's the Vision Pro tagline as well. The smartphone. It's come a long way. What started out as a nice thing to have is now the most important device in our lives. But the industry has hit a wall. Each new phone is just a slightly better version than the one before it. True. Adding to what has become a sea of sameness. Oh my god! True. This guy's true. You do?

1:16:44Is this a T-Mobile case? Sounds like a Chili's commercial. No, exactly. You know what I mean? Like a non-advertiser wouldn't have made something this cheesy. Hubs that pull the stuff you want and bring it all to one place. This isn't the next chapter in the story of the smartphone. This is a new beginning. The new series. Series? That really sounds like a humane pitch. Wait, series? Yes. So it wasn't a single device. Once again, the last part. Is there any way you could play that halfway through since I interrupted? Uh, sure. And yes, this is not a single device. This is the announcement of an entire platform.

1:17:32What? With a different kind of phone that doesn't make you go in and out of apps, but lets you glance and go. Actually, I'm going to pause it again and say, uh, I'll explain why. The word series will probably not be helpful to you. And if you ignore it, you are more likely to get the answer correct, in my opinion. With a different kind of phone that doesn't make you go in and out of apps, but lets you glance and go. A new experience that keeps your life in motion and lets you flow seamlessly through integrated hubs. Hubs that pull the stuff you want and bring it all to one place. This isn't the next chapter in the story of the smartphone.

1:18:14This is a new beginning. The new series. So I will also add part of the reason I think these are real is because the dates on the YouTube uploads, the two YouTube uploads of this I found are accurate to when this product came out. So if someone were to have made like a parody. So the product is 100 % real. Like, you know, the product is real. No, this came out. This had a full life cycle and stuff. It sounds like a T-Mobile commercial. It does sound like a T-Mobile. But didn't everything sound like it? Did you guys both write something down? Yeah. Oh my God, I don't even know. Can I ask if this was a hardware or a software product?

1:18:56This video, that's a really tough question, Marquez. It may not be real. It is real. This video is for the software component of it. I prefer the term platform, but technically this is not confined to a single piece of hardware. All right, I'm not going to change mine. Yeah. I mean, I've got it wrong. I'll accept a pretty broad array of answers. I know this one's a little weird. Can I give reasoning as to why I picked mine? I would love that. Sure. All right. Let's flip it around. Oh, that's... I wrote BlackBerry. But what led you there? The, like, pulling things into hubs. Yeah. Oh, yeah. BlackBerry hub.

1:19:36Yeah. What about you, David? I wrote LGV10 because those phones had that second screen thing. I was first thinking like a Surface Duo or something. I was at Swell, but they never called it a phone. They specifically called it not a phone. Andrew. Or a Windows phone. Which is the correct answer. Way to go. I guess I was confused because we talked about Windows Phone before, so I thought maybe - You wrote Windows Phone? That one was worth two? Since, wait, hey. We never said - Wait, I thought you did say it was worth two. No, the last one was worth two. Oh, the last one was two. You didn't say it wasn't worth two.

1:20:10That's true. I'm going to be honest. I feel a little bad because I wrote that down very late. That's fine, dude. It's fine. Whatever. I mean, only feel bad if you win. Well, yeah. Wait till the score comes up. All right. So just to clarify real quick. The reason that the word series was at the end of Windows Phone is because Windows Phone was built on the work that was Windows Mobile before that. the last version of Windows Mobile was version 6.5. So the original version of Windows Phone was branded as Windows Phone 7 series. Yeah, that's correct. I remember that. We are running out of time here, but we want to get a few more questions in.

1:20:52So we're going to do a little speed trivia. For our audio listeners, our contestants are now pulling out their game buzzers. You might remember these from the Family Feud special. For those of you who have never seen the buzzer action play before, David, would you hit your buzzer? David. You will hear that when David gets it first. Andrew, will you hit your buzzer? You will hear that when Andrew hits it first. And Marquez. David. Wait. Minus one point. Marquez. All right, we're good. I was worried that the buzzers were broken. And I'm going to pass it over to Speed Round Maestro, the Leonard Bernstein of Speed Rounds.

1:21:32I'm going to pretend I know who that is. All right. Thank God, it's not just me. First question. Neither of you? Leonard Bernstein? Legendary composer of the New York Metropolitan Opera? Wow. I'm not a rich. Not on the same level. I'm not a rich. A movie about him is in theaters right now. Was it Tar? No. Nowadays, the tar is about tar. Former U.S. President Barack Obama was famously a user of what phone? Marquez. He had a Blackberry. David. Okay, but he now uses an iPhone and I know exactly what apps are on his home screen. But no one cares. It was what famously... All right, what's he a fan of?

1:22:14He was the BlackBerry president. He was the BlackBerry president. Then they made him switch, right? Because you can't have one-wing or a president. They made it like a super secure... I thought the BlackBerry was the secure phone. Yeah, BlackBerry... BlackBerry messaging. That's what all the secret codes are sent. I don't think you can have a smartphone that tracks your GPS location all the time. I think they had like a dumb phone. Like a super secure dumb phone for the president. So, next question. What is the most recently discovered planet in our solar system? David. Planet X. That's Twitter.

1:22:46Marquez. Neptune. Correct. Really? Yep. Oh. In 1846. Was Pluto discovered after, but then taken away as a planet? Also correct. It was discovered in 1930 and then demoted. Demonic. That was pretty easy. Just pick the furthest one away. because like how far do we go? Next question. I can't see that far. I feel like that was a targeted question. My eyes are back. Is a Taylor's version. Speaking of targeted question. Oh God. Oh. Taylor Swift notoriously was an anti-Spotify person and did not have her music on the platform. But eventually she did. That's right. When did this happen? David. 2022. Nope.

1:23:25What? Are you looking for a date or an album? A date. I was saying, I said 2022. Yeah, and you were wrong. Marquez. 2023. wrong that was my first guess 2018 wrong but close shame 2021 oh we're still going to 2017 2017 there's no penalty for being wrong and you get infinite guesses yep you just keep going good to know can you go back to back back to back like if I go wrong and then I press it again right away after the first three like once each person gets a chance Your buzzer is deactivated until I reactivate it and so you have no idea when it's going to be active again. And don't spam the buzzer.

1:24:11Taylor's version question. Number two? Number two. Oh, sorry. I didn't mean to do that. The extremely popular music video slash short film All Too Well is sitting at a cool 95 million views on YouTube right now. Fun fact, a lot of it was shot on Kodak 35mm Ektachrome. So the question, what year did Ectochrome come out to the public? 1970? Nope. Andrew. 1971. Nope. Marquez. 69. Nope. Damn. 67. Wrong. Marquez. Ectochrome. How about 1980? E100? I'm just going to skip. 1946. Oh, okay. Ectochrome? You didn't want us to count all the way up to the current date and then count backwards? Wait, really?

1:25:05That was when it was first released to the public. It was for government use before that. Or private use, something like that. Next question. I still shoot it sometimes. What? Why would any of us have known? I thought David might have known. How long is one Uranus year measured in Earth years? One year. Let me think about it. one Uranus year measured in earth years can we do like with it or 67 this one I'll just take whoever's closest can I go again we're going with an even multiple you guys will get one more round

1:25:47wait how does that work Uranus I get to think now because you both guessed wrong and then it's again again I didn't even pose my did you buzz me oh oh man i thought it's about a year that's what i said wait pause but if we go again and i'll take whoever's closest yeah okay from this round the first one is no this round one this round one guess each everyone gets one guess each right now 67 okay years yes

1:26:23marquez's turn

1:26:2950 okay 49 the correct answer is 84 years so david is correct what'd you say 67 so my first guess was actually the closest it was

1:26:48what was your first guess i said 68 the first time i thought you picked 67 just i didn't i didn't i know how long the days are on those planets but not how long the years are the years will be multiplied because they're further away from the totally different totally different it's how fast it rotates versus how fast it orbits really yeah but it's probably It probably rotates slower if it orbits slower. Turns out not. What tech device was internally codenamed Shamu? Pixel 2. No. That's not true. That's not true. That's wrong. That's wrong. That's my color, right? Wait. Nexus 6. I had that. No, that's mine.

1:27:29That one? That's me. What? Okay. It was my color. I had it first. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Here's what we're going to do. That was my fault. I canceled Andrew's buzzer, but that was, in fact, Andrew's Mountain Dew. Okay, for our video viewers, I have Andrew as Classic Mountain Dew. I have David as Baja Blast. And I have Marquez as Code Red. I saw the green and I thought it was mine. No, it's all good. I'm going to give it to both David and Andrew. I'll take that. I was going to suggest that. That was a host error. Were you also going to say Nexus 6? No. I was going to figure it out eventually.

1:28:05I knew it was a Nexus thing. I knew it was loud. Well, get the f***ing pixel. Okay. Alright. No, I knew it was... It was before the 6P. I probably would have said 6 or 5. If I had taken that long, I also would have. Yes. You had the chance to take some time. It was a whale and it was a huge ass bone. It was f***ing huge. That was correct. Alright, next question. Texturadoxin is a neurotoxin that can kill you if you eat it inside what kind of fish? Blowfish.

1:28:49I was going to say catfish but okay next question I liked that one are there tech questions left? are there any tech ones? tech or science take your pick do we have tech questions left? I'm okay with tech where's the G fuel question? don't don't tempt fate what was the codename Darlene for in what? in general Darlene? Darlene we talked about it in this podcast we did? yep

1:29:30are you pressing a button? yeah you have to reset thank you iPhone 10? nope marquez windows phone no but wait in this episode we talked about it this episode oh darling darling darling

1:29:55i don't even the ibook the imac g3 nope the pong system the home pong system they had code names that alright I think we have time for one more question are you guys ready? what if we did two more? alright we can do two more if only my whole life was that easy

1:30:29your alarm goes off What if I had five minutes to sleep? God's like snooze. All right. Earlier, before I was rudely interrupted trying to explain how a VCR and audio cassette worked, I mentioned ferric oxide particles. Ferric oxide particles are an example of what?

1:30:53A particle. A molecule? That's a little broad, I think. What element are ferric oxide particles primarily composed of? I could have done that one. Well, do it. Can I do that? Iron. Yeah, it is iron. I was in, yeah. Nice. All right, now we have one more. In 2016, Dwayne The Rock Johnson released an alarm clock app called The Rock Clock. You could use it as your regular alarm clock or you can also set it to wake you up at the same time that he woke up You don't know the question

1:31:40Accept an answer for him Not the question but good you clearly know what we're talking about every day that is when he wakes up Yeah, correct. He does wake up before but the question is and now this is only for David and Andrew

1:31:57His app was missing one common feature. What was it? Mark 10. Snooze. Nice. The snooze button. That's really funny. Also, there were two rock questions, and none of them were about the rock product that we actually had in the office, which were his headphones. Yeah, we had the rock headphones. It was missing what feature? 4 a.m. I wish my life was missing 4 a.m. The most useless alarm app of all time. You wake up at 4 a.m., and it doesn't snooze at all. that's not useless that's powerful it's powerful until you hit the x button and go back to sleep but you can't snooze it it only does 4am it's only his time zone also which I guess is like seminary day in some New York time zone I shouldn't have said two questions I said I said one I guess it bit me in the butt okay we're tallying up the final score that was a rough couple minutes for me there I I think I got one point in the last 45 minutes.

1:32:55I think David won because of the extra question. No, I got the last question wrong. Well, but the way I see it is when you asked for two questions, they added the question. Because they were going to do the rock question because we talked about squeezing the alarm. Were they? Are you sure? You think? That's my guess. I think I'm ahead by two. I think the second to last one. I got blowfish in there, and that was a quick one. Yeah, but I think I'm ahead by two. It might be. You guys are assuming these are all one-point questions. Yet, it's going to be really annoying when Marquez winds up winning this.

1:33:25Stop hitting your buttons. I'm not. Oh. Sorry. I didn't hit mine. It's red for no reason. Mine's over there. I didn't do it. I got me touching it. It wasn't me. Guys, it's happening. We have a Victor. I'm just stretching. Sick. Nobody named Victor works here. That's what you think. Oh. but there's actually someone named Victor at this table right now oh do we have a party hat he's been playing this game for a long time and I think it's been a long time coming for this no way yeah way no way if you're hyping me up the winner of Waveform Trivia Extravaganza 2024 is Andrew Manganielli Andrew beat David by a single point One point He carried the one He carried the one He carried the one He did carry the one That was actually impressive Well played I just want to say the last time this hat was used Was a studio channel I won As well And then Marquez crumpled it up I did.

1:34:47Would you like to do the honors? I would love to. Thanks for watching this studio episode. I hope you enjoyed the waveform trivia extravaganza where the points kind of eventually do matter. We've been your hosts, Marquez. Andrew. The winner. And David. Ellis. Adam. Not the one. Waveform was produced by Ellis and Adam. We are part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. and our intro-outro music was made by Vainstil.

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