Waveform’s Favorite Cameras!

34:46And that is because I am a member of the conspiracy theory. The conspiracy theorist group. You just think such thing as carpets? The pixel. That believes in microcontrast. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think that this lens and this camera are micro contrast beasts. What the hell is a micro contrast? David? It's the little contrast. It's a very unproven thing. Is it the one one thousandth of a contrast? Because, okay, lens characteristics are very... Some of them are big differences, right? Sometimes you'll have the famous Helios 44.2 lens that has swirl around the edges. that's a very obvious lens decision in the production of the lens a lot of other lenses when you get to like sony lenses right because they're just trying to make like you know the sharpest possible lens it's it's optically close to optically perfect but a lot of people don't want optically perfect now micro contrast what people would describe it as as is the look of 3d pop so you know how you can look at some images and you're like oh that's a great photo and then you look at some and you're like whoa it has like spatial like texture and it's sort of like things pop coming out of the image um it's a it's a conspiracy theory it's a conspiracy people argue about it in camera forums yeah and they talk about they talk about the existence of it and the non-existence of it they talk about how some lenses are better for it where other lenses are worse for it they'll post like like like data analysis like trying to prove yeah this lens has more micro contrast and another person would be like no you're you're reading noise in the sensor yeah it's not it sounds like trying to like quantify soul in a song yeah yeah okay it's pretty much the same thing yeah like how much does the image like pop off the screen you know i i i get the textural feeling that you're saying that you're talking about you could taste that carpet you could taste it no your dogs peed on that carpet and thrown up on it there is definitely a lot of color noise in the carpet.

36:49Yeah, this is a noisy camera. So it's possible that the noise has to do with 3D pop. Not to just like make you explain 10 million camera things. This is not a backside illuminated sensor. What the hell is a backside illuminated sensor? It's where the back of the sensor it has light shown onto it which gives it more dynamic range. Perfect, thank you. It's a newer thing. Less noise. And by newer thing I mean like seven years ago. but this camera is way older than that. So yeah, less less noise in the shadows. My favorite thing about this picture before we move on is I love the way the reflection of the chair comes out of the floor and how the camera, the lens plus the floor gives it this crazy sort of ghost bloom.

37:33Yeah. I think that's a really compelling part of this image. Yeah. No, the bloom out of this lens is very nice. All right. She popping. So this next photo before you open it, This next photo is taken on a different lens, a much more standard camera lens, which is why this is going to look much more just like normal portrait photograph. I lied. Oh, beautiful. Thank you. This is the second photo. This is the second photo. Same flower. Same camera, different lens. Wow. Beautiful. Straight out of camera? Straight out of camera. That Canon color is really popping. I'll tell you that. Oh, Marquez has a thought.

38:09Marquez has a thought. Nothing.

38:14What is this? Is this pondering? Does anyone want to guess what exotic location I capture these beautiful tropical flowers in? Your backyard. Is that cars in the background? Yeah, this is the parking lot outside of our building. Oh. Yeah, so to give some verbal description of this, this is flowers with the petals sort of hanging down at the bottom of the flower with the bulb in the center. Kind of like they're very colorful. They're orange and green. They are pink flowers. um the one on the left the highlights are clipped so you know you're right they are could use a little more dynamic range but overall i think the the bokeh which is the out of focus areas in this image are very creamy yeah because this lens gives a lot of that um that bloom that kind of like gives it to the bokeh and the colors are wonderful and uh yeah if if there was a little bit more dynamic range on that left flower i could definitely see this actually you know even without that i could see it on my wall yeah thank you very beautiful this one to me looks like a like a windows xp wallpaper and uh it's shot with a canon fd 50 mil which is a complete cheat code of a lens if you want to pretend like you're a really good photographer get a canon fd 50 mil yeah the fds are famously great at micro contrast right that's what they say i'm a micro contrast machine in the conspiracy world um that is a 50 mil with a the 1.6 crop factor so it's more like a 70 mil um which is a really funny thing to have as a prime on your camera to only have like a 76 millimeter lens yeah yeah i really like this photo thank you very pretty sweet all right let's look at the third picture from ellis here we're back to the tv lens on this one bang uh bang city see this is where the micro contrast starts to look incredible we've got a believer over here folks yeah so this is a photo of a tree that's lost all of its leaves in the center with trees that have not lost all of their leaves around it as well as the sky and a cloud and yeah it's really popping the contrast is popping really nicely there's some nice shadow detail the blacks are very black there's a little bit of peeking in the top right it's kind of got it all you know um would you say it's filmic yes because the thing i was gonna say the reason i don't like digital cameras generally is that shooting foliage with digital cameras sucks because there's this process called demosaicing which we have talked about in a studio video before where you take the photo and the sensor is like rgrb rgrb and it's this repeating pattern yeah and it takes in these light values and then the software has to basically put the image back together based on repeating patterns that it notices but because of that really really fine detail is not good for digital cameras because the areas of contrast uh get lost in that restructuring of the image and film uh is just a die so it's very granular in its like tonal shifts whereas digital cameras generally have this problem where it's like all of the the fringing on the edges is like very you know it just looks very like tack i feel like it's very tied to the resolution of the shot too it's like the more resolution you have the more smooth it can appear to be yeah but it's digital so yeah yeah but it's still digital whereas this and i think ironically the negatives of this camera are what give it more of that filmic look because of the chromatic aberration the the wavelengths of colors are actually slightly separated so that direct contrast fringing that you'd normally see on a good camera are not there and so it looks more um more smooth more film like that the the trees look more like real trees than you would get from like a high quality camera it lets you get away with how noisy the sensor is yeah this camera like i think in a lot of environments this camera and this lens together are just frankly like unusably noisy um but when you have i don't know some sometimes it just uh just works yeah i like this photo has simultaneously a ton of dynamic range and almost no dynamic range at the same time it's really interesting i like it um and then you don't have to review this one i just thought this would be a good thing to bring up and this this the the bonus pick is one that i actually took with you david oh yeah uh no i lied this is not a picture i took with you oh no but when you point this camera into the sun it shoots rainbows.

43:00And I just think that is swell. That's cool. They use that in movies sometimes. Get a really cool effect. So David, going forward what would you like to see me do with this camera more? Interesting. Interesting. Yeah, this one's hard. This one's hard. Because it's nonsense. It's just like it's so purely artistic. Yeah. So it's like, he's telling you how to be an artist now. Correct. You're taking like highly artistic pictures. Ellis, this first picture, I think everyone in this office has taken a photo of the robot armchair. That's why I included it. I love this photo. It looks so good. I assumed one of you guys would also bring a photo of this chair.

43:42I think everyone's taken that photo. Just like. Just the light is nice. The light that comes through, especially now when it's at like four o 'clock and we're in the office when golden hour hits. as long as that wind turbine isn't spinning and causing it to flicker in that area. It's just a beautiful little corner of our office. A little alcove. Yeah. Very nice. There's even a dead Astro Bot. Yeah, that's my favorite part. Yeah, that's my favorite. All right, it's Adam's turn. My turn.

44:19All right, Adam. Yes. tell me about your camera it is i adam i'm at the big boy table this is the rico gr4 it is one of the most hyped cameras on youtube and i love it so i have been shooting with this for a month or two now ish something like that and this thing is exactly what i want from an everyday camera it is like one step above my phone but a thousand steps below marques's camera also prime also prime Oh, that's why it's so far below. Yeah. But like I can take this thing out of my pocket and no one bats an eye. Quite literally a pocket camera. Yeah, no, it is a super small. It's super thin.

45:02It literally fits in my pocket. I don't even need to string it on like a sling or nothing like that. That is basically the only reason I wanted this camera. I know nothing about it technically. It was just I saw the pictures that were coming out of it and people were like, I was like, okay, those are good pictures. And then I was seeing people just put them in their pocket. And I was like, that is what I want. The Ricoh GR series of digital cameras, because they also made GRs of film cameras, which, by the way, were even thinner than that. And the only way it was able to fit the film canister was in the grip area.

45:33But the body of the camera was thinner than the film canister. But if you put that in a hole like the iPhone, that means it's only as thick as its thickest point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Real quick, Adam, is that the regular version of the GR or is that the blurry version of the GR? It is the regular version. I want to get a blurry adapter thing. On the 4, there only is a regular. Yeah, yeah, right now. Oh, okay. The 3 has the HDF, yeah. Which is 50 mil. Yeah, this is the Riko GR4. It just came out. I think this is the newest camera out of all of them. Yeah, the newest one. Yes, it is.

46:04It just came out. And the Riko GR3, it got really popular because the Fuji X100V popped off and then the X1006 was popular for a long time. And this became the counterculture camera to that, which is why it's now popular. Yeah. Everything's a circle. Everything's a counterculture. and instead of releasing the GR4 for many years, Rico just decided to make multiple variants of the GR3. So they made the Diary Edition, which is like a - The Street Edition. They made a Street GR3X, which is a 43 millimeter lens, I think. The Diary Edition, which was like a cream color, but they made an HDF version, which is high diffusion filter, which basically makes the highlights bloom.

46:44I love that one. Yeah, which you can turn on and off when you want to, which is nice. and then the gr4 right now just has the regular version they did announce a black and white version which i want really does it have an orange button i don't know oh does it only probably more probably more never mind because they're gonna make them a lot lower volume oh yeah i don't think i'll ever understand that making did you watch our studio like in white making a black and white camera costs more oh it's lower volume you know it's lower volume production but it's i know they take one you gotta really want it they take one part off which is yeah you have to really want black and white yeah yeah that type of like that's your thing like instead of just sliding saturation yeah you have to want that yeah yeah anyway gr4 um it's apsc it is a 2.8 lens and it's got internal memory this is a prime um it is yeah 18.3 millimeter APS-C which is like a 23 isn't that 23?

47:44is this 28 on the web? what is the 28mm equivalent lens? equivalent I don't think that's really true either way I like it it's like the perfect equivalent for run and gun type stuff and personally I do a lot of pictures of watches like my watch shots and having it be a little wider that way looking down is awesome while I'm wearing it when I used the GR3 the one thing I didn't Well, the thing I didn't really like about it, one, does not have a viewfinder, which Ellis' camera also doesn't have. Yeah. It's hard for me to shoot without a viewfinder. That's half the fun. You don't know what you're going to get.

48:17The screen does not like flip out or anything. The screen is just fixed. So it's really hard to shoot from like different angles. Stop looking at your pictures. Just vibes. Just press the button. But like Adam said, when it's just like a run and gun really quick thing, I think it's pretty awesome. The thing, again, the thing I like it, the thing I like the most about it is that when i take it out of my pocket no one has to pretend to act a certain way like when i had my my real i had a sony a6500 a few years ago and i had like a giant lens on it and i would take that to family parties and anytime i would take it out to like people pose and they start smiling and they're like wait let me fix my hair that does not happen with this camera i just pull it out and i can take pictures and everyone's like oh look at that it's also like stark black yeah very very assuming low key yeah super low key it also does video oh yeah you want to guess what it does what kind of video i feel like that could do 1080 yeah 1080 just 1080 yeah mine doesn't do video at all that's fair yeah literally won't even shoot 720 that's true yeah yeah yeah okay let's look at adam's pictures yeah picture numero uno is a spot that david is very familiar with this is central park adam and i have been here together many times before or is this prospect park no it's central park um we're looking at a fall scene there is some fall color leaves and there's some dead trees importantly this is not the grass part of the park no no it's the water part of the park yeah it's a water park um water park he exposed it for the highlights so that you know the left side of the image is quite dark which adds a nice level of contrast but the reflection in the water of the color of the trees is very pretty very nice and um such a park baby i did nothing you know it doesn't have a ton of resolution so it does fall apart pretty quickly when you zoom in yeah but don't do that but don't do that it's got all the answers um but overall i think this guy's good yeah this guy's good another reason why people like these rico cameras is the straight out of camera color is also quite nice that is also very nice yeah like it i also have it set to also give me the raw if I do want to mess with it.

50:23But thus far, I have not felt the need to. What it does is pretty spot on to what I would do. Yeah. And there's also a different setting you could do for black and white, which is cool. Oh, really? Yeah. Cool. Alright. Very good. We'll look at image number two here. Numero dos. Numero dos. This would go crazy with HDR. Oh, sh**. This would go... No, Marques, no. Come on. You know I'm right. It's the opposite of what I'm right it's the opposite of what i want for this phone right no this would go crazy with the hdf version that's what i go crazy yeah yeah this is again a picture of the corner that ellis had it's like a little chair a little rearranged a little rearranged nice yeah different vertical aspect ratio but yeah so the sun is shining through the windows is reflecting off of a picture of a car and it's got a really big highlight spot which would look great with the high diffusion filter version um the color of the greens are incredible in this look very nice the the highlight roll off and the shadow sort of like the grays to dark colors are nice um yeah this is just a it's very nice golden hour shot and i think the greens are amazing here and hdr would look terrible it would be blast so much brightness it'd be insane yeah um yeah i like this photo yeah it's very nice i like the white balance the green in the helmet is almost the same as the plant yeah that's good all right and then photo number three is oh this looks good now i will say pretty much any camera in extremely perfect lighting like this like controlled lighting is gonna look awesome but this is just a quick snap this is an example of why adam loves this camera it's a quick snap clearly he didn't really like you know try to make it level or you know i actually tried very hard but thank you he clearly it would have been easier to see if you know you could see the screen or through the the evi it doesn't have um but there's a photo of marquez doing the smartphone awards live little bts uh looks really good looks really nice the color the color is amazing the color is really good yeah i had to take advantage of the set that everyone had because yeah everything was too nice it looks great nice lights um i also like the the highlights on the that are bouncing off the ping pong table it's funny that we kind of use the ping pong table as like a like a bounce card by accident um but it looks great this would also go a hard in hdr because the key light that key light over there stay with me is just blasting into the camera as well as onto the subject and uh yeah this would really cook my irises you want to move everything to the middle of the tone what create okay what's the difference between a circle and a sphere depth what creates depth z-axis what creates dimension in an image what creates contrast

53:28shading marquez shading shading no you're right you're right

53:39anyway anyway yeah that's why i liked this camera because i could do things like this because if i had to pull out a whole other camera lens you would have heard it going off if it would have been this looks great this is nice i saw you in the corner of my eye shooting and i was like i'll just i'll pretend i'm not yeah yeah just ignore ignore him yeah it's fine that's what everyone does very good yeah so i think um for the person that wants like adam said you know something you could just pull out of your pocket literally your pocket because this is literally a pocket camera no one's gonna like be posing for every shot you can just quickly do this you know a lot of the people that use the do you just take a photo i i don't know i wouldn't No, people use the GR4, like they really are into street photography.

54:17They're like walking around New York going like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Not really even paying attention to what they shoot, just kind of like trying to get that like hyper fast motion in the moment. That's why they make the GR3X, which is the street edition, which is a longer lens that's 43 millimeter or 40 millimeter. It's a little more street focal length. I mean, a lot of people use 28 for street too, but so, yeah, it is. weirdly like twice the price of what the gr3 was yeah they like basically doubled the price and i think they only did that because they knew how popular it was getting which is annoying um but the images look fantastic also thank you i spent a long time between this and i wound up getting an x106 but like i was going there's a thousand videos comparing the two right yeah and i knew it was small but when we got it when adam got it i was like wow this it is it's very aggressively compact yeah and the build quality is really solid too like i assume being that small and the threes were cheaper i was like this probably feels cheaper it does not at all it's a i feel like a lot of the videos i saw comparing the two with the x100 series and this one they were like you know it's a lot smaller blah blah but like it's they're still both relatively like no this thing is small.

55:36Also fun little trivia, Rico and Pentax are the same company owned by Epson Group the scanner company and the printer company. They also own a happy hacking keyboard. They do. Really? Which is really weird. Very random thing for them to own. It's a cool portfolio besides the scanner part. Besides the main thing. That's the part that makes the money so they can do all the other things. Yeah. Adam I like these pictures. Thank you. Very good. I think I heard that I won this competition so now I've noticed David being much nicer. No sandwiches. Just compliments. No sandwiches, just straight compliments.

56:12He said, I want any mid-time. All right, let's bring Andrew up here. All right, Andrew, let's talk about your camera. All right, I'm going to preface this with... Preface. I think I am the least camera-knowledgeable person here by a long shot. I've understood about 10 % of the things you guys have said in this entire episode. But I love watching all you guys take photos. So it inspired me to want to buy a camera recently. Also having a daughter helps a lot. I take most of my photos of Lane. This probably isn't the best camera to do that, but it's small and I always have it. That's a great camera to do.

56:55Autofocus with how fast she is has been tough sometimes. But I only brought in pictures of other things I've taken photos of because it's still fun to pretend like I know what I'm doing all right so I wound up getting this like I said I was between a gr3 and an x100 um the 6 was the newest one at the time obviously and I was looking through a lot of used ones and people were selling them for like more than what they came out at which was crazy yeah and I got lucky enough that someone who actually listens to the podcast was like yo I haven't touched mine in forever let me sell it to you shout out to him shout out abraham that was awesome he came to my beers and cameras event yeah dude he's awesome he's really talented we were following each other we were going to follow each other on instagram and he was i was like oh you follow or andrew follows you and then he was like oh yeah i sold him his x106 i was like oh he is like kitted out yeah so it has a nice little and it has a nice thumb grip from polar pro it has i bought this uh i think it's from open glass studio a little grip on the side nice and then i have it's not on right now but i have the moment cine bloom the 20 which is a lot it's a lot and um and the uh polar pro short stash wow filter that came with it also so uh it's uh gives it a mustache that's what i thought it did it's like a polarizer and also one fourth oh i didn't know that means diffuser diffuser yeah it's fun the diffusion stuff has been super fun i don't think any of my photos have it yeah but um diffusion is like we talked with the high diffusion filter it just makes everything softer and blooming it actually helps with digital cameras because we talked about the fringing in digital cameras it's like it's it makes it better it's just vibey man it's vibey yeah the p the reason people buy x100s is because they don't want to edit their pictures very much and the film simulations are great and are you speaking from experience there yeah like adam also i take everything in raw and jpeg i haven't touched a raw photo since I've done it because the colors are super fun out of this.

58:54They're just like yeah, it's fun to take photos of Lane with it and take photos of stuff. Right now, Christmas time with lights and stuff and like one of the diffusion filters is just so much fun to the point where I'm like, I need to put this away and probably spend time with Lane versus just taking photos of her. You got a star filter. There's star filters that the specular highlights like the Christmas trees will like turn into star shapes. Okay. Yeah, it's cool. You'll have to show me one of those. Alright, let's jump into here to see if I can pretend I'm artsy. Oh, wow. Oh, by the way, this is a prime, right?

59:26What's the focal length? 23 millimeter, it's like a 35. Yeah, like 35. Dude, this is a cool photo. Put a little mat around this, and it would look great. Oh. A white border. Yeah. This was, I was actually just like at a birthday party, and there was this basketball court that just like you could tell has aged a bit, and I thought the colors of it looked really nice. It's patinaed nicely. The sky was beautiful that day, and there's just no one standing there at all. And the grass was just so green. What film simulation did you use? I think... Classic Negative? I think almost all of these are Classic Negative.

59:58This may have had the short stash filter on it. Still don't know what that means. It's just the guy... I think it's... He's a YouTuber and I think he made a filter with PolarPro. Got it. So it's his filter. Yeah, when I preview this, it shows it with like a matte and yeah, this is a really nice looking picture. Compliments. yeah classic negative is a really nice sandwiches david sandwiches i hate um which is not at all in this picture no this is a great picture andrew thank you it's nice um yeah i think i use that i have been it is so much fun to mess around with like recipes that people make yeah um following the like different fuji uh subreddits fuji x weekly yeah and fuji x weekly and just going through all those and being like all right i'm going out and shooting blah blah blah today so i'm gonna start yeah oh shutter speed but if you pick it up and spin that's iso that's cool it's pretty cool yeah so fuji recipes are basically just like preset settings because in the camera you can change the the base film simulation which they have like they're emulating different um old films but then you can change like the saturation the saturation of the blues you can make it softer you can change all these settings and so people will create their own recipes to emulate either old films or just like a style that they like you know they'll call it like italy in the summer pacific blues is one that i have that i really like pacific blues actually was a film though was it yeah it was a real film um but they've become very popular people share their recipes online there's now an app that someone showed me at my beers and cameras event where you can uh you can just connect to the camera and it will flash the recipe onto the camera is it the fuji app no it's not okay then i'll have to get it's a third party app it's not hard to enter them in it's all just through the menu settings it takes a while yeah it's a lot of just like you know the joystick fiddling around and you can save some presets that'd be awesome yeah yeah um you will notice for some reason i only take uh portrait vertical yeah vertical photos only um maybe i should have bought the fuji x half but um bro but uh yeah i I don't know why I only take vertical.

1:02:13Damn, this is great. Which is making it harder to view on a laptop screen because it's perfect. The second photo is of some berries on a bush. It's shot at a pretty shallow depth of field. Probably F2. I think this is F2, yeah. And it's snowing. So you can see the flurries of snow. So it's probably like a 1 15th or 1 30th of a shutter speed. The benefit of this camera, too, is that it's got IBIS. um, IBIS. And so you can handhold it for like a whole second and it's awesome. It's awesome. As long as things are, aren't moving, which when I'm taking photos of lane, it's just everything. It's what's the metadata.

1:02:50It was, it was super bright. This was midday. It just started snowing when we were in Salem, which, which is why that house kind of looks like elongated, but I think it was just big snow, big snow, big snow flurries. Um, the, the house in the background is just like every house in Salem. It's just this beautiful house made in the like 1800s. And it's just a beautiful place to shoot. The colors in this photo are awesome. Thank you. I really like the pictures. I shouldn't take any credit. It's probably all food cheats. Well, and this is why people buy these cameras, right? Because you can just get stuff like this straight out of the camera with no editing.

1:03:21Okay, now say something bad. I'm feeling jealous.

1:03:27Damn. I would possibly straighten this slightly different. Because you can see the lines in the back are not. They're like angled a little bit. This is something I think I have a big issue with is I do feel like a lot of my photos are slightly not straight. And then sometimes I have problems straightening it. Do you use any of the auto straightening features? I don't use auto straightening. So on these cameras too, on the screen or in the viewfinder? Oh, you have that on. I have the 2D one on. The 3D one feels like it takes up so much of the LCD. It does, yeah. but maybe i should do yeah i would just try one of the auto straightening features there's also um like there's perspective correction in things like lightroom where you just drag a line down one of the straight lines and it automatically fixes it yeah it goes crazy actually yeah it's cool i use it a lot some because sometimes i'll go into the rotation tool right and yeah i'll be like that line looks off fix that into a line in the rotation tool and be like now this line looks off and i don't know if that's me that's perspective issues because you're shooting this mostly straight on but that house is like in the background and there's cur there's like curvature between the foreground and background so yeah i would use a perspective correction tool okay which lightroom has i'll have to find that because i think that would help me with so many i also am terrible at taking a photo head-on of something i feel like i'd mostly take photos now at an angle because when i'm head-on i realize i'm like three degrees off at some point yeah and i can't unsee it in a photo and it feels like it ruins the photo yeah yeah this is great this is a good picture yeah very nice oh andrew i think this is all subject this is not andrew came up with this uh with this idea for this bonus episode and i think

1:05:21wow the colors on this are awesome where'd you find this this is in salem also okay so this is a payphone that has a ton of uh spray paint and different stickers on it and then the wall has a big mural on it but the colors of the mural are the same as the colors both spray painted on and on the stickers of the payphone so it looks really cool looks really nice wow we drove by this dang dude and then i later when lane took it up walked back to go take a photo of this because i was like that just looks really cool. It matches the mural. It's cool because the foam cord is ripped off. This is very clearly a thing that hasn't been used in forever and people just vandalized it slash turned it into what felt like an art piece on the wall.

1:06:10That is probably my favorite part about carrying an actual camera versus my phone. You drove past it and you were like, I'm coming back for that. I need this. I need that picture. The cool thing is that this is also a 40 megapixel camera so you can like you can zoom in pretty decently yeah it looks really nice sure i would i like the angle that you took this a lot i would i would be interested in seeing what the perspective of straight on would be which you know is just something you could do in gemini 3 but just make it for you just that's the way that is a lightroom yeah they'll probably add that to photoshop soon um yeah the colors of this are great i think noticing how the colors play off of each other is a big part of photography and uh i like the yeah the 45 degree angle that you took it out is also really nice thank you wow i think that's a crutch for me i i think i like straight on photos i just keep messing it up do you have like a uh a piece of advice to making sure you're straight on straight on is difficult because our eyes notice any of those like small tilts more so using perspective correction is very helpful for straight on stuff because the symmetry is so important and we we notice that a lot more when it's straight on okay so it's hard it's kind of hard to get a straight on photo that looks like incredible you know you just have to make sure it's perfectly aligned but the way i do it so the way i do it when we're doing robot shots is like because so often the robot's not exactly straight with the object so what i do is i push the robot all the way to the table until it presses flat on the edge and then pull it back and don't go off that axis.

1:07:52I don't think I could do that in real life. Just like walk forward until I'm flat and then walk all the way back and try and be perfect. Yeah. My train tracks are pretty straight. I think they were too. Yeah, they're pretty straight. Thank you. I think I also, I would like, I don't know if you have a quick piece of advice because I don't have an example. all of my good photos are center subject center frame uh-huh and i don't know how to i feel like correctly balance a photo which is probably why i'm taking so much vertical because it feels easier to do that rule of thirds is a good like default um yeah maybe i'm just not finding it correctly in in the shot in the framing of what i'm looking for yeah uh yeah i feel like the eye for something i see all you guys take photos of these like corners of like a bench or and all that and i just like walk around i'm like i don't see that yet i feel like that with like car photography like i see a lot of people take great pictures of cars like the hoods the the hood ornaments from different angles and then i'll pass a cool car and be like oh i'm gonna try to get this picture and i just cannot get it it's so difficult yeah i think that's what i've been trying to do lately is i want to take this camera out all the time when i'm walking around yeah Yeah.

1:09:10Because when I get back, I'm going to dump 200 photos and be like, one of these is cool and I hate the rest of them. And but if I hopefully just keep doing it, maybe I'll have the eye for how I could have gotten that cool scene into a cool picture. Yeah, it's a lot of like, I think when you're learning, you can just you can look at a lot of photos that you like and try to understand why you like them. Just be like, what is it about this image that I find compelling, you know, and then try to recreate that. it's the exciting piece of the beginning of skill development where your taste is above your skill yeah i know that that's good and i know why that's not that but i don't know how to get that to be that right it might be the biggest detriment of working here like when it comes to media things the talent and the gear that we have here is so insane anyone here at any time can probably think like i can do that i watch this do it all the time and then you're doing you're like wow well Well, that's almost why I like the X100 is such a good camera for like 99 % of people because it does so much for you.

1:10:13But it is, it's APS-C, you know, it has less dynamic range than other things. Like Marques' camera, like with the HDR capabilities, the amount that you can do with that extra dynamic range if you want the creative control to actually do that is like awesome, you know. And you have all that creative control and what you can do later. whereas this you know it's a much more compressed sort of like amount that you can do with it but it's so much better straight out of camera for a lot of people so so give me your uh your h2s which are the best for what oh yeah i say h2 if you're writing an article in h2 headline it's just like the bold part i can i'd say the x100 series is probably the best like starter camera for anybody which also pros use it as their secondary bodies to just have fun with so you know it's both a starter camera and just to have fun camera i saw a wedding photographer doing it yeah their main camera was some crazy canon or whatever and then they just had one of these slung over their shoulder i mean yeah take photos of that at a wedding and people are just gonna instantly love it you know i've been on photo shoots where the photographer is taking like three to five thousand photos on the main camera and then every once in a while just pulls out an x100 and then goes back to the pro shots it's like and then only sends the x100 photos uh i say that adams is probably the best for just run and gun like street work just being as pocketable as possible you know wanting some just like quick snapshots of their life that they don't have to because even on the x100 you're deciding on what uh film recipe you want to use and like you're still doing some work to get it where you want it to be but for for the gr4 or it's more about just like in the moment being there.

1:12:03Marques has some recipes, but not like Fuji. Yeah, it has some recipes. Marques' camera is best for the pro, pro, pro that wants the most out of the camera possible, the most resolution, the most dynamic range to play with, the most to like... Flexibility. Yeah, flexibility to craft an image with. If you really like mid-tones. And then Ellis' camera... 100 megapixels of mid-tones. Most mid-camera? ellis's camera is the best for cult members um who for micro contra want yeah for micro contra uh yeah the thing i do like about ellis's camera a lot is that in the photography community there's you know people will argue and complain about what camera is best whatever whatever but there's also this subset of people that just tries to just try to do insane with like the worst camera possible just for fun because it's like worse but worse is also better in 2025 in a lot of ways because everything's good everything's good we're so used to seeing everything with like everything is within like everything is perfectly exposed everything's perfectly sharp everything is the autofocus is great this is great blah blah the resolution's great so it's almost like a differentiator to see something that is well composed but with a trash camera that has like Low dynamic range.

1:13:22Think about how much money people spend and how much time people spend to get that chromatic aberration that's in my lens. That's right. I think the tinkering aspect of Ellis' camera sounds like so much fun. That's the kind of stuff that's super fun. And then when you go take the photo that's good and know what you had to do to get to that point, makes the photo feel better. This is why I always say Ellis would be great with an Android phone, but whatever. Sounds like what I'm hearing, the best camera you can buy in 2025 is the one you already have. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's the Hasselblad X2D.

1:14:01Oh, it's a Canon EOS M from 2012. It's a 35 to 100. No, yeah, it is definitely subjective. That is the beauty of it. It's basically, it's art, and the art, no matter who you are, will be subjective to who you are. And there's probably a little bit of each of these cameras in somebody's favorite camera. yeah so i'm jealous that your camera has lidar autofocus i think that's dope yeah it's great when it works that's true well yeah thanks for watching hope you enjoyed and uh liked looking at a lot of our photos and maybe you have suggestions for how some of us can take better photos as well uh leave your compliment sandwiches below and uh we'll be back with your regularly scheduled programming pretty soon see you soon happy christmas peace waveforms produced by adam I'm Elena and Alice Rubin, partner of Ox Media Podcast Network.

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