We Drove the Cybertruck!

35:46Because they are like pushing a lot of boundaries. Yeah, well, it feels like they decided all of these boundaries and rules that they wanted to break because they thought it would be like fun and cool. And then they had to endlessly over engineer every single part of that truck to still make it work with those like initial ideas in mind. But it's not like it's not the next step in trucks. It's not the next step in anything. It's just a really weird truck with a lot of really cool engineering to make to allow it to be weird. It's the same. It's the same thing as like the Steve Jobs. Like, I need it to do this.

36:19And the engineers go, that's not physically possible. And he goes, make it happen. And then figure out ways to make it happen in ways that aren't really the original vision. But they're still. Yeah. Actually, I have a feature that speaks directly to what you're saying. So I agree. The truck isn't innovative in that it isn't actually capable of anything that there are other cars on the road. couldn't do it has autopilot the same way other teslas have autopilot it can carry the same amount of stuff it has the same size bed etc there are other ev trucks that already exist but i think what they realize is with this first generation of ev trucks since none of them are technically capable of new things other than maybe a front trunk you have to differentiate yourself and so that's tesla's whole thing they're like look at how every other truck looks the same now look at how ours looks yeah and so they are sort of engineering their way into a new form factor in that way there is one crazy feature okay instead of enabling with a giant 240 kilowatt hour battery some massive range and an ability to tow more or longer than every other ev truck instead it's 123 kilowatt hour battery it's roughly the same but there is an optional battery extender that you can buy and equip the truck with, and it will fit neatly in the trunk of the Cybertruck and add 120 miles of range, but it also adds all of the weight of more battery.

37:49So basically Tesla's thought process is, in this day in EVs, 300 miles is a good number, and we're going to try to hit that because if we do actually try to hit 500 miles, it adds too much weight to the truck and it compromises too many other things with this truck. You become a 9 ,000 pound Hummer truck. So we're going to have a normal weight and we're going to have a normal 300 mile range. But if you are going to tow or do some hauling or road tripping and you do want to sacrifice the weight just to have that ability to do it, we'll sell you a huge battery pack that you put in the trunk of the truck.

38:24So the battery gives you more range than it takes away for it being heavy. Exactly. How much does that cost? Do you know? I don't know if I got a price for that. That's a good question. And is that hard to take in and out? Probably. Okay. Yeah. I feel like that's super heavy. Probably a couple thousand pounds. And does it charge in like synchrony with the car when you're charging the car? I believe, I suspect based on what they told me, it'll act like just an extension of the car's battery pack. Is there a 240 outlet in the trunk? In the trunk. In the bed? In the bed. In the bed. Yes. So, and that's actually a good feature as well.

39:00Reverse charging. Reverse charging. Yeah. To charge your home. Whatever you want. Or another vehicle. Oh, are they releasing a cable too? Just like Lucid? I don't even think you need a special cable. It had a straight up 240 volt plug in the trunk that can do nine and a half kilowatts out. Oh, wow. So if you just have like the cable that you get with any EV that has a 240 volt, pop that thing in the Cybertruck trunk and it will literally charge whatever car. Okay, that's cool. We're making a short on that. I think so. I think that's pretty sick. And then, no, they also said that the actual charge port itself would eventually be in and out as well.

39:35That you'll need a special box for it, like maybe power your home or power something else. So like the F-150 Lightning sort of. Exactly. Cool. So that's pretty cool. That is crazy. We need to see what it's like on the road, though. Yeah. Or not on the road. We need to see what it's like in mass. You didn't drive these on any roads or anything? No, no, we did. I more meant like, you know, it's like Marquesa, like we had one that was earmarked, like for us and we all we all liked it you know what I mean but I'm sure the first 10 that they deliver are also going to be as perfect as possible you know and then when there's 10 ,000 on the road and like all cars they start getting into accidents and like in all cars there's going to eventually be a recall on one of the parts and we're going to have to see if it's outlandish character is able to make it a comfortable thing that someone can own so an extremely common thing that you have to do in New York city um and specifically brooklyn is that people the the lanes are not that wide and people all the time double park and you have to sort of like squeeze between them because they're just double park for a long period that's not going to happen with this you literally will not be no way not any different than any other truck out full-size truck out how wide is it as wide as the rivian it's as wide as the f-150 oh really yeah okay so maybe it's as wide as the most popular vehicle and on in the united states i know there's a rivian in my neighborhood and it was just parked the other day because someone was double parked and he couldn't get around it yeah this is not to say that you should buy a pickup truck in new york city probably shouldn't do that yeah um but dimensions wise and practicality wise it does look insane but physically it's basically the same size as the most popular truck interesting i'm excited for us to get our review how much does it weigh again the way is just under 7 000 pounds just under 7 is it stainless steel so that's a good question it's technically it's an alloy it's a little bit more formable of an alloy than just pure stainless steel but its finish looks just like a refrigerator and an interesting note about that is the soap just match your lg refrigerator so number one cleaning materials are apparently slightly different you just use like window cleaner instead of like are they selling a polishing cloth he said any microfiber yeah okay so there won't be like a tesla apple collab polishing cloth probably not collab but there probably will be a top yeah there probably will be that but the other weird thing about it is i don't know if you remember the uh the concept truck it didn't have side view mirrors this new truck has side view mirrors it didn't have a windshield wiper now this truck has a giant oh wiper that's okay but finish your stuff but yes i have another the the concept didn't have door handles and neither did the truck whoa so instead there are small rectangular buttons actually it's it's a pretty big button but it's a button on the a pillar and the b pillar and you press that what are the a and b pillars uh between the front seat and the back seat it's got that pillar oh okay okay so right where yeah yeah um you press the button and it pops out the door by like two inches and then you grab the door and pull the rest of the way open this is all the doors on the truck and my first question was like what if it's iced over and they immediately were like yeah we tested that there's one in alaska right now and it'll push through an inch of ice whoa that's what they told me dang i don't know if it will but hey we're out here in the northeast we will probably be able to we have another short yeah yeah they did demonstrate that the the i forget if it was like um a solenoid or a motor or whatever creates the force that opens the door opens the door with enough force that you cannot physically hold it shut against the opening.

43:09Yeah, it'll break the ice. Wow. It's pretty cool. If it's going to break an inch of ice, it's going to break your arms. That's crazy. Well, hopefully no one's holding it shut while unlocking it. Yeah. Challenge accepted. And it doesn't fly open. Yeah, it presents itself. You are right. Will it not open if it's up against a wall or another car or something? Will it recognize that there's something there? It's only like two inches, so you won't be able to park that close. to something. Okay. Challenge accepted. But the windshield wiper. Oh yeah, okay. So this is an extremely widely debated thing and The Verge has been going hard on this for months.

43:42I have all of the answers. About whether or not is it one giant windshield wiper or is it multiple windshield wipers? Eli's been tweeting about it for months. Yeah, they've been doing hard reporting on the windshield wiper. Eli, this is for you. This is... As long as you can acknowledge the War of the Flagship podcast of Cybertruck reporting. Yeah. The Vox Media flagship box media cyber truck podcast so to answer that question it's one windshield wiper and it's one windshield the world's largest piece single piece of automotive glass that was what they said it's the biggest windshield i've ever seen one windshield wiper one huge windshield wiper it is okay okay how does it work okay yes yes poorly so it is stored up against the side of the truck not flat you know how most are stored like yeah like right under wipes down so it's up on the side and yes it wipes down up right it's it's probably five feet long it's huge but okay it's a big windshield wiper all right it totally because the windshield goes over your head and the windshield is the entire windscreen it actually totally covers the driver and actually covers probably 70 75 of what the path that's what i was gonna ask so how much Yeah.

44:58I feel like if you're sitting in a passenger seat, you're not going to get much clean. If it's going quick enough, it's probably okay. So it reaches the full other side of the windshield, but it doesn't go full coverage, obviously, because physics. Yeah. But it's a huge windshield wiper, right? A couple things about that. One, you're going to need a hell of a motor to, like, push this thing. I went to max speed, and I have a video of it, and it's just a huge windshield wiper moving. How fast does it go? Dude, it moves like a regular windshield wiper. Really? It's crazy. No way. That's crazy. How is it pulling that that quickly?

45:28It's got to be a crazy motor. And the other thing is the hub is exposed. It's not under the hood. So if this thing ices over, this thing is going to be cranking tons of snow off your windshield. How does it spray the windshield cleaner? Okay. Excellent, excellent question. It's crazy. Great question. This giant windshield wiper is also hollow enough on the inside that there is a pump underneath it that when you first press the button to like spray your windshield it takes a beat to pump the entire thing full of windshield wiper cleaner and then it sends the windshield down and then there's like 10 holes on the wiper blade that all spray as it goes back to the top wow i'll put it i'll show you the video that's i'll show you the video right now i got it on my phone the first the first like upward stroke is dry it sprays because it's still pumping it full of windshield wiper This is what I mean when I say it's not an innovative truck.

46:25There's a lot of new things in this truck, but they're workarounds for this stupid shape. If it flies up that quickly, it probably doesn't even need to pump any liquid because the motion will just send the liquid up. Yes, but I wasn't there. So when we pulled up to the parking lot, I'm just going to talk while they're doing this. Mark has it showing David the video of the windshield wiper. Yeah. Dude, it's so funny. It looks like a samurai. It's like a katana. it does it really does okay wait alice what were you saying it uh so we pull up to the the gigafactory and we're in this lot where there's like seven or eight cyber trucks okay that is also where we were able to look around and see that the panel gaps on these different trucks were like not exactly the same um but a lot of these trucks were just covered in dirt like serious serious off-roading had been done in them and in all the ones that had dirty windshields you could see where the wiper had been wiping was it a clean windshield not the cleanest again i i didn't i that dirt could have made it there after the last wipe they could have dirtied it to make them look cooler for us there's like an endless number of explanations for what actually happened but on the ones that did have a clean windshield where you could tell the wiper actually did work you were right the passenger side is still just caped 60 % we have one really cool shot from the video where we were doing it without a ND filter without a polarizer outside and we're driving on this narrow road through these woods and you can see the reflections of the trees and the clouds and the sky on that big glass panel and even the stainless steel is reflective and you can see it and it's you're just like oh this is cool what's gonna happen when the Sun is shining directly at the car oh it shines right in your eyes hooks you yeah reflections off this truck are nutty yeah it's because it's flat too like a lot of cars are like curved so you only get like a glance of the Sun get specular diffusion on this one if you stand in the wrong place you're just gonna get blasted with the reflection until you move yeah do you think it's blind drivers like driving by them and stuff there are going to be angles where yeah it's gonna and that's what i mean when i say we need to see what happens when these things are actually being delivered because in isolation when it's just one truck statistically it probably will never come up as a problem but when there's someone's retinas 10 000 on the road we might get a little uh yeah yeah it's like a million pre-orders if they all go through yeah well the price is way higher it's a very different price slated at yeah and it's also three years later are you keeping yours marcus so that you've driven it now that i've driven it now that i've seen it had it for a day i will say that yes there are some downsides but i think the crazy advantages that it has the crazy nimble steering radius and the the way it drives was enough for me to keep my pre-order and like wait till i have one and fully evaluate it and then decide between keeping that or the rivian i'm still not sure which one it's going to be they each have their advantages but i'm i'm much more curious now about working with the cybertruck because it has a tow hitch it has the six foot bed which is bigger than the rivian bed it's got the power outlets in the trunk it's got the you know dampened opening i stood on top of the tonneau cover it's fine like it has a motorized tonneau cover the tonneau cover is the back cover that goes over the bed over the bed yep you can open it or close it any amount you want you can stand on it you can you know trust that things inside are secure uh the the back seats all fold up oh and so there's a whole bunch of room on the floor that you can like oh put things tripod is it two or three row it's two rows two row uh two full-size rows so comfy back seats yeah comfortable heated back seats um yeah like a a lot a lot of good things going for it so i'm they're comparable in a lot of ways okay is the screen on the inside is it lengthwise longer or is it taller it is the biggest truck Tesla's ever made and it's also the biggest screen they've ever put in a truck it's 18 inches diagonally so it's the same aspect ratio as normal just bigger dang yeah big screen it's got a 9 inch screen in the back also the biggest they've ever put in the back can you also play Cyberpunk on it I haven't does it have the same GPU structure as the that I'm not sure about what if the 5G modem in the car it didn't get that far It will not go through the metal.

51:02Ours was in like a dark mode by default too. And I didn't know Tesla's had a dark mode. Usually that's based on time of day. But for us it was dark all day. I didn't, was there a light mode? No, I'm pretty sure when we were shooting during the day it was. You might be able to pick. Yeah, it was dark the whole time. Yeah. I don't know if there was a light mode in the software. I'm not sure either. Interesting. Okay. It was a very, it looks exactly like your car's UI. Just like change all of the fonts to look cyber. and change all of the curves to be squares. Is it like a bad Android skin? It's actually pretty good.

51:33Really? It's pretty tasteful. They didn't go too crazy. Okay. Other than the whole like this beast mode thing. Cyber truck. What's the beast mode? That's like the... Oh, yeah. Tell us about the beast mode. The triple motor cyber truck, they're sort of informally calling the beast. Okay. Sorry, Polestar. Yeah. Polestar BST also stands for beast. I don't know if we knew that, but... I did not. um there are when i was nine and i was running really fast yeah there are three drive modes in the beast comfort comfort beast i think it's comfort sport and beast yeah i think so yeah instead of sport it might be performance something like that and then the highest end is called beast yeah highest end okay and is that just like the most acceleration the most torque the most okay did you drive it in that mode i did drive it in that mode it blew my face off man dude it's fast It's like getting kicked.

52:27It's very fast. But it's not as fast as the Plaid. Nothing is as fast. That's one point. No. Yeah. Okay. But it is the fastest. Isn't the Navara faster than the Plaid? Yes. Okay. So the Navara is the fastest production car ever made. Yeah. Quickest. Sorry. Quickest. Quickest. Zero to 60. Zero to 100. Zero to 200. The Plaid is the fastest one mere mortals can buy. Right. And this is the fastest pickup truck any factory has ever made. Okay. Yeah. It's crazy. I don't know the top speed, but if it does an 11 second quarter mile, it's probably pretty fast. I think it's pretty fast. At the risk of sounding like a shill, this sounds pretty dope.

53:04If they nailed everything you guys are talking about. My number one concern with it and at the same time kind of one of its advantages is visibility because there's nuance to visibility. You can see everything. everything they're huge glass canopy in front of you over your head like behind you the the triangle window yeah up at the front pillar like you can see all around you amazingly well no blind spots other than right in front of you you cannot see what's right in front of you oh my god there's a new front-facing camera oh and you can pull it up in the software at any time and there's still no 360 view in teslas which i don't know how they haven't done this yet they have the cameras for it so get to it tesla people are people get blown away by that feature stitch them together it can't be that hard everyone else does it but you can't see what's right in front of the nose of the truck you just can't that's bad it's just the distance between you and the front of the windshield you can put like a pizza box in the front of this car not exaggerating like picture a pizza box yeah picture it putting it behind your steering wheel like opened up Yeah.

54:15What? Like a pizza. Like a full? Open it up. No, open it up like the angle of a Cybertruck windshield. Okay, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. So you're a long way from the front of the windshield, and then at the front of the windshield, there's a little front trunk and then a shelf. I cannot tell you if there's a child standing in front of the Cybertruck or not. I was going to say, this is not going to help the running over kids thing. I cannot tell what's in front of it, unless I have the camera feed open. You even ask them. It doesn't auto-open the camera feed if there is something in front of you?

54:41No. If you reverse, yes. and there's a button always to pull up the camera feed. But if I don't have the camera feed open, I can't tell. I feel like they should have sensors in the front that say if something's really close to you. I'm sure if it becomes an issue, they can like push a firmware update or something. That would do that. They should do that preemptively. Yeah, just like they always have the rear view camera. They should probably - In the front. At low speeds have the front camera. That'd be smart. No, it definitely is. That was one of the first things you said when you got behind the wheel.

55:07You were like, where are the edges of this truck? And they were giving you these tricks like, oh use like the corner of the windshield and like and then i actually i went out i was like marquez this is where the edge of the truck is like i held my arm up like a little flag yeah um can't and it still was like not especially the corners yeah like which are sharp yeah which are really sharp you know can they cut you probably yeah yeah no you could cut yourself on a on the corners on the edge yeah dang the rivian has a similar thing with the gear tunnel but that's only when it's open right like when you open the gear tunnel there's like a sharp corner people have cut themselves on that all the time we put tim through there yeah so when you the door the door of the gear tunnel yeah it's like shaped like this and then that then that right angle piece it's sharp you can just hit your knee on it and cut yourself dang anyway we've talked a lot about the truck yeah i think um feels about it that you're stoked on or hate i hate that it just feels like and i'm using the word vehicle here figuratively, not literally, but I just hate that it feels like a vehicle for people to be their most dangerous, least thoughtful selves.

56:13That's what pickups are, Ellis. Look, you said it, not me. So everyone can go after him. But yeah, that's my big thing is it really feels like it's so cool. The 11-year-old in me is so stoked. It sounds awesome. It feels awesome and is it good for all of us no it's not it's not did they say anything about when they're going to start making like more mass deliveries of it no that'll be a surprise to all of us i think what they're going to start projecting at this event i'm guessing is here are our first deliveries yeah it is whatever 10 to 20 of these things and we are about to go through a production ramp to try to get as many of these out the door as possible but that probably means 10 this week 15 next week, 40 the next week.

57:01It's going to be a slow ramp. Adam, I think we're winning this bet. I was just going to say, I want to note, we are recording this on Wednesday, the day before the event. And it was 20. 25 was the bet. 25 was the bet. So the listener knows who we're winning by the end of the year. So there's all of December to deliver 25. That's one a day. That's true. That's one a day. They're doing 10 on Thursday. Don't count me on 30 days. they could do it you've tried 30 ways but one day there will be a lot of these cars on the road yeah yeah dang i did appreciate and then we can wrap up cyber stuff after you talk about your your conspiracy theory oh my yeah that's so much better i was about to say something boring yeah okay i have this conspiracy theory based around the waveform trivia the waveform podcast we love spreading conspiracy yeah so everybody put on your tinfoil hats do we have any conspiracy music i'm I'm going to add it in post.

57:58Don't worry. I'll play some conspiracy music. But yeah, so the late rapper DMX RIP. We all love DMX on his legendary 2007 album. It was called Pick Up the Litter, right? Actually, I can't remember. Never mind. Don't call me. Sorry, DMX fans. I think I got that wrong. When they are taking care of my cats. Anyway, we all love the song. Oh, thanks. Do you want to say it again? I totally just talked over you. That's what I'm always telling my friends when they're taking care of my cats. Pick up the litter. pick of the litter guys this is going to sound far left somebody told legendary New York rapper DMX we all love him on his song X Gon' Give It To You which many people know famously in many movies and also in Rick and Morty which was how I learned about it you learned about it from Rick and Morty my conspiracy theory I think the song X Gon' Give It To You by DMX is actually about the Cybertruck.

59:01So you're saying he knew something that we didn't know. In 2007. Yeah, he knew way more about this, because look, X gonna give it to you. Okay, X the platform. There we go, X the platform, X the Elon, just sort of general thing. Okay, going to give you the Cybertruck. F*** waiting for you to get it on your own. X gonna deliver to you. Oh, making deliveries, delivery event. Delivery event coming up. Okay. Knock, knock, open up the door, it's real. It's real. None of us thought it was real for years All of a sudden knock knock open up the door With the non-stop pop pop from stainless steel The finish Of the truck And pop pop like the one that they shot with the gun Exactly So yeah I think we should all go back And listen to DMX's X Gon' Give It To You and really think hard Because I really do think this was about We can't do that without getting demonetized So you guys should do it Yeah wow I think that he had something what was that 2007?

59:59I thought it was 2007 2002 thank you yeah the album I initially pulled it up on was a compilation 21 years ago it can finally I'm gonna go through the rest of the lyrics and see if I can find handset future Tesla products maybe there's some Roadster references in that DNS song it's like in 2029 the Roadster is looking fine if that's one of the lyrics that's all we need to know uh okay let's take a quick break i do want to go over the spotify wrapped for this this year on waveform so we'll take a break and look at that but before that trivia ellis is trivia question too do you do you stay on this side let's do it let's do it tell us here from here tell us from here all right let's keep it rolling with the geology questions today.

1:00:47I didn't even pick geology class like Marquez. Igneous. What are the other ones? What? Igneous? I can tell you a lot about black holes, but I cannot tell you anything about our planet. Obsidian is one of them. Obsidian is an igneous. No, obsidian is an igneous rock. It is an igneous rock, but it is not another kind of rock. It's a rock formed by the cooling of magma, David. Don't you know? Anyway, let's continue. The most abundant element in the air we breathe is nitrogen. Number two is oxygen. What is the third most abundant element in the air we breathe? Marquez is pumping the air right now.

1:01:30That's not geology. No, it's not. Also, it is. That's just chemistry. No, it's not. It's about the atmosphere. That's geology, isn't it? Isn't atmosphere part of geology? Geology is earth. Yeah, the air and the atmosphere is part of earth. debatable. I didn't write this question. I think solids are part of Earth. I don't want to throw you under the bus because I had airplane brain and couldn't come up with a question this week and Adam kind of stepped in. But I'm with you. This isn't geology. Can you ask a question like, what was David's job before this? So I can actually get some points. Unfortunately, we can't repeat questions.

1:02:05So we're locking those questions in. We'll hit them after the break. Be right back.

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1:04:18YouTube should do YouTube Rewind. Rewind. But like wrapped. I want to know how many minutes of videos I watched. I want to know which uploader I watched the most minutes from. Yeah. I want to know whose videos I watched the most of during the year. Lo-fi girl. I want to know what video I watched the most times. Did I repeat watch a video? Mm-hmm. I, come on. I want that a lot more than what YouTube Rewind used to be. Yeah. They should take the opportunity to own the Rewind branding and make it something awesome. I agree. People would like that. This is a free idea, YouTube. I'll just take 10%.

1:04:48It's fine. It's great. Just do it by tomorrow. Just do it. Okay. Okay. So in 2023, people listened to the Waveform podcast on Spotify. Scrolling in, what does it want to tell me? This is the first time I'm seeing this as well. I listen on Pocket Cast, just so you know. Oh, so screw Spotify. I'm not part of this. So from the top. Yeah. Yeah. Thoughts on, oh, our number one episode of the entire year was Apple Vision Pro and WWDC 2023. I'm shocked. Yeah, I wouldn't guess that. This does not surprise me. I'm shocked. It was streamed 517 % more than your average episode. Wow. So five times the usual.

1:05:24Dang. That's impressive. Next slide. Let's hear for the new fans. Okay. Some of you are new. 40 % of your listeners discovered you in 2023. Wow. Wow. Nice. That makes sense. We had like an explosion of traffic. A lot of new people. And thank you for that, by the way. I think it's probably also true about the YouTube stuff. 5 % of our listeners started with the iPhone 15. As their first phone ever? As their first episode ever. Okay. Which is pretty cool. I believe that as well. Wait, how many percent? 5 % of all of our people. Okay. Yeah, that sounds right. On Spotify. Then it says, how does it feel to have gone global?

1:06:01the united states was your top country with 36 percent total streams but we were streamed in 153 countries what wait show your question how many countries are there there are between 190 and 200 countries ish depending on who you ask okay so 153 that's the thing that i always get surprised by when i look at youtube analytics is like many of these countries are not majority English-speaking countries. So there are people who are just like listening to the podcast in countries we never would have thought of. They just love to hear voices. It's pretty sick. So like 75 %-ish of countries listen to Waveform.

1:06:39That's awesome. That's pretty awesome. Wow, that's insane. That's crazy. You want the top five list? Yeah. Can I guess? Oh, damn. I wanted to guess too. Let's alternate guesses. Okay. Number one. Well, number one's the US. He already said that. Number two, India. Correct. Number three, the UK. Incorrect. Is it Germany? correct number four um the philippines incorrect dang shout out to the philippines south korea incorrect no think think closer mexico even closer canada canada correct oh and then five the philippines incorrect dang go east east sorry no doesn't matter which way you go go west west from the philippines iceland uh no from the philippines oh wait where are you no sorry okay start at canada start at canada okay go east iceland okay go south south greenland no no that's to the that's to the west uh the uk geology yeah yeah nice top five okay so that was US, India, Germany, Canada, and UK.

1:07:52Top five most popular countries listening to Waveform. Shout out to all of those guys. And girls, our listeners have good taste, so what else are they into? Sorry, it's giving me much more generic answers. Your listeners' top podcast genres were number one, comedy, number two, news, number three, sports. Wait, what about technology? Not in there. What? I think we're technically news. No way. Because we're comedy for sure. I mean, we're listed in all the technology charts. Does Spotify have a technology chart? Yeah. Oh, okay. Maybe it doesn't count because it's like other stuff that they listen to.

1:08:29Or maybe we're the only tech podcast that they need to listen to. We're the flagship technology podcast in existence. Okay, so our listeners top music genres. Okay, wait. Should we guess again? It's so generic. It's not even guessing. Yes. Number one, pop. Number two, rap. Number three, rock. Learned nothing there. Thanks, Spotify. Your listeners definitely told their friends about you. What does that mean? They shared the podcast? Oh, yeah. Here's how they shared the podcast. 51%. Direct link. Nice. 18%. WhatsApp. I knew it. Yep. 13%. Text message. Nice. Wait, SMS or RCS? Could be either. Could be either.

1:09:10No, no, no, no. 12 % others. 6 % Instagram. Okay. Instagram. Instagram stories and Instagram direct DMs. Most shared episode was I Can and the Seven Keys to the Internet. What? Go, baby! Really? Yeah. That's epic. That's epic. That's sick. Wow. If you guys haven't seen I Can and the Seven Keys to the Internet, it's a banger. That's really surprising, but I assumed that the secret history of the Internet would have been the more popular episode. The I Can and the Seven Keys to the Internet, that is a niche topic yeah but that's why you share it more a lot of whatsapp messages about that whenever you hear a crazy podcast that you weren't expecting to hear you share it a few weeks ago my friend came up to me dude I just heard about this thing it's called iCan I was like you have no idea iCan we've been inside iCan our podcast rating was a 4.9 out of 5 just kidding my heart sunk it is out of five it is 4.9 yeah that's like the pretty wait who rated us oh anyone on spotify anyone on spotify okay i thought you meant spotify rated us and then uh it's quizzing me which episode do you think got the most audience engagement iphone 15 and usbc everything correct nothing copies mkbhd the objective top 10 phones list damn those are some bangers i'm going with a c i'm just torn between a and c yeah i'm gonna pick c ac power or dc power it's a it's a iphone 15 yeah and usbc everything makes more sense how did spotify know to pick the one that we were expecting a lot of probably the top three yeah probably probably you hit the charts in seven countries and peaked at number three That's super cool.

1:11:05Yeah. You charted for 43 weeks. That puts you in the top 1 % of charted podcasts. That's thanks to you guys. Appreciate y 'all. We did grow 22 % in listenership, 61 % in total streams, 19 % in total followers, and 29 % in minutes of created content. What does that mean? That means we had some bonus episodes. Oh, nice. More than we did last year. So, time to give a shout out to our biggest fans. Okay. we are a top 10 podcast for 91 ,000 of you and we are a top 5 podcast for 70 ,000 of those people and we are I'm guessing it's going to say number 1 for some amount of people we are the number 1 podcast for 22 ,000 of those people who have been tweeting at us all day love you guys they've been threading at us too a couple threads here and there that's pretty sick so that's it that is Wayform on Spotify this year we appreciate that and everyone who's been watching listening all year we still have a whole month of Techcember together so stay tuned for that oh Techcember you're right yeah interesting okay we'll see y 'all on the other end of that also to all the YouTube viewers out there thank you as well we see you I know we don't have well we don't I know YouTube doesn't you see us but yeah YouTube should really do like a we metaphorically see you like a wrapped thing I think next year YouTube will do it.

1:12:29That's what I said last year. I suggested this last year. Yeah, you suggested it last year and I was like, there's no way they don't do this next year. They're a small team. I mean, there's still 30 days, so we'll see. There's still time. There's still time. A lot of people doing end of the year stuff. Not everyone has to drop stuff right now. Yeah, end of the year stuff should be November. I get I get scroogey about that. There is the thing though that like, I'll be real, I don't want to see my YouTube rewind. I watch so much YouTube. But don't you want to like... Nope. Nope. Nope. learn about yourself.

1:12:59Nope, nope, nope. Don't need to see it. I will, it will only inspire guilt and it will remove AdSense from my favorite creator's pockets. Oh, man. You don't have to pay for therapy if you just go to YouTube Rewind. Learn a lot about yourself. YouTube University. Anyway. Yeah, trivia.

1:13:21I'm hoping I'm... Trivia. Does it really have to be geology? Yeah, I'm hoping I'm right about this. Some updates on the score. Marquez with 15 Andrew with 12 which has not changed since he went on paternity leave David with 1, 2, carry the wine 14 What was David's last job? What was David's last job? So I need both of these to catch David No, I'm behind you by 1 Oh, what do I have? You have 15 Andrew's at 12 First question Andrew's being extra screwed so I guess I can't really complain that much Yeah, until trivia finale extravaganza where Ellis and I just cause chaos. So first question. The top layer of our planet is called the crust and goes 25 miles deep.

1:14:03It contains all known life in the universe. Fun fact. What? Yeah. Really? Do you know of more? I'm not allowed to say. Sorry. What are the three layers? They are the crust, the mantle, and the what? Are you smarter than a fifth grader? this is exactly where the specials from also there's like I think technically like 7 layers something like that but we're going with the basic 3 so don't yell at me earth is a 7 layer cake? something like that David you have your thinking hat on? how you feeling?

1:14:43I'm so curious what you wrote me too I can't wait to see what you wrote ok flip them and read what do you got? core yeah yeah core correct i just realized that in the last 15 seconds dang it okay nice it's like a because i was thinking about like apricots you know that's a pit david well you could call it a pit yeah you could go i was thinking of core android services fair enough i was thinking of core services for sure before i do this next trivia question i want to give a quick shout out hundreds if not thousands of you tweeted DM'd, commented the difference between end-to-end encryption and encryption in transit, just like I asked.

1:15:27One of you put it in a really, really beautiful, clear, easy-to-read way, and I'm a huge fan of beautiful, easy, clear explanations. Do you have the comment you could read? I do, and it's from Twitter user Pranav Tiwari. Just wanted to say thank you. He divided it into three tweets. I'm not going to read all three, but essentially it is all these messaging services, rcs uh android chatter i don't know what you what you people use um i message whatever telegram signal there's all sort of a central various levels of encryption no i was going to say like a server and when you're messaging someone your message is going to that server and then it's going so encryption in transit is where the server has a key you have a key you type a message it gets encrypted the server gets it the server decrypts it and then re-encrypts it to send to the final person who has a separate set of keys that's shared between them and the central server.

1:16:23And if you want to know about encryption keys, watch our episode. Watch our most shared episode of Waveform, iCannon, the seven keys of the internet. Bingo, let's go. Bingo, let's go. Encryption, end-to-end encryption is where you and the final destination party have keys that correspond with one another. So when it goes through, it is never decrypted by the messaging services server. That's the difference. I also have a correction. That Spoon album I was referencing recently is not called Hot Rocks. It's called Hot Thoughts. That's so different. Maybe we can get them on a call and see if we can change it around.

1:17:01It's a banger of a song and an album. The most abundant element in the air we breathe is nitrogen. That's correct. Number two, oxygen. That's correct. Number three is what?

1:17:18helium. That would be funny. Iron. For my apartment, it's iron. Iron's not a gas thing. Oh, right.

1:17:32Noble gases.

1:17:36Flip them and read. I'm going to be laughed at right now. Oh. What did you say? We both put hydrogen. We both put hydrogen. Carbon is solid Carbon is solid Is it nitrogen? Wait that was one of them Is it really helium? No Wait hold on You said noble gas It is a noble gas Yeah Which means it's lighter than 6 protons No it means that it's Very technical stuff for noble gases It means that its outer shell of electrons is completely full. You can't have... So, sorry. It's nitrogen one. Nitrogen one. Oxygen. Oxygen two. Oxygen two. And it's not hydrogen carbon. It's not helium. It's not... I'll give you a hint.

1:18:30Boron or something. No, it's not boron. I'll give you a hint. I really wanted some dried mangoes, but I can't have any because... Where did they go? They... Are... Thrown out. they're out out of date out of they oxidized they they they are gone it's argon

1:18:58argon is a gas damn oh that hurt sorry that really hurt wait it is the third most common gas that we inhale wow what does that do to your like body only Marquez is double checking. He's fact checking. He's like, I'm not a chemist, but. I have another trivia question if you want to try it. No. I do. All right. We've been talking a lot about renewable energy lately. Marquez and I had the exact same answers because we're the same person with the same voice. Continue. Sorry. Do we really want to do another one? I was right about carbon dioxide, but it's number four. Yeah. No, my other trivia question was so bad.

1:19:42that adam wrote this one so we didn't have to do it oh yeah wait so you're asking the bad one now no i'm not gonna ask the bad i mean i will if you really want me to but it's it's bad what makes it bad is it like hard you'll just never get it it's fun and clever but you'll never get it well yeah tell it it's about jazz oh i might get it okay okay i want to hear it anyway today we're talking a lot about renewable energy which we usually measure in watts so for today's trivia question I wanted to ask a question about jazz, specifically jazz drummer Jeff Tane Watts, who loves to name his albums with puns on his own name.

1:20:20So which of the following is not a real Jeff Tane Watts album? A. Watts. B. Megawatts. C. Citizen Tane. Or D. These are all real Jeff Tane Watts albums. I hope it's D. D. It is D. Those are all real. Wait, so Watt and Megawatt? He has an album called Watts. He has an album called Megawatts. And he has an album called Citizen Tane. Citizen Tane. He also has albums called Detained in Amsterdam. This dude is hilarious. All right. Well, I think, you know, last week might have been one of the most consequential insane weeks in tech in a long time. But we're finally getting the Cybertruck is actually a pretty big deal.

1:21:06Yeah. It feels just as chaotic. Yeah. Yeah. Which is a good place to end it. So that's where we will. Yeah. Thanks for, thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. Thanks for learning about Argon with me. And, uh, we'll catch you guys very soon in the next one. But don't try to look for a podcast on Tuesday because we are gone.

1:21:29What? Cause we won't have an episode. It's a pun. I liked it. Anyway. Wayform is produced by Ellis Rovin and Adam Molina. We are a part of the Vox Media Podcast Network, and our intro-outro music is by Vane Silva.

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