What Does the iPhone Event Invitation Mean?

39:06I'm going to guess 72. 72? 42. 42 for miles? 66. 66? 56. 56. 56, despite not using it? Yeah. Oh, man. That's where I was at until you said that. David is the victor. We are at 70 % this morning. I was not that far off. We're doing pretty good. You got time. You could make it till 4 p.m. if you want. I absolutely cannot. Yesterday, my phone died, died at 1 p.m. It made it halfway through the day. So much for all day battery life. Apple, am I right? Damn. Yeah. The 12 Mini, notably, was like the worst battery life I've had. Did they ever claim all day battery about the 12 Mini? I'm not sure. Probably not.

39:47I don't think they had it in their heart to do it. Yeah, it would be tough. That would be tough. With MagSafe, you can top it up pretty quick. Well, speaking of MagSafe, I love this Pixel 10 Pros. Yeah. Pixel's 10 Pros. Pixel's 10 Pros. I love the Pixel 10 Pros MagSafe. Yeah. And by that, I mean PixelSnap, a.k.a. Cheat 2. It turns out it's my favorite feature of the phone. Yeah. Is that a crazy take? No. It's awesome. Yeah. And that's, I mean, so there's a lot of people who don't have a bunch of MagSafe accessories sitting around. They don't have a bunch of wireless chargers and stuff like that.

40:17But as someone who does, wow, it's been awesome. and even if you don't, the world of accessories open to you now because of having Qi 2 built into the phone and not needing a case is amazing. Power bank, stand, wireless charger, phone mount in your car, it's great. So that's a high that we can start with. You've been testing a Pixel 10 Pro as well, literally the same spec as me. Is that right? The Moonstone 10 Pro 128. How's your experience been? It's been pretty good. We talked a little bit before about how Google is like really building out their ecosystem to basically match Apple almost exactly.

40:55You made a video about that last week. Even today, and I guess they were already selling this when you would buy the phone, but they officially announced it today, I believe. They have now basically AppleCare. It's called PixelCare Plus. So, yeah, it's the same. Yeah. And they basically have parity with everything. The one things that have been annoying me, and I will say I've been mostly on an iPhone for the last year, which I do not like about myself because it made it. The longer that you are on iPhone, the harder it is to switch back to Android. The more hooks they're getting you. Yeah, just like the amount of friends that have just like been really actually mean to me about.

41:35It's like we have our guys. I advocated for RCS for years. We finally got it. And it works great. But the bubbles are still green. she literally was like the color and I was like I anyway that's a whole lot of it I thought you were dead this morning when I text you like hey David do you want to carpool in this morning and my text was green I was like Jesus what happened yeah the one thing that I miss the most I would say is face ID being infrared because when I try to turn this on and it's low light it's like oh I can't see your face and then I have to go through the and I've also had some interesting sort of like touch problems where I touch in an area and it doesn't really register it as well.

42:17Okay. Interesting. I want to ask you a couple questions about your use because as of right now, as of the time of recording, it's Wednesday. And I haven't fully shot and edited the review yet, but I have all of the thoughts that I'm putting into the review. Okay. One of them is the GPU on Tensor is not that great. Yeah. And have you switched your phone? So it's the Pro, so it's already 120 hertz. But have you switched to max resolution or high resolution? No, I've not changed any of those. So by default, it stays at high resolution. I was using it at high resolution. It was pretty smooth. I switched it to max resolution, and it started chopping a little bit.

42:49Oh, really? And I was like, that seems not great for a brand new phone. Yeah. So that's one thing. Yeah. How's your battery life been? Not as great as I sort of was expecting from the TSMC, you know, change. I will say, though, I was on a 16 Pro Max. And even that on liquid glass was like, that was horrible battery life for that. but it's been a little bit worse than that so i'm ending a day with like with like 12 or so which at least you can get through yeah um but i was kind of expecting like really really good battery considering the tsmc change yeah i've bounced i've bounced back and forth between great battery and good battery okay i've had a day i had a day where i had over six hours of screen on time and like 18 left and i've had a day where i mean the earliest days i can't put as much stock into because the phone's still sort of like finding its footing but with this adaptive battery i think i've had a day where i had like five hours and it was about to die so good to great sometimes yeah um and then just in general like the software i really like it it's still a pixel that's still my good news thing i think my overall thesis with this review this is maybe the tldr since the review is a separate longer video yeah but the tldr is the pixel is still the pixel it's it's kind of a finished thought for now yeah like they're not doing any massive revamp of like oh we did massive camera sensors or really fast charging or anything they're not doing anything crazy yeah not changing anything massive it pixel is still a pixel it's still got the software it's still got a pretty good camera with a lot of ai stuff and they're trying to make the leap to the masses with this phone and this year that looked like jimmy fallon jonas brothers pixel snap to be mag safe like directly bringing in normal people who may probably already have an iphone and showing them all of the ways that it's easy to switch to this one and that's that's what's happening with the pixel and it's like okay i wish the tensor g5 was super powerful and like turned over a new leaf and suddenly has an awesome gpu but it's just not yeah and that's a bummer for people like me but yeah it's still fine have you used any of the new software features uh a bunch yeah okay uh did you get the email about how you need to like not be in the beta for google messages to be able to magic queue yeah yeah have you tried magic magic queue i've tried magic queue very mixed experience with that i've been prompt like prompting myself through text messages from another line like setting it up to work really well yeah and like seven times out of ten it kind of doesn't do much or it'll just give me like a link to open a different app where i can find the relevant information so i'll ask like when's your flight next week and it'll be like open the calendar right here instead of the prompt it's supposed to give me with the actual flight info yeah and then one or two times out of ten like we got it to actually work when you texted me you asked a very specific question about a flight that we knew we had next week yeah instead it answered by giving me my flight this week.

45:54So it had like the button there to like ready and autofill, but it was the wrong flight. That's almost worse. It's worse because when you press it, it doesn't autofill, it sends. It doesn't know you edit it. They should add long press to like, give a suggestion, tap to send, long press to like, just bring into your like messages box. Well, think about this too, because like flight numbers are the same every day. so if it says what was your if you say what was your flight number and it grabbed your flight from last week and you i mean you don't know whether or not that's your flight number unless you actually go check it in the thing so if you send the wrong flight number you're not going to know and then you give them wrong information and that's that's where these llms like have problems yeah we've seen multiple times it pulling like the wrong event from your calendar or like from your email like oh my haircut last week like what time did i get that and it'll pull it from a month ago yeah yeah if it was weird that it did it because next week seems pretty obvious especially because it's wednesday today and it pulled friday so like it should definitely know it's the following week right uh maybe if it was like a weekend it would be a little confused yeah yeah it also it doesn't send the flight number it just sends the date and the time that you're supposed to be flying okay which when i ask you about your flight i did say what time is your flight so maybe we could try what's your flight number this one that we got to work said when is your flight next week and the tap that I could immediately click on with Magic Q would send the time and date of my flight this week and no flight number.

47:27Can I see this for a second? It's just annoying because the thing says like 9-1-2025 and then says like where you're leaving from, where you're coming to. But when you press it, it only does the date and time. Yeah. Which would be nice to say where it was going. Like you can give a little more information. I'm not typing it. I will always give more information if I don't have to type it. It'd be great if it said flight number, like all sorts of different things. Cause Claire all the time will be like, Hey, can you just send me your flight number? Like, yeah. So I can see if it's on time. Yeah.

47:58So I can see if it's on time or just to make sure, like just in case anything were to happen. So if I could send her when we were leaving, where we were leaving, what like the whole flight card, I know it's pulling from that would make way more sense. Can you, I just texted you what's your flight number for your flight next week. Okay. See if it, my thing also is when I was typing this, I was like, is this how I would actually have a friend send it? So it gave you the actual flight number? It gave me my flight this week, but it gives me the flight number. And if I tap it, that's my flight number this week.

48:25And I'd have to edit it. Did it tell you that it's for this week? I recognize it as this week because of the destination in the magic cue card. Oh, okay. So I know that it's the wrong answer. Okay. But it does give me the cue to hit the flight. At least it gives you context and stuff. Yeah. I think this one over here is next week. So it's give me this week and next week. Real quick, can you say like, when is your trip next week? I want to see if it's going to associate. Just when? Yeah. Okay. When is your trip next week? Because I don't think, I was typing very specifically trying to trigger it.

48:59But do I think all the people, like when we talk about search engine, like our own type of like search engine type, now this is other people coming to you. So what does it say? Yeah, it's pulling from my Google Calendar, and it's viewing my calendar event of drive to the studio in the morning as my trip for next week, and it's just putting 8 a.m. tomorrow morning as my trip. This is a playoff of what Ellis said last week about none of this stuff works. In the perfect orb of Google land or open AI land where all of this AI stuff actually works, yeah, you can see the appeal. yeah the problem is none of it when it at least by the time it ships and usually for a couple of years later actually is like works reliably it's definitely not perfect yeah yeah i like your like their analogy is always it's your personal assistant you don't have to pay before if you had an assistant and said when is my trip next week and they said you're driving to the studio tomorrow morning yeah that would be like a horrible response yeah but i can see like a trajectory where in the future they can update this and tighten the strings and it will be a helpful assistance so that if someone's like when's your flight next week they can send me the flight time the flight number the flight destination just to make sure everything's working and then it all is super useful for me yeah my other question is will this be able to pull from multiple email addresses because if i don't put everything in my calendar i'm still getting flight stuff to my possibly work email versus google messages is logged into my personal email or hotel reservations might go to my work it's probably from all of your main gmail accounts magic queue is i mean i'm this is a setting in the phone so i assume it's gonna pull from every google account i'm saying to okay but it's i would hope so yeah yeah okay well have you tried um the conversational editing yeah that that bangs bangs it works nice it's really good yeah it's kind of shockingly good actually and my my question is is it going to do videos at some point because that would be probably that's probably next year yeah the conversational editing is literally just semantically parsing like the actions i'm asking for and just doing the edits for me in google photos i think this is going to be available for everyone at some point but as of right now on the pixel 10 i open up a photo i hit edit and i go like uh delete the car in the background and make the sky more blue and then And give it like five seconds.

51:29And then you just have a photo with the cars deleted in the sky more blue. And just did the edits for you. That might have taken some time if you had to do it manually. It's kind of the equivalent of now that the Tensor is so good at voice texting. It's like I want to voice text more because it almost texts at the speed of thought. So if you can do that for editing, especially if something you're just quickly editing on the phone, you might as well. That's a really good point. It's literally the best thing about Gemini Nano on the device and like Tensor and the tpu and everything is yeah voice texting yeah is incredible yeah on this phone yeah so if you're into that tensor upgrade for sure yeah that's pretty sick for sure yeah i don't know i think overall it just really feels like they finally like the the headline for the pixel has always been the iphone of android literally since the pixel one but it feels like they actually made their iphone now like everything is parody so more clearly than ever yeah i do want to spend a beat on the camera because we said we were going to get to this yeah i think the the wides so first of all triple cameras on the base phone is like the big deal with the cameras yeah the pros have bigger sensors but it's the same focal lengths for a wide and ultra wide and a telephoto the zooms i've taken have been a letdown yeah and i'm curious if you found the same thing because i it's a 5x optical which to me means everything between 1x and 5x is a little bit suboptimal then you get to 5x and it's good and then for me 5x to 10x is pretty good and then beyond that it tries at 30x to do this the pro res zoom thing and i was comparing it to just the iphone which is not that great of a zoom and i was comparing it to the s25 ultra which is a great zoom yeah and it was getting beat by both and i just felt like a watercolor softness to every zoom photo i was taking yeah and to be fair maybe you don't take that many zoom photos i just was i felt like the future was encouraging me to take more zoom photos so i was taking them but it was that part did let me down on the pixels yeah it definitely feels before yeah pixel and ultra zoom or some sort of mega zoom and it's not being great it definitely feels like google in particular like wants to flex their ai filling features so much that they don't care as much about the optics anymore for the actual you never really cared about the optics they just kind of struck gold with the older sensors and their processing and having like an early pixel that was like dominating.

53:52Had contrast. But it's not like they were winning because the sensor was amazing. They were winning because their image processing pipeline was Dodd tier. And then, you know, they did eventually upgrade the sensors and they're bigger sensors now, but they're not like winning. Their pipeline's about the same though. Exactly. They're not winning because their hardware is amazing. They're just still doing Google stuff with the camera. Yeah. So that's still true. Pixel's still Pixel. Yeah, I just, I was not super impressed with the cameras overall like this is just like a it's a this is a 5x zoom photo of this bird yeah and it's it's a bird it's pretty solid it's okay it's like there but you compare this to any chinese phone that's out right now and they blow it away by far yeah and this is a thousand dollar phone to be clear like i'm comparing it to iphone 16 pro another thousand dollar phone which doesn't have that much emphasis on zoom and it gets beat i'm comparing this to like chinese phones that are 900 to 1200 bucks that are are spanking it yeah in the zoom department so if you care about zoom i would say the pixel is going to be a letdown for you yeah uh but normal wides look really good yeah which is nice but like fine detail and bokeh you zoom you like you crop in at all and just falls apart the the bokeh in the background looks like really kind of gross and artificial and yeah i don't know it's funny that the pixel went from like the camera phone to now it is the smartest phone yeah but the camera is like an afterthought yeah it turned out it was the camera phone because it was the smartest yeah true yes it's kind of sneaky yes it turns out that's why yes so i mean that makes me feel better i ordered the regular 10 but like the biggest thing between the two one of them seems to be like the new sensors on like the telephoto and the ultra wide and if they're really not that great anyways then i think and you're okay with 60 hertz it's not 60 hertz isn't it it is 60 by default but there's a box to check to be it's like adaptive yeah it's not one-to-one sorry sorry sorry i'm an ltpo yeah i shouldn't um yeah and then i mean it's got a better selfie all it seems like all of that and what i didn't realize last time we talked is i thought the pro started at 256 it doesn't it's 999 at 128 yeah which i think is a travesty the pro XL starts at$256.

55:59Yes, which is, so I like bumped up to get$256. On the regular one? On the regular one. Here comes the price ladder. But it still would be a price ladder, even if you went regular$799,$256. But no, to get$256 Pro is$200 more than that. Yeah. Stupid. Wait, really? Well, because then it's$1099 to get. Oh my goodness. It's good. $999,$128,$1099,$256. Oh my goodness. So yeah. And also, lemongrass is the best color by a long shot. Please mute both of their microphones. Unreal. The hot take. I'm immediately getting the dbrand ghost case to keep so I can show lemongrass. You really got the lemongrass?

56:38Hell yeah, I'll show you right here. Oh my goodness. I do think the thing that we said for a couple years about the Pixel, which is the gap between the Pro and the regular phone is pretty small. It's so small now. really makes the regular phone feel like a good deal and the pro phone specifically when compared to the base yeah i feel like not that good of a deal the fact that this is now a 200 delta though instead of a 300 delta is a pretty big deal because back on the pixel 6 and pixel 7 the reason we were saying like you're not getting 300 it was 300 699 right the base yeah the base was such a good deal i'm happy about that like it's like one of the best deal phones out there yeah but it just made the pro seem like not a good deal you know what i mean yeah but even now today like okay what's the difference between the pixel 10 and a pixel 10 pro bigger sensors on all the cameras better selfie camera ltpo slightly brighter slightly higher res slightly smaller battery yeah yeah there's like there's a pro res zoom instead of yeah pro camera super zoom Pro camera features.

57:43Which you may use sometimes. Other than that. Pro models should be that. Pro models should be, there's one thing I really, really want that's better, so I'm going to go this. Most people in most situations should be buying base models. Yeah, and I think Google probably knows that because the phones that sell the most volume in the United States are really, really cheap phones. It's the iPhone, and then it's the Samsungs. And then after that, it's always been like Motorola and Alcatel or whatever. You know, it's like the pay as you go, like super cheap stuff. And so if Google is able to be like, hey, you can pay$20 less a month and it's basically what you need, then that's a really good model for them.

58:21So, yeah. Yeah. Speaking of phones, we're already moving on to Apple. Yep. Elite transition. There you go. Last talk about Pixel for the rest of the year. I'm sorry. I need to help clarifying something before we leave Pixel. Sure. why does Google call it lemongrass and everyone else calls it limoncello that's what their old yellow was and we were just all calling it limoncello before the official thing came out it's a more fun word to say you heard everyone in here talking about it I've been confused as heck I think limoncello is more is better yeah also that's the color that this actually is I mean it's not it's piss my man you don't need some more water but uh yeah if you're or doctor probably anyway pepperman over here um i'm not doing enough water runs out well okay so we'll we'll have the full pixel 10 review shortly yeah um but we are already moving on to iphones because apple has officially announced the iphone 17 launch event for the day we all knew it would be which is september 9th do we get to overanalyze the invitation now so apparently and i haven't done this yet and maybe we should just do this live if you go to the invite on safari any web browser it's if you just go to apple.com okay so if you what we're seeing right now is the invite is called it just says apple event and it's got this liquid glass iphone above it with sort of this rainbow almost siri-esque thing on it i would call it like heat map it's like it's like thermal imaging yeah apple logo Oh, yeah.

59:57And like, it's a heat map. Someone's never seen a thermal camera before, and it shows. Yes, I have. I thought you were the camera boy. Yes, I have. Yeah, specifically heat map also, because when you move your mouse around it, it shows the like red, like it's heated up. Do we want to analyze that? I don't know what that is. It means that it gets really hot. All we know is it's awedropping. That's the tag phrase. Sometimes it's really obvious, but awe-dropping and the heat map. Awe-dropping is very generic. I don't know what to make of awe-dropping, to be honest. I think it just means amazing. Yeah, it's like a generic, like, oh, it's going to be good, jaw-dropping.

1:00:36Yeah, awe-dropping is not a phrase. This might want inspiring and jaw-dropping combined. Do you think? It's just jaw-dropping, but not. Awe-inspiring and jaw-dropping combined into one. Do you think this would be the best iPhone they've ever released? No. According to Apple, yes. That's what they want. that's where they want us to be. I did hear it's going to have all day battery life though. Dude, all day? Yeah, because there won't be a mini version. That's crazy. I think someone has at some point compiled all of the previous Apple events and then what the major announcement turned out to be and how it's connected to the teaser.

1:01:10I'm very curious how this heat map is going to translate to whatever we see at this September event. This is a live heat map of the 17 Air. What if it has a temperature sensor? A thermometer? Like the pixel? Wait, does the Pixel still have it? It does, but only on the Pro. I literally forgot about it. The funny thing about it is we all missed in the leaks when we were wondering if it was the base or the Pro. None of us here clocked the temperature sensor on the back of it and it was the Pro. We got torn apart for that one. That's how much we remember. There's a temperature sensor, but it's built into the combo antenna frame of the phone.

1:01:46And so to use it on food, you need to fully insert your phone into the meat. ip68 baby that would be wild yeah yeah i really don't know what to make of the temperature is it let me look at the comments i tweeted this invitation nobody really said anything about i tried to i read a few articles and there's very few almost all of the ones previously were like this and this are the teasers this is obviously what they mean and i just didn't see that i could have missed it but people are saying thermal camera that is the most useless thing anyone could put on your phone i don't understand yeah well literally what would be the value of that Really cool looking photos.

1:02:22You could pretend to be Brock Hampton. You could see a potential gas leak in your house with your iPhone. Oh, that's a good call. That's a perfect FOMO. That's a good call. Could you do that with a thermal camera? Remember the cat phones had this? Thermal camera? The caterpillar phones? Yeah, or you could buy a FLIR camera and look at infrared and see things that were hotter with the heat signatures. Yeah. There are types of thermal cameras that can do it. Oh, the vapor chamber roomers. whatever yeah so the phone oh because i don't think previous iphones had vapor chamber cooling so the new one was going to have vapor chambers i stole this idea from mac rumors i'm not that smart oh did you look up what people think it is i googled apple event heat map thermal i'm gonna ask chad gpt i'm gonna feed it a picture of the invite and ask it what it thinks the hidden feature is going to be.

1:03:22I'll report back. I like that. Yeah, anyway, we are expected, obviously, to see the new pros that look like pixels. It all comes around, you know? Google tries to be like Apple. Apple tries to be like Google. Now we are at the singularity. And we are obviously supposed to see the iPhone 17 Air as well, which someone had asked me, do you think that they are making the Air just sort of as a way of prepping for the foldable iPhone. I see stuff like that also, and I don't make the connection. I mean, I could see, like, they needed to engineer a lot of thinner parts, and so they have gotten to that point, but they're still working on the foldable, so they're like, well, we might as well make use of this.

1:04:04I guess the funny thing, have we confirmed the error? I guess it has to be thinner, right? Oh, yeah. It's the whole thing. I mean, the camera's totally different. It'll have all-day battery. Okay, JetGPT has done an interesting job here. jaw dropping design awe dropping is basically talking about the air is going to have this jaw dropping super thin design 5.5mm thinnest iPhone ever it drops your jaw that's what they're saying and then the color palette they're saying because the heat signatures are kind of between blue and orange those are the two new colors of the iPhone Pro the blue and the orange remember we've seen the teasers?

1:04:41and plus liquid glass but that doesn't help when it goes to red on the heat map yeah can you follow up with it and say so why does it turn red when I drag my mouse around it I think it's not seeing the animation of that I also don't get how jaw dropping means iPhone Air because it's going to be so thin they're going to make a big deal about how thin it is they should have called it jaw inspiring jaw inspiring inspired by your jaw oh man is that our title for the Apple episode jaw inspiring which by the way we are going to be doing a podcast at apple park about this we will be out there this year are we publicly announcing that right now well yeah it won't be a live like thing yeah we will our goal is to do a podcast out there at some point well no we're gonna say guys let's put some enthusiasm on it come on we haven't locked down the details live from apple not live taped from apple campus after the event definitely stay tuned next week's episode is gonna to be awesome or whatever two weeks from now that's awesome but uh yeah chat gpt says it's coded uh vapor chamber iphone 17 pro so who cares about that yeah does anyone care about that david you've been talking about how hot your iphone is for the past six episodes yeah because liquid glass oh that's one of those things that's one of those things apple does they will come out with a new software feature that ends up being way better on the newer phones and so even though you have the software feature on your current phone you still want to upgrade because that vapor chamber is going to make my liquid glass run all day are you saying the iphone 17 is built for liquid glass yes they will yes that's exactly what they're going to do for liquid glass and it's going to have all day battery life again you know what they're going to say they're going to say liquid glass uses this many rendering engines and it can get quite hot because it's marveling the beauty of the liquid glass.

1:06:37But with iPhone 17 Pro, we've built this specifically for liquid glass. I would even bet that there will be special liquid glass animations that are enabled by the vapor chamber on the 17 Pros. Damn. That's a lot of processing to not be able to read things on your own page. Yeah, super, super niche possible bet that I'm willing to make. Marketing. If you lose, you have to buy a Hasselblad. I am honestly excited for vapor chamber cooling, not because I use liquid glass or want to, but every time we go outside to shoot an autofocus video and we have something connected to the USB-C port, you notice how the brightness on the screen just drops to like 2 % because it's cooking after like 10 minutes of usage.

1:07:21So I actually, this does actually have real world application for me. That's actually very fair. And, you know, if we want to talk about like the quote pro iPhone and how people use it for their job. We use these phones to shoot videos, and one of the most common issues with it is they overheat after a while, and this would make it easier to shoot for a long time in hot places. It's more surprising that they didn't have it before because every other smartphone has had some sort of insane cooling solution. And then they can talk about gaming performance and stuff. Yeah. Who are you down with? Who?

1:07:57Other phones? Yeah. Red Magic? this is the first time also that you could be talking about the new iphone with your buds and if your mom found your phone she would think you were talking about drugs like like your mom finding your a text message on your phone that's like oh man like i was so excited to hit to use all this liquid glass but my vapor chamber hasn't come in yet my vape chamber my vape chain yeah it's like that sorry i won't bring that up yeah no adam's gonna cut that anyway yeah no it's funny yeah but not to adam well one more quick one more quick iphone related headline before we take a quick break which is i don't know if you guys saw this there's a uh bloomberg i guess it's a rumor because it's not really also not though we'll bring it up first and then we'll yeah so allegedly apple is in discussion with google about using gemini to power this revamped siri so as we know apple's been working on this revamped Siri powered by LLMs for a while still not out one year is it over a year well the next event will be one year because the iPhone 17 was built for Apple intelligence right so it's been a year since then but even dub dub sorry yeah yeah dub dub was when they announced it so it's been over a year since they showed it yeah and we still don't have this new Siri right so yeah we're all kind of wondering when it's going to come out how hard could this be what are their holdups what is the progress they're making they're not going to tell us any of this But this conversation of like, maybe we'll work with Google and then Gemini will power it is it kind of reads like an April Fool's Day headline.

1:09:30Like, really? We're going to ask Siri and Siri is going to just do more Google stuff. What like how the whole Apple and Siri thing and being focused on privacy seems like it does not compute with working with Google. I don't know. They're floundering for sure. I've heard from multiple people inside of Apple that like people are getting moved around different teams that were working on certain teams. They are all getting moved to like the Siri team and they're just racing to do. There's been all these leaks and rumors that they're thinking about buying Anthropic and I think you're doing this. And like that's all recent, which means that like.

1:10:04Which means they're not going to. They're not done. They're not. They're not close. And it's how did they announce this a year and a half ago when they were this far behind? Yeah. Well, I don't think they knew they were this far behind. But yeah. Now they do. Well, so if you'll remember, there was this special, like if you were at the event, they had this like kind of sit down thing with iJustine last year where she asked them some questions. And they said that she said, like, are you exclusively working with OpenAI about, you know, using these LLMs? And they said, oh, no, we're like looking into working with Gemini as well.

1:10:39So they clearly already had said publicly that they were going to have an option eventually to. it was like the or like the chat gpt yeah do you want to ask chat gpt they said eventually we're going to be able to do you want to ask gemini instead but now i mean it seems like they need to use it for more than just that yeah yeah that and that's there's a whole bunch of questions about like how if you work at apple you probably think about this like how do you see the future of of people talking to llms will they be actively switching between models consciously or should there just be your model and your model can do everything for them i know when i'm in raycast i can switch between gemini and you know chat gpt for different things because i know one does something better than the other but yeah we want regular people doing that i don't know but that's also the model that like goes to the internet and tries to fetch information whereas the the siri model was supposed to be the model that controls the phone that knows what you mean when you say hey what time is my uber going to get here so it can reach inside of uber and tell you that information that local model it's like gemini nano it should be able to like should run on device run on right quickly so is like siri ai just gonna use gemini nano which would be really funny but it's like if apple's not a really really heavy ai first company maybe they're having too much trouble shrinking their model to be totally on device to do that type of stuff maybe they actually do need that type of help yeah who pays who in this scenario in this one because it's not going to be coded and say it's gemini i assume it's probably apple paying google yeah yeah but yeah i guess if google knows it gets all of the uh data they will they can't i don't think they can either but i think it'll be a model it won't that data won't go anywhere yeah it'll be like apple buys this technology from google or something yeah they get to use it and run it locally yeah i think uh another interesting little tidbit of this whole saga for apple has been the papers they've been publishing because they run a machine learning lab um let me make sure i get this title right uh the big paper that made the big splash was from june of this year called the illusion of thinking that was comparing llm and lrms uh at ability to solve different complexities of tasks large language and large reasoning right yeah yeah larger language model and large reasoning model.

1:13:06And it's pretty critical. It's pretty like we are, you know, these things are not as powerful as we want them to be. They put out a paper last week that was kind of interesting that I only skimmed. Yeah, me too. I summarized it with ChatGPT. It's called the super weight in large language models. And it's about how with LLM specifically, you can severely alter the outcomes by changing only a few weights. Like even if there's millions of different parameters in their models, you can change like five or six weights and like have it give a completely different answer anyway this is all to say to me when it's like they're like pushing and pushing us back it feels like because apple has slightly different standards for what like a working product is than the rest of the tech industry they themselves are starting to realize like oh we're not we're not ready it's also one of those things where all of these ai companies have a lot to gain by being misleading and Apple has a lot to gain by not being misleading, but they also have a lot to lose.

1:14:06Because they're not ready. They don't have this stuff ready. They never wanted to do this heavy LLM stuff. They got forced to do it because the stock market. There's going to be incentive on both sides to be either positive or negative about the state of this technology, but Apple doesn't have a lot to gain on hyping up the technology, especially because of how behind they are. Well, and it's like their stock price will not be affected by people speculating how good New Siri is going to be. You know what I mean? Whereas most of these other players are. Well, they'll get to use the term AI, which is great for stock prices.

1:14:42It is for great stock prices. But to me, I've always understood. And now we're getting into investment talk. This is not investment advice. It's like so much of these other publicly traded AI companies, like they don't have sales or like assets or like actual revenue that would support their stock price. Like their stock price is supported by this speculative idea that they will have the dominant AI in whatever weird future we enter. Whereas Apple makes the iPhone. Like they're going to be fine. You know, their stock price is not as dependent on this idea that one day every single piece of reasoning and humanity will be done by Gemini or ChatGPT or whatever meta is cooking up.

1:15:25But I do think investors look at this and they say like, oh, if Apple falls behind on this thing that the tech bros say is going to be the next coming of God, then Google is really forward in the next coming of God. Then like, well, people stop buying iPhones and therefore their stock goes down because they don't make as much revenue. ABC. It's a bunch of ifs. Yeah, it's a bunch of ifs. They're looking 30 years in the future. They're trying to predict the next boom. They're all just gambling. That's true. Also true. But we should all read the superweight and large language models. It's pretty cool.

1:15:55If you're curious. If you're curious. Maybe I'll just have chat you guys somewhere. Do you know what I'm curious about? What the trivia questions are? Oh! Ayo! Ayo. Guys, after the break, we're going to talk YouTube features, because we recently got access. Or on the last episode of the podcast, people were hyping us up. And that's the first time we've ever seen that in action. So naturally, I had to write a question about old YouTube features that no longer exist. So this is coming in Price is Right rules. But it's a year question. So if you go past the year, later than the year, that's the over.

1:16:39The higher year is over? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, guys, in what year did YouTube remove all existing annotations from videos that were already on the platform? A few years before that, they got rid of the ability to add new annotations. Yeah. But in what year did they say, oh, yeah, you're pointing to this part of the screen? It means nothing anymore. Annotations were a super common feature. Annotations were the perfect example of this is why we can't have nice things. Yeah, because people abused it. I will say there were channels that used it very gracefully. I think a mystery guitar man might have even done like a choose your own adventure.

1:17:18I remember that video where like click on this part of the video and it'll take you to an unlisted video and then click on this annotation and you're like moving through unlisted videos through annotations. Even just getting to like fix a mistake where like maybe you just said something wrong and if you could throw a text annotation, but we can't do that because people have to make full screen invisible annotations where you clicked it and it went to like a malicious website instead. Oh my gosh. Yeah. This is one of the biggest difficulties with making YouTube videos. It's like on a website, you can make a correction and you can say, correct it at this moment.

1:17:48This is what we originally said. This is what we're saying now. You can't do that with video. I think they should be able to bring back just plain text annotation. I agree. Like there is a video editor on YouTube and you can do things like blur stuff and you can make critical cuts from a video. I think you should be able to do YouTube. If you're listening, you should be able to do plain text, non-linked annotations on a YouTube video. Every journalist on the platform and everyone who's ever made a typo in a video would love that ability. Yeah. And there's no way it would be abused. Imagine it works like the blurring feature where slowly over time the blur just starts twitching and growing into different parts of the video.

1:18:25That's also possible. Okay. We'll think about that one though. Annotations. Good trivia question. If I was president, my first law would be mystery guitar man is the only person in the United States who's allowed to wear sunglasses indoors. I think he earned it and everyone else is just jocking his swag. Casey's right behind him and then it's. Sorry, Casey. I would finally be able to see Anna Wintour's eyes. Yeah. No, not Pitbull. Just mystery guitar man. Sorry, Pitbull. Sorry, Pitbull. L's for president. 2028. We'll be right back.

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1:21:06The first one was incredibly popular. It's a Metroidvania style game. It was six years since the announcement of Silksong. Since the announcement. Hollow Knight came out in 2017. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Metroidvania style, which basically is just, it's like a non-linear side-scrolling type of game. It's a mix between Metroid and Castlevania, is what that means. Anyways, it is the most wishlisted game on scene in that last six years. And I think the last time we saw a teaser for it was in 2022. But anyways, they just announced their launch date. But because of how popular this game is, dozens of other indie games have straight up just been like, we're postponing our launch.

1:21:49And in every single one that I've read so far, they are also postponing their launch, just straight up saying because silksong is coming out we're delaying this like half of them said i can't wait to play silksong but we're delaying our game because this is so big and we don't want to so it reminds me of like you said the one plus event yeah that announced and then was the same day as the one plus six event got announced and then like two weeks beforehand apple was like iphone event this day and oneplus was like oh god so they moved it for like they moved it to be two weeks after the apple event because yeah you can't do that but now imagine in our world though google or whatever changes their event and straight up just goes because the apple event yeah right like don't make up an excuse or anything people also do this with taylor swift artists when they know she's dropping they're like sure they do you got it fam that's all you and it makes sense in the indie game world because like a lot of these developers are really small teams and like it's kind of make or break if they're if it does well so like yeah delay it a month give yourself the best chance possible yeah i understand i read a very long kind of retrospective on this whole situation and i apologize if i get some small facts incorrect but i believe effectively what it was was that hollow knight was like unbelievably popular they announced silksong as like it was supposed to be a dlc to hollow knight oh really so it wasn't going to cut it was only going to take a little bit of time to develop but they ended up enjoying the development process so much and like it was going to be a new character with some new areas but then they were like wait this new character we could do so much with this so like okay we're going to turn into a game and then years went by and randomly at different games events like gamescom and like the switch all this stuff they would like they would show a little teaser or they'd let you play like five minutes of it and then they would just go dark again for like two to two and a half years and now uh literally like a few days ago they officially put out they had a little event where they just like put out some gameplay and they put out the release date um september september 4th and someone did a interview with the developers and were like what's the inside story like why did this get delayed so many times like why is it taking so long and they were just like it was really fun to make like we just really wanted to we wanted to add like way more content and we just kept realizing that it was like not gonna happen if we released it so early so we just kept doing it that's and in the words of Gabe Newell uh bad is forever delayed is temporary so that's true that's the apple philosophy with the new siri well they well sure I don't know this isn't a type of game that I would play but it does look beautiful and it looks really complicated but in one of those ways where like it's so complicated when you know how complicated and know how to work the controls it looks super fun yeah it's like it's like a low skill floor extremely high skill ceiling kind of game is that what being a dad is like low skill floor extremely high ceiling I think there's a I think there's a high skill floor I don't know I hit the ceiling immediately so I wouldn't know you gotta break through that ceiling Andrew um anyways that's I won't say anything else about that because we'll probably get some small information wrong and look like uh uh posers well we are posers we are we don't say video games we're not we're just yeah my comp is it feels like daft punk album i know they're not making any new albums but when they went a decade between making albums it was kind of like i don't know what's taking so long and then you see the behind the scenes you're like oh that's what took so long yeah but it's once a decade that's true that's right that's my streetlight manifesto album they went 12 years without an album they announced it they announced a specific release date six days before the release date they're like nope give me some more now it's coming out in the fall yeah and i'm waiting wait it's still not out yet no i thought you went and saw them i have seen them six times this year and and yeah they released three early demos of three tracks okay on youtube so they can delete them later but the new album is coming out hopefully in september or october it might have gotten delayed because Hollow Knight Silk Song is coming out in September.

1:26:01That's true. They're like, people can't listen to things and play things at the same time. Some GTA 6. All right, one more quick thing. YouTube hype is launched. Ellis alluded to this earlier. We talked about this about a year ago, I think it was, is when it got announced. But it's out. Super quick TLDR of how this works and how I've been testing it and seeing what happens is YouTube released a new feature called hyping a video. and essentially what it does is for channels that are between 500 and 500 ,000 subscribers you can basically do something that's like a super like if you want to call it that people are hyping waveform yes we're still not at 500 we are not at 500 yeah we're at 475 so they can hype us it's the only mkbht channel that can get i guess clips also but um actually clips clips has more yeah i think it does yeah but um so what it does is it's supposed to help boost videos of smaller creators better so helping get into like the recommended feed and there's also a new hype tab since we lost trending there now the hype tab so it's basically like mini trending i guess but user generated now instead of um youtube generated okay and really quick with the way you do it is it's I think it's really hard to find for one if you're on mobile and you go into the app when you scroll under your video where the comment section is if you swipe the comments to the left which I never knew you could do there's the hype button it will also pop up if you click the like button and then it will auto swap to show the hyping you can do it three times a week when you do that the video gets points I don't know how points really I guess the only way is it looks points and then in the leaderboard in the hype page then those points are you know how you get to the top tallied up um it is different because if you hype a video with less subscribers in that range they will get more points so when i tested it hyping waveform got gave it 50 points i hyped a video from a channel that had like 13 000 subscribers and it got like 1200 points oh wow apparently you can get up to 7 500 points in one hype for like a 500 sub channel but obviously you know 400 ,000 people hyping 50 points on a video is gonna you know that's how to counteract it right right right that makes sense um and yeah videos need to be less than seven days old um you can get a badge if you are the biggest hyper of the month hype beast yeah if you're the hype beast of the it's monthly based um and you can hype the same video all three times that's what I saw interesting we'll see how much this helps I'm all for helping smaller creators like Waveform yeah Waveform small creators this is how I found out we didn't have 500 ,000 subscribers we're almost there actually our views are killer for our subscriber count but if you want to hype us that's cool but probably go hype some smaller channels they could use it way more you can also pay for hypes apparently you can just type in how many points you want to give them and it'll give you how much you want to pay or something it all seems very organic until this moment well yeah but youtube would love for you to game it because at best you might get in recommended and yeah either way you pay google money so why wouldn't they love this um it probably instead of buying hype see if that channel has like a patreon or a donation page because that would help them way more probably and most of the money goes yeah exactly yeah true but yeah that's the uh hype feature okay who are you guys gonna hype this week waveform i'm hyping us i'm definitely hyping us i like that then i'll be a hype beast hey well speaking of youtube features there's only one more place to go on the waveform podcast this week and that's trivia guys question number one Hasselblad cameras were founded in Gothenburg Sweden I spelled Sweden wrong in the sheet that's really funny that's how do I even do that Gothenburg Sweden in 1841 what is the farthest away place from Gothenburg that a Hasselblad camera has ever taken a picture and I'll give you a hint our studio no head this is no hint I feel like his hint was gonna be it's not the video all writing down right now you do if you want give me this is not a geography question

1:30:45dang it that's a really good hint that's a great fantastic can't else yeah That's okay. I'm glad. Is that what you wrote originally? Oh, you just screwed David real hard. Because I know, did you write Antarctica? I wrote Antarctica, yeah. You guys both wrote Antarctica and then changed it. I'm sorry, David. Thanks, though. It's the rising blue, the blue marble on the moon. The answer is the moon. Damn it, I thought that question was really good. No, it's okay. And then I sold it out. It's okay. Stupid. It's all right. Can I borrow your red pen? This green one is just very hard to read. I knew it.

1:31:22Yeah. Okay. Guys, question number two. Price is right rules, but with time instead of money. And money and time, you know, money is time is money and money is time is right. I'm so hungry. Guys, YouTube hype. No, YouTube hype we talked about. The quiz question is about YouTube annotations. I'm specifically wondering in what year did YouTube wipe annotations off of every video that had ever been uploaded? I can't believe I ruined my own stupid question stupid it I should have it's okay I thought the question originally was going to be like what's the farthest away a Hasselblad's ever been like built and I thought it was going to be like zero miles they've only ever been built in wherever Sweden also in the waveform trivia doc Adam said with my with my moon question he goes lol nice good wording and then i just responded i love you now you can respond i screwed it up i sold all right what do we got all right oh oh marquez and i are the same person all right so marquez and david you both put 2015 all right which is not over however andrew you put 18 which is not right either but it's still under, which means...

1:32:44I was going to write 2020. That would have been over. Okay, I was close. I took my second job. The answer is January of 2019. Wow. I remember there was still some when I worked here, so I went off of that. Oh, that's good. Wow. Yeah, I was thinking by the time I left college, they must have got rid of it, but I guess not. I was thinking by the time Marquez left college, they must have got rid of it. It was by the time I was about to leave college, basically. Huh. All right, you know what that means. with our score update. Marquez in second place. Carrying the... With two points. Oh. David also in second place with two points.

1:33:22Oh, alright. Not bad. And Andrew carrying the one in first place with three points. S***. No. Hey. You made us cut it when I said that. I'm cutting that. No, that's That's getting bleeped. Don't worry. Guys, Waveform is produced by Adam Molina, Ellis Robin, and today, Miles Somerville, who we never really addressed being here. No, we did. After not addressing him. Yeah, whatever. I like it better that way. Waveform is also part of the Vox Media Podcast Network, and our intro outro music is made by Vane... Syl? I like the person honking in the background. Syl. Vane, honk, honk, Syl. Honk, honk.

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