Why Are Some iPhones Turning Pink?

32:47A roadblock that I ran into yesterday is that my brain is not wired to talk to the browser naturally. It's wired in SEO. So I like searched the name of a restaurant near me. It was like D &D Greenpoint or whatever. But the problem, the thing about Atlas is that the search bar, the default search bar page is just chat GPT. So if you search it in SEO language that's not natural language, it doesn't know what to do with that. And now we're facing the opposite problem that we used to have when the boomers didn't know how to Google things. Yeah, I've done that a lot. And ChatTBT has a search function built in, but it's not quite just like Googling something.

33:29So often I'll just command T and just type three words because I'm just trying to Google something real quick and find a link. and when you do that in these browsers it tries to do a search in the LLM for it it just doesn't use it. It's not useful. It's not good. So I'm rewiring a little bit too. The one really useful feature that I see from this is that you can ask it to pull up a tab that you don't remember what the website was just based on what it was. So you can say can you pull up that page that I was looking at last week that had this on it and it will try to find through your search history and use the contextual information for your search history to bring that back up useful that is probably the most useful thing that just built that into arc dude okay wait i have three three really quick things okay one god i love firefox and i'm so glad i don't have to do what you morons are doing next you don't think firefox is next two coming for you is it not funny that both of you somehow have turned into a arc on the left dia on the right and that the company makes both of them probably should have just thought about making them one singular thing yeah three the biggest winner of all of this is that same company who's just making what this open ai thing was they're selling to a company who that is pretty funny bought it for what 700 million it was 610 million the browser company was acquired yeah right before all no actually it gets better the acquisition uh-huh went through yesterday which is the same day that chat gbt atlas probably just the thing that they just bought and perplexity comet just went public like like massive like it was invite only or whatever and that also dropped yesterday and also um claude released a desktop app web desktop app which they have a cool feature that if you double tap the caps lock button it turns on the voice input mode oh yeah that's interesting i want for everything.

35:26I like that idea. So it kind of just feel, yeah, Atlas, ChatGPT, Atlas, but by the way, horrible name, but really good branding idea. Really good branding. Because normies know ChatGPT, they would not just know Atlas, they would not know AtlasGPT. Really good branding, even though it's horrible branding, it's also good branding. Good logo, too. It looks like the Telegram icon. I thought ChatGPT was terrible branding, but here we are. Everyone knows it, everyone loves it. It is terrible branding, but it's so popular. It's somehow broke through. The signal end. It looks like the telegram. It does look like the co-pilot.

35:58Look, it feels to me like this was a bit rushed. You know? I think they've been working on this for a very long time. The reports of them building a browser have been going on for like 11 months or so is when these reports first dropped. But it still feels like they rushed this out because it doesn't have that many features. Like, it's just Dia with like a couple extra little things. and then it tries to focus a lot on the agentic mode which you still can't really convince me that anyone finds super useful there's like a tiny extremely vocal minority that loves the agentic part but they are like at the bleeding edge yeah it's most most people don't yeah it's a cool idea but i don't know i think that they were just worried that if anthropic came out with like a clod browser quicker or if it's really probably chrome that they're all scared of um yeah so it's gonna be interesting i'm wondering how much market share this gains like they have such insane brand awareness and if they were to put this in chat gpt and say download the chat gpt browser i think this would pop off pretty quick i've been alert trying to learn a lot of new things in the past few weeks i'm trying to teach myself blender i'm trying to finally get my python scripting together trying to like incorporate all these new skills in my life lately and so i've been spending a lot of time on the internet like learning these things right crazy and um i and i i know i sound like a broken record i know i say this once a week and i'm sorry for everyone that's tired of hearing me saying it but i just cannot overstate how much google ruined their own product with ai overview because i'm googling things so much to like learn these things yeah 100 of the time the ai overview is wrong at this point like i never ever ever get anything useful and lately it's been so far away from being right like i don't know if mine is just poisoned by my search history or something but like like it's getting to the point where like if i need to google like as like a practice thing i've been building this like weather app that pulls weather data from an api talking my language it's like constantly getting fahrenheit and celsius mixed stuff like i'll be like what's wrong with this code and it'll be like huh it'll be like well clearly it's a hundred and it's a hundred degrees celsius today and it's just like what are you what are you talking about like anyway this is all to say i someone who doesn't normally reach for ai tools have literally just stopped googling stuff like and just go straight to claude because i just it's so i waste so much time forgetting that the first thing i see is the ai overview And I think we need to give Google credit for creating the need for AI browsers by literally ruining their own product so hard.

38:41And again, I know I say this every week, but I just think I've never seen a company release something so bad in my entire life as AI overview. Have you heard of Humane? This is so much worse than the Humane Pin. It's so much worse. HP, Humane Pin. Yeah. You know, what's funny about that is that Google used to be good, right? Yeah. Back in the day. Okay. It was good. Like last year. It was better. Yes, it was better. Over time, as they realized that they needed to make more and more ad dollars because of a shitification, it just got more and more and more bloated with like worse results, sponsored posts, all these ads, all this stuff.

39:26right now uh in the you know llm era we are in this nice little perfect little box where you can talk to it and there's no ads and it just gives you the clean information it's probably wrong but it gives you the clean information we will get to the point where it is just google but in natural language but it will it would also be just as bad because it's going to have sponsored results it's going to have ads everywhere it's going to get worse just remember that when you're going to sleep. I would even take ads if it meant that it was right 10 % more time of the time. Like 100 % of the time I take a coding answer from AI Overview, it's wrong.

40:09100 % of the time it has anything to do with actual information. It is wrong. Can you not turn that off? No, you can't turn off AI Overview. You can press a button every single time you go to Google and use the web. Or you can download a Chrome extension that blocks it from showing like there's a bunch of ways i don't use chrome so maybe that's why maybe if i used chrome chrome yum i use safari oh webkit the best browser um speaking really quickly this is a slightly off topic i just want to say really quickly i was on amazon yesterday bought a product it said people also bought and it listed three products two of the three products it said sponsored.

40:48So people didn't bought. Yeah, they bought that spot to put their product in. You can't say people also bought and then say, we're just shoving these. I was like, what? There are no rules on Amazon. Yeah, that's fair. Shovelware. Let's do one more. Because we can go 5, 3, 2. I've also never said thank you to Sam Altman before. I never will. Because I don't normally have a reason to. But thank you for dropping that on a Tuesday. So that we can actually talk about it. Okay. Liquid ass tint iOS 26. This is a beta feature. Yes. So this is very funny. And I destroyed my phone for this, so you guys better be grateful.

41:35But in iOS beta 26.1, developer beta 4, they have added an option to tint the liquid glass. And it's not even buried in accessibility settings. This is a mainline setting. Mainline. Display setting. Display. Liquid glass tint. Liquid glass tint. So there's clear, which is what we've always had. The deep, well, it's not what we always had because what we had before was even more clear. Yeah. This is slightly more opaque. Now we have a tinted mode, which is almost completely back to iOS. It's just flat frosted. 18 or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, it's, there is a, there's like a 5 % opacity. It's white at 90 % opacity, like 90 % total opacity.

42:19Yeah, yeah. You can barely see a little bit from behind. There is a little bit. So I'm sticking with clear for now because I sort of like the effects. My question is, is this for accessibility and the people who are complaining about not being able to read? Or is it for the battery life because I know that they were having trouble with like the occlusion and the rendering? It's a good question, actually. But I, and I'm also wondering when you set up a new iPhone, once they actually ship this, will it ask you if you want clear or tinted when you set up the phone? That I think, that's really interesting.

42:51That's going to be an interesting user flow. That should be a question you get asked in the setup process. I agree, but I don't think they will do that. I also agree with that. It's just funny because if they're giving you the option to use tinted, I mean, I'm glad to have more options. Don't get me wrong, right? Yeah. but they're just basic their whole shazam at that show was like wow this is our new thing you know and now they're just like i kind of wonder if that's a battery thing i i would i hadn't considered that until you said that but you know the the glass and all the rendering all the effects and everything having a pretty serious effect on battery life maybe on especially older phones with smaller batteries if this is going to someone should do the the test i think it was pretty much confirmed that that was like that this will really causing the well no not changing this but previously in the first liquid glass beta, you guys were getting batteries tanked.

43:42Which I believe, but it was just harder to attribute it to specifically just this effect because the beta had so many new things. Now that it's one toggle and I can go full-on liquid glass everywhere, or I'm trying to say... I'm sorry. Now that it's just one toggle, someone should have two phones, one has it toggled clear, one has it toggled tinted, and see what sort of a difference. That's a free short idea for someone to make. how much of a difference does this make to battery my conspiracy theory here's why i don't do that i'll actually tell you why i don't do most uh benchmark battery tests because i don't believe that i mean they're decently useful but i don't believe any of them will inherently be able to tell me what my battery experience will be like yeah i can look at like obviously i have a pretty good sense now from using phones for a long time for a couple of days like this is going really well, this is going really poorly, how good is the battery?

44:34But certain chips and certain softwares and certain OSs, they all handle things so differently. If you just do video playback, your winner will be the one that optimizes the best for video playback. If you just do benchmarking until the phone dies, yours will be the one that draws the least power at max load. If you just do using a phone regularly, I've noticed a lot of OnePlus phones that even though they don't have the best battery, they're very aggressive with killing background tasks, so they don't have the biggest batteries but they last forever because they're constantly killing background tasks i don't see any single battery benchmark that can account for all of my usage of a phone so i don't do battery benchmarks yeah but someone should do this one for this one but it's not gonna be me yeah you can do that now if you want that was sort of a big deal liquid glass you can also do it on mac which is interesting that's what i'm excited for oh is that i'm glad they had it yeah i kind of like the clearness on the mac though yeah me too although i don't like the top bar being clear now i love it you don't like that not as much change your wallpaper change your life well i do but look at the look at this top bit of my wallpaper how it like cuts through the text before it was obscured anyway i'm realizing i need to upgrade my operating system looking at both of you guys get on tahoe no you don't need to get on tahoe it's not actually that bit different but okay anyway we should take a quick break we got a bunch more headlines in this hat that we should get to but before we get to that trivia time

46:04guys coming up we have a story about this week's last week's this week's i don't remember when it was one of the aws outage oh yeah that was last week so today's week first this week oh sunday night so is this week that was this week yeah this week fun fact sometimes when i am walking through lower Manhattan and I walk by a pickleball court that has people between the ages of 28 and 38 playing pickleball on it that exists I will look at my you sure it's not 28 no no no uh and they look techie I will look at my phone and just say really loudly oh my god AWS is down they will always stop playing pickleball and freak out um works every time so good um but guys in related today's question i lied it's actually not about aws or my story it is about spider-man what is the name of the alien species referenced by andrew when he compared marquez's de-branded patina to venom from spider-man 3 oh there's an actual name what is the name of the alien species that Venom is a part of.

47:13And I will accept the common name or the deep nerd name. And if you can get both, I guess that's two points. Do you even know what it is? I don't watch kids' movies. He said it, not me. At Andrew Manganelli. Quality rage bait. We're going to get plenty of comments. Well played. Well, I definitely don't know the answer, but we'll see if maybe David knows it at the end. Well, I guess you didn't see the wild robot then. David, no! We'll be right back.

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49:31I was very impressed by it. What I wasn't impressed by was the aws outage that took out much of the internet this week called it let's go that was fun how long did that last it was like almost a full day wow it was the evening of sunday into like monday afternoon i remember the next morning listening to like the npr morning news or whatever where they just kind of talk about the biggest stories and they were like all a bunch of sites were down yesterday with aws and it made us really think about how many sites depend on aws i was like don't we have this conversation every six months when aws goes down for three hours we all go wow well the irony was that youtube had gone down like two days that's what i was remembering i was trying i was like yeah i don't remember here's a funny thing i noticed the youtube outage way more than aws outage because i was trying to watch i was actively about to watch youtube stuff and it didn't work the aws stuff took down here's what i did notice when i woke up my eight sleep showed that i had slept for three hours and i was like that's kind of weird it's missing the first half of my sleep.

50:33And then I log on and it says AWS outage has kept people's smart beds from being able to recline or decline. That's the best part about it. The decline. Because there is a version of this bed that has like a motor thing that like inclines and declines. And obviously it can heat or cool. And if it's not working, if AWS is out, the app doesn't work. And so people had, they're stuck in whatever temperature or incline setting that they had last had it on. And I'm glad that didn't happen. So I have a funny story related to that. So you guys were all talking in Slack about how your eight sleeps like didn't track that night.

51:07And I was like, huh, well, I wonder if my eight sleeps still down. So if you hit the side, if you like slap the side of the bed four times, someone appears in the mirror. Just kidding. Well, AWS was down, so he couldn't. Jeff Bezos appears in the mirror. Palmer Lucky. Your bed inclines or reclines into like bed, into reading mode. Because I use the reading mode fairly frequently. Gotcha. To read. which is crazy um so i slapped it you know and then nothing happened i was like oh it must be down so i i like went online and it was like everyone's like oh it's back up and i was like what's wrong and then i realized it was unplugged so you guys had server outages i just didn't plug my local power local outage skill issue skill issue um yeah so i wanted to use this uh outage as a little game to talk about how did you guys first notice that the internet was down?

52:03Was it Slack? I think someone mentioned on Slack, and then I have a Discord server with a bunch of my friends, and they're all software engineers, and that chat just popped off because none of them had anything to do. And I was like, all right, you guys are out of the way. There was a funny thing where it said that people that were in Slack huddles could not leave the huddle. That's my worst nightmare. That's just like... Andrew, your mic's on. Andrew, your mic's on. Andrew, you're still on? That's it for me, okay? See you guys next week. Wait, wait. You guys can just watch me work for the rest of the day.

52:37Apparently a bunch of, what was it, AI stuff was on? Or no. I don't know. I just kind of listened to the NPR story, and I was like, wow, that is a lot of new stuff that is all on AWS. Yeah. AWS is like the backbone of a lot of these. We lost Frame. Oh, right. Mariah was trying to put something on Frame, and frame.io is just just crapping out. Having, it's clutching it's pearls. I have no idea what to do. I remember I woke up at four in the morning because I've been having insomnia and um just so you know a little bit about my backstory Comment what David should do to help him sleep. Plug in the eight sleep.

53:09Have you tried reading? Plug in the eight sleep. Uh yeah so I try to go on Reddit because that's what I do and I can't sleep um yeah it's worse for me. It's not good for me. I'm just gonna let that one go. I know anyway it said it kept saying um uh oh no no no yeah on the app sorry i'll let you go so i don't even have the app okay and i was on the on the browser and it kept saying uh rate limit reached yes yeah i was trying to respond to things and it was like yeah saying something rate limit reached and i was like i thought that this was only a thing that happened if you had a third party reddit app but i'm using the browser so what's going on and then i found out oh like reddit's like down I found out because in the app, the way their refresh loading symbol is, it's an orange circle with the Reddit snoo running and his feet are going really fast.

53:58Except since it wouldn't load, it just went down and it was just like, and would just do it for a minute straight of just running and running and running. I'm like, wow, what the hell? But I just assumed it's because Reddit sucks. Yeah. Other things that went down are the McDonald's app, Fortnite, Canva, Snapchat. That killed Ellis' whole weekend. McDonald's and Fortnite? Eat fish fillets and view Canada. I don't know. Did you see the funniest one that went down? What? That, I really hope I have the back-end details of this right. I was trying to research it, and there wasn't a lot of great reporting, but I'm pretty sure the Bored 8 Yacht Club images are posted on AWS.

54:36So everyone who owned those NFTs could not view their little monkeys. Oh, no. That's really sad. Wow. Anyway. Yeah, Amazon said that the issue was related to the domain name system. They did not specify how or why. But if you want to learn more about the domain name system, we have a full two-part miniseries called I Can and the Seven Keys in the Internet and The Secret History of the Internet. We drove for seven hours to make that and all slept in one hotel room. I just want to say, I feel like when, obviously when AWS goes down, like a whole section of the internet, like all these people can all gather together and be like, wow, look at how frustrating this is.

55:15When YouTube goes down, I feel like it happens once every two or three years. And they used to have actually, when it like really went down, it would just be like the monkeys are trying to fix things page or whatever. And that would go viral. but when YouTube goes down I feel like all of society collectively goes huh what do I do now at least for me I don't I don't use Netflix I use a whole bunch of other stuff so what I'm trying to watch a YouTube video and the specific way that it went down yeah was the home page would load thumbnails would load yeah I would click the video the page the player and all the related thumbnails would load but the browser the video would just never load yeah and so I was like I was in the zone of i want to watch this video i couldn't watch this bad plane wi-fi it was like terrible wi-fi it was like being on united flight anyway it was very it's very funny because uh like a week and a half ago so my friend mark was gonna go on that subway takes thing um so i said what's your take and he said i don't know if i could say this but we have to take out the data centers to just restart society and i was like yeah that's a that's a good one and then the next week I was like did Mark do something?

56:28did he set this off? now that the internet's back up because you're watching this I guess we have other things to worry about hopefully that's two days from now was it me? I thought it was Marquez because I went last you just pulled AWS right? yeah but we're not going we're going in a Marquez David Andrew order we're clockwise oh we're clockwise not snaking got it it was more of just me offering it to both of you before me and then now that's I don't know anything about this yes I think this is the coolest thing we're going to talk about today. Oh, I love this. I got a story about this. Do you want to take it?

56:59You'll have to explain. It's up to you. Let me just read what it says. Okay. Color. Yes. E-ink. Yes. Flames. Frame. Frame. You wrote flames. I did not. That's an R. That's an R? You sure about that? Vaguely. What do you think that is? Color E-ink flame would be pretty flames. It would be pretty cool. Color E-ink frames. Can someone explain this to me? Yeah. Yes. I'll go. I'll go and you join in. I'll join in later. Yeah, budding. Okay, so Aura, which, disclaimer, has sponsored the podcast before. So take everything we say with a grain of salt. But they just released their new Color E Ink wireless photo frame.

57:38Previously, they've done the photo frames where you get an app, it plugs in, and it can rotate images. Color E Ink wireless photo frame. Photo frame. So it has a built-in battery. Yes. So it can die. No, but it's E Ink. Yes, hold on. It's static. So it is. But it's color. It's color. So? The colors, dude. The colors. It's all static state. Okay. I'll do the specs first. 13.3 inch panel. It is 11.5 by 14. So this is like a pretty good size frame. It's pretty big. Yeah. The battery life should be approximately three months on a full charge. Also, the charging port is on the outside of the frame with a 10 foot cable.

58:12So you can charge it without even taking it off the wall. I think that's cool. That's cool. because it is using the new spectra 6 display technology um and uh because of all of that because of the less power draw this is the first time they could go wireless because an lcd obviously takes so much more power they can't do it where now we're at e-ink it's taking way less to be able to show these photos in fact it's so it's so dim they actually needed to add a little an article on this which everyone should go read if they're interested but she said she like didn't even notice it at first and also that light will turn off once ambient light is off at night um i just got signed out of my google doc for some reason is aws down i have some questions about this do you want to use some thoughts yeah well so i'm not i'll just preface this by saying i'm not a big photo frame person yet maybe i will be soon right but i'm As someone who doesn't use photo frames, is there any advantage to it not just being plugged in all the time?

59:22Like, why would you ever unplug it? Because then you have a big wire. You have a wire. If you want to hang it on the wall or something. Yeah, if you hang up a regular photo, you don't have to plug it in. It's art. I guess I pictured a photo frame being on a desk, but you're like hanging it on the wall. Yeah. Okay. So right now my Aura frame, which I love, I have one of them. I have bought them as gifts before. Or if you are somebody with children and want to give a gift to the grandparents of those children, it is like the easiest gift in the world. Yeah. But like mine's on my desk now because of the wire.

59:52The one I have like at home is on a table because of the wire. I can hide the wire. Yeah. You just don't want a wire hanging up your wall. Yeah. Okay. And because I've seen a bunch of smart, like the Google Home can be a photo frame in the same way. Like you set a Google Photos album to always be displayed on it. And it's always next to the wall because it's plugged in. So that's kind of how high picture photo frames. But okay, you can hang it. the other thing is how good does this look how good is colored ink look versus like a normal even an oled maybe if it's like a super premium so that is that is the question i have been lusting over ink picture frames for many many many years every year i would go to ces and it would be like we put alexa in your fridge and i'd be like no and then i'd go over to the eating section i'd be like yeah and they used to show these prototypes of both things like this which they had they actually had big prints like that so the cool thing about this is because it's ink right it is actual ink so it looks just like it's on actual paper and actual canvas the big seller of the samsung frame tv is that they have a special like matte layer on it they have the borders around it they have the light box the matte box it makes it look fairly realistic and i think the frame tv pro has like a matte option that can make it even more realistic looking but .

1:01:06if you want like real real looking art that actually has depth and dimension and like texture you got to use ink interesting right so i've been lusting after a big thing where i can just like rotate my my film work around forever and so now this coming out is great but didn't allison say that the resolution didn't look amazing so she said there's a couple different things you know some colors might look a little off she said like blues looked really nice and and pictures with good contrast looked better on it and i think she said like some paler faces might have like a little bit of a green tint to them um but she said resolution wise if you are right up there pixel peaking you can definitely see all the different um dots that it is creating yeah um but from far away or just like on the wall as you're walking by it she said looks totally fine um the interesting thing about this and one way it saves battery is normal aura frames like when you have it you're a lot of them are rotating every five or ten minutes depending what you set on what this does is it by default only does one picture per day and actually changes the picture at night because of the way it needs to uh like like flash change all of the different specific dots modules yeah yeah she said it takes about 30 seconds before it'll stop flickering a little bit because it's doing like the lowest power draw version of a exactly so like it'll just do it every day so then every day you wake up and you just have a new photo on your wall which i think is awesome yeah that's this is the books palma two yeah book when you turn it on it does this flash thing and then you can like you know reset the screen it has to flash in and out so when these are setting it it does the same thing where it flashes and then it slowly sort of like magnetically moves the modules like in front and in that area i can see the color not being amazing because they probably only have six colors because they use individual little like like ink bead things and uh yeah if you only have six colors obviously you're not going to be able to recreate like rec 2020 or something like that with billions of color options can't you recreate all the colors with three colors well that's or four yeah that's that's dependent on luminance um i'm not talking about cmyk son yeah but you still need like different levels of like luminance and saturation and that kind of stuff where these These are just finite colors.

1:03:35They can't change. They can't change luminance. They can't change saturation. It's not like it's not like actual ink where you you can make more or less ink. It's either there's cyan on cyan off magenta. Exactly. And the different mixes when you're standing far enough away look like other vaguely like other colors. But you need different luminances and saturation values to actually do that well, which is probably why people's skin tones have a little more green in them because we are skin tones actually do have green in them. We don't really see that as much because there's other colors mixed in.

1:04:05Can I be the grumpy boomer here? If you want. You want to get roasted by the E-ing community. Why would I want this in my frame on the wall? I get it because it's something else that I have to charge. That's so annoying. Every three months. Yeah, but okay. Sorry. I was going to say, my doorbell, I thought the doorbell was going to be so annoying. Why would you ever want to charge it? It's so easy. I'm not saying it's hard. I'm just saying it's another thing that takes up mental space that I have to think about like my Garmin watch lasts a month but when I have to charge it it's still like ugh here we go if it sends me a notification that like frame is low charge it in the next like three days chances are especially if you don't even need to unplug it if there's an outlet within 10 feet just when you go to bed plug the outlet in and toss it in and then take it out in the morning can you not just like set one photo and if you don't rotate it every day it has unlimited battery life it's not going to last forever it'll eventually die probably not it still has the light though So that needs to put light in.

1:05:03It's probably internet connected to just stay available. Yeah, okay. Like to me, the draw of this thing is something like the one that you have on your desk. Because that is perfect. You plug it in, you forget about it, and you ignore it forever. Even though it's every three months. Unless AWS goes down. Unless AWS goes down. I wouldn't be surprised if mine went off. Oh, that's disgusting. Or didn't rotate. Sorry. Still needing to think about this is too annoying. That's my take. This is like... Yeah. This is an awesome step. My blinds I have to charge every three months. It's really not that bad.

1:05:31I would just leave it plugged in the whole time. That's what I'm saying. I would never unplug it. I would just never unplug this. Now you just get the option to be, if you're someone who's not a grumpy old boomer like Adam, then you get to hang it on your wall without a wire. I would leave it plugged in forever, and then when I have company over, I would unplug it. That's fair. That's totally fair. And then as soon as they left, I'd plug it back in. I do think we unfortunately have to move on from smart picture frames. I love this topic. I didn't realize how long we were talking about this. I love this topic, but we are more boomer than probably our audience is.

1:05:55I love it. This is my favorite thing of the week. It's great. This is what tech is all about. That's right. This is a gadget that I don't feel bad in buying. Can't wait until the next one has an LLM buy-on. Yeah, the next one is like new TikTok integrated gun.

1:06:12That's the top now. I think it's this one. That is real. Okay. We'll do this one and then another ad break? Not too different from that. Vision Pro Strap plus M5. Hey, okay, I can do this one. Huge update this week in Apple land. You can watch my Twitter video or the first 30 seconds of the video I made about this to understand where M5 dropped because it didn't drop everywhere. You might expect everything with M4 got M5. No, only iPad Pro, which had M4, now has M5. And M4 MacBook Pro has M5. And Vision Pro, which had M2, is now M5. The other two devices kind of just got that spec bump and that was it.

1:06:58The Vision Pro got a little bit more than just the new chip. It's been a little longer, almost two years actually, since the original Vision Pro dropped. It had M2. And so what you get is the spec bump, which enables, you know, a slightly larger area of foveated rendering, 10 % more rendered pixels, a slightly longer battery life, three hours of video playback instead of two. Isn't it 2.5 instead of two? I think it's three instead of 2.5. Oh. Correct. It might be somewhere in there. It's not a dramatic difference. And I think things like ray tracing and general fidelity being slightly higher. Great.

1:07:32M5 enables that. But the actually more important thing was just the new strap, the$99 dual band strap, which you can also buy for your original Vision Pro. but it is counterweighted. It has tungsten weights in the back. And so you put it on and it actually has a little bit more weight on the back of your head and on the top. So it takes the weight off of the bridge of your nose and it just holds it in a more comfortable way. It is significantly better. It's more comfortable than any of the other bands they've had and it's better looking than the other dual strap band they had. So that's the Vision Pro update.

1:08:02That's kind of it. I mean, most of the updates with Vision Pro that are significant are the software. Vision OS 26 has like the new Personas which are higher resolution and better looking and more realistic and all the pinnable widgets all over the place and all the other stuff and apple intelligence finally starting to show up with writing tools yeah uh i think there's one if you were doing what ellis is doing and using the mac mirroring there's one new big ultra wide monitor so there's like standard wide and ultra wide yeah the ultra wide looks crazy why can't they just give us two i don't know i think that might be a power limitation i mean it's still a lot of pixels yeah but yeah it looks really good i just put a little cut this and yeah honestly that's probably the exact thing just cut it in half yeah the fact that they did not drop m5 i don't even you know i'm i get that why they didn't drop m5 pro and m5 max yet but a friend of mine hit me up just he just got a new job and he was like oh my job is giving me a quota to buy a new laptop what should i get i was thinking of getting an m5 but i kind of wanted a macbook air and i I was like, yeah, why didn't they put this in the MacBook Air?

1:09:10Yeah, there's still a bunch of places that have M4, like MacBook Air, Mac Mini, and iMac, and iPad Air that have base chips that they didn't do M5 in. Yet. Yet. They presumably will. I just don't know why they were unable to do the whole refresh across the board. And not only was it only the base MacBook Pro, but it was the only 14-inch. Well, because the 14-inch is the only one that you could get the base chip in. The 16-inch is only chip with Pro or Max chips. okay so if you want a base chip macbook pro you have to get a 14 inch and now you can get an m5 instead of m4 it's just weird that they didn't put it in the air unless they're planning like a big hardware update for the air which i doubt they're doing because they just did that hard to say yeah yeah interesting yeah there's there's a world where like people were not yet going to buy an iMac because they were waiting for the m5 iMac and now the m5 chip is out and there's still no m5 iMac now what do you just get the m4 now are we still on like m2 ultra for the ultra chip oh the ultra chips m3 ultra is the biggest one three and that's in the mac studio my mac pro is on m2 ultra yeah so now we have m5 out i'm like all right yeah i did want to know everyone was memeing the fact that this is heavier online because of the counterweights um yeah i'm just trying to find the exact extra weight but it's like 150 grams more which is it seems like a lot and it is a lot But the fact that it is in the back headband on the new strap actually makes it better weighted on your face.

1:10:39And when you're wearing it for longer, it doesn't put nearly as much pressure on the bridge of your nose. So, yes, I agree. It is very funny that it was way too heavy and now it's even heavier. But in a good way. Yeah. So just to clear that up for people. So you know how earlier in this episode you were saying like, I don't know if Samsung really wants to commit that much of a team to like fighting the Vision Pro because it seems like they've realized it's not doing that well. That's how I feel about this Vision Pro. Yeah. Like we had so many thoughts and initial impressions when the Vision Pro came out as a new form factor.

1:11:13It was all this interesting stuff and this crazy expensive bleeding edge device. And so the second generation theoretically should tell us the most about what they learned, the direction they're going, and like what this thing is really about to become. And we get this refresh and your eyes, we're getting hot in the first one, still gets hot. All of the vents are in the same places. The chip still gets hot. It still has the R1, still has the M chip. It's still heavy. They didn't shave a single gram of aluminum out of there. It still has the glass. It still has the same eyesight on the front. They didn't make any like directional change with Vision Pro.

1:11:47they just showed up and went okay the strap's done anything else we want to do with the vision pro itself nah new chip toss that in there yeah all right yeah should render a few more pixels ship it like i didn't see any commitment to a direction if that makes sense so i got the same feeling that apple was like oh this isn't really doing anything and plus all those articles we've seen about you know maybe them doing a vision air and then realizing that's not the direction they want to go either and shifting the glasses yeah i totally believe that i have no way to prove that but i've seen the reporting and it just feels like this vision pro is like the last update we'll see for a while yeah part of it to me feels like they just needed to make more m5 chips to get the per unit cost down toss it in the mac mini or the macbook air the most popular laptop yeah i i don't know it's strange it is very strange the video's out if you want to watch it it is uh it is a whole bunch of my musings about smart watch smart displays smart headset smart smart face smart face computers glasses sick glass let's let's et cetera um speaking of trivia we were you guys know that uh there's a star trek villain named m5 really yeah and it's a computer pretty good episode season two episode 24 nice should watch it of uh next generation i had to google the episode i did not know the episode star trek is one of the few shows i have watched shut up how much which one which one next generation what do you mean you don't know well i didn't watch it in any order i just like sat down there's like 10 different star trek shows oh there's like whatever was actually playing reruns on tv a decade ago that's what i've watched probably next generation marquez's only was the guy bald lower decks there was a spock in there so it sounds like you watched original track that's star wars classic okay that's my That's Digimon.

1:13:40That's Digimon. Bulbasaur? After the break, we will be talking about space. Specifically Starlink. The final frontier. The final frontier. Specifically Starlink. So here's the question. In which layer of the atmosphere do Starlink satellites satellite? I know this. I have a guess. I will accept two answers. Oh. The actual layer and the general phrase. The upper X. Not that. I only know so many layer names. The fifth floor. So I have to go with one of the ones that I remember. Okay. Okay, yeah. Well, we will think about that. Answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.

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1:17:15Yeah. Never mind. Yeah. Basically, you could apply for this. And then if you were selected, you would have to sign an NDA not to talk about the device. You have to agree to put the phones in these protective cases to hide their designs. And submissions are going to be based on depth of knowledge and passion for Google devices and software. Okay. Can I ask something? Yeah. What is the point of this? Wait, can I counter it? Loyalty. I see the point of it. What's the point? assuming the NDA is you also can't really talk about it afterwards, then this is just making sure it is people who really do like pixels and probably go through the settings, getting to test software and potentially find bugs before it comes out.

1:17:59They're not reporting on it. So we don't have to worry about, they're not allowed to talk about it. We don't have to worry about bias in this in a report from them, but they just, this is the kind of outsourcing their QA testing. Yeah. The point is they're getting 15 is not enough. I would say free QA, Free 15 enthusiasts to help bug test. Essentially. I mean, how many times do things come out where, like, this thing works perfectly, and then we peel the screen protector off the first fold? And it's like, maybe if you threw that to one normal person, not, like, they would have seen that. Because I guess I hear that there's an NDA and they can't talk about it.

1:18:34So I'm like, okay, this isn't press. And then, what was the other thing? They have to be in a protective case that includes the design. so they can't promote it and even if they did they're already as pixel super fans so they're going to anyway so that wouldn't have been unique and also is the pixel super fan really going to critique anything so really it's just bug testing that's the the question i guess yeah are you going to be like this is perfect i don't want to say anything bad or because you're in a private thing you're probably going to want to be productive you you're going to want to prove that you are worth being part of this thing assuming if you applied to be a super fan you probably will go pretty deep into it so yeah this is like intern labor yeah yeah uh it will be funny when one of these leaks oh yeah 100 i can't wait um i know that you know pixels never don't be silly it's only 15 people so the chances are lower but i am also basically guaranteeing that one of these people will really want the 15 minutes of fame i want to know if they can talk really funny after the they probably can levels they probably can because then they would be able to say i got to have a say in the design and the development of this pixel being a super fan yeah but then can you not apply next time because now you're part of the press uh yeah you're an influencer checkmate super fans super fans yeah i think this is good i think it's i mean on one hand i understand google wants to know what their core audience likes and doesn't like about the software about the hardware so you hire me to sense they already did that oh right right yeah yeah yeah i feel like they would probably use this as an opportunity to test completely different devices not just software yeah well they said so it's going to be the new phones the new hardware and but i mean like different crazy different designs and see like which one speaks to the pixel user more like see this one with the square camera bump or this one sticking with the visor or what if we put the camera over here you know yeah but if they have to use it in a protective disguising case they can't really evaluate that well at least when they're out in public yeah then you just take it off interesting yeah google's design chief ivy ross uh had said that the company is looking to mix up the design of the pixel every two to three years so considering the pixel 9 and pixel 10 are the same phone we will probably be seeing something relatively new next year possibly maybe as soon as one of these comes out do you guys As soon as it leaks.

1:21:04It's going to leak. I think this is really good. Do you guys know the computer guy joke, a QA engineer walks into a bar? Have you heard this? I don't know. I don't know. Tell me this one. Yeah. Computer science engineer, computer guy walks into a bar and orders a beer. And then they order six beers. And then they order negative one beers. And then they order 10 million beers. And then they order null beers. and then a normal person walks into a bar and asks where the bathroom is and the bar explodes. Yeah. And that's exactly why I think it's good that they're giving it to random people who are just super fans.

1:21:40Yeah. I didn't get that joke at all. It's because you can test all the different things of something but you can never predict what random thing an actual user is going to do that will just break your product. Like ordering null beers is fine. I think 15 is like cool doesn't make sense. I think that joke is hilarious. I was kind of bummed that didn't get a huge laugh. Maybe the audience is laughing. I think I might have heard it before, but that is very much a place. If you thought it was funny, type ha ha ha ha in the comments. With a timestamp. Ellis' joke really got me. If you think it's funny, email podcast at mkbhd.com.

1:22:12Ha ha ha ha ha ha. CC Adam. Okay. Well, we got one more headline. Unomas. Unomas. Whose was it? You just went. Oh, wait, no, it's my turn. Because it was Vision. You got Vision Pro, then you went, so now it's my turn, right? Take your headline. oh oh i got one what's my fortune say really long this is a big one it says that spacex launched 10 000 starlink satellite yeah okay cool yeah well i just wanted to take a moment of reflection so you just said the headline they have launched a 10 000 starlink until a certain part of the atmosphere stop looking it up no i wrote it into the script oh i deleted it now.

1:22:58No. So only nine note about it. Can I command a second? I may have seen it. Anyway. I have backup trivia questions if we need. Of all of those 10 ,000 only about 8 ,608 are operational according to Jonathan McDowell who was the guy that we interviewed for our new Space Race episode. The goats. Plug number two of this podcast. What happened to the other 1 ,300 of them? I think that they stopped working and burned up in the attic. They fall out of the atmosphere after five years. Yeah, they burn down the goats. They only have a five-year lifespan. So they've launched 10 ,000, but only 8 ,600 are still in orbit.

1:23:34I believe currently two fall out of the sky every day, and by the time they reach their 12 ,000, we'll be losing in between five and seven per day? As a fun little statistic, if you guys remember, when we did that new Space Force episode four years ago, there were a total of 12 ,020 satellites that had ever been launched into space. only 7 ,550 were still in space and only 4 ,600 were still functioning. And now there are 8 ,600 operational just star links. Just star links. Yeah. Just star links. And this is why we talked about Kessler syndrome. Which is what? One of the ends of the world. Where, not the end of the world, but it's where basically things in orbit are falling at 17 ,000 miles an hour.

1:24:20When they hit each other, they explode. Then you've got shrapnel falling at 17 ,000 miles an hour. and so when shrapnel that you can't track very well hits other things it also explodes because everything going at 17 000 miles an hour just explodes so i don't think that's true but okay i don't know man when it hits other stuff when it hits stuff when it hits stuff i mean i explode going 17 000 miles an hour so i've been flying a lot of united flights over the past couple years and not one of them has had Starlink. Dude, I know. I saw someone post that they were getting a gigabit down on a United flight and I was like I've not seen any of them that have actually deployed this.

1:25:01I've only seen it on Twitter. It's like Elon and United's Twitter sharing speed tests and like look at these live streams from United's website. And I'm like oh wow seems like we should get it any second now. I've flown so many times none of them have had it but hopefully soon. If flights get gigabit you're just gonna need to like upload a video last minute and just book a flight we've got a really big time to book a flight the title writes itself anyway i'm i'm hoping that happens soon but yeah starlink there's a lot of things i'm hoping lots of things don't fly at 17 000 miles an hour and explode in space i don't know enough about like when they fall out of the sky they surely burn up before hitting the ground obviously but maybe they hit they hit other satellites on the way i don't know well there's low earth orbit and then there's geostationary orbit so they're like so when they fall out of the sky they are no longer in geostationary they're in low earth orbit the starlings are all in low earth orbit so when they fall out of the sky yeah they burn up before hitting the ground they're supposed to yes and they're supposed to not hit other starlings that are also in low earth orbit yeah i mean 3d space is big it's pretty big So the odds of actually hitting one are...

1:26:18It's pretty low. Well, that is what Kessler syndrome is. It's the chain reaction of the one hitting another, which hits another, which hits another. Yeah, this is one of the movies I watched. Gravity? Gravity. Yeah. That movie was just like Uncut Gems. I was so anxious the whole time. There's another thing that's going on with these Starlink re-entries, which is that the aluminum, as it re-entries the atmosphere and burns up, gets incinerated and turns into aluminum oxide, which is really, really bad for the ozone layer. It is. Yeah, I guess I don't. There's so many different scales of polluters that I'm like, all the cars that will be driven today versus the two satellites that fall out of the air.

1:26:55It's your fault for not throwing that Coca-Cola can in the recycling. Yeah, that's also a factor. But I guess, yeah. OK, but scale that up to all these companies launching their own satellites and then having this like ungoverned space. I feel like that was the whole point of what we first brought up. is not just like this one certain thing is doing it. It's just that like... There's no law. Yeah, where does it stop? Where do we make a regulation on it? And when every trillion dollar company or multi-billion dollar company could just launch stuff in the space. Yeah, Amazon's doing it with its Kuiper.

1:27:28Kuiper? Kuiper? I was more worried about the Starry Night, I think. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Getting ruined. Yeah, that's also a problem. Yeah. By Van Gogh. They stole it, right? They stole it from the loo. No, they didn't. It's not in the loo. it's in the it's in the moa that was that joke seen it many times all right trivia they saw my dignity from the louvre in seven minutes it was there all they needed was a ladder truck that's all you need let's do trivia let's do trivia seven minutes that's all i need this first one i don't know i just don't know i'm gonna write it now all right spider-man i don't Marquez's phone.

1:28:10What was the question? Venno. Oh, yeah. What is he? I don't know.

1:28:16I'm sorry. I thought this question... You know I don't watch movies. I thought this question would be more fun than it turned out to be. I thought it was a good question. Thanks. See? I hope you guys get one. For all the movies you guys watch, I hope you get a point. Yeah, there's two possible answers here. Yeah. I put two answers. All right. I wrote, I don't know, which is correct. True. I wrote the Venomites. All right. I wrote Korg because it just sounds like an alien monster race. And I also wrote Meteor Juice. Because didn't it come from a meteor? I kind of love that. The alien? Can I give you a point?

1:29:03The colloquial name is Symbiote or Symbiotes plural. Oh, yeah. and according to wikipedia i've heard i did not know this it is also known as the klyntar the klyntar it's kind of close to klingon um everything is star trek star trek star trek it's actually dune every time someone leaves me it's not i cling on perfect like an alien anyway all right adam none of us got that one next one all right we have a chance with this one quick update on the score after that marquez with seven andrew with nine david with five honestly not that bad not bad all right two hundred question number two in which layer of the atmosphere do starlink satellites reside did we not say this out loud i will no longer accept one of the two answers there's two answers now i'm gonna need the specific name.

1:29:58No. We are no longer accepting low earth orbit. Thank you. Get f***ed.

1:30:10You made it harder for yourself. There's a line which I know isn't it but I can't think of anything other than Mason Dixon behind that. You should write that. Just give it a shot. I wrote the De Minimis line. Why? I don't know. Are you thinking about tariffs? Oh, yes, I was. Also, what is that handwriting? It's cursive, bro. That's him hearing me say, you wrote de minima. Because I ran out of time. Andrew, what did you say? Blank? That's okay. Marquez? I took a stab. I said the ionosphere. No. It's not. Good try. It's the thermosphere. The thermosphere. The Celsiusphere. Thermos. Thermosphere.

1:30:55Thermosphere. Yeah, well The thermosphere is part of the ionosphere Bang, but is that where they reside? The ionosphere is like most of it Could I have written the sky?

1:31:09I think I'm right The mesosphere I'm not wrong You're not wrong, that's true You're not wrong I'm taking that point Marquez Brownlee, congratulations on your 8th point Let's go Alright congratulations but also comment section feel free to tell me why i'm right or wrong but i'm taking the point though either way that's been headlines in a hat for your final episode of techtober it's not no it's not halloween because next week oh my god you're right next week it's still techtober okay for your second to last week of techtober headlines will continue hats may or may not continue but we have much more to talk about stay tuned get subscribed if you haven't already.

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1:32:27I don't know why I felt like a robot reading that one today. Oh.

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