Why Bother with the Pixel 10a?

17:08David Imel:Okay.

17:09Marques Brownlee:And the display is 10 % brighter.

17:11David Imel:Did they tell you the wired charging thing? Their spec sheet they sent is so vague and annoying. 10 % brighter. Yeah. On the spec sheet they sent us, it just says... It's like an imperceivable brightness change. It was like 2 ,700 peak brightness to 3 ,000.

17:27Marques Brownlee:Yeah, but brightness is logarithmic already, so like... Yeah, it's not going to blow your mind, but it's a little brighter. Otherwise, it's the same phone, same Tensor G4, same 8 gigs of RAM. Does it have... Nope.

17:41David Imel:Probably not.

17:42Marques Brownlee:Nope. My one... This is the thing about releasing a new phone that's basically the same as last year. A lot of people sometimes like to complain like, oh, you didn't change anything. but I think without any substance for what they should have changed that's kind of an empty complaint because change for the sake of change doesn't really help anyone. Like you want to keep it consistent. You've got a brand. You know, you have to keep something consistent. So what should they have changed is the real question and the number one thing that comes to mind is you did this whole Pixel Snap thing with the Pixel 10s, the G2 magnets in the back.

18:15Marques Brownlee:This would have been perfect. You could have just one-upped. You could have made an ad about how the base iPhone 17e or 16e or whatever doesn't have it. This would have been fun. You could have had it across the whole Pixel 10, and they didn't add magnets. That's crazy. They didn't move to the Tensor G5. They didn't go 256 gigs of base storage. They didn't do any of the things they could have done that I think would have been nice at this$499 price. Taking notes from Samsung. Yeah. So first I was like, why even release a new phone at all? Because you don't have to every year. But then I was like, you know what?

18:50Marques Brownlee:You're Google. You kind of just do. You just go through the motions. And I felt that vibe the entire time I was shooting the phone. We went to the city and had a little briefing, and they brought us to this back room. I always feel like they usually shut down that area of the building to keep it quiet so that we can shoot. There was just Google employees walking back. Oh, they're doing the thing. Nobody seemed to care. We shot the phone. It was very much an afterthought type of phone. So it's updated.

19:15David Imel:I wanted you so bad to bring a 9A and just leave it on one of the platforms and then see if anyone accidentally recorded the wrong phone and made it into a different review.

19:25Marques Brownlee:It's perfect because the colors of the phones, there's four colors, are almost exactly the same, just a little bit more saturated. And I saw the spec sheet had different color names, and I was like, oh, maybe there's different colors because there's like fog and obsidian, and then there's like a sort of a reddish and a purplish one. I forgot the names.

19:43David Imel:Lavender and berry, right?

19:45Marques Brownlee:I think that's the new ones, yeah. Oh, the new ones, okay, sorry. had some name like peony and porcelain or something else. And so they renamed the white one porcelain to fog, but it's still, it's the same color. And then they have this - If you're going to change everything by such an imperceivable amount, why even change it? Exactly. You should just call it the Pixel A 2026. Pixel A 2027 at this point. Well, at least the companies used to be a little bit more honest about it. They'd go, oh, this is the iPhone 6S 6s because it's it's a small update from the iphone 6 in fact it's the same design just a little bit of a spec bump like a kind of a couple small things this isn't even a spec bump yeah and at least with that you'd be like all right i'll probably skip the s and just wait for the next one this one they it's just a 10a and it's just the same as the last phone and i ended up thinking about that for the video and the conclusion i came to is like the pixel is very much a software defined thing.

20:43Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Like the reason you get a pixel, especially the A-series pixel, like that buyer isn't going, I want the latest chip or I want the, you know, the highest resolution display or whatever. It's just a phone that works that has the pixel features and it's still that. And so that's the reason why it's probably fine for most of those people. But yeah, as someone who reviews phones year over year, this was like, huh, I don't think I've ever seen that before. We've talked about them having a lot of sort of like friendliness with Samsung. It seems like they're taking a lot of lessons from Samsung over here.

21:16David Imel:Yeah, this is like, we've been joking about how we're on the what? S23. S23 plus, plus, plus, plus, plus. But this is like another level of a whole lot of nothing, which we might see get beat in a week or in a couple of weeks with, we'll talk about it later, but if iPhone 17e is the exact same thing, it's going to be even funnier this year. Even. when the uh the base iphone got so good last year yeah it might be a lot of l's i'm just more with marquez here why even release this 10a i think they could have just been like you know the 9a is still pretty good for people that like want a cheap entry-level pixel yeah and everyone would have been like okay yeah yeah good and the iphone se used to just be every couple years yeah and i

22:00Marques Brownlee:was fine we get an iphone se like every three years and it would be like oh the budget phone apple knew how to do it they just called the se so that there wasn't a confusion of like every year Yeah, because now they kind of had to release the XA because they had to have a X version of the A phone. But if they just call it like the Pixel E. I think that's literally exactly what they're doing. Yeah. Is somebody is going to, some new shopper is going to start looking for a budget phone and they will see that there is a 9A and no XA. And they'll go, oh, I guess there's no XA. And they'll just go, oh, it's no old news and move on.

22:30Marques Brownlee:But if there's a XA, they'll consider it.

22:33David Imel:I mean, Apple learned that also. they stopped doing SE and now they did 16E and possibly 17E. Right. So that seems worse. Seems like, I think it is worse. They'll call it SE because then they can sell the same phone for a long time. They can, but I think people want to see this number, new number. I want new number, even if it's cheaper, which is unfortunate, but probably the marketing is the numbers are probably proving it. Bring back the pixel for a better phone than this. Better phone than this. Had a headphone jack. Cheaper. Wait, can I just confirm really fast? So you said they told you 30-watt wireless charging because all they say in here is fast charging up to 50 % in 30 minutes using 45-watt USB-C charger or higher sold separately?

23:18Marques Brownlee:Yeah, they will sell you separately a 45-watt charger, and if you use that one, then it can peak at 30 watts instead of 23 like last year.

23:27David Imel:Putting this in the briefing document that they send you as a reviewer's guide is just not helpful.

23:32Marques Brownlee:And isn't that 45-watt charger pretty expensive, too? It's a thing that I'm sure a lot of Pixel A buyers won't buy. They'll just use whatever one they have.

23:40David Imel:I would not be surprised if a bunch of day of reviews today get this part wrong because of how poorly this is worded in the reviewer's game. It's a lot of deciphering. I mean, at a certain point, these just become Gemini boxes. That's what Google wants. That's their endgame. They just wanted them to be magical Gemini boxes that do the thing.

23:59Marques Brownlee:They're not going to do this with the 11, are they? They can't make it look the same, you mean? They can't have it be the same spec sheet as the 10, right? They're just going to add new Tensor accelerators, and that's it. Yeah. That's actually kind of, God, that's all that matters now. Maybe they're already doing. Yeah, it's like the raw horsepower, GPU power, all that of Tensor has never been the reason you buy it. Yeah. And so it's just going to be more Tensor cores and more AI chops. I mean, kind of the same specs anyway. With the acceleration of AI that we've seen in the last year, I imagine that IO is going to be pretty crazy this year, which we did get a date for officially as of yesterday.

24:37Summer. Jumping ahead a little bit, but that is happening in May. It's May 19th and 20th. So we'll see if that stacks up. But I imagine there is so much competition in the AI race. It's not even about the phones anymore. It's just about Gemini and what they can do with Gemini. So they already have the Pixel experience pretty laid out. That's what makes a Pixel a Pixel, I guess. that's what makes it

24:56David Imel:yeah and 128 gig base storage yeah still so I don't know how we even

25:02Marques Brownlee:talked about that for that long but honestly we had our segues going really nicely we just kind of moved through a bunch of topics effortlessly because we're so good at that speaking of a lot of topics that you may or may not get correctly or incorrectly I see what you did there maybe trivia time

25:25By the way, audience, I promise it will get more interesting. We have more stuff. I don't promise. I promise nothing of the sort.

25:32David Imel:I thought that was super interesting. We have a lot more interesting. That's interesting. Actually, if you don't know, if you didn't look at our thumbnail for the main channel and also look at the Pixel 9a thumbnail, you should go look. Because I think it's one of the, it was the most interesting thing about our video.

25:47Marques Brownlee:And it's not a Photoshop, by the way. Some people are thinking we Photoshopped the Pixel 9a thumbnail to change the color of the phone. No, we reshot. I wore the same jacket. We actually got a new shot. That was more effort than Google put into the phone.

26:04David Imel:Tim did change your shirt color. Yes. Because you wore the exact same one, but the phone colors were different. So Tim swapped your shirt. All right, Adam, hit us with some easier trivia questions because I don't think any of us have gotten a point in like... Okay, here's the easiest trivia question. Okay. Let's go. What is Marquez's social security number? I know it. 606. I know it. No, so we spoke about the XA just now, but the first Pixel A phone was the 3A, made by which giant manufacturer? I know this. Oh, yeah. Who made it?

26:35Marques Brownlee:Yeah, back when they were like rotating through a couple manufacturers to make Pixels. Yep. Well, and Nexuses. The Nexuses mostly. Nexi? All the Pixels are kind of made by the same team. No, the first couple Pixels were... But the 4A was peak. Wasn't it? they were all made by the same team it was just they use like different screens team pixel the pixel 2 yeah they were made by team pixel um which was the one where the pixel 2 had the screen issue because it was like some had the screens from samsung and some had them from lg right what was

27:09David Imel:the one where like didn't hcc make the small version and lg made the xl that was the that's a different nexus i mean the five was made the 5x was made by lg and the 6p was made by huawei Huawei, yeah. Anyway, I miss those days. We're talking about how you don't need to update things because, you know, it's the same. I miss the Nexus days, but we had no freaking - Completely different.

27:34Marques Brownlee:What's it going to be? I don't know. It's going to be a totally random weird - We tried a Shamu. Then we tried a visor. Then I went back to Shamu. Then we did this. Oh, and then you liked the 5, we're going to make it again. But instead of that, we're also going to have the 6P.

27:48David Imel:What do you guys think of orange? Yeah, I mean - Pixel 2, HTC, 2XL, LG.

27:53Marques Brownlee:That's made by?

27:55David Imel:Wow. Wow. Well, you just kind of looked up. Pixel 2. Well, that's Pixel 2. Yeah. You were talking about the Pixel 1? No, this is the Pixel 3a. Oh. The first A phone. Okay. I'm definitely not giving either of you hints because you probably know this exactly. I'm the one who needs a hint.

28:13Marques Brownlee:I think I know it, but we'll see. They think they know it, they say. All right. We shall see. Well, answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.

28:29Marques Brownlee:All right, welcome back. It is February, which means we are getting now a little bit more into the meat of the year. We have a Samsung event coming up, and we also have just announced an Apple event coming up. I don't know if it's going to be announced at any of these events. It could be anything, but we can speculate.

28:51David Imel:I think we know what's getting announced at the Samsung event do we?

28:56Marques Brownlee:it could be anything Andrew what if it's a folding?

28:59David Imel:they haven't said why are your hands in your pockets? why are they spending so much money on this launch event in San Francisco literally somebody put on Twitter the launch event from last year and they said leaked S26 launch event all the comments were like wow Oh, so cool that you got this. Like literally nobody even could realize

29:21Marques Brownlee:that it was last year's. Samsung's official invitation says, unpacked February 2026. The next AI phone makes your life easier. That could be anything. Maybe, what if this whole event is just them reannouncing Bixby? I can't wait for that day. And Bixby speaker comes back. The Galaxy Home will finally come out. It's going to be S26, S26 Plus.

29:46David Imel:That was peak.

29:47Marques Brownlee:The Galaxy phone finally launches. Galaxy speaker. Anyway, but the Apple event we actually don't know also, but we kind of probably also do know. Yeah, we can guess. What do we hope gets announced at these types of things? Well, I wanted to see new Mac minis to run Claude, but I'm just kidding. No, no. I'm only kind of kidding. But there are all these rumors of the new Apple A-series MacBook that we've been talking about for many, many, many months now. Yeah. And this seems to actually be the thing that people are saying might come out because the invitation that went out for people with there's this March 4th event that's happening that is apparently just going to be sort of an experience event.

30:28And people are saying that there's not going to be like a keynote. They're going to release that stuff separately. But the colors in that launch event poster are the colors that people are saying that these MacBooks might be colored as. It's like a light green, a light yellow, sort of a really cheap$700 model.

30:44Marques Brownlee:Can I just say, every time we do the speculation about what the event invite means, I always wish that someone had done like a how close were we about previous event invites and what it actually ended up being. Someone's probably done that. I think someone's done, they've like analyzed every invite. And like what the hint was and what it turned out to be. Okay. So this is the possible new colors of this colorful new cheaper entry-level MacBook powered by an A-series chip. Yeah. I'm very interested in this. I think right now we're in a spot where like Apple Silicon's gotten super, super good. And whenever we talk about MacBook Air, which is the current cheapest laptop they make, it is such an easy to recommend$1 ,000,$1 ,100 laptop.

31:27Marques Brownlee:It's almost like the default way of getting into Apple laptops. But there are lots of laptops that are way cheaper than that. And the Mac Mini came out and was maybe the best deal in tech at like$600 and being just enough computer for anyone who just needs a computer. But what if you need a laptop and you have$600? this is a spot that Apple can probably ship a ton of laptops. Oh my God. And if the A-series chip is good enough, like they don't need to ship an M1 in this thing, they can ship an A-series chip in super high volume. It could be a winner. I mean, they really want to compete with the Chromebooks on the education front because Google really locks people the hell in.

32:05I mean, I think the fact that they came out with the education bundle so recently, the creative apps for education and all that stuff is not a coincidence. because the biggest thing that really moves people through Google's ecosystem is using Chromebooks while they're in elementary school. And they just have Google accounts. They just continue on with it. So Apple's like, we really want a piece of that pie. And considering if they're selling this to consumers at$700, I would imagine that they would give them to schools for even cheaper. So they could really ship a lot of these. But I think most people don't need the power of M5, M4 in their laptops.

32:42Yeah. So honestly, like an A18, it's basically just an iPad, but with an interface that makes sense. I think that that could be a winner.

32:52Marques Brownlee:Yeah, it's funny because there's this whole other slate of possible things we're thinking Apple might announce. Another one is a touchscreen MacBook Pro, maybe at like some point late this year or next year or something like that. Yeah. And so we're kind of keeping an eye on how macOS is evolving and what the app situation looks like and how that's happening. and obviously they're so similar in architecture anyway, like you're running lots of those apps, it makes total sense that an A-Series chip would work in a cheap MacBook. Yeah. But it now makes even more sense that we could see a touchscreen version of macOS.

33:25Yeah, yeah. It is interesting because what happens to the MacBook Air? I mean, they kind of created this really, really big pipeline of computers at that point where the MacBook Air was supposed to be the cheapest, most affordable model and it's 13 inches. So is the only differentiating factor going to be the fact that it has a not as strong processor? Yeah, I think it'll be the main thing.

33:48Marques Brownlee:Air will go back to meaning middle.

33:50David Imel:I think it'll be middle, but like I'd assume that if we're guessing that this A18 version of the MacBook is going to be something almost like a Chromebook that we give to schools, I'd assume the chassis that it's in is going to be pretty...

34:04Marques Brownlee:A little cheaper.

34:05David Imel:Yeah, a cheaper version of it, which means thicker, which means probably more ports and stuff like that for kids when so then like are we assuming this is the like the cheaper in all aspects version of the macbook then the air is kind of like the in-between i understand i don't need a ton of processing power or ports thinner i'm traveling all the time gets everything done i need to be the cheaper i don't say grown-up version but yeah and then then we have the pros that are pro models yeah i i kind of see it as an expansion

34:35Marques Brownlee:of the lineup downward. And I don't know what to expect ports-wise from this. I think, naturally, if it's going to education, you have to have a couple of ports. But I could see Apple not doing that. Yeah. Everything's online. Yeah, maybe not more ports. But all that education stuff is on the internet. That's a good point. Do you really need any ports besides a charging port? I always picture an HDMI port, but I haven't been in a classroom in so long that I'm not even sure you need that anymore.

35:02David Imel:The kids don't need it.

35:03Marques Brownlee:They definitely don't need an HDMI port. Kids don't need it. HDMI is like only for the pros.

35:07David Imel:I guess if you want to think about it of like the iPad lineup of like they had an iPad mini, an iPad pro, and then they had the like iPad for education one that still had the old button and everything for super, super cheap. Like this MacBook would be that, I guess. Exactly.

35:24Marques Brownlee:Yeah. So it puts iPad, it puts Air in the middle again. So in the iPad lineup, it's iPad, then there's Air and there's iPad pro. And then Air is in the middle. So the MacBooks, it would be like the MacBook. This is like the 12-inch MacBook they wanted to do well. I literally have that pulled up right now. Yeah, yeah. It's like a slightly smaller, slightly cheaper, slightly underpowered, but totally fine for most people laptop. And then if you really need the upgrade, okay, here's a bigger screen, here's a bigger battery. It's the MacBook Air. It's$1 ,100, and it's all the computer you probably need.

35:50Marques Brownlee:And then the pros for the people who need that. Yeah. Air is in the middle again. And then what else is Air? I mean, iPhone Air is kind of in the middle, sort of. Yeah. Price-wise, it's technically in the middle. Yeah, price-wise, it's in the middle. So, yeah, it kind of works. That's true. It's rumored to have a 12.9-inch display, whereas the MacBook Air has 13.6. Not a huge difference there. It's something. I was really hoping they would go for an actual 12-inch super hyper portable display, especially if they're trying to get into the education market where kids' backpacks are the size of a purse.

36:19I think that could be really helpful. Am I the only one just straight up picturing the MacBook from 2015? No, yeah, for sure. The 12-inch MacBook. Make the bezel bigger and smaller.

36:28Marques Brownlee:You know what's funny about this? I mean, I would love that. I think that the 12-inch MacBook, hear me out, and the Trashcan Mac Pro have a lot in common. Ready? Ready for this? I'm going to blow your mind. Ready. This was back in the earlier days of almost like late Johnny Ive Apple of ultra minimalism where they had an idea of a computer that they wanted to make, but they didn't have the silicon to really make it a reasonable computer. Concepts of a computer. So the Mac Pro trash can was like this ultra small single fan computer with like an Intel chip in there and like dual Radeon GPUs. It was ridiculous.

37:05Marques Brownlee:It was crazy that they even tried that. But they did and it was a computer that would readily overheat and leave dead pixels in your video exports. But it was a thing that they probably could have done with Apple Silicon a couple of years later really, really well. The 12-inch MacBook is the same thing. That was powered by an Intel Core M3 or i5 or i7 or whatever back in 2017. And it was a smaller, a little bit underpowered, a little bit too much heat throttled type of computer where like if they had Apple Silicon back then, that would have actually been a reasonable computer. So I think this is them revisiting that concept.

37:40Marques Brownlee:I don't think they're going to revisit that trash can Mac Pro. I think that's just Mac Studio now. but that's like the too early for Apple Silicon idea that can come around and actually be good again. I wish that they would release the trash can again as the trash can fan edition. They could. With an M chip, that'd be so sick. I have so many other thoughts about Mac Pro. Mac Pro is basically dead, I think. And we can get to some of these other rumors because we're expecting more M5 MacBook Pros and like higher end, like finishing out the M5 chip lineup, like an M5 Pro and an M5 Max. Whether Ultra ever gets upgraded from M2 Ultra, I'm not sure.

38:19Marques Brownlee:Because, yeah, the Mac Pro is still on M2 Ultra. Yeah. At this point, there is an M3 Ultra chip. It's only in Mac Studio. There is no M4 Ultra chip yet. If they did make it... Does that mean you cannot buy a Mac Pro that can do ray tracing then? Because I think ray tracing was added in M3. Someone fact check me on that. If that's true, then yeah. That's crazy. That's a bummer. Archie X on, baby, Archie X. I have a Mac Pro on my desk. I've been using and editing it. It's M2 Ultra. It's a great computer. I also have one internal PCI card in there. It's got like a 90 terabyte SSD RAID, and that's super useful for my backup.

38:58Marques Brownlee:There is no reason I should be using a Mac Pro still. I should just use a Mac Studio.

39:03David Imel:They're so funny because they're like 90 % air on the inside. Yeah, it's just airflow. That's the Mac air.

39:09Marques Brownlee:So I might as well, at this point, like my next desktop computer is I think an M5 Ultra Mac Studio with like a single Thunderbolt cable to like my little SSD backup. I think that's what it has to be. Because I think Mac Pro is just, Apple's done with like giving that attention and resources. Because what you should do is they make these like rack units that have for a Mac Studio that have a Thunderbolt port like built into the back. So as soon as you put it in the rack, it like plugs into the Thunderbolt. and then it adds to like one or two PCIe card slots in it. So you can still use your giant hard drive.

39:44And what's really cool is there's like this, a lot of them have this mechanical situation where you push a button on the front that pushes an armature that links around the back. So it moves the power button to the front.

39:55Marques Brownlee:Oh, that's hilarious. It's funny because I, the difference, now that Thunderbolt 5 is out, it's enough bandwidth for me to do what I was going to do with that PCI storage. I think there's still people who use PCI for other things they need all that bandwidth for. But for me accessing like 40 terabytes of backup footage, I can edit off of a Thunderbolt 5 drive at this point. Yeah, you're going to need to edit off of those drives you already have because the cost of storage is up 10x from what it was a year ago. Yeah. So yeah, I think my Mac Pro is on its way out at some point and I'm hoping to see an M5 Ultra even though we don't even have M4 Ultra yet.

40:28Marques Brownlee:It would be nice. It would be nice. Yeah. Well, speaking of there's some other things that we're probably going to see, probably an M5 Pro and M5 Max MacBook Pro because they still have not released M5 Pro and M5 Max. That's correct, right? Yep. No Mac Mini with M5 Pro? Just base M5. They haven't talked about the Mac Mini. Apparently some new potentially cheaper displays, which could be cool because currently you've got the Studio Display, which is cheaper, and then you've got the Pro Display XDR, which has not been updated in a really, really, really long time. Maybe something in the middle could be nice.

41:02You know, something that's pro but isn't$6 ,000.

41:05Marques Brownlee:Both of those displays are in a really weird place in the market. Like, Andrew, you know a lot more about, like, displays and the variety of displays you can get. But I just feel like the Pro Display XDR is a$5 ,000 monitor.

41:18David Imel:Well, and a$1 ,000 stand.

41:19Marques Brownlee:Plus a$1 ,000 stand, plus a$1 ,000 nanotexture coating that's on mine. It's like, and it's a 60 hertz display. So on paper, it looks ridiculous, but it has the brightness. It has the color calibration. it has like what we need for everyone on the studio seeing the exact same color, which is awesome. The studio display, correct me if I'm wrong,$1 ,700, I think. I think it's$1 ,700. Also 60 hertz. Yeah. 27-inch display. It's kind of, it gets pitched by Apple in these like kind of creative scenarios sometimes because it's a studio display. Yeah. But also like the display for your bedroom or the display for just the computer you have in your house.

41:55Marques Brownlee:It's kind of a silly buy. The rumor is going to be Studio Display 2. Okay. So just update to it? And this is from 9to5Mac, and they're saying that they're thinking it will have a higher refresh rate, either 90 or 120 hertz. Please. An A19 chip in it, because currently it has the A13 Bionic chip in it, to allow this camera and speakers and stuff to do all the Apple magic. Sure. Potentially a mini LED display, which would be good, and HDR support. Sure. And that is probably, I think, all I would need of that computer, and hopefully it's reasonably priced. Not sure I can cross my fingers.

42:30David Imel:Well, the last part, you take a buy too, but... I imagine it'll be about the same price. I think that there are just not that many good Thunderbolt displays right now, and that's what a lot of people come back to when they talk about the studio display. It's lacking on a lot of features, but there are just not a lot of displays where you can just plug in one cable and everything just works perfectly.

42:50Marques Brownlee:Yeah, there's a small handful. I've seen some reviews. There's the LG UltraFine stuff, and I think we have like a Dell one now that I've gotten really, it's like the giant 5K. It's slightly big. So there's some interesting choices out there. Almost all of them are at least higher refresh rate. I can't believe Apple's still shipping like this expensive of a display at 60 hertz.

43:09David Imel:It's hard to compare, like you said, the Pro Display XDR because you're looking at things that are like color calibrated and once you start getting into those monitors, they're niche as well and super expensive. So if you were looking at pure specs, you could probably find 800 monitors that are better. For six grand. yeah yeah yeah but then you get into that but then in like so niche in there in color calibration

43:29Marques Brownlee:world there's like forty thousand dollar monitors plus you want a cheese grater on the back which

43:33David Imel:is the most important part that's behind your wall it's huge yeah yeah every day i walk around

43:37Marques Brownlee:the side of my desk and i just check the back just to make sure the cheese grater holes are still nice nice yeah uh yeah and then some other potential updates a18 base ipad so just kind of bumping that up m4 ipad air so it's in the middle finally getting m4 iphone 17e which again And we don't really expect anything to be different from the 16e. They gotta have Maxi, right? It's gonna be so funny. They gotta have Maxi.

43:59David Imel:I hope they do the same thing Pixel just did. Because if 16e was already bust of the year last year, terrible phone to buy. If 17e is exactly the same when they then made the base 17 a deal, like we finally said an iPhone was a deal, if then it's the same as the 16e, it's going to be somehow a worse deal than it already was. That would be head-scratching.

44:22Marques Brownlee:That would be crazy.

44:23David Imel:And none of us would be surprised by it at all.

44:25Marques Brownlee:So just a new chip. And maybe the new like Dynamic Island, I guess. Is that it? I guess.

44:32David Imel:I can't even remember what the 60.

44:33Marques Brownlee:I don't even. It had the 60 hertz. Had the notch. Notch. Yeah. Thicker bezels. No mag safe. No fast charge. It has wireless charging, but no magnets, obviously. Yeah. And like black or white are the only colors. Single camera. Like really, truly a base phone. like single speakers at the bottom, like really base phone. I don't see them changing a lot of that stuff. They're just going to probably do a chip bump and maybe a display bump to like the, at this point, like the first dynamic island LCD that they ever made. Did they ever do an LCD dynamic island? Maybe not. So maybe it's an OLED. Maybe it's an OLED.

45:09Marques Brownlee:Only OLED. Yeah, it would have to be OLED if it was a dynamic island. So that'd be cool. Yeah. And then I guess the same phone otherwise, sadly. Yep. Starting at 600 bucks. Hmm. Yeah. Okay, 16E is already OLED, so that's good. It'll be OLED. That's good. It seems like it's quite a month of quote-unquote updating things. Slide updates for 20 seconds. Slide updates. It's like Samsung, Google, and Apple are all just not really updating things. And these are still the companies that are like mega companies that are big enough to not be as price sensitive with memory with all that's happening, right?

45:45Marques Brownlee:Like we think GPUs, memory, all that stuff. Yeah, that's the thing. I mean, I think Apple can basically just eat the cost at this point, even if it eats into their margin to the point where they lose money. I think they're willing to eat the cost, thinking that maybe within a year memory will go back down because they don't want to be unstable and dynamically change their pricing constantly, especially for a mega corporation like that. And that would be a bad look. We do have one more event, though. There's going to be a nothing event for the nothing 4A on the 5th. And Carl Pei decided to do what Carl Pei does.

46:15and he took the Apple event invite and he made a little Photoshop spray paint thing of nothing and over the Apple logo and then put March 5th instead of March 4th. Neat. Funny, kind of almost a callback, almost a callback to 2018 when there was going to be a OnePlus event that Carl was the head of and they announced it and it was a big fanfare and then two weeks before Apple was like, actually, we're going to have an event on that day and then OnePlus had to literally move to a week later because they're like, we literally cannot compute.

46:48Marques Brownlee:Did they move it a week? I thought they moved it to like one day. I thought it was a day or two after. I think they moved it a week later. It was really funny though because everyone in my world was like, so which one are you going to? Yeah, we all knew.

47:00David Imel:If this is a callback to that, I'll give Carl some credit for this. That's funny. I think if you can joke about something funny that happened to you in the past, that probably screwed up a lot of things. Yeah. Well, ironically, this 4A seems to be the only thing that has a new design. So I guess you got to give credit where it's due. Fair enough. I've got kind of a thing here. We're getting a lot of tweets because Apple just announced video podcasts through Apple Podcasts. And obviously, like Spotify, a lot of people have been asking us if we are going to put it on. So let me explain what's happening and then explain if we will be on it or not.

47:38David Imel:They launched their video podcast experience on the podcast app, which lets people stream through HTTP live streaming and you will be able to download for offline viewing. This is something they just announced on Monday, I think it was. In their press release, Apple said we are putting creators in full control of their content and how they build their businesses while making it easier than ever for audiences to listen to or watch podcasts. So everyone's asking us, will we be putting it on it? And right now the answer is no, because we can't, because Megaphone is not one of the partners that's working with this so far.

48:09David Imel:It is opening with Art19, OmniStudio, Simplecast, and AdsWiz. Those are all the platforms of publishing that will be able to use this. It does say there will be more participating partners later, but we're in the Vox Media Podcast Network and we use Megaphone, which is also owned by Spotify, so I don't know when they will be joining the Apple Podcasts video platform for this. But it is kind of cool that they're allowing dynamically inserted video ads, including host reads, which is a big thing in video podcasting right now. That's still kind of weird. If you watch us on YouTube, those are obviously not dynamically inserted.

48:46David Imel:They're baked into the videos. Until that gets added, we'll see what that does. Podcasting and podcast ads are so based on dynamically inserted ads because when you're just downloading and streaming audio all the time, it gets swapped out. And that's kind of how people can find ways to advertise on there. It's much easier when you can't see if the host is wearing a different shirt or not. On video podcasts, we re-record our ads every week. I think Vox thinks we're crazy that we do that, but we do because we like things to be as high quality as they are, even if it's an ad you're going to skip.

49:19David Imel:So we'll see what that does. The reason we're, we still have to see how this plays out though, because the way Spotify did video and the reason we're, one of the reasons we're still not on there is like, we were worried and it might still take over the, if they take the video audio and turn that into the audio thing we might lose all of the advertising that's coming through vox or whichever podcast network we're with and if they're doing their weird ads just from spotify if apple were to do something like that i don't know we need to see what it does because i don't think people realize how much ads and podcasts is what yeah makes or breaks and also just to be transparent like we're we're we're we're half a podcast we're half a YouTube channel basically.

50:01And we need to keep getting views on YouTube because that's how we grow and make money, discoverability, that kind of stuff. And it's just kind of awkward now that everyone's like, just put it in here because we don't get paid for that. So I understand the, the flexibility and being able to jump between the audio and the video in the same app is nice. But if, if the waveform YouTube channel starts getting less and less views because people are watching it on Spotify and, and Apple podcasts, and then we don't get money for that. It's kind

50:28David Imel:of hard to it's also it feels weird it'll be once like podcast networks who seems pretty i don't want to say behind but the pod podcasting in general is not really up to date with advertising everywhere else so once they get stuff working and figuring out rates and stuff like that it could totally work yeah and i i wonder how much we would lose on if it would be on spot like if it's just our audio listeners wanting to hop into video if that would actually hit our youtube at all there's there's just a lot more to it than just can you post it on yeah like the reason joe rogan took that 10 million dollar deal or whatever it was 100 million dollars it's because we turned it down because we yeah because they were he was the b plan but the reason he took the 100 million dollar deal was like he was making a lot of money on youtube yeah that's how much it costs to

51:16Marques Brownlee:convince him to not put it on youtube exactly yeah so yeah and i think it's also you know worth remembering that YouTube is still technically the largest podcast platform and has a lot of influence on how podcasts get made and shared. And we are a podcast, but as you said, we're, we're a YouTube channel as well. And so there's different things that you optimize for in different formats that you lean into.

51:38David Imel:Yeah. So Apple podcast does a decent job of doing like charts and different suggested shows. So I think some, some podcasters who maybe are smaller that have video or like introducing it to that might introduce you to a new audience. which could be cool. But in terms of us doing it quite yet, we've got a lot of stuff to figure out before we hop on that.

51:58Marques Brownlee:I think Apple Podcasts may be, in my opinion, in my limited experience, the only other podcast platform that is big enough and has enough discoverability through those charts that you could be swayed to go, all right, we should be putting everything on Apple Podcasts because people will find us there and we'll chart there sometimes and get new viewership there. I could see that. it's much easier to convince someone about YouTube there but yeah I could see that and either way competition is good like if Vimeo ever got big enough to be competitive to YouTube people would have better ad rates on YouTube so if Spotify and Apple and YouTube I want to like battle it out on who pays the most to video viewers then go at it be my guest that would be nice is podcasting dead?

52:46podcasting is more of a concept that's fair I think that it's not what it used to be everything's just a talk show now yeah pretty much I feel like the beauty of podcasting before was that you could just record something put it on RSS and like be done with it yeah to have like ads now the problem I wish there was like just some free third party thing where we can upload our own video ads like a federated protocol if only there was some way to like insert it dynamically in an open manner into each video that'd be crazy yeah but YouTube Spotify Apple, none of these platforms are ever going to let that happen.

53:20So this is the conundrum we're in where this podcast industry is kind of exploding. It's on Netflix now. HBO has podcasts after Game of Thrones.

53:29David Imel:It's just like there's so many different places to upload video. The fear too is like why we're with a podcast network that does audio ads and stuff like that is going through an RSS feed and where whenever we start seeing Spotify or Apple trying to do it, it's like well, what cut are they going to start trying to take or figuring out or controlling ads and jumping on it first as an established place doesn't seem like the best idea. And if there were an open federated protocol, we wouldn't have to have a middleman. Just saying. Maybe that's something I should vibe code with my Claudebot at ClaudeCon.

54:00ClaudeCon or whatever it's called. Okay, well, we love games on this podcast. We have lately been playing more and more games just like people keep playing games with my heart. So, I think Adam is going to do a game with us after we do this second trivia question.

54:17David Imel:We do less games if phone companies made phones fun at all anymore. That's right. If you're a gamer, you cannot afford this. I'm sorry. Guys, earlier in the episode, we talked about Ring, but Ring was not always called Ring.

54:37Marques Brownlee:Weren't they on Shark Tank? They were on Shark Tank. They were? They were a shirt tank. And Kevin O 'Leary tried to get it, and he said no. They didn't make a deal, and then they went on to sell Amazon for a billion. Was it a billion? I believe. Same as Instagram. A bazil? Yeah, it was a bazillion. A bazillion. A bazil? Yeah. Jeff Bezos was like, I could do so much evil with this. Surveillance day, you say. Melania movie, you say. But before it was called Ring, was it called? Surveillance day. A. Doorbot. B. Campbell or C. Stoop Watcher

55:16David Imel:There's no way it was any of those.

55:18Marques Brownlee:Campbell Yeah, wait, I'm not gonna. It's one of those three terrible names. Yeah.

55:23David Imel:I love my Campbell chicken noodle soup. Yeah, I was gonna say they would get sued immediately if they used Campbell. It was like how like Amazon's original name was like Abra or something. Like all of these companies like start off with something goofy and then eventually hire a marketer who's like, okay, we gotta do something about this. Abra at least is like, the other ones are just attempting to do a pun really poorly. That sounds like what ChatGPT would tell me if I was trying to make. With the internet, I didn't get any like primary sources to confirm this, but what the internet sort of seemed to indicate was that like, they started off like as a camera company.

55:55Like camera for your house. And that was not marketing well. And so they pivoted to being a smart doorbell that happened to have a camera. and now that people are just okay with being surveilled 24 7 now they're like we're a camera company i guess not i guess they try to be like guys we're a camera company here's a super bowl ad and everyone was like i didn't like that just just go ring ring someone's at the front door we'll think about it we'll be right right now at the home depot shop spring black friday savings and get up to 40 off plus up to $500 off select appliances from top brands like Samsung.

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57:01Marques Brownlee:In a classroom of sodas, most stay quiet. Then there's Mr. Pibb. Sweet cherry, bold outbursts. The kind of flavor that gets attention. Bold kick of cherry. And you're Mr. Pibb. K-pop Demon Hunter's Saja Boys Breakfast Meal and Huntrix Meal have just dropped at McDonald's. They're calling this a battle for the fans. What do you say to that, Rumi? It's not a battle. So glad the Saja Boys could take breakfast and give our meal the rest of the day. It is an honor to share. No, it's our honor. It is our larger honor. No, really. Stop. You can really feel the respect in this battle. Pick a meal to pick a side.

57:42David Imel:And participate in McDonald's while supplies last. Welcome back. We are going to play Two Truths and a Lie. Producer table versus host table. Oh. So there will be points up for grabs. I will say a product and we're going to tell you three specs from that product. One of them will be completely made up. Two truths, one lie about all of these products. You guys need to agree on which one you think it is. Okay. And then if we fooled you, we get the point. If you get it right, you get the point.

58:14Marques Brownlee:Okay. All right. Real products. Yeah. Real products. All right. Let's start easy. All right. Pixel 10 Pro. Yep. The first spec. It comes in two screen sizes. The Pro, which is 6.3 inches, and the Pro XL, which is 6.7 inches. Second spec, seven years of software updates. The third spec comes with a year of Google AI Pro, a$239 value.

58:38David Imel:I'm like trying to think of every single thing that you said.

58:41Marques Brownlee:The seven years is of security updates and pixel drops, not full-on software updates. Are there technicalities like this?

58:47David Imel:There have to be. There are, but I'm pulling this straight from their website.

58:52Marques Brownlee:and you said seven seven years of software updates

58:55David Imel:I think that's a lie that's my guess because it's security updates and pixel drop I think it's the lie because in seven years AI will have destroyed humanity so they won't be able to seven years of new features and updates if that changes it it does okay so 6.3 and 6.7 does that sound right for 10 and 10 Pro 6.3 and 6.7 yes that sounds right

59:20Marques Brownlee:10 Pro, 10 Pro XL. Yep. And then... Or did they change the screenshot size by 0.1? Or was that Apple? I have the Pro on my desk. I'm fair... Oh. No, I think that's right. I think that's right. 6.3. So maybe it doesn't come with Google AI Pro for a year? Oh, I thought it did. Or maybe it wasn't a$230 value. Oh, doesn't it come with Ultra? No. No, it doesn't. That's crazy. Ultra is the$200 a month. That's the$200 one? Pro is$20 a month. Do you want me to reread that for you? It sounds like something that would come. Let's hear it one more time, Adam. Two screen sizes. the Pro 6.3 inches and the Pro XL 6.7 inches.

59:52Seven years of new features and updates.

59:55David Imel:Or comes with a year of Google AI Pro, a$239 value. Is it not a$239 value? This is the easy one? This is the easy one because it's like a very modern device. It's like things off their website. I think it's C. I think it's C, yeah. All right. Part of me thinks he's throwing one screen size off. I'll go C. Let's go C is the last C. C is the last C. Wrong. We get the point. What? The Pro XL was 6.8 inches. I knew they changed it by a millimeter. I said 6.9. 6.8? I knew they changed it by 0.1 inches. Okay. You got us.

1:00:35Marques Brownlee:Yay. Damn it. We're losing this game so bad. Also, can I just say, I love that we, not we, but the Royal Wii bullied Google into seven years of software updates. We slowly bullied these companies into actually providing. Seven years is a long time. I mean, didn't the iPhone, what iPhone just got an update after like 10 years recently? There was some headline. It was just some security update. Oh, it was like a security, yeah. It was like a four, wasn't it? Or a six? But very few companies update things for seven years. Agreed. That's like a long time. They usually forget it exists after one year.

1:01:08Yeah. You know, Marquez, I'm really glad you brought that up because the next product on our list, arguably the greatest consumer product ever released by any company ever. I know a lot about it. It's the Humane AI pin, for sure. Better than the Humane AI pin. Oh. More benefit to society than penicillin. Fuck. Jeez. the iphone 12 mini the wheel are you guys way more than the wheel way more than fire dude i'm too hot anyway he's that guys iphone 12 mini a the iphone 12 mini has a screen to body ratio greater than 85 the iphone 12 mini is the oldest iphone still fully compatible with ios 26 fully compatible.

1:01:57I'm not talking about security patches. I'm talking about iOS 26. I think that's right. I think the 11 is. The iPhone 12 mini was part of the first series of iPhones to have ceramic shield. I think the 11 is the 11 is the 26 one.

1:02:14David Imel:I swear Ellis said something about his phone being the last. It was one of the ones that had ceramic shield. I did say it.

1:02:21Marques Brownlee:The 12 is what added ceramic shield. I do remember the 12. I feel like I I remember 12 being ceramic shield. It was, yeah.

1:02:27David Imel:And then what was the first thing again? The iPhone 12 has a screen-to-body ratio greater than 85%. It's probably like 86. I kind of think it's just under.

1:02:36Marques Brownlee:I think it has under 85%. Nah.

1:02:37David Imel:Because I think the notch in a phone that's small. Yeah. And it's bezels. Which is the lie. Because if we're thinking about OG screen-to-body ratios, we're like 88. I think it's A. I need one solid answer. It's A. Well, I got outvoted. So the screen-to-body ratio is the lie? Yes. Got outvoted. dude. Guys, the screen to body ratio of the iPhone 12 mini is 85.1 % making it higher than 85%. You want to know something even more infuriating? It's the 11. It's the 11, baby. Guys! When will you learn to listen to me? The one before I said, I think it's the screen size and you told me no. Yeah. I didn't know about that.

1:03:14David Imel:I know about this one.

1:03:16Marques Brownlee:So the iPhone 11 is the one that's fully supported. iPhone 11 is the oldest phone fully supported. I did call I did that immediately. I did. Wow. Immediately. You guys are ready for number three. Any hesitation?

1:03:27David Imel:Well, David got his one right, so he can't get any other right so far. So go against it. Without any hesitation. We're losing, guys. We're down. All right, all right. Oculus Rift S. Okay. It was made by Oculus VR and Lenovo. Ugh. Used an OLED panel with an 80 hertz refresh rate. Ugh. Featured software only IPD adjustment. IPD meaning interpupillary distance.

1:03:52Marques Brownlee:That sounds insane. Um, how do you do that? It's 90 Hertz.

1:03:56David Imel:Wait, can you say the three things again? Because I didn't, I thought you were still explaining the Oculus Rift. I didn't know you were doing the thing. Partnered, made it in partnership with Lenovo. Okay. Uses an OLED panel that has an 80 Hertz refresh rate. Nah, it's gotta be 90. Featured, uh, software. Oh, had software only IPD, interpupillary distance. I'm pretty sure Valve put out like a paper that said for people to not get sick, it has to be 90 or higher. That sounds familiar. I think a lot of these companies focused on 90 hertz.

1:04:26Marques Brownlee:I want to believe David again. I've also seen some weird refresh rates on VR headsets. Yeah. Like 48. Really? And 96. 48? Maybe not 48. That sounds too low. That sounds too low. But let's go with that. I got to say this one for stipulation, I'm not as sure. Nope. Okay. Nope. Because I've never seen software-only IPD ever. I've never heard of that. You mean foveated rendering? No, when you first set up a headset and you hear the motors move the lenses to match your eyes, I've never heard of software-only IPD. I mean, it's possible that the Rift is the cheapest one, but this is the Rift. This is the crazy high-end one.

1:05:08Marques Brownlee:The Rift S. The Rift S? Which was, I believe, the last one before I got disconnected. Wait, A was made by Lenovo? A was made by Oculus VR and Lenovo. Did Lenovo make this? I don't know that one at all. I don't know.

1:05:21David Imel:Lenovo could be behind a thousand products and I would never know about it. You would be behind every great product. There's even greater Lenovo.

1:05:29Marques Brownlee:Somewhere in that product is the little red mouse button. Is it still a valve paper? They probably wouldn't shift their own under 90 hertz. No, but that's valve. That's not Lenovo slash Oculus. Like Oculus might have. I feel like Lenovo did not make the Oculus S. Yeah, I'd go that. I don't see them in that space at all I need confirmation

1:05:56David Imel:yeah I'll confirm I'll go with that yeah I think it's a because they did make the Windows VR headset the Lenovo Windows VR headset but that was not Oculus S so I'd say but it means they've been in that space before

1:06:10Marques Brownlee:this is a shot in the dark shot in the dark Lenovo yeah Lenovo is a lie oh my god wow you guys are doing great oh my god what does it be it was an LCD panel not an OLED panel. That was the guy. You said OLED? Should have heard OLED because that was really obvious.

1:06:27David Imel:You guys were going so hard on everything else. I was like, they missed the most obvious. What number was that? That was B, number two. Used an OLED panel with an 80 hertz refresh rate. And I knew throwing the hertz in there would really get you guys. When I was in Philly on Monday, I was like locked in. When I was in Philly on Monday, I went to this museum type thing where everything is a mosaic and there's like a thing where you have to find specific things in the mosaic. And this felt like one of those things where you're staring directly at it, but you just didn't see the one thing that it asked for.

1:07:02And I just didn't even hear you guys say OLED. So I wasn't even thinking about it. I was thinking about everything around it. Yeah. This one should be way easier. Okay, I'm locked in. Lock in, lock in, lock in. There's a three-pointer. This category, this one's... You know how confident I am? This is an eight pointer. Let's do it. Ready. All right. There is a cucumber emoji. No. There is an orca emoji. I've seen it. There is. There is a barbecue emoji.

1:07:34Marques Brownlee:There is no cucumber. It's a pickle. Like a barbecue. Like the stand. I've seen that too. There is no cucumber. It's the cucumber. Cucumber. Final answer. Cucumber. Cucumber. Final answer. Final answer. Is it the barbecue? Yeah. There's no barbecue. I don't remember a barbecue. It's probably because Slack might have its own barbecue emoji. Also, that was sort of a trick question because the Orca is not in iOS yet, but it is in Unicode. What? Yeah. They just haven't added it to the Apple keyboard yet. But you didn't say Apple. I didn't. Which is why they're - Oh, my God. There's a cucumber. There is.

1:08:07That's why there is an Orca. Oh, I see what you're saying. Wow. Just if you search Orca emoji on your iPhone, it will not come up.

1:08:12Marques Brownlee:I can't believe there's a cucumber and a pickle. Oh, my God. There is a cucumber. Wait, there's a cucumber and pickle? The pickle is also not - I actually think the pickle is going to be... I don't see a pickle. It's the same as a cucumber. I only see the cucumber. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I have the answer to this. The pickle is... So right now, the most recent confirmed approved in Unicode emoji is 17. That's not in iOS. 18 is going to get confirmed, I think, in the coming weeks. And there is a pickle, I believe, in emoji 18. What's the difference? One is literally pickled.

1:08:43David Imel:I want to see how they make the visual difference between that. Next. Android Honeycomb. This is on you. Famous for its Holo user interface. Yep. Debut on the Samsung Galaxy Nexus. No. Introduced recent apps for multitasking.

1:09:02Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Which one is true? Honeycomb is five. I believe it was on the Zoom. On the yeah, the Zoom tablet. The Motorola Zoom. Yeah. Agree. Yeah. Unless it's wrong. It's not wrong. Are you locking it in? Honeycomb is a tablet UI only. so it did not debut on the Galaxy Nexus. It was four tablets. It had to be. The Samsung Galaxy Nexus. It was Holo on the Nexus. Yeah, the Galaxy Nexus is a phone. Yeah, it was ice cream sandwich on the Nexus 4.0, and then 5 was... But just to be sure, can you reread the question and the possible answers? The question is Android Honeycomb. Here are the three things about it.

1:09:40One, famous for its Holo user interface. 2. Debuted on the Samsung Galaxy Nexus 3. Introduced recent apps for multitasking It didn't debut on the Nexus

1:09:52Marques Brownlee:Honeycomb Eclair, Frollo, Gingerbread Honeycomb Ice Cream Sandwich Ice Cream Sandwich was 4.0 Right? On the Galaxy S I'm fairly sure that Honeycomb was famous for Holo. It was for tablets, and it debuted on my Motorola Zoom. And it later showed up on the Asus Transformer tablet. So I'm going with the debuted on a Nexus. It's correct.

1:10:24David Imel:Correct. Finally, they're on the board with one. We're gods. That was a layup. Gosh. All right, let's do, let's hit him with another Marques. I guess that was, all of you guys knew that. But this one's really the Marques special. But you should all also know it, except maybe Andrew. Andrew. F*** off, fellas. Well, no, it's because you use the other one sometimes. Because this product is... I wish I had a drumroll. I guess that's the next button I got to put. Final Cut Pro was originally called Keygrip and developed by a company called Macromedia. Final Cut Pro was acquired by Apple in 2001. And Marquez, this one is just for you.

1:11:04You can temporarily disable Final Cut Pro's signature feature, the magnetic timeline by holding down the tilde key. He's never done that before? I know. He does it in a different crazy way. You can do that?

1:11:20David Imel:I could be lying. Allegedly? So when I was in high school, I was using Final Cut 6, I believe. 7 probably. And that was in 1864, right? Yeah. It may have made it 7 by my senior year. My senior year in high school is 2008. So if 2001 was when it got acquired, that would presumably be Final Cut 1. And then so the timing kind of matches up, right?

1:11:51Marques Brownlee:So if we're fact-checking the 2001 part, because I remember Apple acquired it. I remember it was Keygrip before.

1:11:55David Imel:Okay.

1:11:56Marques Brownlee:I don't remember the name of the company that developed it, which if that's the gotcha, then I'm not going to get it. But it was Keygrip, and it was acquired by Apple. And so if 2001 makes sense, then the things that we're fact-checking are the tilde or the name of the company that owned it before Apple bought it.

1:12:13David Imel:The 2001 could be like a year off. I'll make it a little more interesting. The name of the company is not the gotcha here. I'm not saying whether it was actually called Keygrip or not, but we're not double-tricking you on that. I was using Final Cut 7 in 2006 through 2008. I know that for sure. Okay.

1:12:33Marques Brownlee:but that was already owned by Apple by then yeah actually I don't know if it was owned by Apple by then I just used it on a Mac it was pretty much like the Apple thing it was actually one of it's most popular versions was 7 yeah

1:12:52David Imel:so is the gotcha there potentially that key grip turned it into Final Cut before Apple acquired it is that what you guys are saying? Because I just assumed when Apple acquired it that's when it became Final Cut.

1:13:03Marques Brownlee:Yeah, Apple But I don't know the lore there. So did Apple acquire Final Cut or did they acquire Key Grip? That's not the gotcha either. Okay. So the gotcha is either the tilde or the Key Grip. I think it's the tilde to screw with you. There's no there's no, it's just one of them is just a line. Could be the tilde. I think they're trying to. Maybe you can hide a pull down another key. Yeah, I think it's the tilde. I don't think you can disable magnetic timeline. I think you can disable magnetism of clips like your play head with the tilde or maybe not the tilde but you can disable and enable magnetic uh snapping oh yeah but not the whole magnetic timeline i think it is snapping so i'm gonna go with i'm gonna go with c yeah is the actual y yeah because i think it is snapping what do you mean what and like the magnetic snapping you can disable magnetic snapping but so the magnetic timeline is when you're dropping clips onto the timeline itself and when you shorten a clip every single clip after it moves with it.

1:14:00Marques Brownlee:If you don't use that and you stack above and below the magnetic timeline, you can still snap clips together instead of having to get to the exact keyframe because of the magnetic feature of the playhead. I get it, I get it. This one, I just have to think. We were right. You're not right. But the thing is, is like, Marquez is kind of like accidentally right because the tilde key just lets you move clips. everywhere and they don't they don't magnetize to stuff i don't know if when you're moving stuff with the tilde the tilde key if other stuff still snaps to it if you just want other stuff to not if you just want other clips to not respond magnetically you use the p key which switches to the position tool so now i'm like you're wrong but like you may have accidentally like stumbled on a right answer because i wasn't like specific enough which deals in line with oled versus lcd Is Keygrip also a lie?

1:14:57No, I'll give you that one just because, no, Keygrip is true, and we lied about the year it was acquired. I feel like I should give you that point just because you did get me on the specifics. Yeah.

1:15:07David Imel:Final Cut 7 was released in 2009 or so. Cool. You got to cut the part where I said I was using in 2006. Wait, what the f*** was I using then? 6? They look exactly the same. 6 and 7 were exactly the same. They were just 6, 7. Who knows? Speaking of sevens, the iPhone 7. Okay. iPhone 7. Yep. Comes in rose gold, gold, silver, black, jet black, and product red. Has a 32, 64, and 128 gigabyte capacity. That's the lie. That's the lie. Featured the A10 Fusion chip. There's no, sorry, there's no 128, right? 32, 64. Can you re-say it? but I like David's connection the confidence to the level of the courage of interruption there sorry no no no no no I like if you interrupt him I'm team David here we're like that's how I know but I'm interrupting so the first one comes in rose gold gold silver black wait can I interrupt I don't know what we're talking about iPhone 7 iPhone 7 let's go all the colors were okay rose gold gold silver black jet black and product red Number two, has a 32, 64, or 128 gigabyte capacity.

1:16:25And number three, featured the A10 Fusion chip. I remember the Jet Black iPhone. Wasn't that the...

1:16:31David Imel:No, I agree. But he said rose gold and gold. Yeah, painted gold. No, he was saying... Oh. He said it came in rose gold and gold. I thought it just came in one of those. I'm just trying to remember. And then it came in black and Jet Black iPhone. They never had a truly gold.

1:16:43Marques Brownlee:The phone that had a Jet Black didn't also have a black, though.

1:16:46David Imel:Right? No, I thought it did. Really? I thought it wasn't only one of them, the like 7 Plus. I think 7 was right with the Jet Black because that thing, that was right when I started working. That wasn't the 8? No, because the 8 came out with the 10. We haven't even started discussing the Fusion chip, though. We haven't even started discussing this.

1:17:04Marques Brownlee:And we feel like it's the 7 that had gold, rose gold, black, and Jet Black. I don't think there was gold and rose gold. Has Apple ever released a purely gold phone? I don't think so. Yeah. What? What? Was there like a 5S that was gold? There was like silver and a gold version? Yeah.

1:17:22David Imel:I thought they've always been rose gold. That might have been rose gold. Silver and gold. I don't know why I'm just nodding and shaking my head. Yeah, I don't either. I don't know if you're screwing me.

1:17:29Marques Brownlee:I think it was rose gold because it was like pink. Rose gold's pink, right? Yeah. They never had a phone that had also gold. I don't know.

1:17:36David Imel:Was 8 the rose gold that just looked like a band-aid? That? Because that was glass back, right? Yeah, 8 was glass back. 7? What color? Well, I guess, wait, wait, was 7 glass back or metal back? 7. It was glass, right?

1:17:52Marques Brownlee:Yeah, because the 8 was the first wireless charging iPhone was the 8. So then 7 was that? 7 had a jet black glossy version, but it didn't wireless charge. I remember that phone. It was like super, it got fingerprints. It had like scratches super easily, single camera, but I don't think it had wireless charging, but it was the one that was like polished. No, they added wireless charging on the 11. Eight. No, the 12. Oh, wireless charging. Wireless charging. Eight? MagSafe was 12. Didn't 10 they add wireless charging?

1:18:25David Imel:Eight and 10 came out at the same time. Yeah, eight and 10 were at the same time. Oh, yeah. So...

1:18:31Marques Brownlee:What are we talking about? So the iPhone 7, did it have gold? That just sounds like too many colors. Rose gold. I don't think it had gold. Silver. I think it's the color.

1:18:42David Imel:Can I make a clarification question? Yeah. When you say 7, do you mean 7 lineup or just the 7? Are you counting 7 plus? On Apple's website for documentation, in technical specifications, it just says iPhone 7. I don't think it came in gold and rose gold. I don't remember an iPhone 7 in regular gold color. I'm like wondering if one of them came in the 7 and one came in the 7 plus. It was aluminum.

1:19:06Marques Brownlee:Aluminium. Gold. I miss metal. I can picture it with the antenna bands, but maybe I'm just making that up in my head. Nah. A10 fusion chip? Is that, um, I don't think there's any way to know. Well, we're on A10. Was A10 in the iPhone X? We're on A18, right? Wait, let's go backwards. A10 in the iPhone 7 would mean A9 in the iPhone 6, which would mean A8 in the iPhone 5. Or wait, 6S. No, no, no. No, no, we should go back from the top. Because we're on A18 on... 6 right now. Shut up. A18 on the 17. On an iPhone 17. So it'd be A16 is A17. 15 is 16. 14 is 13. 12 is... No, no, no.

1:19:53David Imel:13 is 12.

1:19:55Marques Brownlee:iPhone 13 is 12. Is A12. Yo, for any young aspiring podcaster... No, it's the other way. iPhone 12 is A13. Shut up, fellas. iPhone 12 is A13. iPhone 12 is A13. iPhone 11 is A12. iPhone 10 slash 8 is A11. So it would be A10. A10 Fusion. Okay. Lines up. Yeah.

1:20:22David Imel:Okay.

1:20:23Marques Brownlee:Or did they not do the Fusion?

1:20:24David Imel:I hope it's the gold thing because we said it 14 minutes ago. Let's go with the gold.

1:20:27Marques Brownlee:Let's go with the colors. What about the Fusion? No. David was right. At the beginning, David interrupted the question and it was right. There's no 128? No. Well, there's no 64, but it was the story. The courage of my convictions, bro. Wait, they had... So they had a 32 and a 128? And they had a gold and a rose gold. And a black and a jet black. 32, 128, 256 were the storage options. They just went from 32 to 128? What's even fun here is at the top of the page they have the gold and the rose gold right next to each other. So you guys are like, there's no way. They never did both gold and rose gold.

1:21:02We're just like looking at these two. I forgot that they used to do like

1:21:04Marques Brownlee:32 and then if you pay the money you can get like storage wait that gold one's kind of nice was this the best lineup of colors and it had the best camera dude the gold is really good and that was a good product red yeah iphone 7 was the jet black was overrated though damn i forgot they did black and jet black sucked but black was good black fire damn okay guys this one's not a trick there's no that i saying that really makes it sound like i was gonna say this one's just like straight up true or lie Ready? The consumer product for this one.

1:21:40David Imel:The pause means there's a trick somewhere in here. The trick is that it's not a consumer product. It's facts about me, Ellis. Facts about Ellis. Are you ready? Fact number one. I have owned two phones with full QWERTY keyboards, physical QWERTY keyboards on them, two phones, over the course of my entire life. fact number two i owned three iphones before the iphone lost the home button meaning i had three iphones between one and eight right yeah can never mind yeah no clarify hit it i feel like saying three is this exact number is it like more than three or no exact number exact if it's if it's either three or everything else.

1:22:27Same thing with the two. And get it. Last fact, I have only ever owned one phone in my entire 12-year-old life that had a T9 dialer keypad. And you know what I mean when I say T9. I mean 12 buttons arranged in a three-column four-row grid. Was it the LG Voyager? I'm not. I can't.

1:22:52David Imel:Voyager had a touchscreen and no it had a touch screen so it wasn't so one phone with a T9 keypad three iPhones with home buttons two phones with full QWERTY keyboards I think it's I don't think he owned a phone with a T9 keyboard I think he did I think that's the lie oh yeah you're right do you remember when he said he bought his first phone it was a slider phone it was like a Yagasaki or whatever

1:23:23Marques Brownlee:Yes, a T9 would be... What? Like a Yamaha. Mitsubishi. So if the first phone was a slider, then we're gone.

1:23:33David Imel:I think he never owned a T9 phone. Yeah, I think it was the slider only. No, it was the Yamaha Kawasaki hybrid. My first phone was Korean. It was a Samsung. It was a Samsung. Was it really? Yes. Did it have T9? Oh, no. Andrew, you are correct. I never owned... I know nothing about tech and everything about Ellis. It's great. As it should be. That was a six pointer. Six pointer. So we're ahead of you guys now. Did you say that? No. Working nine to five. So score. Producers five. Hosts three. Next question is about Microsoft. Number one. The first Microsoft store was in Scottsdale, Arizona. Number two.

1:24:18Bing is actually the rebrand of an older Microsoft search engine called Live Search. Or number three, while the Zune no longer lives, the music store where you can get files for Zune, Groove Music, is still up and running. Which one is it?

1:24:34Marques Brownlee:What? One of these is false. I feel like the first store was in Santa Clara. So I can picture the first ever Microsoft store and us all going, oh, wow, it's a pretty glass store. but I don't remember where that was.

1:24:49David Imel:I would assume it's in Washington.

1:24:51Marques Brownlee:Which is where the HQ is? Yeah. The other thing I'm thinking about is I owned a Zune HD and never once used whatever he said was the name of the music store. It would not be up and running still, right? Groove music? I remember Groove music. I remember Groove. That feels like the weird thing that we're supposed to pick.

1:25:10David Imel:I didn't use Groove music.

1:25:11Marques Brownlee:I used the Zune store and I bought music from the Zune store. I don't think it was called Groove music.

1:25:17David Imel:I don't remember I would take that

1:25:19Marques Brownlee:I'm pretty sure there is a groove music what was it for? music but like for what? I mean but for PC or like what would you why would you buy it? I think it was like an MP3 purchasing platform

1:25:34David Imel:because it was like old iTunes where you used to buy your songs individually so that makes sense and I could see it have potentially pivoting definitely not still being alive I need to clarify one of the things in this because a little more nuance The first Microsoft store, as we know Microsoft stores to exist, was in fact in Scottsdale, Arizona. I can confirm that. There was a prototype Microsoft store seven or eight years before this opened that was operated by a Sony consumer retail division in San Francisco. It was there for two-ish years. So technically there was a retail experience called the Microsoft store.

1:26:16However, what we now know as Microsoft's Microsoft store retail thing, Scottsdale Arizona is still factually correct there.

1:26:24David Imel:So now you got a 50-50 chance. Yeah, we have a 50-50 chance. I, I, oh, f***. All right. So probably, I don't think Groove is still up and running. Unless they pivoted to a streaming service, but I doubt it because who would? I don't know what Bing came from I feel like it has to be the groove is the thing Adam wants us to pick because it feels so obviously not does it help to say that I did not write this question no Microsoft calling something live feels really on brand it does which could be live translation come on it's right in front of you Come on, you got this. I know it's there. Yo, later tonight we'll play some Halo and hop on.

1:27:12Oh, Xbox Live. Also, live translation. And what was it? Windows Live. Windows Live. What's Windows Live?

1:27:23David Imel:What was the name of the search engine you're saying? Live Search. Live Search? Yeah. That Live Search. It feels like something. I can picture the blue in the logo.

1:27:33Marques Brownlee:Live Search? I know it's real. I've never heard of it, though. I've heard of it, but I don't know if it was Microsoft. If I was making up a fake early generation, like, internet search engine name, I would call it Live Search because I'm searching the internet live. It makes more sense than Ask Jeeves, but we all remember that instead. Bing? I don't remember a time before Bing. Maybe I'm too young. Whoa. I really don't remember a time before Bing. Jeeves would be a great LLM at this point. Did you have a time base in there, or did you just say it was before Bing? damn I can't remember pre-Bing there's like BC PB PB and AB yeah I'm exclusively a post-Bing tech person we just live in the post-Bing world so I think I have to choose the Zune one

1:28:20David Imel:I'll go I don't believe either of them somehow or I do I remember group music if they're still operating they pivoted so let's go with that what's the answer They just said they're still operating, right? Yeah. So it's probably the other one. So you think it's the search? I'll go with search. I'm thinking it's search.

1:28:43Marques Brownlee:Okay. I'll go with that. Guys, that group music is not operating anymore. You guys had a 50-50 chance. We gave you that one.

1:28:55David Imel:What's funny is if you didn't say the other thing, I probably would have argued that we should pick Scottsdale. All right, well, this next one you guys need to get because two out of three of you have lived in this state your entire life. Oh, boy. Okay. Guys, that's right. This final category, this final consumer product is the great state of New Jersey. Well, I'm going to get this wrong. You got to handle it. You got to say about the top half of New Jersey. First fact. The first baseball game ever recorded as being played was played in Hoboken, New Jersey. The first baseball game ever? The first baseball game that is recorded and we have the score and what happened.

1:29:36David Imel:It's so funny thinking of Hoboken now, but baseball has been around for a very long time. And in true New Jersey sports fashion, both of the teams were named for New York City. It was the New York Knickerbockers versus the New York Nine. Guys, second New Jersey fact. New Jersey has a spoon museum in Patterson. This spoon museum has over 5 ,600 spoons. I can see that. Species of spoons. Watch the technicality. Guys. It's 5 ,599. Third New Jersey fact. New Jersey's very own Atlantic City is the basis for the property names in the popular board game Monopoly. Unless he doesn't say Monopoly. That's true.

1:30:27Shoots and Laps. You guys ever played Candyland? Hell yeah, bro. You've never been to the Gumdrop Forest in New Jersey? Not the Gumdrop Forest. That's where Bally's is.

1:30:39Marques Brownlee:Okay. The Spoons one, I have no idea. I've never heard of it, but it wouldn't shock me. So that's where I'm at with that one. The Monopoly one, I know that that is true, and I believe there's no gotchas in there. That sounds correct. Yeah. So the first one is the first ever baseball game recorded was in Hoboken. It's called Hoboken at the time. The first ever baseball game is so long ago. It's so long ago. Hoboken was, I mean, Hoboken, okay, to be fair, Stevens was founded in like the 1870s, but baseball is older than that, right? What came first, baseball or Hoboken? How old is the first baseball game?

1:31:17Marques Brownlee:Yeah, when did the Louisiana Purchase happen? Hold on, hold on. The first baseball game ever recorded? What year could that be? I'm not getting it for you. 1894. BB before Bing. Because I'm fairly sure. Damn. So Stevens was founded in Hoboken in like 1876. I guess it's possible that there was a Hoboken in 1840 something. Wow. It's probably called like New York extension at that point. New York across the river. New York. Oh, was that part of it, that they're called New York Nines and New York Knickerbockers? Probably. I have no idea. So probably that wasn't part of the actual question. That was just more context.

1:31:59The Hoboken thing? No, the names of the New York teams. I can't believe you haven't commented on anything that this was technically a Knicks game.

1:32:08Marques Brownlee:I know. Yeah, Knickerbockers is funny. New Jersey Knicks. They had Jalen Brunson. I don't know.

1:32:15David Imel:The Patterson Spoon Museum, I have like no.

1:32:20Marques Brownlee:Might as well be the spoon museum I have no idea I know very little I bet it wasn't called Hoboken That's my guess Is it a fork museum instead?

1:32:31David Imel:I kind of think the spoon museum I have no opinion

1:32:35Marques Brownlee:The spoon museum seems like one that we would skip over And just assume it's true And I think that's what makes it a good lie Can I suggest that maybe we make this worth Four points So either you win or you lose on this answer.

1:32:50David Imel:Alright, alright. That's fine. It changes my confidence in this question. We were going to just guess anyway. And your guess is? Spoon Museum. Spoon Museum is correct. Not just David was correct again. The Spoon Museum only has 5 ,400 spoons, not the aforementioned 5 ,600.

1:33:07Marques Brownlee:Wait, so the lie is not that there's a Spoon Museum. No, there is a Spoon Museum in Patterson. It just doesn't have quite as many spoons. I was actually right. Oh my God.

1:33:14David Imel:I thought they said there was a Fork Museum. No, no. Earlier in the episode, I said watch the technicality is going to be that it has 55.99. So they say over 5 ,400. So not the over 5 ,600 I said. Which means you guys, with your four points, have taken it to seven points. Meaning you guys beat the hosts. Can you play the trivia extravaganza music? David, I would take us to trivia. However, I heard because you told me 30 seconds ago that we have breaking news. Breaking news. This is WFRM. We're coming at you with some breaking news here. Finally, we're not late on a topic. We talked about Ring earlier and how Ring is going to not use Flock for its search party feature.

1:34:04It's kind of not going forward with it. Now, there is a new report from 404 Media that just dropped. that has some leaked emails from the CEO of Ring where he says, this is by far the most innovation that we have ever launched in the history of Ring. And it is not only the quality, but quantity. I believe that the foundation we created with Search Party, first for finding dogs, will end up becoming one of the most important pieces of tech and innovation to truly unlock the impact of our mission. You can now see a future where we are able to zero out crime in neighborhoods. So many things to do when we get there, but for the first time ever, we have the chance to fully complete what we started.

1:34:49That was the ring CEO, not the Palantir CEO? Yeah, it was the ring CEO. Oh, okay. So, you know, they're like, dogs only, dogs only, dogs only. Unless. Unless. We are so lucky, man. Like, ring guy is going to make crime zero. Sam Altman is going to make cancer zero. Elon is going to make poverty zero. Like, these guys just are so good. They're so good at making things. Thanks, boys. You know, sometimes there's a little bit too much skepticism, but I think that we have the perfect amount at this moment. Well, you know what? You should have more skepticism about my trivia questions, because so often they require corrections.

1:35:31But we're about to do it now. And then we're going to do another game in the next episode. Surprise. We're playing games, boy. I got games, boy. Quick update on the score. Marquez with 14. Still. Still. And still. David with 16.

1:35:50David Imel:Andrew with 17. Carrying the one. Carrying the one. How long have I had 17 for? I don't think I have a point in the new year. No, you have a point in the new year. It's just... I don't have a point since Marquez complained about not having a point in the new year. You think you haven't gotten a point in like eight episodes? Since whenever Marquez whined about it. He cursed you. He did curse me. It's like you're the Philadelphia 76ers and Marquez is Jared McCain getting traded away. Yeah. God bless Jared McCain. Anyway, we spoke about the Pixel 10a, but the first A series Pixel was the 3a. Which giant manufacturer made it?

1:36:30And I mean like the company that actually manufactured it, not the one that designed it, because we all know Google designed it. Oh.

1:36:39David Imel:There's your hint, Andrew.

1:36:44David Imel:BBK Who's that? Blues musician? I don't think they existed anymore Flip him and read What do you got? What'd you say? I hope I'm right I said HTC David, what'd you say? I said HTC Wrong Andrew, what'd you say? LG Also wrong It was Foxconn Really? Yeah, you guys looking it up before it confused you. Well, that's a bummer. I definitely thought you guys were going to get that one. I was trying to throw you a bone. Now you're stuck with Alice's crazy question. You thought Foxconn was throwing us a bone? They make most of the phones in the world. They made every phone, actually. I thought they didn't.

1:37:31Question number two. Guys, Ring was not always called Ring. Before they were Ring, they were called. A. Doorbot B. Campbell C. Stoop Watcher Also, I should have said Stoop Watcher does not have an E. It's just Stoop Watcher. With an R.

1:37:55David Imel:Oh, that does sound really un... I mean, it depends where they were headquartered. Sesame Street. Is that a real place? Sesame Street? Yeah, it's in Atlantic City with the rest of the Monopoly property. right next to the gumdrop floor. It's right next to the gumdrop floor. It's in New York City.

1:38:21Is it your taco bell? Just read.

1:38:23Marques Brownlee:Campbell. Okay, what? We all put something different.

1:38:27David Imel:No, Marquez and I put the same thing.

1:38:29Marques Brownlee:Yeah, Andrew and I put B, Campbell. Campbell, like the soup? Yeah. I wanted that to be right so bad. I put C, Stoop Watcher. No, it's called DoorBot. You guys are on one today. Doorbot is a... What? It's a horrible name. This makes it easy for me because I don't have to update the score graphics.

1:38:49David Imel:It's the same graphic for like six weeks. He thought it was called Campbell. Instant. Instant cease and desist. You guys are getting good at when we ask questions to answer the questions on the fake things really believably. Honestly, when Ellis said with an R, I should have known it wasn't that one. Well, we tried. Doorbot? I think like most of this podcast was just, it's Adam and I not telling the truth. And us like floundering and flailing.

1:39:18Marques Brownlee:Yeah, it's bot? Yeah. What makes it a bot? I don't know. It just seems like a cool thing to say. But yeah, thanks for subscribing. Thanks for hyping. If you are still hyping or able to, we appreciate that. Thanks for liking and thanks for rating us on whatever podcast app you choose. we'll be back with you next week and that'll be what Samsung event first yeah see you soon after the Samsung event and then the other event and then the other event after that where nothing new will be announced no something from nothing will be new no that's the next next week okay so nothing new will be announced from anyone new nothing is in two weeks nothing new is next week amazing thank you so much

1:40:02David Imel:Waveform is produced by Adam Malina and El Seroven why did that sound so weird Great, sweetie. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Rovin, and partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network, and introvert to music, which was created by VayneSell. Bingo! Let's do it. I don't know. I don't know.

1:40:26Marques Brownlee:This is all pure speculation. I'm not holding any of them in my pockets right now. By the way, these are facts. Wait, are you? These are facts. No?