WTF Happened in 2024? - Waveform Rewind

46:55They're not trying to say that. 100%. Because they just gave us a tool to opt in, not opt out. Yes, to third parties. It specifically said third parties. So for those that don't know, there was a story that came out this week. YouTube is now allowing creators to opt in to third party training models, training on their content, which I have no idea why you would want to do that. I guess what they are probably planning on is like there's all these publishers that have been striking deals with OpenAI to train on their news organizations work. And maybe YouTube is thinking that some YouTubers could like go to OpenAI and say, pay me a million dollars and you can train on my content.

47:36I don't think that will happen. But the way that I see that story is that they specifically said third parties. is there an argument that Google and YouTube are separate and Google using it I'm like really trying to find like I thought the same thing I looked through their announcement and there's no mention of Google or YouTube well I'm just saying Google's making VO YouTube's the one saying third party I think they're both first party in this case that's what I would agree with I just want to make sure we're yeah yeah they're hoping morons like me think that yeah I mean yeah considering they have like more realistic like like sora would probably make up a fake jaguar that's sort of vaguely based on what jaguars look like but just make them up google just takes the actual i type right again because we got lots of refusals yeah we got lots of refusals from sora on anything that had any sort of potentially intellectual property with this clearly a spongebob clearly the devils clearly a jaguar like things that would not pass the same test so that's that's that's uh trend can someone to notice can someone make a meme that's like google when a youtuber infringes on intellectual property rights and it's like someone freaking out and then like google when google infringes on intellectual property rights someone's already making that meme.

49:02Oopsie. Thanks, fam. We're sorry. Anyway, we have gone in detail. Let us know what you think in the comments. We should take a quick break, though. And before we do the quick break, we should do trivia.

49:16Trivia, dude. I've been getting complaints on the comments that people say I don't say trivia, dude, enough. So I'm going to start saying it again for all you out there. I've been getting complaints from these lights that say, hail us even though we worked perfectly all morning we're just gonna stop anyway today's trivia today's first trivia question i should say is about samsung unpacked specifically they move it all over the world which makes it different than other tech events so they only started doing that last year though that is not true never mind two years ago i've been also not true in my mind.

49:57And it's usually in... Okay, continue. Which of the following cities has Samsung Unpacked never been in? Interesting. We have our first one, Seoul, Korea. Our second one, Barcelona, Spain. Our third one, Tampanese, Singapore. And, or Tampanese, excuse me, Tampanese. I looked up the pronunciation of that. If I still got it wrong, Singaporean audience, please correct me, but Tampanese, Singapore. and finally Amsterdam Netherlands cool huh I have a 50-50 shot really because I was at the other two I've been to two and none of them were at the list nevermind okay yeah we'll think about that one the answers be at the end like usual we'll be right back

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53:11Why aren't you calling this Waveform Rewind? so I'm calling this Waveform Rewind good idea thank you for calling me a moron you were right so we're going to do some things we did last year we have some fun questions we're going to go over some predictions we had we're going to make new predictions it's kind of how we're going to wrap this episode up but before that I want to do some stats about Waveform this year because they're awesome so as of writing this not including this episode we did 24.5 million views on the Waveform channel which is wild to think about So many dishes, dude. Yeah. So many dishes being washed.

53:46We have 8.8 million watch time hours. Dishes washed hours has got to be at least 100 ,000, I think. Wait, okay, 8 million. Keep going. You keep doing that. Okay. We gained just shy of 100 ,000 subscribers this year. There's three weeks left. You could try and hit that last 6 ,000. Nintendo Switch 2. Nintendo Switch 2. Nintendo Switch 2. We did 13.1 million views in shorts, which is something we really focused on a lot this year, and that did great. I think the thing I'm the most proud of is we posted 60, we will have posted 62 episodes of Waveform this year. We did a lot of bonus episodes. We did four more episodes than last year, even though we're going to take this break now, which I think is really cool.

54:29And I can't wait for 2025. I figured it out. 8.8 million watch time hours is just over a thousand years of human life washing dishes. I mean, listening to the podcast, that's impressive. That's impressive. That's super impressive. I can't believe. That's a lot of dishes, bro. That's a lot of years. Yeah. Audio-wise, we were just shy of 8 million total downloads, which is technically down from last year. But this was the first full year after the Apple podcast change where auto downloads stopped. And from what I've heard, podcasting across kind of the world has hit a dip. And we stayed pretty even.

55:06So I'm taking that as a huge win. Thank you for sticking with us. Thank you for being like loyal listeners who don't just listen to one hit auto download and then completely forget they have 40 episodes of a podcast. And I think it means a bunch of new people joined us. So welcome. Subscribe. Thanks. Yes. We have some cool plans for next year. I'm super excited for it. news wise we covered a lot of stuff we are notoriously really bad at being like that happened this year yeah so david was great and put down kind of the biggest stories and i just want to like also reiterate it with the question we did last year was was there anything that happened to this year that wasn't on our bingo card so do you want to say the the big things and if there's anything someone really was not expecting okay yeah jump out on it so i went through uh just the episodes that we launched and the stories that we covered and i listed basically the biggest topics that we cover this year yeah uh google getting labeled the monopoly in search by the department of justice probably could have seen it coming but yeah expected it happened didn't expect it to come to fruition and it's still happening this yes in progress yeah the vision pro technically launched that we knew was happening and is out and feels like an eternity ago that was this year that was this year it was january so it's fair uh the humane ai pin happened this year yeah it did that was this year as well yeah the rabbit r1 happened this year i sure did that was an interesting couple months for sure uh the fisker fisker went out of business this year that was definitely also this year uh sora launched this year officially only like last week but it got unveiled and now it's out yeah the cybertruck actually came out this year lots of big things this year we were i was watching the end of last year's episode and we were all debating on if we thought 25 cybertrucks came out before the end of last year yeah did that happen oh but remember the bet was 25 delivered non-tesla employee cybertrucks before the end of last year yeah before the end of 2023 yeah and we were all like very on the fence of if we thought that was It's still hard to say.

57:22I think it's hard to say. I don't think it happened. The Meta Orion smart glasses happened this year. We got a very super thin OLED iPad Pro. The Google generative search experience that kind of made people eat glue and rocks came out this year. That was fun. Forced them to. Nothing came out with their CMF phone, which was weird. Old CMF line, right? um that's a great question because the was the launch the earbuds and watch last year i thought those were all together we were talking about them all together at first oh you might be right so it might have all been this year and they've lost launched two watches in the yeah process right uh apple intelligence got both announced at wbc and is half out because we're still missing siri uh the fediverse got a really big push blue sky is big and now threads is big threads by the way did the day before today they announced they have 300 million users now and 100 million wait did threads come out this year no that was last year it was last year okay yeah it was last july okay which is crazy because i i literally remember where i was the moment i made my account and because i have that so vivid in my head it doesn't feel it feels like it was this year but also the restaurant i was in is now out of business so it's clearly was a while ago yeah uh okay we had the huawei trifold which is very strange got announced the same day as the iphone the tesla cyber cab event

59:04google bard rebranding to gemini technically happened this year bring it back bard was better and the scarlet johansson ai uh voice mode thing controversy controversy happened yeah so the funny thing about this is like most of these were in the second half of the year it doesn't seem like a ton of stuff happened at the beginning besides uh the human there was like vision pro the cyber truck the ai pin ai pin when was the cyber truck they were gadgety for the first start of the year it feels like yeah yeah an ai the rabbit r1 is it oled that super thin ipad was like mid-year yeah that was like june or something wow uh yeah it was a pretty big 2024 if i had to pick the thing that wasn't on my bingo card it's apple announcing a phone and its main selling point not fully coming out till yeah literally the next calendar year yeah yeah wouldn't have guessed that it's very off brand i did not have the orion glasses on my bingo card i think that was an interesting surprise uh because we all saw the headsets start to come out and we assumed the smart glasses thing was super far away but to actually have them go on stage and just be like here we're not ever going to sell this but we still are like prototyping check this thing out that was kind of out of the blue it's cool i think that just in itself having a company that big announce something and publicly saying this isn't for sale we're not going to sell this and immediately make money on it?

1:00:35Stock price. True. So yes, they're making plenty of money on it, but I didn't have that on my bingo card of making the correct decision of not immediately just trying to sell to everyone. Or do you have a sick bingo card? They were all on your bingo card. Bingo! Let's go. CyberCab event? Was that on your bingo card? No. There's a lot at that event. Is that the thing that was not on your bingo card? Well, that's another thing that was on my bingo card. Like Blue Sky coming back having the year that it did, especially the last few months, was not on my bingo card. And yeah, the Cyber Cab, all the things that happened at that event were also not on my bingo card.

1:01:14Because a lot of people were thinking Model 2 has got to be the next thing they show. It's got to be this smaller version of the Model 3 for these markets that we need a$25 ,000 car. Like that's what a lot of people thought was coming from Tesla. Yeah. So this was just kind of different. We've had like multiple episodes where we said there were reports that the Model 2 got canceled. And then Elon said, no, they haven't been. And then the reports were like the Model 2 is now just the cyber cab. So it's gone back and forth quite a bit. Yeah, I didn't have it on my bingo card that Google would like just force everyone to use the search generative experience no matter what.

1:01:52That was definitely not on my bingo card. because that felt to me like they are literally just playing with fire allowing their robots to answer people's questions and not even like yeah yeah wait that was that was this year as well oh my goodness yeah that like you're right eat three rocks a day thing pulling things from reddit yeah yeah that's and just like how much they blew up their own search it felt like like i know google has slowly been making their search absolutely miserable yeah but man they hit it home they really hit it home they hit their goal yeah so what about you guys you guys have anything i think the thing that wasn't on my bingo card the most was how quickly everyone forgot about the apple vision pro yeah like it came out it was a huge deal we spoke about it constantly they use video of the year yeah it has like random resurgences like people on social media that discover a new cool thing you do with it and everyone's excited about or ellis and everyone's excited about it for like another couple days and then it kind of just like fades into the background again yeah and like for an apple product a new vr basically apple like that's just weird to me it went from like people taking like candid videos of themselves outside like crossing the street poking things and it was everywhere and then it's just nowhere i think you really need something to have that reason to come back to it every single day if you don't want it to just be a blip in the news and they just don't have that right now so it could be like an original iphone where not a lot of people buy it initially and then later on it just becomes crazy popular but right now it's uh it's looking a little bleak this here's an interesting stat for the video we made about it okay it blew up obviously it was one of the biggest videos of the year in the first week it had 22.9 million views like a lot of people who weren't ever going to buy it were just watching that video it has since gotten roughly 1 million views in the last 300 days wow so the chart is just yeah and people just stopped talking about caring yeah that's crazy it's interesting what i didn't also did not have my on my bingo card is uh google fi still not supporting rcs that's so funny the iphone on the iphone that really bugs me i was thinking about switching to google fi and i'm probably not if you're on your iphone it will not like you can't do rcs chats with android phones yet oh that's why i was trying to text marquez yesterday and that's why it didn't work because i'm on google fi on the iphone yeah yeah i started noticing a lot of people i mean obviously they updated to ios 18 but i started getting the the rcs typing indicators so i've been on android and i'm not used to getting the typing indicators and when i did see one i'd be like oh another android person that's so cool now i see it i'm like yeah everyone's got these now which is cool i get to see when people are typing i did expect all the misinformation that people are spreading about rcs yeah yeah that's stuff but pretty classic that's fun honestly what wasn't on my bingo card was discovering i love vision pro I've like chilled out a little bit, you know, but damn there was like a month or two where it was just like I was it I was in that thing you were like all day every day You've been in it within the last month.

1:05:15Yeah. Yeah, no, it's it rocks man. It's so it's so dope. It's like Do you want to tell people what you're using it for specifically literally just computing So you're just on the computer, but with the headset on. So your environment's different. Like, yeah, I sit at my desk and I do my normal work, but I'm wearing Vision Pro and I'm in Hawaii and it's nighttime. Like, that's the vibe. Like, I don't really know. A bigger screen and cooler environment. Bigger screen, cooler environment, less distractions. I don't I don't I'm not a developer like I don't pay for the developer beta pass. So I'm still waiting for, is it 2.2 or 2.2.1?

1:05:59Whichever one adds the ultra-wide display. Right. Because that's going to be a game changer for me. I was going to mention that. So the, because the, you know, we're not going to get a Vision Pro 2 anytime soon. No. But I always feel like when you get a first-gen product, that's the company trying to see what's interesting about it and see what sticks. and the closest we have to a vision pro 2 which is when they learn okay this is what worked here's what their direction will go is the software updates they've put out yeah and the fact that they're improving the specifically the the mac connectivity and like adding an ultra wide and adding more capabilities there what people really like tells me it tells me that that's one of the primary uses of the vision pro it's just it's the resolution the resolution is so good it's so high Like it just feels so natural to use.

1:06:48And then being able to like, typically what I do is I have all my work stuff on the virtual display and then like Slack, I'm running the Vision Pro app for and it's like floating off to the side. And then because of universal control, my mouse will automatically go from my computer to the Vision Pro. It's just like - You know, I really don't like though. I used it with the Mac mini the other day. And if you're not using a magic keyboard and magic mouse, you cannot see your keyboard and mouse. It only recognizes the Apple stuff. Same with the trackpad. You can't see it. But I figured out the perfect environment setting to where I can still see my hands.

1:07:26Oh, yeah. And then when you have it at that halfway, little past halfway point, if you're in a nighttime environment, even though the environment's mostly in front of you, if you turn around, it matches the lighting in the room you're in. Dimms the room. Dimms the room. It's so... would it be weird if we were all wearing vision pros all day in the studio yes yeah well maybe it wouldn't be weird because we'd all be in our own environments we wouldn't even notice yeah i'd be in hawaii yeah i'd be a crane yosemite no one even thought about it everyone's just like yes i'm just like when you're describing i'm like maybe i should do that more often and then i'm picturing like several people in the office doing it i'm like what if we all did i don't want the nightmares of saying hey marquez and having you turn around in your eyes that was bothering people for a minute i was reviewing that just walking around people were like i can't talk to you i was like yeah that's fair you you walked into the studio like a few weeks ago when i was wearing it and you just stopped by my desk and stared at me i did you said you said right this is how the world is now i remember you've got bug eyes yeah i wonder if samsung's gonna do that with theirs with the eyes on the outside probably not a great question probably not yeah all right so we should make some predictions for 2024 yeah 2025 well let's look at our predictions from last year and then make our predictions okay sure yeah okay cool let's do that um all right so this was last year we have a split up of these david said multi multimodal ai is going to take off and be integrated into everything adam said that was the safest prediction possible that's true would we say I would say it got integrated into everything.

1:09:09I wouldn't necessarily say it took off. I wouldn't say everything. I would say the important things. It got integrated into like Google. The things we expected, I feel like. There's visual search on the iPhone right now. That's basically multimodal. There's Gemini has the back and forth with what am I looking at kind of thing. There's the Ray-Ban meta glasses. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. I think that would be a successful prediction. Yeah. I do agree. Yeah. It hasn't taken off quite as much. Even though if I'm talking about AI stuff, that's probably the one. Except for if you just want to know what person's dog is, just ask them what the dog is.

1:09:45Don't ask them to take a picture. Don't get down on one night and ask them if I can take a picture of their dog and then figuring out everything. Yeah. How old's your dog? Don't tell me. Don't tell me. How old is this dog? I need the AI to do. Is he a good boy? I got it. It's Charlie now. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that's a fair prediction. all right marquez you had Hasselblad releases a camera and one that shoots 8k video or video at all he's so or video he said or video at all but it's 8k here's the problem everything that you just said i'm looking up the x2d release date so the x2d came out in september 2022 and i'm pretty sure they promised it would shoot video with a software update and it still doesn't yeah they yeah i don't remember the x1d at least had a section on the camera yeah in the software that said video and it said coming soon and it just never it never added and the x2d the x2d is the number one camera where i'm like i don't need it i don't need it i don't need it there is no reason for me to have an x2d but i want it so bad and i'm like maybe i could just fight if i could occasionally shoot like handheld video clips on and i could use them at home or whatever and i'm fairly sure even though it came out before 2024 they still never added video so yeah i think I failed here.

1:10:59I think they did not announce any cameras with video and that's just how the world is. They also just got rid of the video section entirely on the next one. On the X2D? Yeah. So they didn't even promise it? No. They walked back. Yeah. You don't even get the hope. I think this was more of a hope than a prediction. Yeah. But it didn't come true. Ellis, you said holograms. Okay, so I just want to say if you're... Look, look, look, look listen all you haters all right look sure maybe we haven't seen him in the news but if you're like me and you're deep in that hologram web community you would know that the two leading companies voxon photonics has uh voxon photonics and lightfield labs have made great developments in their products this year voxon photonics new i forget what the name of it is i think they just call it like the voxon display it looks great it has a new housing you can buy one for six to eight hundred dollars it's pretty sweet uh lightfield labs seems a little more and more kind of scammy but um but but i'm not gonna call it because i still have faith they had a press release a few days ago that they just you can now go see one of their hologram machines at the SETI Institute.

1:12:21So that's pretty cool. Lookingglass also came out with some products this year. They came out with the one that attaches to your computer and it's like a little side-by-side display. And they also, you can integrate it with ChatGPT now and it'll talk to you, which is interesting. And it looks like they have like a 3D volumetric picture frame thing now too. Okay, so I'm not an expert in this, but I'm about to drop what little knowledge I have. So the CEO of Voxon did this cool interview a little bit ago where he was like, we got to drop the word hologram because holograms refer to this thing like, if I understand it correctly, like this proto display thing that David just mentioned.

1:13:11And if I'm looking at the right thing. Like looking Glasgow? Yeah. Yeah. Which is a hologram the way we know it. like those things that you like move side to side and it like gives perspectives you know what i mean what voxon and lightfield labs are developing are called volumetric displays which is think of a display but instead of pixels we have these things called voxels which are 3d pixels um so they're sort of slightly like this is still pixels just with like perspective information the other ones have voxels anyway so while i will concede there were bigger news stories this year the volumetric display train just keeps on a rolling fair enough true how close are we to i'm gonna embarrass myself is it the first star wars that they had princess leia yeah yeah how close are we to that uh i don't know so the big thing right now is both of these companies it seems like they're these self-contained uh things like think of like a fish tank and then it can exist in there.

1:14:11And then you could walk a full 360 degrees around this thing and you're still able to see it. But as far as like throwing a projection. That's still pretty specialized. I don't know if that exists yet. Right. I think a lot of people have not yet figured out totally how to commercialize hologram technology, but there is still a group of very dedicated people who want to make it a reality just because they want to make Star Wars again, you know? yeah like sure so that's cool and i think that will keep advancing uh over time so yeah let's go to the next one we got so i was watching it back and i like i don't think i ever actually said one whether i was scared or got caught up in it um i did agree with something david said which was a major software redesign for the apple watch i don't believe that they did have a software redesign but it wasn't like major yeah it wasn't major yeah they kind of just tacked on tiles which is like a feature I would not say that came true yeah we thought they would have everyone thought there would be like a crazy 10th gen new redesign for the whole watch well it got thinner it looks exactly the same as the last one it's like alright you made it thinner which is nice it's nice that it's thinner I believe the exact words we used last year when we were talking about this was a complete redesign of the watch.

1:15:33That did not happen. We were picturing Moto 360s. They hyped it up like it was a complete redesign. They did talk about it. From the ground up, the lightest Apple watch we've ever made. And then Adams, which I really liked, he said we're going to stray away from transparent tech and get more colors. What are you talking about? It's been all about transparent tech this year. What transparent tech came out this year? All of it. The ones that already were stayed transparent. They made a whole video about it. Yeah, I think there's just as much transparent tech as there is new colorful tech. And I will argue the colors just continue to get less colorful.

1:16:15Bro, I ordered a purple iPad accidentally and thought it was silver for like a week before Adam told me that's purple. So desaturated. Okay, counterpoint, counterpoint, iPhone 16s, really saturated. More saturated than they Exactly. Rabbit R1, the most orange thing a human being has ever made. CMF. CMF, no transparent stuff there. Get him, Ellis! Yeah, let's go! Let's get him! I'm pretty sure every single new iMac is less saturated than the iMac before it from generations. All of the pro iPhones are still just like more and more silver, essentially. They're like the LaCroix of colors. It just doesn't feel like we're getting super colorful.

1:16:59you make a good point with rabbit though that was a color that essentially broke cameras you know we did get a lot of this year you are right about the iMacs you know we did get a lot of this year that I'm like very glad we got a lot of weird game console stuff like there was there's always new special editions of the playstation? no of the analog pocket analog pocket that like game boy thing yeah they always do new colors and new like fun things but then we got the Arms Dealer Game Boy this year. It's colorful too. It was Palmer Luckey's Game Boy. We got an Arms Dealer Game Boy. We got a bunch of new weird Amber Nick handhelds which are like the weird Chinese ROM.

1:17:44Is that the stuff that you find on Dead Whales sometimes? Wait, what? Adam gets it. You can keep going. Amber? Ambergris. Oh. I'm not hanging around. we can just keep going. I don't know. It just, it fell. And then, um, PSI Pro. PS, well, yeah, yeah. But Analog also came out, or at least announced its N64 redo this year as well. So yeah, I don't know. There's like a lot of really cool retro gaming stuff. They're just shoveling nostalgia onto people. They are. They really are. They're like, what if we had what you had in your childhood, but it was metal? And you would pay$400 for it. Yeah. And everyone who did have it during their childhood is very excited about it.

1:18:28Yes. And everyone who didn't have it during their childhood, at least I'm speaking for some of them, are very confused. Yeah. Like, oh, you want a Game Boy again, but more expensive. And you still have to buy the cartridges. Okay. Cool. To Adam's point, a lot of these things are very colorful. That was my point. No, that's fair. I wish things were more colorful. Yeah. I agree. Cool. We did get some transparent stuff, though. That's true. Do we want to do our predictions real quick i am unprepared but i will think of one i will try i have one i had one and i forgot kick us off if you have hit us my prediction is someone will get the ai wearable right disagree someone will get the but i hope but so like do the meta ray-ban glasses so that is where my head went to but not everyone is just walking around wearing meta ray-ban glasses like if you have them you have them you love them i'm sure i i want a pair but i wouldn't say they're right i think they're the closest but i think this year someone will get it right when you if you define get it right is that like it's in the zeitgeist regular people are buying like it's a success people people i wouldn't say people are buying it but people want it because there's levels to success there's airpods which is like amazing success but there's also tesla model 3 success and there's also you know canon or sony a6000 which is like in a community that's into this stuff it's very successful i would consider an a6000 to be a complete success yeah okay if they get much more successful than even like an ace so you probably never see them on the street but everyone who knows knows yeah and everyone who knows wants one okay like even if it's like google pushes a software update to the pixel buds if it's like the meta ray-bans get significantly more powerful like something like that do you think google's gonna release the new glasses that they keep teasing?

1:20:17Yeah, I have so many thoughts. Google Glass 3. Does AirPods getting Apple Intelligence count? No, because Apple Intelligence isn't there yet. But if it gets it, if there's some amazing Siri talking, translating something. Yeah, if it comes out and it blows everyone away, I will consider that a success. Interesting, okay. I think that all of the AI big stuff is just going to like your expectations need to lower and then that'll be where it's at in your phone. It'll be like RIP Google Assistant. Pour one out. I miss you. Gemini is just going to be like doing more stuff and Siri is just going to do more stuff.

1:21:06Is that a cold take? That's definitely going to happen. We thought it was going to happen this year. I don't think there's going to be a separate wearable that really takes off. Well, I can segue into my prediction. So my prediction will either be I think right or super wrong. Rabbit R2. I think they survive long enough but since it's not subscription based and it is taking compute power for each person that could potentially still be using it they'll need to release a new one so that they can charge money for it. I don't think it'll be much different. I don't think it will have a lot of success.

1:21:43but I would not be surprised if we got a rabbit R2. That's a good pick. And if we don't I wouldn't be surprised if that's because rabbit folded. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of that you know how humane recently was like hey guys you can use our OS if you pay us money. Because they recently were like Cosmos isn't just for the humane AI pin. It's anything. Oh I missed that. Yeah this was like three weeks ago. They like did this whole press thing being like we spent so much money and time I'm engineering this AI OS for the AI pin. You could actually use this in like a car or something if you wanted to. And they were basically just trying to vet like people to use them as an AI OS company instead of as an AI hardware company.

1:22:27So I don't know if they're going to make any sales, but I think Humane gets sold this year. I wouldn't be surprised. Okay. They successfully do what they've been trying to do. probably not to HP but probably to someone else to Fisker will they be sold for more or less than Juan Soto's current contract $765 million Jesus Christ I think that's actually a great number to be looking at for that it could be less easily but it could be more easily because their sales do you care about the sales or the talent you're acquiring the talent because there is like... Oh, I guess I said current content. I think the talent...

1:23:11There are some talented people over there. The talent's kind of been exposed at this point. Dang. It's tough. It is tough. They have designers, clearly, but they also have a long way to go. Yeah. That is a good over-under. It's a great over-under. I have no idea. I would say 500 million. Haven't they raised that much? They raised more than 400 million, I think? No. I mean, it's hard to know exactly how much they raised because they don't have to publicly disclose it, but it seems like estimated they raised in between 200 and i'm gonna say 310 million dollars so if they could sell for juan soto money that's pretty cool that's pretty cool that'd be good for them yeah yeah you could just around for eight years and net like 500 mil yeah that's just called the roadster so it's welcome to silicon valley um i've come up with a with a prediction okay let's hear it that i'm excited for uh the browser wars are back yeah okay the browser wars at least heat up again and are interesting because at this point it feels pretty stable it feels like people who use safari use safari people who use chrome use chrome people who use alt browsers use alt browsers and there's a little bit of people like sometimes leaving chrome for oh i switched to arc you know there's a couple people doing the the browser dance but i think maybe with all this antitrust with some some google pressure and maybe with maybe a new search engine or maybe apple does something interesting with safari i think we could see some version of the browser wars heating up whether it's on desktop or mobile do you think chrome has to be either sold or divested this year i don't think it has to happen for the browser wars to heat up but i think yeah just something something happening whether it's the default uh search engine being a thing that kind just gets up for grabs in some major browser or something happens in 2025 i think that could heat up the browser worth it could be fun a lot of people are trying to re-architect what the browser browser looks like right now oh yeah i think it's a long shot personally but it'll be interesting to watch yeah every once in a while i open up safari on the mac again because it's a laptop and i'm like wow my battery life could be so much better yeah and then like an hour later i'm like safari Never mind.

1:25:24Lame. Damn. Never mind. Because I've been having the opposite experience where I was like, you know what, Ellis? Like, you're boring. Like, let's try another browser. And then I was like, Safari has tab groups now. Stay in here, brother. Yeah, every eight months they add like an old feature that every other old browser has had. And they go, look at this thing we invented. And everyone goes, all right, Safari is pretty good. Yeah, Ellis is just over the moon. It's good. It's good that they add stuff. Yeah, that's my prediction. okay my prediction and you i've said it before i'll say it again microsoft will not be adding live translations to any product they ship in 2025 you heard it here first not even team's video and you know what you know what was really awesome just to like uh just to make sure i had all the facts i needed to make that prediction i google microsoft ads live translation press release yeah I found articles from every year for the past five years saying Microsoft's adding live translation.

1:26:28Really? Every year. It's just, at a certain point, it's like their Christmas party invite. You know what I mean? It's like the Tesla full self-driving. Anyway, so Microsoft, if you're listening, prove me wrong. This could be the year. I will. What are you willing to do if they add it? Oh, I'm a man of character, of good moral character. I will admit that I'm wrong. I will get right up here and I'll sit at the big table and be like, Microsoft, he'll lay across the table. I didn't believe you. But, you know, I'll really eat my words in public and be willing to be the guy who is wrong. But I just like.

1:27:06Will you shave your head? No. What is it? Will you take a dab of the bomb? The bomb. While crying. A dab's not that bad. I don't think you can do that. A teaspoon. I will. I think if a hundred engineers get together and build this impossible thing in the next year, then you should take a dab of the bomb. Yeah, I'll let's let I'll eat something like on Believably spicy in this room. I don't know if it'll be a dab of the bomb. I don't know We while giving your concession speech. Yeah Well, um, we'll figure out the specifics. Yes, Microsoft Okay, if you're able to do the impossible and make good on your word that again you started promising almost 15 years ago at this point I will melt my taste buds and if it does not happen Satya has to do that for you if it's sure he's in on it he's listening right now obviously yeah honestly Satya if it doesn't happen just send me one of the hard hats that you sell with HoloLens and sign it and like that's enough for me I mean I have a lot of questions of things I don't think will happen in 2025 but that's a little more boring Roadster Roadster is not happening in 2025 Cyber Taxi is not happening in 2025 Reboven is not happening in 2035.

1:28:19Reboven's never happening. Maybe Jaguar has some interesting predictions around it. Do they ship a car that people buy? I thought the whole thing was that it wasn't. Copy. Their release wasn't until 2026 anyways. Well, never mind. What do you think the Pixel 10 is going to look like next year? Oh, that's a fun one because we think that the Tensor chip finally does the thing. Tensor 5 is supposed to be TSMC based. That could be good. Yeah. I want that to be good. i don't i don't want to fall in the trap of making a prediction of just something i want to happen yeah that's what i've done before but this is a year for pixel 10 do you think google will have a big uh like splashy redesign of the hardware because it's the 10th the 10th one because the nine is already very refined so i think they do the tick tock strategy of updating the outside then the inside and the outside so there we had this new flat visor thing this year outside get updated but tensor still tensor i think pixel 10 inside gets rejuvenated very exciting i think pixel 11 outside gets changed again but that's 2026 i think that's a fair prediction yeah okay well we should take a break we should we should come back we've talked our faces off um before that one more trivia question you got i was thinking really hard at the end of that he's worried no no no no I'm just trying to think if I I've talked so much here I was just like do I have any other predictions I have a thing for next for the next after the ad break okay it is an optimistic question okay what's that that all right question number two project muhan remember google daydream when it was announced in may of 2016 oh man google said that it would be built into the next release of their Android operating system, which was...

1:30:14Oh, I think I know this. Question mark, question mark, question mark. So what operating system? Yep. I think I know this. I always just assume I get these ones wrong. I have a guess, but yeah. I will accept the number or the treat that it was named after. I'm right, unless I'm wrong, in which I was just kidding. Same. Great hedge. Great hedge. On that note, we'll be right back.

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1:32:03With LinkedIn ads, you can target the right people by industry, job title, and more. Start converting your B2B audience today. Spend$250 on your first campaign and get a free$250 credit for the next one. Get started today at linkedin.com slash campaign. Terms and conditions apply. All right. Welcome back. Andrew, you've got two more things to close us out for the whole year. No pressure. That was way more pressure than I was expecting. Okay. Last year, we did worst product of the year. I think we all kind of know a few things we already just made fun of half the worst products of the year so let's do favorite product of the year maybe that's I'll open it up to this favorite product that got released this year or favorite thing product you bought this year so I'll let it be a little more open I mean I have one pretty obvious one that I'm using oh one right in front of me this is that's okay so what is it first for audio listeners yeah so for me it's both I bought this one and i reviewed this this year it's the m4 macbook pro it has the uh nanotexture display and how's it holding up for those wondering i mean i have taken really good care of it and it's holding up fine it does have a couple little marks on it that aren't coming off but in general when i'm looking at it from reasonable angles it looks fantastic and i almost like forget that there are things I could be reflecting like it looks that good all the time so it's been incredible it's super performant I have all my stuff on it I got rid of my home Mac studio and I now plug this into a dock and so I have all my documents and everything this computer goes with me everywhere this is this is a good one yeah and this is because you had an m1 before the m1 max when was the last time you didn't hop on like the newest because like you're always pushing that And it's what I've thought is really impressive about the M series is it got Marques Brownlee to not immediately upgrade and wait three iterations before actually.

1:34:08Yeah, I didn't. I mean, again, it's it was the two main things that I do on my laptop, which is all the everyday around the studio stuff. And then once in a while, I need to edit a video on my laptop. And so I could use a MacBook Air. I could use any laptop for 99 percent of the stuff. but it's for, oh, I will also need to go to the Apple event and edit the entire video in the hotel room while I'm there. That two, three times a year thing requires a powerful machine with a high resolution display. And I went with the 14 inch laptop this time. Hopefully that doesn't come back to bite me. I have not edited a video on it yet, but I think I can.

1:34:43And I can mess with the window sizes and do my coloring and probably get it done. So it's been awesome for the 99%. I'm waiting for having to edit a video, but it's been phenomenal. What about for the 1 %? The 1 % of things where I'm just editing a video? Well, you said it's awesome for the 99%. Well, the 99 % is all the daily activities that are not editing videos. I was trying to make like a really wealthy people joke. Sorry. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. So great laptop. Came out this year. I bought one this year. It's good. Cool. Yeah. mine is the anbernic rg35 sp which is a gameboy events sp clone um rom machine and i had a lot of fun with it i got to this year i played a lot of games from my childhood that i like never finished because my attention span was too short and i actually finished them so that was good um and it would cost me like 40 so it was a pretty good pretty good purchase i also want to shout out the pixel buds pro 2 because i have fully switched over to them i really like them um they also have a nice mint color mint great color i really like that they have um they have dual what do they call it when the bluetooth can connect to multiple devices a multi-point yeah a multi-point bluetooth which in my opinion if you don't have an ipad and you have a computer and a phone because it connects to two things that's like all i need and it is like more stable than the h2 chip in my airpods pro was before then wow i like the shape more um yeah i like them a lot they're cool sweet i think mine is a keyboard obviously but i think a keyboard that's more suited towards the gamer, the person out there that doesn't want to build it.

1:36:35There's the ZenBlade 65. It is a Hall Effect keyboard, which has been super popular this year. But it's a Hall Effect keyboard that has a great build quality and stock feels and sounds very good. I think if you wanted to upgrade it, all you would have to do is buy a nice set of keycaps and maybe lube the stabilizers, which you can do without taking the whole thing apart. Other than that, great build quality. Hall Effect is really awesome for gaming. And if you get the silver one, which I think is the only version, and you get the silver MKBHD escape key, it matches Chef's Kiss. Looks great. With the black logo.

1:37:09The black logo, yeah. Sick. It's like$300 still, but most gaming keyboards are like$200 to$300 at this point. Especially Hall Effect, it feels like. What about you guys? Mine is the Marvel Unlimited subscription. I got really into reading comics this year and just having that like backlog of comics to go through has been awesome like anytime that you're just bored sitting on the subway or something you just whip that out and read for a bit it's pretty cool ellis i don't know there wasn't really a lot i mean vision pro is cool but i would ever i would ever buy that you got your keyboard that didn't really come out this year yeah but you got it this year that's true i do like that thing a lot but my the piano I have at home but even that thing has some flaws.

1:37:57I was gonna say Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 but it's unplayable garbage so I would actually change my answer to Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 which is an unbelievably terrific experience. Cool and I'm assuming way cheaper now. I have Game Pass so I couldn't tell you but I can't wait till 2024 works because then I will switch but until then i'll be stuck on 2020 awesome cool one more thing to wrap it up this worked well last year we want to do our favorite soundbite of the year soundbites again they're in our shows a lot but i don't think people understand how much we play them in the this room yeah it's probably 10 times more than it is on the podcast but i think a bunch of us have some favorite ones whether they were this year or not will be very hard to remember do you want to throw us through a couple greatest hits from this year or do you have a few sure yeah i mean we could start off with the classic that made it on this year that i don't think we'll ever leave and it is this one that's that's fine that's that's what i wrote down yeah it's it's do people know what that is it's david making like a party making a party wait can you recreate it right now perfectly it's gonna be so much worse it only happens when you don't try you can't do a magic trick twice you You just got to do it once.

1:39:21Once or it's luck. Twice or it's luck. Yeah. I could do it perfectly. I just don't feel like it. Also, shout out to the people that also watch the studio channel and notice that Ellis put that in that section. Did people know that? Yeah. That's the reason why I think it's my favorite. It expanded outside of the podcast. Did you only use it in studio? Was it in a main channel at all? No, it's never been on the main channel yet. Smartphone awards intro. I just sit down with a suit on. So that was my favorite. I was pretty sure you were going to play it. It was a great one. Then there is also this.

1:39:58I don't remember this was this year either, but personally, it's one of my favorite. I just don't get to use it a lot. Do you have birds? I got birds, boy. That was this year, yeah? That was this year? I believe so, because I think I got the bird feeder this year. Bird buddy, do you still have birds? I need to find a new way to stake it into my ground, and I've been very distracted. I need to get it up again. It's also freezing outside. Maybe you could use a pork chop. There's still birds, but it's... Pork chop? Yeah. What? He staked it into the ground. My favorite soundbite of this year was not in an actual episode because Andrew said it while we were soundchecking.

1:40:35But Andrew dropped this bad boy on us a few months ago. Squeeze. Nice. I thought it was going to be something crazy. I was very worried. What did we say? I rewatched last year and the majority of them were... Don't worry, I have plenty of crazy ones. I don't even know what this one is. We have so many crazy Wave 4 moments. Do you remember this? I'm not making up a frittata! Yes, vividly. That was one of the best episodes. Was that the trivia episode? It was 2.15. I don't remember what that was. I just remember talking about Oof Coquit. I was gone that week because I remember I came back and you guys kept reciting it.

1:41:19I was like, What are you talking about? Oh, it was a trivia question. I think it was a question. Right. And then everyone said you didn't know what a frittata is. And I was like, really? Yeah. Well, yeah. Yeah. That's fine. No, I know. Wait. That's fine. I mean. This is very off track. Do you remember when you pinged everyone on our Discord to ask them if they knew what a plum was? But that was not 2020. No, no, it was not. It just feels like the. Have we told people about that? It's the only time in our Discord everyone has ever been pinged. And we were just having a debate on if people knew what plums were.

1:41:51Like I needed data. I needed a sample size. And hey, listen, some people. So we were talking about it in the studio. Yeah. And somehow fruits came up and then plums came up. And I think someone said, I don't think I've ever eaten a plum. And someone else was like, what do you mean you've never eaten a plum? Yeah. Everyone's had a plum. And then the debate was like, wait, no, plums are not a common fruit. So then we had this whole like, have you ever had a plum before? A lot of people I know have never had a plum before. and we had to figure it out so I went to the discord and I said at all at everyone I need to know if you even know what a plum is and then what did you do and then I hit send and then and then I just like the joker just just walked away from the experience exactly you closed discord and walked away but we got a ton of answers and I think it was close to 50-50 there was actually like a reasonable position in that debate which is plums are not very common but some people find it crazy that they're not there they are delicious though they're great they're great if you made it this far in the episode comment if you've had a plum before or if you know what a plum is or if you don't even know what a plum is that'd be great uh yeah well you know here's here's to another year of waveform and great sound bites and hopefully learning about egg dishes and all sorts of fruits we've never heard of um thank you for watching and listening and making this year possible, I think the only thing left to do is end with trivia.

1:43:15There was a conversation that somehow went from cannibalism into... It was David.

1:43:26That's a good one. That's a great one. Question number one. Which of the following cities has Samsung unpacked never been held in? A. Seoul, South Korea. Yeah, South Korea. I don't know why. You can just say Korea. Sorry, guys. South Korea. Two, B, Barcelona, Spain. I don't know why I said two. I'm really losing it here. Three, Tampanese, Singapore. Or D, Amsterdam, Netherlands. My last brain cell is like barely hanging on today. I don't know what's happening. I'm doing the thing where I think I'm answering the trick question. Yeah. Which always means I'm wrong. Yeah. That means I'm wrong too.

1:44:09But are you right? sounds like we're oh oh we all pick different things oh okay well i said seoul which is funny because samsung's headquartered there so i figured that they did that funny non-answer last year they did exactly and that was their first one in korea oh that's the one i didn't go to so two years ago they did in paris i'll say why i picked this as a trick question i said barcelona because i assumed it was mwc yeah not unpacked it was well there was an impact at mwc It was Samsung at MWC? Samsung has been referring to their event as Unpacked since long before it was its standalone event.

1:44:47They referred to their MWC thing as Unpacked. I went to that one. That's kind of why I assumed I was wearing that one. I put Amsterdam? Amsterdam is correct. It has never made it to Amsterdam. And I just want to say, on the theme of tech companies writing their own blogs and spreading misinformation about themselves in these blogs, Samsung, you have two blog posts. one of which says that the very first Galaxy Unpacked was in Las Vegas in 2010. And you have another blog post that says the very first Unpacked was in Singapore in 2009. So make up your mind, I guess. Quick update on the score. Marquez with one.

1:45:28Andrew with one, two. He's carrying it, folks. Zero. While Marquez carries the one. We got it. David in the lead with three after that correct question. Chill, slow down. Call me Wolverine with my three claws. He's got six, but sure. So, remember Google Daydream? Yeah. Which operating system was it built into first, after it was announced in May of 2016? But there's a difference between going down like this and going down like that. Well, they have jets attached to them. Yeah, so the jets push them forward. And as long as the force pushing them forward is higher than gravity. It's like a fish swimming through water.

1:46:09Yes, gravity's pulling the fish down, but there's a certain force holding the fish up, which is the water. Shareholder value. Shareholder value. That was a soundbite, by the way. Audio listeners. Shareholder value. I still get people tweeting at me that say, but how do boats work, David? Shareholder value. Flip them and read. What do we got? Hoof. Very close. David? I said nougat. Correct. I said seven. Correct. Andrew? I said seven nougat. I said nine. Wrong. I meant no. That's not right. With our powers combined, Marquez, we could know any questions. I looked at nougat and I was like, that's seven.

1:46:54Oh, that's seven. That's six. Great. Yeah. Okay. Thanks for sticking with us. Many more trivia questions, many more episodes, many more fun news topics and things coming up in 2025. wow this feels weird to say that out loud 2025 right around the corner we'll see you then bye see you next year nintendo switch to nintendo switch i'm the dad i'm supposed to make this see you next year joke oh yeah guys i have an announcement got it no outro no nothing

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