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16:13Marques Brownlee:It's like a burgundy color.

16:15David Imel:It's true. Initially, my thought of burgundy was wrong. I thought there was a little more red. I guess I was thinking more of like a maroon-ish, but it's far more like brown-purple than I thought it was going to be. It's a Cabernet.

16:30Marques Brownlee:It does look like wine. In the sun, though, in the bright lights, there is like a metallic reflective fleck in it. There is, especially on the back clasp. So it has like a shiny shimmer to it, which is interesting. I don't love this matte black. I'm not going to lie. I can't believe how wrong you are.

16:47David Imel:I feel like you've got the tube right in front of you. Yeah, I feel like it kind of reflects the white balance of the room, and I can see some green in it right now. Are you trying to say something about our white balance? It's like a video tool? talk about my kelvin how can you call this a bad color i don't understand how you could call okay it's a confusing it's not that it's a bad color i would say that it is the worst color apple has ever made you are so insane it's true that is there are so many better colors just above that band-aid iphone color audio listeners are like what are we talking about right now i don't know i have a hard time because every time i look at it in a different light it looks different i'm like oh that's purple oh that's brown oh that's really dark oh that's kind of light i'm and every time I try and take a picture of what color I want it to look like, it turns out the other color.

17:32Marques Brownlee:Yeah. It's extremely confusing. Nothing has ever been that color before.

17:37David Imel:Nothing's usually see-through.

17:38Marques Brownlee:I'm gonna jump off a cliff. Just wanted to get that out the way. Okay, sure. Alright, we can talk about the other things in the phone. Obviously, this is not the biggest update iPhone this year in terms of like giant hardware upgrades. It was an improvement year in your review. You called it an S year. a lot of people don't remember the S years but they used to do that oh I feel old I know

18:00David Imel:the Reddit thread totally agreed with you they said calling this the S update is the most apt like TLDR of this entire

18:08Marques Brownlee:well the Redditors will remember like the 3GS versus the 3G the 4S versus the 4 the 5S versus the 5 you would get this like design this new design some new interesting things in the big number and then when you get the S it would be the faster one and maybe like one camera feature it's the Intel TikTok cycle yes tick and talk right so yeah that's what he said too so this iphone 18 pro design wise when visually people see us the same design they go oh it's not a big update fine it's the same design but the updates are a slightly new camera feature and new performance and new battery that's that's that's cooling better cooling yeah and better cool yeah um that being said those three things did get really interesting updates i think the chip update is underrated i think the variable aperture is a little overhyped from Apple, but it is interesting potentially for the future.

18:55Marques Brownlee:And then the battery, everyone loves a good battery and it's a great battery. So here we are with those three new things. Talk about the camera a little bit because I know it's the same sensors as the last year's phone, but they're doing different things with the primary cameras. Yeah. So I talked to the camera team a little bit because I went to Arizona for a week and tested these cameras. I was very impressed because I was taking photos both in just the HEIC modes and then also in ProRAW. I don't usually shoot in ProRAW because traditionally I found that ProRAW does the same artifacting that just straight out of the camera photos do where it over sharpens a little too much.

19:33It has that sort of plasticky smartphone look. So I was shooting a little bit of RAW through like Moment Camera 2. And then I just started using the main camera and shooting ProRAW and regular photos. and I was like, oh, a lot of that artifacting went away. The plasticky skin texture stuff is kind of gone and you don't get as much of a smartphone camera look in a lot of these images anymore. So I talked to the camera team and I was like, did you do something? And they said, oh yeah, we thought that the signal to noise ratio got good enough this year that we decided to pull, we re-engineered the image pipeline and we're doing way less sharpening now than we used to do.

20:10They also said because we added the texture modes, um in photographic styles that gives you access to you know more texture stuff sharpening softening whatever we don't need to do as much of that straight out of the camera so we like re-engineered the pipeline and in my opinion it's way better i really wonder if they're going to pull this onto

20:29Marques Brownlee:the iphone 17 pro or before or if it's just with this i have a feeling the wider aperture the f1.48 max aperture is partially responsible for that better signal to noise ratio which made them more comfortable with it just on 18 pros but we'll see i think that's probably true um but specifically the color and the texture i found much better so here's some samples um this is almost straight camera it was pro raw and i brought down the highlight in the sky a little bit and that was basically it i mean the gradient from like shadow into that's highlight is very something i've really noticed in all of these photos is that they kind of let the shadows lie where they are instead of like jacking them up as much as they used to really and it adds more contour to the photos in general i mean here's another one what's kind of crazy that i noticed was that a lot of the photos that i was taking felt like they could have been in the keynote because it there's generally a huge distinction between the keynote photos and the actual photos that you get out of the camera where keynote photos they go to like a desert and take outside pictures partially this is you're in

21:34David Imel:like an extremely beautiful place. Yeah. Some things are just super well lit, so I understand. But like, I mean, the kind of like texture and quality and the color is way more natural than I found. Is that a national park bathroom? Yeah. I get to have been anywhere. It was not a national park. Like a state park? That brown. Navajo park. I don't think that those are either. Yeah, probably. But yeah, if you just like, this one impressed me the most it was a telephoto 4x photo that is a pro raw image straight out of camera that's like zero changes and i understand that like in super bright environments when you're saturating those those pixels it's gonna look good no matter what scenario but like the texture and the color like the color is so natural that's what i was really surprised at um for audio listeners Just imagine super beautiful Arizona desert photos.

22:30David Imel:Red rocks. Yeah, very warm blue sky. This is not even pro-RAD. This is like HEIC, telephoto, straight-a-camera, no edits. Yeah. And I'm just like, overall, I was just like, this is crazy. The sun stars are fine. I don't, you know.

22:49Marques Brownlee:So the sun stars, you typically, okay. I've come from a long history of camera lenses like a lot of fun different camera lenses and the thing that people always try to get from like a cinematic uh lens flare is like the perfect like sun star or like lens flare and whenever you watch lens reviews from back in the day they always say the number of blades in the aperture and then show the types of sunbursts you can get from that number of blades oh there's nine blade aperture oh there's an 11 blade aperture so you can kind of get some of the same effects here if you stop down while you have a point light as you're in your source you can get one of these uh nice six blade yeah sun stars you can also add that by asking siri to add it uh but yeah that is that is one of the unique things about this one it's not wide open i do wish they had more than four aperture or six aperture blades because i don't know a six aperture sun star is just kind of kind of mid in my opinion.

23:47Give me like a 12. Yeah. Low light was still a weak point for it in my opinion. Like you can get a decent photo but it's definitely got more of the artifacting and sort of the compression in the lower light images. And I didn't put it in here I don't think but there was a I tried to do an astrophoto handheld and the pixel still just like far and away. Really? Far and away.

24:10David Imel:Yeah. I actually think that first photo was the most impressive to me just because of like the shadow yeah like yeah it's not just trying to make this hello bright see everything it's just i mean i felt that way about this too like it's true yeah the dark areas are really dark and i didn't do anything to that which i thought was which i thought was awesome it's nice to actually see some shadows yeah the telephoto again really cool it adds some natural depth of field um i just think the color straighted camera color is like really nice um yeah so yeah i was pretty impressed with this you can we're three for three with we said something and they listened bro we asked for

24:50Marques Brownlee:shadows yeah yeah sometimes yeah i i took a bunch of stuff i still am not i mean these are more subtle differences we're pointing out i still think in general it has a habit of seeing faces and lifting shadows i think when you turn i mess with tone sometimes so just force it to give me more shadows yeah um but yeah the photos were pretty great i was not you know shocked at the difference between wide open and f4 but i was like okay this is one of the subtle things you can now add to your things you can change in a photo yeah cool as i mentioned in the review i think this gives me more confidence that when they continue to go to larger sensors like give me like that one inch type sensor on an iphone now and variable aperture 100 i think that will make a bigger difference and will be more useful.

25:35It's funny because Sony themselves who are using 1.0 type sensors, their biggest problem on those smartphone cameras is that they have no variable aperture and everything's always out of focus. Yeah. It's tough. And blown out. They don't do that well either. But that's just Sony. I like the pro controls that they added to be able to change the shutter speed and things like that. You can only do one second though. I wish you could do a little bit longer. So you can do things like whip pans and like adding different effects and stuff like that. I think the variable aperture is going to be semi more useful in video because it'll allow you to have a little bit more creative control there.

26:14But overall, I kind of feel like people are not clamoring for a wider field of focus in their smartphone camera. Like that is usually. Yeah, usually the opposite because the thing that separates a smartphone from a dedicated camera has traditionally been depth of field. And so I don't think people are like, I want a less professional looking thing, which it's not always less professional. Anyway, it's a whole thing. I'm going to yell that by the photo community for this. But anyway, yeah, I was really surprised by the camera quality, the color and the texture. I think we're really awesome.

26:46Marques Brownlee:So then there was a new chip. There's the A20 Pro. And a couple interesting facts about it. One, it benchmarks the highest single core score ever in an Apple chip that we've ever tested. That's exciting. Two, in multi-threaded CPU tests, It's like M1 level. That's pretty exciting. And three, it's a two nanometer chip now. And so they did a couple interesting things to get a little bit more performance and efficiencies out of this chip. Obviously, two nanometer makes it easier for that. They moved the DRAM off of the CPU, like we said last episode, and put it next to it. So now you can cool the CPU more effectively.

27:23Marques Brownlee:So it has better peak performance and better longevity because of the better cooling, bigger vapor chamber and all that. Will a regular person notice any of this when just using it like a regular phone? No. And that's why they probably shouldn't get this phone. They should get the base phone whenever it comes out next year. But for the pros, if there are things that you are doing with like a longer processing time, you're exporting videos, you're gaming, you're doing stuff, this gives you more headroom and it's just a flat out impressive chip. Made me happy and excited for the MacBook Neo to get this chip.

27:53David Imel:Yes, yes. And all the compatible components. And all the compatible. I will also say like the bigger vapor chamber that I think is like 40 % bigger or something. It's quite a bit. I thought it was the surface area. Surface area, okay.

28:06Marques Brownlee:300. I mean, I was in Arizona in like 112 degree heat and the phone was not overheating and it was not getting super hot and I was taking a lot of photos and stuff like that. And that's a pretty big deal. Yeah, it's interesting the way that this is sort of panned out because I think a lot of people have started thermally measuring the outside of the phone. Yeah. And Mr. Who's the Boss did a good job explaining this in his video. that actually isn't the best, like isn't the most indicative of how well it's cooling the chip. If it's cooling the chip inside the phone really well, it's evacuating the heat to the outside of the phone.

28:38Marques Brownlee:So it can feel warmer in your hand and it can actually read warmer from the outside from a thermal camera, but that's because it's cooling the CPU inside better and moving the heat out. It's also less like concentrated heat in one area and it's that heat is spread across the entire phone. So it's less hot, but it's across the entire phone instead of just being on one little carry. Yeah, the whole mid-frame, the whole back of the display. So it'll feel, I did a bunch of benchmarks and that phone gets plenty hot in my hand. It feels warm in my hand, but it is scoring 25 % better on every single run because it's evacuating heat from the chip.

29:11Marques Brownlee:It's a more powerful chip. One thing that I found to be just colloquially, wait, is this not the right way to say this? One thing that I found to be slightly worse, but I think I would like to see some official testing because it can just be my experience was when they moved the face ID sensor to underneath the display on the top left of the phone. And it's similar to the iPhone Duo under display in our camera where they sort of like, they lower the resolution of that little area. And then in between those pixels, they put the face ID sensor, which is infrared cameras. And I have sort of noticed in my day-to-day that it's not grabbing my face as quickly and easily as I felt like it was on the 17 Pro.

29:51Like on the 17 Pro, it felt like the phone could be sitting on its face or it could be like face up on the table and it would notice my face from like here. It was like really wide. Apple told us that it was the same field of view and that should be able to capture the same thing. But I have had to input my password into my phone more often because it doesn't read my face at certain angles. I have not had any difference, but. Okay, so.

30:18David Imel:I wonder if that's just, it is the same field of view, but it is shifted to the side of the phone now. Right. Are you just used to, I'm not saying this is still a problem of it changing and people have to get used to it, but you nailed the perfect angle of what you're used to capturing and now that angle. Although, depending on what side it's on, I don't know. We took a microscope photo of those pixels and it's pretty cool. It's right where the one starts on the time and the left and right difference, you can see them. Also, you're welcome to everyone on Twitter who stole that image out of our and posted it everywhere.

30:51David Imel:I didn't even know that was ours. That was from our video. Because I saw it all over Twitter. I didn't know that was ours. That's funny. Yeah, so I don't know. I would like to wait to see some official testing on that. For now, I'm not sure. I have the regular Pro, and I've had the Max in previous years. Apple says that the battery life on the regular Pro is as good as the Max from last year.

31:10Marques Brownlee:Confirmed. I was making sure, this is just my own testing, I was making sure to have a couple days where it's not indexing, not benchmarking, not doing anything crazy, and just using the phone like regular. And on those days, I was like, oh, wow, this is really good. Like 52 % at the end of the day type stuff. I'm at 80-something right now. And this is my normal usage, like a bunch of CarPlay, a bunch of photos, a bunch of scrolling emails, stuff like that. It's been excellent for me. So the Pro Max, I'm sure, is really good too.

31:38David Imel:If you were true reviewers, you would have an 18 Pro and a 17 Pro Max and do the exact same thing every single input you put into the phone for a whole day. I think that is what Joanna Stern did in her video. That sounds like something Joanna Stern would do, and that's why she's the greatest. It had to do with a pickle, too, though. And that's exactly what Joanna Stern would do. Yeah. We love her. Yeah, so I know you're all waiting for the iPhone Duo. Hopefully, we'll have review units of that in a while. I don't know. But we're all very excited for that. We're wondering how the battery life's going to be.

32:08We're wondering how the experience is going to be.

32:10David Imel:I want to see it. October's going to go crazy. I'm so interested in it. I want to see the animation. I think it's so funny. all the people replicating animations to be like it wasn't that hard and every single one of them they open the phone and it's just black black black black black on and then animation it's like the reason this animation works well is because it's it looks like it's instantly on yeah maybe that's not the case yeah oh um also the charging sorry i want to just bring this up faster i couldn't say this on podcast because uh we were not allowed to say we had the phones yet uh but i have the a power brick that tells you how much power is going through the phone and it hit 40

32:45Marques Brownlee:watts which is pretty awesome i so i plugged it into like a super high widest charger my macbook pro charger and it was pulling 43 and then rich brought in his specifically his new 40 watt charger that will volt up to 60 right for apple devices or whatever yeah and it charged at like 54 watts really yeah wow for the first like third of the battery it was plenty fast it's kind of crazy i feel like because apple never talks about specific numbers right they don't know annoyingly capacity They don't talk about wattage. They don't talk about any of that. I feel like they should when it's impressive.

33:22Because, you know, it's obviously not impressive against a OnePlus phone or an Oppo phone. But against, like, the Pixel, which is still charging at a way lower speed, like, they should be doing that. I should be talking about that.

33:32Marques Brownlee:I wish, yeah. One of my requests specifically for this new iPhone, 8K video. It's time. It's time. You're ready. Everyone is ready for 8K video for an iPhone. Because. Why? So you have the sensor. It's capable of it. You have the A20 Pro chip. You're capable of it and processing and all that. And there's a new feature that they added, which lets you set a hard limit to how much storage your ProRes video takes up on your phone. So you'll never, I assume the reason they don't want to enable 8K video is because, oh, you know, it's not that big of a difference and it's going to fill up people's phones too fast and they'll get mad.

34:07Marques Brownlee:It's going to destroy their battery. Well, now when you turn that on, just pop up that feature and let people set like a 100 gig limit or something. and it'll say, oh, this is only five minutes of 8K video. Fine, as long as I know, let me turn it on. I'm a pro. I'm using a pro iPhone. I'm a pro. Let me take 8K pro video on the iPhone, please.

34:23David Imel:Wasn't there a feature a few generations ago where you could only get it on the pro one storage up? Yeah, it was like ProRes RAW video.

34:34Marques Brownlee:Yeah, it was not available on the base storage.

34:36David Imel:Yeah, you had to get like the 512 or the TeraVision. Yeah, so that makes it clear to me

34:40Marques Brownlee:that it's at least partially a storage question. I think it's ready. It's ready. Give me 8K. Also give me Rex 709 preview while shooting Log. You know, at first I was surprised that you cared about 8K, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

34:52David Imel:Yeah, when he said that, it's like, do you know when in a movie they say the title of the movie and you're like, they did the thing. When Marquez is saying 8K, why is anyone surprised? It's the title of the - It's crazy that I want my matte black phone to shoot 8K video. Black is ugly. I have a question I kept seeing, which a question I'm kind of surprised about. I guess in a short, Linus had mentioned with the Passport-style short phone that using the exterior screen when you have a keyboard and like a URL board up, how do you have any space for, you know, what's the typing experience? How do you have any space for things in between that?

35:29David Imel:And I guess, and then everyone I saw in the comments, not everyone, but a lot of comments, the Duo, sorry. Yes, on the Duo. So we don't have it yet. No. But you guys experienced this. Yeah. Lots of people were like, why didn't any reviewers show the typing experience on it. And my thought was, because everyone's used to it already, we've had like 12 different passport style phones on Android that all would have the exact same issue. Do you remember typing on the exterior screen? I actually do.

35:55Marques Brownlee:I might have a shot of it I can give you guys. I'll look for it. But when it's wide open and you're typing in widescreen, it's a big keyboard. But it can do a split keyboard. Because if you partially fold it, it kind of separates the UI. That's interior though. What about exterior screen? Oh, it's just a normal keyboard. It's just wider. That's what I thought. I don't think it's bad that it's wider. And actually, when you're using the exterior screen when it's closed, it's more comfortable to use that phone with two hands. Did I really not show the keyboard? I feel like I probably at some point.

36:22David Imel:I don't know. It sounded like you guys had pretty minimal time on getting videos of it. And to me, it felt we have a million Passport-style phones already. We've seen what a keyboard and an address bar looks like on this. So I don't know if that was one person mentions it. Everyone jumps on top of it. But I was surprised by that. The other funny thing I saw, did anyone see John Ternus at the Emmys showing off his duo?

36:46Marques Brownlee:I did see that.

36:47David Imel:And then later showing that he was taking a selfie with the iPhone 18 Pro. Sideways. Sideways. When it doesn't need to be sideways because of center stage. Mm-hmm. Everyone, I don't know. It's totally a not story. It's just very funny that he brought both and obviously doesn't see the death death. I think that was intentional. I think Apple needs to position the Pros as the camera phone and the duo as the Pro. Really? I agree 100%. think that there's no way that wasn't planned uh-huh and if you if you because they need to post that selfie well and it very clearly is going to be posted better from the pro i think they clearly gave it to turn and said when you do the selfie use this one they need to sell both phones and they especially need to sell the pro right now while it's available to true true and i yeah they had to show both of them off it was a marketing option i think that's a sick marketing besides the fact that only one is available of the duo being flipped around and him holding a giant and taking the photo.

37:38David Imel:That would have been a nice demo. Like that's a sick photo because you're seeing it from behind also, but it was funny. As long as he's not taking it with the interior camera, which is really bad. That picture will come out next month when the duo is present. Yeah, yeah. I am only ever calling that the FaceTime camera like they did because I refuse to call that a selfie camera because it looks terrible. It's pretty bad. It's fine. It won't be there in the next one, so. Yeah.

37:58Marques Brownlee:We should take bets on it. Do we take bets on that?

38:00David Imel:On if it'll be there in the next one.

38:01Marques Brownlee:How long do they do? That's, okay, two things. I don't know how long they'll last. One is the under screen selfie camera. Two is a variable aperture lens. We've seen companies. They're both staying. We've seen companies have the variable aperture lens and then kill it after a couple of generations. But we're getting these bigger sensors now. Does that mean Apple's is going to stick around? Not sure. I hope it sticks around. Variable aperture. Yeah. It'll stick around.

38:23David Imel:It's definitely there. I think both of these are clearly there next year.

38:26Marques Brownlee:I think it gives them the green light next year to do a way bigger sensor. Yeah. Possibly. I agree. It's a bigger difference. I agree.

38:33David Imel:I just don't know how much further out from that it stays. name i don't know they don't i mean what are things that they've gotten rid of besides like touch id they do everything twice at least they do everything but like what other things have

38:44Marques Brownlee:they gotten rid of 3d touch 3d touch 3d touch we had at least two years of that the action button on the duo well on the duo i'll never not be mad about that yeah yeah they will have another air they always have two things they had a mini twice they had a plus twice yeah before killing it off

39:00David Imel:they always do it at least two times yeah i feel like it's a priority making it right now i was I'm surprised they haven't gotten rid of camera control. I thought it was so funny that they showed all these pro camera options and didn't mention how any of them could connect to camera control at all. They don't. Like they don't even mention it anymore. I love using camera control to open the camera. But I had so many instances while I was testing this camera where I was accidentally slightly upping the exposure.

39:27Marques Brownlee:I hate that. And I have mine set to tone and I was doing that as well. also yeah yeah so camera control doesn't change variable aperture but it can be mapped to the fake bokeh so you can have like you can accidentally change camera control in portrait mode to switch you to the fake depth of field instead of the actual variable aperture that they added to this phone so weird there's also there's four stops of variable aperture on this phone um but third party apps will have access to a super granular control of it why not camera control it's yeah why not camera because it's going to be gone next year well maybe conspiracy theory yeah so I don't know variable okay all right well I think that's about it you should go watch the review if you haven't watched it already we got to take an ad break because we are bad at taking hand breaks so we're gonna do trivia first

40:20all right we're back in the studio we're back to trivia but we're trying something new instead of a trivia question we're going to do a trivia challenge that's kind of what this is because we discussed very briefly, not for very long but very briefly what the typing experience is like on the iPhone Duo and it made me think back to the early, early Android days when pioneers and their covered wagons were still heading west in search of gold avoiding disinterested That was me. We were flashing bootloaders and stuff. And no one quite knew how typing was going to work on a slab touchscreen. And all sorts of various ideas were thrown forth.

41:04And one of my favorite ideas is called the 8-pen keyboard. Are any of you familiar? Don't Google it. Don't Google it.

41:11David Imel:No, sorry. I was Googling something else. It was not that. I do remember that. We were just talking about something similar to this the other day. It's called the 8-pen keyboard. It was modernized by an app called the 8-Vim keyboard. Disclaimer. if you ever are going to install any third-party keyboards on a device know that they can sneak trackers in there really easily it's like probably not the best idea which is why on this air-gapped burner account logged in nothing phone three i have installed the eight vim keyboard and when it comes time for trivia answers i am going to have each of you type like and subscribe on that keyboard and I'm not going to explain how that keyboard works.

41:52I have a screenshot of the keyboard so if you'll draw your attention

41:55David Imel:to the screen. I've always wanted to do a T9 typing challenge. Maybe that could be a studio short.

42:02Marques Brownlee:I remember this. I remember this. I had this. What phone did I have this on? I tried this.

42:09David Imel:I'm going to try and explain this. It kind of looks like the crosshair of a fighter pilot turned 45 degrees so it kind of makes an X with a circle and then around it are letters yeah um this is when not all of the letters a lot of the letters it is all the symbols is it all the letters it is all the letters this is when

42:27Marques Brownlee:swipe keyboards were getting really big yeah that's a little hint but remember swipe when first when that first dropped yeah it was like a revolutionary thing that you could swipe and obviously now all the keyboards have swipe abilities now but that was really interesting and then this was like what was that other keyboard that microsoft bought that was really good. I think you're thinking of SwiftKey. SwiftKey was like a competitor to Swipe. Wow.

42:48David Imel:So I have to assume this is like the letters more commonly next to each other go in some sort of pattern. I'm not giving you any information. You're just going to get a phone in your hand 60 seconds on the clock and you will have to type like and subscribe whoever makes it through the most letters will get the point. And we have to swipe everything we can. I'm not telling you how to use it. You're just going to get a phone. There is the The photo we get to see does have a red mark across it that does kind of look like swiping. So whether that is a hint or a way to screw with us. It was an unfortunate hint.

43:23David Imel:I could not find any screenshots on the keyboard. Oh, I kind of remember this. Yeah. You like swipe around it. Don't say anything. What I was looking up was we were talking about old when we were first doing touchscreens. Do you guys remember the BlackBerry Storm where it was a touchscreen, but the whole screen was a button and you had to like press the whole screen. That was terrible. It was so bad.

43:43Marques Brownlee:but yeah, early touchscreens or something. Or something. Okay, well, we will type at the end. We'll be right back.

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46:58Marques Brownlee:No credit card or payment needed. Just head to pipedrive.com slash waveform to get started. That's pipedrive.com slash waveform, and you can be up and running in minutes. All right, welcome back. Google Book. Yeah. Yeah. Chromebook with Gemini. Chromebook with Gemini.

47:14David Imel:Not far off. We ain't not Chromebooks anymore. We got, it was kind of talked about at the Android show, I think, earlier this year. And now we got the announcement that the pre-order is coming up. My favorite way of announcing a product. Pre-orders for what? The Google Book. The Google Books. What Google Books? Many different Google books. Lots of ones. So first of all, big win. You have to go to googlebook.google. Great URL. Already my favorite part of the story. Nice. What? Pre-orders are starting Monday, September 21st, and googlebook.google has a lot of fun teasers and information. So I wrote them all down, and I will explain what Google Book is to the best of my abilities.

47:55David Imel:Okay. Because we are looking at this with the teaser page at googlebook.google before pre-orders that come out Monday. Guys,.book is a TLD. Google.book. They could have done that. They don't have enough money. Google.book would have popped off.

48:13Marques Brownlee:Is that taken? Google.book is good, but googlebook.google is way better. I highly doubt it's taken. Google.book is not occupied. What? Can you buy it? They chose Google.book. Can you buy it?

48:22David Imel:That's where the actual pre-order page is. I already bought it. This is the teaser.

48:25Marques Brownlee:That's crazy. Yo, Siri, buy that URL.

48:27David Imel:All right, so when you go to the page, we're greeted with a tagline called Google Book Designed for Gemini Intelligence. That just seems to be the tagline we're getting for everything now, right? The X product designed for XAI of X company.

48:40Marques Brownlee:But there is a specific design feature that it has to have to be a Google Book. Which is? The light bar. The light bar. Are you sure? It seems like they're making such a big deal about the light bar that this is a required design element.

48:52David Imel:It's almost like we've been fooled before.

48:54Marques Brownlee:It only lights up when you get a call from a certain time.

48:57David Imel:We have absolutely been fooled. I have in my notes that the optimist in me wants to believe that this is a multifunctional bar with different colors. Because you see it as the gradient of red, blue, yellow, green, the Google colors. And all we ever see it do is light up in this teaser page. So I want to believe that it can do all sorts of different things. Like talking to Gemini or different colors for different customizable things. Or when you're charging with it closed. At least. Battery indicator. At least. so would be so sweet yeah the realist in me that's been burned by a highlight assumes that it's just a color film over top of a bar with a white light behind here's the other thing that's

49:32Marques Brownlee:giving me a little bit of hope when i go to the bottom of the website in the faq section there's three faqs yes one of them is what's the difference between a google book and a chromebook i have that written and it's sort of genuinely so it says google books are a brand new category of flagship laptop bringing together the best of chrome os and android they come from high quality materials, powerful performance, intelligence features, and seamless connectivity with your Android phone. So kind of an emphasis on the premium part. And then they say Chromebooks, on the other hand, run Chrome OS and are built to prioritize simplicity, speed, and efficiency, which makes them great for everyday use.

50:04Marques Brownlee:So I think that because they're leaning into the premium part and because of how prominently these glowing bars are on all the teasers, it seems like that's one of the like required premium things. It probably has to be metal, probably has to have the bar, probably has to have like a, you know, they all have to have the light bar. They mentioned that. Okay, good.

50:26David Imel:Okay, but none of us have confirmed what the light bar does. Because in this, when I read seamless connectivity with your Android phone, I think my light bar lights up five different colors when someone calls me on WhatsApp.

50:36Marques Brownlee:That is fair. That's where my hope ends. I do not know what they will do with the light bar, but it will at least have a cool light bar.

50:41David Imel:Yeah. It also says featherweight design, heavyweight power. I mean, it's very clear we're looking at here with like actual specced laptops versus Chromebooks with like Marques mentioned, they're like simplicity. They're the perfect thing for a long time to buy your parents, your kids, people who just need to browse the Internet, students in classroom, cheap, lower specced, worse material, but still durable laptops, quoting laptops using Chrome OS. That's what they were for. There has always been a really weird friction where every few years Google tries to make the Chromebook premium and they just make the hardware incredible and they add a bunch of RAM and they add a fast CPU and then you're just like, for Chrome?

51:23David Imel:Pixelbook, remember that? Yeah, I mean, there have been multiple iterations. It was so sick and so bad. And I would argue that maybe the Pixelbook Go, which was the cheap one that they released with the Pixel 4, was possibly the best Chromebook ever made. Ah, Pixel is the best one. Chromebook Pixel and then also the yeah the Chromebook Pixel the one that flipped around that was really thin

51:45Marques Brownlee:or are you talking about the first one talking about the first one the$1 ,000 Chromebook Pixel with the light bar yeah yeah and the touchscreen that one was awesome Pixelbook there was the yeah there was the Pixelbook that was great it was so thin it was like the Panda yeah laptop yeah it was that was pretty awesome I really liked that computer but the Pixelbook Go was like their affordable version of it and it was really great if this one doesn't work they're fresh out of names yeah so speaking of names i'm so sorry yeah i have an update on this okay you cannot register dot book i just sorry i was gonna solely owned by amazon and reserved for their book services oh really yes oh yeah that it is not a generic top level domain okay so you can't that was bugging me since you said it and i was like why i was dot book websites yeah i cannot buy well there's a website you can go to where you can like try to reserve a dot book domain yeah they all list it but you you can't yeah

52:39David Imel:i'm so sorry please no no that's good what if google released a book called google and then published it on amazon on amazon and then just redirected to the landing page i did think it was funny go daddy i was like can i buy google that book and go daddy goes no but you can buy facebookbookbook.com yeah also google.kids was available which I feel like Google should own but I don't know it was$10 a year anyway interesting no it suggested it to me it suggested it to me alright it said it to me so with Chromebooks being the you know lower spec cheaper version Pixel no why do I keep now I'm calling it a pixel book and I'm going to make them a thing again.

53:30David Imel:Google book, Google book, you know, if it's built for Gemini, it's obviously going to, they need all the compute for LLM. So we're going to see, you know, they even say like intelligence is the new spec, which sounds like the easiest way to say, this is going to be expensive. Don't worry about the specs, but it's going to cost a lot. So, Hey, we've got our, our more powerful Chrome OS. There are some other interesting things about it. Like you said, in the FAQ, They say brand new category of flagship laptops, high quality materials, powerful performance. It is different than Chromebook other than the fact that they both run Chrome OS.

54:07David Imel:They also have some partners they've lined up for this, which is the part I'm the most confused about here because in the teaser image, the really nice laptop that they're showing, it says Google book on the interior under the keyboard, but nowhere else does it have a company name. And it says some of the partners they have lined up for the launch during the fall. Acer, Asus, Dell, HP, Lenovo. Kind of all the usual suspects we think of in Windows laptops. And even in Chromebooks. They've been making Chromebooks for a while. But I don't know which one this is. I don't know what pre-orders it sounds like.

54:41David Imel:I don't know if the Monday pre-order is just going to be one of these. I don't know if we're getting a Google version, a Google hardware version. I don't think we are, which is surprising. I feel like we would. Is this a fake picture of just like the most vague laptop possible? My guess is this is the Asus one.

54:55Marques Brownlee:because Asus generally makes the better hardware. I think, yeah, I think this is one of them. And I also think the Google Book text branding is another one of the things that they've required to be a Google Book.

55:05David Imel:Well, one of the interesting things about that is there is also, instead of the alt key, there is a Google logo, which at first I'm like, obviously a Gemini button, but then why wouldn't it be the Gemini logo if it's the Gemini button? So now I'm confused by that because also in the list of features, one of the things you can do is wiggle the mouse to activate Gemini to use on-screen... Leave it, leave it. I'll take it. On-screen references to different things. So you can like shake the mouse and you can circle a bunch of clothes and hit what would I look like in these clothes. Magic pointer. Is that what they're calling it?

55:39David Imel:Magic pointer? Yeah. Select anything to ask, compare, or create with Gemini. Which is cool. But then what is the Google button for? I am not sure. Is it just like no one even looks at the alt key? Let's just change it and have branding there. Yeah. I'm not really sure about that. There's a create my widget feature where you can like create your own widgets by, it's vibe coding your own widgets basically, but on the laptop. I think creating your own widgets on phones and laptops are going to be the new thing that we all think about when we think about like the old Android is the most customizable version.

56:11David Imel:Like creating your own widgets on things is going to be the new version of that. And I think it's kind of awesome, even though I have not used it at all. Yeah, there are some really interesting ideas in this. One is that you can just open phone apps on your laptop without having to install them on the laptop because Chrome OS, you had to install them from the Play Store and they were sort of separate from the ones on your laptop. You can access files from your phone directly on your computer just instantaneously. And specifically in the taskbar on the bottom, you have two separate buttons. One is the Google logo, which is the normal settings on your laptop, like on desktop, and one next to it is your phone, which then just pops up a little floating menu that's the apps on your phone to go into.

56:49David Imel:I think an example they use is like Duolingo said, don't forget your streak and pops up Duolingo and they do it real well. That just shows how simultaneously it is. You're welcome, Duolingo. There's your shout out. Stop bugging David. We're good. But it is cool that it's just right there seamlessly. Do everything with your phone. We've been talking about ecosystem for so long. Yeah. This is this feels like finally the Android ecosystem play people want. Yeah, it is a really interesting idea because I think everyone's thought about like, well, Google cannot really make an Android equivalent of the MacBook because Google doesn't make an OS for computers that is like a dedicated hardware OS.

57:30Yeah. But it makes more sense to just be like, this is an extension of your phone. If you're a person who lives off your phone, if you've got a Galaxy S26 Ultra and it's a very powerful, fast phone, you do a lot of things on your phone anyway. Instead of docking your phone to a computer or something like that, just having a laptop, but all of your phone's files are there. All of the things that you can do through your phone are there. You can cast your apps directly to the computer. That is a really interesting idea. Yeah, it sounds nice.

57:56Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I guess my last question is just what do we expect the difference in a buyer of a regular Chromebook versus a Google Book to be? Obviously, they're more expensive. It's like a power user. They have more features. But then, yeah, it's a power user that still only really needs Chrome and doesn't need Windows or Mac OS. Yeah. Doesn't game, doesn't, you know, have like video editing. Yeah, and AI stuff. is that a distinct enough group i guess so i think they they should either only sell chromebooks to schools going forward or just kill off chromebooks in general i think that's the lower price thing

58:37David Imel:they have to keep around to be a lower price yeah it's so good to just like convince your parents that this is the only laptop they need and spend i mean i don't know what they are anymore i remember a chromebook oh yeah like they're so cheap and they just are looking at facebook on that instead of their phone that's like it's it would be bad i think if we took that away from anyone outside of a classroom yeah i think it's like too too good this like a lot of school districts that

59:04Marques Brownlee:are getting rid of chromebooks though yeah who knows a lot of school districts yeah and they're also there's a lot of this is maybe like last year we started hearing a lot about this like the macbook neo type stuff like apple's trying to get into schools because they know that that's a that's valuable real estate and if they can get into schools and make lower price stuff then they have themselves customers for life. So school boards are valuable customers. We will see how long Google can hold on to that. Yeah.

59:29David Imel:I think you're right, though, on who wants this and what is that level of... Yeah. Like market cap and then immediately take that potentially niche segment and now split it between five different companies all making the different ones. And it's like, you wonder how much it's worth these companies to make something like this. And I wonder why Google doesn't just make the hardware on it. But maybe since Google's not making the hardware on it, it'll have more than five colors on the bar.

59:56Marques Brownlee:Google's notably bad at making hardware. So I'm sure they'll love you saying that. New phones are really, really well made. Yeah, they've gotten, with enough generations of Pixel, they've gotten to a good enough Pixel. Tensor is still Tensor, and it's not amazing. But we know how Pixel phones started and how Nexus phones went. And yeah. It surprises me that they're not making their own Pixelbook as a reference laptop. Yeah, I agree. Especially when we're this far into the Pixel phone being like their thing. Seems like a very different strategy. I think you either have a first-party one or you have partners making them.

1:00:32Marques Brownlee:probably not both. Like we'll see the Surface event. We'll talk about that maybe in a second. But the Surface event in October, I expect to only see Surface presented as a product that you can buy and then no other partners will be talked about. Yeah, but the difference is Windows is on a bunch of computers from partners. Right? Yeah. Surface is the first party one. Right. So if you have Chrome OS or whatever we're going to call this and you have Acer, Asus, Dell, HP and Lenovo all making these, i would expect either that or a google one but not both it's strange because i mean like google

1:01:08David Imel:makes their own phones yeah androids on them yeah other companies and and they've done this weirdly and this is not the best example of them succeeding but like assistant has been on stuff they used to launch yeah google home but there also was like the lenovo version and like all those other weird screened versions that came out yeah i don't yeah i'm not sure the the the laptop they show here, a couple other quick things. It does have this one, which we don't know which company is making it, has a fingerprint scanner in the top right corner. We've got HDMI, USB-C headphone jack on one side, one singular USB-C port on the other.

1:01:43David Imel:Not a ton of I.O., but probably still all you really need. It does look really thin. It looks sleek. The color bar is the most obvious thing, and I'm really excited to see it. Although, is it mirrored? Is this picture on the left looked like a very textured laptop top, and the one on the right is smooth. Are these different laptops? Funny enough, the one on the left looks like the bottom of the trackpad, doesn't it? I think you're right. We're going to find out a lot more about these in like a week or so. So I'm very curious. I think it's an interesting idea. I think Chrome OS was an interesting idea.

1:02:13This feels like another kind of big leap, but we'll see if it makes any sense or not. Really quick before we throw it to another trivia slash ad break, I just wanted to address the Ocarina of Time situation. Yeah. Go ahead. I know that you don't care. But when they originally announced the Ocarina of Time remake, I was very skeptical because they only showed like one image of Link sleeping and it looked kind of bad. And it looked kind of like an Unreal Engine kind of situation. Since then, Nintendo has done a direct and they've shown a bunch of footage of the redone Ocarina of Time and it looks really good.

1:02:53And it's not just like one of those Unreal Engine 5, like we what if Zelda was an Unreal 5 they like have kept the very cartoony style while also making it feel more sort of high quality high fidelity yeah they have also changed some of the puzzles so that if you played Ocarina of Time before you get a relatively fresh experience for some of that they have expanded some of the areas so there's more to explore for people that have played it before there is way more dialogue from all of the characters so that you can have more experience I I think this is the way that you do a remake, especially with the graphics difference and things like that and making more stuff like that.

1:03:35I don't know. I just want to say I was wrong. I jumped the gun, and I'm sorry.

1:03:39David Imel:Marquez, do you know what the ocarina is? It's a game, right? It's the instrument that wakes up Snorlax when he's moving, when he's blocking the... That's the poke flute. That's a flute. An ocarina is a type of flute. Ocarina, it's the pasta that kind of looks like little ears. I was pretty sure it was a dance, but I guess... I'm gonna stand. That was gonna be my joke. I'm going to jump off. Trivia. Oh, my God. Hey, Ocarina. Oh, my gosh. All right. Trivia. So when Google launched Chromebooks in 2011, there were a bunch of small Chrome booths inside like electronic stores and stuff. They were called blank zones.

1:04:17David Imel:Do you remember what that blank is? No flex. No flex zones. There's a Chrome booth. There's a Chrome zone.

1:04:27Marques Brownlee:okay so this would be like in a store like a best buy or something exactly if it's named

1:04:32David Imel:anything other than the chrome zone i will be upset what else could it be dude i would have so much more respect for google if they called it the chrome zone welcome to the chrome zone

1:04:42Marques Brownlee:chrome.zone is available for url if zone is a tld i'm not sure okay wow that's a great that's a great question i do not know this one i can't wait to learn what it's called yeah that will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back. Welcome to the Crumbs.

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1:06:07David Imel:All right, welcome back. Steam Frame. Steam Frame. We know very little about this, prefacing this. I put it in because it's new. There's some good reviews out. You should go watch Dave2D or Linus's reviews on it.

1:06:18Marques Brownlee:I saw that there is a Dave2D and Linus review of something called the Steam Frame. It looked like a headset. I haven't watched them yet. Have you watched them? I watched Linus's. Tell me everything. I cannot tell you everything. For some context, months ago when Valve announced the Steam Machine, which is the hardware box that can play Steam games, they also announced something called the Steam Frame. It's their newest version of their VR headset. Valve, we were just speaking about first-party options versus third-party options. Valve has often made a first-party version of hardware. They have had the Valve Index was another VR headset that they released like eight years ago or so.

1:06:58Before that, they partnered with HTC on the original Vive. That was sort of a co-brand type thing. Now they have the Steam Frame, which is yet again sort of their example to the industry of the advancements that they've made in VR technology because like Meta, sort of, uh valve does do a bunch of r &d on virtual reality technology and they have advanced the industry in some ways with the steam frame so that's what we're going to talk about now yeah and i don't

1:07:26David Imel:have much more to say outside that except for so like prefacing is we haven't tried it we're not really vr people i think we got roasted pretty hard i don't think you were in the episode when david and i talked about the steam machine and the frame coming out yeah we were like we're not really that excited for the Steam frame because we don't really play VR stuff. And a lot of people are like, how could you not be excited about that? So I'm sorry. To you, you will not like this. All seven of you. We apologize. His name is Adam. Stop messing up both of our names when you want to go at him. It is not Andrew.

1:07:58David Imel:That is Adam. Adam.

1:08:00Marques Brownlee:Can I ask the basic questions? How much does it cost? $1 ,059 starting. Okay. Pricey. What does it work with? Is it any PC you can plug into it?

1:08:09David Imel:It's standalone, but also can stream from your PC, which seems to be the very, very good thing because it does something called foveated streaming, which can make a standalone, not extremely powerful headset produce very good quality stuff coming from your machine because what it's doing is it's streaming where you're looking at in the highest definition and then slowly fading out your peripherals. It's like foveated rendering. It is, yeah. And Linus said, extremely impressive. Like, this seems like the big wow moment of this is the foveated streaming. It reminded me of when everyone talked about, like, with the Vision Pro and how well the eye controls were, that it's just very good at sensing where your eyes are looking.

1:08:58David Imel:And Linus said he was, like, jolting his eyes around all over the place trying to get it to, like, glitch up, and it would not do it.

1:09:04Marques Brownlee:Okay, so I think that's pretty cool because the thing that we keep seeing, and this is just my understanding of these headsets is as you try to take make them lighter and thinner and all this stuff you are you're still trying to give them a lot of compute and so there's different solutions to that you can like have a wire off your head to like a box in your pocket or you can try to put them all on the frames or whatever and so streaming from a pc but obviously streaming exactly the right stuff to minimize how much processing you have to do on device strikes me as really smart and i did the same thing as linus when i was testing the vision pro So just twitching my eyes all over this place trying to see if it works well.

1:09:37Marques Brownlee:Just trying, yeah. You could, you could, if you went really fast, you could get it to really quickly, like, catch up to you. Be confused. But it's still pretty good. I think probably the biggest feature, well, one of the biggest features on this as well, is that they have a 6 gigahertz dongle that you can plug into your PC. And that will, like, stream your games directly from your PC to the Steam frame. And apparently it is super, super, super high quality. It's really quick. It doesn't drop frames that much. or anything like that. You can also do a thing where some of the packets get transferred over that.

1:10:09Some of them get transferred over Wi-Fi. So you have two different channels where the data is being passed through and it'll take the quickest route depending on the packets that are moving through. So they've done a lot of networking advancements in this headset. And they've also optimized certain games and also sort of like ported different games. So Half-Life Alyx can run directly on the headset now without needing a computer, which is a fairly big deal because that means you can just walk around your apartment playing this game. Yeah. And you don't have to do the thing where you're like hopping different places.

1:10:41That's cool. Which can make you kind of feel dizzy.

1:10:42Marques Brownlee:I have a couple other questions. Maybe you don't have all the answers yet. But how far from your PC can you be with that like dongle? I mean, as long as you're in the same room, I think it's fine. Yeah, pretty close. It's six gigahertz. So I don't think it's going to go to like the other side of your house.

1:10:54David Imel:Yeah. And one thing they said is if you are like trying to do the walk around like Vision Pro pass through is the pass through cameras seem very bad and annoying. yeah um which is kind of black and white too they looked i don't know if they were exactly black and white but they're definitely like a gray scale or like i thought they kind of remember purple for some reason it looked blue in the review video but i thought they mentioned it

1:11:16Marques Brownlee:was black and white okay yeah i feel like you can kind of quickly tell like what they imagine the primary purpose is based on how good the pass-through cameras are like if it's stereo versus mono if it's black and white versus color like it seems like this is mostly vr and less

1:11:28David Imel:mixed reality this is i think i'm not going to say 100 but it seems like the like this is the vr set to like stream from your pc and play like really tough games that you would normally not be able to play on like a standalone device or something this is the gamers yeah uh headset i know there are probably a bunch of other ones that aren't in the mainstream that i'm not thinking about but like this seems like if you really really like steam and valve this is the thing you're going to buy the price has so many mixed opinions that i think it is going to the people who are excited from this are probably like that is a price it is not an awful price it is not a good price no i don't think anyone is going to see this and not be and not know what the frame is and be like yeah wow that's such a good price i'm gonna hop on it i think it's gonna be like wow that's too expensive uh a thousand dollars starting is tough also linus mentioned that like the accessory pack that gives you the um grips for the control not the grips the straps for the controller and the vertical head strap because the battery's on the back of it yeah but everyone they all said that the while the weight distribution is very good for that it needs the top strap i think we figured that out now every reviewer has realized that a top strap should be on a vr headset and why we continue to not include that in packages yeah seems wild to me but that's another 60 bucks in order to buy that and it's they said it's just essentially necessity it's a couple different straps for a couple different things okay but it is an accessory pack that does

1:12:54Marques Brownlee:not come with the frame itself my last question and this i'm gonna watch the review after this but do we have a battery life claim it's like an hour if you're playing a high fidelity game it's it's not great it sounded not very good okay i think one of the things they mentioned

1:13:11David Imel:what game were they playing? One of the games they played being a more high fidelity one I think running on the standalone device and not the streaming was like 45 minutes and that's terrible. But they are apparently Valve has said that they are working on a way to hot swap batteries while you're playing the game so that it doesn't like die and you don't have to turn it off. Yeah and I do think there was a way to connect to a USB-C battery bank. Yeah you can connect to a battery bank so it'll last longer. anyway we're not really VR people but we are definitely not VR

1:13:42Marques Brownlee:those are the guys I trust and I'm saying this without watching those videos but I'm gonna watch Dave and Linus's reviews later

1:13:49David Imel:speaking of I don't even want headsets not VR headsets Meta Connect is next week and we may have gotten our first leak of possibly what they're going to launch and it seems like some sort of slim VR AR headset mixed reality headset I don't know what to call it. This one's more mixed reality. It reminds me of Vive Flow, where they were like, we make Vive the full headset, and now let's make one that's a little less intrusive, but definitely still not something you're going to go wear in public. More glasses type... What do you call it? Stems? What do you call the things on the side of glasses? Yeah, I think so.

1:14:30David Imel:Stems? Arms. Arms. Yeah, more glasses like arms, but still a very thick set of glass and lenses in front of you. Some people are comparing it to maybe like Xreal and what they've launched recently. I was wondering if this could be more like the updated version of Quest Pro, where the point of it is to be like in an office scenario with pass-through, extended monitors, 3D modeling, stuff like that, where you use it in an environment like that, but you're not going to go walk around and get lunch. Yeah. That kind of thing. I remember when Ellis used to be locked in with the Quest Pro at his desk, but he basically had like a dumbbell attached to his forehead and that's looked awful where this would be a less neck hurting not just a dumbbell a really hot yeah that's that's my guess for this i have to assume this is a productivity thing where like use this in your office and get those benefits without just absolutely feeling cooked all day yeah interesting yeah

1:15:31Marques Brownlee:this strikes me as something I'll be connected to a PC a lot and that would be cool I'd be interested in that but Meta Connect is in a week so we're gonna know a lot more yeah we'll know all from next week yeah the last thing we gotta talk about and I'm just gonna let Marques handle this

1:15:46David Imel:I'll take my phones off you got this one Tesla has announced a Roadster event for

1:15:51Marques Brownlee:October 1st October 1st Tesla is having a Roadster event so we should talk about this some of you may not be old enough to remember Oh, that's insane. That in 2000, I believe 2017, Tesla had a semi event. So they were talking about this truck, which is a whole nother story. And at the very, very end, they pulled the equivalent of a one more thing. And out the back of that truck, they rolled a brand new 2020 Tesla Roadster. At the time, that's what they were calling it. And this was the unveiling event for the truck, but also now for the Roadster. They give a bunch of crazy specs, 200 kilowatt hour battery 600 plus mile range eight and a half second quarter mile 200 plus mile an hour top speed insane specs we'd never seen specs like this in an electric car before yeah ever zero 60 in two seconds flat never seen this before all right they promised that they would be selling it in 2020 and they started taking people's money fifty thousand dollars if you wanted one or if you wanted one of the first thousand give us the whole quarter million right up front.

1:16:59Marques Brownlee:How do you know those numbers, Mekaz? You know, I was at home. I remember watching the event and I thought, this is crazy. I don't know if I'm going to get one, but I am impressed by the numbers. I'm going to keep my eye on this. And then the next day I was like, I'll get one. And I did give them$50 ,000 in 2017. Cue all the jokes about how much money you could have made if you bought Tesla stock instead, blah, blah, blah. So fast forward. Millions. There have been many, many people attempting to follow up from that. Like 2020 comes and goes, right? 2021 comes around. You know, Franz goes on a podcast and someone asks him all about the new Model 3 and the new this and that.

1:17:40Marques Brownlee:And then at the end they go, so what about that Roadster, huh? And he always goes, you know, it's the dessert. It's the icing. It's the cherry on top of the icing on top of the cake. It's just the very, it's not necessary for the company, but when it comes out, it'll be good. It'll be even better than we announced. and then people go, all the Tesla people eat it up and then another year goes by and no Roadster and then another year goes by and no Roadster and then they keep teasing it.

1:18:04David Imel:There was like an event where you got to then another time go and drive in it, correct?

1:18:08Marques Brownlee:No, so I got to - You've driven in one. No, I've never ridden, sat in or driven the Roadster. I went to the Peterson Museum and got to see it sitting there in a museum. The new one. The new one, yeah, before it even comes out. In a museum. Yes. Which are usually designated for things from the past. Yeah, interestingly. The museum of the future. Now, since that 2020 has come and gone, there started to be more rumors about a collaboration with SpaceX. Obviously, Elon being the connector between Tesla and SpaceX, this would be a product collaboration between Tesla and SpaceX. You mean SpaceX AI cursor.

1:18:49Marques Brownlee:Well, SpaceX at the time was just the rocket company. And if you remember, there was lots of chatter on Twitter about cold gas thrusters. You know how when the capsule does reentry and has to sort of reorient itself and like change orientation in space? Or even in the ISS when the astronauts are like moving around doing spacewalks. They're using cold gas thrusters, which has compressed air that'll shoot out and help you turn and move in space. That's a rocket technology that apparently you could put on a car. And so the idea was that this electric car would be bolstered by cold gas thrusters. There would be like a four-seater version of this car or a SpaceX version where the back seats would just be taken up by the compressors and the cold air that all just get sat in the back of the car.

1:19:40Marques Brownlee:and you could put the thrusters on the bottom of the car, on the back of the car, on the front of the car, and it would have this crazy agility that it could do moves we've never seen cars do before because of these thrusters, because of the SpaceX collab. This was the idea, if you ask people on Twitter, this is what they're excited about. But many, many, many, many, many years have come and gone since the original announcement of the Roadster and no one has seen anything about it. So now... Sorry, I just want to interject. A lot of these things, I don't know if it's fair to call them rumors because Elon just said that.

1:20:12Marques Brownlee:Right. So this is the thing about Tesla is a lot of this is just things Elon tweeted once. Yeah. And so we don't, this isn't things Tesla has ever confirmed. This isn't things anyone other than Franz and Elon going on podcasts and tweeting have ever like, it's never popped up anywhere. But we finally have this new thing about the Roadster, which all it is really is this website and this announcement of an event.

1:20:37David Imel:Is it a website?

1:20:38Marques Brownlee:Yeah, tesla.com. slash roadster.

1:20:40David Imel:Tesla roadster. Tesla.

1:20:41Marques Brownlee:Tesla.com slash roadster. If you go to that, you can see, uh, essentially just the teaser, which is what appears to be cold gas thrusters and the word roadster and some like bar light on the back and a countdown. And, uh, what it also, if you have actually, uh, brighten this up, there's some text hidden in there that says where we're going, which is, I think a back to the future reference where we're going. We don't need roads. Yeah. type stuff yeah so i don't know i still i famously canceled the i i got my 50 000 back like a year or two ago from the one that i was going to buy but there is still one in my account from the referral award program or whatever that is if they choose to honor that and i'm getting a free road allegedly um i still not sure how practical or legal many of these things are on the road so the idea if you're a tesla person you're really excited oh yeah put the cold gas thrusters facing backwards so that the car gets this burst pushes this push forward from the cold gas and essentially it just goes zero to 60 in under one second just ridiculous to see that in bumper to bumper traffic yeah just i mean okay sports cars are not practical we get that but this would be like some crazy thing here's the other thing i forgot to mention is lots of other ev supercars have come out since the roadster announcement which have like specs similar to what they announced like the lucid air sapphire is a 200 mile an hour ev that does zero to 60 in one and a half seconds and is a nine second quarter mile just a crazy car yeah so this cold gas thruster thing is supposed to be what separates the roadster from the pack this makes it their amazing car if you put the thrusters at the bottom of the car it could jump over stuff no marcus that would be a silly thing to say that would be a pretty crazy thing to say doesn't like xiaomi's car do that and xiaomi okay you're thinking of the yang wang yang wang uh u9 i think is what it's called which is just through purely i think hydraulic suspension will do small hops so if you're driving forward it'll jump a little bit and it can go over a pothole okay but yeah the idea is wherever you choose to put the cold gas thrusters on the car that can give you some super power basically that you couldn't pull off with just the friction of the rubber on the road on the front if you put it on the front i don't know three g's of braking maybe i don't know if a small child

1:23:12David Imel:jumps in front he'll just blow them away and then you won't hit them yeah this is i mean

1:23:17Marques Brownlee:sports cars like i said are not practical they are insane flagship cars that cost this much have insane features already i've just we've never seen a rocket company collab with a sports car before a rocket social media ai now of course yes they do many more things allegedly it's weirder

1:23:37David Imel:to call it a collab when he owns both of them yeah i mean they're theoretically spacex doesn't cars so hold on hold on hold on give saab credit where it's due okay saab also made airplanes

1:23:50Marques Brownlee:oh they were making cars okay but they didn't do cold gas thrusters no okay yeah that's that's like a rocket well it's it's really good for rockets but it's obviously never been on other products before but we've seen compressors on other products before we've seen all sorts of other stuff so yeah it's it's a it's a crazy invitation i guess it's just another unveiling

1:24:11David Imel:event so that was my question to you because to me following cyber cap event which was yeah the second one the second one where they like they put it out there and everything blew up like this is going to be a huge event and it was like four engineers sitting on a stage for like 10 minutes not live streamed is the potential without elon is the potential of this just like four engineers a bunch of influencers invited one drive each okay i was guessing no live stream this is just

1:24:41Marques Brownlee:another like well there's something about it so that one i think that cyber cab event was a bit even tesla people would admit that was a bit of a weird event for them this one has its own website it's it's you know public whatever i think there will be people already invited etc i'm not invited but fine uh i think if i was guessing it's been so long since the original tesla roadster 2020 unveiling event that they can do another unveiling event showing that it's different now and they don't have a totally different car i mean based on this teaser this looks different i've never seen any element like that on the roadster which i've seen plenty of images of it kind of looks like the n74 it kind of has like a retro future taillight bar type of vibe maybe that's a diffuser i don't know but i think they'll just come out and roll a new roadster out and go this is it and it's still not shipping and it's still not ready but we'll do some demo rides in the parking lot again and it's gonna have jumping ability or something that'll be crazy timeline again yeah i think that's what's gonna happen and i still don't know when they're gonna ship this thing and i still don't know if they're gonna honor the free ones that they promised to many people yeah um but yeah maybe they'll show it jumping over stuff yeah okay how legal is that i don't know dude does it matter anymore i mean it's not a real shipping product it's not really coming out so i just yeah like the amount of things that has have been promised like i saw a lot of people being like oh if you uh referred a certain number of teslas you you got guaranteed like 17 off a roadster when it comes out but i have no idea who to talk to about the fact that i technically have this ability yeah yeah the i guess i've probably talked about this like years and years ago in a video but like there was a an old referral program where if you had like a link that people clicked and bought a car yeah then there were some rewards that uh the referrer would get like a bag or a t-shirt or whatever and then once you free roadster yeah well no so once you pass a certain level every additional uh referral that you made was two percent off of the roadster so you if you got three referrals then each one of those was two percent off so you could you could pay for the roadster put your 50 grand down but then you get six percent off at the end and then some people got 20 off and then 50 off and if you got 50 extra referrals that was 100 % off, which my link was used that many times.

1:27:18Marques Brownlee:I have just a Roadster free paid sitting in my account. And many people have multiple Roadsters sitting in their accounts right now. Many people have done the math on how much capital this would cost Tesla to ship all these free cars. It's like $20 million of cars that they owe people. And I think that they could wiggle their way out of it by claiming that this is an entirely new car.

1:27:38David Imel:That is a funny way of wiggling out of it. Which is crazy. So insane. But if the people that are just like ride or die Tesla are not mad about this, if they actually do try to wiggle their way out of it. It's a different car, David. It makes complete sense.

1:27:51Marques Brownlee:The ride or die Tesla people are mostly shareholders who are kind of just happy about anything that makes Tesla more money. And so if they can wiggle their way out of$20 million of owed something, but, oh, these entitled influencers don't need their cars, then whatever.

1:28:07David Imel:Chances are the people who have all the referrals also want Tesla to do well so they're not going to make as big of a stink out of it because that would be bad. So insane.

1:28:16Marques Brownlee:But it is October 1st and so at some point on that day we'll see what happens. If any other company lied this much they would be destroyed. I will push back on that slightly. There are lots of concept cards at CES every year that are just lies. Yeah, but they... They're not collecting$50 ,000 from people. They would if they could. The Sony Afila took money, right? Did they take pre-orders?

1:28:41David Imel:I don't remember that. Faraday took money, right?

1:28:43Marques Brownlee:Faraday, oh, God. The whole, yeah. Faraday took a lot of money as well. And what happened? They got destroyed. Yeah, legally, they got crime and punishment. They're just worse at marketing. Well, it's the difference between a company that's never shipped anything versus a company that has shipped some stuff before. Yeah. So, trust has to be earned. Tesla has earned a lot of trust from a lot of people from the other stuff they've shipped, which has sort of masked how massive of a miss the Roadster was a decade ago. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So, yeah, October 1st. October, Techtober is probably like a nice continuation of Techember.

1:29:19David Imel:I think we don't even get a live stream for this. I think it's like the CyberCap event.

1:29:23Marques Brownlee:There's a literal countdown on their website. There's definitely going to be something. You think?

1:29:27David Imel:Yeah. Remember what happened? I feel like CyberCap felt like it was posted everywhere. Like, we can't wait till the CyberCap event.

1:29:32Marques Brownlee:that wasn't they didn't have a website i would bet anything this is live streamed they haven't said like explicitly doing a live stream but having a website with a countdown kind of implies that something happened i just i don't remember and god king elon said that um i'm glad he said something along the lines of like being glad that people will be there in person because everyone who's watching online will think it's ai oh real so i said that it's like sort of implied people be able to watch it live but also like who knows you know i here i am believing something elon musk is saying so i just can't think of anything else that would happen at zero on a dedicated website with a countdown youtube premiere that would be a video of a it's still be a video i don't even like my thought was is it even going to be that because cybercat was just nothing it happened

1:30:21David Imel:like do you remember marquez was like i'm gonna watch it and then take notes and then just wrote it's not here it's nowhere and all and like half of twitter's like i wanted to see this it's just nothing and weren't the people like NDA'd like we can't know anything the people there had to wait a couple hours what a freaking do you guys think how do I phrase this

1:30:44Marques Brownlee:do you guys think it will have weapons what do you mean by weapons one of the only things we know about the Tesla Roadster is and this isn't an exact quote but something along the lines of if you took all the technology in every single James Bond car and combined that, it would not be as cool as this vehicle. They say that? Elon said that on Joe Rogan last year. That's just... Don't know what that means.

1:31:09David Imel:It's a stupid comparison because half the stuff on James Bond is like our weapons. Yeah.

1:31:15Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I don't think it'll have weapons. I think it'll be an electric sports car. It'll probably be like a smaller plaid with like the similar specs and then like this crazy spacex thing and it's just applied with gold paint on the wheels this can't be legal on the road right like that has to be a track only version it seems that that that is another possible thing is track only or whatever i think it'll be like one of those it's it's like there's no legislation that specifically says you can't do this no there has to be somewhere there's no way there's just like no legislation some sort of like propulsion outside of tech goes beyond what legislation is is ready for all the time so i'm not sure okay i would look for it but i'm not sure there's a no rockets allowed on your car even if it's not no rockets it's like it's like it's there's noise there's noise ordinances there's emission standards there's rules work like what what if you do it too close to someone you freeze their bumper what if you get lightly bumped and this hyper pressurized gas container in your car there are lots of things like that with regular cars now that seem just as crazy.

1:32:28Marques Brownlee:Like, most gas cars are like, you know, if you stand right behind a Corvette and rev it, like, you're gonna burn your legs. Oh, I know. There's a video of me getting blasted in the face by the Ferrari Puro Sangue. Yeah.

1:32:40David Imel:NOS is not legal on streets. Am I because of the explosive part? What is NOS? Nitrous oxide. Like, you know in Fast and the Furious when they, like, hit the NOS.

1:32:50Marques Brownlee:And the red button, yeah. I feel like actively changing your fuel mix. It's like a little more explosive. But yeah, there are rules. I just don't know how many of them pertain directly to compressed air. We need like a space lawyer or a car lawyer. There is no space law. Remember that. We had a whole episode about that. If you work for NTSB and already know of what law prevents some of this, I already know that there's like a render of like the license plate flipping down. I know that that's illegal. So that one, it won't be behind the license plate. But if you work in national highway transportation, whatever, please tell me what other laws that we should know about.

1:33:30There are laws.

1:33:32Marques Brownlee:There's got to be laws. And with that, we're ready to type trivia. Oh, it's so hot in here. I'm just kidding. It's actually hot. Do I get to watch other people type before I type? That would be nice. Oh. Tin type. No. Oh, no. Okay. marquez brownley you have in front of you a google notes app i'm not sure which one i didn't even know how marquez brownley you have in front of you a instance of google keep and the 8 vim keyboard i would like you to type uh like and subscribe before the trivia music ends i believe that gives you 90 seconds however far i get i should stop at the end uh yes has ever yeah stop with the end of the music if you make it all the way through okay i'm i'm ready i'm holding the phone ready yeah set go i'm trying to not look at his fingers so it doesn't feel like i'm cheating

1:34:29David Imel:but i do want to look at his face he's locked in again we're looking for like and subscribe you know someone's having a hard time when their eyes are flickering like up and down up and down up and down it's like when adam types on a keyboard no commentary for marquez i have not

1:34:42Marques Brownlee:I've not gotten a single letter.

1:34:48Okay.

1:34:49Marques Brownlee:All right. Marquez. Yep. How far did you get? I have typed absolutely nothing. Okay. Oh. I did several times close and open the keyboard by accident, though. Okay. So that's something. I didn't make zero progress.

1:35:03David Imel:Andrew, are you ready? I need to make sure that I'm able to type. Okay. I see the cursor. I just want to make sure Marquez wasn't on, like, some. No, yeah. I definitely did something. Are you ready to go? Yes. All right. I'm starting the clock. Three. Or excuse me. Ready. Set. Go. No. No. Yes. Yes. I lost it. What do you mean you lost it? I have a different thing. Okay. There we go. I'm back. All you need is one letter to put you in the lead. Can you input a character on the 8-bit keyboard?

1:35:44Marques Brownlee:I say we all tie it. Zero.

1:35:46David Imel:I got absolutely nothing. Absolutely nothing. Okay, David. If you can tie the letter L on this keyboard, you will get the trivia point this week. No other letter. I felt some haptic feedback, and I thought I was cooking right off the bat. And then it just was like, nope.

1:36:00Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I lifted my thumb and not put it there. Okay, ready? This could have been how we all typed, but we decided not to. I don't know how to use this, but let me know when I start. Ready, set, go. Oh, that didn't work. Oh.

1:36:19What? Why didn't it? How's it going there, David? Why didn't it add it? This needs to be in the...

1:36:23Marques Brownlee:I don't know how this works out.

1:36:24David Imel:For audio listeners, L-I-K-E are all in the same stem. So it seems very obvious. Yet none of us have gotten a single character. 50. Oh. Oh, that's because you just accidentally brought up the number keyboard and typed 50. Did that count? No. No. I was looking for the letter L, David. All right. Who would like to be the phone holder when I teach you how to use this? I'll try it. I want to try it. Do it to Marquez. Yeah.

1:36:53Marques Brownlee:So how does this work?

1:36:54David Imel:Okay, can I say, we all assume swipe just between it like regular swipe, right? We all tried to do that?

1:37:01Marques Brownlee:Yes.

1:37:01David Imel:There's this circle in the middle. So I was like, oh, maybe I end the word at the circle as like an enter. Yeah, I'll try that. Yeah. You're close, though. So the way this works is you have the circle in the center and then four quadrants around, right? Yeah. So you can see each quadrant has four letters on its left edge and four letters on its right edge. Yeah. You start with your thumb in the center circle. Oh. You swipe into the quadrant that the letter of your choice is. And then you go around the circle the number of times for that letter. So if the second letter is L, up one, two quadrants, and then go back to the circle, and that inputs the character.

1:37:44David Imel:Oh, not two full times around in a circle, two sections. Yeah, two sections. Can I try? Was this just like an experiment to see if they could and not something that people actually thought would be - I believe the word you're looking for is innovation. Was this fun? It was awful. Everyone let me know in the comments if you had fun. Oh, I see. If we should do more trivia challenges. I don't got any points. I hate that. This is the worst experience I've ever had in my entire life. Yay! And that will only be changed on October 1st. All right. Yeah, no points. Second question. No points awarded on that challenge.

1:38:18David Imel:Thank God. So when Google launched Chromebooks in 2011, there were some small Chrome booths and stores inside of electronic stores. Quick clarification. The ones that were in the Best Buys were not these. These were in a couple stores in London. But it doesn't matter. What's the name of these stores? But it was Zone, right? Yeah, it was Blank Zone Was it just Chromebooks or other stuff? It was Chromebooks, it was Wait one second, let me pull it up

1:38:48David Imel:Are you going to start the trivia music over When you say the new things? No, they were only Chromebooks Only Chromebooks

1:38:57I can't think of anything Yes, you can

1:39:00David Imel:We're all guessing, right? Everyone's guessing Fliperman Reed, what do you got? I wrote Chrome Zone. I also wrote Chrome Zone. Oh, boy. What'd you write, Marcos?

1:39:10Marques Brownlee:G-Zone. That's... Please don't be Chrome Zone. Please don't. It was Chrome Zone.

1:39:15David Imel:Oh! I can tell Adam's like, I'm laughing to play a long face. And that's what he was doing the entire time we were joking about Chrome Zone.

1:39:26Marques Brownlee:If I was sitting over there, I would have seen it. Dude.

1:39:28David Imel:On the Apple campus, he would have had a direct sight line. We used to have whimsy. Chrome zone's awesome.

1:39:33Marques Brownlee:Whoever named that is a king. Well, no trivia points for me once again. But that's okay. I'm not that far behind. You have two. You did double your points that one. David has 11.

1:39:45David Imel:He has 11? Andrew has six. Oh my goodness. David! This might be the farthest spread we've ever had. Yeah, I'll just get railed and f***ing trivia extravaganza again. Can we get tech trivia, please? I'm out of questions. I was Chrome zone. I tried. I tried. I liked the 8-Vim thing. It was just very hard. Chrome Zone is definitely... I'm sorry, Mark, because I've been doing the podcast for almost four years now. I genuinely feel like I'm running out of questions about phones. You should just ask me

1:40:13Marques Brownlee:about old YouTube features or something. Or like, it's so many points. The store that Google used to sell Chromebooks in.

1:40:22David Imel:The Google store. Fast buy. The Chrome Zone. The Chrome Zone. Damn it.

1:40:27Marques Brownlee:That was wrong again. That was a layup. That was a layup. I should have got that. But anyway, thanks for watching. thanks for listening and of course it's only halfway through TechTember so get subscribed if you haven't already to see and be a part of the rest of this very exciting month and also Techtober see you soon peace

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