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41:25So basically, they're probably not going to ship it right away. They announced M1 there, and then they shipped it in November. So there's this huge lead time. They're probably going to ship developers these devices, and then they're going to give them a translator to be able to re-export their apps in RealityOS or XROS format, manipulate a little bit to make it easier to use. And then all of a sudden, when you actually buy one of these headsets, you have all the apps that you already use, but then you can just use them in XR, which is very cool. Which is sweet. For sure. Very interesting. That's the Apple advantage, right?

41:59They're a giant company with an incredibly vibrant, massive developer community. They have the biggest app store in the world. Like if any company can get these headsets to be a real mainstream thing seems like it's Apple. So that's why everyone's sort of waiting to see what they do. Is it rushed? Is it finished? Is it the true Apple way? We're about to find out. There's one rumor here I want to see what you guys think. And it seems very minor, but I feel like I think people might think differently of it. External battery pack connected with a wire. To me, that just does not seem like a polished Apple thing.

42:34they want it to be as light as possible because having heavy headsets on for long periods of time is really tiring there's the reasoning they'll say on stage for sure it just still does not feel Apple one product but they can make the iPod commercial again with the dancing people with the wire coming down it'll be that but to the back wires are back Andrew wires are back baby it's cool now to have a wire it's gonna be a bright white cable too so everybody you're on the train everybody sees that wire it's double light oh yeah it's not the fact that you're wearing a headset that they know that you have the newest thing they miss that but the wire the wire that guy's got it down to the wire yeah do we think what do we think are they going to ship something like immediately or is this going to be like a announce a developer kit headset and nobody gets to buy this one i think they're going to sell it for a very high price i think the last rumor was basically like next year or the year after will be the non-pro like consumer version that's a little bit smaller a little bit lighter reality but this version is definitely like they're gonna make it past the point where anyone can afford it just because it's mostly gonna be like this is the first round where we build out the ecosystem and get people learning how to use it and then when the consumer version drops it'll compete with like it'll be probably still more expensive than the quest pro and that kind of stuff but it'll be more reachable do you guys remember magic leap that like ar headset that sold as like it was like magic leap developer option um i forget if it actually did fully come out as like the consumer version but like that's what i'm thinking of in this which also makes me wonder is this going to be sold in stores i think magic leap was sold in like verizon stores for a little bit did they ever sell that it was it was it was like the developer version of it which is still weird which i feel like that's what this is going to feel like but i wouldn't be surprised if you see it in an apple store with an insane price tag and non-developers are going to buy it anyways understanding like i'm paying a ton of money for something that's probably not fully worth that yet you can buy the magic leap 2 but you need to buy it for commercial purposes in commercial quantities and have a team of developers who are going to develop for your internal use of it yeah yeah i believe i think the first one because i thought we you were able to buy horizon got got us the first one yes yeah but this is more like very strange audi just bought a big thing of magic leap twos to develop huds makes total yeah yeah no i mean it's curious it's curious this is this gonna be the first uh yeah the first big new arvr headset in a while um what if all of wwc was in vr what if it was in the metaverse what if we went there and they gave us a headset oh no sorry that I was derailing.

45:17I would not enjoy that at all. Yeah. But, you know, they got some other OSs too. So they'll probably have some new iOS stuff. It seems like iOS 17 isn't going to be like some massive jump. They did a lot with like the lock screen of iOS 16. That was the headlining feature. We got like widgets, I believe was iOS like 14 or 15. This one, not too much headlining crazy stuff happening. Or at least that's not expected. But it's the new iOS. So it'll be focused on for sure. Mark Gurman called it a tune-up release. So it feels like fixing up all the iOS 16 stuff to make it better. Literally, the biggest thing I've seen is you'll be able to turn your iPhone into a smart display, which is like, I don't even know if I want to do that.

45:56They're also going to be releasing that, your own voice that you can type in words and it'll speak for you. That was literally just like a small nugget of an accessibility feature that most people will probably never use. But if you literally have like, if you have like a disability with your voice or you have like trouble speaking you can have it you can go through a session where you say a bunch of words and it synthesizes your voice and then you can use that as sort of like a dj board to have it say things for you which is amazing yeah i know and i want to try it even though i don't actually need it just whole podcast just write all of it because like the headline is easy it's an ai apple made a way for you to ai synthesize your own voice yeah they did what yeah same that seems super cool you'd hook that up to a gpt and then people can just talk to you on the phone and you don't even have to be on you never even have to wake up yeah i can take meetings never why would i at this dark yeah so that so ios 17 tweak tune-up update cool um ipad os might be along the same lines there's also some new watch os stuff expected uh this one could be a little bit bigger just because we know we have apple watch ultra now that's out we could get some new widget stuff some new digital crown functionality there's some some rumors floating around again from our german that i've read into which seemed pretty cool tv os mac os hold on you missed the biggest thing i think potentially for watch which is a new um into more intuitive layout for watch apps and like just the watch in general that could be they're thinking like total redesign of your home screen on your apple watch oh wait the home screen meaning this cluster yeah i believe so that has been pretty much the same since the beginning since the original apple watch you can switch it to a list view yeah which is a list so not a potential apple home watch screen update with more intuitive layout is what mark german said potential okay i'm interested uh tv os is it does tv things you know yep that's cool and then mac os which we uh we we might some we might see some new macs yeah i think that the 15 inch macbook air is supposed to launch here isn't there a couple macs there's the there's the big air 15 inch macbook air yeah there's also big m3 stuff possibly already maybe because the imac still hasn't been updated and the m3 is supposed to be the first update for the imac wait we never got an m2 imac no so we have an m1 imac now we're just gonna skip to m3 imac that's the rumor okay which i think makes sense personally i I mean, iMac people didn't really need the M2 update, but it's still kind of weird to skip it.

48:37Yeah, it's weird to skip it. Yeah, they could have just started putting it, and yeah, I don't know. And then, you know, we always get like an M3, Mac Mini, M3 iPad, M3-based stuff. Mac Mini 13-inch Pro with touch bar. Can't wait. Please kill me. Can I kill it? Just keep the touch bar away from me. Also, my reservation, we were talking about Mac Pro and how I've sort of adjusted my take on Mac Pro on this podcast in real time in front of you guys. i've settled on if there is no mac pro at this wwdc it's never coming out if there is no apple silicon mac pro update next week at wwdc apple will forget they will pretend it never existed and that they never even mentioned air power it marquez we've accepted this i am just now accepting it i know you guys weren't looking forward to the mac pro at all i'm coming but But I was in like Tesla Roadster land where I was like, maybe someday, possibly.

49:32Come on, you didn't forget, did you? Do you think it comes out next week? I think it either. I don't really know. If you had to bet on it's gone, it'll never happen or it's out next week. It's really one or the other. I would bet if I had to put money down, God, I think it's gone. I think it's gone. It's gone, baby. I personally think it's gone. they haven't done yeah i was gonna say like this will run down the aisle if it gets announced they haven't like announced and then just quietly swept under the rug something since air power and i think now's the time i think you need it okay marquez we're in the acceptance phase right first is denial denial that was me second is anger that's kind of right now i've been there yeah been there third you're just about to seep into acceptance as soon as monday happens There it is bargaining.

50:27Bargaining? On Monday, you're just going to go talk to Tim. Tim. Come on, man. Just marches right into Infinite Loop and just walks around the office. Just make one for me. Anyway, yeah, I think it's dead. I'm sorry. Because otherwise, the Mac Studio is already an awkward device, considering the M1 Ultra was just a weird chip, because the M2 Max is almost as powerful by only undercutting it by like 5%. Yeah, so we don't have an M2 Ultra yet. No. So it's just kind of like, yeah, it's kind of awkward right now. Yeah. It is weird. Yeah. I still want it though. That's the thing. Like if you ask me what I think would happen, I have one answer.

51:12But if you ask me what I want to happen, I want Tim Cook to walk up there and be like, Marques, bro, we finally did it. We know you wanted a Mac Pro and I know most other people weren't going to buy this but we're going to Faraday Future this and just make a couple of them and you can get a Mac Pro. I hope they like hybrid it. Like they admit that it's not coming but they also like publicly admit that. So Tim Cook walks up, Mac Pro, and it says it on the screen and he goes, unfortunately we will not be doing the Mac Pro. That's the least likely outcome. No way in hell. Apple which never. I would just, if we didn't have live reaction of Marquez's face as that happened.

51:49Remember that scene where Craig Federighi was like, we keep getting asked this question. Are we going to combine iOS and macOS? And then there was just a huge slide. It was just like, no. I picture the same thing with the Mac Pro where Craig Federighi goes like, we keep getting asked about this Mac Pro. Are we actually going to do it? No. No. And then I just weep. I'm like that meme with the smiling face. Pissed off behind it. The way that you said, I still want it, though, is like when my mom is like planning on taking me to Disneyland. And then at some point she's like, David, I'm sorry, honey, but like our finances don't work this year.

52:28And then I just go, but mom, I still want it, though.

52:36It's yeah, I am definitely in bargaining, but I will probably have to be in acceptance. We're getting there. Yeah. What do you want out of Mac Pro? Fair question. like like do you want it's no it's better do you want the modularity do you want better thermals do you want yes it's hard though like what is modularity with the new chips really right the chips aren't modular but the gpu part is and i still think that there's a kind of like in logic there are lots of plugins that just make it work in in creator world there are still some gpu heavy tasks and even some custom gpus that just make things work i remember back in the day red had a gpu that they would sell to people and it was like the most weird just collection of coup de cores on a chip and no one who didn't need it would ever buy it for gaming but if you edited red footage my god was that thing a life yeah what was the name of that again it was the red rocket so let's not talk about that it was a terrible name but that that world's still real um i think there are still people who would like to stack two 4090s and throw it in a mac and do crazy things with it right there's it's got to be a little bit but also yes thermally i mean i i at this point i only really tax the mac studio at the very highest end of the heaviest edit where i'm stacking text effects and all kinds of things on my timeline and at the highest end i can get it to start to chug and even crash on me uh sorry final cut team it's true it happens so if i could just sort of have the extra headroom of an m2 ultra or max or extreme or whatever and avoid that it would be it would be the dream machine and i would pay extra for the dream machine to have the headroom and never worry about it again you're still definitely in the bargaining phase yeah i'm like looking down the barrel i'm like i would i would give you dollars yeah there were people talking about a potential m1 extreme as well which would now be m3 extreme where it's like the m1 ultra was two m1 maxes fused together this would be like four to eight fused together because i do not want that right because like before you had to cool it right that's why and then 240 90s and then 240 that's why the the max studio was so thick yeah and it was like it was like two and a half mac mini stacked on top of each other this if if it was in a similar chassis to the mac pro you can do you literally just it's god mode yeah do anything i am in open air yeah i love inside the cheese grater that's why i'm thinking like we talked about this already but the old uh darth vader trash can mac pro yeah was ahead of its time because today in that much space they could do thermally great things right silicon where they had that old intel chip in there and was like it was bad guys one fan really you thought that would work we're eating them so yeah that's my uh bargaining bring back the trash i'm just saying don't bring the trash back but you can do a mac pro apple you can do it they won't please i hope for your fear your sanity marquez that they don't end dub dub with mac pro in a trash can again did they ever show the chassis for it they didn't right they just said we're working on it yeah they just so i was hanging on to the words at the end we can move on from this but i was hanging on to the words at the end.

55:49I don't know if you can. I don't know. One of their keynotes. And he said, and next we're moving to Mac Pro. And then they left the lab. No, they, so they said, we've finished the Apple Silicon update. Because remember they made this like two year promise. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were like, and with that, we've finished the Apple Silicon update except for one more thing, the Mac Pro. And they said it out loud. They named it. No, I remember. And I was like, oh, so they're still doing a Mac Pro. Great. And that's the last time they ever even said those words in any Apple literature or presentation.

56:18that's the last time it ever appeared. So I've had that clip echoing in the back of my head, like, you said what that one time? If we ever need content for this podcast, I just have to say Mac Pro, and Marquez has 20 minutes of content for us. Sorry to do this to you. I personally feel bad sometimes. After this week, we will know. It's either never coming out or it's happening. Yeah, that's true. After Monday. If we go through all of Dub Dub and we don't hear any Mac Pro mentioned, I'm dropping it. It's not coming out. That's the acceptance phase. Yeah, that's the acceptance phase. All right. All right.

56:56We'll accept a trivia question.

57:04Since the 1960s, the Santa Clara Valley has been known as the Silicon Valley. Prior to that nickname, it was known as, A, the Golden Valley, named after the Golden State. B, the Lally Valley, named after the village in France's Isère region, Lally. C, the Valley of Heart's Delight, for its high concentration of orchards and flowering trees. Or D, Arroyo Diablo, Arroyo being the Spanish word for a flood basin, and Diablo coming from the Diablo Mountains, immediately north of Santa Clara.

57:46dang wait don't they have to name the next mac os remember every WWDC they're like our crack team of developers has come up with a new name for macOS and they haven't gotten through all the famous places in California I think it's going to be Diablo that sounds like a new macOS but that was the past true if it's the right answer it'd be a good throwback if it's true or maybe I made that up it just sounds like a good name if it's not the name of the trivia question answer I kind of hope it's the next version of macOS I think they should and I'm from California so I can speak like this i think they should pick one of the bad places in california like mac os barstow yeah exactly oh they started off with like national parks and like yeah very memorable places and i think it just kind of alcatraz then it was like you're trapped you know that's what feels like yeah that would actually be really that'd be sick okay mac os alcatraz that's definitely what they're gonna name it i hope so we'll be right back after the break

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1:01:10Terms and conditions apply. All right, welcome back. This is the last part of a pod, and it is just questions and answers. I am told that we have some questions from you guys on Twitter. Is it just Twitter, I think? We pulled on Twitter. Yeah, okay. So we asked you guys what you wanted to know on Twitter. Fun little pre-WWDC Q &A sesh. Probably questions for any slash all of us. So I haven't seen any of the questions yet. I will just answer them as we go. We can just get into it. All right. Yeah. First question from itsgillies675 on Twitter. What do you guys actually do during the ad breaks? We cough.

1:01:54That's actually. I mean, I feel like there's small, like I always like crack open my water bottle and take a drink. We kind of check on what the time is. But other than that, we usually talk about something and just waste a lot of time. I just read ads. Yeah. I've had a lot of people ask if we actually take a break. it seems a very hot topic do they think it's like a like a several minute break or something well because it's like we'll be right back after the break and it's like it's a break for you guys but it's not a break for us because we never stop working yeah if you zoomed out you would hear us literally go we'll be right back after the break all right we're back yeah it's like immediately right back into the pot the break was four microseconds we had like a 30 minute conversation about central jersey one time true fortunately i was not here thank god it's like sometimes just some dumb conversations but most of it is usually yeah yeah and sometimes what will happen is like i will be in the peripherals sort of scrolling twitter for brand new in the moment information just in case it relates to like what we're talking about right now and occasionally i'll be like this happened 30 seconds ago breaking news friday future news yeah like the fish from spongebob okay um breaking news so yeah not much that's not too much while you're enjoying your ads we're already working enjoying your ads i hope you are hey this question was asked by at i am hammond on twitter hello hammond his first name is actually daniel i definitely recognize that name take it back uh what is one of the biggest features you wish the studio had that it doesn't currently features features well i can speak more car chargers yep yeah i don't even own an ev and i wish there was more i don't even own a v that's wow parking lost it chargers fast internet a studio scream stream internet yeah david and i've been talking about a scream room for whenever like whenever we're about to send a tweet and instead of getting the anger out by sending the tweet we just go into the studio scream room and scream yeah we're like somebody typing too fast and you like unplug the keyboard and you're like no no no take this out some other way yell it out yeah they go into the scream room yeah and if we hooked up a twitch stream to it it could be the studio scream stream it'd be like the namibia cam the what the what the who all right now i gotta explain it all right so my little brother shout out mason plays a lot of uh gary's mod on like online gary's that game is still popular it is yeah and one year i was visiting him and he was playing gary's mod on a server that he i think he's like a moderator and he's like really in the server a lot and on his second monitor was a live stream of a watering hole in namibia i love those random live streams yeah you know what i'm talking about but but it was a thing where everyone on the server had this same stream up.

1:04:58And so, like, some random animal would, like, walk and, like, start sipping, and you'd hear the whole voice chat. You're like, bro, gazelle, everyone look at Namibia stream, Namibia cam! And then, like, the whole thing would just, like, explode, like, bro! That's so wholesome. Kids are incredible. That would be us in the scream room. Yeah. David was about to tweet again. He's screaming. All right, next question, from at cookie dark choco which is a great name tasty for andrew fave taylor swift album 1989 wait you didn't want to ask me for marquez favorite taylor swift album that isn't 1989 1979 i'm trying to think uh i know another one she wasn't born then damn red is that one yeah uh no give him the buzz because he didn't say taylor's version oh my bad come on so he was Right, but he was not ethical about it.

1:05:53Exactly. Also, I did not get tickets. But I might try and go to Pittsburgh in like two weeks and get tickets there. Not kidding. Oh, no. Well, if I can get them within 24 hours, I can make it there in six. How far would you go? To Pittsburgh? No, to like six. How far would you go to see Tailport? I think the only concerts left are like Michigan, Chicago. Like, I'm not going to fly. Like, I can make it to the only tickets you can get now, which I know because I tried all weekend to get them for MetLife is like Ticketmaster just randomly drops like a couple of them here and there. And I was like glued to this Twitter account that was posting updates and like refreshing all weekend.

1:06:30So if I can get it within 24 hours or even 48 hours, I could make it to Pittsburgh in time. That's the true utility of Twitter. And we already have friends who said they're down for this trip as well. You said Pittsburgh? Okay. Yeah. So Pittsburgh. Fingers crossed. Good to know. Michigan's not too easy or not too hard to drive to either. I feel like that's more than a... Michigan is 13 hours. That's got to be like over 10 hours, right? Michigan's 13 hours to get to Lansing. That's a rough drive. To get to Lansing. Yeah. But Taylor Swift's not going to Lansing. Sorry, sorry, Lansing, Michigan. Detroit is only an hour from Lansing, though.

1:07:06Detroit, we don't need to talk about this right now. I've done the drive a bunch of times from Detroit. Oh, okay. This next question is from Nicholas Bear, at NickBear01. We have standard folding, flipping, and rolling phones, either in production or development, what would be a form factor you would like to see that has not been tried yet? The wing, like sidekick version of like opening up something else. Like maybe that's the best way because then the screen doesn't have to conform differently. But like - Yo, my LG wing video on Android 30 did so many views. Dude, it went off as our most viewed TikTok still.

1:07:38And as we know, YouTube views translates directly to success. Exactly, yeah. what if the what if the sidekick just was a second screen so you flipped it up it was like a normal phone and then it wasn't no it used to be keyboard oh right right so what if it was just another touch screen and then then you have two screens on top of each other has that not been tried yet I don't think so the wing is kind of it but that was like to a T with a smaller screen what if it went that way and then you guys needed to smack the lip if you're listening to the audio version you're really missing out I would prefer that it went that's i i don't think yeah maybe that's not been tried yet that's it's more of that's the only thing i can think of because i'm not creative enough what has not been tried yet crumple phone i said it a few weeks ago on the podcast no but the that tcl concept accordion phone i was gonna say it never actually came out but that was real and phone no it didn't come out that was still folding though right yeah just trifold but it was trifold uh so that's folding crumple phone yeah it's like crumple phone it was what i said on the podcast like a few weeks ago it's a joke but like yeah a phone that you can literally just go and then sort of like shake it out like a beach towel so then it's even bigger in your pocket like i think of that when like the receipts of my pocket literally yeah that's what claire used to grab like poop bags to go on a dog walk and rather than fold them up in nice she would just crumple them i was like now it's this huge thing in my pocket.

1:09:03She crumpled it? No, not with the boot. Before picking it up. That was very different. Thank God. Before picking it up. When it was just a bed. We need a new question so bad.

1:09:22Anyway. Alright, next question. This one's from jmotion0 on Twitter. What's your go-to thing to do to pass the time when the power goes out at home. Marquez is about to flex on us. Marquez, how often does the power go out of your home? I don't remember the last time that happened. No, I've had power out. I was just at my old place, which was not that long ago. I would light a candle, because then you could see stuff. And then that was kind of it. You just sat there in the dark with the camera. with the candle. What else is there to do? I just watched the wax melt, basically. That's actually pretty sick.

1:10:06So you meditated, is what it sounds like. Yeah. So I don't have working cooking gas already. David basically lives in a state of not having power. Yeah. My only lights that I ever have on in my apartment are like three string lights. My power bill last month was$11. That's awesome. Yeah,$11. Do you know, this is off topic, do you know how many kilowatt hours? I have no idea. I could probably look it up. That's amazing. It's probably less than the Prius generates per hour. You could just plug the car. Okay, yeah. Plug the Prius into my apartment. But when I was a kid, we used to, we had this like little chandelier over the dinner table and we would put a bunch of candles in it.

1:10:49We'd light them and we'd make hot chocolate with our gas stove and we would play Texas Hold 'em under the light. I like that. So cards. It's pretty epic. I like that. It's cool. Yeah. yeah i feel like it depends on if it's like power out because of like a storm which is normally what it is and just like i don't know storms are kind of fun to watch sometimes like i could watch storms for hours um and then just get your lightning sad that i don't have internet and probably go to bed lightning storms are epic lightning storms wind storms like sandy was wild to live through like i went out multiple times when which probably shouldn't have but like i had no power for two weeks so that was a lot of brown i longboarded that night around my block just to say i did it you what you're on boarded around i walked down this neighborhood and like in the distance saw this just kind of big shadow in the street and as we walked up it was somebody's trampoline like just in the middle of the street we had electrical fires everywhere so everyone was told not to go outside well you had a crazy flooding in hoboken too right like you couldn't even really get onto the street several feet of water for a night i was mainly i was in beautiful sunny California.

1:11:56You don't know what we're talking about. I mean, I know we're a kid, Sandy. Yeah, Sandy was nasty. Messed us up here, yeah. For you guys, for Andrew and David, I asked ChatGPT, submit a question for the host of the Waveform Podcast Q &A section. That's literally what I typed. Hello, Waveform Podcast team. I've been an avid listener, and I truly appreciate your perspectives on the evolving tech landscape. I have a question regarding the intersection of AI and personal privacy. with AI becoming more sophisticated and integrated into our daily lives what are some steps we as consumers can take to ensure our personal privacy isn't being compromised additionally we the AI yeah I can see it with the with the fake mustache and the glasses like additionally how do you foresee the role of AI in shaping our privacy laws in the future thanks and keep up the great show I feel like this is one of those things where it's like saying it's giving me an option but is actually holding a gun to my head you don't have to answer that I just like how it pretended we the consumer look at we do you have real human questions I do have a real human question and it is related this one is for from at ULT gamer underscore 07 how much if at all has your workflow changed since this AI began and how I think we get asked this a lot lot it doesn't like from what i'm thinking you guys maybe on the writing side a bit more like the most i've really seen it used in the studio is sometimes when we're brainstorming like title like studio video or waveform title ideas when we have like a thumbnail already we'll be like man we've we think it's like this or kind of like this vibe so like let's let chat gpt write 10 options of different ways to word all of this we might have used one at some point or like i remember ellis one time we were doing that other than that i don't really touch it i also don't pay for it so yeah it's like a brainstorming tool uh i've mostly used it in the writing process for coming up with alliterations oh alliterations for sure yes and then just random different new uh angles to look at things so if you ask it a question that i already have my answer to just to see how it answers it sometimes it might throw in a random variable i was like oh i didn't even talk about the size of this phone oh i didn't even talk about the buttons there's just little random stuff it'll come up with so yeah brainstorming process yeah i ask um gpt4 and bard different things on various occasion just to like every time they get a new feature which happens fairly frequently just to sort of keep up with it and then also whenever we we have like these discussions in the office around like different paradoxes and different things that that have not necessarily been answered, like how many holes are in a straw.

1:14:44And I like to ask the AI just to see what it thinks. And generally it does not help solve the question, but it adds some fun to it. I'm an AI, so I don't really know. As an AI language model. But here's what some people might say. Yeah, exactly. And then say both answers. Which is basically just saying the answer. Cop out. Cop out. Yeah, mostly that. But I think that, you know, Ellis has been using some AI audio tools. Tim, I think, should try using some of the, like, AI content overfill stuff. Yeah, especially now that... For thumbnails, because it's just thumbnails, right? And I think this week, Adobe officially added generative fill.

1:15:23They did. I've been playing with it a little bit. Yeah, it seems really good. Just for meme potential. Yeah. The meme potential is quite high. Yeah. I'm about to put out a studio channel video on this, so you'll get all the details later, but... For audio. Yeah, I use Auphonic as an audio AI all the time. And also, I use the Runway Video Machine Learning AI all the time. Is that Runway or Runaway? Runway. Runway. Yeah, it's a tool. It's good. Yeah, it is. Cool. Next question. This one is from CR underscore C2CV. How has the framework Chromebook been for David and Mel? More specifically, how has the experience been on Chrome OS?

1:16:06Which is a great question. That is a good question. I've gotten, I've seen a lot of tweets and also messages on Discord of people asking about this. I got sent it just because I like the idea of the framework laptop. You can literally like swap out all of the ports. So if you don't want an HDMI, you can swap it out for a USB-C. You can swap out the USB-C for like an audio jack, like whatever you want. having trouble doing it right now which is you know but you can you can swap out a million things the chrome os one um is expensive for a chromebook and i think i still kind of maintain that chrome books like only have a space in being cheap um there are like a lot more there are a lot of expensive chromebooks that are quite good it's just that the point of chrome os is not to do difficult heavy tasks uh if you have an android phone and you don't do heavy creative tasks there are a lot of integrations with chrome os and android which is cool like you can message through google messages right on chrome os you can get your notifications on there technically you can boot android apps on chrome os and use them which is cool you can technically also do that with ios on on mac os but nobody ever does because it's just like the shape of an iphone and it's the shape of the android phone on this and it's like yeah why would you do that um for the podcast super easy super great um my main problem with it right now is that the standby battery life is not very good and battery life on chrome os is is also supposed to be one of the main reasons that you buy them um but i leave this like i leave the lid closed and if i don't use it for a week i would expect a chromebook to still have battery left but it always dies so i have to plug it in the day before um beyond that though the hardware is super good keyboard is really good i love the expandability you can swap out the display panel and it has like these clickers for turning on and off the ability for it to use the microphone or the webcam hard switches for that basically every single part of it is is hot swappable which is really awesome i'm most interested in trying the windows version of this and also specifically the 16 inch when that comes out which has like a modular gpu aspect and you can also swap out the speakers for like led light panels and stuff that seems a lot more like the like future of framework i yeah chrome os is is it's a really interesting concept but considering like the a lot of the benefits of it like battery life have been very upended by m1 it's hard to recommend expensive chromebooks yeah the main advantage of chromebooks being that they can be so cheap and get 90 something percent of what you normally do on a laptop yeah and i can't run arc on it oh yeah because it's chrome that's a great internet um yeah now i've heard good things about the framework this the 16 inch one the modular gpu all this stuff like that you just don't see in other laptops yeah which is really interesting when it comes out it still does come out yeah they announced it so yeah i have got a bazillion questions on i i would really love to try the windows version so framework if you hear this and you want to send me a windows version let me know i'm derbit ml on twitter um yeah send it Send it.

1:19:30Do it. I'm going to try and wrap a lot of questions that we got asked into one because they're all sort of circling around each other. Interesting. Pixel fold. Are you excited? Are you not excited? Will it be disruptive? Will it be a blurb? And then finally, who is going to daily one when it comes out? I am absolutely going to try it for a little bit. 100%. I will be. I am excited about it. The other question, will it be disruptive? I don't think so. Yeah. It's$1 ,800. There's a lot of really good foldable phones there right now. It can be not disruptive and still not a blurb, though. Yeah. I would say, like, in the middle there.

1:20:10I don't think it's going to be disruptive. It's not undercutting Samsung and stuff like that, but it's... I think software-wise, it will be much more important than it is hardware-wise. Yeah, I agree. Because of what's going on with Android 14 and obviously what Google is doing with optimizations for folding phones. So the fact that it exists will make it important, but it won't have any sort of, what's the word, when it like interrupts the market. Disruptive. It won't be disruptive. Yeah. It will help move things forward, I think. I think that what's interesting is there was this article that was circulating this week that said that Google was originally going to launch it a little bit ago, but they didn't think it was good enough.

1:20:47So they waited and they kept refining it. but yet it still kind of feels like a first-gen foldable from google the hardware is really high quality yeah but i feel like the refinements of like i know everyone like there's a huge debate about the bezel size but when you compare that to the other more mature foldables on the market like the z fold it is kind of hard to look past i'm really yeah and then also the crease seems more intense than other foldables as well yeah i mean i spent very little time with it so i don't know enough if I can say the crease was that different from others but I I do want to daily it and use it because I feel like this is going to help me uh instruct my obviously I'm going to review it I'm going to really put it to the test but this is the type of phone that I would use and almost never recommend it's one of those yeah so the omega nerd phone yeah it's interesting though I'm excited for it yeah I love having all the pixel features on a foldable I think that's what everyone's been wanting for a long time you had to choose between the two and now you get both Yeah, and we'll see if that bezel gets annoying or if I'm just like, wow, the selfie camera is better and real.

1:21:55Yeah, right. That's true. This question is from Justin G1419 on Twitter. Never thought I'd say this, but as a fellow millennial, I'd love more videos like Andrew McNally's Lawnmower Review. Do you guys have any other recommendations for home maintenance related tech? You use a lot of the ego stuff, right? Home? I wouldn't say a lot. You have a couple. You have the snowblower. I just have the snowblower. You don't have like the leaf blower or the string trimmer? I bought a leaf blower a long time ago, so I haven't done that. Isn't a leaf blower and a snowblower the same thing? No. No. The different things?

1:22:33Very different. Very different. Think of it as like a snow thrower. Oh, okay. Like scoop snow up. Got it. Yeah, one of them's for leaves and one of them's for snow. Surprised you didn't know that. Thanks, David. so i have the ego snow blower and i bought it right before we got zero snow for an entire winter yeah we get anything so i've had those chargers on the battery on the charger like all winter and never used them but yeah theoretically there's a whole ecosystem of products but i have like a plug-in uh i call it an air rake i don't know if anyone else calls it that air leaf blower air rake that's kind of i have a plug-in leaf blower with a hundred foot extension cable so i can walk around with an electric leaf blower but it doesn't use the batteries so yeah i mean it seems like the lawnmower is the sort of apex of it you know it doesn't get any better it's like the flagship i've been thoroughly enjoying it by the way still love it um yeah i have a bunch of the other ego stuff and then other than that it's like it's not super techie but just all power tools are electric at this point and you kind of buy into an ecosystem so i'm in the milwaukee ecosystem mostly what the hell was that for?

1:23:38What's the other ecosystem? It's like the two main ones, right? Milwaukee's the yellow one. Dewalt. Dewalt is huge, but there's still like Ryobi and Black & Decker. And they all have a color. What's the blue one? Rhino or something? Cobalt. Cobalt. Yeah. There's a lot of them. There's a lot. Cobalt is blue. Yeah, I got into Milwaukee just because my brother-in-law has every single Milwaukee tool you could ever think of. So it's very easy for me to go borrow and still use all my battery chargers and stuff. But the Ego stuff felt a little more like there was a bit more in it. That's why I made a video.

1:24:12Whereas my impact driver just has a battery that I use for my drill as well. I was just picturing that conversation we had earlier about 14 standards, now there's 15. I'm just like, what if Milwaukee just started using DeWalt's charger or something? How weird would that be? It would just be such an odd thing for them to do. They're not going to collab ever. Do you have power tools? what do you use i do i have one what's the yellow one dewalt i have one power drill and that's my only power to get an impact driver impact driver i mean i don't have to hang that many things it's just worth it oh it's just it's awesome it's the power the question asked about um home maintenance so i will give the shout out that dyson was probably hoping i would give a thousand times the dyson vacuum it's it's incredible i highly recommend it we bought one finally the other day Claire was using and she's like why did we not buy this and I told her I was like Marquez used to try to convince me at work all the time and I was like no it doesn't make sense for us and now we have it and you walk around from room to room we have not touched the other vacuum since then it's incredible it was like 400 bucks best$400 we've spent yeah my favorite home appliance is the propane camping stove that I use because I don't have working cooking gas nice nice we'll put the affiliate link to that in the show notes like it's on the floor no it's on top of my stove oh i see like i mean you could put it on the floor if you wanted to okay if you really wanted to cook the floor soup you know but i cook it on the stove but on top of it yeah on top this question brought to you by being old and living in the oldest building in your apartment maintenance in your uh in your neighborhood anyway yeah one more i want to sue your landlord i want someone so bad someone to see mr landlord if you're listening to this yeah what's his what's his name say it doxon where do you live shame all i'll say is that they said that they would fix it eight months ago and it's been eight months damn you should get in writing so you can sue him yeah oh i i would just stop paying Anyway, anyway, sorry guys, this last question, I think we've done quite enough.

1:26:31This last question comes from Harsh Patel at Harsh Pats. We just saw David take a lovely vacation with his 50 different cameras. I only brought six. Would love to know more about everyone else's favorite vacations. Wait, that's it? Wait, favorite vacations? Well, everyone else's favorite vacations they've had or are planning. but oh oh vacations yeah not cameras i thought you said david said cameras sorry oh oh man i thought this was the one asking what your favorite photo you ever took was and i had a favorite photo well are you on a vacation when you took the photo i was okay i have to find the photo those that part's gonna be tough is that the one of the ups of the with the valley with the x100 the crazy goat picture no it's the goat picture goat picture i have a he's got a gnarly ghost picture LeBron James was not happy I'll let you guys talk while I find this was it amateur or was it with your GoPro GoPro amateur favorite vacation you've ever been on favorite vacation I mean Hawaii is my favorite place to vacation I think I've been three times now I like Hawaii I've only been to one island though so I should probably that's a pretty nice picture that's the hardest core goat you've ever seen that's a mountain goat and you finally found a picture that's really sharp what'd you take that with A7R2 with like 24 to 105 we were pretty close to it because of the place we were in Glacier National Park which I think I have to say is like also my favorite vacation because I also got engaged during that trip so that was a lot of fun but the wildlife is crazy this it was this uh trail where it was really snow clovered so not many people hiked up it and there's just a group of mountain goats up there and like i'm behind a walkway but i have like the camera through the walk the little like guardrail and then zoomed in on it and then i can't find the other picture but the next one it looks straight at me and i go like i'm too i'm too close here it's time to leave ram you but um Yeah, this is probably my favorite picture I've ever taken.

1:28:45That does remind me of I did go to Yosemite National Park once when I was a kid. And we went into the Redwood Forest at a picnic table and started eating. And the ravens would kind of just sort of chill. They didn't come up to you like pigeons in New York City, but they would happily swoop down, investigate. And I was super into ravens at the time, so I was like, yeah, this is sick. Look at these big birds. They're smart. We did a hike in Yosemite up towards the top. It kind of like overlooks the whole valley. And while you're up there, the ravens are just flying around where you are because you're on this little ridge.

1:29:23And if you walk away from your backpacks, they jump over to your backpacks and start opening up, like undoing the zippers. They'll undo zippers. Yeah, they're smart birds. That's fire. I love Yosemite. I've been there many times. I was there in October, and it is freaking beautiful. It really is. I would love to go to Glacier at some point. You definitely should, and I will tell you all the good places to go. I'm going to free solo El Cap. Sick. No cap. Do what you want. No cap, El Cap. I don't know if I could pick a favorite place. There's too many that I've been to, and they're all pretty. Humble flex.

1:29:56Is Iceland in the top 50 % or bottom 50 %? Iceland's up there because it feels like Mars. Other ones I love. I love the remote parts of Denmark. I love Portugal. I love Japan. What was the mountain you took? I keep wanting to call it the Toblerone, but. Oh, oh, the Matterhorn. Matterhorn. Matterhorn. Matterhorn. That was like a. That picture is incredible. Yeah. There's like a really remote village in Switzerland. I'm trying to remember what it's called. You have to take like a four hour wooden rickety train there. And it was blizzarding when I was going at 2 a.m. And I was like, I'm going to get blown off these tracks.

1:30:35I got there and I'm like walking through the village. and there's just these insanely rich people that are walking towards me at like two in the morning. And they're like, welcome to Zermatt. And it was like two in the morning. You're in a movie. Holy crap. Yeah, and then the Matterhorn is just there. Like looming over the whole town. Just like looming. That's awesome. It was nuts. That's so cool. Anyway, it's very cool. It's a good one to end it on. Very pretty place. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we should go over the questions that you guys had for us at the very end, the trivia questions. The best questions, some would say.

1:31:10All right. Quick recap on the score. Marquez with 18. Andrew with 15. David with 19. In 2005, Motorola launched the Razer V3i, adopting the eye to signal a collab with Apple. What Apple software did the phone have built in?

1:31:31Write your answers. 1994? 2005 where on earth did he get that number

1:31:45this is really difficult I feel like they wouldn't allow this final cuts on everything now alright flip them and read what do you got yeah baby we all put the same thing iTunes really yeah this was a weird time I'm surprised they allowed that Yeah, they had iPods and they were like, well, what if phones had iTunes? Before the iPhone. Before the iPhone. But I bet it had way less storage and then people were like, well, I'll just get it. So there was a caveat there. Despite the fact that you should have been able to hold, you know, closer to like 400 songs given the memory on this Razer or like the maximum expandable memory possible.

1:32:29depending on which flash of the rom you had you were limited to either 50 or 100 songs even if you had the space for it the other caveat is that you could only play u2's album that got preloaded i could see that actually being yeah that's pretty classic i'm joking alice no yeah but the the limiting of the songs is very apple yeah right but u2's vertigo came out in 2004 meaning there's a chance I just think that song is ridiculous so you're saying there's a chance yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah there was a special U2 iPod classic which is amazing alright this next one is multiple choice remember it's about the Silicon Valley also known as the Santa Clara Valley that's its actual name before it was known as Silicon Valley it was known as A.

1:33:20The Golden Valley named after the Golden State for those outside the US all 50 states each have like a nickname like New York is the Empire State California is the Golden State New Jersey is the Purple State that one's not true people outside of here don't need to know that that's true of course it's the Garden State is there that many gardens here that's what I think about every state name every state name I go are there that many Sunshine State really there are that many suns bro lots of sunshines georgia peach really peach state is that actually what it is the peach state i think that's their license plate actually a golden state or excuse me golden valley golden valley the lally valley named after the village of lally in the french isere region how do you spell that lally yeah exactly like valley but with an l oh really lally valley l-a-l-l-l-e-y yeah yes lally valley had to double check but if it's real Yeah.

1:34:23Anyway. The Lally Valley. Again, named after the village of Lally in the French region of Isère. And that took me a long time to figure out how to pronounce. C, the Valley of Heart's Delight, named for its high concentration of orchards and flowering fruits. Or D, Arroyo Diablo. Arroyo being the Spanish word for a flood basin. And Diablo, coming from the Diablo Mountains, immediately north of Santa Clara. This is difficult. Good job. This is not tech at all. No. Silicon Valley. Yeah, it's tech adjacent. It wasn't Silicon Valley, though. No amount of technology would help us answer this question.

1:35:06That's true. The internet could. I'm going to ask JetGPT. Just kidding. I wrote an answer. I'm nervous.

1:35:20David, what did you put?

1:35:27who wants to go first i put b so the lally valley yeah sorry dang i put the lally valley i put arroyo i put d it was c wasn't it it was in fact c the valley of hearts delights but i Do you appreciate that both of you guys thought the Lally Valley was... Okay, so hold on, hold on. So, like, when I asked you to spell it, you didn't look and spell it down. I was like, it's definitely not that. But then you, like, did a really good job saving yourself about, like, saying, like, learning how to pronounce all this. Lally is a real city in France. It has a population of about 300, and it is, in fact, in the region of Isère.

1:36:08Yeah. It just has nothing to do with Silicon Valley. So, yeah, my two guesses were going to be that because there's so much wine made in the Sonoma Valley. Excellent. Which is very close to the Silicon Valley. That's exactly what I was thinking and I definitely didn't just Google the word Lally and back form that word. No, of course not. Yeah. Stupid. Wait, you didn't, right? No, I did. I just Googled the word Lally because I thought Lally Valley sounded really funny and then back formed the answer. Wow, I wish I was French. Yeah, he got you guys. All right. The reason I almost put C, which is I guess real, because there's a lot of fruit in California.

1:36:46You can pick it up the trees. There's lots of orchards. But the problem is there are lots of orchards all throughout California. Not just that area of California. Is D a real place? Probably. There's lots of places in California that start with Arroyo because California has lots of Arroyos. I just figure there's so many Spanish named. Los Angeles, like everything San Andreas. San Francisco. Everything South is Spanish named. I just figured it was another Spanish name. Yeah. Well, the U.S. bought California from Mexico, right? A Royal Diablo is actually in Texas. Also, bought is a strong word for when we're down.

1:37:21Yeah. Yeah. I would have, yeah. On that note, thanks for watching the Waveform Podcast where you can always expect a whole bunch of tech and just a little bit of history on the side. Hope you learned something today. Thanks for watching and listening. Hopefully you'll catch us with a very special out of your typical scheduled programming episode during WWDC week. Stay tuned to the feed. expect it get ready for it set your notifications cause it's happening it's coming in hot we got a lot to talk about but other than that we will catch you guys in the next one peace I'm glad that our trivia points did not really move Playformer is produced by Adam Alina and Ellis Roven we're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our intro outro music was created by Vein Silk

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