Your 22 Questions for Waveform Answered!

9:59Marques Brownlee:it's Steph Curry it's Steph Curry it's changed the game you know before Steph Curry came along peak basketball was just what we all expect you know Michael Jordan from the mid range was the greatest thing we'd ever seen

10:10David Imel:horizontal tabs are Michael Jordan

10:12Marques Brownlee:greatest of all time however the game has changed it simply has evolved and we've realized that there is a more efficient way to get more done and that is to shoot from further away and that's exactly what happened with vertical tabs. We went, oh wait, it's widescreen. Duh, we could be doing this better. And now everyone shoots threes the same way that the game has moved on. Even Andre Drummond shoots threes we were talking about. We just learned that, yeah. I did not realize how many threes my rebounding goat was shooting.

10:42Andrew Edwards:Yeah, I do the exact number. This season, look, it's not as many as you would hope. It's 1.4 a game. That's a lot more than I expected. It's a lot more, and he's making them at about 36 % clip. So, you know, Andre Drummond has a three-point in his back. He made two last night.

10:59Marques Brownlee:Now, is it just wide-open corner threes, or is he, like, doing dribble handoffs and, like, stepping out of screen and roll, like, backing out and, like, step-back threes and stuff? Or what does he do?

11:10Andrew Edwards:So, Andre Drummond is a 12-year NBA veteran in his mid-30s, approaching seven feet tall, if not over. No. Andre Drummond is in the corner. He gets past a ball and the defense goes, he's not going to make that. And then he does, baby. I love that.

11:29David Imel:So he's shooting 36 % and averaging 1.3 three-point attempts per game.

11:35Andrew Edwards:1.4 per game.

11:36David Imel:So he makes a three-pointer once every three games.

11:39Andrew Edwards:Yes. But remember, for the past 12, I forget if it's 12 or 14 seasons. That's the vertical tab right there. He averaged one per season. Not one made. one attempt per season. That's the Andre Drummond I know. So he's shot 60 or 70 this season and made 20 or 30. He's just confused? Don't talk about Andre Drummond. He's slandering vertical tabs by doing this. Slandering vertical tabs right now. It's because he's 7 feet tall, so it's like anything vertical is just freaking it.

12:11David Imel:Approaching 7 feet tall. I think he's 7 feet. Is he approaching or is he done growing? That's what I was confused about when he said approaching 7 feet. he could still be approaching seven feet

12:22Andrew Edwards:he's old enough now where he's done growing yeah well Mike okay I just want to say underdummit is 6 '11 I think approaching seven feet is the perfect way to describe that he's not still growing alright well

12:34David Imel:I'm just saying the game's changing David we don't know all I'm saying is Mike Bibby would have made those threes oh my god nice good reference love it alright next question comes from Poncho what was the first piece of tech that you hacked modified or took apart oh motor droid hcc droid arrows really uh does like a computer count what computer do you remember i it was a custom built computer my friends in first grade my friend's dad built computers for um movie studios as like that was his job so we built them with them sometimes i built one earlier but this was take i never took it apart after because i was not gonna try that variable again at that age.

13:17David Imel:It worked. The first one I heavily modified was definitely my first smartphone, for sure.

13:22Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I had my Droid running custom ROMs, custom kernels, overclocked. I probably flashed a new ROM every other day. I was going to say,

13:28David Imel:it worked every other day. I did the nightlies on CyanogenMod. Yeah. And it's crazy because that shit wipes all your data. Every time. Every single time.

13:37Marques Brownlee:And it was nightly. And I was like, I can't wait for the new build. Every morning, you have to log into everything again. It was such a, I don't know what the hell I was thinking. Those were the days.

13:46David Imel:seriously those are the days yeah yeah oh i painted an xbox once which i had to take apart oh i wanted to do that so bad to make it white and blue mine was orange and you had to like take the circle with the green xbox out and like acetone but i couldn't find acetone so i just sandpapered it and totally screwed it up and then the paint i used was way too thick and then my xbox just looked like hot garbage but did you put it back together then it worked it worked yeah it just had like a quarter inch of orange paint all over it i did that to a keyboard one of my first keyboards that i like heavily modified it was like a cooler master keyboard uh with like toper switches or something and i painted it with spray paint horrible idea the texture was like tacky like it would slightly sticky like put your thumbnail in it it would like make an indent yeah yeah it was terrible it was stupid it was like neon uh blue nice that i painted it in purple

14:41Andrew Edwards:I modded a lot of Minecraft stuff and then a bunch of weird stuff as a kid but the big breakthrough moment for me was my some point in college getting an old my first VCR that was just someone like I think this is broken do you want this and I was like sure and it would spit out tapes all the time and so I took it apart and took the IR sensor out and I think I just literally soldered the two connections together and then it worked and I was like oh my god I'm a man How old were you that you had access to soldering? This was like, I must have, I was in Philly, so it must have been like my junior year of college.

15:14Andrew Edwards:I was picturing like a first grader soldering. Whoa. I was not that cool. My first one, I remember I was like four or five, and it was a CRT TV that I took apart. No. No, do not take apart a CRT TV.

15:28David Imel:I was seven and I did my dryer.

15:31Andrew Edwards:I did fully disassemble a dryer once before Googling how to disassemble a dryer and then finding out that that was the last thing I should have done. Is it really dangerous or something? It's unbelievable. You can electrocute yourself to death. In like nine ways. Even when it's unplugged, you can electrocute yourself to death. How? That's true about a CRT also, right? It is true about a CRT. Wait, how? Capacitors? Yeah, there's capacitors in there. Capacitors and transformers that store a lethal charge. Yes. And if you, I mean, I don't want to, never mind. Just don't do it. Yeah, just don't do it.

16:06Andrew Edwards:And if you're gonna do it. No, don't. If you're gonna do it, don't. This one comes from Owen McCarty, specifically for Marquez. And it was a long question, so I'm gonna summarize. How do you script your videos? Because he's a small content creator and he's trying to like work through that part of the process.

16:25Marques Brownlee:The literal answer is I just spew, I just like word vomit into a doc and it's kind of just like a train of thought. And then I refine that into kind of how I speak. I've gotten really good at writing how I talk. So I write out literally how I want to say things, how I want to explain things. And then in the actual recording process, I have that doc on my phone in front of me, usually on a table next to me or literally on my lap. And I'll read what I want to say and then put it down and then deliver it pretty close to word for word, not exactly perfect, But as long as I get the point across that I meant to say when I wrote it down, then it's a success.

17:05Marques Brownlee:So it's not perfectly scripted, but it's kind of like writing a conversation down as I talk, if that makes sense.

17:15David Imel:Yeah. Podcast, totally different. We're a lot of bullet points on here. It's perfectly scripted. Get the really important numbers in. But I mean, if you're trying to figure out what you should do, you should try a couple different ways. and then watch the videos and be like, which one of these felt like it worked the best? Yeah. Because some people can do bullet points. Some people need to read straight from a script.

17:37Marques Brownlee:I will say you learn by doing. So you might think you need to script everything and then you watch yourself back reading from a script and it's super unnatural and that doesn't work for you. I think the best tip really, just to skip the whole scripting process is to try to get good at talking to a camera like it's a person. Right. And then if you need to write some things down to remember them, that's good. If you need to write it down verbatim, that might be you. But like the whole point of scripting for me is to get good at saying the thing I want to say in as few takes as possible efficiently.

18:09Marques Brownlee:But it's really just about delivery. Yeah. I think most people when they're new to talking to the camera, they are enunciating in weird ways. And for some reason, there's like a disconnect there. But if you're able to just figure out how to have a natural conversation and look straight ahead of you. Yeah. Then that's when people connect with you the most. Which is not normal. and very hard. It's not normal.

18:28David Imel:It takes a long time. I mean, Marquez has been doing this for how long? Look at the old videos. There's probably some times where it's like five to ten takes of a single paragraph. You see the end result. There's a lot more on the other side of that.

18:43Andrew Edwards:The next two I'm going to read together because they're different but both kind of like inside baseball podcast producing questions.

18:52David Imel:Claire's calling me.

18:53Andrew Edwards:Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Uh-oh.

18:56David Imel:Live on the pod, Andrew's having a baby. Water's breaking live. What? Hi. Hey. What you doing? Middle of podcast, but I can leave it. Oh, it's the podcast today? A second one. Oh, sorry. Is this not a come home call? No, it kind of is. Oh, okay.

19:15Andrew Edwards:Wait, Andrew, put your headphones on real quick. Woo!

19:22David Imel:Cool. Woo! Thank you. I'm going to go have a son. Enjoy the rest of the pod. Is the surface crazy? That's crazy.

19:33Marques Brownlee:Sometimes someone leaves a video and comes back and they have a different shirt. That's like a mild transformation. Sometimes they leave and they come back the next episode and they have a different haircut. And you're like, wow, they changed a lot. Sometimes Andrew leaves the father of one and returns the father of two. Huge transformation. All right, so I don't know how much of that is going to make it into the podcast, but what did just happen is Andrew just got a phone call, and he had to go leave and have a son. So. That's crazy. Now, literally, we've adjusted the cameras, and David and I will continue answering questions.

20:09You know, somebody had a baby live on Twitch for the first time. I think we might be the first podcast to have a baby live on a podcast.

20:16Marques Brownlee:Yeah, kind of. Kind of. There's no way we're first to that. That's only if Andrew comes back to this podcast and is a father of two. Wouldn't that be crazy in one episode? If he came back next week. If he comes back just at the end of this episode and he's like, by the way, now I have two kids.

20:31Andrew Edwards:Normally it takes nine months for that to happen.

20:33Marques Brownlee:Yeah.

20:33Andrew Edwards:He just did it in a day. Andrew just did it in a day. All right. Do we want to do the Inside Baseball podcast question still? Sure. All right. Sweet. So these are our two sort of similar questions. I want to ask them together. Chris asks, why is the audio podcast available so much sooner? than the video podcast. Meanwhile, Sean Paul says, Sean underscore Paul on X, excuse me, Jesus. Twitter? Sean underscore Paul on Twitter asks, what does being part of the Vox Media Podcast Network actually entail? Valid question. Adam, do you want to do the audio episode one? Sure. So the audio part of this happens because I don't know how this actually started.

21:17I think it was Studio 71 when you guys were initially planning it came up with a time that was like we'll launch at 4 a.m because we'll hit like every major time zone at a decent ish time you know yeah and that works fine for for audio but then when we started doing video as well it's like publishing at 4 a.m eastern time is a little weird so we had a discussion we were like do we just like move the whole published time entirely and we were like no people kind of like got used to expecting it when it comes out. Let's just keep the audio what it is and video will come out when it's ready. And that's pretty much what we've been doing ever since.

21:54Marques Brownlee:Yeah. I think the original 4 a.m. time was like, so everyone's morning commute is covered. If you're an audio only listener, it's probably in your feedback time you're going to work on Friday.

22:03Andrew Edwards:It's interesting that like the audio podcast, like audio podcasts are something people consume with some sort of regularity and we can like sort of plan around that. Whereas YouTube videos, it's like, I'm going to watch a YouTube video.

22:15Marques Brownlee:Yeah. And also, we collectively don't trust automatically publishing on YouTube. So we manually publish. It gets time zones wrong all the time somehow. Yeah. Or at least it did when we were, you know, publishing a lot. Now, the Vox Media Podcast Network question is another interesting one. Essentially, it just means that we are part of a larger group of podcasts to which you can go to to buy ads, basically. So Vox Media Podcast Network sells the ads that you see that support this show. and when you're part of a larger group of podcasts, what that means is someone like Fox Media can bring a group of shows to an advertiser and say, look at all these tech shows that we have and you can reach all these audiences with one fell swoop, basically.

23:00Marques Brownlee:So it's a nice advantage there and they've been great support for some of the stuff we've done with the live shows and some other fun stuff we wanted to do. So it's all good, friendly support for the show. If you want to reach Waveform's audience and Esther Perel's audience at the same time, you know where to go. Vox Media Podcast Network.

23:19Andrew Edwards:Guys, this is a great question for you too because you both have been getting shipped review units for quite some time. Marquez, I think I know what you would probably answer this question as. I would love to hear. Terrible way to say that. But what's the most expensive tech you've broken while reviewing? I will also substitute this for any fun, oops, I broke this while reviewing it stories you may have. Yeah. Well, what do you think I would say? I assumed you were going to say the classic, why did this ship with a screen protector?

23:55Marques Brownlee:Oh. That is a classic. How much was that when it came out, the first Fold? $1 ,800. So if you weren't around for that, what Ellis is referring to is the first ever Samsung Galaxy Fold. It's kind of a big deal. It was a phone that folded in half, and there was a lot of unknowns about it. and I shot my unboxing video. And the way it went is I actually shot my entire unboxing and first look video, edited it all together, got it ready for upload. And then as I was going to upload, I said, I need to shoot a thumbnail. What I'll do is I'll take the screen protector off and take a photo of it. So I upload the video and then I start to peel the screen protector off and then some pixels start to go black.

24:37Marques Brownlee:And then I peel it a little further and more of it starts to go black. And I'm like, whoa, wait a minute. This is weird. What's going on? Turns out that top layer, we didn't really know at the time, and it wasn't really explained to any of us, but was a very delicate layer of the actual display. Yeah. So I quickly put it back on. I published the unboxing in First Look still, but then I started to see other people post on Twitter that their displays were breaking. and so I chimed in and I said mine is also breaking because of this top layer coming off and other people had essentially tried the same thing as me they tried to take the top layer off so yeah I broke it a couple other people broke it we all sent it back Samsung had an internal crisis they fixed it they revised it and shipped it a couple weeks later they added gaskets to it yeah they added a bunch of stuff so that was $1800 phone broken during the review process and I actually never reviewed that phone later oh wow really because I shipped it back to them they took them all back so yeah that that might be my answer at 1800 bucks i remember i flew to vancouver to do the hands-on video for that and i shot it and then like as i was editing it you tweeted about that happening so i had to revise my i had like i added to my video and i was like okay breaking news uh marquez broke his and and dita broke his and then i'm editing again and then samsung releases a statement we're uh delaying this now and i was like breaking news again so in one video there's like three segments of me being like actually actually actually yeah in like different locations yeah yeah uh the most expensive review unit i ever broke was uh the galaxy note 10 it was like completely made of glass and the the front and back both like the glass kind of like beveled around the backs and i was at a pizza parlor like the day i got it in new york and i uh i was sitting at a high top and i can see this is going it like it had this coating on it that made it slippery yeah the note yeah yeah yeah yep and it's in your pocket no no i had it on the table oh but it was like one of those metal tables i think a lot of people don't realize how many phones just slowly slide across surfaces.

26:56Just autonomously. Yeah. It was just slowly kind of moving and I didn't know the world is not level. Yeah. It fell from like four feet or whatever and because it had the glass that sort of like beveled over all sides it hit the corner and just like cracked up the whole side. Yeah. And then I tweeted about it and then I got a really angry call from Samsung. Yeah. As if it was your fault. Was this necessary? And I was like no. Is anything necessary? You made your phone. a slip and slide. I literally, the crazy thing, I think earlier that day I had tweeted like, damn, this phone seems like it's going to be the most fragile phone that Samsung has ever made.

27:32And then, lo and behold.

27:34Marques Brownlee:Yeah. It was. I've had various scares like that. Luckily, a lot of the carpet in the studio where we shoot is carpeted. Yeah. Which is nice. I don't know. What did I just say? A lot of the carpet is carpeted? A lot of the carpet in the studio is carpeted. A lot of the studio where we shoot is carpeted. Right. I've come into the studio and seen like three phones on the floor next to my desk and realized that they'd slid off my desk. That's crazy. Which is why a lot of you know I have a mouse pad on my desk now that I put phones on. Grippy mouse pad. Yeah. This is from Alex. Will you be doing any content around the World Cup this summer?

28:08Lots of cool tech used in soccer. Oh.

28:10Marques Brownlee:I did learn that recently and I learned that because I was digging into if we should make a video on some of that stuff. I think what I might end up doing is just focusing on the coolest individual thing that I find. I'm not sure what that's going to be yet, but I am now aware, just like Alex is, of a bunch of cool tech being used in the World Cup, which some of you might know the finals are going to be 30 minutes from this studio. Yeah. It's going to ruin traffic for a long time. I need to rent out my apartment and get the hell out of here. Yeah. Make it an Airbnb for whatever week or two so somebody can pay you a ridiculous amount of money.

28:45Marques Brownlee:Yeah. And then, yeah, it'll happen. Yeah. Yeah. You got to beat Cleo Abram to the video, though, because she always does the tech of sports videos. Of course. Of course. Maybe it's a collab. You should collab. Yeah. Yeah. You heard it first on this podcast.

28:59Andrew Edwards:Yeah. This one got asked by a lot of people, and it's going to become a big fight between Adam and I on one microphone. Oh, you also have the same question pulled up? Yeah. Yeah. And so you guys can decide who's more right and why it's me, which is, I'm reading Katie, but it looks like someone named the man, the myth, the legend also asked this question. He's to say it's not the same person. Why does Ellis hate frequency response charts so much? Can we first explain what a frequency response chart is for people? Yes. A frequency response chart. Should Ellis be the one explaining? It's this bullsh** chart.

29:40it doesn't mean anything important sounds like a bees asshole

29:44Andrew Edwards:okay okay okay a frequency response chart is an xy it's a function I guess it's not technically a function but it's a curve plotted on an xy graph where the y axis is volume or loudness or amplitude I can't believe I just said volume that's one of my biggest pet peeves so I'm already off to the races is it a knob or a jog wheel Well, it's loudness, which is very different than volume. The x-axis is frequency from usually about 20 hertz to usually about 20 ,000 hertz. This line represents how much loudness, how many decibels are added or subtracted from a device like a loudspeaker or a microphone at a given frequency.

30:33Andrew Edwards:So if something has like a big spike at around 3K, 3000 hertz, you know that that device is either going to be receiving or outputting 3K at a much louder volume than other frequencies. Yeah. Cool. Is that satisfactory, Adam?

30:51David Imel:Yeah.

30:53Andrew Edwards:All right. David. Uh-oh. Do me a favor. Think about your favorite photograph you've ever taken. Not the best, but the photograph that you took that just really like moves you. You know, that you think like every time I look at this, I get excited about photography and how good a job I did. And just like, wow, I really have come so far in this practice. Right. You have the picture in your head. There's a twinkle in your eye. I want you to describe the picture to Marquez, but you are only allowed to describe it in terms of how much red there is. That's not fair. There's some orange in the photo.

31:33Andrew Edwards:But red. We're thinking about red. Desaturated red. No, no, but just give me a number. What? Like from one to ten, how much red is there? 1.2. All right, Marquez, can you describe the picture to me? I'm seeing it. I'm seeing it now. This is a frequency response chart, okay? It is really good at explaining a very small, very small modicum of information that can be useful, that has these like very specific uses that when you're directly comparing. No, I'm not even going to go that far. If you're trying to find a very specific piece of information, the frequency response chart is where you will find it.

32:15Andrew Edwards:if you are trying to express the sensory experience of listening to something, it's the exact same as being like, look at this picture, how much red is in it. That's the picture.

32:27Marques Brownlee:I think most people see these charts in headphone reviews, right? Yes. So you'll see a pair of headphones, uh, maybe compared to another pair of headphones and they'll put the frequency response charts next to each other and go, see, look how much more sub-based response there is in these headphones because the chart's higher over here than the other one. Is that valid?

32:45Andrew Edwards:No, because David, think of the second best photograph you've ever taken. Now think about how much red is in that. Is that a good way to compare those two photographs?

32:55Marques Brownlee:Well, if you're looking specifically at how much red is in it, then yes.

33:00Andrew Edwards:Yeah, but you don't look at the point of a photograph is not how much red is in it.

33:05Marques Brownlee:Yeah, I think your argument is the frequency response is an unimportant factor.

33:10Andrew Edwards:I wouldn't say it's necessarily unimportant, but it's leaving out most of the story because what does sound need in order to exist? It needs a medium. Well, it needs time. That's actually a really good point. That's a bigger brain than I was going to say. I was going to say it needs time. Like there's no such thing as a paused sound. A sound can only exist over a spread of time. I have a good analogy for this. What is missing from the frequency response chart? Yeah, how fast a response. How fast it is. Another thing that's missing is like this is sort of the idea of like you can think of sound as like, oh, there's more 3K than there is 600.

33:50Andrew Edwards:So we can do a little bump here. But that's assuming that you're giving it one flat input of zero decibels. All these speakers, all these headphones, they have these nonlinear curves. Like you might get a bigger boost at 3K from a sound coming in at minus 10 dB LFS. than a sound at minus 20. You know, like there's different sensitivities. There's different ranges. There's almost like each one of these frequencies is going through its own lookup table, right? Yeah. And so just saying like there's more 3K actually says nothing about how you would perceive these headphones. Just a little. You can see two frequency response charts of a headphone and see one of them that has like a crazy boost in the high end, and then you'll put them on and it will not sound significantly brighter because that boost might only be for really loud sounds or it might only be for really slow sounds or it might only be for really fast.

34:45Andrew Edwards:Like there's so much information that is like left out of this thing that if you're, I will say like a great example is

34:56Andrew Edwards:sometimes they're useful with microphones. You know what I mean? Like what is this microphone good at picking up? But even then the parts of microphones that sort of give them their really distinct sound, I don't think are captured in frequency response charts because the dynamic range information is missing. And I just want to follow this up with one other thing. A lot of people ask, like, well, Ellis, like, we use spectrographs all the time, and you don't seem to have a problem with those. And I don't. I really like spectrographs. But spectrographs, A, have a time. The x-axis is time in a spectrograph, right?

35:27Andrew Edwards:The y-axis is frequency. And the point of a spectrograph is to be able to visualize a specific sound, not a device. so when you need to understand like I'm hearing this sound where am I actually hearing things spectrograph really awesome there's nothing that a spectrograph can do to explain speakers or headphones or microphones

35:48Marques Brownlee:all very valid I think yeah I actually get a lot of flack sometimes for not putting as much benchmark information and graphs in my reviews and instead I rely on describing the sounds, the feelings, the materials, things like that, because I think that works when I'm talking to a regular person, it's more important. But I do hear from people who are like, yeah, but you got to measure this and really be able to back it up. And sometimes we even do measure it and don't include that in the video. But I think a lot of that is the reason why. And the analogy I thought of as you were talking is it's like trying to compare two cars with just the horsepower number.

36:28Marques Brownlee:Yes. Or just the 0-60. Yes. Which could tell you that one of them is more powerful than the other and maybe is faster. But when you line them up over a quarter mile, the way they behave, the way they go through gears, if they even have gears, there's so many more things to consider in how they will drive than just 805 horsepower. Yeah. I'd suggest. Yeah. And that's the same. It's not too dissimilar to MTF modular transfer function charts on lenses, which are supposed to measure sharpness from the center of the lens to the edge of the lens. That's obviously useful for medical purposes if you just want as much sharpness and fine contrast as possible.

37:11But the actual human experience of using a lens is not peak sharpness and peak. Exactly. It's like the experience of the lenses. It's different looks. You're doing creative looks.

37:21Andrew Edwards:If this is not enough for you and you need scientific proof that I'm right, go on your computer and search Fletcher Munson curve. That's Fletcher, F-L-E-T-C-H-E-R-M-U-N-S-O-N curve. This is the frequency response curve of our ears, like the most famous frequency response curve in history. And you'll see there's like nine lines. Yeah. Because our ears respond to different frequencies at different volumes, just like every transducer. because our brains are dope. It just goes to show, when you actually need a frequency response curve and it's of medical importance, you don't use these silly little one-line nonsense burgers.

38:02Andrew Edwards:You use the big Chad dynamic range measurer. Adam, do you have a response? My response is, one, headphones use these curves as well. Two, they account for this. It's not like they don't think of this stuff, the people that make these. There's like the Harman Kardon curve. There's a bunch of these. but two you're talking about frequency response graphs and sound as if it's art but that's not art it's science music is art the way that the speaker moves and pushes air we can measure and if you are comparing two things if i have one speaker that does the exact amount of air as another speaker me personally know that speaker will sound the same to me not to you not to anyone else in his room but to me those two speakers will sound the same everyone's ears are different but the speakers aren't i mean there are because there's like minute differences in how we make things and nothing's perfect whatever blah blah blah which is if you play the exact same sound at the exact same volume yes which is why when you're testing headphones you usually play the same songs you usually play the same things because you want to compare them a b you're not like nothing's in a vacuum you're comparing these things and frequency graphs in particular are useful for the internet.

39:19Not when you're like talking about if we're in person and we're talking about headphones, like just try the headphones. Trying the headphones will always be the best thing you can do. Unfortunately, not everyone has access to very expensive headphones all over the world. The next best thing is how we share information on the internet are these graphs. If you have a pair of headphones you have access to and you can try them on and you can see their frequency response. And there's another trusted source that uses this technology to measure the exact same frequency responses in another pair of headphones that you don't have access to and they're expensive, you can be relatively confident that they're going to sound more or less how your headphones are.

39:54And if you have a preference, that's where trying a lot of this comes into play. If you have a preference with how you want your headphones to sound, then you know what to look for in the frequency response graphs. And again, that's not 100 % true because you might try a pair of headphones that you thought you wouldn't like because of the graph and then it ends up being great, but that's like the beauty of trying out a bunch of different headphones. That's why people fall into these rabbit holes.

40:16Marques Brownlee:Yeah. It's hard to compare things online when you can't play, you can't put the headphones on their head and let them hear it. So we are trying with these graphs and measurements and words to give them the experience and it's hard. Which is an issue that Ellis had with his speaker that broke physics video because everyone was like, why didn't you give us a test? Because you don't understand the speaker is pushing air, which needs to be picked up by a microphone which is then being digitized yeah it's pressed on youtube your phone like you wouldn't understand what it sounds like there's no way yeah yeah well i think that we just uh should start a debate club because that sounded that was uh pretty crazy adam which one of these

40:54Andrew Edwards:two microphones is brighter are you looking at a chart yeah i'm looking at two charts the one on the bottom is the rk87 cardioid response graph chart rk87 is the name of the capsule it's not These are two different microphones and their frequency responses. And I'm looking, the first one, I'm trying to describe for audio. So the one on top is like a bump in the lows. Then it slopes down a bit around 1K and then it bumps up again around 10K. Then the one on the bottom is a bunch of peaks and valleys, but pretty much flat around zero all the way up until about 8K or 7K. Then there's a big bump. So judging by this, my guess would be the bottom one because there's a bump in the 10K.

41:37Andrew Edwards:You are technically correct, but what you're missing is that this microphone that you said is very flat is famously the least flat microphone money can buy. It's the Neumann U87 AI. It famously has the pointiest, most cutty dynamic, like mids of all time. It looks like it. No, it doesn't. The reason is because the power of the U87 comes from an extremely limited dynamic range in those mid frequencies. Nothing is going to ever get boosted, but it also means that your quiet mids are just going to get brought up by the capsule. So when you hear it, it's like it doesn't sound flat at all. You can look at this almost completely flat line and think like, oh, I need a flat mic.

42:19Marques Brownlee:This is the exact same thing as like seeing an EV with 800 horsepower and a gas car with 800 horsepower. Because an EV, you also need to know that it makes all of its torque instantly all the time. and a gas car makes peak horsepower at certain RPMs and also builds torque over and over through the different RPMs. So you can have two cars that both have 800 horsepower, but you put them on the line next to each other and the race looks like this. And you're like, why is the EV not slowing down? Because the gears, there's gears, there's different torque. There's like all these other variables that are not explained in this one.

42:55Marques Brownlee:So you could be right by looking at a graph of horsepower and go, okay, I think the one that's lighter is gonna do better. but like there's there's a lot to it i'm gonna die on this hill but i'll end it with saying if

43:06Andrew Edwards:you want to know how something sounds type in the google.com the name of the thing and then type in sound on sound and it'll take you to the website of this magazine where they do great gear reviews that's what you need and someone will tell you how it sounds great gear reviews that's what you need i will also die on the hill if you need great reviews yeah yeah i know that's a shocker but

43:26Marques Brownlee:I believe it. I think that's a great time to take a break.

43:32Andrew Edwards:We're not doing trivia? Not only did we get questions for you guys, but we also got a few trivia questions submitted via this forum, which means we have the very rare bonus episode trivia. Unreal. I have no idea how we're going to make sure Andrew can get points. Isn't he winning? No, I'm winning. By a lot. We'll keep track of points. We'll figure it out later. Alright. This question comes from Mojave. The question is, what was the last iPad to ship with iOS? Oh.

44:03Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Oh, I know this.

44:05Andrew Edwards:That's a good question. I know. Yo.

44:08Marques Brownlee:I should know this. Okay, so they switched to iPadOS when they added... I'm talking through it out loud. Mojave. They added widgets to like 17. Right? Wait, did you say which iPad? Which iPad? iPad 17. Well, iPadOS 17. What are we on now? So it was iOS 16 and iPadOS 17. Is it just iPad 2026 or whatever? Well, then we need to know which iPad came out when because there's like the Air that comes out staggered from the Pro, which comes out separate from the Mini, but that was definitely after. And then the base iPad, which sometimes comes out the same time as the Air. There's no way I get this right, but I'm going to try to get close.

44:48Marques Brownlee:iOS 17. Okay. Well, I guess, did they give an answer in their question? They did. Can you verify it? Yeah, I just fact-checked it. He was correct. Okay. Well, you know, we'll do the same thing we usually do. Answer's at the end like usual. We'll be right back.

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47:05Marques Brownlee:All right, welcome back. We've got some more questions from y 'all. Thank you again for asking them. Hopefully we can answer as many of them as we can in this pod. Go.

47:14Andrew Edwards:I made a promise to myself that if I didn't know how to pronounce any of your names, I would Google them instead of being like, I'm sorry if I mispronounce this. Yeah. Because I really try to. But I Googled it and I cannot find anything. So I really hope your name is Jason Abe. And if it's Jason Abe, I sincerely apologize, Jason. I could have just said Jason and skipped all of this. Yeah. This question comes from Jason. Marquez, what started your addiction to weather content? Jesus.

47:47Marques Brownlee:Small talk. Like a lot of people, like a lot of people, actually that's part of it. But the content part, I think, came in the last couple of years because of just, you fall down a rabbit hole sometimes. And instead of the conspiracy theory rabbit hole, I fell down the weather content rabbit hole. And I think this was right around like big, yeah, big winter storms. so we're sitting here we're sitting duck on the east coast we get these big blizzards that wipe across the country and then you watch one video about the blizzards and you're like okay now i know that was a pretty good video and then you get another suggested video about it and you're like

48:25Andrew Edwards:all right i'll watch this one too is it related because i'm a distinct memory i have working here is like in my first like two or three months of working here like i barely knew you only knew you from the internet, really. Someone at lunch asked you what your bucket list items were. The first one you whipped out, like no hesitation. You're like, I want to see a tornado. Yeah. I remember being like, what?

48:49Marques Brownlee:Interesting. Yeah, well, I've always wanted to observe a bunch of natural phenomena and I've always been interested in natural phenomena, including weather. And every time we get a big hurricane or a crazy low pressure system or even wild thunderstorms or whatever, that is fun for me. I love lightning and thunder. I love that. So yeah, naturally I would like to see. But the tornado thing was specific though because I worked at the Liberty Science Center and I was in this little exhibit a lot which was basically a 360 set of displays and you step into them and it would play a video of a tornado coming down a path at you.

49:27Marques Brownlee:An actual video of a tornado passing over the top of you because somebody managed to go get a probe with a bunch of, it was like a cone with a bunch of cameras in it that they put in the path of the tornado and drove away. Yeah, they made a movie about it called Twister. You didn't see it? About the probe? No, I'm joking. I mean, it was super cool to watch. And the video even starts with the guy like putting you on the ground and driving away. And then the tornado goes over the top. And I was like, that is crazy. And I learned way too much about tornadoes. And I'm like, this is the craziest information anyone's ever seen.

49:55Marques Brownlee:How does this exist on earth? I gotta see this. It's crazy that it's real. We should take a field trip to go see a tornado. We've looked into this. I really want to do that. Maybe a fire tornado. It's hard to like coordinate safely. It's not like a safari where you just go, oh, there's one that's been sitting there for a couple of days. It's like very sporadic. A few days ago, I was walking around in Bushwick and I saw a trash tornado. That happens sometimes. Yeah. That's a very easy. It's just a trash tornado. It's just trash. Yeah. It was awesome. Anyway, I like weather. I've always liked weather, but maybe more than the average person.

50:30Are you still using Acme?

50:31Marques Brownlee:Not as much as Carrots still. Because I found out new features of Acme that I want to try, but it's$25 a year, which is like a lot. But the radar part of Acme is actually pretty interesting. Yeah. Apparently they have a Waze-like feature where you can report. Yes. You can report. Hyperlocal weather. Yeah. But you can also report rainbows. And if enough people report a rainbow in your neighborhood, then you get a notification. Wow. And now they also will alert you if the sunset's going to be sick. That's cool. And I'm like, maybe that's worth the$25. I know. I know. Earth is sick. I know. I'm being outside.

51:05Marques Brownlee:I'm in the middle of Project Calamari, and I'm just keep thinking about it. You're in the middle of, wait. The book, sorry. Oh, wait. Yeah. You're reading? It's an audio book. I say reading, though, because I don't like to say it. I'm listening. Yeah. That counts. That counts. I'm listening to it. Especially this book. The audio book is crazy. The audio book's good. It's so good. It's good. Anyway, it just makes me appreciate Earth a lot, and it has all kinds of crazy stuff everywhere. Cool. So. Very cool. Yeah. Shout out to the water. You know, I used to not give a rat's ass about the weather.

51:35Marques Brownlee:Because you lived in California. Yeah. In San Francisco. It's the same every day. 65 and sunny. Why would you care about the weather? You don't even have to check it. We just vibe. No, but yeah, I remember in 2020 when I started to weirdly, it's kind of like when you become a birder, you know, it's not like, it's not if you become a birder, it's when you become a birder. It's the same with weather, I think. because I remember waking up one day and just asking my router, what's the weather like today? And I remember that that was a really weird experience. Wait, wait, wait. You asked your router?

52:09Andrew Edwards:Yeah. What does that mean? I asked my Google Nest what the weather was.

52:14Marques Brownlee:Oh, because it has an assistant built that I forgot. My Nest router.

52:17Andrew Edwards:Yeah, it has a built-in Google Assistant speaker. That's hilarious. I'm so sorry. Speaking of this, you might already know this. So like the Nest thermostat that's on the wall, I was at an Airbnb last weekend. And we were trying to get music to come out. All the TVs had like these like big surround sound, sound bar systems. We were trying to figure out how to get music to come out of there via casting. Does it have speakers? The Nest thermostat? Well, so we were like, we found a device called a kitchen or it was called living room. And we were like, oh, that must be the living room TV. And so we like hit cast and we hear music coming out of the bedroom where there is a TV.

52:55Andrew Edwards:So like, oh, we must have accidentally casted Spotify. and we go in and I realize it's coming out of the next purpose. Did that sound

53:02Marques Brownlee:like a bees asshole?

53:04Andrew Edwards:For sure. It was terrible. We were all just like, these things are Bluetooth speakers too? Well, Wi-Fi speakers. Wow. But the Internet of Things is truly a utopia. It really came out the way that they pitched it. Next question comes from at the month July. They want to know, what is something you miss about being a smaller channel and what is something you are happy the channel grew out of? that's a good question is it for waveform or for I think it applies to lots of different things we can probably all answer I'm going to answer for Marquez he misses not having us around because we just annoy him all day he loves us you love us you love us don't you Marquez you love having us here

53:48Marques Brownlee:you love crappy paddies you know the thing that came to mind when you read that about being a smaller channel is it's both the upside and the downside at the same time. So I watch a lot of YouTube and a lot of tech YouTube in the process. And so I see lots of great tech videos that are inspiring. I see lots of pretty mid tech videos and I see lots of low effort tech videos, fine. And when I'm a smaller channel and I put out a tech video that has maybe a little bit of shortcomings or I missed something or there's a little bit of, oh, we could have done that better. it's just one of the tech videos.

54:29Marques Brownlee:Yeah. But as a big channel, maybe just as this channel, when we put out a video where we kind of like crunched at the last minute or we were on to the next one and something got missed or whatever, there is an ecosystem of criticism that echoes for days and weeks on that one issue, speculating on way more malice and negative intent than just, oh, I was an idiot and I forgot something. And so I do miss the smaller channel days where it was like you could just toil away and get better on camera over and over until you're just good at it. But on the other side of it, it's actually a good thing that we're under such a big microscope because we have such a big platform, obviously, but then also it makes us better even faster.

55:17Marques Brownlee:Like we have to do the best possible work. It's an extra pressure. We've described it as the publish button feeling heavier. But, uh, yeah, there's two sides to that coin. So I, I remember the days of being a smaller YouTuber and making like a video every other day. Yeah. And if you asked me about the video I made like earlier that week, I'd be like, Oh yeah, I just made a video. I don't know. I didn't really think too hard about it. That doesn't happen anymore. Yeah. It's interesting. When you're smaller, people are nicer. That's another thing. Cause people want to root for the underdog, right?

55:46So like if you're like a growing channel and people are like impressed for, Oh, I'm surprised that a channel of your side, like that your channel doesn't have more subscribers. Like they're very nice about it but then when you get bigger and bigger i think people are sort of just more critical and they're just like meaner because it's it it's it feels less bad to be mean to a

56:05Marques Brownlee:bigger it's punching up it's punching up you can only be overrated yeah you can you can never again be like just like when you're young you're like wow you're so young you're so smart for your age or whatever and then you get older and they're like yeah yeah no yeah i know people for years were always telling me like oh you're so introspective for your age i'm like when will that stop at a certain point i'll be 40 and then you're gonna be like wow you're so introspective like no i'm an old man bro yeah an old man do you guys miss anything about the old days of the waveform podcast oh i feel like i never had that experience with waveform podcast in particular because from day one of the video launching it was like the most subscribed channel i've ever been a part of so it was like from zero to 100 real quick but i do miss making videos so i remember making videos all the time in my bedroom doing a bunch of reviews i made a video in your bedroom yeah you did make a video in my bedroom yeah and uh it was in oregon yeah and when i lived in a tech video yeah i was an yeah i didn't say that no it was a tech video um but we were in vision pros it was okay we were wearing virgin pros so it's fine um but yeah it was like it was more so that up and coming part of it was fun and i feel like now this is more of a very established we have a flow we are more professional in this sense but i think it also reflects just like where i am in life in my age so i'm like riding this because it feels right if i was like still doing what i was doing back then i don't know if i'd have the energy for it right right yeah i'm an old tired man now so the up and coming thing is just a special like grinding phase that can last a short time or a long time but it is it is very unique and you never get that again after you've done it i guess some people are like serial entrepreneurs and they kind of like do that all the time but it is kind of in in youtube land anyway you kind of just get it once yeah when we were both learning i remember you your motto was like try to make every video better than the last yes the way i got better was i did every single time i make a video i want to try a new technique so whether it's like a new editing technique that i need to learn by watching videos on youtube about or a new like shooting technique or a new way of describing something like you sort of like grow our repertoire over time and that repetition is like so good and so important and eventually you know the curve is like this but then it eventually kind of like caps out a lot and then every time you're doing something new it's like this much more nowadays it feels like you we can never do anything without a plan and like a it's almost i feel like this happens in tech companies like you need a multi-stage rollout fate like plan for like how to do something like when they were making the iphone air they were like well we're gonna have an air two and then the next thing or whatever for us it's like if we're gonna try something new in videos it's like well are we gonna do that forever forever yeah are we just gonna try it once for fun.

59:04Marques Brownlee:And we, I still like doing the random things we just try for fun once in a while. Yeah. Something I missed about early waveform though is like a lot of the experimentation that we were doing at the time. Yeah. Just like random weird like long form episodes and random weird like special episodes and yeah. Random Q &As just in the middle of random stuff. Yeah. So, you know, it's possible to bring that back but people do get into a flow about the kind of show that they expect every Friday. Right. So they can do their dishes, you know. Dishes are important. The dishes would never get done if we didn't do this.

59:34Andrew Edwards:Nah. Yeah. Abrar asks, what is a video or a video idea that you were really invested in and wanted to make but never did? I have one. Right when ChatGPT came out, I went down this insane rabbit hole of like, what is a large language model? How does a transformer work? And then I also went down this like really philosophical rabbit hole about what does it mean to be alive? And I wrote this like long, Adam remembers this because we were on a run together and I was like venting to him about this. And I went down this really deep philosophical rabbit hole about like Socrates is like five steps of living, like consciousness.

1:00:21Oh, shit. Yeah. And then eventually. I'm next to him like. I'm like, Adam. Yeah. And eventually I just was like, hmm, none of that matters. Yeah. It was, it was, it was interesting. I was like caring so much about it. And then at one point I just hit this wall and I was like, why are we caring about if the computer should have rights? I feel like that's not something we should worry about. I don't think we need to. Cause that was like kind of part of the video was like, will there reach a point in which the AI need to have rights? And then I eventually was like maybe not and that's okay and i wrote like three quarters of the video and then i was just like i've done that kind of pointless yeah i've done really deep rabbit hole stuff where

1:01:07Marques Brownlee:i'm like what's the point here also when you said uh the ai stuff i mean we have there's a lot of videos that are kind of just on the back burner like in the back of my head that we just haven't quite figured out a reason or a way to do one of them is you know how we did like google assistant versus Siri versus Alexa versus whatever, Bixby. I was thinking we should, you know, in this height of, everyone's talking about all these AI models, let's do Gemini versus ChatGPT versus, and every time I think I should do that video, I look at how fast they're changing and I'm like, there's no way to do this video.

1:01:38Marques Brownlee:And even if I do thoroughly cover 45 minutes of all the things they're capable of, literally the next week, it'll be like, now it can do better code. Now it can do this. Now it can do that. It's like, well, I guess I can. While we were recording this podcast, Opus 4.7 just dropped. Yeah, and I'm like, all right, I guess I'm not going to do that. Are you serious? I'm serious. See? It's like we could publish a video today and it would be wrong. So, yeah, that's a tough one. Exactly, yeah. Trivia. Wow, y 'all really came through. Trivia questions. That's hilarious. We didn't even ask for trivia questions.

1:02:11Marques Brownlee:They just decided to give us trivia questions. Yeah.

1:02:13Andrew Edwards:Wow. Guys, this question is from Sasha, who had, I just, Sasha gave us a lot of questions. One of them, I just thought, I'm not going to ask because there's no way you guys would know. But apparently the German keyboard layout is like different and has lots of weird shortcuts. Yeah. It's annoying. The L is like at the bottom instead of on the left. Yeah. It's so annoying. Thank you for blessing me with that info. Sorry, on the right. Yeah. The question we do want to ask is a classic Price is Right rules question, which is how many emojis are there in the Apple keyboard? Oh. I kind of think I might.

1:02:49Andrew Edwards:In the Apple keyboard. Price is right?

1:02:52Marques Brownlee:Price is right. Okay. Okay, that's good. And it's like the current number because they, you know, add some of it. Yeah, we're going to double check. iOS 26.4 or whatever. They only add like six a year though.

1:03:02Andrew Edwards:Wait, how do you have a 0.4 of an emoji?

1:03:05Marques Brownlee:No, iOS 26.4 got some emojis. I'm joking. So yeah. They add like six. Up-to-date numbers. Just joking. All right. Emoji Consortium. We'll think about that. We'll be right back.

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1:04:16Andrew Edwards:OK, welcome back. we're going to kick off this third segment of the pod with some rapid fire questions from you guys. I'm bringing my computer closer so I can read rapidly and fire them off. Question number one comes from Bongus he wrote Bongus question question number two comes from Tim. Tim wrote it hurts a little when I pee which is not a question but I wanted to let you know anyway. I get that Oliver asked what is the best Taco Bell item I like anything with the Doritos Loco Shell. That's kind of my answer. She's a piece of potatoes. David? I don't go that often, but the Crunchwrap Supreme is...

1:04:57Classic? Yeah, pretty classic. You don't really like Taco Bell.

1:04:59Andrew Edwards:I haven't gone in a long time, but yeah, it's good. Anonymous says, no question, just love. Heart emoji. Appreciate you. Are they going to hack us? Anonymous says, yeah. Harvey asks, Ellis, why are you so funny? Born this way. Nice. taco bell's chimichungus asks when is dj cafe 84 coming back dj cafe 84 is a name that i dj'd with in college all of three times i don't know how you know that um that's crazy it was anonymous that that is an arduar yeah that's like the level of this um still keep me nameless please asked is ellis real or is he actually adam's ventriloquist puppy

1:05:45Andrew Edwards:interesting interesting very true uh brandon asked how many total responses to this survey like 1600 i want to say maybe even more before i answer 10 questions thank you guys for for for coming out in mass for this uh yeah like 16 17 ish 100 1666 um good year craig hyundai asks I don't know. It's probably a war. Wait. Craig Hyundai, which I can only assume. Is that like John Photography? Yeah, it's like John Photography. I like what you're doing with the cars, man. Craig Hyundai, killing it. Top three Chrome extensions. I'm going to sit out from this one because I only use one and it's cloth. I should look at what I'm using.

1:06:28Andrew Edwards:Yeah, okay. Okay, I know. I really like what font is a great Chrome extension. Oh, that one is good. You can highlight anything on any page and it tells you what the font is. Amazing. Ublock Origin is classic. Send to Kindle for Google Chrome. Good. Do you have a Kindle? I have a Kindle app. Yeah. Oh, the Hide Shorts for YouTube is good. Yeah.

1:06:58Marques Brownlee:I only have the Amazon Price Tracker one and Google Docs offline. That's it. this one comes from Cat and Jazz and it's just an interesting question what is everyone's favorite sound made by a piece of tech that is not produced by the speaker so for example a hinge closing a certain brand mouse click lens attaching to a camera things like that whoa that's so good that is so good really good okay I had a couple things pop into my head I want to pick a best but there's some really good ones David you'll agree with this one Hasselblad lens clicking on that was mine that's a that's a nice I wish I could put it right in front of the mic and you could hear it.

1:07:37Marques Brownlee:That is a primo funk sound. Yeah. The Leaf Shutter as well. But I also think of like a really nicely sealed... Like the MacBook closing? That's pretty good. Subtle. Yeah, decent. There are definitely multiple devices that I think are generally bad devices, but have such good clamp feeling or when you close them, it's such a satisfying clomp that I keep using it just because it's satisfying.

1:08:15Multiple foldable phones are like that where the action force of closing it is just very satisfying.

1:08:22Andrew Edwards:The OnePlus Open has a really nice... Sound. Okay. Okay. My Hasselblad FlexTite drum scanner, virtual drum scanner, when I scan with it, it goes...

1:08:41And it goes...

1:08:44Sounds like it's struggling for the first half. Bob, get off the phone! Yeah, it does that for 15 minutes. So, I like the last sound. It's nice. I'm trying to remind myself of these. This is such a good question. yeah but there there are many there are quite a few yeah i definitely thought of first the Hasselblad leaf shutter from the phones even like not even the cameras just like the phone that have the partnership oh that's the orange button and you get the leaf okay but you gotta that's the speaker oh you're right you're right i'm thinking the actual leaf you gotta experience the pentax 67 is this old it's the pentax 67 is this old uh medium format film camera and the shutter on that is insane it's like you're shooting a bazooka andrew's gonna have some keyboard

1:09:28Andrew Edwards:suggestions. I don't know if it's like a favorite all time, but we recently for the Avid heads, we just got an Avid S1 in our audio room, which is a Pro Tools controller with flying faders. And so when you load up a layout or a preset, all of the faders jump to the correct point and it sounds kind of like this.

1:09:57Andrew Edwards:i don't know if it's like a nice sound but i just get really excited watching the faders go like you know what that reminds me of is the logitech mx master um when you switch it into like free flow mode versus like the clicky mode it's like yeah this is an asmr episode i've just thought

1:10:13Marques Brownlee:also in the car world there's so many of these certain switches and cars are really good but the door closed sound on some of these cars the german cars oh my god the perfect seal wow really

1:10:26Andrew Edwards:good question yeah really good question great question yeah oh also my water bottle makes this sound yeah that's sick where can i get one of those that's all right mkbhg.com love it uh this question comes with ohelvia which is what is the hardest part about staying unbiased on waveform

1:10:43Marques Brownlee:hardest part the hardest part is just getting everything factually correct

1:10:47Andrew Edwards:but that's the unbiased part is easy i think yeah i feel like sometimes i try to if i know i'm like dunking like making a lot of jokes because it's i feel like it's all jokes you know what i mean um if i'm making a lot of jokes about a product i'll like try to be like okay well here's something nice about it to to balance it out a little bit but i don't know i think i don't know yeah i guess

1:11:09Marques Brownlee:you guys right like it's it's not hard i do have a thing now where i this came from making a product so we made panels and there was a good week where everyone on the internet was relentlessly dunking on it and that gave me a good window into what it's like when everyone's relentlessly dunking on your thing and 75 of it was just wrong and it was weird because people would pile on repeating the wrong thing. And it wouldn't make sense for me to pop out and be like, hey, here, this is wrong because we knew that so many other things are wrong. It wouldn't make sense for me to defend certain things and leave other things.

1:11:47Marques Brownlee:So I just kind of let it all happen. And so now when we go in to criticize something, I have this extra lens of like, we need to make sure we're right about the things we're criticizing because if we're just repeating something that someone else repeated wrong, then that makes us look worse, especially to the person who made the product. And we might meet that person we might know that person we might lose respect from people in this in the industry who see us repeating the wrong thing so i want to make sure every time when it's correct or when it's incorrect we're at least saying the correct thing like the right thing yeah the accurate thing yeah because i've seen what it looks like when they don't i think it's valuable to get context too like most people are like how could they have let this slip through the cracks and it's like a lot of the time they know that a thing is like that in a product right and usually they have a reason for doing it.

1:12:36Now that reason could be valid or less valid. You could be like a regular person doesn't use this thing this way. But usually there's a reason why they made the thing a certain way. Sometimes there is no reason.

1:12:47Marques Brownlee:Yeah. Sometimes the volume of the Subaru is full screen. No reason. Well there's a reason. I mean someone made that decision. Someone did make that decision and we can ridicule that but we should think long and hard about why they made that decision and then go okay yeah that was dumb. It's dumb. Yeah which is fine. They can be wrong. Yes. It's like Samsung making the part of the screen the inside of the fold, like a screen protector, but it's actually the screen. But, you know, we do criticize products all the time, and we always have to remember that there is nobody who knows these products better than the people who make them.

1:13:16Yeah.

1:13:16Marques Brownlee:Because they know what it could be capable of, what it, you know, they know where they stopped in development, where it could have done something else and it didn't. They know exactly where its boundaries are, what its limitations are, and they strategically thought of ways to minimize costs and what boundaries they wanted to hit. all these things that we find out by using it but that that i'm always conscious of that relationship because when we make a product and we know things about it that other people don't know and then they're just spewing wrong things i'm like oh yeah damn and that's the hard thing about the internet too is that everyone sees a different timeline so the things that you could correct somebody about something and most of the people will not see your correction will just keep repeating the the incorrect you know statement so yeah it's tough i mean first i gotta say like the concept of bias is not, like, it's impossible to not be biased.

1:14:04Like, it's literally impossible. You know, you can go, you can just deliver facts, sure, but almost every way that you deliver the facts, if you rearrange the sentence in a different way, it's got a different connotation. It's gonna skew things a little bit differently. Everyone has their personal opinions about whether it's anthropic versus open AI, whether it's, you know, like, every single thing. Your personal opinion, as hard as you try to not let it influence your reporting will in some way influence your reporting. That's just a fact.

1:14:35Marques Brownlee:So that's what you sign up for as a reader. Yeah. Or a viewer. Like when I'm watching this person's review, what I'm signing up for is their take on this thing. Right. Because if you just want a spec sheet, you can read a spec sheet, but that's, I think, ultimately what people are here for is they trust our take on things. Yeah. The bias that people generally talk about is like is someone getting like paid to say a certain thing. Like that's a true, that's like an obvious bias. Yeah. but um yeah

1:15:00Andrew Edwards:Ramonim2 asked if you could pick an old phone design and put modern cameras and software on it what would it be and why there's a correct answer

1:15:09Marques Brownlee:there's a couple correct answers but there's you're gonna say Nexus 6P no I think you guys are glazing that phone for no reason what why are you so no Nexus 6P is nice but like it's iconic it's not the correct answer it's iconic the 6P yes the Huawei with the visor at the top yes why that one It was metal. It was beautiful. It had a great screen. It didn't rock on a table. The visor was awesome. Okay, but if you just want a nice metal, well-built phone with new specs, do the HTC One. Yeah, but that one had huge bezels. Yeah, the bezels are crazy. Yeah, because it had boom sound speakers. Yeah, it did have boom sound.

1:15:45And it had a kickstand. Who needs speakers? It had incredible speakers. I will say the HTC Thunderbolt with the kickstand was pretty sick. But it was also my first. Kickstand was nice. Yeah, the kickstand was hot.

1:15:56Marques Brownlee:A phone, the Thunderbolt, but actually lasting all day on a charge would be nice. Yeah, the Thunderbolt burned me. I had to return it because it burned in my hand. Damn. And I got a Samsung Droid Charge instead, which was worse by a factor of like 30. It's funny because these phones all have such like electric names and then have horrible batteries. Yeah. Yeah. I think the correct answer is the Samsung Galaxy Nexus. The correct answer. No, it's not. No, what? That phone. No. That OLED. No. That slightly curved screen. Mm-mm. That perfect size. Nada. It was made of plastic. Yeah, but it had the rechargeable, pop the battery out the back and swap a new one in.

1:16:32Marques Brownlee:That was nice. Keep that. Yeah, I guess. I mean, yeah, bring that back. Yeah. Yeah.

1:16:37Andrew Edwards:The real correct answer, guys, is the Samsung Exclaim M550. You're going to make me Google this? It's a feature phone. Oh, I'm not going to Google this. It's a feature phone and has a slide-out numpad and a separate slide-out keyboard.

1:16:52Marques Brownlee:So what are you modernizing?

1:16:53Andrew Edwards:The camera? And the battery? Yeah, and get Google Maps and email. That's all you need. And the antennas, because I don't think it had anything past 3G in it. T-Mobile G1 or the Sidekick? Give me one of those. Yeah, exactly.

1:17:09Marques Brownlee:The G1 or the Sidekick? Y 'all like the physical keyboard. I would love a Sidekick. Well, they both had physical keyboard. Oh, the digital. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The trackball is nice. The trackball is nice. Wait, so the Galaxy Nexus didn't have the trackball, but the Nexus 1 had the trackball. The trackball, yeah. That's a good one. That was the first Android phone. Well, the G1. The G1. The G1. Had the keyboard. But then the Nexus one had the RGB lit trackball. That with today's tech would be pretty sick. That was fire. That'd be nice.

1:17:38Andrew Edwards:Here's a question for Andrew. Why do you look at the ceiling when you're speaking?

1:17:46Marques Brownlee:Well, I'm looking for the answer. I just thought of a really sassy answer to the last question. What? The iPhone Air. give me the iphone air but with modern internals that's so good yeah anyway they put silicon carbon yeah give me like two good cameras silicon carbon like real speakers telephoto

1:18:03Andrew Edwards:yeah man oons o-o-n-z oons asked is there a company like pantone but for sounds which is whoa that would be a frequency response It's true. It's like Uber for sound. There are various sound standards, organizations that set standards for various things. The short answer is kind of...

1:18:33David Imel:THX.

1:18:34Andrew Edwards:Yeah, THX would be an example of one of these companies. Dolby would be another example of one of these companies. And what they're doing is they're saying, if you deliver your audio meeting these specs, it will sound like this on these systems. so kinda alright this question comes from Owen if you couldn't talk about tech on the podcast what would it be about? I think that's pretty clear

1:18:57Marques Brownlee:this would be an NBA podcast what would I do? we would explain everything

1:19:02Andrew Edwards:to you in technical component that would actually be really fun the token dumb guy no we not because

1:19:13get out of here now Andrew wouldn't know what to do either right yeah Andrew and I would start our own podcast and you guys could have your basketball podcast tech is kind of everything though tech is everything that's that's like if you say photography it's just tech still I know it's even policy is tech I know it's crazy it's like if you say cars it's kind of when we used to cover tech it used to be just for the nerds and like geeks and then eventually it just bled into everything and the tech companies are everything now because everything is a tech company. Yeah. Even all birds.

1:19:51That's not going to get old anytime soon. Jeepee. Baby. This one comes from AJ. Who do the Waveform podcast hosts listen to as their Waveform podcast? Oh, wow. I'm kind of embarrassed. Tech? Am I allowed to say? I don't really know. They specifically asked about tech, but I figured it doesn't have to be about tech if you listen to something else. I don't know what you guys listen to.

1:20:11Andrew Edwards:I listen to a lot of podcasts. I don't I read the verge I really like yeah I'll usually go through like tech meme once a day and see what's going on who are some like tech ridges I really like I really like I think hard fork is like one of the best shows right now yeah they're really good I know there's a sub stack by a guy named Matt Stoller called big that's about monopolies and so it ends up covering like he covered all the antitrust stuff. Is it a limited series? It's a sub stack. Oh. Yeah. It's a word. Is it a limited series? Infinite. Matt Stoller will never stop. I really like that. Yeah.

1:20:50Andrew Edwards:I like the American Prospect. Prospect.org. I will say I dis... I hate even... Okay. I like listening to Pivot. I disagree with both Kara and Scott a lot. However, when When Scott is gone, I really dislike the episodes. So there's something about their chemistry. Like a lot of people say they listen to Waveform because of our chemistry, right? Because we're all in love with each other. It's electric. It's electric. It's electric. Anyway, and they just have really good chemistry. And it's just really fun to listen to people who are enthusiastic with good chemistry who are also pretty smart in a number of categories, even if they're wrong a lot like us.

1:21:36Andrew Edwards:I think that show also is good to listen to for us because we don't necessarily need other people's opinions on like new devices. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like I love hearing other people's opinions, but generally we form our own opinions. Yeah. But for things like big tech policy news. Policy, business. Hard Fork generally has like a really large part of their podcast dedicated to those topics. Hard Fork is just great in general. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They also have very good banter. Yeah. Holy smokes. Sorry. Trivia time. Trivia, dude. Question number one. Coming to us from Mojave. Mojave. What was the last iPad to ship with iOS?

1:22:15Oh, last to ship with iOS? Yes. Shoot. Correct. I'm just going to leave it. See what happens.

1:22:28Marques Brownlee:Like specific model. Shit. Indeed. The WH-1000X M5 iPad.

1:22:38Marques Brownlee:I don't even think I'm right. The iPad Air Gen 6. What do you got? Okay, well, we're both wrong. I said iPad Air 3. What? Oh, I was right. That's crazy. The piss yellow one? Oh, I actually got it. Wow. Another piss device. Wow. Yeah. I wrote iPad Pro Gen 1. Yeah. Yeah, because remember last iPad to have iOS, and I was thinking first iPad to have iPadOS. Yeah, but that's not the same thing. Wow, I'm shocked I got that right. Well, I'm also shocked you got that right.

1:23:15Andrew Edwards:Stab in the dark. A broken clock is right twice a day, folks. Question two is, closer to that going over, how many emojis are there in the Apple keyboard?

1:23:24Marques Brownlee:I'm going to write the number that I, that popped into my head. and cross my fingers cross my fingers hope to die I think I'm wrong but last time I thought I was wrong you were right you might be right twice a day I think I'm way too low remember I said wow when I saw the answer many years ago

1:23:53Andrew Edwards:so from and read what do you got I have 647 and David 3100 David the point is yours there I'm is it 3247 or something I'm finding a few different numbers and I think it's because some of them are counting all the different like skin tones and stuff but it seems like the general consensus is there is about 3700 nice 3700 emojis

1:24:17Marques Brownlee:yep

1:24:19Andrew Edwards:that number feels high

1:24:21Marques Brownlee:it does but I also saw that number recently and I was like crazy well we learned something new David got another point. He really didn't need it. You got another point too. I got a point. Basically nothing happened except Andrew fell below in the rankings. I desperately needed that.

1:24:36Andrew Edwards:Do you think Andrew will name his new son emoji? I would.

1:24:40Marques Brownlee:I don't know. We'll have to ask him. We'll see. Yeah. Anyway, thank you so much for all the questions. It's fun when we kind of get to go off the rails on our not so regularly scheduled programming. Our next episode we will be back on our regularly scheduled programming and so for that, we will see you soon. Peace. Wave Hermes Producer, Adam and Liana and Alice Proven We are part of the Vox Media Podcast Network, and our intro-outro music is by Vane... Sill. What?

1:25:15Marques Brownlee:There were still woolly mammoths alive when the pyramids were built.