YOUR Reactions to the iPhone Duo!

27:12I don't. He's a six-time World Cup goalie for Mexico. Oh, I do remember. You remember the memes about the wall of this guy that was like, he's been to the World Cup six times. He's one of the most famous soccer players in Mexico. Football. I say soccer because whatever. But he came to the Apple event. Oh, really? I saw him. I got a picture with him. It was really cool. That's really cool. And they're bringing like one of the most famous football players from Mexico. So I thought that was also really interesting. That's sweet. It is interesting because like, sorry, Andrew, did you want to? No. I was going to say it is interesting because the speed thing, there was a moment when they were talking about the A20 and they're talking about how they swapped some of the cores around and they moved the CPU in the phone so that it has direct contact with the vapor chamber.

28:00And I just kept thinking like, how much overlap is there between speed's audience and like silicon? You know, like. I think he was probably trying to entertain during that part, knowing his audience was like, what is a vapor chamber? It is just interesting, like how I want to say I feel for Apple, but it's such a tough thing to like, you need to get all this technical information out there for people like us who like do care about the cores in the chip. And then you're also trying to make the general public care about a chip, you know? I think it's for different audiences. Speed, I mean, I think you're right in Speed's audience is probably wanting to know about like the camera or like how the fold works or multitasking or like general purpose daily stuff.

28:49But that's why they bring people from all walks of life. Speaking of camera, did you get a chance to use the camera on the fold? Yes, I did. There's like a lot going on with a camera. so you can like put it up like a laptop and then you can shoot this way you can put up like a laptop and shoot the other way you can do the the thing where you're using the main cameras with the selfie oh like backwards yeah and actually holding it since the device is a bit more horizontal holding it like this with the cameras on top and the like the screen on the bottom i think that's gonna be like the new vlogging and meta it's really comfortable like a sony like flip-up screen yeah yeah it's like a flip-up screen and it works so well it works really really cool um i'm definitely gonna use it for that uh sorry are you gonna no no that's okay you said you're definitely gonna use it oh i guess you're gonna review it um we're trying to find someone who actually thinks of it being their main device do you see it yeah yeah okay you're the first person out of like six so far.

29:56A lot of people are like, yeah, cool. Nah. Nah, definitely my main device. Like I'm going to miss the telephoto. That might be your main device if you break that on camera. It should be, like I'll miss the telephoto camera. I like things about... It does have telephoto, no? No, no. I thought it was 12 megapixel telephoto and then it had the 48... It's ultra wide. Fusion ultra wide. It's like the main camera and the ultra wide. Is it? Okay, then I've been saying literally everything wrong. I need to double check that. I really thought they said... The Fusion camera is the one with the ultra-wide and there's a separate 12 megapixel telephoto, I thought.

30:33Oh, maybe I'm wrong. You should double check that. Maybe everyone says we're wrong anyway, so it doesn't matter if we are. Someone's wrong. We'll fact check that. We can fact check it. Like I used the device, right? So it has the 1X, it has the 2X, and it has the 0.5X. Yeah. So there's no 4X and no 8X like on the Pro. So I think that's why there's no telephoto lens. Okay, interesting. It should be the ultra wide, which is 0.5, and then the normal, which is 1X, and then 2X optical zoom, but it's just like the sensor crop. But it was a bit confusing because I had the same. It seems confusing. On the keynote, they said like telephoto, and then it's like not.

31:15It was a little bit weird. They did a lot of that, I feel like. A lot of going back and forth between things, and I would be like, oh, this is that. I wrote it down. Oh, now we're talking about something else. Or what? They said silicon in the battery. Now we're not talking about the battery anymore. So that part was a little confusing. What do you think of the price? $2 ,000. You heard all sorts of rumors, like$2 ,500. And I'm starting to think that Apple plants those rumors. Like$2 ,500,$3 ,000, and then they come out with the$2 ,000. So everyone's like, oh, it's not too bad. um because that's what i'm thinking it's not too bad if you're getting like an ipad mini and an iphone in one device ipad min is what 500 an iphone is like a thousand dollars a little bit more i mean i think during ramageddon ended just being iple apple notoriously expensive i expected 2500 i was very surprised by 19.

32:10i i i think it's gonna do really well i think it will cell and it will be my main device definitely because i i just enjoy the form factor it feels fresh it feels different the animations are just everything like flows perfectly you're glowing i was doing the multitasking thing and um so you open an app on the multitasking and on the other side you get like a whole other iphone like if you quit one the app on the left side you get a whole other iphone and you just you can tap away and open another app it's like it works just really well. They did really good on the software. You're making me want it.

32:48Yeah. I mean, you'll try it when you get like the review unit and all that stuff. Oh, you can decide. I'll have to get it out of Marquez's hands. Yeah. Can I ask a quick question of, so when you're not there, you were at the event, we were not. There's generally a time where the CEO will come out and speak to the audience for a couple of minutes. In the video, John Ternus said, hello and welcome, correct did he say the same thing on stage because we're trying to figure out if this is going to be a uh repetitive like a catchphrase yeah yeah catchphrase uh there was no catchphrase he just came out and it was a little bit weird i didn't hear like the first word he was just like i think he said hi maybe but it was like or it wasn't very memorable it wasn't it's not a great catchphrase it wasn't memorable but he he did say something really cool he said um in uh i've been 25 years at apple and i never thought i would like get to have this role and i'm very excited and like he did like a two one minute speech which was it was fun and then he went off stage and the keynote started and he he also came out on the hands-on area yeah so people were giving like selfies with him and the same as tim cook used to do yeah he got on speed stream yeah he got on speed stream yeah yeah he speed like waited for him they took a selfie with the camera and everything with the duo that's cool it was funny so you got to test a bunch of stuff with the cameras you said did you get to use the underscreen camera because this is the first apple underscreen camera that yes think of it's it's interesting i i like i like the little detail so i don't always focus on that um it if it's turned off you see the whole screen but if you look carefully it does look a little bit like you you can tell where it is the pixels are like i think the pixels are bigger or smaller i don't know what it is um but it it if you look for it you can see it okay um and once you open the selfie camera what i thought was interesting um you turn on the selfie camera and it's not only uh like a perfect circle you get a little bit like a pill shape yeah and the pill shape is so you can see the green indicator recording the recording light yeah so you get that like pill box which is like all in one with a camera turned on and the green light at the side of it.

35:06I am interested to see that because that felt like something they glossed over very quickly in the event. It was like, oh, yeah, and it's hidden for FaceTime. And here it is. And then something else. So I'm because we haven't seen an under display. I didn't really test the quality. It looks fine. I don't know if it's like worse quality than the other selfie camera. But it is interesting that they put it under the screen. Thank you so much for joining us again. If you want to tell the camera where people can find you. Yeah, just TechSantos everywhere, TikTok, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, of course.

35:36My main thing is YouTube. My content is in Spanish. If you speak Spanish or want to learn Spanish, you can head over there. I think it's AI dubbed, but it sucks. now. Yeah, watch it in Spanish. But thank you for having me on. I'm a big fan of waveforms, so this is a really cool experience for me too. And hopefully we'll do it again. Yeah, of course. Thanks for joining us. Cool. Cool.

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37:35USLAC store online for details. One, two, three, and to the four. We're back because you wanted some more with Dhruv. Dhruv Mohan. What's so funny? What's so funny? I'm sorry. What was your name, I heard? Say it to my face. It's Dhruv Mohan. I'm from India. Great to meet you. Yeah, thanks for joining us. Thank you so much. And you are wearing the journalist badge. Who do you write for? Who do you work for? What do you do? Tell us about yourself. Absolutely. So I actually cover consumer technology and AI as well for the Economic Times. It's an Indian publication. And it's my second Apple iPhone event.

38:07So I'm glad to be here again. Sick. I'm doing this with you guys. Okay, so we got into it and I stopped our really interesting conversation because I wanted to have it on camera about batteries. Yeah. Because we're both excited. There's silicon in the battery. We've been waiting for this. Marquez, I'm sure, is just over the moon about this. But you brought up a really interesting point that they never called it like a silicon carbon or a silicon carbon battery like you hear a lot of Chinese phones. Unless I missed it in the event, but I didn't hear it. We were confused. We heard them say silicon.

38:38They said it multiple times. Yes. And we were like, does that confirm it? They moved on already. It was quick. And they said it for both the pros and the do as well. They said it for the both of them. When we were talking to Samsung and we were trying to ask them, like, is this a silicon carbon battery? They kept saying, no, but it has a little silicon. I was actually there in London when it launched. Okay. So during the briefings as well, we really had to get it out of them. But they were quite open about it once they mentioned how the entire Hint situation is working on the Ultra. Okay. So that's how they opened it about.

39:12And battery size got reduced. they were making the point that the the this new smaller battery has the same battery life as the 17 Pro and then or 17 whatever yeah yeah or I've been seen pro the 18 is more than the 17 pro max yes that's what you're getting yeah um so you're excited that the iPhone finally has some silicon in its battery yeah so I'll give you a context I actually was using the 15 pro and 16 to the regular the regular variants and last year I finally got to test the 17 Pro Max and the battery capacity that jumped from in that device itself I was really happy and frankly speaking I like the charging speeds as well I'm not really I'm not going to vilify it unnecessarily it's quite good but today what we have seen especially with a 15 minute charging time that we saw that it can go from zero to 50 in 15 minutes that's what they're claiming I think the number will be very close to that because optimization has always been Apple's forte so I am really looking forward to test that feature so particularly Why do you think Apple sort of danced around with their words calling it like a silicon carbon battle?

40:17Because it's Apple. They do that with everything. Actually, I'll be honest with you. I don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I feel that two technical details is something that generally what Chinese do. The consumers that Apple is taking care of do not want to get into that much detail. It's fair. I feel that way a lot of times because I've been covering it for a while and you guys would know more. I mean, of course. No, no. But I feel that the language is generally for the enthusiast crowd. For example, when Marcus is always talking about the OnePlus 15 battery and everything, that's a crowd.

40:50At the end of the day, OnePlus is an enthusiast device. At the end of the day. I mean, that's how the inception is like that. But the iPhone has always been for the masses. And I think you don't really need to get into that grammar to explain the feature. That's what I feel. I think that's what I meant by they're Apple. Like, when has Apple said a milliamp hour? Or when have they said a RAM? They just never, ever do that. Storage, maybe. And like, all day battery life. The word is optimization. That's the word. And it works really well. And they did say, you said you're excited for battery. Did they not say this was the biggest battery improvement of any iPhone generation ever?

41:25Which I'm also wondering what they're meaning because are they talking about base 17? Because we didn't get base 18. So do they get to make the comparison? That's one thing Apple likes to do their comparisons and never really say exactly what they're comparing it to. I think today they were I felt that they were a bit lenient today because the performance numbers that they had shown was against the 16 pro and the 17 pro max. So I've got to give it to them for that. At least they were ready. And the numbers were quite. Yeah. The leap was quite impressive. Yeah, it was. Duo. We have to talk about battery question.

41:58I'm curious because iPhones, almost to the point of conspiracy, are notorious for having battery drops. Or the quality of the battery drops over the course of the iPhone's lifetime. Do you think we will see more of that now that there's some silicon in the battery? I honestly, I used to, it's not a myth. This has been observed over time. But at least for the last three devices that I've tested, the 15 Pro, 16 Pro, and the 17 Pro Max, I did not feel that way. To give you an example, the 15 Pro that I still have that, and the battery health is about 78 % right now. Okay. And I've used it extensively because generally my iPhones are the products that I shoot with and I travel across with it, MWC, IFA.

42:44I was just at IFA. I was shooting with an iPhone. So, no, not really. I mean, I think, I don't know. Maybe the Indian variants are different, but it's not like that. At least that's what I've observed. I don't know. Sick. All right. Now we can talk about it. Now we can talk about it. Let's get to it. First thing I want to ask you. Yeah. Name. But I have to firstly say that it's very expensive in India. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, I know. So that's first thing. It's about three lakhs. It's 300 ,000 for the people in America. We can't say lakhs in America, I've been told. So 300 ,000. We do have an appetite for expensive phones.

43:16And then we do not care about the naming or the nomenclature. So honestly, I don't mind the name, to be frank with you. Yeah, I think the only reason some people don't like it is because of the Microsoft duo. Yeah Now I've said Mike Microsoft's getting more press from there the Apple release than they ever had for their actual duo right now A lot of my thoughts and opinions come from an Indian context and do the duo was never a big hit in Microsoft

43:44But in India it was not very people are not aware about the device at all a majority of them The duo name is actually associated with the ASUS laptops that we get in yes Yes, okay. And that is a big hit, by the way, in India. So honestly, I don't think that at least the name is going to have a problem in my market, in my country. I don't think so. That's cool. That's interesting. Any other thoughts about Duo? We have, I mean, I know you said price is extremely expensive for you. So, I mean, for us, we were actually surprised it was cheaper. I'm not trying to call it cheap, but it was less than we all thought Apple was going to make it.

44:16Certainly. Yeah. Certainly. See, it's expensive, but we have to also take into consideration that the entire global crisis that's happening right now, this is something that the consumers have understood. Because a little bit of more context from an Indian perspective, like you have Black Friday sales in America, back in India, Diwali sales are very huge. And that's when we see a big drop in prices. So what happens is that this time around, we are not seeing that trend. So naturally around so there are two three spikes that we see in sales in India One is in August and one is in November come Diwali and so far in August the sales were not really like We did not see any spike in sales because of the price drop particularly So the audience is actually very well aware the consumers are aware that this is crisis that's happening This is for sure.

45:02Yeah, I am but the devices the device looks good. I'll be honest with you I tested it out. I really like the optimized way. Oh, yeah, you're okay You're the first person we're talking to that I've seen it. Yeah, we obviously cuz like we only saw it on the event Apple is clearly going to make sure it looks perfect all the time. Did you get to see a crease? No. Really? You can watch my video. Okay. It's live. It's live already? Yeah. That's impressive. How? I edited it at the Steve's Offset. I sat on the floor and I edited the video on my MacBook. That's awesome. Damn. Yeah. I don't shoot on red cameras, so I can manage this.

45:34That's awesome. Okay, so you didn't feel like you saw a crease. No crease. No crease. No. No. None at all? And the ceramic, by the way, it's pretty good. It is? The quality is really good. It was really funny that there's Ceramic Shield 1 on the back and Ceramic Shield 2 on the front. I mean, at the end of the day, they have to take care of the front display more because, I mean, let's be honest, the majority of the usage is going to be closed up, I feel. I think you're right with that, but also just like the interior screen has to fold. The exterior screen doesn't have to fold, so it's going to inevitably be...

46:06I spent about 20 minutes with the device inside Apple Park, and I realized that it's a very well put together device because they have taken their sweet time to build it, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They have a lot of context. There's seven generations behind Samsung. Yeah, so it does look good. And I have to say the software optimization, especially the information bar that you pop down, the new change that they have done, it looks really good. Cool. Did the animations... Wow, I have so many questions now that I realize that you've actually touched this thing. You work with the god of YouTube, you can ask him.

46:34Yeah, we're not going to see... They have a minute. When we were watching things, we felt like some of the animations looked a little choppy and we weren't sure if it was our bad hotel TV. Did the animation seem iPhone smooth or? Honestly, I was a bit skeptical about the one that when it opens up, so the transition animation. Like the gradient? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was a bit skeptical about that, but at least the ones that I have seen inside, they were really smooth. Cool. Yeah, they were really smooth. And it gave that same sense of like opening, even when you're not like straight up? Oh, yeah, the continuity was like there, yeah.

47:07Wow. Yeah. Cool, man. I felt that way at least, yeah. I'm totally impressed with the device, and I'm sure that in India we will be very receptive about it for sure. Cool. Come October. Before we let you go get some AC, where can people find your video? You can check it out at Economic Times. It's on YouTube and it's on Instagram, and you can check it out on my LinkedIn as well. Dhruv Mohan. Peace. Cool. Dhruv, thank you so much. Thank you very much. I just want to talk to you. Thank you. Thanks for joining us. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome back to the Heatform Sweatcast sponsored by Perspiration.

47:40I am here right now with Brett, who you may remember from last year. Happy to be back. Sweet. Well, thanks for agreeing to speak to us again. I'm glad we weren't horrifying monsters. I don't know why this is not working. You got to talk. Okay. Well, I want to start off with, I remember when you joined us last year, the very first thing learning about the type of content you make was, I think you said you made 24 videos already by the time we talked to you. I think I've upped that. I wanted to ask, where are you right now? We are approximately, what, three, three and a half hours after the event?

48:14I'm approaching 30. I think I'm in my high 20s. 30 videos? Yeah, I mean, I don't want to make myself up to be this crazy production machine. To be fair, a lot of those are what's been really successful in the past is just clipping the keynote. and I've got this crazy setup of like three phones. My hack this year, usually a big problem when uploading a ton of clips is just like bandwidth to get on the internet. If the wifi is awful, if your cell service is awful. So this year I bought six eSIMs from six different providers and I have them rotating to make sure that I had the service to go through.

48:47And then I'm constantly clipping as it goes. I need a behind the scenes like day in the life of you at one of these events because it's fascinating listening to how you pull this off. I love it. It's cool. It's like an ever-longing problem that I will never solve. That's so sick. That I'll just continue chipping away at. So what has been the standout announcements, features, etc., etc., etc. for you? I mean, there's the big obvious one, which I almost don't even want to talk about because it's so obvious. It's the iPhone Duo. It's really cool. A lot we could talk about there. But there were two that I don't think got enough hype.

49:19One for me is the AirPods 5. Okay, I was going to make a joke, be like, AirPods 5, right? Everyone's talking about it. Like it's even, and I feel like it's even more so than they deserve. Obviously it's really cheap, but like I love the in-ear style bud. I use the AirPods 4 ANC for ages until I reached for my AirPods Pro 3 and I realized how good the noise cancellation was. And then all of a sudden I missed the noise cancellation and I missed my little swipe stem. Now seeing that lower price point with the ANC and the swipe stem, I think that like solves the AirPod for me. It almost feels like they're trying to move away from like a pro non-pro distinction and just make it like the same product offering, but one has tips.

50:00Or at least that's where it felt like they were pushing it. That's what I was hoping for. Yeah. Like I think that could seriously come down to some people just like how it fits in their ears better. Yeah. I don't like the regular ones. I need the tip on it, but not everyone does. To me, like I wear them. It's insane. I wear them obviously nine to five as I'm working. I wear them when I work out. I actually wear AirPods while I sleep. I like the active noise cancellation. I usually listen to YouTube videos. and the when I wear the pros they kind of stick in my ear you lay in the pillow they like dig in there the I love that the in-ear style they just kind of sit in there nicely they're not too invasive and they just they just fit my ear better so I I've since the pro threes were announced I've always said the I it's long I wish we had these pro features on the airpods and you got thank you john turnus now we're now we're here yeah you said two things yeah the other the other thing I think was a really big deal.

50:49I don't, I mean, you said everybody's talking about it. I've just been editing videos. I don't know what everybody's talking about necessarily. We don't really either to be honest. Um, the really big, I forgot what it's called too, but it was Apple's heart, basically a hardware version of synth ID for images. Oh yes. Reference photo. That's what it was. I think that's a really good, a lot of the bigger companies like Google did a lot of it where they're kind of just facing in their presentations that, Hey, AI is kind of scary. You're right. And I think this is a really good step towards that. I think the execution of it on the hardware level is really good.

51:23I think stuff like that's always so tricky to communicate and consumers. It's so freaking cool and the implications of it are pretty incredible. It's going to be hard even as a creator that explains these things in layman's terms to really communicate how good and impressive that is that it's there. But I'm happy it is. That's the first time it's come up for us all day. Well, we've been asking pretty pointed questions on Duo and John Turnus. So it was something we were all like, wow, this is cool. It does always have that issue of like all these companies trying to have something in the metadata for gen AI.

51:54But the issue with it is, is I think the most people who are going to get tricked by something like that are never going to go the extra steps. But I like, I guess that's the give and take. It is cool that you can straight up just see like, no, this was the OG picture. And that's, that's impressive. Yeah. And it's, and done at the hardware level. I mean, there's all this stuff on synth ID. There's all these ways to get around it. Some of them are a lot more simpler than they'd probably like to admit. But I think, again, it's for the lay people who don't even want to know what Synth ID is and that weird edge case where their image gets out there and they need to know the originating.

52:26I think it's cool, and I think it does very little net harm for how much benefit. For sure. Yeah. And if they can integrate it with the ecosystem, you know, if you're browsing in Safari, being able to right-click on an image and run a verification check in your browser would just be incredible in Safari. Well, that's like you think about like, I mean, I don't know about you guys, like I not my parents necessarily, but I have my friends whose parents like you can text them like parents are aware of AI and they're texting kids like, is this AI? And it's a picture that's clearly AI. And the kid has to be like, yes, mom, that's very clearly AI.

52:59Thank you for asking. Like to have that question that you would text to your kids, just be a right click in Safari would be go a long way. Right. And obviously it's like, that's we're only within the Apple ecosystem here. We've got a long way to go. But I think it's just building tools that go towards that and implanting at the hardware level is pretty cool. I think I wish my parents were. I mean, I'm glad they're not. But like a few weeks ago, not like a year ago at this point, I got like a really convincing scam Bank of America text that I was like that close to falling for. And I had the thought I was like, I should text my parents.

53:29You know, they almost got me. My parents have a chance. And my mom literally responded with, you almost fell for that. And then the laughing, crying emoji. The tables have turned. I know, it's like, am I the boomer? I guess what I hadn't thought of in terms of being able to see the original image is in previous ones, a lot of people do use AI for maybe just some cleanup or something like that. And so a journalist might be looking at a photo and being like, oh, this does have AI, how much can I trust it? But to be able to physically see exactly what did get changed, hopefully then less reporting on stuff that we don't really know about.

54:04Yeah, exactly. Even if it's like, and it's so widespread now, where a lot of times those things aren't even malicious. It's just honest mistakes. Exactly. And you're just pulling an image that, oh, somebody took this picture of an iPhone, but the background just happens to have been edited to be slightly different. And then it gets posted. Then you get accused of using AI. Yes. Again, it's little things like that. I think, again, some people might think it's not a very big deal, but it does so little net harm putting it in there and can solve a lot of problems. And I love seeing those type of things.

54:29Yeah. No, it is a huge deal, actually. I'm really glad you brought it up. Yeah. You do a lot of home automation. That's the word I'm looking for. Or was there anything here that sparked your interest specifically in that category? No. Standby or something is the only thing I can think of some way. So every, I've been predicting it since WWDC or WWDC of three years ago. There is this leak in the Apple TV OS beta, like three OSs ago, for something called Home OS. And I've wanted it to be coming for ages. and the idea is it's going to be this OS that encapsulates the Apple TV and the HomePod. Maybe they bring a HomePod at the screen.

55:10They all get running this OS. And I was almost certain, if I was a betting man, I would put money on it. This would be the year we'd see it. Siri AI comes to the HomePod. It's this huge thing. All your home devices are connected. Your HomePod's useful now because it actually has a voice assistant that's going to hang out and actually work for you. And I thought, we're going to see an Apple TV. They're going to make the space for not launching the base model iPhone for that Apple TV. And it's all going to work. and then the presentation. Nothing. Yeah. Maybe later this fall. I thought there are still rumors of that screened HomePod going around.

55:41And it seems like we might have, I don't know if we're getting that OLED touchscreen MacBook Ultra or whatever. Now there's potentially room for more of a spring event if iPhone base is now moved over there. Who knows if iPhone Air could go over there. So maybe we could see something later. I really hope for, you mentioned iPhone Air, not to hard pivot us here. but I've always been since the day it launched with iPhone air of the theory that it's just a proxy for a foldable phone. And I think we're seeing that to be true, just making sure the durability is there. I would love to see the new iPhone air be a passport style.

56:16Oh, just like not folding, just basically the iPhone duo, but just the half like the, like a Newton with a phone. It's like, whatever it's like, everybody wants the mini. Everybody wants smaller phone, have this smaller and slightly wider phone. And I think people would be like, I think, I hope that's what we see. And if they make this big event around it, I'd be. I think that is what all the people listening to this podcast and all of us would like to see and probably something that will never happen because no one would ever buy it. And I don't want, I'll buy 10 if you make an Apple. I'll put some revenue on the bottom line.

56:47How do we get, how do we get to the long phone? Like, like that's a remote, you know, I guess it makes sense because, you know, a long skinny device, your thumb can across, I can reach better. but when I think of long skinny things, I think of don't look and control. And when I think of more square things, I think of things I'm actually interacting with, you know, or that are providing feedback. Is this crazy? No, I think it kind of makes sense. I feel like it's almost one of those things where it's like the, just what we've been used to has kind of driven the development of it. And like before the phones needed to be big and they wanted to be slim, so you'd hold it in one hand, so it kind of grew up.

57:23It's kind of like the like the QWERTY keyboard layout we have now. It's actually an awful keyboard layout. It's really, really bad. There's much better layouts out there to type more efficiently. But because everything built around it from being typist to hardware to software is just kind of what we use. And maybe that could be the reason of the phone's form factor. We develop apps for it. People's hands are used to holding it. If you want to sell a phone to a device and get a user to switch, you need to at least sell them something kind of familiar to be comfortable. Because I would much rather have a little passport, so I don't have to do that little thing where I can't reach the top, so I drop it kind of a little to reach my thumb up there, and then I have to hike it back up to reach my thumb back down.

58:02And we've done this before. Like, in the PDA, Palm Pilot, Apple Newton era, everything was sort of more squared off. I don't know if it was the same sort of, what was it, 1 by 1.4 was the ratio? They made a big deal about the ratio is the same on the inside. Adam's nodding like it is 1 to 1.4. Nice. It's insane knowledge to have. Nailed it. That's crazy. Insane ball knowledge, except I literally forgot about Apple reference photo for four hours. So, you know. Happy to be here. Thank you. Thank you so much. Do you have any thoughts on Ternus? Yeah, I think he did. I think he did great. I mean, I've been optimistic about him ever since the announcement.

58:44I think he's got the background to go in the new era that I think everybody thinks they're going into, the more innovative, more explorative era. um tim brought it up made it a scalable company made everybody like apple and now we're going back into the hopefully passport size super slim phone era uh yeah i was i was hoping we might see a live keynote but i know that was probably a little bit there was that weird like report that like apple's going back to live keynote but everyone's like this is just what they've been doing though i don't on twitter it was going around for a while and they're like sweet it's coming back, but I don't think they're ever going to leave it.

59:19It's too easy to nail everything. You need the person. And I think the big change was sure, maybe John is capable of it, but they've shifted so aggressively. Now that their product line is so diverse, when they have all the product leads coming out, like you can't expect what Steve Jobs has been thinking about the MacBook Air for 15 years, he could talk about that, like he owns it. But John Turner just can't talk about all the latest tech and the Apple watch, the iPad, all these products and stand confident in it without feeling like he's just rehearsing it. It's just impossible. so I don't think we ever can.

59:46I don't think you will. I was hoping, but I'm just happy to see him in person on stage. Philly guy. Is he? He went to Penn. We know almost nothing about him. He said Go Birds once. We don't know how old he is. We don't know his birthday. There's very little public information about him, but I do know he went to Penn. Go Sixers. We do know his birthday. I'm pretty sure we know all of those things. It sounds like we could start a concierge. He's 1 ,400 years old. No, no, no. When he got announced as an ex-CEO, I was reading all this info about him, and there was all this stuff, like, we don't know.

1:00:22You should stop using AI overview. It wasn't AI overview, okay? God damn. Is there, like, a robot test tube conspiracy theory that exists there? Like, Steve Jobs, like, skin cells regrown? Whoa. There is now. Yeah. Wait a second. Yeah. We got to get the YouTube video conspiracy thing, like, where you overlay the faces. Yeah, like, all red. Yeah, this is fascinating. Another thing I did really like, but again, it's one of those things that's so hard to talk about in the landscape, is the, I keep forgetting what they call things, but the Apple Watch always listening thing, the summary. I think it was called always listening or something.

1:01:01It was like that, yeah. I really like that. Did you? As somebody who's taken the time. The problem is the product is itself in its best state of non-malice. And if you assume everything's being done properly, it's cool. It's helpful. Accessibility. As long as you turn it off, it's cool. The problem is nobody's going to trust that. Yes. Now, Apple is the company to do it, if anybody. But most people haven't done the due diligence to understand how Apple runs their AI, how much compute power they have on board, all that stuff. So that it's so sensitive, but it's so cool. But I would hesitate to even talk about it as a creator because I know even if I was doing the best job communicating it, people are still going to be upset about it.

1:01:39It's going to be tough. I think my biggest issue with it is 15 seconds feels like so short that I would be referencing it while the person I was talking to is still standing right there. So like if a waiter is saying the specials, that's what you're talking about, right? I think we're on two separate features. You're talking about the rewind thing. You're talking about the meeting summary thing. Sorry. They're very similar. Okay, never mind. But one you have to prompt. I mean, they're both stemmed from the scary thing, which is your watch is always listening. But they're two features. And I don't think they did a good job explaining that.

1:02:09Yeah, because one is this rewind, more of an accessibility feature. The other is, I think they should have broken it out. Basically said, hey, it's the Plod Note Pin. I agree. It's for free on your phone and it's running on a local model. That sounds great, but because they looped it in with like always listening, I think it's a cool feature that I think has a lot of potential, but it's going to require a lot of like je ne sais quoi explaining it to audiences to really get the trust there. Yeah, I think the thing that was weird when they said it was like, you can turn it on or off whenever you want, which made it sound like an on-off switch.

1:02:38But then they also said like, or it just won't do it during night or this. It's like, so that means it sounds like it can be always going on and sometimes, but it doesn't like it has a physical on off switch, which is what it should have. From your perspective, because I'm churning through these, these butter thoughts, these are, I'm churning your milk thoughts into, into thought cream, thought butter. It's the title of this episode. But it's interesting that you said that we're going to need to educate people on what's going on because I've always been shocked at how fast the meta glasses have been adopted given that it's pretty public knowledge that what's recorded on there does get stored on a server owned by meta do you think apple consumers the apple market audience whatever you want to call it is more sensitive than the the general average consumer uh I think the meta glasses thing is more a product of somebody who's going to buy metaglasses is going to be a little bit more savvy and nerdy and willing to sacrifice to have such a device because they think it's so cool.

1:03:44Whereas Apple just by nature is going to be exposed to everybody. So I think it's more of like, not necessarily Apple consumers versus meta consumers, but just nerds versus not nerds, which is the difference. I like that. But I do think like, again, no matter what, everybody's going to be conscious of it. And again, it's like Apple does such a good job with data privacy in the world of AI. And it's like, it's insane how night and day it is compared to anybody, but it's communicating that in a way that doesn't sound as the comments would call it, like bootlicking or too technical to where it even makes sense to where it's not even worth explaining is so tricky.

1:04:20Yeah, no, totally. Cool. Thank you for having us. Where can our audience find you if they forgot from last year uh i am brett.tech uh everywhere youtube mostly short form tick tock instagram and then a little bit of youtube every now and then so if you want to go watch 87 videos from this event by the end of the night they'll probably be ready the amount of stuff you'll get out before this podcast goes live is wild i'm gonna go edit for four hours after this thank you for having me this is really fun as always awesome yeah and we're back Once again, still in Cupertino, still sweaty as possible.

1:04:54And right now we are here with... Vivan. Vivan. Yeah. Thank you for joining us. Gotta, gotta, gotta... Sorry, I'm short-circuiting in the heat. What did you think of the event? Honestly, I thought it was like, it wasn't as expected. I don't think they came out with anything too, you know, out of the norm. I think we all expected them to announce the duo. I think that's something that someone who follows like Twitter and rumors all of us agree with I think most people would be like wait a minute what just happened yeah but yeah other than that I think like nothing too crazy I think new CEO, Fold, maybe the biggest Apple event of the last decade, nothing too crazy there was something about the event that was so like AI feature heavy and software feature heavy I guess a lot of Apple events do software features but there was something I felt like alright like get on with it to me I don't know maybe that's rude I'm sorry I didn't mean to be rude but it's just like the whole time I just kept being like oh yep okay the watch listens oh yep the watch the lights are green now okay I don't know is that a bad take am I making a bad take do you think part of that is because we were all expecting the fold and we're all just kind of like can we just see the fold I think like the first like first 30 or so minutes was just all Apple intelligence, right?

1:06:13It was. I was like, just like, you know, get on with it. And they used the term AI a lot, which for a while they were trying, it felt like they were trying not to. It was very specifically Apple intelligence, Apple intelligence. I think at DubDub, they started being like a little more, everyone else's AI is doing this, but we're doing that. But I think Tern has said the term AI in the first one minute of him being passed over as the new CEO. You know, another thing is they normally do these like skits and trailers and like little cinematic-y things before each product or before each person. And this one, they just sort of passed it from executive to executive.

1:06:47You know what else is different about this one? Do you notice how many people were working in the background? Working. Working. I feel like they took this cinematic angle of like the Apple executives are sort of like in the space, but they're not actually there. like one time they're like what's his name was walking through a cafe while everyone's just like eating and talking and he's like doing that was kind of weird to me was it not weird to you i could see it it doesn't surprise yeah i thought it was weird that people were like at their desks like doing stuff while like that your boss is just like and another thing i found it weird i'm sorry clearly i'm in the minority here that's it ellis that happens to us all the time we're just at our that's where Marquez walks behind us.

1:07:30That is kind of like my job. So you said nothing was really surprising. Yeah. Was there anything that surprised you? I think the main thing that I noticed was the design of the duo. I think they went with a very wide passport size shape. And I think if you look at other foldables like the Z Fold, they have kind of like a candy bar shape. So I think that can be really interesting in terms of how you actually use the device. I think like my main thing is that like it looks like it's gonna be like pretty hard to use at least with one hand. You think so? Yeah. What I thought was impressive is we've seen some more squat passport styles with like fine den one of the pixel folds now the new Samsung the whatever the smaller one but the one thing I want to see is did you notice that animation that kept happening every time they folded from the outside screen it like almost Yeah, gradient it over.

1:08:26I can't, it was visually impressive on that, but we also only ever saw it at this perfect straight on angle. And I'm wondering if it does that in person and how that looks in person, or it's just going to turn into a slow animation that's going to get annoying after a while. I don't know. It's one of those things that they clearly thought of to be visually impressive at the keynote. And I think a lot of stuff is like Apple shot perfectly. let's see how it looks in person which we have not seen yet but now the camera the front facing camera is under the this i think the internal the so it has a hole punch cut out on the front screen and then when you open it yeah we haven't mentioned this at all it's a it's a underscreen selfie camera that appears when you're in facetime oh yeah because and i think in the images i saw the camera there um i think when they're using normally i didn't i didn't see it on the screen Interesting.

1:09:19Yeah. I want to see what the under display camera looks like, because for so long, we thought this was going to be the new thing. Yeah. But all of them always looked like the camera was underwater, right? Like foggy. And did Apple pull it off or do we just not care about FaceTime quality as much? I have to assume it's going to be pretty good. But then that means they would have developed something that we're not used to. Well, every time they showed someone taking a selfie in the keynote, they were using the rear camera. because now you can flip the whole thing out and get the monitor. So I think they might have realized that, like, the selfie camera of the inside is just only going to be a FaceTime thing where you're going to be limited by bandwidth for resolution anyway, maybe?

1:10:04That's my guess. That's crazy that we still haven't talked about the hole punch yet, because this is the first Apple device. The hole punch or the under display? Excuse me, the under display, thank you. It's the first Apple device with that. Yeah. And so it's kind of like a new, effectively a new skew for them. I don't know. I'm really curious. We were talking in the hotel room that just like you don't see that many phones with that. Yeah. It's also like weirdly, it's not at the top. It's down a little bit, which I'm assuming is because when you are talking to the screen, your eye contact will look a little more natural.

1:10:38But that's all again. They felt like they glossed over that pretty quickly. Yeah. Glossed over. Huh. Huh. Huh. Any other final thoughts on either Duo, new CEO? Is it weird that we didn't even see an iPhone 18 base model? I mean, the cheapest thing we saw today in a phone was$1199, right, for base Pro? Honestly, I think for me, it was maybe the AirPod update. I think I was expecting to see some kind of major redesign, and at least maybe in having some type of screen on the case or something like kind of revolutionary and new. But like, I think like it was mostly, you know, sound quality updates or just like normal.

1:11:20Fancy, transparency, Siri. Yeah. I think other than that, nothing that I really, you know, really wanted or kind of expected, but yeah. Yeah, we didn't ask, we forgot to ask Emily, but so nothing that you really wanted. I'm guessing that means you don't plan on picking up the Duo. I think Duo is not for me. I think I right now use a 14 plus. Okay. And I was actually one of the like biggest fans of the plus series. just because I don't use extra cameras in the Pro, but I want a bigger screen. That sounds like Duo. It doesn't have the extra cameras, and it has a bigger screen. We'll see. We'll see.

1:11:53Okay, that sounds like a pretty hard one. Yeah. Okay, cool. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. Thanks, of course. Appreciate it, man.

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1:13:59B-camera just died. We'll see what happens later. But Michael, we just got done with probably one of the bigger Apple events we've seen. New CEO, new device. Initial thoughts on it? Well, I think new CEO, I think he's pretty cool. Okay. I like the transition between the Tim Cook and John. Yeah, the like rack focus kind of. It's not me. It's actually him. Okay. I liked it too. It was pretty sick. I think it was overall pretty great. I liked the vent. A lot of the stuff was pretty cool, especially the folding iPhone. Yes, the folding iPhone. iPhone Duo. Yeah, Duo. First of all, what do you think of the name Duo?

1:14:48Kind of makes sense because I think maybe two screens on one side, like an iPad, but also a fold. So like a book or like a past book. So I think that is something that kind of makes sense. Yeah, for sure. I think as, you know, do you remember the Microsoft Duo? That's why I think it might spoil the name a little bit for us tech nerds. Yeah, like one of the worst devices ever. But I do think the name makes sense, but I cannot in good conscience say I like the name because of Surface Duo. Do you guys think they're reserving iPhone Ultra for, like, some megaphone? Like, what? Or will the iPhone never get an Ultra designation?

1:15:35Maybe. I'm not too sure. They're just saving the name for MacBook Ultra in two months, the rumored touchscreen OLED. Imagine. Yeah. That'd be sick. So, pricing on Duo. Did you think it was going to be higher? Are you... That was about the same. Really? Are we... We're out of touch, man. I think it's because, you know, I heard that the CPU is like about really low. And so, you know, they have to boost it up. Yeah, they have to ladder it into other devices. I could see that. I thought it was 2 ,500 at least. At least. Yeah, same. So I was very surprised by that. I think it's a spec. It's kind of like Air where specs are down a little bit.

1:16:17I'm going to keep saying that. I'm going to be wrong. And that's the worst part about it. It is like two iPhone Airs glued together. It feels like. Yeah. Yeah. What else did we see? Are you interested in buying this? Oh, yes. Because it is still a, we're talking about it, but it is a product. Well, last time you were talking about you wanted a folding iPhone and we got it. I did say that. And I mean, it's cool to have. I think it's something that I probably won't end up getting because I got myself a 17 Pro for an early Christmas. I mean, both the presents. But I think that it's something that you want to have maybe if you want to have as a display, as a tech creator.

1:17:07You know, pretty cool. but Hi David, we're all just gonna say hi David Come on, just 30 seconds Hi David Amell everybody We can put him in the thumbnail now I'm going to briefings, I'll see you later Go, go, go, go That was awesome Sorry, sorry We had to That was cool Look at that stride God, what a guy with a giant backpack. Okay, so yeah, you don't think you're going to get... I do think we're going to talk to a lot of people today who are probably going to be like, I don't know if I'm getting it because I bet so many people already have an iPhone and an iPad. Yes, but I have an old iPad. You have an old iPad?

1:17:53It's not that old. It's decent. It's not the one with the Touch ID. It's the one with the home button. Okay, okay. So I just haven't had... I'm going to laugh when we see you next year and you're like, I bought the Duo. Yeah. Before we let you go, you mentioned that you brought something that you referenced last year when you were with us. Yes. I don't remember this. Get it out. I like that we're already at the point that people are bringing. I got the iPhone 5C. What? Wow, it's tough. Wow, way to screw up our white balance. That's crazy. This thing is so sick. I don't remember the C being so small.

1:18:26It's very small and it's very bright. Is it? So one thing I thought was interesting, and of course I'm going to be the one to say this, So that closed, the Duo has a 5.4 inch diagonal screen, which is the same diagonal as the 12 mini. But I'm trying to compare it to this, and I can't. I'm so not used to bezels. Thank you so much for bringing that. That's awesome. You might have the oldest iPhone. Oh, I got this.

1:18:55It's an iPhone 3GS. 3GS, that's awesome. I'm going to give it back to you because my hands are covered in sunscreen, and I don't want to. I had to slip out of my hands. Dude, thank you so much for joining us again. Hopefully we see you. I don't know if we're going to do this next year, but if we are, hope to see you again. Thank you so much. Cool. Thanks a lot, Michael. All right. We have Simon here. Welcome to the podcast. That's awesome. So you told us that you speak Italian as your main language. On the side, Ellis is going to download some live translation to see if it works. Try to test it live.

1:19:23He does not believe it will work. Okay. But thanks for joining us. Welcome. We had a big event, new CEO, duo. Any initial thoughts on you? Everything new, everything is big. Everything is big, but also small, right? A little of both. What did you think of the duo? The duo is nice. I like it. I like the fun factor. It's more similar to the iPad mini and the passport. I'm really big traveler. I use many times the passport. And every time I have it in my pocket. And this is really cool. It's cool. Yeah. The size is maybe perfect. What do you think of the price? The price? I see the video too much.

1:20:08And really, it's not this too much. I expect maybe$2 ,300. But it starts to$2 ,000. It's not too bad. No, I don't think it's bad. I mean, it's still expensive. But I know. I'm from Italy. I don't know the tax and everything.

1:20:29Yeah, it seems to be like a thousand per screen and we were all thinking there would be more of a premium So it'd be like a thousand a thousand and then an extra like 400. Just remember the era the iPhone X is cost 999 yeah, and everyone freaked out to That's true basically what um do you still live in Italy or are you living in I'm living in Italy But now I make a trip to a round of the world in 96 days. Wow. Yeah, what day is this? This is 37 day 37. Okay, cool. And the best day so far. Yeah, of course That's so sick. Where'd you watch the event? I'm watching here. Oh, I try to hunter But this time no, maybe next year.

1:21:16Yeah Yeah, yeah. Maybe they'll let you in. But come on now, I'm here. That's awesome. You're in the bed. Get him a bed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. New CEO. Cool, not cool, not Tim Cook. Come on. Growing on me. No, you ask me. Oh, you see F1? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I speak nothing more. The CEO is like the car. I like a car. Come on. Apple, new CEO, car. OK, well, hold on. John Ternus is which team in Formula One now if you're gonna compare to a car? Oh, yeah You brought this up this is on you you know today I come here even my backpack The F1 film to Apple the Lego car signature to the new CEO Rich what team do you think what are what call where I'd say this year's Red Bull?

1:22:16Mmm. No? You didn't disagree? Better? Okay. We'll see. Ellis, did you get these working? Okay, we're going to try live translation. Get your Italian ready. I have a feeling he's got it ready. I think he's good. I use my best Italian ever. Perfect. He's going to use the live translation feature on the AirPods. Okay, a little context in case you have never listened to Waveform before. In which case, welcome. This is the Waveform podcast. I, for years, have said that live translation won't exist and never will exist. And now it allegedly exists. And I'm going to use it for the very first time and probably eat my words.

1:23:07So I've never done this before, but I have the translation app open. and I have Italian installed, and I'm going to hit start translation. Would you like to speak Italian to me? Okay. You just speak to me. I speak to you. I think so. Come stai?

1:23:29Oh, no, you do need to speak to my phone. Oh, okay. Come stai? Ti è piaciuto l 'evento di oggi? How am I? I'm good. Did you say anything else? Are you supposed to say it back in Italian or does the phone say it back in Italian? I don't know. All it said to me was, how are you? Oh. L 'evento di oggi, ti è piaciuto?

1:23:54I did enjoy today's event. I thought it was a little bit weird and slightly boring, but, you know, it's fine, I guess. Is that giving it back to you? Yeah. Oh, yeah! Wait, so this works? Sort of. This is the most... the pausing is... I knew it. I knew this didn't work. I'm not... 30 % is good, but the 70 is good. Give me something really fast, really difficult, like let's push it.

1:24:37Tempy.

1:24:42Riveting audio experience. Okay. Okay. No, no, I got that. Those were interesting questions. 99 % is okay. Yeah. And one is no. Okay. All right. Super nice. What did he say? He said, these gentlemen are asking me some pretty interesting questions about Formula One. Oh. Right? It's perfect. Okay. I still hate it, but, you know, I guess it works. It's a good way to carry on a conversation, but in a situation where it needs to be, yeah. Thank you very much for testing this feature with us live. Was there any other questions? I think, any other thoughts on the event? Final thoughts? You don't have to have any.

1:25:22Yeah. Next time. Wait, are you going to get a duo? Duo? Are you going to buy one? No. No. Okay. I like a passport, but I'm more camera guy. I was convinced you were going to say yes because you were glowing about it a minute ago. Siri's just repeating everything you guys are saying in English. Our goal now is to find one person who will buy the duo on the podcast. Yeah, that's the goal. I speak to every guy. No, no. It's cool. It's insane, but no. It's the Benny robot of phones. Yeah, it's like, that's really sick. don't know what i'd use it for and i'm not buying it but yeah nice yeah i can't hear it okay i don't think that's working all right simon thank you so much it was great to meet you thank you for joining us enjoy the rest of your trip thank you yeah i'm supposed to speak one things peace all right thank you so much for watching this is another waveform man on the street um awesome guests again a bunch of repeat yeah a bunch of repeats is awesome We cannot confirm whether we'll be doing this next year, but if we do do it again next year, it'll be, I don't know.

1:26:37Hopefully cooler. Hopefully cooler. Waveform's produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Rovin, we're partnering with Vox Media Podcast Network, and our dropshed music is created by Vain Sil. And Rich Ho. And Rich Ho. Say hi to the camera, Rich. He's a little shy.

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