Bre Tiesi EXCLUSIVE: “I Was OUTED” The TRUTH Behind Selling Sunset & Relationship With Nick Cannon!

26:22Yes. So it sounds like it was a great relationship. So how did that end? I outgrew him I literally woke up one morning and made him breakfast and we sat down and I literally looked at him and I was like I don't love you anymore and I have to do more with my life and like you don't want to do that and he wasn't very you know he was dealing with a lot of demons from the tragedy that he went through and I was like I need to fly like you're either jumping or you're not. And he just wasn't. And so I made that choice and he's never talked to me ever again. I've never spoken to him ever again. That day was the last day you talked to him.

27:06Yeah. I never saw him again. I saw him one time when I was working in the clubs and he literally saw me from across the room, turned around and ran the other way. I was like, and he hates me. Okay. Yeah. Telling someone, look, I no longer love you and I need to go on for me. Some people could receive that and think, oh my gosh, how cold-blooded, how... But then others will say, no, no, that's someone respecting their boundaries. That's someone who knows their self-worth. So when you now reflect back and you look at that, would you have handled that any differently? No. And in that moment, I say it a little bit more dry than it was.

27:41We were both crying. It was a whole thing. I'm saying, but he was really understanding. He was very like, okay, you don't love me anymore? Well, shit. Okay. And then we just had to figure it out. But I think at the end of the day, he respected the fact that, like, I didn't cheat on him. I didn't lie. I didn't get weird. I didn't make it toxic. Like, I was just very, like, this high field. You were truthful. Yeah. And I was like, I don't want to hurt you because you're, like, the sweetest human. Yeah. Like, I literally have never met a man so sweet in my life. Like, his dad and everything, like, they raised him great.

28:14Like, he's so sweet. So I was like, I'm not going to, like, hurt you and be mean to you. Like, that's not what my motive is at all. It's just more of like I tried and it didn't work. You don't want to do it. So I need to use that energy for me. Wow. So you use that energy for you? Oh, yeah. I went straight to the club. Oh, did you? Are you serious? I swear I got a job at the club the day I turned 21. Yeah. Yeah. I heard the money was there. So that's the first place I went. Okay. So at the club, what were you doing? Bottle service. Bottle service. Yeah. I guess it's the tips with bottle service, isn't it?

28:46That's all that matters. We don't even look at our normal pay. That's taxes. Yeah. The tips are crazy. So bottle service in the club. Yeah. But different from the modeling you were doing. Yeah, I was still modeling. But my thing was I wanted to buy a house. I wanted to live large. I was like, I got to make it quicker. So I would do all the modeling stuff, but I would also work at the club. And then I would take any other gig that I could possibly get. So I just worked 24-7. All right. Yeah. Now, what were you doing with your money? Saving it. Saving? Yeah, besides traveling, I was saving it. Okay.

29:18Yeah. And this is where men started buying stuff. And I was like, perfect. You buy it. You pay for it. Oh, really? I was like, great. Now I really won't spend any money. All right. So men start, because I would imagine, you know, your bottle service in the club. Yeah. A lot of guys are trying to talk to you. Yes. And then that's when they start trying to buy your love. Yeah. And I was like, you can't buy it, but you can. You can give me the money, but you can't technically buy it. But yeah, sure. What were some of the most lavish gifts? Oh, I've had crazy. I got a Maserati. No. Yes. I got a trip to Bora Bora with all my girlfriends, like staying at the Four Seasons with like a whole thing.

29:57Like I've bags, flowers all the way up my apartment, up to the sixth floor, like crazy stuff. Did you keep the Maserati? For a minute. For a minute. So then I was like, you know what? You got to take this back. I don't like you. You drove it for a week. I was like, I'll drive it for a minute, but then I'm going to give it back. Yeah. Wow. Okay. Yeah. All right. I've been engaged a couple times, you know, all that. Yeah. Yeah. So throughout that, did vision for life change at all? Oh, yeah. Oh, I found money. I was like, whoa, this is like, people really live like this? Like, you know, I grew up like where, you know, we did have a lot of celebrities, kids and stuff like that growing up.

30:39And like, you know, we took a jet here and there and like whatever. But this was totally different. And I was like, oh, no, I need this. So now I'm taking another step and I'm like, okay, how do I get here? And so the clubs. So the clubs. Yeah. So now money, when you were 18, though, represented freedom to you. So at this point, what is like that excess money represent to you? I mean, it's still a level of freedom, but it was like now I realized what nice things were and like what it costs to stay at this place versus this place. You know, that we're talking about like a normal hotel to the Four Seasons.

31:18You know, it's like I was like, oh, OK, well, this is fifteen hundred dollars a night and this is two hundred dollars a night. So it just started all like, OK, I learned what a Birkin was. I had no idea. I started being like, what is a Louboutin? I don't know. Like I had no idea. And so it was it was a whole new world. Well, and you liked it. Loved it. You love it. Still love it. I'm never leaving. so no it was like luxury is addicting like once you fly first class or private you don't want to go back to coach you don't want to like that was the drive was like i'm not going back like i'm doing this i'm not going back and so i just kept going and i would find random hustles whatever i could do and that's just what i did and then lived how i wanted one thing that i think is important to even like stop and just say, okay, is that I think that the impression from a lot of people is that you are not this hustler, hard worker, right?

32:17And so at 21, you are out here earning money. Grinding. And so what are some of those entrepreneurial hustles? I would say there were so many things, even in the modeling world, like it wasn't just like, so you could do commercial, You could go and do like all the clothing for a website. I would do things like where I used to work for like Miller Lite and all the beer companies and they would send you to these bars and you would get people to drink. Like I really got into like the sales side and I'd be like, fine. I'd be like, we're taking shots. Like I would just like I would make that happen.

32:52And they'd be like, if you can get them to buy X, Y and Z, we'll give you this. And I'm like, done. And I would just figure it out. And from there, people saw that. Like I was like, just tell me what to do. and so I would just end up in the most random situations like poker games like booking girls like I could I could do anything at that point and they were like you know everybody everybody likes you like they would plug me into all kinds of rent like stuff I had no business doing okay yeah but you were doing it and you started to to realize that what was your skill people which is weird because now I don't like people, but, but my skill was, I just, I read people really well and I chameleon really well if I choose to.

33:35So I'm very good at observing people and understanding what makes you tick. And like, so for sales, for instance, bottle service. So would you say that those skills you were, you were developing many skills, right? So body language skills, Absolutely. Communication. Yeah. Understanding psychology. Yeah. Male psychology in particular. Yeah. And so if you were to almost unpack that as a masterclass, what would you say the top lessons that you had learned at that moment? Because you're doing something extraordinary. I think I just wasn't impressed. And they could tell that I genuinely did not care.

34:12Like, I was just like, that's cute. What are men buying alcohol for? Mm. Yeah. The women. The women. Yeah. So it's not hard to figure out if you really sit down and think about it. Like, you're like, when does one equals two? You're like, this is so basic. It's so basic. But people just don't think like that for some reason. How much did you get? How much was the tip in Vegas? Well, this was in Vegas, a million dollars. Yeah, I swear to God. There was this guy. I swear to you. You can look him up. Everyone talks about him. Joe, we called him the whale. He parachuted into Wet Republic. He would literally set it on fire.

34:48They would let him do whatever he wanted to do. And he spends a million dollars every time he came to Las Vegas. Every single time. He's now in jail. But every single time he came and did it. And we would all be like, and I was his server every single time. Your tip was a million dollars. Keep in mind, this is the whole crew in Vegas. And, you know, they cap us at a certain amount. So there was that. The casino made majority of that. But, yeah. Same. Same guy. You did the same strategy. Always. Like people were bum rushing his table and doing services and I wanted nothing to do with it. Because I also knew he was going to be rowdy and I don't get down like that.

35:30So I'm not into the whole like, oh my God, hi. Like, I don't, no thank you. No. And so I let the girls go over and do their thing. And he was like, well, why isn't she waiting on my table? And I was like literally standing at the bar talking to the bartender. And it's just men. Men, they want what they can't have. I'm not interested in you. Oh, my God. Yeah. And it's like I wasn't even trying. I genuinely was like, my feet hurt. It's hot. I'm going to have a Red Bull and stand in the well. And somehow I got sucked into being a waitress. Okay. Get a million-dollar tip. Yeah. Get 150. You're breaking records for tips.

36:05Yeah. I would think I would just continue doing this as a career. Yeah. No? No. Everything was a shelf life. I learned really young for my mom to use my looks, right? So that was kind of the main thing was like you can get so far using your looks. It's what you do with that, obviously. So I said I can only use my looks until I'm like maybe 30. Like at that point, I got to figure it out. So I worked in the clubs until I was probably 26, 25, somewhere around there. Okay. And then I was just tired of it. It was just too hot, drunk people. It was just – it was a lot, like very draining. And like given I work six months out of the year, two days a week, like it's really easy to get addicted and not ever want to leave.

36:50It's the easiest money you've ever made. But I was just like, yeah, I'm bored. I'm over this. Like I've made my contacts like it's ran its course. I need to like do something else. And so I took all of my clients and everything I learned from that, got my real estate license and just like moved back to L.A. And I was like, I don't know what I'm going to do, but I'm going to figure it out. and I was getting married at that time. And so I just made like a really, I make big shifts. I'm kind of like, okay, done, next. Yeah. All right. You said that you learned from your mother how to use your looks.

37:28We can spend a moment on that. She's going to kill me when she sees this. She's going to be a hit on me after this. I'm sorry, mom. I had to go back to this. Because, I mean, that's a big statement, right? Right. So how did you learn from your mother to use your looks? Well, I mean, watching her for one, you know, but it's also I think that especially during my generation, which I feel like was the last generation to really think like this, was that you're taught that we're supposed to make men happy. Like you're supposed to grow up to be a wife, like you're supposed to learn to cook and clean and wait on him and this and that.

38:03and then being Italian and all of that like there's a lot in there that was like you're supposed to do these things you're not supposed to work you're supposed to do this and I was like sounds awful like I don't want to do this my mom like would torment me as a kid like embarrassed the shit out of me like she would like run around naked and like you know I had like a lot of instances that were just like when my girlfriends were over and just like uncomfortable or like birthday parties and after that I was very like I don't want to be sexy I don't want to see like I didn't like any of the behavior like the way that like men would approach her when we would like be with her which is like so inappropriate like things like that that I was just like men are disgusting like I hate men they're so gross like and from there I kind of to be like okay but then I would watch her whole body language shift and the way that she would talk and the way that she would all of a sudden be like this and like that and like all of the and i'm like what the fuck is wrong with her like what is happening and at that age you don't understand that she's flirting like you're like what is that and the next thing we know i got a new present we're going somewhere it's this it's that and you started being like oh okay this is how this is how she's getting it and i was like all right this is interesting and then as i got older obviously i put it together but for a minute I was like I don't understand what you're doing you look crazy but you know so that flirting yeah you realize that if you were flirt you could get something in return there was a return essentially oh yeah you you were doing full analysis like not just on your mother but it seems like everyone everything what was your view of yourself like in terms of body image and how you looked I've always been super cocky and confident I've just I've always been like that.

39:49I don't know why. I just, and even still, I had a nose job and I've done work and people are like, Oh, you're insecure. I'm like, no, no, no. I just know that I can go from a 10 to a 20. Like I'm going to, why not? I can. Um, but at that time I, you know, I was, my mom was very into our looks. So I think growing up, she's just always kind of like, we were always super athletic. Like I had a full six pack as like a six year old, like working out, like it was crazy. and like you know we had like long beautiful hair and she would just like do the most to keep us like beautiful kids and you know I think growing up like that and especially getting into the industry where you're I was doing stuff with Disney and I was doing commercials and like everyone's like you're pretty and you're like oh I'm pretty you know it's like what we try to tell parents now to tell your kids like you set the tone you tell them don't let the world tell them what they are You know, mine was the opposite.

40:40I grew up with with other people telling me and like I never thought twice about it. So you let me lean into it. Yeah. I can always find the opportunity. Yeah. I mean, it feels like at certain points it was about survival for you. But then as you develop these skills, you became confident. Absolutely. In your ability to read, communicate, flirt. You're confident in yourself. And then you just continued to use that to climb, in essence. Now, you mentioned that you got married. Yeah. But before we get into that. God bless. Okay. I am thinking, you at 26, you don't want to be married. Marriage is not on your radar.

41:23No. You know, I had gone back and forth with Nick for a minute. and I was like, I had a really, really close girlfriend of mine and she was literally like, you deserve better. Like, I want better for you. Like, I want you, like, why don't you date? She's like, you deserve the white picket fence. You know, she felt like I deserved to have those things even though I didn't know if I wanted them. Okay. And she was like, just try. Like, give it a go, you know? And like, when I met my ex-husband, he was like, we were really good friends before we dated. So, which we should have stayed that way. But it was like we were so close and we were like a little tripod.

41:59Like everyone would make fun of us because you would never see me without seeing one of them. Really? But especially her. We lived together. We worked together. Like we went out together. Like holidays we're spending together. Like always. So this was just her kind of giving me that extra push to be like, he fucking proposed to you, bitch. Like give him a shot. And I was like, I don't think this is a good idea. So you knew. I knew it wasn't a good idea. It wasn't a good idea. No, I knew it wasn't. And it was just I wanted to see the best in him. And I know to this day, Johnny is very capable of being his best if he chooses to be.

42:36But even at the beginning of that proposal, right? Yeah. Were you against the institution of marriage or just being married with Johnny? Both. Both, but definitely being married with Johnny. No, it was the institution. I had never seen that work. I don't know anyone that that's worked. And I just was like, why do I have to do this? Like, why, again, why am I being forced to do something? Like, I have a big problem with being told what to do. I see. It does not work for me, especially at the, I'm getting better. But at that age, I was like, hell no. Yeah. So it was a lot for me to, like, make such a commitment.

43:15And I was like, well, what if I don't like you in a year? Like, what if, like, I have a baby with you and I'm stuck with you? Like, I started thinking about all these things and I'm like, oh, God, this is awful. And he showed himself real quick, so that was fine. I think that especially for everyone watching in the UK, right, you might not know Johnny Manziel, right? But in the States, especially someone who loved American football, he was actually Johnny Football. Johnny Football. He was one of the biggest names in football. So if we could just speak about that context, because that shapes. Yeah, he's the, you know, he set a record for being the youngest Heisman winner ever.

43:56Like, they normally wouldn't even allow you to be eligible for that. And, like, he is a mind-blowing football player. He really is an amazing athlete. Like, he was also picked up to play professional golf and baseball. Like, Padres. I don't know a sport. I think it was Padres. He was picked up for that. Like, he is a phenomenal athlete. Like, it is insane. So all of that to go to waste is very sad. Many people might not know his story. Oh, yeah, sorry. But so when you met him, though, he was in the NFL? No, he was already out. He was already out? He was already out. Oh, okay. That's why I think it's so funny when they're like, she left him when he didn't get back.

44:35I'm like, I picked him up off the floor, actually, but that's okay. See, I did not know this. So if you can just explain what happened. So basically he was at the height of his career. He was killing it. um Johnny struggles from a lot of mental illness I mean he's kind of talked about it but like there's a lot um that he doesn't necessarily have control over I feel like and you know when we got together the partying and all of this stuff and like the self-medicating I thought was just like a kid that got money and just got the new life and I see that all the time especially working in the clubs like you see people being like oh shit and they lose themselves right I'm like okay maybe he's just having a moment.

45:16He's a kid, new money, whatever. And so at this time, he had just gotten dropped from Cleveland Browns. And then he had a altercation with his girlfriend at the time, which was one of the leading causes to him leaving or being cut. I don't really know what happened, only they know what happened, but it was not, did not go well for him. And basically he just got worse after he was cut and he never went back essentially um is this one because i've always heard that he went on this five million dollar bender he did how do you i mean i'm just here's the honest truth and he's talked about it so i feel okay to say it but like you know his plan was to spend all of his money and kill himself and that's when i met him and so and i was like what are you i literally would take money from him and like shove him in a room and i put it in the safe and I'm like everybody get the fuck out like I was that person and so it was like that was why we were friends because I was like listen I know what my job is and to spend money but like this this is just gross like you're just taking advantage of somebody that is literally like at their absolute lowest and you all are just along for the ride like what was what do you see in him though because it's because I think many people think you you were there at the height of the NFL.

46:44Yeah. Let us know they know he lived on my couch with me and my roommate in my house, but that's fine. But this is, I mean, this is all. I just don't like to trash him. Like, I don't like to, I haven't talked a lot about him or our story because I don't want to make him feel any type of way. You know, like, we're so cool. So from a positive, like, what was it that you saw in him that gave you hope? Johnny has a good side to him. He does. He was raised with a fucking amazing, beautiful family. Like, he has a good heart. If he would have stayed on the meds, he would be thriving, but he doesn't want to.

47:15And a lot of people like have a hard time accepting like I have to take this to be OK or I have to take this to be whatever. And I think that a lot of it was like he felt like it was taking away his personality and his like all of these things, which I find to be excuses. But I do hear a lot of people say that there is a great side to him. There really is. It's just you have to dig a lot to find it. And, you know, I think that what really brought us close was he was in a really bad place. And it just over time, we just became really close. And somehow ended up dating. And then you started dating him and then he proposes.

47:53He proposed to me in like two months. And so at that point, you feel as if he's not the right one. You're not even down with the institution of marriage. Yeah. But yet someone who has been so defiant and willing to say no. I know. Yeah. Why did you say yes? I was like, maybe I'm stopping myself from being happy or maybe I'm like telling myself this because it didn't work from what I know. But maybe like, I don't know. Like she was just in my ear being like, you deserve this. Like try. What does it matter? Like if it doesn't work, get divorced. Like, you know, she's like, fuck it. And I was like, whatever.

48:32I don't care. like what difference does it make it's a piece of paper and like it made a world of difference but you know it's like i didn't have a wedding i didn't do any of that like that's how much i was like and i love to throw a party yeah and so i was like no he's like we can go to the courthouse i'm like okay so you went to the courthouse yeah got married yeah and how was marriage awful hated it hated every part of it from day one oh my god yeah no i just feel like everything changed with him too. I think it was that security of like, oh, she's stuck there. She can't go anywhere now. Like it felt like that.

49:06And it felt like all of a sudden it was this expectation of like what I was supposed to do. And I'm like, what are you, I'm going to work. You don't even have a job. What do you mean? You clean the house. You do the dishes. I'm paying the rent. Like you're living in my house, driving my car. Like I was like, no, we're not doing that. Like, so all of that stuff kind of made it me even more resentful because I was like hold on a second and then this is when he was really struggling with his addiction at the time so he would go missing and I'd have to track him down and I'd drag him out of places and I'd end up in the hospital and it was just like I'm done with this shit like I was like I can't do it anymore so um that's why everyone was like oh she left him after a year because he didn't get back and I'm like no I used to take him literally myself to practice and took him to Canada.

49:54And like, we had meetings with teams that were like, if you could do one year here, sober, good, we will bring you back. Like you can come back to the league. And he just could not. He couldn't do it. Yeah. Because I think, uh, what folks in the UK need to know is that when a lot of people, uh, professional athletes leave the NFL, they, they go to the Canadian football. Yes. Yes. Yeah. To try to play. Yeah. And then hopefully you can get to the NFL. Yeah. So that was the plan is he was trying to go to the CFL. Apparently that was my plan. It wasn't his plan. But yeah, because he was not following the plan.

50:27Wow. But yeah. Okay. Yeah. At what point did you realize you had to leave? Oh, real quick. It was like probably six months in because we were only married for a year. And we were, I was going back and forth because I was still working in LA. And he was going missing, not answering his phone. This is when I was like I had the location on his phone like I was like wait and not because I'm I mean I'm crazy but not that type of crazy like I was like genuinely worried that I would come home one day and he would be dead like and I'd be like where are you like I don't give a fuck where you're going but like I need to know that like you're good and I couldn't get a hold of him and it would be and I was like this is too much.

51:07It's like having a child that I didn't birth. Like I'm not, this isn't fun. I don't want to date you. I definitely don't want to sleep with you acting like your mother. So it just became very like, I was like, you know what? I signed up for this. I have to deal with it. Let me just manage him, figure it out. And then it got to a point where he was like blatantly disrespecting me and out with women and doing the most and pictures. And then I was like, oh yeah, fuck you. I was like, I am out. And literally I was like, that's it. Your shit's outside. I will never speak to you again. And I didn't talk to him for probably two years.

51:41And then, and he tried over, I'm so sorry, you know, whatever. And we eventually like made amends and we're cool now. And he literally came on the show with me, like, we're fine now. But it was just a big lesson for me, another reassurance of why I only put energy into myself, and that you can only do so much for other people. And so I was like, I can lead you to water, but if you don't drink, I'm not going to drown you. You can do it yourself. So it just kind of was what it was at that point. When that relationship ended, divorce, because it seems like you filed. Yes. How long did it take? A whole other year and a half.

52:20Yeah. And he wouldn't sign. And to think that I have to wait another six months, they're like, oh, if you can't find him after six months, then we'll just give it to you. And I'm like, why don't you just give it to me now? Like, I can't buy a house. I can't get a car. I can't do anything. I can't get a business loan. I have to have this man sign off and get half of my stuff. This is crazy. Oh, well, for him to get half of it. Yes. They wanted me to pay spousal support. I said, and this is the best part that cracks me up. I hired this attorney who was the worst attorney ever. And he checked off on the box that I was asking for spousal support.

52:57And then it went viral. She's like, look at him coming. I said, first of all, what money but also how dare you and then i lose it on my attorney and he like came out and said that was my mistake i'm sorry and they're like oh of course her attorney comes out and says that and i'm like what are the odds that you just did that to me when he's coming well he didn't but he could have come after me essentially as the breadwinner while we were married so i was like this is insane that's that's that is a wild story it's hilarious and where i'm completely with you is on you should have been able to get a divorce.

53:30This needs to change. I mean, there's no fault divorce, but even no fault divorce can still take six months or more. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, it is. It is. And it cost me money, a lot of money. And I'm like, I shouldn't have to pay money to leave you. I should just be able to be like, I'm done. Sign off and just move on with your life. Because the other thing is these divorces cause so much trauma and stress to people. There's women that like are having, they're losing their whole life and they don't even know where to start. And then they're dealing with a divorce. They're dealing with all of this, like for what?

54:03Was this also the first time that you were dealing with the publicity and emerging as a public figure? Yeah, probably. I think that there was a lot more heat on it, especially because everybody was a Johnny fan. So it was like a fuck Bree thing. And I was like, I don't even, like what did i do like now i'm the bad guy because i didn't stick around to to do it to do it like you know what's so interesting about this is is because you know i'm a massive football fan i should say american yeah i was gonna say american or soccer both it's not soccer oh my god i get so confused i'm like this football or this football but i now distinctly remember this it's actually hitting me right now okay and i do believe you were the perception is you were the villain yeah of course I'm always the villain yeah that's my story yeah but but was did you did you feel like you were now oh I was super upset about it especially because I had done so much for him and I had like genuinely cared about him so much and I was like I made my entire life about you and like helping you get better and giving you another chance and like doing so many things that were against what I told myself I would never do again and then to have the entire world to tell me that I'm the asshole.

55:22I was like, and on top of that, I never really spoke about why we got a divorce. I still really haven't. And so I just let people think whatever they want to think and I don't really care. So I'm like, okay, cool. I'm the bad guy. All right. He knows. And that's why he will never say a bad thing about me. So is that something that you're comfortable in, in just giving the category, maybe not the details? Oh no, it was cheating. I mean, it eventually came out that he was cheating, but he was just blatantly disrespecting me. And I was like, you're sure as fuck not going to live in my house on my dime when I've given up everything to help you and then disrespect me and have these girls message me crazy and all of this.

55:57I was like, absolutely not. This is a disrespect thing after how much I've given to you as a person. So, no, it's unacceptable. And that was it. So you were gone? Out. What's really intriguing me about this is that you knew your self-worth then. You knew it in that first relationship with Nick Hogan. Where do you think they came from? I don't know. I swear I've just always been like this. I don't know. I did see my grandma leave my grandpa. And I used to always be like, why did you leave with nothing? You should have taken him for everything. And I think just hearing her be like, I had to. And I was like, ew, you don't have to.

56:37But she was like, not in my time. You had to. You had to stay. So I think that was probably more where I was like, I'm going to stay true to me for you and for women that need to do that. Because we don't have to be here, especially now. Now we fought for our right to work, right? So now I'm working. Like you can't stay because I have to for you to supply food and shelter and all those. It's not those times. Like now I can choose what I want to do. Yes. And you chose. Oh, I sure did. I hope you won't mind that we're taking a quick break from this conversation to talk about my show sponsor, Shopify.

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59:38Yes. You knew you had these skills around people skills and communication skills. It feels like, especially luxury real estate, is the perfect fit. Absolutely. So you just kind of fell into it. Yeah. All right. Basically. And because when I worked in the clubs, clients would come in from Europe, they'd come in from wherever, and they'd be like, oh, we need a house in LA. Like I would meet them in Vegas, but they'd be going to LA and I'd be like, okay, I got somebody there. And over time I was like, why am I sending people and not making money on this? And I was like, how do I make money on this?

1:00:09So then I was like, okay, I can get my license and then I can do, if it's a, you know,$50 ,000 a month house, you're still getting commission on that. So, you know, three months, whatever they signed for, you're still getting a couple thousand dollars at bare minimum. So I was like, no, this has to go back into my pocket. And then that's kind of how I started it. But then when I wanted to make the shift, I was like, okay, I need much bigger money than leases. This is the story of your life. I need more. I need more, always. And which is kind of a bad thing. But I'm like, I can do it. So I'm going to do it.

1:00:42Because there's a lot of people that can't do it and don't have the opportunity. So I'm going to take every single one of them. But can we speak about this? because in this research, I was doing a ton of research, and I saw that roughly 63 % of real estate agents are women. However, in terms of real estate executives, especially in the luxury space, very, very small percentage are represented in terms of women. I mean, there's a million reasons as to why that is. But why do you believe that is that way today? I believe it's a boy's world. Men have more opportunity. They have more immediate respect.

1:01:18They are the ones that the women are not going to be threatened by. We always get that like, oh, well, she's just a girl. Like people downplay it and they don't give you the credit that you deserve, especially if you're attractive. And it's just like this boys club that is like impenetrable. And that was my main focus. I was like, how do I get in here? I was like, let me find my place. So when everyone was like, oh, she's a hoe or she's this, like I was with the boys because I was a part of the boys. I wasn't like, you know, the girl, the whole friend that they brought with them. Like, I really made a name for myself.

1:01:52And I was respected by the men to be able to play with the big boys. And they were all trying to bully me. There's very, very big agents in LA, like, top of the top that most people would be like, I don't want to piss them off. Let me just say yes and give her a piece. I was like, fuck no. Wow. And this is your first deal. Yeah. I did not care. I said, no, you're not. This was half a million dollars. In commission? In commission. You will have to kill me for this. Can you say, what was the listing? It was$17.5. $17.5 million was the cost of the home. Yes. Half a million in commission. Yes. I said, you're going to pry it out of my dead hands because you're not getting it.

1:02:28I'm never giving it to you. I've worked my ass off for this. This is my client. This is my friend. He trusts me. Absolutely not. And they bullied me to the last day of escrow. They were like, we'll get her to fold. Good luck. So 2021, first real estate deal, half a million, right, in commission. You do very well on commissions and tips. Yeah. This is for sure. Same thing. This is for sure. Definitely. So this is 2021. But now 2022, you welcome. Legendary. Legendary. Yeah. All right. So now I want to talk a lot about motherhood because this is clearly what shaped you. Yes. But we have to talk about your relationship with your son's father.

1:03:10Okay. Because this seems to be the top. I'm like, wait, let me readjust. Get ready. Get comfortable. I'm like, okay, where do we start? Get comfortable. Because this seems to be a topic that millions upon millions upon millions of people are curious about. I know. And I would love to set the record straight in so many areas because I'll see people comment. Oh, yeah. The comments are really fun. And I'll see people post a video, this, this, this. And what's interesting, too, is a lot of it is towards you. Yeah. And what you're doing wrong. Yeah, of course. And how you're steering your child wrong.

1:03:49Yeah. But before we get into the motherhood piece, let's just talk about you and Nick. Okay. Okay. When did, and this is a different Nick. This is a Nick Cannon instead of Nick Hogan. Yeah. When did you meet Nick Cannon? So I met him, like, right when I started working in the clubs. You met him. There was a friendship. No, we were immediately, like, went on our first date, like, that day. Okay. Yeah, he was like, do you want to go to dinner? I was like, you want to go to dinner with me? He's like, yeah. I'm like, okay, I guess. And I didn't really know anything about him, like, at this point. Because keep in mind, I didn't have much of a childhood.

1:04:26I didn't watch a lot of TV. I didn't really know a lot of things or people. And I had this amazing friend. His name is Devo. and I tell him all the time he's the reason my son is here and I love him to death and he was like I have somebody you gotta meet you gotta meet him and we called him the celebrity babysitter at the time and he was like in the clubs and he worked for um the SBE group at the time and he was like you gotta meet him you're gonna love him you gotta do this show and I was like I don't know about this I don't know about this show like because they were all comedic but they were especially at that time they were a lot more raw and a lot more foreign I was like I don't think I want to do this show.

1:05:04I don't need them coming for me. But anyways, we went to the show that night. I met Nick. We literally went to dinner that night. And then. That was it? That was it. That was it. So what was it? Because I think, what was it about Nick? Because I think a lot of people say, oh my God, like this guy, Nick Cannon, he's had some incredible partners, should we say. Right? So then people will, I see people joking. Like, well, what is it about Nick Cannon? You said there, what is it about him? Nick is the most like compassionate like sweet kind like he's so good at communicating and like you know I get frustrated when he came out and said like he's like I'm a narcissist I'm like okay relax like you're a little full of your shit but you're not really like the true traits of a narcissist but some will argue different so I'll stay out of that but I feel like he wants to make you happy.

1:05:58He taught me that I don't need to be toxic. I don't need to yell at you. I don't need to pick a fight with you. I don't need to like balls to the wall. Like, and he doesn't respond well to that at all. So I learned to be like, okay, you did X, Y, and Z. I don't like it. What are we going to do about this? And he knows that my tact is not there. So he's helped me over the years, try to like figure out how to communicate. But it was very like, it's a very different relationship. Like even to this day, like, yeah, we get into it here and there about stuff or like parenting stuff or whatever, but it's never, I've never fought with this man.

1:06:34Interesting. Like I've had one big fight with him ever. Um, and that's it. And like, it, it's just so healthy and normal. And people think that it's not because of the surrounding factors, but I don't involve myself in surrounding factors. I involve myself in my own life and the kids are welcome into my life and our life and that's that's where I draw the line so when people say surrounding factors I think they're thinking about the non-monogamy oh yeah right so at the beginning of the relationship too does this is this a topic of conversation or not I mean Nick's always been a playboy everybody knows that like he's always been that way and I think that was kind of why before I got with Johnny and when we stopped talking and all of that was because I wasn't sure that I didn't want to give the white picket fence a try.

1:07:23You know, I wasn't really sure what the hell I wanted. I was like, who am I? What am I doing? I reinvented myself a thousand times. Like, let me, let me figure it out. So I did take a step back from Nick and I did get with Johnny and I was like, oh, this is not what I want. So then I kind of ended up naturally coming around Nick full circle again. It wasn't like a, hey, I'm single, you know? So I was like, you know what? out of everyone I've ever been with, this is the most me that I get to be. Interesting. And that's what I loved about him the most is he allows you room to be you. And he says it all the time.

1:07:55I'm going to always trust you're going to be you. And if he does disrespectful shit, it's just him being playboy Nick. Like he's not even like, he's not intentionally going out of his way to be nasty or, you know, any of those things that a lot of men do in relationships. Like I have never seen that with him ever. That's fair. Now, it's interesting because you're saying he's Playboy Nick, right? I always call him that, yeah. And you said you knew this when, I mean, even after your divorce, you came back, you knew this, right? So does that mean, do you ever, because I'm just, this is me genuinely curious about non-monogamy.

1:08:34Okay. is because I'm in a monogamous marriage. And I think, okay, in order for non-monogamy to work, there needs to be a high level of communication. Yes. A high level. So do you communicate, did you communicate early on? Like, okay, here's what our relationship is going to look like. Yes and no. It's more of like, you know, I'm not going to ever be able to give you the white picket fence, but this is what I'm willing to do. This is what's going to make you happy. Like I can always communicate with him and tell him I want more time. I want this. I want to go here. I want to do this. Like, and he's like, okay, it's literally that simple.

1:09:13So I, I don't think that we necessarily set any sort of like structure per se around how we were going to move, but I would like to think in our entire relationship, we've really been very thoughtful of each other and how we move and what we do and really try not to cause any issues. But, I mean, again, relationships have ups and downs. And when there's other people involved, it just... Yeah. And so there are other people involved. Yeah. So are you then aware of other partners before the other partner? Yeah. Yeah, for the most part. I mean, I'm not very... I'm not like checking your following and seeing where you're going and asking who this girl is and all of that stuff.

1:09:56I'm kind of like a, oh, I see this. Is this a situation? Like, what are we doing here? and that's if I even choose to bring it up honestly um but he's he's been decent about like you know obviously I know the kids are coming I know all those things but I really try to just mind my own because it's not it's not something that truly bothers me so why am I spending my energy and my time talking about it and asking you questions about it and making this whole thing up if I don't really care I don't really see the point I'm not threatened because I know what my relationship is. And I know that no matter what, you will never have with anyone else what you have with me.

1:10:34So I'm just not like, oh, is she prettier than me? Like, like, what am I going to ask you? I just don't, as long as you're honest with me and whatever, if I don't know, I have, we haven't really like crossed anything that we'd have to like. Is there any, truthfully, is there any level of jealousy? I think I've gotten jealous about like maybe, I'm trying to think, maybe like holidays. Holidays are hard, right? I'd be like, okay, well, if you're going to do this, can you take Leggie? You know, and it's not for me. I'm not jealous. Say they go on a trip and I'm like, well, that would have been nice because you would have just brought Leggie with you guys.

1:11:15Like, you know, I'm looking more out for him per se. And I just really, because I care and I want him to have the relationship with his siblings. And I know at some point Nick will be able to take the kids and do what he wants to do with just the kids and make it more of like a family unit. They're just young right now, so they don't really interact as much. But I think that's the only thing that I'm like, I just want to make sure that I'm keeping the door open and that everyone involved is happy and so our kids can have a relationship. Because you don't have to like me. We don't have to have a relationship.

1:11:47I don't need to at all. but I want you to know that I genuinely love and accept your kids and they're welcome in my home and like I do gift baskets for every season and I'm like presents and birthdays and I'm like I this is from legendary like this isn't from me so I just want to make it to where there is never an issue between the kids first and foremost you know and that point that you just made is a question that I see comes up all the time right everyone is like okay are all of the are all the ladies or all the women, are they all cordial? Do they all get along? I think we need to. And I was thinking, so there's five.

1:12:25So Nick has, what, children with five women, right? Five different women. So is there a conversation? I've been cool with majority of the women. I mean, obviously there's emotions involved and I can't help how other people feel. But if I'm invited, if you are okay with me being around, I will happily bring Legendary. I will come and say hi. I will drop a gift. I will leave him and I will come back. Like I'm not, I don't need to like stay and ruin your time. Like you guys all be together. But I want to make it as easy and as pleasant as possible so that you don't feel uncomfortable with your child around me or around my home with my kid.

1:13:02You know, so that's my main thing where I'm like, I don't want it to either be where other people have more children. He feels like, well, I have to do this here and I can't do this here. Like I want to make it as easy as possible for the kids. Because for me personally, I don't give a shit. I'm like, I'll go on my own trip. So does this then, does this relationship allow you to have other relationships? If I choose to, yeah. I'm not in a place that I want to deal with anyone or anything. I'm barely dealing with myself and my kid. I'm like, literally, please, God. I just want to be alone on a beach with a margarita.

1:13:36And that's all I want. Like, I couldn't even fathom dealing with another human right now. But you could, though. I could. Yes, absolutely. And that would mean just having a conversation with Nick. Absolutely. And keep the communication. I'm sure you wouldn't like it, but, you know, I can do what I want to do. I just don't. I'm too tired. Yeah. There's too much going on. Maybe in a few years. Okay. So last question on this. Yeah. Unless you want to dispel anything else on this, is that, so I'm going back to the communication, right? Is that, so I could imagine, and you just said it, right? That he could, he would feel some kind of way.

1:14:09He'd feel, you know, maybe a little jealous, a little upset. Yeah. Right? Y 'all are hypocritical. Yeah, very, very. Yes, yeah. So then how is it then okay for him to maintain these relationships, but not okay for you to do it? It's not. It's not okay. A thousand percent is not. But, I mean, in our past, I did do that. So, you know, it's not that I won't or I can't. It's that I choose not to, especially at this moment and especially with, like, where we're at in our life and with my son. and that I just really, really don't want to deal with another man for a very long time. And I'm happy in my relationship.

1:14:46Like, I'm happy with my family unit. And I know people think I'm crazy and me, me, me, me, but I'm fine. You know, on the non-monogamy front, right, I think the latest data is 11 % of folks in the West, in the UK and the US, are experimenting with non-monogamy. One out of five have been in a open relationship. and this is probably no surprise, but one out of three men would be open. Of course. Of course they would. To experimenting. But listen, there's a lot of women that love women as well. So, you know, we can't just, it's not always just about them. So I think that's another thing too. And a lot of women are embarrassed and they don't talk about it or they feel shamed or they feel like, again, they're supposed to get married to a man and have kids.

1:15:33And like, I don't necessarily believe in that. I think you should be with whoever you want to be with and whoever you love or are attracted to. So I don't think that, you know, it should be so frowned upon. Like all these years people have been swinging and they've been doing all these things that people don't talk about because it's shameful or you're supposed to have this unity of marriage. And so people are making it this like dirty, weird thing versus like, you know, some people just don't want to be with one person. If you want to date a man, if you want to date a woman, if you want to date five people, I feel like you should be able to do whatever you want to do.

1:16:06and no one should be judged for that. So I think that we're slowly kind of getting there. But of course I get the comments like, stop normalizing this, like da-da-da-da. And I'm like, I'm not normalizing anything. I'm living my life. So if that affects you and triggers you, you should figure out why. But like my existence shouldn't bother you. Yeah, I hear that. I have a friend, her name is Ruby Rare. And she's in non-monogamous relationships. and it was really her that allowed me to begin to understand and actually read some of the data. You know, the satisfaction rates across both men and women are very high.

1:16:46And people end up staying married longer. They stay together longer. There's a lot that goes into that. Again, I'm not a spokesperson. I'm not telling people to do it. I'm just saying that everybody has their thing. And if you really look into it, it's not that crazy. Fair. That's fair. That's fair. That's fair. Fair enough. I mean, there's a lot of kids. I get that part. But listen, this whole little football team, they love each other and they're going to have an amazing upbringing and they're going to all have each other for life. And it's like a whole, you know, cannon gang over here. So I love it.

1:17:18I hear it. Can we talk about motherhood? Sure. Because you, from what I understand, you've gone through a miscarriage. Yes. Several miscarriages. Yes, I did. I had several. and actually when I got pregnant with Legendary, I had just had one probably like two months before. At this time, they told me I couldn't get pregnant for at least six months. And I was like, fuck it, I'm going to Europe then. I'm leaving for the summer with my girls. I can't deal with this. I'm out. And I was at the point where they were like, you're going to have to do in vitro. You're going to have to do something else.

1:17:52And I was like, I don't want to do that. I don't want to do that. I just don't feel like that's the way that I want to bring life into this world. That's not my vision of how I want to do it. And I had an all natural birth, no drugs, no anything. I'm just not, it's not my thing. So I went to Europe and I went for like a month. And then I came back and we went to film While and Out and I found out I was pregnant. And my doctor was like, how are you pregnant? And I was like, I don't know. Like, is it, I'm peeing on the steak. It tells me I'm pregnant. And so we were shocked. But I also like wasn't going to get excited about it because I was like, I've already had a few.

1:18:30So I was just like, all right, well, we'll just see what happens. And I feel like I was actually very detached from my pregnancy because I was like, well, if I lose it, it's going to be too much. So you're like, OK, I'm sure I literally was working and like working out like I wasn't pregnant. And everyone's like, you need to sit down. I was like, no, no, I'm fine. I'm fine. And I was. I had a fucking fantastic pregnancy. But I was also like. Emotionally detached. Yeah. Like I was like, and even in my birthing video when I had my son, I couldn't hold him. I was very like, I just need a minute given I was fucking exhausted.

1:19:06It was like 10 plus hours of labor, no drugs, no anything, nothing. What do you call that type of birthing that you do? Like a home birth? Home birth. All natural home birth. Was it, is it hypobirthing? What is it? Oh, hypnobirthing. Hypnobirthing. Yes, yes. I had an aspect of that, but I feel like that went right out the window when that really started active labor i was like fuck there was no hypnobirthing anywhere in sight i was like fuck your mantras get him out of me and i was just done and like no that was gone i love the thought i tried you tried but no fair enough yeah the anger the the old brie came out in that one i was like he's got to go now and i was 42 weeks i was huge i was way past due and it was um he was like almost 10 pounds.

1:19:50So it was so rough. It was rough. I had my whole family there. Like it was like a whole, all my friends, I call my family. So, you know, my dad was there and my, you know, everyone was there and we were celebrating. It wasn't like I was chained to a bed in a hospital with people coming in every five minutes. Like it was an, an awesome experience. Um, but I think that because I had been so detached and it wasn't real to me and I was so exhausted, I was just like, Like, I just need to recalibrate for a second. And then we had an incident. He didn't cry. Nick panicked. I could tell he was panicking.

1:20:23And I immediately shut off. Like, I was like, oh, he's not going to live. Like, I was like, OK, I'm done. I've checked out. I'm out. And then it took like, I don't know, two minutes before I was like, she's going to say he's done. I was like, oh, my God. I was like sitting there like, OK, all right. And then he starts crying. And I was like, OK. And at that moment, I was like, oh, my God, I'm a fucking mom. Like, what the fuck? I'm a mom. And it was like, I'm emotional. It's the only time I've ever, like, been like, what is happening? Like, this is my life. I have a baby. Like, what do I do? And I don't have a mom.

1:20:58And I don't have, like, that figure. So I was like, oh, shit. I have to figure this out, like, right now. Because I've been pretending, like, this isn't happening. So now I have to, like, figure it all out sitting here. Can you describe the first moment? Because you said you couldn't drink your child. What was that first moment with your child like? It wasn't really until I had already had like my little pass out whatever moment. And then I laid down in the bed. It was probably, I want to say it was like an hour later, honestly. Nick had him. And they were checking his vitals and all his stuff.

1:21:32Most people get those crazy shakes after you have a baby. And I just felt like I had no control of my body or anything. And I was just like, I can't hold him. Like, I can't. And then, and like, I literally couldn't even get up. I couldn't do anything. And so after the little episode, I felt so much better. And I was like, okay. And then my grandma was like reassuring and, you know, all of that. So it was just like a, it took me a second. Yes. You know, most women are like, let me see him. And I was like, eh. You needed a moment. I did. What do you think it was about your grandmother, though, that gave you the ability?

1:22:05My grandma's my mom at the end of the day. Like she raised me, you know, it's like so and I had sent Nick's security at the time to go get her in Vegas. So like when I had started labor 10 hours earlier, I was like, you go get her now. So I went and got her and she got there right after. OK, so she missed it. But she didn't totally miss it because obviously she came in right when I had him. And then Brie becomes a mom. Yeah. So weird. Incredible. Yeah, it's great. Incredible. Did you suffer from postpartum? absolutely like all the time and you know there was a lot that transpired and I had a lot of awful people around me at that time like new people like most people in my life have been around for literally a decade like everyone in my circle is solid and this is right before I started the show when I had just gotten with Nick and I had um some people around that should not have been around and I think it even it worsened it even more um and my postpartum was so bad to the point where I was like what if I just smother him in myself like it was it was bad and like people don't talk about it because it's like as a mom you feel so much shame you're like why would I ever say that why would I ever think that and I'm like I'm not gonna hide that from people because I think that I found like this really weird community on TikTok honestly it was like seeing all these videos of like, I think because, you know, your phone picks up on your conversations.

1:23:32I was having like real conversations with people I thought cared about me at the time. And they, my phone was picking up on it. So I was getting all these like postpartum videos. And I was like, oh my God, this is, I'm not crazy. Like, so I'm not totally fucked up. And like, I felt like, I felt crazy. And when I saw them, I was like, oh, this is a real thing. Like, why don't people talk about this? Why does nobody tell you this before you have a baby? Like, why is this not a prerequisite to having a child to learn how to, like, see these things and how to deal with them and how to prepare for them and how to, like, have the right support?

1:24:06Like, why do we not have that? It's not like 2 % of women. Like, this is like majority of women. And it's, I was like, I'm not going to keep this to myself. I'm just not who I am. So I was very honest about that. But women are also scared because there's a chance that you could take my child. You know what I mean? Like if you say the wrong thing to the wrong person, you could lose your kid, even though you're just hormonally fucked and stressed and scared and all of the things that we go through. So it's like a really sad, it's a really sad place because it's like, where are women supposed to go?

1:24:41You tell us to, the first thing your doctor asks you is, how are you feeling? And you're like, I'm fucking great. Please don't take my kid. Like, that's so scary. You don't want to be transparent. You can't. But what are you? I mean, you know, this is important for the guy, right? It's like when you think about the low points, what were you thinking, seeing that you were scared to talk about? It's just more expressing like how you feel in that moment because think about it. You're sleep deprived. Like you're not sleeping at all. Your body just went through something so traumatic that is so downplayed that it's actually offensive that people act like this is such a normal thing.

1:25:19Like it is so normalized that we are not getting enough love and support and like real attention to like what just happened. I created this human. I brought it into the earth. I literally killed myself nearly. Women die in labor. Like I don't know why this is so like okay and normal. It's like women lose their lives to bring life into this world. And you're telling me I should go to work in two weeks? It's insane. and you're saying that after everything I've just went through and everything like I should just be okay like I'm not okay and it's okay to not be okay but there should be more support for for women and I think that one thing I loved about Asian culture which was one of the things I was coming across was they have these hospitals and they take care of the mother that's that's the forefront of it because the mother is going to take care of your kid right right now we just need to hold you skin to skin and breastfeed.

1:26:15And that's it. We need the love. We need to be supported. And we don't have that, especially in America. It's a fucking joke. And then you have to kind of go home and deal with it yourself. And they give you nothing. Like, they don't even give you like a booklet. Like, you get nothing. It's just like a, here's your baby, good luck. That's crazy. How did you deal with it? I didn't. I literally was just like, all right, well, I read a lot. I read a lot during my pregnancy as well. Um, and I kind of, I feel like your natural instinct just kicks in. And then obviously immediately I loved him after I was like the next day.

1:26:51And then it was like, okay, I'm fine. You know, but filming, filming took me out. Yeah. Which, which, which I mean, we have to definitely go there because I'm curious because you immediately go into filming. But, but, but just almost like a full stop on motherhood is that I find this to be such an interesting arc in your life. Yeah. Because I can imagine there were many years where you never thought you would be a mom. Yeah. I went back and forth a lot. I was like, maybe I won't have kids. Maybe not. Maybe I'm selfish and I don't need kids. Maybe I'll just skip that whole chapter along with getting married.

1:27:26But there was a big part of me that always knew I wanted to be a mom and that I wanted that legacy and I wanted that opportunity to have that love and bond that I wanted as well. So I think there was a bit still in there of the selfishness, but I was like, I can do this and I could do this better. And I would genuinely love my kid. And this would be like my bestie, which he entirely is and will forever be. You know, is it almost fair to say that, you know, throughout your life, you wanted to be loved so much? Yeah. I mean, who doesn't? You created someone that you could love. Of course. To the same degree.

1:28:03Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And now when you think about motherhood, even to this day, right? Yeah. How did it change you? I literally, like, I couldn't even name every single thing about me. From the way that I think, from the way that I move, the things that are important to me, the people that I allow around. My tolerance for bullshit is even less. Everything. I mean, I think more about the things that come out of my mouth. I'm more intentional. Everything has a purpose. Everything has to mean something for me to do it and spend my time and my energy. and I'm constantly working on myself to be better for him, which was not something I really cared about before, to be entirely honest.

1:28:43They're the biggest reflection of you good and bad. So I think that regardless on everything, he was going to make me change whether I wanted to or not. Yeah, look at that. I always say children are angels. Yeah, they are. And they are sent to us to literally change us. And it's like they teach us to become parents. Deadass. I literally was like, well, thank you, because I don't know what I'm doing. So, yeah, no, he definitely, like, and he's always been, he's very funny. He's definitely steered me the whole way. Like, he's a very opinionated little two-year-old now. I love it. I love it. And I love it for you, you know?

1:29:20Thank you, yeah. So now you have a child, and then you immediately decide to enter what has become one of the most watched, top-rated shows out there. So Selling Sunset, how do you even get that opportunity? They had asked me a few times previously, and I wasn't interested. I was very much in my, like, I'm living my life, and nobody really knows about my relationships. I do what I want to do. I was still private for the most part. And even with Johnny, I still maintained a lot of privacy. Okay. And it wasn't really until I got outed for my pregnancy that I was like, well, fuck it. now everything is out.

1:30:02Let's just embrace it. Let's just do it. Because when you say you got outed is that you and Nick were attempting to keep that private. I was. You were. I was because I had kind of seen what had happened with other people involved. And I was like, you know what? I've worked so hard. I don't need this. And it was more of like my own personal decision. And there was a part of me that was like, when it's time, I will come out with it for a legendary, but in this moment, I don't think it's necessary. And I don't need any added stress. And I don't need any of these things. And I don't need opinions.

1:30:36And I don't, I don't need any of it. I definitely don't like, I don't owe anyone anything. And at this time was when people were really going hard on the internet. And I was like, I can just skip all of this. Just keep my peace. Just keep it. So how were you outed? So I don't know exactly what happened. I did like a helicopter reveal drop and I wanted to be on the beach but excuse me I was like if I go to I'm sorry a helicopter reveal this is very high end for me so what could you break down what a helicopter I know I just threw that in there subtly I'm like just a helicopter um basically I didn't really want to have a baby shower and I wanted to do like an elaborate reveal but I didn't want to do like the whole thing, like the whole party, the whole whatever.

1:31:25But the helicopter, what does the helicopter drop? The color. Oh, so it just rains down blue. Not like babies, it drops the color. Babies everywhere. Babies for everybody. No, it's going to be pink or it's going to be blue. So it just drops lots of like confetti. Yeah, it's like, I don't know what it is. Confetti. No, it was like smoke. Oh, blue smoke. Everything was blue. It was confetti as well, but it was like a big, you know. I see. You had to have a moment. Was it a blue helicopter too? No, it was though. They would have told me too soon because everyone was trying to scare me that I was a girl.

1:31:55And I was like, no, it's a boy. I know it's a boy. Okay. So that happens. You're recording it, obviously. But then someone takes that. So it was the Santa Monica walkway, boardway part. You could stand up there and you could see down into the house. But that's very calculated. So I'm like, somebody here tipped you off to be able to have that view, to be able to do that. So that's where I was very confused and everybody. and like everybody and like hid for the rest of my pregnancy and everything. Cause I was like, how does that, how does that get out in such a small group and renting a house? And I would imagine the moment that gets out too, you're the villain again.

1:32:36Absolutely. And what's, what's, what's the press? What is everyone saying about you? Oh, the same thing they say about everybody. Oh, another baby and the this and the that. And I was like, yeah, I'm signing off. I don't need any of this. Like I'm good. and I'm able to check out of that but there was like a lot of racial hate that I didn't anticipate interesting and you know people being like you know your child dies and like I was getting like crazy shit and I was like what is this like I've never experienced this before and like Nick was like you were having a black child and I was like what does that mean like what does that mean and that was like I was like so ignorant to all of it like I was like why would somebody send me that like why would somebody hate a baby like it was so confusing and upsetting and i was like i'm off the fucking internet like i was like get me out of here because my clap back game then was was too much so i had to just sign all the way up yeah yeah but i would imagine though if if you're so you were getting death threats well they were wishing dead on my child yeah not even on you on your child you and your child die and this and calling me all kinds of names and whatever but But at this point, though, you must, though, think about how do I protect myself even more?

1:33:49Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think for me, I just see the internet as not a real place. Okay. It's just not a real place to me. And I'm like, I understand. Again, I'm here to make money. So I understand that aspect of it. But otherwise, it's just not a real place. I'm like, you're crazy. Okay, bye. I don't even really. I probably should have taken it a little bit more seriously, thinking back on it with threats like that, especially people knowing what you look like and all those things. But I didn't. I more of just was like, fuck you all. Let me just get off of here. So you disconnected from that. You distanced yourself from that.

1:34:22Yeah. But then you were talking about with Selling Sunset, because you went to work fairly quickly after giving birth. Six weeks. Six weeks. So they must have been talking to you early or offering you early. Yeah. So I made the decision when I was still pregnant. My producer always tells this story. I came in with my belly out in this crazy outfit and he was like, she's going to be bold. And I was dying. I was like, what? You don't like my outfit. But yeah, it was probably, I was like nine months pregnant and about to have the baby any day. And I was taking my last meeting with production and Netflix before I decided to do it.

1:34:56But what gives you, why do you go forward with that? Because I want to mention you. Yeah. Nick was like, you should do it. Why not? And I was like, are you sure I should do this? I don't know. It's a reality show. I don't know. We sat down and watched it together. And like at the time, it wasn't as dark and crazy as it's gotten. It was way more like dumb surface level drama. And I was like, oh, I could do this. Okay. Okay, cool. And I felt good. And then I got there and I was like, are you guys all unhinged? What is this? Like, this is horrific. It's not what you thought it was. Absolutely not.

1:35:31And I don't know why my season was the turning point. But I was like, okay, well, I'm already here. So now what? Now I just got to figure it out. So you go into a tornado. Yes. Yeah. All right. So we'll call it a tornado. I don't even know what it was. But then also you're a new mom at the same time. Yeah. You're navigating all the things that the press is saying about you. You still have all that hate cloud around you. Oh, yeah. So who do you have in your life that's supporting you? Yeah. I mean, no one really. I mean, I kind of did. Like I had my best friend, Erica. but she also has her family and her daughter.

1:36:12And it's like I distanced myself from most of my friends because none of them really had kids. And I was kind of okay with my mom, but I was just kind of allowing it because Nick wanted me to. And he was like, give her a chance. Maybe she'll be better. And I was like, no, she won't, but okay. And I had my grandma. It was a very dark year for me, for sure, because it's like I'm taking this huge stride in being a mom and not knowing what the fuck I'm doing. And now I've been thrown into the public eye where everyone's like attacking me as Nick Cannon's baby mama and it's this and it's that. And then I got this fucking crazy girl on the show attacking me.

1:36:50And like everywhere I go, I'm like, bro, can I just take a nap? I'm tired. I'm fully breastfeeding. I breastfed him for a year. So it's like in between scenes. And like while I'm driving there, I'm back. And like I didn't have a night nurse. So I was up with him all night by myself. and like I didn't want one because I felt I'm breastfeeding. What's the point? She's just going to wake me up anyways. And, you know, I went straight from work, straight into mommy mode, and it was just, it was hard. It was really fucking hard. And I would imagine there's also the unknown as well because you shoot a show like that, you don't know how it's going to be edited.

1:37:22No. I had no idea. What's going to make it, yeah. I was shocked when I saw season six. I was like, are you guys fucking kidding me right now? Like what is this? Like you're talking shit about me the whole time. You're talking about kids. You're talking about Nick. Like all of the things you swore would never be a topic. And I'm literally fighting for my life every day at home, here, everywhere. Like what is wrong with you people? Like, and it's like a part of TV. But at the end of the day, it's like, this is still my real life. Right. Like I still have to deal with this and go home. Like I was like, you can't, like a lot of people couldn't take what I just went through.

1:37:59Like it, it was crazy to me. The whole experience was like, it was a lot. Do you think that on the show, that particular series, do you think that you were targeted in particular because you are Nick Cannon's baby mama? Yeah. Okay. I think originally, and I say this with love because I love the producer of our show, Adam's a genius. However, I think originally I was placed in there as a little bit of a hype and more of like somebody that would be like an easy target without them really knowing how much fight I had in me. So I think that in that time, it was a pivotal point with Christine leaving.

1:38:39And I definitely have the spice and I have all of those components that people love about Christine. I'm very different from Christine. but I think that at that time it was like okay so she's gonna bring what's going on right now which is the Nick Cannon situation she's gonna bring a bunch of other things that we can kind of utilize and instead of letting it consume me and you know have me flip out and do all the things that I'm sure they were hoping I would do I did the complete opposite and I think that without me having all the life experience that I had, that show could have ruined my life.

1:39:17I could have been Nicole. Sorry, Nicole. But you know, I was like, she did not, she did not know what she was doing. So I feel like I was set up for failure in so many ways. And it's just, you know, another testament to everything I went through was like for a reason. And I will crawl to the motherfucking top if I have to, but you're not taking me out. I will be the only person to take me out. So it was a big, it was a big lesson. Yeah. And you say that you could have been taken out, but it feels like the masses are on your side. Like, I mean, I saw the people here in this office in line to meet you.

1:39:55So, I mean, so you flipped the script. Yeah. But the thing is, is I was truly just me and I'm very like take it or fucking leave it like I'm always consistent I'm quite predictable so it's like there's a level to that that like if you don't respect me that only says something about you but again you don't have to like me but that's also being an adult yes yes yeah but but I'm sure you feel the love I do I do and I was like so shocked and I appreciate it so much because I was nervous that they were gonna you know take away everything that I've built and label me Nick Cannon's baby mama and this whatever and like it's scary to go into a situation where people can decide who you are and they have full control over that and once that's there there's nothing you can do about it and even also that impacts your you know your career my real life my real money my things that I'm gonna do after this show is over like you could really damage that like I have a lot of respect for people that do TV and I wish the internet and people had a little bit more because these people are not just entertaining they're giving you their life yes the highs the lows and like allowing you to just berate them and say awful things about them and like discredit them and do all of these things and still entertaining you yes so it's just kind of like you know I don't know I hope that eventually someday it gets a little bit better but at this point you just gotta have thick skin what's interesting to me is that you have been the villain and ostracized throughout most of your life yeah and you've just been on selling sunset for how long well it's four seasons now yeah but it's the last two years three years yeah the last three years so you spent the entire life being villainized yeah the last three years people are showing you love there's still some villainizing going on yeah but but but you're starting to see that love how does it how does that feel to you i sometimes it's like not even real like last night i gave an award away and people were like screaming and i was like is something wrong like what is this me like it's like shocking to me because for so long people have been like she's such a bitch and it's this and it's that and so it's like so freeing and so beautiful to be able to like be accepted for like who I actually am and that I get to like truly just be me and to have people actually like it is just crazy so I'm like oh you like oh really are you lying like it was so weird to me and I still am not used to it so like people come up and talk to me and they're like I'm sure you don't want to hear this I'm like no I want to hear it tell me how do you feel and so I'm like it's still surreal it's just such a weird thing, honestly.

1:42:45I don't think I'll ever get used to it. So if you were to go back with the offer to join Selling Sunset, would you still have joined? At that time? Yes. Yeah. I mean, I feel like everything happens for a reason. I don't ever regret anything I do. The only thing I think for me was I wish I had more time with my son. I wish I would have had a little bit more time before I started. And that's just mom guilt, which I'll have forever. So I think, but essentially, no, I never regret anything. And I stand by everything I do and all the dumb shit I say and everything else. But I feel like that was what I was meant to do.

1:43:22And honestly, it was probably a blessing because I was probably too tired to cuss Chelsea out. So honestly, it probably did me a favor. Yeah, I was like, you know what? I just need a nap. I don't care. Do you think that you two will ever reconcile? No. Never? Never. We tried. I tried last time. and the way last season went, I'm not friends with any of them anymore. So I'm good on that. And I have so much respect for their tripod and enjoy. Okay, I hear it. I'm like, I want no part of it. I hear it. Yeah, I hear it. I'm good. What's the future like for you? I have so many things. I have so many.

1:43:59I'm opening a Pilates studio that has like childcare so I can support moms and give them a place to bring their kids so that they can get in shape and mentally, physically, all of the things. I have a swim line coming out. I have a home line coming out. I have so many things that I'm working on. And I'm just going to hit that next tier every year. The next tier. Next tier. I need that yacht in Saint-Tropez that I can just go be with my son all summer. That's what I'm striving for. Can I say this? Yeah. Is that this is what is standing out the most to me about you. Okay. Is that you are, I think, the perfect definition of knowing self-worth.

1:44:37Thank you. You are. Thank you, because most people think the opposite. That has remained consistent. From 13 years old, I want to be emancipated because I know this is not the right environment for me. Yep. To 18. Yep. To leaving Nick. Yep. The first Nick. Yeah, exactly. The first Nick and then the next Nick. Nick Huggins. Deciding to divorce. Yeah. How you move throughout your career. Yeah. Even how you've decided to not engage in certain drama that happens. it's about knowing self-worth. Yeah. I think that's a massive lesson that we can take from your life. I think the lessons we can take from everyone's life.

1:45:17Of course. But this is really what I'm taking away. Oh, thank you. Because I feel like the biggest narrative is these women have no self-worth and they're this and they're that. And I'm like, I don't think so at all. I don't think that's any of our narratives involved, to be honest. So that means a lot to me because I definitely know my self-worth that I'm not insecure and I'm not all of these things that I've been labeled due to my choice of partner. And so that's obviously a big thing for me. So I appreciate that. You got it. You got it. Let's talk about these wildfires. Let's do it. Because it seems like I haven't visited the States and I've not visited LA since the wildfires, but my God, I've never seen anything like this.

1:46:00It was devastating. It's the worst one we've ever had for sure. um it was just it was just bizarre though honestly like how it's hitting all of these surrounding areas like fires don't usually spread like that so my experience i grew up in calabasas and we're in a very rural area a lot a lot of greenery very beautiful and we have fires every year like i remember being evacuated almost every year okay like this is like a common thing so we're pretty used to the fires for the most part but this one was just different to watch friends and clients and people lose everything it was just mind-blowing when you like see your whole city on fire and chaos and then people taking opportunities to rob everyone while it's happening and just like you're just like what what is this what in the apocalypse is happening right now and there's like nothing you can do about it but wait and fire is a scary one because you know with all the embers it it jumps and it it starts other places not usually like whole different cities but um there was a lot going on there and it felt very much like we were surrounded especially where I was and to see the amount of people like fleeing and just like it was just so scary and dark and sad and instead I mean you look at the deaths yeah you look at even what's going to now happen in terms of lingering health issues as a result of smoke debris, et cetera, the structure damage.

1:47:27But one thing that you have mentioned that I've heard now many, many people talk about is, was there any intention behind? Were these fires intentionally set? What's your take on it? The one behind my house was 100 % deemed arson. People are moving out of LA and they're like, well, I can't even rebuild my house. Insurance isn't even covering it. Exactly. And I've even heard or read reports of landlords increasing, gouging. Yeah. So this is happening. Oh, yeah. And Jason went hard on this, which is something you will see in the season. But he, you know, it is illegal to do what they're doing. It's there's a cause during natural hazards that you cannot increase rents and certain things.

1:48:09And anyone that's using this as an opportunity during such a devastating moment is just gross. But unfortunately, that's what majority of people do. They know that there's only so much prime real estate in areas to be in, and they know that their price, they could double their price or whatever. But yeah, they're literally prosecuting agents as well. Gosh. Yeah. It's incredible. It's crazy. And then also insurance companies. Oh yeah, they told everyone to fuck off. It's crazy. Yeah, it's mad. They're like, oh, we're not gonna pay you. It's like, we pay insane premiums for fire insurance. Like, I wanna say like four times, maybe even more what we pay for other insurances and then you don't cover it.

1:48:48Right. That's. Right, yeah, yeah. It's incredibly sad. Yeah. Incredibly sad. Well, then, Brie, I have one final question for you. Okay. This is the question that everyone gets. Uh-huh. And this is my favorite question. Okay. Okay. So if you think back across your life, you've had incredible conversations. I know you have. Yeah. With incredible people. Yeah. What was the most memorable conversation that you had? Who was it with? Okay. And what did you learn? I think the most memorable one I ever had was with my friend's mom who passed away. And she, she just literally made me have this appreciation and like, will to live.

1:49:34And like, I don't know, there was something about like being in her darkest time where she was like, you have so much potential and so much life and I need you to like live for her that it was like, okay I can do that like I can do this like you deserve this she should have been here with me like I can do that I think that was the hardest conversation because in that moment you're like so young and you're like I don't know what I could do for you but like looking back I was like that shifted so much because I felt like I had even more of a fight for somebody that like wasn't here and I think that was like the first time I really like I made a serious commitment like I always knew I wanted to do stuff with my life but to her it like meant something that I like did what I said I was going to do.

1:50:14Yeah. Yeah. The pride. Oh, I have so much pride. I'll be like, no, like if I say, that's one thing about me. If I say I'm going to do something, I'm doing it. It doesn't matter. Like if I make you a promise, even if I don't like you at the end of it, like I'm going to do it. Yeah. Yeah. No, I see it. Your life is a testament to this as well. It sure is. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what, Brie, this has been an honor. Thank you. I have learned so much. I was like, yeah, I was like, I had to relive everything. My jaw was like, oh my gosh. But I tell you, I appreciate your transparency. You know, your honesty in this.

1:50:49You are, who you are on television is who you are in person. Absolutely. Yeah. Because I think a lot of people show up on TV as a complete, like a reduced version or a blown up version of themselves. Yes. But you are consistent. Absolutely. Yeah. I don't know how people maintain that image, honestly. I don't know how they do it. Like, it's like, what mask are you wearing today? That's exhausting. Yes. Thank you. Yes. I'll just paint my same one on every day. I like the one that I have on. I like this one. It's fine. It fits great. So, yeah. But thank you. Super. Thank you so much.

1:51:32That's my reaction. Why? One, can I just say, I'm so happy that That Brie felt comfortable to give us her full truth. The stories I just heard are stories that I have never heard. I didn't realize how passed over she felt. Her mother literally gave up on her. And she kept being passed around. and at a certain point realized she has to fight for herself to then begin the emancipation process from your parents at 13, it's almost unheard of to now have to fend for yourself, to earn income for yourself, to care and love yourself when you feel as if no one cares for you. For her to have gone through that but still have a sense of self-worth and you can see that self-worth show up time and time again throughout her life was profound.

1:52:38I think there is a narrative that she's just hung on to famous men, found herself on this hit television show, makes lots of money. But in actuality, she has been driven since the age of 13. I think my parents desired more for me at 13 than I desired for myself. So you could see that, yes, that drive is incredible. More and more that I talk to those who are in non-monogamous relationships, I come to the understanding that it's what works for you. Did you change your opinion on the show? No. No. I don't like being in your relationship anytime soon. No. What seemed to be clear to me is that Bree is still navigating the parameters of her relationship.

1:53:29And what I appreciated is she admitted to, yes, at times I have been jealous. But the fact that she sees this as the healthiest relationship that she's ever had is a massive statement. There are 8 billion people in this world. And what differentiates all of us is that each of us is unique. and Brie is someone who if you just kind of look at her and you don't examine her life, you could think, oh, she's just imitating others. But in actuality, she has figured out who she is and she's doubled down on that. And it's her authenticity is why she wins.

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