Coleen Rooney: What Was Really Happening Behind The Headlines

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39:16Doing this podcast is one of the greatest joys of my life and I want to continue to share it with you. So hit follow and the bell icon. It takes just a second and it helps us to continue to grow this podcast. What I look at also that time is it felt like there was an industry that was created around public figures and there was lots of money being made. So even with the paparazzi, you know, photos, 5, 10, 15, 20 ,000 pounds, and they're making significant money from these. This also seemed right around that time to give rise to this term, wag. Which, by the way, when I got to the UK, I had no idea what it meant.

40:03I kept hearing people say it. I was like, what does that mean? All right. So I guess technically it is what? Wife and girlfriend. Right. And suggesting of a footballer. Yeah. Do you see in history, do you see how, do you remember when that term? Yeah, it was when we went to the World Cup in Germany. Yes. Can you describe that? Because I think historically that's a significant moment. Yeah. So it was the World Cup in Germany and it was the first time the FA, the Football Association, had put on a trip for families. So it had always been you could go, but you plan your trip yourself. Ah, OK. And we was never as a group.

40:57We funded it ourselves, but they would plan a trip that we could all book on to and be one as family and children and friends of the players. We made the most of the time we had there together. And a lot of us did turn up not knowing each other because England obviously is a team put together from a lot of other teams. and we don't see each other week in week out if as if you did with a club and yeah the press had a field day they created this wag term because it was probably the one moment we were all in at the one place at the one time and was this this photo this icon i think you were in the middle of the yeah yeah i think truly if when you look up i think it was a mag it was in a magazine a magazine and I came up with the term and it was that photograph that, yeah.

41:56Okay, because whenever I see the term and like historically you go back, there's a photograph that I see. You're in the photograph. I know Victoria Beckham's in the photograph. Is it Cheryl? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and my best friend, Claire. Oh, okay, Claire's in there. Claire's winning. She got in there. Claire's winning. And that photograph is the representation of wag, right? So when you think about that term, what's your opinion of it? I don't take it too seriously. What I've always said throughout is we are individuals. We are our own person. There's this perception of a wag that is obviously a partner or a wife of a footballer.

42:46But what they created was they are shopping all the time. They're lunch and drinking champagne. They're living this life off the back of their partner. And it annoyed me at the beginning because of that. Because we're all on our own different journeys. We are, you know, when we come out, obviously we're in a group there to support our husbands. But it's the same with the cricket team. It's the same with the golfers. Is that because football was classed as a working class sport? At the time, I was thinking, you know, I just didn't like the fact that we were all put in this one category. Yes. You know, because even reading accounts then, I saw one account where it was like, I don't know if they named anyone's name, but they said, you know, one of the wives, one of the girlfriends is spending£57 ,000 or spent£57 ,000 in an hour.

43:48Yeah, yeah. I was thinking... We were in Baden-Baden in Germany. I don't think you could have spent that. It was a spa. It was a quiet spa. It was only not even a handful of places that you could go to dine, to drink. So we were all on top of each other, the press and us, in this one small place. So they were just there in the moments of... So we would go days where we didn't do nothing, but obviously they would pick their moments and exaggerate them. And the boys didn't know anything because they were in their hotel, but they only know what we're doing because you're telling them. It's being reported on.

44:32Yeah. So who's to blame there? It was, yeah, it was this moment that was just exaggerated. I have something to show you. Are you ready for this? Yeah. You ready? All right. This is a big one. All right. So this is 2007. So this is a year after. Do you realize how popular you are? I always underestimate myself in that world. And I just think I'm so grateful for the people that do support me and love me and are on board with me. But I just don't like to think it's as big as it is. It's not that I don't like to think. I just don't put myself on that pedestal. At a certain point, it feels like you started to lean in a little bit.

45:20It's almost as if you said, OK, if you're going to do this, I'm going to participate. I'm going to begin to control my narrative. Paul, who's our manager, he called a meeting and it was with my parents. And he was like, listen, I just want to give you an outlook of it's going to be big. and if we're going to do anything, you've got to commit, you know, you can't go back on it because you're going to open yourself up to the public and it's very hard to do that and then draw a line and say, I don't want to be here anymore. The first one I did, we had this lady who actually, she was a journalist and she befriended my mum.

46:15So me and my mum went and done, well, it was me, but my mum came along with me and we'd done an interview. And when I look back on it now, you know, it was not bad, but it was probably not what I would have done now. And that was a learning curve. Now, one aspect of taking the reins is what I find to be truly one of the most fascinating stories of pop culture and social media. And this is this Wagatha Christie story. And what I noticed was not only the respect, but I was talking to a friend of mine who's a makeup artist. And she said, oh, Colleen Rooney. Yeah, she switched on. And I think the level of appreciation for you as an individual increased in that moment.

47:07Do you feel that way? I do now. Okay. During that period, I would say it was probably the worst time of my life. Obviously, I've gone through grief. I've gone through relationship problems. I've thought this was, I could take control of them situation. You know, obviously with grief is different, but I could channel that in a different way. Whereas this was out of my control. Oh, wow. What I said from the beginning is what I believed in and what was true. Thinking that someone in your circle is disclosing private information, that would drive me mad. Yeah. And what I'm curious about is what impact did that have on you and then the relationships you had?

48:02Because can you trust anyone? I would have friends saying, you wouldn't think it was me, would you? But it wasn't until after you'd done that post that I'd seen the relief in people's faces. and they came to me and was like all along I've been thinking that I hope that you've not thought that I've done this and I and I was like I would never in a million years think it would be you and they have gone through this pain and kept it and I've I I felt it I was like I can't believe that I've put you in that position by you know you thinking that right and it wasn't just a couple it was a lot it was quite a lot of people um and that made me sad it made me sad that you know i've made people and they've and not knowing because i've been getting on with they probably distanced themselves from me because they're thinking oh i don't want to hear anything i don't want to hear you to tell me stuff because i don't want to hear to think then i'm going to go and tell someone I did what I did and I got to know what people was feeling around that time.

49:17But yeah, it was a horrible situation to be in and it totally stripped me of my personality. What was it about that situation that drained you? It went on for years and I did not want to go to court. Okay. You know, I was thinking that is the worst place that you could put me because I am then centre of attention. And it's, you know, I don't want to be there. But then I've got the whole world looking on. It's like you are opening yourself up for everyone else to judge that situation. Yes. I don't want to be there. I don't want that. I'd rather deal with it in, you know, which I've always dealt with things behind, you know, in my own way and in small situations, even though the world I've known about things.

50:13But I've always dealt with it in my own way, which this, it was that I was not in control of it. You have an Instagram account that has a private setting on it and you're posting things on this Instagram account and some of it makes it to the press. and you're questioning how and who is sending this over to the press. So what you do is you then limit the account to just one person, who is Rebecca Vardy, and you then post, right? You post, and then those posts, that content ends up making its way to the press. It gets spoken about in the press. And so you go on to, is it Instagram or Twitter? It was a social media platform.

51:03Social media platform. And you specifically say, this is what I've been doing. She comes out and says, no, it's not me. You have many people in the public who come and support you. But then there's many people in the public that come and support her. And there's this massive discussion that's happening back and forth. This is where the Wagatha Christie from Agatha Christie, right, is placed on you. And then Rebecca Vardy sues you. She then loses in court and there's a defamation proceeding. And she now is obligated to pay you a certain amount of money. Yeah. Okay. Is that – that's an essence of what happens.

51:48Yeah, so the call case, there was many hearings in between. So, you know, it was a long process. so we had a few hearings, you know, which went her way. And then there was obviously the main one at the end was in the high court. It's so weird because I've never, ever drove past the court again just because I've just never gone on that journey. In the car this morning, I drove past. I was like, oh, my goodness, like that, there it is. and yeah, I got this weird feeling that it takes me back to a situation that I never wanted to be in but I had to be, didn't enjoy it obviously didn't enjoy it but you know what, I stuck to it and I got the outcome that I believe I deserved and going back to the beginning it went crazy in the press And I didn't think it was, you know, people like, did you not know it was going to go?

52:54No, no, I didn't think it would go that big. I just wanted to put a stop to what was happening. And the way I visioned it was that was the only way I could do it because I just, other ways of thought of doing it, I just didn't think it would, it would, it would work. And I thought, right, it's out there, done. and obviously I just didn't know what was to come after that and it was a hell of a journey. And people argue the fact where, you know, you're putting stuff on social media anyway, so what's the big thing about it? The big thing to me was the stuff that got leaked wasn't anything of extreme secrecy.

53:40Yes. It's the fact that I've let you into my circle. I am even though I'm in the public eye I have I have I've got a right to have some privacy I've got a right to live my my life within the public eye you know and that was a part of that that life and I had I've got a public Instagram so anything that I put on there I share to the world but I've got a private one where I will have a laugh and a joke with you know and I'll do small things that the world wouldn't be well they would be bothered about but to me it's a bit more personal it's a bit more and for someone to be in that group knowing that the life I've lived in the public eye where people have soul stories where people have gone against us where and I've always been you know it's it's not it's that's not right it really got to me that I've let this person in this space and what other space are you in where else in my life are you involved because now um you're making me a person that i don't want to be you're making me wary of people of people that i've selected to be in my my smaller world yes a lot of people criticize that you know you've got so many so many followers on there surely it's gonna be out no no it's not surely because i respect these people they respect me that's why we are you know we're friends and i had put posts out prior to going public to say whoever's doing this to me stop it oh okay i'd give warnings and it still continued so that really got to me as well as the fact that you know it's affecting me but you're still doing it you're still doing it yes when you reflect back what do you believe that incident cost you presence with my family that was the biggest thing I felt so guilty about was not being present in the time, you know.

55:55I was there physically, but mentally. And as a mum, as a wife, my mind was just on that court case. And just questioning myself, like, do I really need to be in this situation? Should I go? And the fact is, I'm a strong person, but you know there's times where I do break and that's I'm real this broke me as as a person it stripped my personality you know there was moments where I should have been enjoying and I didn't enjoy them because it was just there at the back of my head and every morning I would wake up and I'd say come on Colleen get your act together don't think about it today just be present with what you're doing and enjoy you know the moments and I couldn't you couldn't what what were you in fear of happening the biggest fear was putting on a public display in court that is not that's not me that's not what you know I can do magazines I can do this I can but in court having the world looking on which is a situation which I've always said could have could have been dealt we in private the thing what I took out of it at the end was which is why I did do that documentary was people didn't know the full story people were only picking pieces out of it you know what was reported people you know didn't follow it from the beginning to the end and obviously the press put their spin on it I felt like a lot of people with was saying oh you know why is she taking they've got too much money to to mess around with taking it to court they're like two school girls in a playground fighting over you know over in over social media and that effect you know even that got to me was no this is it's it's my it's my feelings it's my my private world that got me through this journey so far, being in the public eye is not private anymore and that person has affected, you know, well obviously it is now, but at the time I was, you know, in the process of finding out who it was that's what shattered me, but the whole core case, it unsettled our home You know, I was emotional.

58:35I was ratty. I was impatient. I was so annoyed with myself that I let that happen. But I couldn't control it. I can see how much you value your circle. Yeah. So to have that threatened, I can understand the stress and the emotion that comes from it. I'm curious, though, since the case, has Rebecca reached out to you? No. And, you know, I have said this before. I didn't, we didn't socialise. We, you know, we were acquaintance because we were both married, two partners, and they played for England together. But, you know, the thing is, is, in the first place, why was she in that group? and maybe that's a moment where I should have questioned myself why was she in that group of them people and maybe that's why I did whittle it down because I didn't socialise.

59:48Because you knew? No, it wasn't because of me. Well, not because you knew. It was because we had things in common but we wasn't friends where we would meet up for a cup of tea or we were brought together because of our husband's jobs but we were never, we never had a friendship. Now when you think back, is there anything you would have done differently? Yeah, I would have got the post looked over by a lawyer first before I posted it.

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1:03:03That's something that my wife and I also share in common. it's interesting because I think back to how hard your parents fought to have you here and you knew that story did that almost exacerbate the weight and the pain from the miscarriages so I had a miscarriage before I had Kai so first pregnancy was a miscarriage and that was the And the first thought that came into my head when it happened was, will I be able to have children? Will I be able to carry a child? The one thing that was, I took positive out of it was my mum never conceived. She never actually, you know, she never got pregnant for that seven years.

1:03:54Okay. So my mum said that's one step further than what I ever got in that seven years. so that to me you know was that little bit of a a positive to take on board but obviously it's a situation that you would not want anyone to be in it was it was hard but the one thing I've always spoken about is it I Wayne found it really hard probably he was more affected by it than I was and I always remember him saying I do feel it too because it's our baby. No one really thinks about the partners that more, you know, they do, but it's always about the woman and them losing the baby and, you know, support and whereas obviously it's both of the parents and we were supported, you know, by our friends and family.

1:04:58we never ever put it in the public eye until years later when I um I've spoke about it and it's that's not because we were afraid of talking about it or we were it just it's never happened and we've never it's never come up in in our you know our conversations that we've had in the public high so um yeah i've had i had i've had two but the second one obviously you you grieve and it's but i knew i had children but the two miscarriages it always does play in the back of my mind was were they girls were they female am i am i not able to carry um girls and that i do wonder that But they don't investigate until you have three.

1:05:47One thing that I now am very curious about in terms of your motherhood is you protect your inner circle. This is everything to you. But now you're embarking on a massive show on Disney. Yeah, yeah. Right? The real Roonies. And so what I'm curious about is why, given this layer of privacy and protection and intimacy that you've maintained throughout the entirety of your life, especially given the age of your boys? So going back to when Kai was born, so our first, he's 16 now, we took on the decision to try and keep him out of the public eye. At the end of the season, the players parade around the fans to say thanks for supporting us for the season, and they take their families and children on the pitch.

1:06:46so the lawyer said to us if you take Kai on the pitch that all goes down the drain so we took the decision to say scrappy saves us a bit of money as well because we wasn't paying the for the legal going back years ago I've always been like oh I could never do one of them at homes or you know a documentary or but times changed and the world's changed so as now a lot of things are documented through social media lives are shown every day you know years ago you didn't know anything unless you would read about it or you would get told about it whereas everything now is is on video on camera and people are getting followed about and youtube and this and that so i feel like it's it's more normal so when we agreed to do it with disney i said i don't want it to be just at home you know where it's just us getting followed about i want there to be a purpose about it you know i want there to be a moment in in you know throughout the year where you know you you will be there filming and where so wayne it just come out of management he'd been sacked from um the club he was at at the time so he had the decision of what what was he going to do next so they followed the journey through that I then took the decision you know I I had been obviously had the court case I then went into the jungle if I hadn't done the court case would I have gone into the jungle I don't know but I do feel like the the support and respect that you touched on before that I got from the court case I think that was a drive for me to go into the jungle a lot of people hadn't seen me for me you know I don't know how they're going to react to me you know my conversations in there are they going to be for or against it it's like so you do have to go in and just think I don't know what the outcome is going to be mine was I couldn't have for anything better and I think that then gave me the drive to agree to do to do this and even on the jungle just to just to notice as you came in second I saw it was I think it was 44 percent of the vote which is significant yeah you know and what I read in terms of the analysis the nerdy part of it actually like this yeah you like data i see it you like data was that the public and this is interesting because it connects with the trailer for the show uh where you're uh i think wayne asked your son who's more popular you or wayne and what does your son say yeah yeah but i would then me seconds me second son that does say she is getting there Exactly.

1:09:52Because what that did is it not only boosted your popularity, but your likability. People resonated with you. As a result of that, it made it easier for you to do this series. But also it was the feedback of, you know, the public was, and this goes back to the first, when Wayne's on his documentary, there was snippets of family life, which were, you know, real situations. And that's the things that the public took away from them, from them documentaries was, we want to, you know, we could have sat there and watched a wedding DVD or, you know, why didn't we see more of, you know, you as a family, you as a home.

1:10:38and that continued throughout and like in the jungle when the kids came in yes that was like the biggest clip on you know on my Instagram that people re-watch because it was a genuine moment for a family you know it was they people actually love seeing them real moments that they can then identify in their lives and even you know in in the past I've done stuff where I've just laid the uniforms out for the next day and people are oh i do that so you know just the basic things that you think oh it's just every day because i said before we people think we live in this exactly not real world world yep we are living a real life we you know we're lucky to have the other things which you know of it's not all rosy at times because we do like you know it is intrusive it is there's you know downsides to that but people take them real things away and that's why i think we have agreed to do this this series episode one you drop a shocker in there but i think this is what a lot of people are going to tune in to so in it you say there are times where i think the answer is to see what it would be like if we're separated what do you believe they need to know, if anything, about the decisions that you make about your marriage?

1:12:06That they are my decisions and it's my marriage. It's not for anyone else to judge. I'm the one living in the situation, in that, you know, that relationship. What right have they got to judge me when I am living it? They're not living with me. They don't know the situation. So i'm open to yeah people have opinions people have but you let let them be and let them work it out for themselves and if they're happy good on them and then we're in you know this circle that i've got if there is you know i'm just thinking if there was signs of it's not right there you know let them step in and let them give me or Wayne advice or, you know, try and guide us to where, you know, like to make the right decisions.

1:13:03I don't think it's anyone else's, anyone else's business. It's interesting. My marriage, I think, is the same in terms of how we view information, right? So we will allow anyone to say anything, but it's only our close circle that we will allow critique from. You know, everyone else, it's just opinions, but the critique comes from the inner circle. When I was growing up, I remember something that my mother always told me, stay with me, and she said, marriage is forever. And that's how I approached it and I got married when I was 25 and I approached it like this is forever no matter what I do no matter what my partner does this is forever but then over the years I've now pivoted to it doesn't have to be forever right and because it doesn't have to be forever it demands more of us yeah I'm a Catholic and that is a Catholic way of you know you you're married for life and you commit to each other and through through you know through everything everything in life you're together and yeah you are together but there's situations that happen in a marriage that break that marriage and people why live an unhappy marriage when you don't have to and you know obviously you take that but it comes to a point where work at it if you can work through it great if you can't there's no there's you know it's you're both unhappy so i am open to that whole marriage world where you know does you even though you've took that vow it it doesn't have to be forever you want it to be forever right but it doesn't always work out and there has been times in my life where i've got to a point where i think is this is this working or can we work at it and we've never we've never gone to couples counseling we've never done really never never never we've always done it together and maybe that's been the longer periods of times where we've been a bit you know and we you know i've not had a plain sailing marriage and still to this you know we are at a really good point in our lives now and i do think that is because we know our roles in the households now.

1:15:36That might sound petty to people, but with Wayne coming out of management, out of the football, even though he's doing TV, but it's a whole new world. Yeah. He's been in this world since he's been a child where that's all he's known, and it's very regimental. it's very it's it's just it's it's just the norm to him he was not always at home like because he would travel and he'd be um in hotels so i pretty much lived my life when he was working as if he's there it's a bonus so he would drop in so i would organize our life with with weighing out of it but then when he was there it was great because he you know he just got added on so that's where like my parents have been a big part of my family life because they are my next you know they're my the my parents I'm really close to them they've helped in them situations where I've needed another helping hand so they've literally brought my kids up with me um which has been great but But now, obviously, Wayne's back.

1:16:46He's now stepping in full time. Yes. He's never been there before. So when that happened was when the show started. Wow. And it was difficult because there was things where I was getting up to do the school run every day. He was still in bed. He would, you know, usually he was getting up, going to work, doing... Obviously, there was days where he needed to get up and go to work, but because that was... He never done that. I see it. And to me, that was annoying because, you know, you are part of our team, our family. Why are you not, why am I asking you to do a school run? And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that he's never done that.

1:17:29Sure. But it was never the norm to him because he's always been out of that situation. The way you described it is eloquent because this makes this surprise for you even sweeter. You ready for this? Yeah, yeah. All right, Colleen, you trust me enough to close your eyes? I've got it. Oh, you're closing your eyes. Okay, here it goes. Damn. It's a letter. Yeah. Can you read that out loud for us, please? I feel like I'm back in the jungle again. I'm getting a letter from who? Colleen this is just a reminder to you because I know I don't always tell you I am so proud of what you have achieved in the last couple of years since going back to work I know it can be tough at times juggling everything but you have done it brilliantly more importantly I am so grateful and appreciative of everything you do for me and the boys you deal with a lot to make sure everything is done and in place for us all which makes our lives so much easier i love you we all love you ah i am getting like a little bit um emotional there but yet that is it's so nice and i i said this and i really say it when you know you are appreciated and I know I am but I don't always get told that and I do do, like my life is my family and I think that goes down to not being always confident in situations where I'm on the front foot because I always put myself at the back of the line because I always put them in front of me and sometimes just like little reminders like that where you think you should embrace their moments and you do deserve to be in that situation.

1:19:24So yeah, thanks Wayne. Yeah, I think I'm going to give this to you. But I think we should spend just a moment in this because I can see, given what Wayne has said, given how incredible your boys are, how they live life, given the story that you've presented so far, how much of a protector you are of your loved ones and how it does feel like you've placed all of these people around you before you, but yet they love and appreciate you. Yeah. Right? And so to hear him say it, to have him write it, what is so special to you about that? You know, in the house, you know, you can say, I love you. I'll put the kids to bed at night and say love you and they'll say love you back and me and Wayne will put the phone down and say love you but I think in situations like this where you've had to say to him you write something to present to Colleen you just stop and it sinks in whereas I think that them everyday love yous You don't stop.

1:20:42You're busy. You're getting on with life. And I think these moments are special because you do take it on board. And it makes you think about it. And, you know, I appreciate it, even though they're saying I appreciate you. I appreciate them saying that. Something I have been thinking about ever since you sat down is that in the jungle, I distinctly remember you saying that you are a proud mother, proud wife, proud daughter, but rarely are you proud of yourself. So as you sit here right now, what are you most proud of? probably the person I am today. I'm not perfect. And I think one thing I am proud of is, and I keep going back to this, is having this hub around me, which I've kept together.

1:21:48And I do believe that I am a, I am one of the centre people of that hub. I'm proud of... I'm proud to keep going, you know, in life. There's moments where I probably could, you know, end things and gave up. But sitting here today, I think, you know, I've gone through a lot. I've kept going and I've stayed strong, but I've stayed true to myself. and that is one thing that I always say to my kids is stay true to yourself don't forget who you are where you've come from and and and that to me and saying that now my kids my kids have been you know they've grown up in a privileged household but we still remind them of our upbringing our family you know they're surrounded by by that because you know all our family and friends are still there it just to keep them grounded and that's one thing in life I'm appreciative of of our families if is that they've kept us grounded and we can be put in a room where people from all walks of life and we can still hold our own you know we can have because we've we've been open to so many situations in our life some of them have you know been unbelievable at situations some maybe not so good but I feel like that's made us stronger you know what I find uh most interesting about these conversations that I have the privilege of having with so many incredible people such as yourself is that they typically end the same way they start we started talking about how incredible that hub the inner circle that you brought with you here today is and look at where we've naturally landed right here.

1:23:48And what it tells me is how true to you that is, how important it is to you. And throughout this entire conversation, you've illustrated how that's the one thing that you've protected is your inner circle and how important it is to you. It's everything to you. I have a photo. Can I? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I have lots of photos. So it's like, was this at your wedding? Yes. Okay. You want to describe what's happening there? Yeah, so Rosie was a flower girl at my wedding. Rosie is my sister, but unfortunately she's passed now. And she was one of the foster children that came to us. At the time when she came to us, she was 18 months.

1:24:38My mum obviously has had a lot of experience with children with disabilities. She wasn't a nurse, but she'd been around a lot of children. And she said, I think there's something more to this. So my mum took on board and went to doctors and read up and investigated herself about what Rosie was doing and her development. And in the end, she got diagnosed with a genetic disorder called Rett syndrome. okay so over the years you just deteriorate she needed like 24 7 care and it was it was a lot for my mom and dad to take on obviously at the point when she came to into foster care we we just fell in love with her and she was you know she was like a ray of sunshine and she done a talking with her eyes, she had these big massive eyes and you could, you know, she had so much joy and energy that she gave off that people were just, she just drew people in.

1:25:51Most winters she would go into hospital for a lengthy period of time because she would get a chest infection but then couldn't fight her off and her body wasn't strong enough so she would have to be in hospital and the amount of Christmases we spent in the hospital. And she was immediately not just part of our family, but part of our wider family. And that's why I love thinking back is as she brought a lot of people together, but also she made people realise how lucky they was in life. She was this little girl who had so many problems but she was happy but when she was 14 she'd been in hospital for a lengthy time but we didn't know it was it was gonna come to to to the end and we were actually on holiday at the time it was me I had Kai he was only a toddler and my two brothers and their partners Wayne wasn't there because he was in football it was over the Christmas period so it was a busy time for the football so we got a phone call one day and it was my auntie um I'd phoned and said I think you need to come home so we got on the next flight and that flight at eight hour flight we were in the Caribbean was it was just I it I can't explain it because you had so many emotions yeah we had no phone.

1:27:26We always say she held on until we got back. She wouldn't have wanted to go without us being there. And then the hospital said, there's not much more we can do. So I think it's time we go home. And I always remember I was always the strong one. So I was not like, I didn't let emotion out. And I think that was because I wanted to be strong for my mum and dad and my brothers and Wayne and my my dad left the hospital with me brothers and Wayne and I traveled in the ambulance with me mum and Rosie we went home and it was like um that last bit of personal girly time we had as as you know me mum and Rosie so she was in the house and um we had one last sleepover so we took her upstairs into my it was my brother's room at the time and he had the most space on the floor so my mum and dad stayed in the bed we're here we're here and we all put my um laid um duvets all on the floor so we were all in the one room we lit candles we had nice music on and he was my two brothers their partners me Wayne and Kai so he was only a toddler but he was part of our family he was we were not gonna let him be he didn't know what was going on at the time but we were all together as one and we I just I just remember me moment like nursing it and we wasn't you know we was an emotional wreck we knew what was what was going to come but the moment i hadn't hit us yeah we woke to wayne's voice saying she's gone uh it was heartbreaking and i would say i did step up as i was pregnant with my second son clay at the time and i don't think i grieved until a later stage in life more so I probably grieved in moments that I was I was going through emotions and I then grieved at the same time I talk about her freely but on a one-to-one with like my parents and that I didn't always talk about I found it hard because I know how emotional they was um but i think we're in our family it's like she's a memory is still alive you know so beautiful about you sharing rosie's story is now her story continues yeah with everyone who just watched that think about that yeah yeah we've touched on um all i think all all the beats yeah um Let me give you this.

1:30:20This is the last question. Everyone gets this. And that is, if you think about all the incredible conversations you've had throughout your life, which one stands as the most memorable? Who was it with and what did you learn? I would probably say, I'd probably say with Wayne. And, you know, he's been through some low points in his life. And he's had, it's not just one conversation, but he's said these words to me a number of times, is he wouldn't be where he is if it wasn't for me. and that's not bigging myself up but that's me being strong for him and in them moments it then makes me think of I am making even though I put myself on the back burner sometimes I'm doing the right thing because I'm helping others as well and they were moments where I needed to help.

1:31:34And sometimes the moments where you don't know you're helping but just being there for someone. Yes. It can be a massive moment in someone's life. Yes, yes. You know what's really impressed me about you today, Colleen Rooney, is how much of a rock you are for the people you love. you were relentlessly there for them. The one reminder in that is to remember you have to be the rock for yourself as well. And that's my only ask in this. It's interesting. You know, I look at these conversations. I look at how much people talk about others versus themselves. You talk about others. You talk about the care and the love for others.

1:32:33And what I would love to see you do as you walk out into this next chapter of life is to love on yourself. Give yourself grace. You have given so much of yourself to everyone else on this journey. now is the time you're Colleen Broney see that I cringe I cringe see but you have to look at yourself and say no I deserve all of this fair? thank you I enjoy this conversation so today thank you thank you so much what a rock she said she designed her life with her children with Wayne as the bonus, but not as the centerpiece because of the work that he was doing. So you could see how she was the centerpiece and has been the centerpiece.

1:33:39And from what I know of people who typically play that role, they don't give themselves enough. They don't place themselves on the stage that they have been building their entire life. And that's something that I would love to see her do. I'd love to see her just love on herself a little bit more because she deserves it. Something that I fully believe in in terms of partnership, romantic partnership, is as long as there is effort, there's interest. So you can have a partner who screws up royally, but if they own it and they make efforts towards repairing it, that's a partner that you could work with.

1:34:26And I feel like that's exactly what Colleen was demonstrating, is that she is in a partnership where you have two people who are continually making effort, which means there's interest, which means there's love. The girl that I was before my father passed his death, that girl will never come back. Rock and roll! You're a loser. The night before the Osborns launched, my mom said, if we just make the biggest mistake of our lives, I woke up the next day, and I was literally the most famous 16-year-old in the world. All of the fat jabs came in. I went from thinking that there was nothing wrong with me to having an incredible amount of insecurity.

1:35:13You and your mother went to the Brits. If you look at the comments... I got assassinated over something that should have been about my dad and his legacy. I don't really recall anyone standing up for me. And I'll be honest with you, even to my own family. I never did drugs because I wanted a party. I just didn't want to feel the pain. The pain of what? Nothing took me out like losing my dad. I started drinking again. I lost not just my father, but my hero. I truly believe that my dad was slowly preparing me for it. Three days later, he was gone. What are you discovering about yourself? I'm good enough on my own.

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