EXCLUSIVE Katie Price Speaks Out On Cheating Rumours, Peter Andre And JJ Slater “I Didn’t Want To Break Up With Him!”

32:10See, this is interesting. When I'm doing a photo shoot, I can work it and it's like you can look at me, but you can't touch me. But then I'm really confident. I look confident. And I am. You know, I can talk to anyone. But when it comes to myself, I'm so loud that I don't ever think I'm good enough. Exactly. And you know what? You just nailed it. Because I have never been able to feel good enough because I've always had this and this. You're this. You're that. Right. So self-esteem, when I look at self-esteem, the two underpinnings are self-respect and self-confidence. And this is what I'm learning to validate myself.

32:52Because if I don't love myself, how am I going to love anyone else? And I've been doing so well on that work. So I think you do a great job in just showing up. I'm Katie Price, right? Yeah. You're very, you present. Yeah. Very confidently outwardly. Yeah. But self-confidence is saying, you know what? I will not accept this in a relationship and therefore. So it makes me sweaty. It's the boundaries. Therefore I'm out. That's what that is. Is that what it is? If you know what you are worth, if you know how incredible you are. Honestly, let's spend a second on this. Really. Yeah. Do you know how incredible you are?

33:29In what way? I know I'm a good mom. Okay. You're a good mom, right? Yeah. I've got a lot to give a relationship. I'm not aggro. It's what comes with me. But I'm telling you, you're a good mom. Yeah. But do you know how incredible you are? Do you know how extraordinary you are? No, I know I'm a bit different, but that's, I can't help that because it's, The industry, I mean. What do you mean? Do you know how incredible you are? No, but it's embarrassing when you say that. When you say incredible, what do you mean? You know why I keep forcing that is because. Yeah. So part of low self-esteem. Yeah.

34:05Is not having an identity. Not knowing who you are. Not knowing how special you are. I think you see yourself as a good mom. But outside of being a good mom. Yeah. What makes you so special?

34:24I do have good qualities about me and I know I do. Tell me about it. But it's, I am more, and I've had to learn about self-love and self-respect, as you say, because I am a giver. And I'd rather make everyone else happy and leave myself last. It's got to a point where it's got to stop. Like, I'm working all the time. Why do I have to come home and then entertain? Because I'm going to do it for me. Go on. I have to hold you accountable. What am I doing again? I love this. You know why? Because I've asked. Am I diverting? Exactly. But I don't know what it is. You don't want me to be deflecting, yeah.

34:59I've asked five times. Why are you? Because I keep saying that you're special. I can listen. Yeah, but I get embarrassed with a complimenty word like that. Why do you get embarrassed? Because I'm not very good. And I think this is a media. I think the media have a lot to do with this. because I have never, ever in 30 years read a good headline or anything about me, never. And someone said to me the other day, what if you saw a good headline? I said, that will never happen. And if it does, I'll be thinking, what the hell, that this can't be right. So I'm kind of used to the downcast. If someone says something nice about me, it's hard to accept it because I'm not used to it.

35:40Where I'm the one who likes to give the compliments, I'm the one who does it. I see it. And I think that you have never seen a great woman. It's not my fault. It's just how I've. Yeah, it's circumstance. Yeah. But what is sad is I can see that you're beginning to allow that to seep in and almost subconsciously believe it. So I keep saying, outside of being a great mom, what makes you so special? And you can't answer this. Let me give you my answer. Go on. This is from my heart. This is. Forget all of this. This is from my heart. is one thing that I love about you is how ambitious you are. Oh, my God.

36:17I have to be. Yeah, but I love that. I love it. You have worked extraordinarily hard through your life, and you deserve the flowers for that. So this is one reason why I think you are extraordinary. Right. So what's a reason that you believe you're extraordinary? I would definitely sound a survivor. I know that. I'm definitely a survivor. And I think how people relate to me is because I'm not manufactured. A lot of people in this industry are manufactured and controlled. Like they do interviews. It's all very controlled. Can't say this. You can't ask them this. Whereas with me, I'm just self-made, self from my person.

37:01Yes. I didn't think I would last this long in the industry. I'm like, I thought I'd be a paramedic and a nurse by now. You know, 30 years next year I've been in this industry. It's a very, very long time to sustain being constantly talked about, scrutinised, relationships. I've never been able to have a breakup like everyone else does where it's only their family, friends. Everything I do is so public. It's so public. And everyone judges it and I can't control what the media write. So people will have their perception about me by what's read... written about me but when they meet me I'm actually quite normal do normal things and I have actually learned a lot and the validation thing I'm sort of slipping back into where I just pay for everything to make things easier I don't know I just it's like I feel like I want need to be swept off my feet and some to be like do you know what Kate I'm gonna look after do you but you know what that's not what you need katie well what is it i need you need to sweep yourself off your feet you need this is just my personal no i want it give it to me you you need a break from then i'm quite happy to be on my own if i wasn't in a relationship asked me this years ago i wouldn't have been able to do it but how i am now where i've been having therapy you know there's not a beginning and an end of therapy because it's always continuous i've learned a hell of a lot about what a healthy relationship is i've never had one and i think jj's the most healthiest relationship i've been in which is funny because if he does say something i'm like that's a red flag okay because i've been so traumatic i'm not having anyone dictate me anymore i'm not having any man tell me what i can and can't wear i'm not having any man tell me what job i can do and what i can't and if i want to see my friends i'm going to see my friends and And if I want to get home at this time, I will get home at this time.

39:06There you go. I am like that. So, you know, in theory, right, you know what a healthy relationship should look like. Yeah, because I've done work on it. And I am putting it into practice because when you meet someone, it's natural to want to be with them all the time. Don't go, it's natural. But then the mistakes I've made in the past is then you're with them all the time. it becomes literally 24 7 because I've never been out with someone who's had a 9 till 5 job so I don't know what it's like to go out with someone who's had a 9 till 5 job where they commute, go to work and come home at 5, they've always had a job where I suppose it's adaptable that then they can come with me to work, I'll come with her so in the beginning that's all nice but then you get into the habit of they're about too much to the point you start not seeing your friends because you're with them all the time and then you get into this situation where they're so used to being with you all the time that then when you do so i'm going to go and see a friend it doesn't seem normal because you haven't done it so i've a bit worried that i've got like that with jj yeah that i'm like look you know what when i met you used to see your friends all the time and i would see mine and now it's just us so at the end of the day what is there to talk about because we know everything.

40:27And he'll be like, when you're with your friends, you're all like, hey, how are you? And I'm like, because I'm with you all the time. Yeah. And I think that happens in a lot of relationships. But let me ask you this, is that do you know anyone who has a healthy relationship? I'd say my mom and dad. Amazing. Okay. So this is good. So outside of your mom and dad, do you know anyone who has a healthy... My sister and her husband, my brother and his wife. Okay. And I look at them all and think, how does it work with you? Because I've never been in a relationship where I've been able to do all of that without an argument and without backlash or the questions and this and that.

41:04Yes. But they all do it. And I love it. And I'm like, it's like I'm jealous of their relationship. Is that to you? Is that what makes it such a healthy relationship? Because they're able to be interdependent. That is, I think it's what, they have their own identities, but they're also, they're like best friends, all of them, my mum and dad, my sister, you know, all of them, they're all best friends, have a laugh all together, they're them 100 % selves together. Yes, yes. Although when I'm with someone, we all do family stuff together, but it's the other bits they do that I never seem to be able to do when I'm in a relationship.

41:44Which is why I say you need a break from men. But then you can have relationships. But I've just never had this. I look at all my friends, even their relationships. They can do all of what I'm saying I want to do. I feel I can only do that if I'm single. Because I've never been able to do it in a relationship. Yet all my friends are able to have the relationship and do all that. But I've never been allowed or able to have that without aggro. Without having an issue. So what am I doing wrong? Yeah, so there's a couple of things here. Must be me. Well, one is, let me ask you. Yeah. If you look at all of your relationships, what you're describing really is control.

42:28It is. So if you think back to all these relationships you've had, what do you believe that you have allowed or you have done to enable your partners to control you? This is the thing. they meet me and I know as cringe as it is I can't ever hide and lie who I am so they love the thought oh I'm with Kate or whatever they fall in love with the idea idea and this is the thing and then when they've actually got me and they realize that when I do go out people do look people do want to come up and talk if I go to a bar or something people come over they want pictures it could be men it could be women so they're in their head it's up but when you go out men are going to come up to you this is going to happen and you're and you're friendly when you have a drink or when you're out you want to talk to everyone but what i hate is if my partner if someone comes up and they're like no she's not doing a picture oh my god and i say to them i know how to deal with people and don't tell me who i can and can't do a picture and what i do say it okay and then we get in an eye one i'll say if you don't like it then go and find someone else so and then it end up in a circle again so think about it and it pisses me off that's because you're allowing them back in i'm not telling you to get out of i love what i do i love my i love everything i do you should stay in it i'm telling you to get out of these toxic relationships and how you do that.

44:01But they're not like it at first. Who wants to leave their bank? If you are their bank, I'd never want to leave you. Of course, if you told me to leave, you're paying for my holidays. I mean, they might pay for the odd dinner and stuff like that, but I'm the one who majority pays for everything. But I'm telling you, at the end of the day, self-respect is you know your worth, you know your values. But I do, but he's putting it into practice. That's self-confidence. Self-confidence is saying, I'm going to do the task. If I wasn't with JJ, for me to meet someone, number one, priority for me would be they want to be private.

44:40Yeah. They do not want to be pictured on my Instagram. They're quite happy to do their thing, their job. I've never had that. And for me, that would be very refreshing for a man to say, I don't want to be on your side. I don't want anyone to know, like, I don't, you know, that's your thing. And this is why you need a break. You need what's called a sabbatical. And you know what you need? You need to do the sabbatical. You need to take the sabbatical and you need to focus on fully loving on yourself. Focus on your career because you love your career. Focus on your children. Because I do think if I wasn't in a relationship, I could fill my day up doing lovely things.

45:23I would get up. Tell me about it. obviously kids at school and I'll go ride my horses okay and I'll do my work within the school hours because I like to have family time and stuff you need to experience life alone when I say alone is without a romantic partner and I'd be absolutely fine with that you'd be great and then on top of my life where I know I'd actually be fine with I don't need a man before I felt I needed a man because I needed that. Yes. I don't need a man. You don't. If I have a man, it's because I want them. There you go. And then on top of that. I know, and it's true. Okay, trust me.

45:58You're going to become more self-confident. Yeah. A higher level of self-respect. Yeah. That means your self-esteem is going to go up. Yeah. That means you don't need the external validation. Yeah. And then when you are right. You're more powerful, yeah. You're going to be powerful. Then when you are right, and you know what's the beauty of self-esteem, high self-esteem, and high self-respect and high self-confidence? is it improves everything in your life. You're already a good mom. You become a better mom. Yeah. You're already, your career's already on the up. This is what I want to do. I want to, this is the thing.

46:30It's finding someone. The thing is, I like to do things with someone. I like to have a lesson where you can have experience and enjoy things and being with the family. But I've always had them in and out my pocket too much and it becomes exhausting and it pisses me off. See, hold on. You're swerving what I'm saying. Basically, it's me being selfish. I need someone to fit around what I want to do. And if they don't, then they're not worth being with me. No, no. But I think we have to remove you saying, but I need, I want someone, I want someone. Ideally, it's someone who's got their, they don't need to come and move in and live with me.

47:08They can have their own place. And then... You want a living apart but together situation. I've never done it. Just where they've got their own thing. so you look forward and excited to see each other. Yeah. Because I've been married, I've been married, I've done it all. My kids are getting older, so it's not like, you know, they've got their things going on. Yes. Harvey, obviously, he's always my man baby. Yes. And men have to accept the fact also that I do have kids and they have to accept the fact that when I'm with Harvey and a lot of relationships I've been in do not like my relationship with Harvey because they get very jealous.

47:47because he is a man, but he's a baby. And he will sit there and he will want me to cuddle him and he will want me to hold his hand and he will want my kisses. I don't care what anyone says. That boy, that man, Harvey, has been my constant my whole life. Someone who's never tried to take off me, no one who can dictate how I do him. He's me. Men find that very hard. You know what I find to be such a full circle? is the cuddles that you didn't get from your fathers. Yeah. I'm like that Harvey constantly. In fact, I'm cuddly with all my kids. And I love that. Yeah. See, that love is unbreakable. I love him, yeah.

48:30It's unbreakable, you know. And every time I see a post between the two of you, it's incredibly heartwarming. Yeah. Because you could see that you are unconditional. It's not fake. Yeah, it's unconditional. Yeah. I was talking with your show sponsor, Tinder, and they wanted to know if you've ever been on a date that ended up in an unexpected way. Do you have anything like that? Oh, absolutely. Endless, endless stories. I mean, one in particular is that when Jill and I were dating, we went to a slam poetry competition, which I will say I knew nothing about slam poetry, and that's when I learned that you snap your fingers, right, when you applaud.

49:06I specifically went there because I wanted to impress Jill so that I can get a little, I'll say, bonus afterwards. you know but what I learned through one of the poets is that we are all artists the poet specifically said we are all artists and that triggered something in me it made me click to the point where I realized that I wanted to create I wanted to figure out how to do that so afterwards we went out to eat Jill and I and we started talking about creating art together and I learned from that date that you know the date isn't just about the other person it's not about your physical pleasure.

49:41It's not about their physical pleasure. It's about what you can learn about life, about yourself. It was an unexpected outcome from a date. So wherever a date may lead, it starts with a swipe. That's why you need to download Tinder.

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51:03can we talk about motherhood love it all right so you have five children and i still want more

51:12do you know what i said to because as they get older apart from harvey they're starting to move out yeah and then also my younger ones they're still a bit home but then I just love I don't know what it is I just I just love but I love all ages of them I just love it are you because because I saw there was some talk about you attempting yeah I had IVF and it failed and basically it's because my eggs are too old and then I gave it go even though the doctor said you've got one percent chance of it working I said well I might be that one percent Wow. I'm doing it. So I went through all of it and then it didn't work.

51:52So I have got donor eggs. Okay. I got them last year. You don't see the picture, but they go on how I look, like the dark hair, green eyes, this Spanish I wanted, because I've got like Italian, Spanish in me. And then because I'm not afraid to have a baby on my own. And before I met JJ, I was quite happy. I found sperm donor from America. Okay. From black origin. Okay. Shout out. Yeah, I love it. Because I'm through the premenopause at the moment. And so I thought you can't have kids, but you can. And I've been tested. I'm all fine. I can still carry babies. Okay. So I have got the sperm. I have got the eggs there.

52:41Okay. But I've got everything set up ready for when, if I want it. But then I think, what if I meet someone and they want to be? But obviously I'd have to say to them, well, you can never use my eggs. So you'll never have the pricey DNA. You'd have the donor DNA. You can't have a pricey DNA. Only five kids have got the pricey one. There's no more. Although I can carry it, but it would be their sperm. But I'm not in no rush. This is the thing. I'm in no rush to do any of this. I'm in no rush to think, oh, I need to get married. to be honest do I want to get married again I've been there so many times it's the same thing and it's ag when you divorce I don't feel it'd be nice to meet someone and get all married but is it important to me no the theme I keep coming back to Katie go on you know what this theme is I keep coming back to self-esteem self-respect yeah confidence I'll tell you why because it's interesting you were you were a nurturer from a little girl yeah always and you dote on your children and i even see that when you're talking about the jordan katie price yeah a lot of the coverage of you was katie price the mom yeah that's what it was like jordan was the model yeah what was it at the playboy mansion what do they call you oh i loved it you know i toured america with hugh hefner because i was the first english girl to do the cover of american playboy So we toured around America in the English pubs with him.

54:07Really? Yeah. He had a million girlfriends at that time. Do you know, it's weird because I lived at the mansion for six weeks. He wanted me to be a girlfriend because at the same time, my mum was in a hotel called The Standard. I was doing a BBC documentary because I took Harvey to America to see about his eyes and all of that. But I was living at the mansion. I remember one night they had a party under the Standard Hotel and I said to Hugh, oh, my God, my mum's up there. Can we just go and, like, knock on the door? So I remember I've got all the photos of it. Me, Hef, and there was about eight of us girls all in our little outfits going up in the lift in the Standard and it was about one in the morning, not to my mum's door.

54:50She's like, hello, answered it. And there's Hugh Hefner and me and all us girls, hi. I said, get Harvey, mum, get Harvey. I've got a picture of Hugh Heffler Harvey, my mum. There's so much in my life, right, that I smile about. That it's, no one knows really what I have achieved, the things I've done, people I've seen, experienced. I've done a hell of a lot. But the only thing that's been the worst thing in my life is relationships. If I had a good relationship in the beginning, sometimes I think I would have gone further in my career because I've stopped a lot of jobs due to relationships I've been in because they wouldn't want me to do it.

55:30You know what? And I agree. One thing I've never done is celebs go dating. Now, you do celebs go dating. You've spent God knows how long with me today. Just advice, this is what I wonder, and people probably be like, yeah, this is a good question, Kate. OK, go ahead. Hit me. So say, like, I'm on celebs go dating with you now. OK. So we've done all the talk. What would you say would be the ideal man for me? You know what I would do? If you were on Slubs Go Dating. Yeah, God, tell me. You've done the talk. Who knows? Maybe one day I would be. Who knows? You know what I would do? Go on. I would kick you out of the agency.

56:01Oh, piss off. What would you do? I would kick you out of the agency. Because, Katie, you know what? I am a firm believer of what you need. But you've had people on your show who are a bit similar to me. They were still on the show. I've tried to kick them off. They won't let me kick them off. Oh, have they? Oh, really? Because, you know what? Because, you know, there's seasons for relationships. Yeah. And I really... That's the headline, you know, which is kicked off Celebs Go Day. I love it. Exactly. You got it. You knew what you were doing. You're good. Oh, yeah, cool. You were good. You know, the other thing, too, is connected to this.

56:36Yeah, I am good headline. Yeah, I know, yeah. I don't think people realize how smart you are. I act dumb. Easy. But why do you act dumb? Because I think then no one expects nothing. It's like for years when I've been interviewed by journalists, they will ask the same question in different ways thinking i'll say a different answer it's things like that i know as soon as someone walks through the door if i'm going to like them or hate them i just i'm very good on or i know i'm shitting relationships take relationships out generally as people like i just know you know you know some people have an aura you even know you're going to get but i can get on with anyone you could take me into any scenario and i i can get on with anyone anywhere so i am quite good like that friends i've been shit within years and this is another point that people should uh take note from me and you'll probably agree growing up you get to realize who your real friends are now for me to change how i was triggers this and that i had to get rid of had to and wanted to but I had to get rid of people around me who like this is to do with friends work people all that who are toxic haven't got your best interests and when you're at your lowest they shouldn't be what's the word encouraging it and doing things do you know what I mean yes yes and even even to help me is because I because you have had so many traumatic events right yeah what do you believe was the lowest moment for you the lowest moment for me was when i took coke self-medicating on it because it blocked everything thinking what the fuck are you doing kate and what time period when was this was about four years ago i would say not long ago and it was the denial to my family okay are you all right get hurt and i'll be like yeah yeah I'm fine I'm fine and it was when I'm in bed depressed didn't want to get up didn't want to have a shower not me when really then when I did get up to go to work and people go are you all right it was like inside I wanted to cry and go no I'm not but I had to put on the face I would never and then oh yeah I tried to commit suicide I hung myself and then I woke up my phone was down the toilet i had a black eye and marks around my neck just didn't want to be here anymore and then this is four years ago yeah it must have been about that and i thought oh my god i've got to do something i've got to i can't be this this isn't me this isn't me but i was going through a traumatic time at the at the time so then i ended up in the priory not for addiction or not that even if i wasn't for addiction i wouldn't care saying it but i wasn't i was there as a general patient okay because i think everything just i was in there for five weeks and the priory for anyone who's not it doesn't know yeah it's like a psychiatric hospital and you get people there who deal with drugs they do the 12 steps anorexic or there's lots of people from the army in america military people who go in there people who've been abused people who can't deal with money issues you could get business men in there who have who have got like the high life when it's crumbling but they can't let their family know their friends know because they don't know how to deal with them coming down not being you can get anyone in there for anything and i find it so interesting that's why i don't judge anyone or when they say about mental health because i think it is an actual real serious thing.

1:00:19Yes. You want to help yourself. It doesn't matter who's around you pushing. It doesn't matter who says help yourself. You've got to want to do it yourself. And if you can't do it yourself, you'll never get better. You have got to want to do it yourself. True. By taking accountability of the situation I was in. Yes. And owning up to how I felt about it. You've got to take accountability. People you've hurt, you know, your family. Yes. You've got to own it and realize by getting through it, what doors have opened, it's like the sunshine. Look what opportunities you've got now. Why? Because your head's better.

1:00:58I'm not being dictated. I control what I do. No one's controlling me. I know where I'm at. I've just been in control. Yes. And communicating. And so you're saying you took accountability. I had to. For all those things. And I think this is connected to, so going back to the 95 % famous, but then I also looked at. Oh, shit. What? Disasters. You ready for this? Yeah, go on. I looked at popularity. Oh, I wouldn't be that popular. Popular, how they judge it is likability. Likeability, it's like, mom, you either love me or hate me. And I don't think the likability would be very high. It was low. It was 17%.

1:01:35Yeah, it wouldn't be. So it's like out of... I've gone from the glamour model. The women hated me. Remember that. Get my boobs out because it would be their boyfriends or husbands who'd be looking. so the women hated it and then I might have gone out with people who they're fans of like Pete or you know and then they're team Pete this that okay and then it's probably the crash in the car but I wasn't well then you know they saw these downside things but they don't know everything that's gone in my life and the reasons why these situations have happened sure and I take accountability to a lot to a lot of it my reactions to things and how yeah I've responded to things wasn't probably ideal, but at least I can reflect back and look and be like, do you know what?

1:02:20I agree with you all, no. Yes. I've gone through it all. I'm not perfect. I'm not trying to be perfect, but I've survived it all, living the story, and I just want peace and good energy. So would you like, truly, from your heart, would you like to be liked more? For me, it's not about proving anything to anyone. I think that's the validation before. It was like I wanted people to like me. Now I've got that much strength that I just... It's about how I feel and it's my circle around me. and I feel more powerful how I feel now than how I was before. And in time, people will realise, actually, they'll probably be like, actually, do you know what?

1:03:05Good on her. Yeah, whatever I thought of her, I've actually changed my mind because I do get that a lot when people meet me. They're like, you're actually different to what I thought. Yes, and you said you feel healthier, really, than you ever have. Yeah, every trauma you have and you try and deal with it, You'll never forget it, but you know how to deal with it. Like you will know what your triggers are for certain situations. You could watch telly and be triggered, but you know in your mind how to deal with it. Whereas before triggers, I would self-medicate like, oh, I can't do this. Now I'm quite happy to be like, I came in and I'm like, oh, this is like a therapy room.

1:03:45Oh, there's tissues. Because I've had lots of that, but I'm quite happy to do it. I'm quite happy to talk about relationships that have hurt me, traumatized me. I know we haven't gone into details about them because I can deal with it now and I'm happy to talk about it now. You know what? I haven't pried deep into specific drama. I know. We need to do a part two, won't we? Yeah, but almost out of respect. Oh, thank you. Because I don't even think it's necessary because everyone knows you've been through hell. But do they? I don't know. No, they actually really do. No, because I think if they. You don't think so.

1:04:22No, because I think there's so much noise about me every day. I call it noise because every day there's something, there's something, there's something. I don't think people can actually pinpoint things on me because there's so much stuff. But if you actually broke it down and actually realized what I've actually been through. So let's talk about this then. Yeah. There were three incidents that I read about that blew me away. Really? Which ones were they? So the first was in South Africa. Oh, hijacked and raped that one. Yes. Yeah. That one to me was... It was horrific. Even Princess had therapy for that.

1:05:03It was horrific. But I was told not to talk about it. And I carried on filming another day. Did you? You filmed? I carried on filming because I thought I won't get, they'd ax me from the show if I didn't carry on filming. I mean... And I did deal with, I've never dealt with that trauma. I'd have, because that was one of the reasons of my breakdown. Everything just came in. That was the most horrific thing. And to this day, my friend Neil, who I was with there, because he's my best friend and he lived in South Africa, which is why I was going there. He still can't see out of his eye properly. Still got a scar there where they knocked him unconscious.

1:05:38Okay. I mean, if you're open to talk about it, because it's another trauma that most people will never experience. Until you're in it, like, you know, there's a saying, oh, I'll take a bullet for my kids. My kids have witnessed that, literally. So in the car, you're filming. So we were on our way to the next destination and the producer decided he wanted to go a different route. And who was in the car with you? What was planned. So it was me, Junior, Princess and Neil. And in the front, there was a Viano in the front and it had all the film crew who were filming us. But the one that went way far ahead had all our luggage and he was from South Africa.

1:06:25I don't know if we were set up. I don't know what happened. But Junior wanted a wee. So we walkie-talkie to the front. Oh, we've got to stop. Junior wants a wee. And it was just like one of them roads that has never ended where nothing's on it. Like, nothing's on the road because we're waiting to get to a border to cross it. We all stopped. And then this car pulled up with about six guys in it and they just run over and went, give me your casa, casa, casa. And we're like, what is this? And I remember this particular guy, he had a black hoodie on Adidas with the big Adidas sign. And for quite a few months after, and even now if I see a guy with a black Adidas, I just sort of flicker back to that.

1:07:07and I just remember we all got in the car and they're trying to open the doors this and that trying to take everything going casa casa and they had all the guns and then they went on the car in front there was guys on the car in front then they come back and I'm trying to shout out to the guys help us like that I've got June and Princess in the back screaming I'll just remember their face like mom mom like this I'm like shut up the doors like that and then Then the guys took the keys out the car so we couldn't drive off. And then one of them opened the door and then, yeah, his hands and whatever he did to me.

1:07:47And then Neil was like, he was the only one who got out. Neil went, right, let's have it then if you want it because we thought we were dead. So he got out trying to whack them so we could get the keys back. None of the guys in the other car got out, the men. and then um I think Neil gave me the keys and then I shut the door and it's like a horror film that the female person jumped in the back as well I think they stole all her rings and I mean they stole all of my jewelry and all of this and then princess how funny are they they had their iPads I said just sit on them sit on them and I was going to them you stay away from them like I wouldn't let them near the kids and then I had a pillow look it's all scatty in my mind because I'm remembering it all and I'm like that with a pillar and I remember being like that with the kids behind me just waiting to fill a shot just waiting for it and then it obviously didn't happen so I think Neil then got in now I got in the front because I think he got the keys through to me so it's like a horror film I'm like that trying to put the keys in trying to put the keys in then they opened the door took the keys off then I moved over Neil got in tried to get the keys back off them and then they like had a gun here and then one of them come along with a log and went bash in his face blood went everywhere and he was like that unconscious we thought we were gonna die i can't even explain then he sort of got up like that and then they went all of a sudden they went and we're like if they'd gone i just can't even tell traumatized it was and then we got out and we're trying to howl down any car no one would stop and then um i'm in the road with the kids Neil's face is all bleeding and there was a car they obviously had kids in it I'm like please stop stop I've got kids look please please we're not here to we don't want nothing from you I said we need the police we've got no phones up we need the police and then um they said oh the police were up that road I said please can you turn around and get them so they actually did the police came and so we're in the back of the police car we're just all in shock an ambulance came for Neil to take him off and the police said to us you're so lucky that you you weren't killed i said why don't you think we were killed basically it made the news out there not because of who we were just because they couldn't believe that we weren't killed because they had taken the keys to the vehicles um and went off with them and all the stuff that they took so i said the reason they didn't kill you is because they would have dumped the stuff come back for the vehicles then they would have killed you because that's like what they do over there so it was lucky that then people went and got the police because otherwise if they'd come back we'd be goners we had no security nothing and then um obviously the next day we had security and the security said i can't believe you you haven't had security with you because if you did that wouldn't have happened because they all carry guns but you think about a story it's like no it was horrific how many how And you said you never specifically had therapy around that.

1:10:54You then continued filming. Yeah, that's just one little blip of your life. The tiny little blip, but it's just huge. But looking at that, right, those are significantly traumatic events happening. And what trauma does is it makes us look at life and experience life differently. So based on those events, that trauma, how do you then… I've never done deal with it. This is the trouble. Well, I've had like when I had three kidnap threats as well with Scotland Yard. I couldn't take my kids to school for three months. I had to Scotland Yard do it. There was a time where Scotland Yard police formed camp beds outside my bedroom door and outside my property.

1:11:34I mean, I haven't gone into detail about all of this ever because when you do interviews for print, they just don't print at all. But I have to ask, how did this come about? The police just knock at your door, clothe police, and they're like, our intelligence have told us. That you have kidnapped? I've had three, yeah. One was a million pound ransom for Harvey and a car accident was going to be set up. They were going to fake to be police and pull me up as ransom and take Harvey. And I said to them, if you know all this is happening, why can't you arrest the people? Because the first time they came and they showed us photos of people, they said, do you know these people?

1:12:15and I'm like, this is a prank, isn't it? I didn't believe it. But I've had three of them, serious ones. And they can't do anything unless they're in the act. But fortunately, I knew when the group was on my way to the house, I was in London and the police said, like, Kate, don't go home. We're following the gang now from Liverpool. They were in route to your house? They were en route to my house. They're intelligence. no yeah so i remember being near marble arch i had my friends gary and phil in the car i said i can't i'm not allowed to go home because the gang's on the way now to the house so i have had it so i've all i've had serious events like this because my life's so fast track it's like one thing after so i've never dealt with any of it and i think the last blow for me was when the ex-husband was, when I say cheating on me, like unbelievable.

1:13:14And then all flashbacks of everything else was coming and it got to a point where I couldn't communicate with anyone and when you don't communicate with things, things go down and then you get more and more. And it got to a point where I'm like, oh, just leave me alone. It was like that. And that just is what finished me off basically. So then when I went in therapy, they unpick everything. I mean, I haven't unpicked everything because there's been so much, but I'm now the other side of it and I can look back and reflect. And I would never wish it on my worst enemy what I had to go through. Like, it's the worst thing, but you can get through it.

1:13:53And I say to you, trust me, if I got through it, anyone can. You really can do it, but you have to want to do it. How do you see life differently because of all the trauma? It's made me realise all bad mistakes, bad choices. I wish that I'd dealt with situations then, but nothing was on offer then. And I think TV companies or not just TV companies, people you do jobs for should have a duty of care for things. And I'm not blaming anyone. It's just that back in the day, if something happened, I didn't know what a therapist was. I didn't know what mental health, no one really knew. It wasn't really spoken about.

1:14:34Right. But I think nowadays, it is out there. And it's good that you've got a therapist. I'm free and I'm light. The word is light. I don't feel heaviness. I can sleep at night. Because I started communicating with things and things get better and it's like a flower. Everything opens. Yes. And it's like a different world. I've got to the other side and now the world is my oyster. And I'm in control of my destiny in that way. There you go. There you go. Now, you just mentioned that you said there's certain things that I hadn't I haven't even unpacked in my therapy. Of course there isn't. Yeah. So when you think about a relationship moment.

1:15:15Yeah. That you've not yet unpacked or discussed previously. Yeah. What is one that we can even unpack now? Being strangled, spat on my computer being completely smashed, holes being punched in the wall. The name calling, things like that. Yeah. In any of these relationships, did you ever fear for your life? Yes. But I couldn't leave because it's, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I'll never do it again. I love you. And it's always, you will never find anyone as good as me. You will never find anyone who loves you like me. No one would accept you. And this, who would want you, an old husband like you with five kids?

1:16:01you're lucky that I want you or I can go and pull a bird I can you know you'd only pull you wouldn't pull anyone younger all this it's very easy to say to someone who's a victim of mental abuse or physical abuse because you won't see it it's behind closed doors it happens so always be aware when you look at these couples at garden parties or whatever I always assess situations if I see couples sitting there together and they're not really talking or one's not i'm like i wonder what's going on there why aren't they like talking are they not allowed to or right little comments or little looks people make because i've been there and it's the worst situation to be it is when you see a heterosexual couple go into a um you know into a party yeah and you'll see that that the woman is not talking to any of the men.

1:16:55Yeah, well, straight away, it's the man. And then you begin to see that, you know what's happened, is she's fearful. And you see the man like this on her a lot. Exactly, holding, playing, right? Yes. That's so indicative of control. But it makes me feel a knot when I sit, because I've been there. or like if someone is talking then the guy goes over and then the other person walks away and you see them having a little talk and they're a bit like yeah yeah i'm fine and you're thinking they're going to get a bollocking in the car exactly it's been in all situations where you know that when you leave you're going to get it in the air and it's going to ruin your night and then sometimes you're like it's just not worth going no because i'm just going to get the ag and then that's where you get into this rut yes and to that point katie is that's when you become isolated it is it's so easy it happens very quick yep yep i mean because you think that the other person loves you because they're like oh no why don't it just be you and i just love friends in time i just want it to be us like oh do we need to go and see them or do we need to go to that why don't we just do something and because it's the first you fall for it when really you're falling into all them red flags of them isolating you and then they make comments about your friends well, I don't really like your friend's comment like that.

1:18:14She's not the kind of person I want you to hang out with. Family's no good. Yeah, well, it all starts, the comments. And then sometimes you start double questioning yourself, thinking, am I going mental? Or are they, it's when they make you feel mental. Say, like, you put your keys on the side. Right. And you know you put your keys on the side. And they're like, I said, I know I put my keys. And they're like, no, you didn't. You was just rushing around. It's because you were so busy. You don't know what you're doing half the time. and I know I put my kids, it's things like that when they make you double question yourself, you think, am I going crazy here when you know you're not?

1:18:47They probably moved them to make you feel like you're going crazy. That's the gaslighting. Yeah, it's awful and it happens so much in relationships. It happens so much and that's the reason why I think at the end of the day, and this is the question that you always have to ask yourself going forward. Go on. Is, do you know what the healthiest, the best relationship is? Do you know how you know you're in it? Tell me. Where you got no worry or? No, actually tell me. You know what it is? This is good for you to know. There's two things that you will always feel when you are in a great relationship.

1:19:19Tell me this, because no one's ever, ever said, I'm smiling. How do you know when you are in a good relationship? Come on, tell me. All right. The first is that you feel better with that person. Life is better when you are with them. okay so you feel elevated you feel more powerful you feel you're experiencing more right you don't feel less than i've never had that you feel better in any relationship and number two you feel free never had that because never had any of them and jj he's the he's when i say about jj he's the most kindest genuine easygoing chilled person but do i feel my most happiest and do i feel free no it's not a reflection and maybe that's me what i need to change for myself exactly and it and it well but it could also mean what i keep telling you respect and that is that you need the sabbatical.

1:20:30You need some time to yourself because you have to first experience what freedom feels like. All right, tell me what is freedom. Freedom to me is like, when I took my kids to Thailand for a month, just me and them, we're in Thailand for a month, we felt free. It was like just little life experiences, seeing things and like Like, taking them to, like, little adventures, things like that. Things like that is how I feel free. And, like, this is a stupid one. If I want to lay in the bath and put my, you know, the iPhone and watch telly and free, I don't have to rush. I can watch what I want on telly.

1:21:12Yes. I can sleep like that. Just little things. If I'm, oh, this is another thing. If I'm in the car, I want to play my music from all genres and just be in the car and sing and not have to talk to anyone. okay things like that and like i say with the horses rider if i want to plait their mane and tail let me plait it if i want to paint their hooves i'll paint their hooves like oil just things like that freedom where i don't have to think oh i've got to be back because i said i'll be back then and then i know that when i go back i'm like now what that and that's what i do all the time so everything i just don't want to have to answer to anyone everything that you just said I want them to fit in with me and like...

1:21:55But everything's just... Or do it with a partner where they enjoy it. It's not when you go shopping and everyone does. It's when you're with your other half, you feel you're being rushed. And it's like, I want to do all this and have a laugh and look at the person being so in love and say, isn't this amazing? Aren't we having such a good time? And be excited to do all that with the partner. Yes. I've not really had that. That should be your minimum. If you don't feel, yes. It's, you know, all relationships go up and down. Everyone has arguments. But you should feel free. And you should feel like you're better.

1:22:32You know, so for example, with my wife, we've been married for 23 years. I love that. All right. And I promise you, I feel better because of her. Actually, that's the moment. And I bet she supports you. Supporting your partner, I think, and embracing what they do. I've never, ever had that. And I think that's important. You know your partner is supportive when they cheer louder for you. Yeah. And you cheer for yourself. I've never had that. Yeah. To say, Katie, like that was so good. Like great project that you did. That was incredible. Never get that. Yeah. That's what you deserve. Yeah. That's the minimum of what you deserve.

1:23:12Yeah. When's this come out? It's going to come out very soon. Fuck. Because I know that I've said stuff, but I have to be, but I can't be truthful in front of you. This is what I mean. But I can't sit there and this isn't for, I know it's a podcast, but if I can't sit there and be truthful to you, when can I ever be truthful? I don't know how this is going to come out and I don't know if I'm going to get backlash from it. But I can only tell you how I feel and get advice back because if I can't get that from you, then how am I going to get it? You know what, Katie? Every single one of our guests, you know what they say off camera?

1:23:51I'll say this on camera. But you know what they say off camera? What? Is they say, oh, Paul, I'm nervous. I'm nervous about what I said. It's not that I'm nervous. I just think it's home truths I probably needed to hear. And it's probably I need to probably say things to you so everyone else hears. I appreciate that. Yeah. And also, I know that you don't like a compliment. No. They have to give you another compliment. Oh, shit. Because I didn't know how this conversation was going to go. Yeah, I didn't either, actually. I learned a lot, again, and I love coming away with something now and I've learned something.

1:24:27Yeah, and I appreciate that. Yeah, go on, what are you going to say? This has gone better than I had expected. Oh, really? Yes, and when I say better is that what I see is I truly think that you are portrayed as someone that you are not. Thank you, I always say that. Yeah. You were portrayed as someone that you were not. Now, have you played a role in that portrayal through your life? Sure. You've played up to that a little bit. That's why I said I take accountability for some of my actions as well. That's all we can ask, right? Yeah. Is that you reflect. I can't change it. You can't change it.

1:25:08You apologize. You take accountability. Yeah. But do you know how you will show your accountability? Actions. Through your actions. Yeah. And that you will only have what I say are new mistakes. Yes. Don't repeat any of the old ones. Don't repeat, no. Only new mistakes. But one thing that you have to truly own is because when I asked you, like, who are you? What makes you extraordinary? I see that you struggled a bit. Because it's like when someone says to you, what do you do for a job? You know, when you fill out forms, I don't know. I never know what to say. Okay. I'm like, where do you want me to start?

1:25:45This being me. All right, but you may not know what your job title is. Yeah. You have to know who you are. You mentioned a little while ago. I know you're probably thinking, hurry up. Yeah, no, no, no. I've got to go to Cambridge Uni after this to do a bloody talk. Yeah, what are you doing to talk like? Oh, I've done it at Oxford and that. Like, they like to ask questions about beers and this, this, and I've got to have dinner with them all. And they're so posh. Okay. Like, everyone, I feel, like, so common when I'm with them because they're like, oh, hello. And I'm like, hi, are you all right?

1:26:13Like, do you know what I mean? Oh, my gosh. Oh, yeah, I've done a lot of debates at Oxford and all of that. They're quite fun to do. Yes. So I've gone from this to now going up there like giving advice. Which is good. You're going to be giving advice, which I love. And so I was interrupting. I like everything you're saying. No, no, no, no. I love this. I see how your brain works and I'm with you. It's a bit scatty, but it makes sense in my head. You said that there was an ADHD diagnosis that you had, but as an adult. Yes. So my mum kept saying, like she always says, you're always like a rat. Even when you sit there, you move around a lot.

1:26:50You're quite like this. You're like erratic behaviour and you're impulsing with this. I'm like, I don't know, mum, this is me. And she said, there's something not right about your brain. I said, I don't know, ADHD or something. She goes, well, you need to be tested. So I went to Harley Street. She found, my mum's quite good at this, finding not just any doctor, like specialists in it all. So when and sort, it's not cheap either for anyone listening because you can do it through NHS enough, but I think it takes ages. I don't know if it's the same. So we went somewhere proper and they literally just ask you some questions and you feel when they're looking at you and then I'm thinking, am I moving too much?

1:27:32You sort of feel a bit, I don't know, there's the aura with them because you know they're looking at you asking questions and then they send my family forms to fill out i'm not allowed to look at it and they fill out forms from childhood ask loads and loads of questions quite a lot then i have to do the same but then i need help because believe it or not i have to have an appropriate adult with stuff like if it's caught and stuff because i can't concentrate oh really so to this day i've been dialed that i have to have an appropriate adult did you not know that i did not know that yeah and people be like what's that and i'll tell them in a minute so i'm not very good at read i can read of course i can read but i'll read it all and then i'll get bored or then i start thinking of something else so i find it hard to focus on forms and filling out forms so i filled it all out and then i remember i was in thailand getting my tattoos done and he rang me I said, so have I got ADHD or what?

1:28:34Like me being me. He goes, well, what do you think, Kate? I went, oh, probably nuts like that. And he went, no, you severely got it. So then they were saying, my mum's obsessed about you need medication for it because you're so erratic, this and that. And I'm like, mum, medication's not the answer to everything. And so they tried me on two different ADHD meds. It was frightening. Didn't work. They gave me another one and I thought I was going to have a panic attack. My heart's racing, all of this. They said, stop. They said, the medication's not working with you. Obviously, I've learned how to deal with it yourself.

1:29:13So now I understand about ADHD that your brain is wired different. But I've learned how to deal with, like I say, the impulsiveness, the answering, the text messages, try not to be erratic. let people talk listen to people and it's helped a hell of a lot wow so how is it so the appropriate adult how's that so i've had a lot of court stuff even like the bankruptcy stuff uh that was all like so i've been diagnosed about 18 months ago i didn't understand anything and like when i was getting all letters with my breakdown i didn't really understand everything so i'd leave it to the side because I didn't understand or read it all you're like oh I'll do it later I'll put it off put it off put it off it's because I didn't really understand what was going on so that's how the bankruptcy got into that because I wasn't communicating wasn't doing anything so then um I've had a lot of court things serious court things I've had to deal with behind the scenes which people don't know about and they're like no because of her diagnosis and the way she needs to have an appropriate adult really so is that the court that's that said this yeah the courts and the doctors because they assist you and stuff yeah so is this for the rest of your life that you'll with things that if there's a court thing or say if i get arrested by the police which i have been um it's on the record that i have to have an appropriate adult in with me so this is that's something new no one knows about me they go explain to people what an appropriate adult is because people don't you you'll explain it better than me no no no because i was going to ask because with the appropriate adult yeah from what you know tell me what that is from what i understand is it is an adult that isn't assigned to you so 18 but i i guess the law in the u.s would be 21 but here it might be 18 but an adult who's assigned to you and this person is there to help you in making these decisions yes so is to ensure that your uh your rights in essence are protected so not necessarily a lawyer but that um you understand yeah what it is that's happening but yeah i had no exactly that but i had no idea that you had this assigned yes wow and now i wish that's why i said i wish years ago people knew that i had this adhd and the appropriate adult making decisions with contracts.

1:31:48Exactly. Things like this. Exactly. Your life would have been mapped out different. I mean, I still would have been successful and done what I'd done, but I think it would have helped in so many ways. In so many ways. I agree. I agree. That's fascinating. I did not know. Yeah. One question I have to ask you. So, Katie. Oh, no. Now what? No, no. This is good. This is good. No, go on. So, I have a new show on Netflix. It's called Cheats. But I think, is this out yet? Because I've seen it. I love things like it. Yeah, I have seen it. I haven't watched it, though. It just came out. It is myself and Amanda Holden.

1:32:24Oh, I love Amanda. She's lovely. Oh, my God. So funny, isn't she? She has the best laugh. Banter as well. It's the two of us, and we're helping these couples to realise, should they be together or not? But ultimately, the question is, and this is the question I want to ask you is, the question is, is once a cheater always a cheater? Now, I have to say, when someone cheats, then it can be in a spectrum of other things. Because then they can say, well, I've got sex addiction. I've got this and that. That this is what I've had to deal with, with one of my relationships. He wasn't just a cheat. he did it with my best friend two of my best friends of 25 years then it was the nanny then it was the housekeeper then it's this person that all people I knew because it was easy for him to cheat think he must have a problem well we know he has and um and then other people I think they cheat this is what for men I'm not saying women are any good because women are just as bad as men and I think alcohol is no excuse but I think if people are out and alcohol and it's easy it's the fuck it button and then they'll probably regret it after so there's so many situations why people cheat or if they're not happy in a relationship yes they want the attention from someone else and get it and then before you know it you're enrolled in the conversation to the point you either meet or you don't then you do and then you cheat i've seen so many spectrums of cheating and what i've been through as well can i say even from an academic standpoint yeah you just said it perfectly oh did i there's four main categories of physical and emotional cheaters right one is someone who's like a sex addict yeah it's repetition and it's um people have to remember sex addiction they don't care who it is it's to do with the adrenaline and they feel shit after And the higher the rush and the worse situation is, the more heightened it is, the better the thrill that they feel shit after.

1:34:31Okay. So you said one of your former partners? Yes. Sex addict, right? So that's one category. Another category you just said, you said the alcohol, it's called situational. Yeah. A third category is conflict avoidant. Yes. Because there's conflict. They're trying to avoid potential conflict. They're trying to get out of the relationship. Yeah. And then the last category is revenge. Yes. Yes. And I, for me, revenge, I, see, I'm not into one night stands. I'm not a one night stand person. So when I hear of people who do the one night stand thing for revenge, I'm like, it's not going to make you feel better.

1:35:05That's going to make you feel shit. So do you think though, once a cheater, always a cheater? Right, so when I say if I cheated, it's been at the end of a relationship, like my ex who cheated on me with everyone and like, yeah. And so then I start getting attention and then I would go out and have dinner or meet them. Okay. But it doesn't mean to say I had sex with them. But it was still a cheating. But that's still a cheat. That's what I'm saying. People have to remember, sex doesn't mean it's cheating. Texting, and you know it's wrong, is cheating. If you know in your head, oh, I shouldn't be doing this, think to yourself, would you like your other partner to do it?

1:35:45And if you're already questioned, is it right or wrong, you've crossed the line. There you go. So then I have to ask you. So once a cheat, always a cheat. They've done it once. See, I've been burnt so bad with it. Depends why they cheated. But I would say if they've done it once, they're capable of doing it again. Wow. Look at that. So now this is a technical, but I just have to ask. I love this. Go on. I'm going to watch that show. It might be triggering for me, but I'll watch it. All right. So there was a rumor. Clear this up. Is this about me? This is about you. Oh, fuck. This is you. Which one's this?

1:36:21And Peter? Yeah. Okay. There was one side that said he cheated. There was another side that said you cheated. There was a third side that said you both cheated. Right. Which side is correct? We broke up because he thought I was having an affair with my dressage rider and I've never slept with him. I just kept my horse there and I was happy keeping my horse there and he was married. But when me and Pete split, because he used to keep saying, that's it, I've had enough, I've had enough. And it got to the point where I went and divorced him. I remember the day because then I flew to the Maldives with the kids.

1:36:55That day I'm at the airport, it's all on Sky News. It wasn't mutual at all. And then I redone a statement saying, I don't want to split for Pete. It's Pete that's splitting with me. Until this day, me and Pete have never sat down and spoke about it. You've never had a conversation? No. How do you manage the kids? It was all through lawyers. But the kids, though, how do you... All through lawyers. That's sad because... I've never sat down with him. But you didn't want to break up with him. No. You were not having an affair. I would imagine that with that relationship, it must be challenging. We probably would have sorted it out, to be honest.

1:37:28Yeah, you would have sorted it out. We would have done, but we were kept apart. But now you have to co-parent. Yeah, it's been very, behind the scenes, the most difficult thing. So then it just went like that, all of a sudden, split. And I think that's where my independence comes from, that when I say about the breadwinner thing, I've never, and this is another thing, although I've been married three times, I have never, ever, ever bought anything with the husband. I've bought the house, my own car, everything. Never joint. Never joint, yes. Because I don't want it taken off me. Yeah, which makes sense now.

1:38:03But, you know, I'm sitting here and I'm thinking of an idea. So I want to put you on an idea. Do you do this with everyone? No. No, I don't care if you do. You're a special. You're a special. You're a special, Judy Price. So you just told me that you have not talked to Peter Andre. Never. You've not talked. And he won't if you asked him to sit in a room. If they did. I would. Would you have a chat with him here? Yeah, I would. Well, I'd say what, if we can, we will make that happen. Because I think it would be incredible to reconcile that. But it shouldn't even be sparks. But we'll see. We'll see.

1:38:41I would like to spend another two, three hours with you. But I know you have to go. So I want to respect that. Can't we do a part two? We should do a part two. No, honestly, because there's loads we could delve in. And I think people would learn a lot. Not just about me, about everything. Right now, you have my commitment. We're doing a part two. Oh, we need to. But so just for today, for the end of part one, from this day on, what you have to commit to me is that you are going to work on your self-respect. You're going to work on your self-confidence. You're going to work on your self-esteem.

1:39:13You're going to hold to your boundaries. Oh, no, it's going to be different. When you interview me next, I'm going to do my homework and I'm going to tell you what boundaries and things I've done. It's not going to be easy, but I've got to do it. I have to do it. your children you talked about your little girl is she is watching you oh she does and you know what's so powerful is she understands the challenges you've had but you know what's so powerful for her yeah to see mommy change yeah this is like with my eldest son Julia as well like I have apologized to them for putting them through situations where they've seen me on my down bits and all of that and then probably not understanding why and we've had good talks about everything and they so respect me like mum it's so good to see you come in the other side because they didn't like it but at the time you don't know who you're affecting because you're in that headspace but you know what you know and they love how i am now you know how loved you are by your family?

1:40:15Oh, I know they do. Can I give you a little surprise? Oh, what the fuck have you done? Oh, don't say no, you're going to make me cry. I'm not crying. I'm not going to cry. What have you done? I'm not going to make you cry. I want to show you this. Have you really got something? I think this is, I mean, this touched my heart. Can I? Oh, no, what if I cry? Look, I'm crying all day. I don't know what, if it's my mum. You ready? Yeah. This is it, ready? Hi, auntie, it's Emily. Hi, auntie, it's Betsy. I bet you didn't think you were going to hear from us today. We are just really proud of you for being our auntie and I love how you come to my theatre productions because you light up the room every time I see you.

1:40:54I love how you come and support me with football with JJ. It really gets me hyped up. We love you so much. Oh, I love it when they do that with them. Yes. Oh, they're so cute, my nieces. So those are your nieces, right? Yeah. And they love you and they adore you. Oh, I do them. They're so cute. Yeah. All right. Last question. Every guest. Oh, here we go. Another one. Everyone gets this one. This is the last one is you've had some incredible conversations in your life. Oh, I have. If you can think of who you had a conversation with that was the most impactful. What did you learn and who was that conversation with?

1:41:38I think it might be my mom. She's always like, it goes back to the men again. Kate, why do you pick these men? Like, you deserve someone to like, embrace you, like, not use you. I suppose that word has been used a lot. The word used. I think a lot of people have said, Kate, your mentors, you get used a lot. And even if you don't say men, I've always heard all different people and I'm not names dropping. A lot of people have always used the word, Kate, you get used so much. Don't let people use you, which is why when I said to you earlier, I got a lot of people out of my life. Yes. Who I realise aren't good for me, who are using me.

1:42:25And it got to the point that I would employ people around me. so it's like I'm paying for people around to have a friendship yes yes does that make sense because I'm very friendly and it's like if you have people that work with you and the wrong thing I'll do is then become friends with them then I'll be like oh I'll get this for you I'll do that with you and then I've broken that boundary of work and friends that's happened so much in my life so I realize you don't have to buy a friendship like if they're your friends so my real real friends are people I've known for years or from school and they're what I call my core friends and people who stopped by me when I was at my lowest who were there through then and are still there now and seeing me come shine in the other side they're my friends yeah you know I think that just by itself that line of you don't have to buy your friends like that I think don't have to buy any relationship which is what I've done and yeah there you go there you go all right so Katie sometimes I wish I was absolutely skint and had nothing and then see what would happen see what would happen yeah i mean that's why people say you know sometimes you have to hit your lowest to see who's who's who's around you yeah but i will say this this is my final for part oh here we go again part two is gonna come but part one yeah we gotta do a part two you are i think what i hope you take away is that and you know oh you know this about me is i don't just say stuff no so i don't Kevin, you say it to me because it might hit home, some home truths.

1:43:57Go on. But it's all love. I think that you are incredibly resilient. I have never read about, heard anyone that has the amount of life experience, in particular traumatic life experience, than you have and is standing today. Just like your therapist have said, this is for me as well. I've never, never seen it. So that alone makes you one of, if not the most resilient people I've ever met in my life. Are you serious? I'm serious. That is from the bottom of my heart. Really? I truly believe this. I truly believe this. So that is one. That's good. Secondly is I highly respect how ambitious you are and how much of a hard worker you are.

1:44:43Yeah. You work hard. You've worked hard since you were a little girl. Yeah. And I believe that you are going to continue to do so. That's two. Three is that. No, no. The last one, and it's good, is that I love how much of a nurturer you are. Love it. And what touched me the most almost from everything, even all the trauma, is how you just wanted a hug. Yeah. But what you've done is you've flipped that as a little girl saying, I want a hug from these men in my life, you know, from my father figures. Yeah, yeah, yeah. To I'm now going to hug everyone. Yeah. And you hug your children. Yeah. You hug your nieces.

1:45:22Yeah. You hug all of these men that have been in your life. Yeah. And all I want you to do is walk up out of this chair and just hug on yourself. I will. Well done, Price. I've never done that. Sometimes I need a pat on the back. I never get it because I'm not asking for it. Like I said, I don't ask for it. But I know deep down that I've done well to come through what I'm a survivor when I said that to you. Yes. To live to tell the tale. I have had a good life as well. It's Wayne's Girls. But I've had a hell of a lot of shit. A hell. A hell of a lot. Oh, I really enjoyed that. I actually can't wait for part two.

1:45:58Thank you so much. Let's get a hug. Come on. Thank you so much. Bring it in. Bring it in. A. Price. Man. I love her. Because, you know, I met her about five years ago. It was hard to kind of get a feel for who she was, what she stood for. But what I didn't realize, and Katie just mentioned this, is that it was four years ago was her lowest point. So I probably met her on this terrible descent in her life. And that's why I had a hard time kind of figuring out who she was. But today she's a different person, you know, more self-reflective, more knowledgeable, arguably happier in herself than ever before.

1:46:37So it was great. I would love for her to come back. I mean, I think it's important for us to say, too, is she left this seat and proceeded to walk over there. And we talked for another hour with her car waiting outside. So she was having a great time here. And, you know, I love that she feels so comfortable. When she sat down, she said, Paul, I'm going to tell you just the truth. I'm going to be fully transparent and honest with you. And I think in part that's because she's seen previous guests come on and be fully transparent. And so I thank them for that. And then I thank her because she told us stories that she's told before, but in detail that she's never told.

1:47:21the fact that she wanted a hug and never got a hug from her biological father and her stepfather, that truly will stay with me because she remembers that and she remembers wanting that. And unfortunately, I believe that was the beginning of a very tumultuous relationship that Katie then had with men. You know, I've never, these are all nevers. I've never, I've never, I've never met someone who has gone through as many toxic relationships as Katie Price.

1:48:21Thank you.