I Said You'll Go To Prison For This! Georgia Harrison On Ex Stephen Bear, Justice & Receiving MBE

28:57He goes into all-boys school. They bust in girls, right, from a local all-girls school. Oh, my God. Yeah. So I'm looking at them. I think, oh, my God, all the girls are taller than the boys. Yeah. And he leaves the dance. He gets eight phone numbers. well so he's done all right then i was like okay i said okay i see you i see you so eight phone numbers right but what i then proceed to see is how all of the boys and i won't say all of the boys i'll say some of the boys in that school how they are likening the girls that they met to objects. Yeah. She's mine. Yeah. Oh, no, no. I'll trade you her.

29:46Yeah. Right. And you can begin to see the literal objectification. Yeah. Of girls slash women at age 11. So I pulled him right there. I said, we're going to talk about this. That's what I'm talking about in terms of conscious parenting. And what I find to be so interesting in that moment, what I'm so proud of is that he was willing to share that with us. Yeah. Because if he didn't share that with us, you know, it would have been very hard to then teach him about accountability. Yeah, navigate. So there's so many pieces, but there's a lot of work that needs to be done. Yeah. Yeah, a lot. All right.

30:25So then you leave that relationship. You entered a healthy relationship. This is the relationship that you mentioned that allowed you to enter Love Island. You had, we'll call it a kind disorder relationship on Love Island the first time. Yeah. Not really. I don't think he would call it that either. It was just one of them ones where we got together on the show and, you know, we probably wouldn't have been massively compatible in real life. And we weren't. We give it a go. All right, fair. Paul, your show sponsor Tinder wants to know, can you remember the very first spark you felt between you and Jill?

31:04Absolutely. The first spark was the first time I saw her, which was from behind, to be honest with you. She was walking up ahead with her father. She turned around, and I thought, oh, my goodness. She looks like a model. Like, she's perfect. And then what happened is, because we were in a summer program, we went to the class, and Jill had the highest test score among our class. And I knew, wow, at that moment, that was it. You know, she was beautiful. She was smart. That was the spark. That's all I needed. The spark is where it starts. It's like you're opening a new book. It is the beginning. And that's why the spark is so exciting and so beautiful.

31:46What's great about Tinder, it's the place that allows you to start the spark. And then you can carry that spark into real life where it matters most. So remember, it starts with a swipe. Download Tinder today. You know, this is another person asking me for advice on their relationship. which is exactly why I created the love journal. This journal is a tool to better understand yourself and what you need in your relationship, to better understand your partner and what they truly need in the relationship, but more importantly, what you as a couple need in order to grow and strengthen the love you have.

32:26It is easy to understand, but more importantly, easier to execute. The more effort and time that you place, the more reward that you'll get. But as a minimum as 10 minutes a week can change your relationship. You can get the Love Journal through the link in the description. So then what was the next relationship after that one from Love Island? So I guess after Love Island, I went on the challenge. And the next relationship people would know about is my relationship with Stephen Bear. Okay. Okay. So the challenge was a reality TV show? Yeah. Okay. And Stephen Bear was on the challenge. All I knew about the challenge was that it's an American TV show that loads of people do all these different challenges and the winner at the end gets a million dollars.

33:15But if you go on YouTube, it is insane. There's all these really big, butch, strong women in, like, gear that you would wear to a football game in America just attacking each other. I like shoulder pads shoulder pads the lot it's aggressive and most of these girls look like bodybuilders they train for this show like I'm looking at it like I'll have about that thing I'm thinking absolutely not I'm like do you know again as always I'm like Neil we'll do the interview and around this time I've now bought my own flat at 21 in Loughton which I was really proud of and thanks all thanks to Love Island I literally from being on Love Island for two weeks made a deposit for a um my own home we have to spend three seconds on this yeah how how do you start generating revenue from being on love island for two weeks just brand deals as soon as i came out i went from 60 000 followers to 800 000 um so immediately i was just doing absolutely all of the work i can do and cashing in and i actually went back to my office as well so i was working a full-time job at the same time as doing any sort of influencing work that i could on the side okay i was literally getting my makeup done for events in an office room that's meant to be booked out for like a CEO or something.

34:29I'm in there, like, get my glam done. But I worked double, double hard for the next few months to try and buy my property. Gotcha. And you must have been doing the PAs, the public appearances. Yeah. Right? So I'm curious, how much were you getting for a PA at that time? I reckon two grand ago. Okay. So you would show up, they would pay you$2 ,000 just to... Just to get pissed. Literally. Not bad. Just to meet people. But at that stage, no one even really wanted to speak to me. I didn't care who it was. So there was no queue. I'll tell you that. It was just a good time. This is wild. Yeah. Oh, my God.

35:12So I come outside my house as the whole thing with going on the challenge is starting to come around. And I see Bear pull up outside my front door. Like, literally, he's going around the corner. and he pulled up next to me because I was walking my dog and he went, you all right, Georgia? Because we obviously sort of knew each other from the scene, like, you know, of each other sort of thing. What are you doing here? And I said, oh, I live here. What are you doing here? And he said, oh, I've just bought a house opposite. He was like, I guess I'll be seeing you around then. And I was like, yeah, I guess you will.

35:41And within a week, I then went to go on the challenge and he was also on it. So he moves opposite me and then the next thing I know, we're living together. That's incredible. A week later, yeah. A week or two later, yeah. So he's on the show and then immediately you two would just click. Yeah, we did. Yeah, we sort of got on straight away. Okay. What do you think it was about him? And I ask that because at this point you had the healthy relationship. You had been in situationships in and out, but I feel like you're evolving. Like you're growing into this clued in woman. Yeah. Right. So what was it about him that made you think, okay, this could be a partner?

36:26Like I said, I always saw the best in everyone. So even my relationship that was healthy, I still hadn't been treated how I fully deserved. I wasn't treated badly, but he didn't want to show up for me. He didn't want to treat me like someone he'd want to be with for the rest of his life, like my current partner does. It wasn't what I deserved still. So I don't think I'd ever fully had a completely whole relationship. And I still had this real issue of, yeah, looking at people and just seeing what they want me to see. And I just thought he was funny. I thought he was really kind. I would like notice little things where I could see like someone was feeling left out.

37:07I'd see him go over and sort of make an effort. I thought he was really entertaining. I mean, I think a lot of people really did find him infuriating on that show. but for some reason I just absolutely loved his energy and when I was around him I just felt really really excited you're also in the desert we're in the desert for eight weeks doing these mad like stunts like things that you couldn't even imagine like having to get carried on a crane above a canyon and just like jump off having to fight someone with a gum shield in in the middle of the desert like proper like whacking each other like it was like being in a movie and it was only me, Bear, Theo, Ashley Kane and Zahida that were from London.

37:48So we were spending 24 hours a day together as a group and we were having these experiences that really aren't normal. Yeah. Yeah. I think these shows, this is also why so many relationships form people on these shows because you're right, they're not normal. It's not normal circumstances. You're getting served everything that you want, everything that you need, but yet you are lonely to a certain extent and so you have the closeness of whoever it is yeah right so it seems like it was the circumstances that that really pushed you to together yeah and it's easier for I think it was easier for him to be a kinder person to me there because he needed me more so I did probably see a different side to him because that is the side he was portraying during that time in our lives.

38:39So things then changed once you left the show? Oh, yeah. I mean, he left like two, like obviously, I'm not saying we were boyfriend and girlfriend, but we was very close on the show. We were together all the time. I thought we would have some sort of like connection when we got out. By the time I got out, he was already in Vegas, like putting videos up of strippers with their tits out and stuff like that. I found out he hadn't properly broken it off with his ex-partner, like he said he had on the show towards the end of filming. So there was also that. It was just a realisation of, you know, he is a womaniser to a degree, but I still didn't think he was a really dangerous person.

39:23Do you know what I mean? I thought he was someone that was cheeky with women, whatever. You know, I hadn't been with him for three years. It was like I could get over it and I could still be in his company and still enjoy his company, I didn't realize that there was quite a darker side to his personality. When did things turn? There was a couple of incidences. So there was another time where we was filming together about a year later, and we were filming in Thailand at this point. Okay. I can't remember how long we were both in there for that time. I think he was five weeks. I was maybe six or seven weeks.

40:01and then he went out first and then I came out and everyone who came out just carried on traveling and like going around Thailand so all of the cast kept meeting up with each other at different parts of Thailand and stayed for months so it ended up me my cousin him and Theo meeting up I think it was in Koh Samui and immediately we started like acting like we were in a relationship again like just being all over each other all day, like completely, you know, he would act like he was besotted with you. He really would. And, you know, I was someone that didn't know how to set boundaries around that.

40:40And I guess probably liked it a little bit because I liked being made to feel like I was important by someone. I don't know. And then we all decided we were going to book a trip to another part of Thailand, to a different island. we're now sharing a hotel room so he's actually like got a bit of control over me at this point um and we went out that night and immediately as soon as we got out that night first of all I said can I have the hotel room key because I just had a weird vibe of his energy and he wouldn't give it to me and his energy changed like I've never seen in a person he literally acted like he did not know who I was it was like it was like the person I knew just drained out of him and he was with some young girl all night acting like I don't exist when I'm standing right there staying in a hotel with him and I just thought I'm just not gonna let you see me feeling upset I'm just not gonna have it and I tried to get on with like my night I think me and Theo went somewhere else to try and get me away from it and you know it went on and on all night but I never had I couldn't get into my room key and I've been bit by a monkey the day before I thought I missed that bit out I've been bit by a monkey the day before so I was on antibiotics and then he I think part of the reason he went so funny is because he thought I might have rabies this is this is a wild story this is a wild story and I so I just wanted to get back into the hotel room to at least be able to get my antibiotics and have somewhere to stay.

42:19He completely ignored me for the rest of the night, locked me out of the hotel room, wouldn't let me in, and slept with another woman in it. While you're outside banging on the door? Yeah, while I'm trying to get in. I went and laid on a sunbed for a bit, crying, and then in the end I managed to find Theo and our other friend's room. And I was like, guys, they're in a double bed anyway, two geezers. I'm like, can I come in? I'm crying. I don't know what to do. Like, I also didn't have any of my money or anything that was all in the room. And it got to about eight in the morning. And he come rushing in the room and just acted like, are you okay?

42:52Where have you been? Like, oh, I don't know what you're talking about. There wasn't a girl in my room. I acted like none of that had happened. And I was like, this is actually, because he knows I know. It just happened. And I was like, this is actually, like, not someone who's a normal person. like you've just switched between personalities so mad and now suddenly that's like really cares about me is that the first time that you saw such a drastic yeah shift yeah so is your thought now okay what i need to distance myself from this guy first boat out of there i got the first boat out of there and i went back to stay in my cousin's hotel room because she'd already left and then I told him not to come near me.

43:35He got on another boat and then came into the hotel that I was in, soaking wet. Don't know why he was wet. I'm sorry, please speak to me, all of this. There was a real showdown in the hotel room. And it was dramatic. Everyone was looking, everyone was filming it. It was so embarrassing. And I actually saw the girl who he took back to the room in reception as I was leaving. She had all love bites on her. She was only young. And I remember just thinking, I had a chat with her. And I was like, she was like, oh, I didn't know you was with him. I said, listen, I'm not with him. I was standing in a hotel room with him.

44:11But, you know, you've done nothing wrong. You've just met him. And she was upset too because he'd thrown her out of the room after. And I realized he just actually had no empathy or regard for me at all whatsoever. And I swore to myself I would never go back with him again after that. And unfortunately, I did. You did. My God. So how soon thereafter did you go back to him? It was a long time. Okay. I think it was like, I think it had been about a year. Okay. Maybe a year and a half. I wouldn't even be friends with him. I wouldn't speak to him on set. Security used to have to put us into different rooms.

44:47So you kept your distance for a year. Yeah. And what do you think led you back to him a year later? I mean, first of all, he lived opposite me. I mean, for a while, he would always like turn up outside my house, It's like beeping the whole, come on, George, stop being silly. Come outside. And I don't know what made me go around here's the morning of what happened. I'd been out the night before with Theo and we'd been out really late that night. And I don't know if I was not feeling, I think maybe I was feeling a bit probably lonely at the time in terms of relationships. I was probably feeling a bit like I hadn't had anything with a spark for a long time.

45:29I'm now like hung over to hell like not feeling great and he's like why don't you just come over for a cup of tea and like we'll just talk about things that have happened in the past or whatever you know I'm feeling rubbish you are too what's the worst that can happen and I was on my own that day I was about to spend like a whole day in bed watching I don't know depressing films or something I thought I'll just go over there and it what started off as a cup of tea in my gym gear led to me then going to like he said look we'll go get the car wash let's just go get the car wash his car so I'm in my gym stuff and then he pulled up outside a restaurant was like right we're going for lunch and then we've ended up drinking at lunch but like a lot he's ordering shots like a lot was going on we've ended up going back to his it felt like a never-ending day but a day where you know I definitely thought he was unhinged but entertaining like I was getting along well with him it's someone I've been with in the past there was definitely like still a bit of a connection there because obviously there always is when it's someone that you've you've had some form of a relationship with before and I went back to his and when we got back there he was like oh should we go play cards in the garden like we used to because when we would be on the challenge we would always play this card game okay so it was like a thing of ours when we was on the show and the cards were on a table in the garden and it was a hot day and was having a few more drinks so I was like yeah go on um so we're playing cards it's feeling all quite nostalgic and that's when one thing led to another and he initiated that we have sex and we did then have consensual sex in what I thought was a private space and it went all around his garden and a little bit in his kitchen always positioned by him and what I thought was just me sleeping with an ex which I probably knew I would regret let's have it right but definitely not for the rest of my existence actually turned out to be him filming us having sex and you know the cards were in the place where the camera was you can't see any of the cameras they're all like you know right up at the top Like, you know, like the ones that you wouldn't notice.

47:53You wouldn't be, if you weren't looking for them, you wouldn't know that they were there. Can we unpack that? Because this, this blows my mind, right? This completely blows my mind. Because one is that you haven't had any communication with them for a year. Yeah. For a year. And then the first day that you do ends up being the day that your life changes forever. Literally changes forever. you have a day of hanging out drinking etc and you mentioned you go into this garden you have consensual sex but it's being recorded you don't know this but it's being recorded so is it being recorded by him on cameras that he has set up yeah but he hasn't set them up for that intention they're cctv cameras that he owns that he obviously has recording all the time that i wasn't aware of that he had so he hadn't put the camera there for me to be there he had the cameras already he placed me in front of them okay knowing I knew I wasn't aware that they were there so you were intentionally placed in front of these cameras I think so yeah okay okay I think so and you so you then you then have sex yeah do you leave no so obviously I've still had quite a bit to drink I've I think I'm in a safe space and then he just goes I've just realized some of that might have been caught on my cameras and acted like it was a complete mistake and I'm like what do you mean you've just realized so I'm now completely paranoid I'm like I want to see what what's on that footage so he gets it up I can't remember what device he got it up on and he shows me like all of these CCTV things and he rewinds it and he shows me what he's got and he goes I promised you I was ever going to see it it was a complete mistake so then I started going into one because I'm now like you've obviously done this on purpose people are going to see it like how am I going to feel the more I started getting upset about it then he was almost getting like angry like oh why do you think that I would do that on purpose like who do you think you are I've had so many famous girlfriends do you really think if I was going to do this to someone it would be you um do you know what I mean and then I started saying you know I would call the police if you've done this and it wouldn't just ruin you it would ruin no it wouldn't just ruin me it would ruin you as well but you will go to prison for this I was very clear about that and you know he started speaking like he'd seen sense and like he understood the severity of what would happen if he had another copy of that video and if he sent it anywhere.

50:39Okay. So you were asking specifically for him to delete what he had. Yeah. And was he saying, yes, I will delete it or just... Yeah, no. Yeah, no. It was a, I will delete it. Like no one's ever going to see it. I didn't want it to even exist in the first place. So he doesn't delete it. No. But when you left, did you believe that he had? I stayed that night. You stayed? Yeah. Okay. I believed it, but I believed that he wouldn't be that stupid. Like, I believed not that he would protect me. I genuinely believed that he would know exactly what would happen if he did that. I mean, there was no way people weren't going to recognize me from that video.

51:25There was no way he wasn't going to get caught. I just believe that he'd done something that was definitely creepy, but maybe was some sort of a sick personal kick that he got out of it. I never for a second dreamed he would actually go on to sell something like that on the internet. I just didn't think he would do that. So then at what point do you learn that he's being nefarious with the video? So about three months later, so we're still at this point now, people that get on well, like we see each other out. I went to one of his events, like I've just put it down to a ridiculous drunk mistake that has been swept under the carpet and had no ill intention.

52:11That's how I've had to look at it in my mind. And that's how I thought it was because I hadn't heard about it at all. then I was at mine with a few people um having some drinks at mine and my best friend at the time had a boyfriend and the boyfriend came in the house like white as a ghost and he was like I need to tell you something and we're like what I look like such a big deal and he dragged me into the kitchen and I thought it was really weird for him to do that we didn't have that sort of relationship like he wanted to speak to just me like my best friend's boyfriend it was just really weird and he said um I've just been with one of the boys who have said that he that Bear has shown them a video of you and him in a sexual act um obviously I don't know if he didn't know if I'd been involved in it if it was something that was consensual um and as soon as he told me that I was like horrified because that now meant that he was showing people it was something that he was using to literally show off around men within his circle.

53:17Right. But the boy didn't want to say who told him. And he, you know, all men are like that. He didn't want me to say anything. Nobody wanted me to kick off because it was going to have implications on other people. Right. But I was absolutely horrified that night. And I thought I'd sleep on it. And the next day I thought I got two options. I called the police or contact his family. because I've made it implicitly clear to him, don't do it. So you chose? I chose to call one of his family members and I explained everything that he'd done and it was someone I knew he looked up to and someone I knew he would listen to or thought he would.

53:58And they said that they're going to, and I had all of this in, that my initial reach out was on Instagram. So I had all of this in text, which was really helpful when it came to my court case because it showed that I'd made a clear plea prior to this becoming a bigger thing. It was concrete evidence, whereas everything else had been verbal. Right. I wasn't really thinking about that at the time, but they then spoke to him on the phone, said that they spoke to him. He denied all of it, but that he understands how serious it is that they'd sat him down, that they'd explained what would happen if this went any further, and that I didn't have anything to worry about anymore, and that was it.

54:37And I believed that he would listen to people from his family. Okay. But I actually think his mental state was really slowly getting worse around that time. And I don't think by the end of it he cared about anyone. I think he was in complete and utter self-destruct mode by the time the video went to the internet. But yeah, that was my last attempt. My biggest regret is not calling the police there and then because they might have been able to see some footage. And I think for any victims going through the same thing, don't question it. Don't give him a chance. Don't feel sorry for him. Call the police.

55:12Call the police. Get him around there, like, and just do what you can to stop it before it gets bigger than you can control. So he's showing this video to people who you know. Yeah. And he's sitting down. I mean, now that you know, in hindsight, it's like, what was he doing? He was literally like, hey, look at this video. All right. And is he sending it to people as well? I'm not aware of that. Okay. But he's actually showing. So is that the showing, is that qualified as revenge porn? I don't think so. I think only the distribution. The distribution. Wow. So he was within then his legal rights?

55:52Yeah. Really? Yeah. That's mind-blowing. He owns the copyright to that video. Even though he filmed it without your consent? Well, no, then that's still voyeurism. Okay. But showing it, I don't think, comes under a law. The filming of it was voyeurism. So filming me in a sexual act without my consent was breaking the law as well. That's breaking the law. Okay. Breaking the law, as I've done my research, breaking the law in the UK. Yeah. Not in many other countries. No. Which is mad. Mad. I mean, even in the United States. And it happens a lot. Yeah. All right. So he's showing the video. He's breaking.

56:30So at that point, there's a law. There's a voyeurism law. Yeah. Okay. But I would imagine the sentence is not significant around that. So he's doing that. Then when does he distribute the video? I was at a pool party in Dubai and I literally will never forget it. I open my phone and there's this account that is a really big fan of the challenge, the show that we've been on, and they're always posting challenge updates. So they probably follow all of the challenges, you know, social media accounts, OnlyFans accounts, whatever accounts they have. And it was just a screenshot of the video. And I knew the guy that sent it was based in America.

57:17So immediately, the second I saw it, I was just like, I'm done. Like, this is on the internet. It's global. So he hasn't just sent it to someone in Essex who I found out about. It's not in a WhatsApp group. this is on the internet and I went straight back to the guy and I was like you need to find out where this is and somehow his account got taken down the person that told me so now all I've got is one screenshot and no other evidence at all and I don't know how I'm ever going to find it I'm not talking to him to bear because there's no reasoning with him he doesn't care whatsoever he's had so many warnings I know why am I wasting my breath there anymore I'm like I now need to circulating evidence and I need legal action.

58:06So I grieved for quite a bit. Like my friends had to take me home. I was crying. I was like having panic attacks. I was trying to figure out in my head who to tell first, who I had to tell first, what family members I need to break the news to before all of their friends find out. Do you know what I mean? I was feeling really like ashamed of myself and I really felt like I'd let my family down. I felt like I'd let myself down. I felt like I'd given off an impression of myself as a really promiscuous person when I'm not. I felt like I was misrepresented by that video and I felt like there was going to be a stigma on me for the rest of my life from that second.

58:50And I also felt really like hurt that he had done that to me, that he could be so evil to go ahead. And after all of the time I'd spent with him, crushed me in the way that he did. So what did you then do? Because you're grieving, but you still now have to do something. You have to act. So what did you do? So I basically put an Instagram story up saying if anyone has seen a video of me and Bear in his garden please send it to this email address and as soon as I put that story up within 24 hours we had like 100 people sending links it had been on OnlyFans for over a month without me knowing without them knowing it had been on Pornhub and that was the link that was circulating massively because that was the link that you didn't have to subscribe to it was the sendable link that had been copied from his OnlyFans and it was just everywhere.

59:51But people that knew and had seen it saw my story and then started sending it more. It almost caused it to ignite. So it wasn't just the evidence that ignited. It's notoriety ignited. And then people were just sending it everywhere. And my phone was just going ping, ping, ping, ping, ping of people saying, you know, it wasn't the evidence folder anymore. It was friends, family, acquaintances, exes, you name it. Have you seen this? Have you seen this? I've been sent this. I've been sent this. And it just went absolutely wild. Like I had something like 72 million impressions on my Instagram. 72 million.

1:00:27Yeah. Over that course of that week, you know, when you look on your insights and during the same time, he upped his subscription price on OnlyFans from like, I don't know what the original price was really low to 50 pounds because suddenly he had a surge of people signing up to his OnlyFans to look for this video that I think was no longer there at this point anyway. But instead of being at home remorseful, ashamed, worried for what his life may now equate to, he was still looking for an extra pound note. That is absolutely, I mean, that's diabolical. Yeah. It's diabolical. So did Did he start the OnlyFans specifically to distribute your video?

1:01:12It was after the video was filmed. He wasn't an OnlyFans star before. When we were together and when the video was filmed, he wasn't an OnlyFans star. So he films the video, creates an OnlyFans. But I think he was doing other content on there as well. But this video lands on that. And it was up for, you said, a month. Yeah. So he's monetizing the video. the video. Yeah, he actually put a screenshot of it up on, like, the main OnlyFans bit where you don't have the subscription, where you can just look at them. And it said, you can watch this slag get shagged in my garden for 50 % off this week.

1:01:48Something along those lines. on his verified account. On his verified account? Yeah. Now, this is clearly revenge porn because he's distributed. Yeah. So without the proof of intent, then it's not qualified as revenge porn? No. But now it is because I've campaigned and changed the law on that. But prior to? Prior to that, yeah. Prior to that, you had to prove that the person intended to harm you. But it's like if I punched you in the face, Paul, you wouldn't have to prove that I intended to harm you. It's a harmful act. And sending a video around of someone in a sexual act without their permission is a harmful act.

1:02:30There's no one in the world that's not going to be upset by that. You probably, I mean, you know these numbers probably better than anyone. How many people are in this position where they're facing revenge? What do we call it? Revenge porn act? Image-based sexual abuse. An image-based sexual abuse. Sexual abuse. How many people are facing that? Thousands. Thousands. So many more than the statistics would say. Like I still have like three to five women every day messaging me, telling me that they're going through it, but they're not just going through it with actual footage of themselves. They're now dealing with the fake images as well, which is so realistic.

1:03:10Yeah. And you said women. I would imagine this disproportionately happens to women. It's mainly women. Yeah, and it's mainly men who are the perpetrators of this. And a lot of it is used within domestic abusive relationships to blackmail people into staying. I see. So it's this whole idea of if you leave, I'm going to release this. Yeah. So therefore, stay and I won't release it. My God. So you were, in terms of your case against barriers, you were collecting evidence. Did you have a lawyer at this point? You just get given a lawyer by the CPS because you're a victim. So you don't get to meet your barrister till the day.

1:03:49Really? You get no legal support up until the day, apart from when you're speaking to the police. But the police are also impartial, you know. So you're doing this all on your own? Collecting evidence? With my mum. With your mum. Yeah. And there was one lady called Michelle Roycroft, who's a really good family friend of mine now. She came into my life along the journey. She's an ex-police officer and she helped me so much. Gosh, gosh. The evidence. And your mom in particular is the MVP here. Yeah. What is that conversation like? Just she felt so sorry for me, you know. She just kept telling me that I have nothing to be ashamed of.

1:04:27She was just angry. Yeah. She was so angry and she just wanted to do everything she could to make him pay. She was very reassuring that, you know, it was going to be okay. We were going to get it taken down. but you know Pornhub they're not the sort of company that answer you at all. Only fans took it down pretty quick but Pornhub just pretty much irresponsive. I eventually did get it taken down but it took days and it was a really accessible link so I found that tough as well that you know platforms were still not responding to victims in the way that they should have especially these other platforms Some of them just never respond, the less big ones.

1:05:12That was really frustrating because I thought it would be a lot easier. OnlyFans were very helpful in the court case, actually, in convicting him and providing the relevant information to ensure that he did get convicted. OK. Let's talk about that case because that case now has changed the law. Yeah. Right. So and I think has firmly made you an activist, you know, firmly. So that case, your thought going in was what? Was that you just wanted the video down, you wanted him to pay? What was your objective? I mean, I'd had a really tough, tough time in the lead up to the case. My best friend died.

1:05:50Then the case got moved a year. Then six months later in between that year, my ex-boyfriend died in a car crash. And then six months later, I had to walk into the court case. So there was a time where I didn't think I would be mentally able to do it because I'd completely and utterly just had a mental breakdown by the stage of the most recent loss. By the time I got to the court case, I've managed to build my strength up just enough to get in there. And all I wanted to do was just prove that he was a liar. And I think I had so many fears leading up to it because I knew he was a good liar. of how he might act, how he might portray himself, how he might walk in there and act like this really amazing guy and have this really well-constraved story to try and make me look like I was lying.

1:06:43I didn't realize that your friend had passed during that time. So your friend was with you when the case was beginning. Yeah. And I'm sure supporting you was your right hand. so how did you feel going into the case without your best friend I felt like he was there I felt like he was there and he was telling me to be strong and I felt like I was doing it in his memory because I knew how much he wanted me to take him down okay so that gave you more just more gusto to go in there. Yeah, definitely. More ability to stay focused and feel like you're doing it for a higher purpose. Okay. He was your angel.

1:07:32Yeah, definitely. Okay. So you went into that case. And when I see, you know, looking at the research, when I see the images, Stephen Barry, he showed up in a rented Rolls Royce fur coat, gold cane. Yeah. What was the point of all that? I don't know, but I just felt absolutely relieved when he'd done it because all of my fears of the person he may pretend to be dissipated in that moment because he literally turned up looking as he is, which is like a sex offender. What was, I mean, I don't understand. Like, I'm trying to understand. Why would you? I think he'd been allowed for so long to be this awful, horrible character on all different sorts of TV shows and still come out on top and praised.

1:08:24It didn't matter what he done. People still loved him. And in his head, he thought, I'm going to make as big of a laugh as this possible, as big as a spectacle of this as possible. I'm going to get away with it. And everyone's going to think I'm a complete legend. All right. Well, that didn't happen. No. Didn't happen. So you go into court and you mentioned that you're just assigned the public defender. Yeah, barrister. Barrister. You're assigned that just day of. Yeah. Which is wild. Yeah. So how long is the actual proceedings? Oh, I mean, I think they went on for four or five days. But I had to give evidence, I reckon, for altogether like five hours.

1:09:09Okay. It's really scary. like you you immediately start panicking even though you're telling the truth because you're in such a strange environment you're in front of 12 people who you're trying to like plead a case to and there's booklets and they each have a booklet and I have an evidence booklet and like for one part of it I had to flip through each part of the booklet and it would be me in a different sex position each time in the video having to confirm is this you yes is this Yes. And they're going through it at the same time. And, you know, that's so embarrassing as it is. And it just, you know, I knew I had the upper hand throughout my witness statement because I was telling the truth.

1:09:50And I knew that I was right. And I knew that everyone could tell that I was right, no matter what was thrown at me. But I was still hurt and shocked by the things that were used to say could be a reason that it wasn't him. Right. So you knew you were right. But did you believe you would win? Yeah. I believed I would win. Like he didn't have a leg to stand on. But for some reason, he really thought he did and still seems to believe he does. But, you know, to your point, image based sexual abuse, only 4 % are convicted. Yeah. So 96 % walk free. Yeah. I meet so many women that put themselves out there to seek justice and don't get it.

1:10:36And it's so awful on my journey to have to deal with that. And talking about the prevalence is one out of 14 adults in England and Wales have experienced a threat to share intimate images. Yeah. And I think you mentioned, and it's probably much higher. I would say so. Yeah, than that. So you had nothing to win, but what, your dignity? Yeah. Yeah. All I had to win was, well, actually, I had my whole, my whole career was hanging in the balance, to be honest. It was? Yeah. So how so? Because it had already been massively affected by the tape. I've been dropped by a lot of brands I used to work with, you know, many of them obviously didn't put that in writing.

1:11:23but they did say off the record that, you know, it just wasn't a good vibe for the brand, which is fair. There's loads of influencers out there. Why should they have one that's got this sex tape going around as the face of their brand? It really did affect my work. And if I had then been called a liar after all of that, I just don't think there would have been anywhere to go for me within my industry. I never would have shaken off that stigma. Did you contemplate that at all? I tried not to let it come into my mind. I tried to keep completely positive that I was going to be okay and I was going to win because, like you said, like I said before, you have to believe that you are the person.

1:12:08And if I let myself fear too much what could go wrong, I don't think I would have had the strength to relay my witness statement in the way that I did as someone that I knew would win in this case. Yeah. I mean, you definitely seem to be convicted that you were going to win. Yeah. Right. But I can also feel even as you're talking, I can feel how there was so much pressure on you. Right. Everything was riding on this case. And then this guy's walking in almost mocking you. Yeah. You know, in it and then on social media, because, you know, you'd spent a lot of your early career building up social.

1:12:45so what was what were people messaging you uh what was the buzz on your socials just always I always still now get like a lot of abuse about him about the situation like often people are still looking for the video and writing links underneath about where it is I think when it was really right I thought I couldn't go on live without just the whole thing being like I would do a live with a company and every comment would just be abuse about that situation and it changed the way that I did show up on social media like I started getting judged for wearing bikinis stuff like that I couldn't do that then because if I posted a picture like I would do before like obviously not a really seedy one like something classy for a nice brand people would write things like oh so it's not okay to have this sex tape out but it's all right to be like that you know like judging me for doing things that I'd always done and basically saying I deserve to have a sex if I'm willing to show my body in a bikini online.

1:13:47And, you know, those things used to, they make me sort of censor what I post. Yeah. Did you even censor how often you would go out in public? I think at first, yeah, it was really, really overwhelming because all anyone was speaking about was that video. Everywhere I would go, people were whispering about it, in the gym. You know, people were always talking. It's all anyone spoke to me about. like even now when I go out I still get like the odd person come over to me and talk to me about it a lot and you know when you're in a situation like what we're doing now and it's going to make a difference if I'm campaigning if I'm in parliament it's something that I of course want to speak about because it's an important story that helps shape society and happens to so many people but if I'm having a pint down the local pole I don't want him from you know Buck of Steel to come over and be like, oh, weren't you that girl that had that video with me?

1:14:40It can completely destroy my mood on that evening and change the way I'm feeling. And that's something that I deal with still. But then it was continuous. It was all-consuming. So then tell me about the day that you won. It was a really, really emotional moment. Like my mum and dad spit up when I was two. and they never had a good relationship growing up. Like my mum loved me very much, so did my dad. My dad went on to meet my stepmum, but we never had a family environment where we could all sort of be in the same room together and things were, you know, people weren't like fighting on the doorstep, but it was just off energy.

1:15:23Yes. And there was something about this court case that brought my whole family together and they really band together to come and sit through the court case throughout. out I wasn't always there but always either my dad my mum or my step-mom and other people were there and on the day of the verdict I had my dad on one side my mum on the other side holding my hand my step-mom holding my dad's hand you know my friends all really close to me and I was so scared that I wasn't going to get the verdict that I deserved because I wasn't even going to come out to the courtroom and my barrister came in the holding room I was going to let them come out and tell me because I couldn't bear to have him watch me lose if I did and they come in and they were like look we really think you're gonna win like I think you're gonna really regret it if you don't come out for this verdict and you don't really know what the judge is gonna say at first and then he just started to really relay to him whilst he was standing there all of the things I'd felt and like all of the experiences I'd had to go through all the way it affected my life before he actually gave him the guilty verdicts.

1:16:31And I felt so heard and so vindicated and all of my family were crying and were supporting me. And, like, it just felt like such a unreal moment of, like, victory. And I just felt so grateful for everyone who'd been a part of that journey. And I remember just looking at the jury and just being like, thank you, like, because, you know, these people don't know me and they have just saved my life. They had. They had. And also I think I can almost visualize your family all there. Yeah. Was that the first time that your family from both sides, in essence, had come together? Yeah. And we all went like out for a drink after because I'm still filming my documentary at this point so I filmed a little bit after and then all of the family went together for a drink, my driver, my documentary team, my friends, my family.

1:17:26And it was like, I just can't believe that's it. Like, it's over. So what is the verdict exactly that came down? He was guilty on three charges altogether. They ran concurrently. And altogether, he got 21 months. 21 months. Which is the highest that you can get for what he done. Look at that. Were you there for the sentencing? Yeah, I was there for the sentencing. All right. I had to give a victim statement. All right. How did that feel? And how did he appear to you knowing that he had, he was now going to be punished severely? He kept pretending to fall asleep in the dock whilst I was talking, whilst the judge was talking.

1:18:08And when I got up to give my victim statement, he kept shouting things out at me. So I was talking about obviously how it affected me. And then he was saying things like, well, I would have apologized, but I've got a restraining order. and things like that, like just sort of heckling me. There was a load of young boys that came in, had to be thrown out. It was all like a bit of a song and dance. He turned up, I think, in a tracksuit. Like it was just all really offensive, but also it felt really good to sit there because up until then I'd just been given evidence. I hadn't been saying how I felt.

1:18:44And I got to actually really openly say how I felt, not just to him, because I don't think he listens. But to his friends and family who had supported him through this, I really wanted them to hear what they deep down knew, you know, and that felt really good to me. Like ever since then, my life's definitely got better, but now I'm at the best place I've ever been in in my entire life. Like I'm so happy I don't actually believe my reality is mine still. Wow. We have to talk about how you got to that place. But in particular, though, if we can talk about your activism around the revenge porn legislation, right?

1:19:28Because until your work, the laws were different. Yeah. As we're saying. I went on GMB the day after my court case the next morning. Okay. And Ed Balls was the presenter. And I told him about this issue and how I thought it needed to change. and as soon as the cameras cut he come up to me in my dressing room and was like I'm going to put you in touch with the right members of parliament to make this happen and he put me in touch with Caroline Noakes and she made it happen okay so between them both they managed to get it to the top okay so it it was you were the voice yeah to get it to the top so now your work in addition to many have now changed the legislation.

1:20:12But from my research, I see that there is many countries, China, Japan, India, the United States of America, who do not have these same laws in place, which means that there are many people, disproportionately many women, who are having to suffer in silence. So what do you think needs to be done globally? and what can we all do to support these laws changing? I think world leaders should come together and make sure that these things are implemented across the board. And there's still things that need to change. So, for instance, with the image-based sexual abuse law, I only found out recently that there's a six-month window on that.

1:20:54So if you don't report it within six months of the offence actually happening, then you can't get justice. Oh, my goodness. But I only found out a few months after the offence went onto the internet that it had happened. So I was very close to not having the right to justice. And for some women, they won't find out for like a year, two years down the line. Exactly, because they're not being told. No, my face was recognisable, so it got to me quicker. But for some people, they won't know for a long time. So I don't think there should be a time limit on this law at all. That's something that needs to change.

1:21:25And then obviously we have the rise of deep fakes, which is just as painful for people. because especially when you're in school, I've met a lot of young women. When these pictures go round of them, you know what kids are like. They want to believe the rumors. They want to believe excitement. They don't listen. So girls are made out to be liars. And even when it isn't their body, they're shunned and they have a stigma on their name for a picture or video that wasn't even them that you can make for free on any app right now just by Googling like an Undress Me app on the internet. It's so easy. Let's talk about this because deep fakes, one is this is a topic that directly connects to Revenge Born.

1:22:05You've done a documentary on this space. And it's something that my wife and I talk about quite often because in this research I saw 50 % of children between the ages of 8 to 15 have seen at least one deep fake online in the last six months. That's wild. That's mad. That's mad. Those are my kids, literally 11 and 14. So specifically, when you think about a deepfake, what is, for everyone who doesn't know, what is a deepfake? Well, a deepfake is an image or a video that's been made by AI. And, you know, that can be in any sort of a context. But when it comes to my work, I work with pornographic deepfakes.

1:22:49So it will be when they take a picture of you. so they take for instance your head off of a picture and then they put it onto a naked body and this is on an app that you can do this so you could take a picture off of any girl like you take it off her facebook you take it off the school walls you take it off anywhere with the click of a button it will show her naked it will show her tied up it will show her in some disgraceful sexual acts that I wouldn't even want to lower your podcast by talking about. And all of that can be for free. And then on the more high tech deep fakes, you can actually show someone in an actual porn video where it looks like they're having visual sex.

1:23:30That they're in the act. And how prevalent is this? Because I know that when you did your doc, were you shocked to know how many deep fakes there are that exist with your face? Yeah, I was shocked. I was shocked that there's actually pages out there of me with my pictures, my normal pictures, and next to it it will say deepfake, deepfake, deepfake. So it's literally enticing people to deepfake me. And I was actually more shocked by how many normal women have been affected by it, to be honest. So when you go onto the forums, a lot of it are men like, you know, this bitch dumped me, can you deepfake her?

1:24:04And they'll put a picture of her. My sister, can you deepfake my stepsister? Like I saw some really dark stuff on the web. And then there's these people that come together and help make the deep fakes better. And it's happening to a lot of normal girls. And I think, you know, yeah, the videos are concerning, but it's even it's the more B-Tech pictures, you know, just the like selfies in the mirror that they turn into a naked picture that for me are more damaging because they are so believable. And most of these girls that are on these forums probably don't even know that people are looking at these pictures.

1:24:37And, you know, it's either only created to either embarrass a woman, to have control over a woman, or to get revenge against a woman. There is no goodness in these apps. And most of them are only made for the female body. They're not made for males. To this point, 99 % of all nude deepfakes created are women and girls. Yeah. Yeah, look at that. So, Georgia, what do we do? I just think it comes under the power of the government now. And the government are obviously bringing in new legislation. They've said that deepfake is now illegal. But we need to see that implemented within the big porn platforms, within the internet as a whole.

1:25:19So whoever is facilitating this sort of technology needs to be held accountable. And I think we need to start seeing fines. We need to start seeing prison time. If you own one of these platforms, you're breaking the law. and the sooner people are held accountable for that, the sooner people will stop doing it and they'll find other ways to make money. Right now, they think it's easy, they think it's quick and they think they'll get away with it because so far everybody has. So you need to go to the top because you can't blame these individuals, you can't blame these 14-year-old boys who are having a bad relationship and using these apps.

1:25:53They're kids. Some of them are kids. You have to blame these people that are making this technology and at the moment I'm just not seeing enough happening there. I know Ofcom have been brought on board to do it, but I still haven't seen any of these tech giants on the steps of a courtroom yet. I haven't seen any consequences. So what do we do to protect our sisters or our nieces? Or, you know, how do we protect our loved ones? You know, I understand legislation needs to happen, but what can we do to protect our loved ones? From deepfake, there's not a lot you can do. Like you can not share your image but, you know, people want to be a part of social media.

1:26:36It is a part of so many people's lives. You know, one thing that Australia have implemented is the banning of social media from under-16s and I do think that that would be a positive thing. Like, you know, I'm sure my younger followers will literally be like hating me for saying that. But like... Unfollow, unfollow. Exactly. Exactly. But I think if everyone didn't have it, then it wouldn't be something that you felt you were missing out on if it was something that you weren't a part of. And I think during your school years, like social media is so damaging. Like if I had arrived one of the girls at school or if someone was bullying me for my psoriasis, for instance, I would go home, cry for a half hour with my mom and then forget about it.

1:27:16You know, put on Nickelodeon or something. We move. now it carries on like people have access to you they are able to abuse you 24 7 as a teenager you are not safe you have no bubble that you go back to anymore because of social media and then you also have these sick people out there that are taking children's pictures and making them sexualized and it's like maybe that can wait until you're old enough to be able to cope with it. To put those images. What worries you the most about deep fakes? Just that they'll get completely out of control and not just like the pornographic side, like the propaganda side, the fact that someone could make a video of me saying something that I would never say, like completely immoral, completely disgusting, something that could ruin my whole career.

1:28:09And I would have to go for a court case to prove it wasn't me. Like we're going to get to a time where these deep fakes have so much power that you can make them do or say anything and they'll be completely believable. So they need to be regulated just like things are regulated in reality. And it's just like anything, you know, there was a time where lots of things weren't illegal and people didn't understand that they were dangerous. You know, there was lots of drugs that probably weren't illegal for a very long time. People had to understand the damage. We now understand as a society the damage.

1:28:42It's time to move quicker on the prevention of that damage. We have to do this for you. Oh, thank you. Yes, because you think about this, an MBE is what you were just awarded. Yeah. All right. So what is, for the Americans out here, right, what is an MBE? So you're a member of the British embassy. No, there's another word in it. Empire. Empire. No, but it's a member of the British Empire, but there's another one. I think it's Order. Yeah, member of the Order of the British Empire. Yes. It's just for having really contributed in a big way for your country, which is wild to think that I have been recognized in such an honorable way.

1:29:27It's huge because when I got here, I would see everyone's name with the MBE. And I would say, what is that? So literally, your name now is Georgia Harrison MBE. Yeah. So is that, that's your title now? Yeah. Wherever you go. Wherever I go, yeah. For however long you're going. Yeah. Right. How does that feel, though, to be given what is one of the highest honors in this country? It just feels still like not even real. I feel so grateful. And, you know, it feels like really rewarding because sometimes campaigning work can feel like you're doing tireless work and people don't really realize how hard it is or how often you're doing it or what sort of energy it takes.

1:30:12So to know that someone in the government has recognized me for what I'm doing and given me an honor that big, it's just life-changing. And I feel so, so just imposter syndrome to even think about it. Do you? Yeah, of course. It's just massive. All right. So then let's talk about the man. Yeah. The man. So clearly you've gone through a lot of different types of relationships in your life. But you're in one, what I believe is a very healthy relationship. So let's look at, in particular, how you met Jack. So funnily enough, I met you at a Tinder event, didn't I? I actually met Jack on an online dating app.

1:31:01And that's why I am such an advocate for these dating apps. Like, I really, really am. I think they're a great way of meeting people and of, you know, actually going somewhere with a purpose. So I'd been off of Love Island All Stars, I think, for about six months maybe. And I was just like, this is it now. I just want to meet someone. If I can put myself out there on national television and go on a load of random dates, why can't I go on a date now? Like I spend every Sunday sitting on the sofa with my best friend talking about where we could go to meet some guys or whatever. Even when we do go out, like in the hopes of like meeting the one, we just spend the whole time with each other.

1:31:45Like it was very, it's not very often that I meet someone on a night out. So I was just done. I was ready to meet someone and I decided to set up as many dates as possible. And I was like, I'm just going to go have a laugh. Like, I'm either going to meet someone that I fancy, make a new friend, or meet someone that could, you know, maybe help me within business. They're all just new opportunities. And if they're not, I'll block them. Do you know what I mean? Like, if they really freak me out, I'll just block them. I have that option, you know. There's no, like, they're not going to move in. Like, it's not a big deal.

1:32:19I might get rejected or things might not go the way that they're supposed to go. But if you don't turn up for the interview, you're never going to get the job. Wow. And the first date that I went on was with him. And he literally, I think we messaged like hardly at all. He was like, I don't really like talking, let's just go for a drink. I was the second date he'd gone on, on the app. And we just got along really, really well. And I cancelled all the others. I never ended up going on any of the others. I was quite busy at the time anyway, with my documentary. but yeah we just I knew he was someone that I would get along with on our first date but I don't think it was until like my fifth date that I realised that like I really liked him okay and I don't reckon it was until like probably three or four months in that I actually believed he was gonna not that he was gonna stick around basically it took three months yeah at least why do you think it took three months Because I was just so damaged by my other relationship experiences.

1:33:23Like, he would go to me, oh, like, he'd say, oh, you know, I'm not going anywhere. Like, he'd say stuff like that for on a date, like, out on a date. Like, you know, I'm here to stay. And I'd be like, yeah, whatever. Or, like, when he first comes to meet my friends and family, it was to watch Celebrity SAS, the final. That you were on? Yeah, that I was on. And he was, like, supporting me. It was still quite early on-ish, but a couple of months in. And then I was like, oh, this is Jack. We're dating sort of. And like, that's how I introduced him. And my friends were like, why have you just said it like that?

1:33:55And I had so many walls up. I didn't want to say like, this is Jack and we're together. And, you know, I quite like him because I was so convinced that after a few months, I was just going to be love bombed. And this couldn't be as good as it really was. But actually it was. Yeah. What was the moment that you knew he was a keeper? And when I say keeper is he was not going to leave you. Oh, probably around January time. We went to Columbia together for three weeks and our relationship was so strong. And that's when I knew like we had something really special and I knew he really, really liked me.

1:34:39And, you know, we've been talking about moving in together. And that's when I started believing that it was real. But I don't think it was until I was pregnant that I was like, there's no way he's ever coming anywhere now. But he can still go, though. I know. I know. No, I reckon it was around Columbia time. I have another surprise for you. God, what? You'll like this. Really? Yeah, you're going to love this one. Ready? I'm just sending you a message to let you know how proud I am of you, how proud I am of everything you've done, your story. I know I wasn't around for a lot of it but I will be around for the rest of it You're an inspiration to me, you're an inspiration to so many others What you've achieved, your MBE, everything is testament to you I see it every day, you're pushing boundaries, your energy is infectious And I can't wait to support you for the rest of your life It's insane how much I love you, you're going to be the best mum and, yeah, this is just a tiny little stepping stone on the rest of your journey.

1:35:46Very proud of you, babe. Oh, honestly, Paul, I just love him so much. Like, I can't put into words how much he's changed my life, but he's changed me completely as a person. He's made me love myself in ways I never thought I could and he's like, he supports me through everything. I've waited my whole life for someone to treat me the way he treats me. Yeah. What does it feel like to be loved? It just feels incredible. I just feel like, I just feel like happy all the time. I feel like more motivated. I feel more proud of myself. And I just feel like I'm with my best friend every day. You know what?

1:36:39By the way, there's tissues over there. Thank you. I don't think you do this to me. You know what I love so much about this video? What? Is this is a person who is proud. Yeah. He's proud of you. He's so proud of me. You know, and you think about that as the opposite of someone who wants to shrink you. Yeah. And it shows you that you're in a healthy relationship because the unhealthy is how can I make you small so that you're dependent on me? Yeah. The healthy is, how can I support you so you can grow and evolve into the most incredible person possible? Yeah. And that's exactly what he's trying to do.

1:37:16Always. Honestly, I think he's my soulmate. I know he's my soulmate. You know, I think it's so special, too, that you two are having a baby. I know. Isn't that? So good. Isn't that? Yeah. Are you, how do you feel about motherhood? I'm excited. It's like, I've always wanted to be a mom. Have you? I've always had it in me that I want to be a mum. It's something I've always said to my friends, you know, only obviously with the right partner at the right time, that it's something I've always wanted for my life. What are you most looking forward to, but also what are you most fearful of? I'm most looking forward to just being a family, like looking at something that's 50 % me and 50 % him, to actually, you know, having those moments of like serenity when you've got the baby at home and everything's peaceful and you're just even more in love than you were before.

1:38:12And I'm most fearful of just the complete life change that I'm about to go through. Like, I know that parenting is hard. Yes. It is, as I've been told, one of the hardest things you'll ever do, but one of the most rewarding things you'll ever do. And I think, you know, we've had our fun. Like, Jack's been a party boy when he was younger. I've been a party girl we've done everything we wanted to do we've travelled, we've had so many experiences and this is the right time for that stage in our life so even if it is going to get hard I know I've got the right support around me not just with him, with my mum I'm incredibly lucky with the position I'm in to be bringing a child into this world and so many people do it under much harder circumstances and they are successful and they love it so.

1:39:04Yes, yes. And the village is everything. Yeah. I think when you're bringing a child. So have we thought about names? No, not yet. No. And we're too early on sex. Yeah, well, no, we're not finding out on sex. I'm 21 weeks. I'm really far gone. Oh my gosh. Yeah. You're choosing not to? No. And he keeps wanting to cave now. And I'm like, no, babe, we've come this fall, told him for we're not finding out. Oh, really? So you're going to go all the way to the end? Yeah. Yeah. But a lot of people think it's a girl. Okay. What do you think? Well, it's like a nub theory thing. I've put up my scan. So people have been saying that because of some nub, whatever way it points, there's the gender and they think the mind one says a girl.

1:39:48I think, I do think a girl, but then sometimes I just change my mind. Okay. He keeps calling it she now. I'm like, baby, you really got to get your head off of this, like outcome because you're gonna be really shocked when a big pair of balls come out of it in november all right we've got to be ready for either outcome oh my gosh all right so then georgia on this note sorry i mean you said it there's this i mean i could have said a whole lot of things i'm not gonna say anything on that you said it it was good it was good i do have another surprise for you are you ready for this i've paid to get my makeup done start What is it?

1:40:27Your makeup looks great. I didn't know any of this happened. Close your eyes. Keep it close. Keep it close. Keep it close. I will. I don't cheat. All right. Now open it up. Take a look.

1:40:46Oh, I love it. Just in case. Just in case. You see what it says on there? We need to. Mommy, we need to talk. Oh, Paul, thank you so much. Shall I open it? Oh, my God. You can save that. Thank you so much. Yes, you are more than welcome. Oh, my God, you know you're going to get a picture there. This is going to be so cute. It's going to be. I mean, anything on a baby is cute, right? No, I love it. Oh, my gosh. So I think you may have a – I think it might be a boy. Do you think it's a boy? I think so. I had a weird feeling the other night that it could be. Yeah. I mean, either way. I'm blessed either way.

1:41:31I always thought I'd be a boy mum growing up because I hung around with boys more than girls. And I loved going around my boy mates' houses when it was all like mad and they're playing the video games and everyone's wrestling on the floor. But since everyone said it's a girl, I've come around to actually quite like a girl. So I'm happy either way. Yes, yes. All right. There's one last quick topic that I have for you. Whenever I think of your name and I think of you, your identity, I think of you as activist. Yeah. But most importantly, I think of you happy. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I think one key reason that you've been able to reach this place is your mother.

1:42:16Yeah, definitely. I've noticed how her name, or should I say you saying mom, has shown up throughout this conversation. Yeah. And she's been with you in the lowest points of your life, in the highest points in your life. And you said she's your plus one. Yeah. For your MBE. Yeah. You know what I mean? So on that note, I have a final surprise for you. I have one for mom. Final surprise. The best for last. Yeah. All right. You have to just take a listen to this one. Okay. This is a message from my daughter, Georgia. My beautiful, brilliant daughter. You've achieved more than I ever could have imagined.

1:42:52You're soon to be honoured with an MBA. Yes, my child is literally on the king's list. And soon I'll be happy to say another title that fills me with joy. Grandparent. The path you have walked wasn't always easy. Lies through your challenges and you didn't just face them, you tackled them head on. You stayed focused, stayed kind and always thought of others, even in your darkest days. You've not only been a wonderful daughter, you've been a source of strength, laughter and compassion to everyone around you. I love you, Georgia, deeply, unconditionally, forever. You made me proud in more ways than you'll ever know.

1:43:29Here's to you, my daughter, my hero, my soon-to-be mother of the most loved grandchild in history. May your journey ahead be even more extraordinary than the path behind you. It's been a ride. Love, Mum. God, wow. I'm really impressed by that. Aww. She said you are her hero. That's her speech. I know. She's mine, though. Aww, thank you so much, Paul. You are more than welcome. I love her so much. It's nice to hear, like, I don't know, things where she's saying that you were still a part of laughter and everything, even along those journeys. Because we have. Like we've had to still laugh through the storm.

1:44:14Do you know what I mean? And I'm lucky I've had my mom to do that with. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So, George, are you ready for the final question? Yeah. All right. Final question is this, is you have had some incredible conversations throughout your life. Yeah. But when you think of the most meaningful conversation, what was it? Who was it with? What did you learn? Oh, like with a family member. It could be with anyone. That's the beauty. It could be with anyone. I have to say one of the most meaningful conversations I probably had along my journey was when my tape did come out was with my dad. And it was just him saying, you know, he supports me.

1:45:00He understands me. He's got nothing to, I've got nothing to be ashamed of that, you know, we're all still here for me and that nothing's ever going to change. Because I think that was something I was really nervous to talk about with him. And hearing that made so much of my anxiety dissipate and so much of my strength flood in. And I'll always remember that. Yes, yes. You know, you are such an incredibly strong person. And I think that whole title of strength gets thrown around too easily. I'm a strong man. I'm a strong woman. I'm a strong whatever, right? But there's no question that you are strength personified, you know, and I think that you are going to be an incredible mother.

1:45:48I think you're going to continue to be an incredible partner. Do you believe marriage is on the cards? Oh, definitely one day. Yeah, we speak about it a lot. So, yeah. All right. I could see this. I could see him proposing soon, by the way. Yeah. I think you're going to be an incredible wife. You've obviously you've been an incredible daughter. but I think most importantly to all of us is you're an incredible human being. You know, you set such a great example for all of us to be inspired by, to aspire to. So this is just me saying thank you. Thank you, Paul. This has been like such an amazing experience for me and you are amazing at what you do.

1:46:27Like I've literally been taken for a journey of my life and it feels really, really good to end on this really positive note. See, that was a nice roll buster, wasn't it? It was a nice roller coaster. Did you enjoy it? Yeah, I did. Yeah. It was my first roller coaster ride. Yeah, well done. Yeah, thank you very much. No bird poo. Really good. Come out unscathed. Oh, my gosh. You know what was crazy is the one time I was going to get on a roller coaster was on Celebs Go Dating in Essex. Or what is it? South End. South End. Yeah. Yeah. They had shut down South End, that amusement park, and there was a roller coaster.

1:47:06and they were like, all right, Paul, I need you and Anna to get on this roller coaster. I said, I'm not getting on this thing. So I watched Anna loop by herself. It wasn't even loop, but I watched her go on by herself. But then ones do look a bit rickety. Yeah. Like if I was going to start, I'd go like, go to Old Towers or something. Yeah. Maybe not, maybe full part. Do something official. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But thank you.

1:47:34she's a superstar i'm i'm probably like many people who pigeonholed her as reality tv star and didn't appreciate her full identity uh and so i'm so happy that we had this opportunity to be able to unpack her entire story. Martin Luther King Jr. used to say, you know, faith is in essence not knowing that the step is going to be there, but you move forward anyway, right? And that's in essence how Georgia has moved through her life is that she has had this faith that her journey was going to take her to a better place. And it has. In particular, when Georgia was facing the revenge porn case against Stephen Bear, she admitted that she should have moved faster and she should have trusted her gut.

1:48:35Our gut, if you will, is shaped by all of our life experiences, good, bad, and indifferent. And she had reached a point where she realizes she should have. And that's the takeaway, is for us to lean more into our gut, in essence, to have more self-belief. One of the things I used to tell my mentees all the time is you want to surround yourself with three types of people. One is inspiration. Those are people who are actively doing the thing that you want to also be doing. You want to surround yourself with people who are aspirational, people who have done the thing that you want to do. and that you also want to surround yourself with people who are instructional, people who can tell you each step to get to the thing or the place that you want to be.

1:49:22Georgia Harrison is all three of those. That's how I selected my mentors early on in my life. And I think that that's the playbook. Like that is, if there's a quick hack to life, that's it.

1:49:43Thank you.