Real Housewives' PK: “I Knew It Was Over” The Truth About My Marriage & The Show

34:22I used to double down. I will get this bet right. Get this bet right. Yes. Had no regard for the global awareness of this show. None. Literally none. And I think even now, you look back 10 years ago, social media and Twitter was not then what it is now. Right. Right, the toxicity of it. you know the fact that a lot of it is not even human beings commenting it's bops and i know a lot i know a lot about that now and you know the rest unfortunately is history and i will maintain that i have absolute accountability for going down that avenue and and i made some very significant mistakes in not acting when i saw it going wrong right so then So, you know, and I think that when you're asking me these questions, it's got to be about my perspective because Dorit's got her own perspective.

35:20And I'm not, as I've said a million times before, she's the mother of my kids. Right. What she chooses to do and say about me is entirely up to her. Her versions, her perspectives, her truth are her truth. It doesn't mean they're the truth. Right. They're her truth. Right. I have my own. Right. I don't want that period of my life to define me. I don't want it to represent. Because the truth is, a lot of it is down to the editing. It is. And they create these scenarios that just didn't happen. Do you know what I mean? And the accusations and the rumor and the hearsay, and they whip it up and they love it.

36:02But there are victims. Yeah, and I'm not calling myself a victim. I'm not a victim. I'm out of it. Yeah, it was uncomfortable. but I don't want our kids to be victims of those decisions yes do you understand I don't and I won't allow that right and I won't allow when I say I won't allow I'm talking about not in a controlling sense I mean in an emotional context I will do my very best to not add fuel to what I'm trying not to allow right because it because you're trying you're trying to contain a fire I'm trying to contain a fire, but I'm also saying, okay, well, that's not my fire anymore. You want to blow that fire up.

36:44You want to create that fire and live in that fire. That's your choice. Right. I choose not to live in that fire anymore. All right. So then from just your relationship with television, if I look at that. So this is season, what is it? Season seven of Real Housewives, 2016. What was initially, what was your feel around reality TV? What was your take on it? I first of all believe that I had the most beautiful, charismatic, sharp, ferociously ambitious wife and I wanted to show her off. Okay. and I also felt because I've always been able to control direct storyline businesses yes you know and I'm wearing control previously I thought I was in control okay and even it's my simplistic moronic position and this is like oh Pico you really are an idiot I was like it's kind of cool to be a celebrity you get tables at the right time and yeah you know I joked about this I joked about this with James Corden right when he asked me after one year he said why do you do that show I said well I didn't want to be in the five to ten club so he said to me what do you mean I said well when you come to LA and nobody knows who you are and you want to get a table they offer you five or ten I see it so I say he goes where are you now I said eight o 'clock he goes yeah I'm 745 he goes do you know what I mean and that was kind of funny for me also I'd been in the public worlds but I've been public for many many years so for me yeah I had my ups and downs with publicity and all that but I wasn't really on social media right I wasn't aware of what that show can do and I'm not blaming that show on my divorce or my relationship or who I think Dorit is now versus who I think she was or who I am now I think the biggest question I have that will never be answered is is that is Dorit where she was always going to be and always going to end up or was I responsible for putting her in that world and then that world created what happened now?

39:21But there's no question that before we did that, like if you talk about happy times, I mean, I remember living in Tribeca. We had a beautiful apartment, Dorit and me, and then we had the baby. And life was pretty fucking good. You know, I used to have this big TV. I used to watch my football on a Sunday, Dorit made dinner on a Friday. We went and saw movies, took the baby for a walk. Who drove the bus into the wall? Me. Much like I had done many times in my life. But it's kind of like... The analogy is if you go and buy a candy store and then you say to your best friends and your lover and go and have what you want.

40:10it's our candy go eat right you gotta realize they're going to be consequences to that and you always rely on people to be aware and have certain disciplines and then you lose control of that you lose control of that whatever it is that thing that keeps moving forward and growing yes in a not always beautiful way and an ugly way and then the show likes to go back and only talk about bad things so then you start reporting on this and that and i'm like well what about that and then they build up this vision of who you are as a person who you are as a couple and you and then you start repeating it you start believing it and then suddenly you find yourself what are you talking about i'm nothing like that guy what are they showing i'm nothing like the person they're showing and then I'm looking at my wife and saying like who you right it's like it's scary when you look at it yes yes and you lose control of that of that thing oh that thing so so my wife and I in 2011 way back we were offered a reality TV show to follow our life right yeah and I was all for it I I was like, this is great.

41:33We should do it. My wife said, no. It's going to, it'll destroy us because we could lose ourselves. And what you're just saying to me is that it's this depiction of you. It sounds like what you're saying is that you lost yourself. There is a storyline that's created that's not you. It's bits and pieces of who you are, what the relationship is. And then, you know, I'm in reality TV. There's a double down on that storyline. We know that if it bleeds, it leads. So we know that the negative always rises to the top. But then I think what's so hard for me with Real Housewives in particular is that there's multiple people in the show.

42:23I'm sure there's a competition for the a no course yeah the a storyline and that's getting even worse I mean what I see now is Fractured Relationships fractured friendship broken marriages sadness money issues health issues and they're all doubled and trebled and some of them are steeped in truth and some of them have no truth and the audience seem to enjoy watching implosion and then they pick their side and they believe they know what they know because they listen to what somebody's saying i mean one of the weirdest things for me and it took a lot of discipline but I made a decision not to talk about it like I'm not you know we've talked we've spoken in very generic terms yes you know I'm not gonna come out and start saying that's not true that's not true that's not true that's how about the whole lot ain't true the whole lot ain't true and the only real victims are going to be the kids So I'm going to do what I can to protect them and to protect, you know, their lives and their journeys.

43:46And I'm not and I do not believe it's in their interest for me to publicly litigate our divorce. Right. Will I inevitably have to use the court system? I don't know. Maybe that's avoidable. Maybe it's not. Yeah. Right. But the reality is, is I know that I'm not free from blame for sure, but I'm not controlling the last two years and I wouldn't have encouraged it. And I would have strongly recommended in any capacity. My capacity is a manager. My capacity is a business guy. My capacity is a father and a husband. If I'd have had somebody would listen, I would have said that is the wrong thing to do.

44:32yeah right is is that why you left the show no it's not why i left the show i left to reed which is why i left the show and we were in a separation and then to read in fairness to her it was a big job and she had to continue and then to reach decided what narrative she'd do and at the point that she was doing that listen i'm not in that world anymore i'm you know i'm involved in business thank god again and i'm doing some great stuff and i i'm out of that world now but it's part of it's the like it's been the last 10 years of my life and you know i don't think anybody can sit there and say they're nothing to do with it i mean of course i'm part of the problem for sure yeah do i feel it's been fair and justified no i don't there are periods that i I know it's not fair.

45:26Yeah. But you have to still own the shit, don't you? I mean, who started it? You know, all that stuff. I didn't realise how much it would affect me emotionally and drain me and put me back into a place that I didn't want to be in. Do you understand? So then you say, well, how do you get out of this? How do you get out of this place? Fight your way out? Do you joke your way out? How do you get out of it? And I didn't manage to. If you could take us back there, if you're willing, to talk about the darkest moment so that we can understand how you felt and what was driving that emotion for you. I think there were a lot of dark moments.

46:12I think this sense of, for me, this inability that I experienced to be clear. I had no clarity. I had no clarity with my marriage, with that show, with business. I couldn't focus. That's when I decided to blame it on drink. and say, right, I'll give up drink and that will get me clear. And actually, there was enormous clarity when I did that. But I also learnt that that wasn't the issue. The issue was me and delving into all of the mistakes that I'd always made, seeing myself making the same mistakes, having that sense of deja vu, thinking about Loretta and the kids and the distance, it was too much distance between me and my older kids.

47:15I mean, thank God it's all, but I was too absent. I didn't want to be absent this time around. And then I was being accused of being absent, and I wasn't absent. But I think I was absent in terms of my ability to address how I was actually feeling. I actually made myself second. I didn't I still don't but I didn't love myself I didn't I didn't respect myself I was just doing it for this thing I'd lost even any thought as to why I was doing it and you just said something powerful so so today as you said do you love yourself not yet are you proud of yourself nope do you respect what you've created nope You don't?

48:07Not yet.

48:11I'm aware of what I've created. People like you, who show me respect and, you know, in a really beautiful way and say, this is amazing what you did. But no, I'm not there yet. You're not there, PK. No. You know, when you came in, before you came in, I was talking to different people. getting ready to interview PK and I'm just bragging about you thanks that is a bit shocking to me that you don't love yourself not yet how can I at the moment in terms of I'm always I'm always in a situation it's like at the moment I'm in this divorce situation you know my kids I'm worried about them I'm worried about them being affected I don't see this noise stopping the only way I can stop it is to remove myself from it I even was asked last night why am I doing this interview I said I don't I don't really know I'm in London I guess I've got a story to tell you asked me at the beginning maybe my lessons, maybe my journey can help someone else, right?

49:35Yes, yes. But I haven't finished my journey, and I definitely don't sit there in the mirror and go, oh, love you, PK. You know, that you read all, you have to start loving yourself, put yourself first. I'm not there yet. I'm not. Will I get there? I hope so. I really hope so. And it's, yeah, people are inspired by some of the things I've done. I think that I have a few ways to get better that I've not managed to do yet. Right. I know that I'm very affected emotionally and I'm very sensitive to, for example, social media commentary. People are so vile. And as it happens on my own feed, people are beautiful.

50:24Very rarely. but I've still had to block 1900 people in the last 12 months you know they write terrible things and then you say well why are you even reading it so the secret is definitely it's definitely not to read it but I because of the addictive nature of my personality it's difficult to do yes am I getting better at it 100 % don't even watch the show anymore don't watch it and I but but I can't avoid the clips and the trailers and the papers, what they say, and everybody around you, the people you love are affected. You know, people don't realize. My mum, you know, my dad's 88. He has to listen to his daughter-in-law speaking how she's speaking, and it affects him.

51:11So now he's trying not to see it. The good news is his eyes are going, so now he can't see it. It's hard. But I think that's something that a lot of people don't realize. it's incredibly nasty and unkind to troll, but the ripple effect that it creates in that person's life, their parents, their children. Yeah. It's unfair. And we've protected our kids. But I've always said to Dorit, don't do this. The kids are going to read it at some point. Don't do it. But I'm not in control of her decisions. Right. And she's not in control of my decisions. um are there from what you if if only if you'd like to to to say this are there any storylines from the show that are particularly challenging for you that you want to address not really i mean i don't think that i need to address storylines on the real housewives of beverly hills i think i'm better off to focus on my own healing my own growth i mean i look mauricio is one of my great friends now.

52:20So I took a beautiful friendship out of that show. Yes. Beautiful friendship. Transparent, honest. We share. We don't have any secrets. Such a great guy, inspirationally in business. But the world's got an opinion of him based on the show. So that was a gift from the show. I got a great friendship, funny enough, out of one of the producers, Alex Baskin. the big one okay i consider him a true friend of mine great guy so there have been some wins you know you know in terms of friendships um but everything else now it's not great would you ever do reality tv again it depends in what context so it depends what you call reality TV if I thought it was a positive uplifting beautiful thing to do that was going to help other people and be fun and funny and humorous and we got into a serious mode in this thing but I like to joke around I like to mess around yeah I'd do that yeah okay would I ever go anywhere near something that is as toxic as that again no no chance okay Hey there, we have conversations just like this one every week.

53:45So if you haven't already, hit follow and the bell icon, and I'll see you for the next one. So now, the cosmos, New York cosmos, that's lightning in a bottle. Yeah. How is it that you choose that path after this real estate career? Well, it wasn't as entirely removed as you think it might be. Because I was the vice chairman at Tottenham. So I had a passion for football. True. And I had connections in football. And I had an interest in, I had a big business in America. So I was aware of what was going on in the MLS very early. And I knew about the New York cosmos. I just knew about it, right? But I didn't know a lot.

54:31So it was a friend of mine who said, come and watch this documentary. So we watched a documentary that was called Lightning in a Bottle. Oh, my goodness. You have to watch it. Okay. And I was just so fascinated by it. So I set about finding out what had happened to the New York cosmos. And I found out that the intellectual property, the brand, all the trophies in the history was owned by a restaurateur in New Jersey called Pepe Pintop. And so I persuaded him to sell it to me. And I bought it with the very little money I had left. So I funded that entirely myself. Wow, look at that. and I set about, right, how are we going to get this going again?

55:14So I knew that I couldn't do anything with the Cosmos until I got hold of Pele. Because it's like a bad example but a good example. It's like buying Wham! without George Michael. You just can't do it. Or Culture Club without Boy George, right? The Cosmos without Pele, legacy-wise and history-wise, is worth nothing. Right. But you bought the club prior to meeting Pella. Yeah. Okay. And you bought it for, was it 2 million? 1.2 million. 1.2 million. Okay. 1.2 million. So a lot of money. Well, Paul, imagine, I'll say, we'll give you a New York analogy because you're from New York. Okay. Imagine the Yankees stop playing today.

56:01Don't play another game. Yes. And in 30 years time, you can buy the badge, the name, the IP, and the history for 1.2 million. I'm doing it. No, you're doing it in five minutes. You're doing it in five minutes. Yes. It was not expensive. So I did it and then the whole Pele journey was amazing. I mean, and what happened is... Yeah, I mean, all right, so you buy that. You then fly to Brazil. Yeah. Okay. You line up this meeting with Pele. I thought I'd lined up a meeting with Pele. and we were due to have dinner with him. I was very excited and we turned up, sat at the restaurant all night, never showed.

56:44No, look at this. So never showed, then I said to my mate, Terry, I said, I'm not, he goes, I said to him, you know I'm not leaving until we've met him. And he pulled out the box set of Sopranos. He says, I knew you were gonna say that. He goes, so here's some company. Yeah, I never watched The Sopranos. Here's some company. you start watching that fella I'll go find him seven days later I finished the box set of Sopranos and he found him wow and we went and met him in a recording studio and he was behind the glass the first time I saw him and it was just so iconic and so incredible and I was like oh my god so we went out for dinner with him after and I said to him listen I'm going to bring back the Cosmos and he told me how he loved it and it was a happy period of his time but it was all about money.

57:37I then raised some money for the Cosmos and I had enough money to offer Pelé a role so I offered him lifetime president and his role was to come and help me promote the relaunch of the Cosmos with a view to getting the MLS to give us the New York franchise and for us to call it the Cosmos. That was the big picture plan. I see it. So I'm going to take the new cosmos back to the American League and the story is beautiful they were the ones who bought soccer to America Pele was the one who bought soccer to America let's put Pele back as the king yeah it's a great story yeah it worked right the story worked in fact the whole deal worked but um irrespective of what's been written about it it was a fantastic deal and a fantastic experience what was it then the experience that you had managing pele as talent that then led you to managing boy george not entirely although absolutely they're related so what really happened is i was still managing pele okay and a friend of george's rang me and said boy george is looking for a new manager are you interested and i said what like boy george boy so you go yeah yeah so i said no i just want to clarify this you mean boy george because i thought i didn't know what boy george was doing and you know obviously flashback memories of me ringing the doorbell of his house and running away yes so he said yeah so this guy said all right he's going to call you so and he did and the phone went and I was in Beverly Hills at the time and I'm talking to him and I go hello boy George that's like I don't know hello mr.

59:31boy John we're calling him what am I calling him boy George I think I just had a hello boy George and he said well he goes I'm looking for a manager and I'm he goes do you manage Pele this is what he said do you manage Pele I said I do he He said, would you like to manage me? So I said, why do you want to be a soccer player? And he went, ha, bloody, ha, ha. And we didn't have a great call. We did not have a great call. And George will tell you this. He said to me, when I put the phone down, and I remember Dorit was in the house when I was talking, and I was going... So when I finished, I thought that went really badly.

1:00:16and I sent him a message. He said, hey, it was great to speak to you. I'm a lousy first date. I'm a much better second date. So I'd love to actually meet you. So he apparently liked that text. Right. Because he did think I was a bit of an arsehole. Did he? Yeah, he did. Okay. And then we arranged to meet three weeks later in New York. He was doing the Seth Meyers show. And we went out for dinner and that's where it started. And then the next day he came to my office in New York, which was on Broadway at Times Square and it was the Pele office and it was pretty beautiful and we had amazing and he came in and he goes, well this is what I want he goes, I want someone to manage the brand you know so he says, so what I want you to do is I want you to do the image, the brand but I want to do the music and I want to do the DJing and I don't want to do culture club and I said, whoa, whoa, whoa this is my exact line, I said I can't manage the tail of the donkey I have to manage the whole donkey And he goes, are you fucking calling me a donkey?

1:01:16I said, no, George, it's a metaphor. I'm saying, if I'm building something here and you're doing something ridiculous there, you're going to affect the value of what I'm doing. Right. So you either want me to manage the whole of you or I'm not the guy for you. And he went with it. Wow. And we've been together 2012 years. Look at that. Yeah. We're nowhere near done either. Nowhere near done. I've just come off the back of a coach club tour and yeah, we're having fun. I think the fact that you've been together, you said 12 years, so far 12 or 13 years is a great testament because many managers and their clients, they don't stay together that long.

1:01:57That's right. But you know, the truth is our relationship is very unique. I mean, the business management who handled all the money, I make the deals, but they said it and they look after Adele and they look after Duran Duran. and all these fabulous acts. And they said, the senior partner of this firm of account that says we're the most unique duo he's ever seen. Yes. He says it's totally crazy, but just works. It does. I mean, me and George, we fall out. We fall out. And I resigned four weeks ago, and he didn't even read my resignation. Really? Yeah, and then the following morning, he went, how are you?

1:02:32I'm fine, you? And we were just over it. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Well, then, on that note, PK, I do have a surprise for you. Oh, really? I would love, I would love for you to read this. Who's that? That's from George, isn't it? This is his handwriting. I'm just kidding. You know his handwriting. I do. All right. Oh, God. What's he written? I've got to read this. Could you read it out loud? Would you mind? No, I don't mind at all. Yeah.

1:03:05PK is a classic Leo who will fight for himself as hard as he fights for you. I love that he gets over stuff quickly. You get the roar and then laughter. He is part lion and part big kid. We have many things in common, and yet we are very different, which can cause friction. The good news is I've changed so much in the way I communicate with PK. We both overreact, I just mentioned that, but always find peace and humour. I've had to learn to handle a lion. It's easy. You just give them a cuddle. here's my friend first and manager second super sweet i love that i love that and he's right because i'm the easiest guy to get along with just be nice and give me a cuddle let me be seen that's all i really ever wanted do you know what i mean i think i i think i'm realizing that we may have even touched on that earlier on in this in this interview no yes we have yeah that's very sweet i'll get him to sign it i will i will hold on to that for you but i'll make sure that i give that back to you thank you uh at the end i i love that he touched upon so many of the literal words that you've used like lion yeah well he's very into zodiac very into it okay a very knowledgeable and it is for somebody i was never that into it i'm getting i started to invest much more in understanding certain talents that I've got.

1:04:34So I've got a little bit of clairvoyance in me and a little bit of mediumship in me. Okay. And I'm a great believer in tapping into outside help now. You know, there's come a time where I have to stop talking about what happened. And funnily enough, Boy George has been quite therapeutic on that because he's like, enough with the nostalgia. I know, enough with that, enough with that. Let's get on with now. Yes. And there is enough. The one thing that I gained through my career is I've got, really, truly, I've got a great deal of wisdom now. Most things I've seen, most corporate situations, financial situations, business situations, celebrity situations, I've seen it all.

1:05:26Yes. Right? and you keep that wisdom. And now when you're able to impart that wisdom with other people, suddenly you have the answers. And someone will say, well, how do you know that? And I thought, well, I guess it's wisdom through experience. Yes, it is. Do you know what I mean? And I can, and I want the next chapter in my life to be about that, to be about imparting wisdom, to share experience and say, well, don't do that. Well, why not? because if you do that, this is going to happen. Yes. How do you know? Because I know. Do you know what I mean? And it's kind of, and I think maybe, I'm pleased to say, I'd like to say, maybe one of the reasons I did do this chat was to start that journey of saying, actually, I've got some wisdom to offer.

1:06:15And, you know, maybe this platform is something that will say then this book, so, well, why don't you write a book about it? Or why don't you do that? Yes. I don't know. Yes. Why don't you actually, The show's called We Need to Talk. Yes. Maybe I do need to talk. You do. To me, your story is one of resilience. You've been knocked down, and you get back up, and you get back on the journey. And then you're knocked down again, you get back up, and you get back on the journey. And then you're knocked down again, and you continually do this. So you are, to me, PK, you are a story of resilience. Thank you.

1:06:54You've done that here in the UK. You've done that in the United States. And what I love is that you admittedly are just getting back up today. I'm always getting back up. And you know what? I always will because I've got five kids that I have to get back up for. And I don't want to give them, I don't want them to think that they can't get back up. Do you understand? So you get back up for them? I get back up for them. I get back up for my friends and my family, and I hope one day that I'm getting back up for myself. But at the moment, I don't know if I'm doing that yet. Okay. Yeah. I'll have to work that bit out.

1:07:37Well, my hope is that you can get back up for yourself. Thanks, man. Truly. Yeah. Truly. And I think that you can find inspiration through other people, but ultimately the source of that has to come from you. That is the source. That's the internal validation. It has to come from you. Yeah. Do you know what, Paul? I'm pleased to say I know that. I understand it. Putting it into action is not always easy. All right. So then last question, PK. Everyone gets this. Yeah. Is you've had some incredible conversations throughout your life with incredible people. Which one stands out the most? So who was the conversation with and what did you learn?

1:08:24Wow. That's the sort of question you really have to think about. Yes. I think the conversation, the most profound conversation I've ever had was with my late brother-in-law, who was Loretta, my first wife's brother, who passed through nodular melanoma at the age of 37.

1:08:49in 2005 and it was diagnosed a year to the date that he passed, so it was diagnosed a year before and we went to this brilliant surgeon who's still around now, I mean his name's Kieran Healy and he was really honest and I happened to be in the room and he said this is incurable he said and I think to give everybody else hope I think medicine's come on since then right but at that point it was incurable and he said to Raz who was the name of it was called Darren but we called him Raz he said look we can try and you're going to be so sick for 12 months he goes and we're not going to we're not going to get it done he said or he said we can ignore it he said and you'll be sick for three weeks he says and then you're gonna pass he says but you can have 11 months and a week but the most profound conversation was the conversation with raz what do you want to do yes and he and i said look i was starting to do really well in there i've got enough money for us to go and have some fun so he said bring in my six seven mates and let's just go and have some fun the following day i I bought my Ferrari.

1:10:12I said, all right, that's day one. And we just flew everywhere and we did great things. So I guess the most profound conversation I ever had was talking to someone who had to choose between fighting for life or accepting the circumstances and living. That's probably it. That's profound. Yeah, man. That one's going to stay with me. Yeah. Yeah. Rest in peace, Raz. Rest in peace, Raz. Yeah. Or as they say now, rest in power. Rest in power. Yeah. Absolutely. Thank you for sharing that. Pleasure. Yeah, that one's going to stay with me. I've enjoyed talking with you. You too. Mr. PK, I don't believe he's ever sat down and unpacked his story in the way that we did today.

1:10:59And I believe that even now, as he walks to his car, as he goes home, he'll begin to discover even more patterns about his life. You could seemingly have it all and also have nothing. And I think his story depicts that. He was always chasing the next, the next, the next. And he accumulated a substantial amount of wealth. And as he said, he was his most unhappy at the height of his material wealth. It makes me think about the why, ultimately the why. and how important it is to be able to answer the why. And I liked his thought around, does reality TV unveil, or should I say reveal, someone's true character, or does it shape your character into something else?

1:11:56It makes you see things differently. Even myself, I feel like I've become desensitized now to certain things that could be considered highly traumatic or highly toxic, now I feel like, oh, that's just part of everyday life. So it does, without a doubt. What we're doing here is, this is not therapy. This is literally holding space for our guests. And you could see how there's this relief of, I feel lighter as a result. This is hopefully an example of what more of us can do in our everyday life with our loved ones. we all need to talk. These podcasts get me in trouble all the time. Selling Sunset, how do you even navigate that opportunity?

1:12:44I was like, well, f*** it. And then I got there and I was like, what is wrong with you people? I mean business, I'm about my business. I'm here to f*** this s*** up. You want to be a b***h? I'll be a c***. Let's do it. Oh, wrong finger. So at 16, you were on your own. You did not have a childhood. Well, actually, it was way more traumatic than that. So at the club, what were you doing? Bottle service. I had this client. He ended up giving me the biggest tip they've ever had. How much was the tip? $0.00. He was one of the biggest names in football. When we got together, the partying and all of the stuff, and the self-medicating, I thought was just a kid that got money and just got the new life.

1:13:27I've always heard that he went on this$5 million bender. He did. His plan was to spend all of his money. What was it about Nick? He taught me that I don't need to be toxic. I don't need to yell at you. It's just so healthy and normal, and people think that it's not. I think they're thinking about the non-monogamy. Nick's always been a playboy. Everybody knows that. Truthfully, is there any level of jealousy?

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