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21:13You're definitely not going to the Fishkill landfill for fun. It's not fun. You're going if you've lost a body or a wedding ring. That's the only reason you're going. Or I want to. Or you want to do one of those things. Maybe at the same time, a body and a wedding ring, One-stop shopping at the Fishkill dump. But I do know people who go to the dump, like they find treasures in the dump. Okay. Yeah. It doesn't sound that fun to me, but it's something that Mel...

21:42Heidi Raykeil:I mean, I'll do goodwill, but there's some sort of sorting principle in place there, and it wasn't among the garbage first. Yeah. You've won a filter between you and the garbage. That's fair. They also, and I have to say, I actually like kind of almost threw up a little bit because I hate this. They let their dogs lick the plates before going in the dishwasher. I go to a lot of places and the dog is licking the plates. Even if they're in the dishwasher, it really yucks me out. It's really gross. Yeah, my needle has moved on this for sure. I have a dog. She's 11. And it definitely was like an absolutely not in 2011, whatever it was that does sort of slowly move towards, not that it's something I look forward to, but it's something I, you know, don't like scream across the room to stop her from doing.

22:29Heidi Raykeil:Yeah. I see why it would be gross if you didn't have a dog. Yeah. It's gross. And I'm the same with like people who use interchangeable, but there's like a famous meme that's like, when you were growing up, you had the bowl and it was for like washing your feet, puking into and like serving the jello. one bowl and it had to serve all the purposes. And it's funny that like, yeah, there's a famous, like one of the housewives at some point was like, I have to buy my own, I have to build my own house because living in someone else's house is skeevy for me. And it was like, Teresa, I was trying to pretend that I wasn't that deep in the housewives in me, but okay, fine.

23:10It was Teresa. You're like, it was Teresa. It's fine. And I was like, I know who it was. It was Teresa. But like, that's a hilarious concept. Like I can't live in someone else's house. That's gross. But yes, I don't want your dog licking a bowl. I don't want the dog to be served food out of a bowl that tomorrow I'm eating pasta out of. I don't want it in the mix. I want them separated.

23:30Heidi Raykeil:It goes back in the mix. Like you may or may not. Right. You want to know which one it is. There was a special plate at Sadiq's house. She says the red plate had writing on it. You are special today. And in our house, we got to use it for dinner when we had a good performance or a good grade. I thought this was standard issue in every house had a you are special today plate. It should. We had a plates with our names on them. The big thing now, let me see if I can tap a like deep memory for you. Did you have little bloomies underwear when you were growing up? Little bloomies? No, I don't think so.

24:03Oh, they were like a very 70s. They were from Bloomingdale's.

24:09Heidi Raykeil:Oh, okay. Well, there you go. No, I didn't. My grandmother. I mean, Bloomingdale's was like, where the super elite people shopped. They would kick you sad at Bloomingdale's if they saw us, you know, skulking around the aisles. But every year at Christmas time, we would get Bloomies underwear that had the days of the week on the back of the butt. Oh, I mean, I remember seeing this in a catalog and thinking, like, I only dream of such riches. Yeah. It was the height of elegance. You would open that gift on Christmas morning and it was like, it's the little plumy sundar wear and they had the days of the week written on the butt and they were the height of all things glamorous and wonderful elizabeth says anytime we leave a family member's house mainly grandpa's house we beep the horn twice after we pull out of the driveway i always thought this was normal until my husband was like there's nothing in the road why are you beeping that's the leaving beep that's the goodbye huh yeah she said it's the We are officially leaving now beeping.

25:10Totally reasonable. Team Elizabeth on that one. Although I live in a kind of small town. There's no busing. So like we're all in our cars or I'll pick up and stuff. And I'm constantly beeping at people who I see walking down the street. And they don't know it's me. I'm in a gray minivan like everybody else. And then the people in front of me like turn around and get mad at me because they think I'm beeping at them. I think I need to stop my beeping habit. I love a good like beep beep. Hi. But people do not take it that way. They're like, see, yeah.

25:40Heidi Raykeil:If I heard a beep beep, I wouldn't even like acknowledge it if I was in a car. Cause I'm like, that's clearly meant for somebody walking by. That's a friendly beep. That's a friendly beep. They need to have a horn with different buttons. Now they have a sign that goes in your back window and it spells different things out, like back off or like you could put a message in your back window. Like a, you know, the news ticker that like goes by and that like really, you know, pixelated font. Stop tailgating. I love that. Yeah. So you could put different messages to people. Oh boy. Delaney's mom used to make them hot toddies when they were kids.

26:13And she was 24 years old. She was on a camping trip. Someone brought hot toddies and she was like, oh, wow, I haven't had one since I was a kid. And they were slightly appalled.

26:25Heidi Raykeil:Delaney's mom's hot toddies were oval team with marshmallows. Yeah, this was a big thing in my house. Hot milk before bed. That's what put you to sleep in my house. Definitely just like a marketing, right? Like, I mean, I have no problem with it. The idea that it like it helps you, I think is probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure that's right. But yeah, warm milk before bed was always like, if you were having trouble sleeping, my mom was like, I'll make you some warm milk. Yes. And that Ovaltine, rich chocolate Ovaltine was not in fact Swiss mess. It was a whole other order of healthy beverage.

26:56Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was healthy for you. It was like cigarettes. It was healthy for you at one point.

27:00Heidi Raykeil:Right. Warm milk with Ovaltine was was actual drinking vitamins. Yeah. Liz says, and this is definitely how I was raised, raised right, Amy, at the movie theater, waiting to open and eat our movie candy until the previews were over and the movie had begun. Absolutely the role in our house growing up. Because otherwise you're done. No, you everything sat pristine. And then the end of the previews when like, you know, the logo, the M the lion roared, it was time to start eating the candy.

27:35Heidi Raykeil:that's when you could open your candy. I appreciate that because I will get Twizzlers at the movies. Those are my weakness. Oh, you always say that. And it is so depressing to me. I want you to be happier than having Twizzlers as a favorite candy. Your favorite candy is wax. I just sent this to my kids because my kids have the same opinion. There was a guy on Instagram put up a meme saying that Twizzlers taste like they were almost a toy. Oh my God. It's perfect. Right? And at the last second, like, you can eat them. I love Twizzlers. I thought the joke was going to be almost a candy, but it's so much better.

28:06Heidi Raykeil:Yeah. It's like they were almost a toy. And then, yeah, last second they were made into a foodstuff. It's like your favorite treat is like wood bark. I eat them and eat them until they're gone. I can't. I think it's the mouthfeel. They do have good mouthfeel, but the taste is too abhorrent. It's basically eating. It's solid cough syrup. What if Twizzlers wanted to sponsor us after all this time? Well, they could because, I mean, maybe they would be mad that I've said such mean things about them. But you're like, you should be the international spokesperson for Twizzlers. Because I do. I love them.

28:36Heidi Raykeil:My mother loved them and I love them. You legit love them. But I would argue, don't you think the previews are so much longer at the movies than they used to be? Like, I could have abided by this rule in, you know, 79. Now, I mean, my God. But I wish I could do it because truly every time I go to the movies, which is not that often anymore, I'm like sick and full and miserable and the movie hasn't started yet we've got like three more Jennifer Lawrence movies to get to before you know previews before we even get to the point where we're thinking of seeing something all right we have some really random ones Amy but I don't know if anyone's gonna best Megan in her family they would butter people's noses on their birthday exactly as it sounds put some butter on a finger sneak up behind the person wipe it on their nose and say happy birthday.

29:22It was a tradition passed out in my grandpa's family. He had no idea it wasn't a thing. Megan, I'm laughing so hard at this.

29:29Heidi Raykeil:You'd have to get up early. You have to soften the butter. You have to be like, oh, it's like, it's Margaret's birthday. I got to get up. You've got to soften butter. You would say, oh my God, it's Margaret's birthday. I have to get up early to get the butter out of the refrigerator so it's soft by the time she comes downstairs so I can sneak up behind her. Yeah. So I can butter nose. Sure. Got to soften that butter so I could do some nose buttering. I will say this was one of our beloved ones where I was like, okay, Megan's family needs an intervention. They're clearly all deeply deranged. And like four other people were like, oh, yeah, we did that buttering noses.

30:00And then someone said, like, I think this was a thing in Western Canada. Are you from Canada? And she was like, no, no, I'm from somewhere else. And I mean, people were not like appalled by the idea of buttering. There's a large part of me that's like, oh, it's a thing in my house now, like starting now it is. No. If you ever butter my nose, we will have to part forever. It's not like a whipped cream pie in the face.

30:21Heidi Raykeil:It's a little gentler. It's not appealing to me, having someone put butter on my face. No. And sneaking up on me. There's nothing about buttered noses that I want. This was another one that I was like, again, completely appalling and deranged. And 10 people were like, oh, yeah, we do that too. Julie says, we put the tooth in a cup of water by our bed instead of under a pillow. Then the tooth fairy puts coins in the cup of water. What if you drink the water in the middle of the night? First of all, gross. Well, spoiler alert, Amy. Way to spoil the episode. Megan said, Julie, my husband's family did that until someone drank a tooth by accident.

30:57A tooth or a coin, right?

30:59Heidi Raykeil:Which would be a real problem if you got like a quarter in your windpipe. They would both be bad. Why in the water? I mean, just leave it on the... Monica says... Leave it on the nightstand. I just feel like why would you want to interact more with teeth? Like, why involve another gross element of an already gross interaction? Water. Like, a tooth is the grossest thing on Earth, except for a tooth and a cup of water, which is somehow slightly grosser. It is so funny that we, like, keep it around. Like, we don't just immediately throw it out, which would probably be better for everyone. And so we're like, well, hang on to this.

31:31Keep it right next to your bed. I bet there's some. I bet you could do a deep dive and find some reason for that. There's some deep biological mythical reason why people were like, hold on to teeth. There's a use for them. I bet there's a reason for that. Monica says, and this is hilarious, there's a great kids book responding to Julie, Throw Your Tooth on the Roof. It's about what kids all over the world do with their teeth when they fall out. Oh, all right. So we're going to get this book. And she said this was in there. Yeah, Throw Your Tooth on the Roof. Someone read it for us, please, and tell us all the different ways.

32:06Heidi Raykeil:but um if we can find it i'll put a link in the show notes because of course i want to read it now yeah throw your tooth on the roof yeah it sounds fun and it's kind of funny like i think there's something about that that's very magical for kids i remember talking to my when i first i went i did an exchange when i was in high school with france and i remember the revelation that french like the noises that animals make are different in different countries and that That knocked me out. I thought it was the funniest, coolest thing ever that like, because it was a brand, a French clothing brand that was called, and now I can't remember, whatever French pigs say, like instead of oink oink, they say like, co-shoe, co-shoe, or whatever they say.

32:53And it was the name of a clothing brand. I was like, what does it mean? It's the noise a pig makes. And I was like, what in the absolute heck is

32:59Heidi Raykeil:wrong with you people? I remember in my French class in high school, a kid raising his hand bewildered asking why would the animals, you know, sound different in France than they did in the United States. Like you thought the animals were different. Yeah, it's so funny. There's some TikToks where people do all the different ones. And it's really funny because like, it's like rooster and it's like cuckoo choo. And then like, it's like cock a doodle doo. And it's like cuckoo, cuckoo. And then someone's like, like, it's just really funny that like there's always one where you're like, what are you?

33:32What kind of roosters do you have over there? That is not what they sound like.

33:35Heidi Raykeil:Although there are sometimes ones that you think that you're like, oh, that is that they're right. That's what it says. Yeah, that is a little better. That is a little better. Yeah, it's better than oink oink. Oink oink is a weird. Yeah, oink oink. Oink oink is not really what the pig says. Not really what they say. I get it. They're like, yeah, I kind of get it. All right, we will be back with even more funny family traditions after this. New Maybelline Serum Lipstick. Maybe it's not just lipstick. It's lush color with endless possibilities. It's serum infused with a hyaluronic acid and oil blend for eight-hour plumping moisture in tone-enhancing shades.

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35:01And now, time at home versus time at grandma's house. From the What Fresh Hell podcast, at home.

35:09Heidi Raykeil:You, sir, are in time out. You can sit there until you can behave correctly at grandma's house. Come here, you precious little prince. Why don't we have some cookies until you don't feel like biting anymore? At home. Come on, upstairs. A strict bedtime makes for a happy home. At Grandma's house. Of course we can watch another episode. It's only, oh, quarter to midnight. At home. One of our core values is a lack of dependence on material things. At Grandma's house. Yoo-hoo, I've got presents. I just saw a few dozen things at the cute little toy store down the street, and I knew my munchkins had to have them.

35:54Heidi Raykeil:At home. My children know they can tell me anything. At Grandma's house. Shh, don't tell mommy. We stopped for ice cream on the way home from the candy store. What she doesn't know won't hurt her. This has been Time at Home vs. Time at Grandma's House. From the Wet Fresh Hell podcast.

36:24Heidi Raykeil:Colleen put chili over mashed potatoes. I mean... I'll allow it. It doesn't sound bad, I was going to say. Mikey, husband's family, ketchup on taco salad. Disgusting. Ketchup on anything is disgusting. No. How dare you? Stop it. Lauren puts salt on French toast. I didn't find out until I went to camp that that was weird, but I still do it. Try it sometime. Kristen's family salts everything on their plates before tasting it. And she also realizes that everyone calls it supper. We definitely called it supper growing up in our house. We did not. We called it dinner. Uh-huh. No. We did not. We called it dinner.

37:00Heidi Raykeil:My grandmother, my tweet tweet grandmother called it breakfast, dinner, supper. Yeah, that's a weird one. Because the big meal of the day was in the middle of the day. Like her grandparents were like farmers. Yeah. And so in supper was just a little bit of soup before bed. Yeah. I'm a salt fiend. Salt on French toast. Salt on savory stuff. I feel like that's coming, you know, salted caramel. Like we're getting it. Like salt on sweet stuff is delicious. Salt everything. thing. Sherry says, growing up in her house, spaghetti sauce was always made with Italian sausage, fresh veggies, and sauce over pasta.

37:31It wasn't until I got married that my husband told me this was weird. And most people use ground beef and mixes the sauce with the pasta. I can't eat it that way. It grosses me out to have it all mixed together for some reason. I see why it's gross, and yet it's the only thing we will eat in my house.

37:48Heidi Raykeil:Like a bolognese. We do ground beef, but you strain the ground beef afterwards. Otherwise, it's a greasy sauce. Disgusting. Strain the ground beef. Little red go on top. Throw it over the spaghetti. Bada bing, bada boom. Dinner's ready. So wait, let me understand. You have the drained ground beef and you don't put this in a tomato sauce and mix it. No, no, no. Sauce goes right on top. Then that goes over the, yeah, it's spaghetti and meat sauce. I thought you were saying pasta, then some ground beef, then ladle some sauce over the top of that. Okay, all right, good, good, good. Okay. Just making sure.

38:21No, no, no, no, no. That's monstrous. I'm not a monster, Amy. We got a Sima. Oh, breakfast link sausage and egg noodles with applesauce on the side for dinner. It was a favorite at our house, but it's so bizarre. I mean, that is... Oh, my kids would eat that. It's like German. That sounds like German food, like a little schnitzel or whatever they call it. It's gross to me, but I feel applesauce is one of those things that it's just gross to me. I mean, And I don't mind it by itself, but I don't want it. It spreads all over the plate. It's nasty. Oh, I feel like it's a food for kids.

38:54Heidi Raykeil:Like it's I'm not allowed to have it anymore. And I'm fine with that. Correct. No, I don't want to eat applesauce. Amy, we're back to a holiday. Mikey's family celebrate St. Patrick's Day by messing up the house at night and saying the leprechauns did it. I feel like this has become it's like the elf on the shelf. I feel so sorry for the parents of today that also have to do this whole leprechaun trap. Pomp and circumstance for leprechaun traps. So I'm surprised that this was going on that long ago. So maybe it is a tradition and not something that was made up five years ago by somebody on Instagram.

39:24Heidi Raykeil:I thought it was. Katie says breakfast in bed for Mother's and Father's Day. We do this at my house. But she says she thinks eating in bed is gross. No, Katie, you have to have breakfast in bed. I mean, it is a hot mess, especially when the kids were little. They would bring in some version of... I mean, they would do it up like pancakes and eggs and bacon and then like a nice like wine glass with apples, applesauce. I have it on the brain with orange juice. And then they would serve it to me and then they would begin piling on top of me and wrestling all around me. It wasn't a good idea, but it was sort of a cute tradition.

40:00Heidi Raykeil:It's all about like, do you remember being that kid and like bearing in the tray before you like the Hope Diamond was on it? Like nothing more exciting has ever been made. Yes. So that's what you're doing it for, really. Amy, we have another thing to learn from the Dutch. I feel like this would speak to you. We know that we are Danish babies. We're Dutch fans. Yeah. We like to go outside even though it's cold. That makes us Danish babies. We like hygge and being cozy. We like hygge. We like being cozy in the cold. You know, Erica says maybe this is from being Dutch. Are you familiar with perpetual calendars?

40:38They list all the dates in a month without assigning them to a day of the week, so you can put all your birthdays and anniversaries and everything on them. My family always hung these in the bathroom on the ground floor. So when I was trying to get one for myself, I was asking people where to get a Dutch bathroom calendar. As you can imagine, that name didn't get a lot of recognition. If you type that into Google, you'd probably get no results. You'd probably get the rare, like, I'm sorry, I don't know what that is. Seems like a good idea, though. Like one calendar for all the things that don't change.

41:08My mom has this, like that.

41:10Heidi Raykeil:And I know my brother and she, and we are not, we definitely never called it a Dutch bathroom calendar. It was just the kind of calendar mom has, right? That it would just keeps track of every year. Somebody's birthday is October 11th and somebody's anniversary is October 15th. Yeah. It seems smart to me. It's not Dutch though, Erica. So just, you know, don't think you're special. You could put it in the bathroom. It's not a Dutch bathroom. It's not Dutch and it doesn't belong in the bathroom. So it's just a, it's just a calendar. A Betty Jo. This one's an interesting one. Her family would go out into the woods each autumn and go mushroom hunting.

41:44Heidi Raykeil:When one of us would find a little spongy treasure, we would yell gold and my dad would come running up to make sure it wasn't a poisonous variety. On the way home, we would get hot apple cider and cinnamon donuts. And then when we got home, we would all sit around the table eating the grilled mushrooms we have found. I truly thought everyone did this, but I have yet to find everyone else who ever went mushroom hunting. God, like, it feels like the downside is considerable unless you really have a mushroom expert in the family. No, no, no. Wait, but didn't her dad would check if they were, yeah, her dad would come running over to make sure it was not a poisonous variety.

42:19Do you think Betty Jo's father was a mycologist?

42:21Heidi Raykeil:I just looked it up. That's what you call a mushroom expert, a mycologist. I know that because in a series of unfortunate events, series. One of the kids is a mycologist. So I guess it's possible. But yeah, I would be like, I want to make sure you were like an advanced mycologist. You had your doctorate in mycology before you tell me this mushroom's fine and this mushroom isn't. We had blackberry bushes in these like little woods behind our house. And we would go out and pick blackberries and bring them home and eat them. And I mean, we were pretty much city mice. And we found that to be like we were living off the land.

42:59It was the most exciting thing. And I feel like a lot of kids probably just live like this who are on farms and stuff. Go out and pick strawberries and eat them and stuff. For us, it was like we picked these out from the woods and we are going to put them in our mouth. Like it was fascinating to us that you could eat something they grew. It's so different.

43:22Heidi Raykeil:It's not the same as like picking apples at a farm. No, no, no. If you have to get in a car and go there, it's where pumpkin, right? Or it's like, here they are, the things for you to pick and put in the basket that's right here on the ground. Like they do 99 % of the work for you. It's right, right. And there's like a dancing scarecrow. And like, you know, yeah, you can get chicken fingers at the shack and stuff. Yeah. I mean, but yeah, just like raspberries on a bush in the woods is pretty great. But I'm not a mycologist. Yeah, I feel like fall traditions for me are very locked in, like pumpkin patching.

43:57And we had a, someone who worked with my dad had a farm upstate and we would go up to the farm, pick apples. It wasn't quite, it was a little bit of a mix between like the apple picking place and like a real farm. And then we would stop for apple cider donuts on the way home. And I mean, it's just, it's good times. It's good memories, Amy.

44:19Heidi Raykeil:I'm here for the apple cider donuts. Those are so good. Well, my son recently went with friends to a apple picking adventure. And I was like, listen to me. I can't believe what I say. Do not come home without apple cider donuts. Do you hear me? This is an apple cider donut picking adventure. Do you hear me? This is serious. And did he come home with apple cider donuts? Yeah. I mean, it's non-negotiable. And yeah, I mean, coming up, we're in the Halloween season. We're going to finish strong, Amy, with Halloween. Okay. All right. Let's. Anna's parents, her evil genius parents, gave them one week to eat as much of our Halloween candy before they took it to their offices.

45:00They were so sick of candy for months afterwards. I did not know about leftover Halloween candy until I heard a random Gilmore Girls episode in college.

45:10Heidi Raykeil:Like she just thought it disappeared, like your tooth when you leave it out for the tooth fairy? Like it goes away after a week. Yeah. Or that people just took it away from you after a week. Like there was no such thing as like finding it in November. Oh, that was just what everybody did. Yeah. That like it disappeared. I feel like this is a dialogue that I think we can all dial out of. Like what Halloween candy? Do you know about the Switch Witch? No. Like it gives you like smoothies instead? A Switch Witch comes and gives you a small toy in exchange for your leftover Halloween candy, because we all now have to, on top of everything else we're doing, find a solution to kids eating Halloween candy.

45:51Heidi Raykeil:Right, once a year. Here's the thing with Halloween candy. Your kids are going to binge on it. It's going to be kind of gross. They're going to poop weird for a week. And you're done with Halloween. Like it's, I don't know. I don't care about Halloween candy. They do kind of forget it. We're in New York City. So our kids trick or treat around our apartment building. It's easy to really come home with like more candy than you can carry almost. Correct. My kids have to stop when their pillowcases are too heavy. But even so, right. And then we're talking about older kids. Maybe younger kids are different.

46:19Heidi Raykeil:But yeah, you just let them gorge themselves for one day, maybe even the next day too. And then all of a sudden, it's six weeks later and the candy's still in their room and you just kind of, I do spirit it away one day. Yeah. But like when they stop caring. Yeah. But like it's only when it's down to like mostly rappers and like three like things in the bottom. I will say Halloween. I'm like a football coach. I gather the kids around. They're getting their aging out, unfortunately. But I'm like, let's focus, people. This is what we've trained for. We're not here to pick up Smarties. We're not here to pick up now and laters.

46:50Get in Plenties. We're looking for$100 ,000 grand bars. Looking for Snickers. Forget Three Musketeers. Nobody wants them. Move on. I have a whole like i'm doing x's and o's on the board before they send them out I got very serious opinions on what we're looking for.

47:08Heidi Raykeil:I'll be your switch which i'll take your twizzlers and i'll give you Oh, you know, whatever my kids know not to come home with twizzlers in the bag I'm like not to this house in our family our tradition. I don't want candy corn And I definitely like if they are trying to give you that bag of pretzels walk away walk away Be like ma 'am. I'm sorry. My mom will not let me ever come to this house again and forget about a pencil Well said. Well, this was a super fun episode and I'll put the link to the original question and answer in the show notes too. So you can check that out. And if you're not in our Facebook group, it's facebook.com slash groups slash what fresh hell cast.

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48:19Thanks everybody.

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