DEEP DIVE: Better Then? Or Better Now?

18:32Amy Wilson:Tim Curry, I think, is the guy who does the reading. He does incredible. It's a million voices and lots of funny voices, but there's a very obnoxious child in it. So there's this little girl who's like the Violet Beauregard character and her name is Carmelita Spatz, which is such a great name. But whenever they, she's like, I am a ballerina, tap dancing, veterinarian, movie star. You know, like she's always identifying by like all these things she wants to be in her dreams. And it's like, that's right. We now live in the Carmelita Spatz version where we can be like, I mean, both of us tried to be movie stars, Amy.

19:07Amy Wilson:That was our career goal. You know what I mean? And now we found, you know, maybe something even better than being a movie star, being a podcaster. Who wants to be a movie star? I certainly don't. I don't. I'm better than that. I'm a podcaster. Are they really happy? Just ask yourself that. Not as happy as us, Amy, talking to each other. All this to say, I think lunch is kind of the same. Like there's a peaceful joy in being like, it's turkey on rye every day. and there's a wonder in like, if I think it, I can door dash it into my mouth. You know, it's one of the things that we could most get a reaction out of our children.

19:41My husband will regale the kids with like lunch hour every day, West Grant in high school, right? I'd walk down the street, I forget the name of the deli, get a ham and cheese hoagie, a side of Funyuns, and he'd have like a strawberry soda or something that like beggars description. Strawberry soda is so good. every day. And the kids are like, what? And they think that's hilarious. But it was lunches for kids was definitely better than because I was all I had to be. Like, I didn't have any expectation that there would be anything in the refrigerator besides cold cuts. And now my kids are like, cold cuts.

20:15Amy Wilson:They're like, totally turn up their nose. Where is my bowl? What are those bowls called that everyone likes now? Asahi bowl. Like, come on. Again, much as your mom was not like cake pops for Jacob. She was definitely not like, I better have fresh asahi bowls waiting for Amy when she gets home from school. Yeah, exactly. Which is not to say the Japanese beer asahi. She would never give us that. No, no. But I mean, more likely that than an actual asahi bowl. If you don't, I feel like this is a very East Coast thing, but it's like a bowl full of like fruits and yogurt or something. I don't understand it.

20:49I'm going to say it's just a smoothie in a bowl with granola on top of it. I'm like, just put it in a cup with the straw. I don't understand. Yeah.

20:55Amy Wilson:Yeah. It's mysterious, but I'm going to say it's a tie. There's pros and cons to each. Okay. All right. Amy, let's talk about music. I like this one. This is on our list. Music better than or better now? I mean, I think absolutely better than. And I wonder if I'm just old. And that's why I think that because everybody old would say that about their then and now, so to speak. 80s songs had a plot. They were definitely catchy. You haven't even said anything old, but I have to give you an oldie locks alert just for sounding so old. Back in my day, 80s songs has a plot is something that me ma yells at her grandchildren.

21:31There was a beginning, middle and an end. There were videos that were like fever dreams when you watch them now. But what was great about the 80s is looking like Madonna. Like, you know, she was beautiful and all, but looking like Madonna was completely possible if you had enough rubber bracelets and some tights in your door and enough eye makeup.

21:48Amy Wilson:I mean, I did look like Madonna every single day. That was my look. Back in the 80s, they just like did their own thing. Don't forget rhinestone bracelets. They went with the rubber bands. Boy George, Cyndi Lauper. These were my style icons, at least in my head. But they seemed like attainable in a way that I don't know. Like Lady Gaga does not. Yeah. You're not going to wear a meat dress or like I'm trying to think of a cootist. Like their bodies are so gorgeous, but also like improbable. Like I could never look like that. Like Lil' Kim is not like, sure, I could throw something together with what I have in my closet.

22:18Yeah.

22:18Amy Wilson:I'm going to say, again, how we define this makes a big difference. Okay. One of the biggest, like, back in my day, kids, you'll never understand. Like, the fact that I can think of any song in the world. I was just in the car with a group of kids. And, of course, they were like, can you play We Don't Talk About Bruno? And I said out loud, play We Don't Talk About Bruno. And the next thing you know, We Don't Talk About Bruno was blaring from my speakers. I want to be like, you will never understand that back in my day, if there was a song I liked. Right. I sat in front of the radio for four hours waiting for it to come on.

22:51Amy Wilson:And then I prayed with all my might that the DJ would not over talk the beginning of the song. So you could get a clean record on your tape recorder. So that I could get a clean record on my cassette. Do you know that game that you play at Christmas? I try to get it going with my kids. It's called like Whamageddon or there's different versions of it that you try to get through the Christmas season without hearing Last Christmas. Last Christmas. No, I've heard it with the Mariah Carey song. With the Mariah Carey, that's like Mariahageddon or whatever. Right. So I am now, will you guys hear this?

23:20You're not going to believe this. I have never heard the song, We Don't Talk About Bruno, and I intend not to hear it for as long as I can. I realize time is running out, but I am a walking around human being who doesn't live in a cave, who has never heard that song because my kids are old. It's such an age difference.

23:36Amy Wilson:We had my daughter's birthday party and the cake was served and we had about a half an hour to go. And I just thought, I'm in hell. Let's just play that six times. They sang it. The girls just sang it over and over again for a half an hour straight. Great. And they're like, what better use of my time could there be? Yeah. My husband talked about that. I remember when Frozen came out, he was in the airport in South Korea up for business. And he said there was a little girl behind him, a Korean child. It was maybe, you know, three weeks after the movie came out and she was just under her breath singing Let It Go again and again and again.

24:18Amy Wilson:And he's like, it's so wild how pervasive those like childhood songs are. Like I'm on the other side of the world and this little girl is like dressed like Elsa and singing Let It Go. You know, it just it becomes it's like a contagion, right? Like I think that those songs like I guess that's what I'm trying to get at. Like these songs just like get under our kids skin and they become these cultural things in a way that I think like Billie Jean was for me. Like popular music was what kids like memorized and thought about. And now I feel like there has to be this layer of like Pixar songs that are catchy, that have a plot, you know, that are accessible or what, you know, what we share and sing over and over.

24:59Amy Wilson:And I think that's good. Like, I think there was a lot of talk when the internet and streaming and stuff came along that it was going to become like, oh, there's no more communal experience, right? Like people would always talk about that. Like, oh, well, people aren't going to the movies and sitting together and people aren't having these communal experiences. experiences. But there must be something very fundamental about that. Because I'm telling you, if I walked by the recess at my kids' school and just said it was my wedding day, 400 kids would break out into song. You know what I mean? We don't talk about Bruno.

25:35Amy Wilson:It's just deep for them. So I also keep waiting a little bit for the old person thing of like, I cannot relate to this music at all. And there are definitely songs where I'm just like, is this really music? But I still really like, like, I love Dua Lipa. That to me is the world's greatest music. Like, it's the greatest music I've ever heard. I love that album so much. Not a bad song on that album. Incredible. I'll have to take your word for it. But you know, levitating, right? I mean, you know, some of her music. Probably. Yeah, I hear it in like... But you do workout. If you work out, you hear a lot of this.

26:08Yeah. If you're on a Peloton or whatever, yeah, you hear it. They play songs.

26:11Amy Wilson:I often talk to, I remember talking to my parents at some point. My parents were born in the 1930s. And I remember being like, what was like a hit song when you were a kid, you know? And my dad was telling me that it was this song. I'm going to link to it in the show notes because it blew my mind. Stranger in Paradise is what it was called. It's a guy and he's like, look at me, I'm a stranger in paradise. Like it's like an operatic. Yeah. I'm like, no, but what was like a hit song? And it was like, no, this was the biggest song when I was 14 years old. And I just think to live, to go from that to like WAP.

26:53Amy Wilson:I mean, God bless you. Yeah, that's quite a span. But our kids will have to explain to their kids how we don't talk about Bruno is the most important thing in their lives for, you know, about six months in 2022. And kids will be like, what? Yes, yes. Although I will say that musical theater and animation is slightly exempt because it's like, hi-ho, hi-ho. You're going to watch these movies and know these songs? Yes. The Four Aces and Eddie Calvert both did versions of Stranger in Paradise. Go ahead and Google that for yourself. It was, oh, you know what, though, as I look it up, Amy, it was from the musical Kismet.

27:26Amy Wilson:So I think that back in the day, I think when my parents were younger, like Broadway songs were big. Yes. Or just songs you could stand around the piano and sing. Like you've read those Betsy Tacey books, right? I read them to my daughter. Betsy Tacey and Tibb are these three sisters that are growing up in Minnesota. It's set in like 1906, 08. And is Joe going to ask her to the dance or not? They're the most beautifully written books and so sweet about girls who really have each other's backs all through their lives. They're great books for anybody, but especially girls. And yeah, they just go over each other's houses and stand around the piano and sing.

27:59That's what they would do in a Friday night, at least in the fictional world of Betsy, Tacey and Tib. When there's literally no, there's no screens, there's no entertainment. You are the entertainment singing My Wild Irish Rose.

28:09Amy Wilson:But we grew up, my parents had a friend who was, I think he probably played on Broadway because he lived outside the same, but he was a professional pianist. And they would have that party even when we were growing up. Like a pianist would come and they would all sit around and sing show tunes. So fun. Yeah, super fun. And I do think it's fun. My husband always tells the story of his grandmother who came to Texas on a covered wagon and lived to see a man walk on the moon. Like, it's amazing when you see these long lives like Amy thinks change. But are they better then or better now? We're going to decide after this break.

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31:22Amy Wilson:So I figured we'd talk to some people from now to see what they think. Do you think things were better back in mom's day or now? I think they were better now. Why? Because back in the days, you had to ride, like, horses, and you had to, like, get new ones when it died. Do you think that mom rode horses when she was young? Yeah. Um, I never had a horse in my life. Oh, my bad. But I didn't have video games when I was young. Yeah, so that's the problem. What else was different back in mom's day? You didn't have good food like right now. Like, what's good food that I didn't have? I had Twinkies, dude.

32:04Amy Wilson:Did you have, like, pizza? I mean, I definitely had pizza. It wasn't that long ago. What do you think was different back in Mom's Day? Uh, there were no buses and you had to walk everywhere. I mean, we had buses. How old do you think Mom is? Forty-something. Do you know, when I was your age, there weren't even such things as computers? Uh, yeah, I did. What do you think you would have done back in the day if you didn't have video games and TV? Biking, skateboarding, playing outside. I mean, that sounds kind of better than video games, doesn't it? Sort of. Thank you for talking to me about the olden times.

32:51Amy Wilson:You're welcome, Mom. Okay, so I got one for you. Okay, hit me. Cleaning the house. Horrible then, harrible now. Yeah, horrible than horrible now. But I think harder for my mom than for me. Like my mom did stuff that I don't fully even understand now looking back. Like, did your mom wax the kitchen floor? Of course. We had a waxer. You'd come home from school and was like, don't come to the kitchen and I waxed the floor. But it'll be like once a month she waxed the floor. And what was that? And why don't we have to do that anymore? Like, was that always optional? That's a great question. Again, it's amazing what just falls out of your memory because yes, we had a floor waxer.

33:30Amy Wilson:and as we got older, one of us was in charge of waxing the floor. And yes, there were great consequences for walking across the... I believe you waxed linoleum tile, I think. What's the kind of almost more rubbery? Is that linoleum? It was almost like a rubber floor, but with like a... Yeah. It was like contact paper flooring, kind of. Yes. Yes. It only looked like it was in pieces. It wasn't actually tile. It was tile-looking floor wallpaper, basically. Yeah. What happened to that? And that had to be waxed so it didn't tear. I don't know. I should have brought research. Yeah. Amy, really, where's your floor waxing research?

34:05Amy Wilson:I thought you could tell me. I was thinking the other day that my daughter takes after her mother in that she is extremely messy. And I went down, I asked her to clean her room the other day, which she did. But then I went down to the laundry room two days ago and we made a mistake of buying her a giant, it's like this Ikea, probably people have it. It's like a silver circular laundry hamper that they sell at Ikea. The problem with it is it holds approximately 76 loads of laundry and she's little. So it's like the tiny girl clothes. So everything she owns. Yeah, I will say Amy recently gave me some beautiful hand-me-downs from her daughter and my daughter fell in love with them.

34:45Amy Wilson:I entrusted her to go upstairs and put them away. And then when I found said laundry basket, Amy, you'll be glad to know that you're carefully folded clothes. We're in the laundry basket. Like she's never put them on. No. I'm like, I recognize these Amy Wilson creases. These have never been worn. These are Amy's daughter's clothes. And what are they doing? Very gently worn, neatly folded. And well, cause she had to clean them up. So like, okay, I'll put them in my 70 pound hamper. Problem solved. But what I basically realized is like every solution creates more problems. There's some economic principle that sums this up that I cannot quote at this moment.

35:17Amy Wilson:Like the floor waxer, this is research for another day. Basically that a lot of problems just create new problems. And the problem with the wash, like when you had a ringer, you know, one of those like washboards, you had two shirts and you wore the clean one and then you washed the dirty one and then you switched, you know? Yes. The disadvantage is that you're banging clothes against the rocks in the river. But the advantage is that you don't have 7 ,600 shirts that have to be laundered and folded every day. The other thing that was way worse then and better now is the laundry. Like I'm thinking about it, that nothing had lycra in it meant that everything was really wrinkly.

35:54I mean, my mom, I remember her with this spray starch and the ironing board, like ironing like jeans, you know. That spray starch. I don't iron anything.

36:03Amy Wilson:I had the iron out the other day because I actually washed my bedroom curtains. We had taken them off and used them to like hide something at a party and they had dragged on the floor. I would never wash my bedroom curtains. I'm not insane. But I had because we had used them for another purpose. They came out so wrinkly that I mean, I actually went to hang them up and it looked comical. Like they were completely, they were like practically in a ball hanging from the rod. And so I got the iron out and my kids were like, what does an iron do? Like I realized they have never seen me iron before ever.

36:37Amy Wilson:Wow. And how'd it go? And it's just a new world. Like, oh, it went terribly. I got halfway through it and I was like, this is nonsense. And I just hung it up really, really wrinkly. That's what I was thinking. It would take two hours and it would still not look good. It looks horrible. I'll try to take a picture of it. It's ridiculous. It's like the wrinkliest curtain. But I'm like, this is how we live now. That's the thing. This can't be fixed. The story is worth telling. When I first met my husband, which was a long time ago, I had a very kooky friend who like the first time she ever met him very merrily lifted up her shirt to show us an iron mark like on her stomach.

37:07She had tried to iron a shirt while wearing it and she branded herself with an iron. While wearing it. Yeah, yeah. Like I'm late, but it's wrinkly. So let me iron the shirt. And she burned herself with an iron and like not a full outline of the iron, like a Bugs Bunny cartoon or something, but pretty much. And my husband like that stayed stayed with him. Once in a while, he'd be like, I'll tell a story about, you know, something that happened 20 years ago. And he'd be like, was that the one who ironed herself?

37:29Amy Wilson:Like, it's just really a seminal moment in his life. I've done it. I've gotten the lion across my stomach. Definitely an iron related injury on my stomach, but it was not, I don't think it was the full imprint. This brings me to hair better than or better now. I mean, the amount of curling iron burns that I incurred before the age of 18 is many. Hair is better now. Hair is better now. Way better now. It looks better. It makes more sense. I mean, the whole, I was talking to a friend the other day who's thinking about going back to work and he's like, I can never wear a tie again. Once you break with a tie, you're just like, why would I wrap a piece of fabric around my neck to signify that I am rich and professional?

38:11Amy Wilson:Like, it's just tight. Like, why would I knot something at my throat to be like, see how wealthy and smart I am? Like, and it's funny that when you break with stuff, But I mean, back in the day, although I will say I was really into my hair and I loved. Did you have a crimping iron? I suppose. I mean, I had literally every sort of, you know, springy curling. Crimping iron. If you are young, let me tell you. Again, this is just, you're going to have to do some Googling after this episode. Google crimping iron. It was like a set of triangles all in a row and you would smush your hair into it and it made your hair like a repeating Z.

38:50Amy Wilson:Because zigzag. Yeah, zigzag style. Uh-huh. I mean, I thought I was it. And then there was no, you didn't run your fingers through it. You didn't curl it and kind of pull it back out with your fingers like you do now to give it any sort of, you know, looseness or randomness, tight structure. Do you think, I'm just thinking about this. I have a daughter who's very into self-expression, but very individual in the way that she expresses herself, her style. She's into having style, but then her style is quite wacky. Do you think there's a much, I mean, there was definitely, I remember a year of my life where every single girl in the class wore almost a uniform.

39:26Amy Wilson:There were like four things. And one of them was Benetton made a rugby shirt that said Benetton across it. Yes. You would wear that with tight guest jeans that zippered at the bottom. I mean, we might as well have had a school uniform for how many people wore that to school. An absolutely enormous top that like a linebacker it would be big on. And then the tight jeans he had a zipper at the ankle, right? in order to get them over your foot. Keep them as tight as humanly possible. Your foot was too big. That's right. Because your foot was way too big to like, that's right. Like, I don't know, have kids become, am I just out of it?

40:02Amy Wilson:Or have kids become more individualized than that? Like, I could not tell you what the, also my daughter's in fourth grade. So it's definitely possible that in seventh grade, there's stuff going on. I know that sort of justice, people are really, kids are really into. It was like for a while, it was like really. Are they still into that? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it was a couple of years ago, but I remember it's like shiny, shiny coats and shiny bags and shiny backpacks. Sparkle. I'll tell you what, your kids are into justice until they're not into justice. Well, that's everything, right? Right. The whiplash from no, no, no, I only wear this sort of thing now to what are you talking about?

40:39I would never wear something like that.

40:40Amy Wilson:Oh, my God. I was always the kid who was way behind the curve. I was like, I would save up my money because those Benetton shirts even back in the day were like$85. You're right. The Benetton Rugby shirt. And I would save up my money for months. And then by the time I got it, I'd be like, what kind of loser wears that Benetton Rugby shirt? I was always way behind the curve. Oh, yeah. Couldn't win for losing. I think individual expression might be better now. I think it's uncool based on what my kids wear. Like you don't wear a brand name across your chest in quite the same way. It's going to sneak around.

41:12My daughter goes to a sleepaway camp in the summertime where they have a uniform for during the day, which sounds like strict, but it's actually terrific. It says you have to wear green shorts and you have to wear a white t-shirt. It doesn't have to be their white, but that's it. Everybody's wearing green shorts, white t-shirts. That's all these girls can wear. And so it just takes so much pressure off, like wearing a Benetton rugby, who cares? So I just was like, what a wonderful wonderland where you're free of worrying about labels and things. No, pajamas. She just told me last week that what pajamas you have at this camp have taken on, like an earth shattering importance.

41:41Amy Wilson:Yeah, that's the thing. It's so pervasive. And I think that's right. I think maybe we're just my older ones are boys and they don't care. I mean, my son wears a Star Wars T-shirt and pants every day. All right. Let's wrap it with a I think I know the answer to this one, but I'm going to let you tell me Halloween costumes. Were they better then or better now? I mean, a million percent better than. Yeah. In that you were not expected to open a special effects studio and make a transformer costume that actually transforms. Yes. You were not actually supposed to have Iron Man who can actually fly.

42:14Amy Wilson:Like, I mean, it's I mean, this has been discussed ad nauseum and become kind of a thing. But I will briefly describe for any of the youngs who don't know. You went to Woolworths, which doesn't exist anymore, sometimes called the Five and Dime. Now it's the dollar store, I suppose. It would be. Yeah. Yeah. You bought a box and in that box was a plastic mask. P.S. There were four kinds. There were four boxes on the shelf. Right. There weren't 50. I will say our Woolworths had like 400 boxes, but there's really only four molds of the face. So like if it had yellow hair, it was Luke Skywalker. If it had black hair, it was the six million dollar man like Scooby-Doo or a Smurf.

42:53Amy Wilson:Same weird like rounded nose mold. Yeah. Scooby-Doo painted blue was a Smurf. It was not you were not getting these were not like Madame Tussauds crafted. It was a plastic disc that vaguely represented the face. Which is why you also needed to wear a weird like lobster bib kind of thing that said the name of what you were across it. Like you had to wear a Barbie mask and then also wear a plastic thing that said Barbie on it because you really couldn't tell from the mask what you were supposed to be. Google this, please. If you have not experienced it, that's right. So you would have like a Wonder Woman mask, a plastic basically dinner plate that you would have fixed your face.

43:31Amy Wilson:Really hot. With black hair and a crown and red lips. And then your own eyes and lips. It's sweat underneath it. That's right. The lips had a tiny little air hole in them, like way too small to breathe. And then you would have like a picture of a kitchen apron, but it was made of plastic and it had the Wonder Woman logo on it. So it was not her outfit. It wasn't like a bra and pants. It was just the Wonder Woman logo. And again, mass hysteria. We were all like, this seems reasonable. Mm-hmm. But it was all there was. And we weren't worrying about in July, special ordering the wig that will make you look exactly like Coraline or whatever.

44:12It just, there was what there was.

44:14Amy Wilson:My mom, I've said before on the podcast, everyone has like one thing. This is the way to stay sane as a mom. You're like, I'm not going to be like great at costumes and Christmas and birthday cake. Pick your one thing. Mine is birthday cakes. My mom's was Halloween costumes. She was a good sewer. So she handmade all of her Halloween costumes and she worked on them for two or three months. So you had to get her your order in August. They were incredible. What was your best Halloween costume ever? Statue of Liberty. I'll see if I can find a picture of it because it was incredible. She hand dyed sheets.

44:44Amy Wilson:She like studied. She had in front of her sewing machine a picture of the statue of Laura. She worked on it for months. It was incredible. That's so cool. And of course, I was like, thanks. You know, of course, I wasn't like, oh, my God, thanks so much, mom. You're amazing. I was peanut M &Ms, but I did it myself with like a dishwasher box and many, many sheets of yellow construction paper. I was peanut and my friend Gina was plain. I mean, that's fun. That's fun. And again, I mean, it was more on the kids. It was more on you. So yeah, yeah. But I, of course, craved the I kind of wanted a Wonder Woman plastic mask and an apron because that's what everybody else had, you know?

45:20Amy Wilson:Yes. Having what everybody else had was so easy, though. It was just the same drugstore thing. You could be Scooby-Doo or you could be Wonder Woman, but it wasn't like you could have a Transformer costume that actually transformed. Yeah. And then you would go to school and all the Scooby-Doo's would run up to each other. You're right. In any given class, there were six or seven Wonder Womans. That's right. You would all kind of like meet each other excited that you were the same thing. My son went as, you know, the inflatable T-Rex costume that, you know, you kind of see everywhere. He went as that one year and he loves dinosaurs and he's really into like being the center of attention.

45:51Amy Wilson:So it was a perfect costume for him. Our town is very Halloween-y and there's one street where there's like thousands of kids all running around. And it was really cute because there was a million T-Rexes that year and they kept finding each other and like running into the center and like dancing and stuff. We have a lot of pictures of them all together. It was adorable. Yeah, I think it was better then though. It was a simpler time, Amy. And now I will say we go. I don't make any Halloween costumes. And so we go to Party City and we're like, we'll take a number 72, a number two. It's not that different from Woolworths.

46:21Amy Wilson:It's just that the costumes are much better. Right. And more expensive. Yes. And much, much more expensive. I think it's a draw. I think in conclusion, some things were better then and some things were better now and some things, most things were better in the right before now than in the now. But we're going to turn this around. I think the only thing we've truly decided today, Amy, is that we are in fact getting quite old. Right. I believe that is the only thing we've solved today. Q-E-D. Proved. Not solved. Proved. No. Proved for today. Hey, we want to get some new merch in our merch store.

46:56Our listeners always have the best ideas. And so we want you guys to go to Facebook, facebook.com slash whatfreshshellcast. We're going to have a post up there saying, what do you think should go on our merch next? We want you to tell us what you want on a sticker, a sweatshirt, I don't know, a mug. And we're going to take some of your favorites and actually make merch out of them. So come join us there and tell us what you think.

47:17Amy Wilson:And don't forget to go to bit.ly slash whatfreshmerch to see what's already there. To peruse our wares. Peruse the wares and then make your own suggestions. Yeah. So that our merch store, Amy, I'm going to wrap it up, can be better now. Awesome. We'll talk to you next week. Have a good week, everyone. We'll talk to you next time. So long.

48:05We'll be right back. and less time slathering on aloe lotion. You're welcome. Columbia. Engineered for whatever.