In short
This episode of What Fresh Hell? (with hosts Margaret Ables and Amy Wilson) is a “deep dive” into why so many modern parenting/life trends exist—and why they annoy them. They start with listener feedback introducing “negative attunement” (when a parent mirrors a child’s dysregulation). Key topics include Target’s “Little House on the Prairie”/cottagecore-style mom dresses, birthday goodie bags (sent to school; they call them a waste), and summer camp signups that sell out like concert tickets. They debate wide-leg low-rise jeans, muffin-top logic, and crop tops for kids. They question gender reveal parties (including pet gender reveals) and promposals/prom culture. They discuss kids’ milestones as both necessary medically and harmful when treated as competition.
Notable examples
sold-out 7 a.m. camp sessions, “Darth Vader” breakdancing at a birthday, and “puppuccinos”/TikTok-driven fads.
Guests
none; only hosts Margaret Ables and Amy Wilson.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Theme: Why Is This a Thing?
0:45 to 1:44
Exploring the frustrations of parenting trends and societal norms.
“When you weigh, you know, 90 pounds, they look pretty cute.”
Mailbag Insights: Shared Dysregulation
1:44 to 2:45
Discussion on negative attunement in parent-child relationships.
“Jessa on Facebook said, I listened to the Safe Spaces episode last weekend.”
Target Prairie Dresses: A Trend?
2:45 to 5:10
Analyzing the weird trend of prairie dresses in Target.
“Amy, we went to our Facebook page, as we are wont to do.”
The Case Against Birthday Goodie Bags
5:10 to 6:32
Debate on why birthday goodie bags should be abolished.
“The little youngs are doing cottagecore and we're just confused.”
The Madness of Summer Camp Signups
6:32 to 10:36
Frustrations about the competitive nature of summer camp signups.
“And it is now time in the podcast for me to admit that I have no idea what that stands for.”
Fashion Trends: Jeans and Crop Tops
10:36 to 14:01
Discussion on the return of wide leg jeans and crop tops for kids.
“Yeah, Amy, we're ready for you to take over the camps of America, all the camps.”
Kids' Clothing Choices
14:01 to 15:46
Discussion on appropriate clothing for children, particularly crop tops.
“Amy, everyone is built in different shapes.”
Sponsor: Osea
15:47 to 16:56
Promotional segment for Osea's Ondaria Algae Body Oil with a discount offer.
“After an afternoon at the pool, my mom's skin needs a hydration reset.”
Sponsor: Quince
16:56 to 18:09
Promotional segment for Quince's affordable, high-quality essentials.
“That's code FRESH at O-S-E-A-MALIBU.COM.”
Sponsor: Zenni
18:09 to 19:26
Promotional segment for Zenni's prescription glasses and sunglasses.
“You know, it's that time of year when I'm usually driving with two pairs of glasses, my prescription glasses, plus regular sunglasses over them, because otherwise I'll burn my retinas.”
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Gender Reveal Parties
19:26 to 21:30
Exploration of the cultural phenomenon of gender reveal parties and their implications.
“I've never been to one and I never had one.”
The Promposal Trend
21:30 to 24:40
Discussion on the evolving nature of promposals and their societal pressures.
“I have not been in the place of promposals.”
Children's Developmental Milestones
24:40 to 28:00
Conversation about the pressure parents feel regarding children's developmental milestones.
“And I mean, it was a random, a sort of, I mean, a lot of us, especially me, had no contact with boys.”
Shopping Carts and Gendered Clothing
28:00 to 32:05
Explore the reasons behind the popularity of toddler shopping carts and the gendered nature of children's clothing.
“You have to sort of separate out what doesn't doesn't matter.”
Oldie Locks and Eyebrow Trends
32:57 to 36:02
Discuss the humorous signs of aging and current eyebrow trends that confuse the hosts.
“Ugh, I hurt myself turning over too vigorously while I was napping.”
Puppuccinos and Facebook Birthdays
36:02 to 41:46
Debate the absurdity of puppy treats and the complexities of social media birthday wishes.
“But I agree that I find it very confusing.”
Hotel Check-in Frustrations
41:46 to 42:00
Examine the frustrations of lengthy hotel check-in processes, especially at upscale locations.
“Jen, you are ringing my bell with this one.”
Frustrations with Hotel Check-Ins
42:00 to 43:51
Explore the annoyances of checking into fancy hotels and the expectations around it.
“the more glamorous that it feels to you.”
Speed Round of Annoyances
43:51 to 47:14
A light-hearted speed round discussing various everyday annoyances, from fashion trends to birthday traditions.
“Amy, how about we finish with a speed round?”
Crafting from Trash: A School Debate
47:14 to 48:24
Discuss the challenges of schools promoting recycling through crafts made from trash.
“Trish says, seriously, I don't need a gross used soy milk carton boat for our tub or a box that could have been recycled, transformed into a mansion.”
Podcast Review Call-to-Action
48:24 to 48:55
Encouragement for listeners to review the podcast and share it with friends.
“Friends, what we do want to be a thing is you reviewing our podcast.”
Transcript
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0:32We're old ladies yelling at clouds right now.
0:35Amy Wilson:What fresh hell laughing in the face of motherhood. All my muffin is under my belly button. With Margaret Ables and Amy Wilson. When you weigh, you know, 90 pounds, they look pretty cute. A podcast that solves today's parenting dilemmas. So you don't have to. I have never done anything with my eyebrows.
1:01Amy Wilson:Hello, everyone, and welcome to What Fresh Hell? Laughing in the Face of Motherhood. This is Margaret. And this is Amy. And this week we're talking about why is this a thing? Let me tell you, brace yourselves, settle in. This episode is going to be 17 and a half hours long. It's like the hall closet that's overly full with sports equipment. Why are all of these things a thing? Like in prepping for this episode, I got more and more angry. I was like, I didn't even remember that. But now I'm mad it's a thing. I was getting side texts from family members, too, for this episode. Like, don't forget this.
1:30Like, make sure to have this one on. Yeah.
1:33Amy Wilson:Again, settle in. This is going to be a marathon. Like, get some snacks. Get a comfy seat because we're going to be here a while. First, I have a mailbag for you. But first, mailbag. Mailbag. It better be a short one. Jessa on Facebook said, I listened to the Safe Spaces episode last weekend. Like, should we be safe spaces for our kids? That's a good episode if you haven't listened to that one yet. And she says, I want to say that Amy's description of shared dysregulation, in other words, like when your kid's cranky, you're cranky. When your kid is having a hard time, they want you to also have a hard time and they will try to, you know, give you the same mood they have.
2:11There's a name for that, she says. It's actually called negative attunement. She said it's like misery loves company, but between a parent and a kid. So it's negative attunement. Watch this space for heavy use of that term.
2:24Amy Wilson:Oh, yes. Amy will be doing a deep dive. Right. next week, negative attunement. Normally I say don't come at Amy on her research, but this was actually a value add. This was an improv yes and. Yes. And it really took you to a new level. And Amy will be spending this week after we talk for 17 hours about why is this a thing? Amy will be going into a marathon session of researching negative attunement. It's my lived experience. And I also am going to. It's validating. I feel seen and also agree. Yeah. Thanks, Thanks, Tessa. Amy, we went to our Facebook page, as we are wont to do. And from Target's all prairie dresses all the time pivot to over the top kids birthday parties.
3:06Amy Wilson:What's something you just kind of wonder, why is this a thing? Okay, I'm ready. Hit me. Yes. And I have to explain because I got some questions. One, we have someone assisting us on the show now who is a young She is a youth. And she was like, what does this mean? Target Prairie dresses. And I realized there are people who don't spend as much time as we do in Target. Like they don't. And I explained like, well, at Target now, all of the mannequins are wearing weird like a little house on the Prairie farm dresses. And she said, well, why are they doing that? And I said, exactly. Why indeed? Why is this a thing?
3:45Amy Wilson:But in case you're not aware, if you don't live in Target, as I do, a lot of they I think it's kind of ending now. But for a while, they pivoted to really strange prairie dresses for moms. And then there were a lot of hilarious Instagrams where women were wearing them and like standing out in their backyards with pitchforks. And it was hilarious. Like everyone looked like a really depressed ma from Little House on the Prairie. Those were in style, like when I graduated from high school, I'm wearing like an absolute like tablecloth, like lace tablecloth, like a gunny sack dress. Old Dulux alert.
4:21Back in my day.
4:22Amy Wilson:And the key is it has to be really tight across the chest. Yes. And then have a random ruffle running down the seam that attaches the sleeve. Yeah. And again, like this is not something that looks good on 98 % of the population, maybe 99.5 % of the population. Like, I'm not really sure. I think, again, we're getting distracted. We're going to get back. Cottagecore. Have you heard that term? No, but I mean, I get it. Like negative attunement, I deeply understand it. Yeah, the super youngs, I think, had gotten into this look that they call cottagecore. Like long, Laura Ashley type dresses with like these little boots.
5:02Amy Wilson:said it was Little House on the Prairie-esque, but it's the wrong look for moms. Leave that to the youngs. Leave it to the super youngs. Yeah. The super youngs. The middle youngs don't know about it. The little youngs are doing cottagecore and we're just confused. Feeling it. All right. Let's just get this one out of the way because we've talked about it enough. If you don't know my stance by now, go back and review the podcast. Birthday goodie bags. We know that this is my, What do you call it, Amy? My pet peeve. Yes, this is really something I'm against. I often say that instead of goodie bags, we should just contract with Party City to deliver the goodie bags directly to the dumpster and cut out the middleman.
5:42Amy Wilson:Like, why should I hand it to someone else on the way to the dumpster? Carrie says, why are birthday goodie bags sent to school? This is not something that happens in our school. I know people either love or hate goodie bags, but I enjoy giving goodie bags to a party gift. But to send 25 goodie bags and multiple treat for kids, why? I mean, this is not something that happens at my school, and I don't think it would be allowed. No. Especially our school has pretty much gone food free at this point. And then Rachel just says, goodie bags at kids parties. I don't think I need to expand why we all hate them.
6:18Amy Wilson:Let's stop the madness. Rachel and I are going to, I'm going to quit the podcast. Rachel's going to leave her family and we are going to go on tour nationwide as anti-goody bag crusaders. But that's like goodie bags, like QED. I have to go back for one second, Amy. Okay. You love the phrase QED. Yes. And it is now time in the podcast for me to admit that I have no idea what that stands for. Oh, it's a mathematical thing. It's a geometry thing. QED means Quod Erot Demonstrandum in Latin. It means that's already been proven. Like a triangle is three sides. Facts already in evidence, as we say on law and order.
6:57Right. A triangle is three sides QED. Like, I don't need to go through explaining that to you. Like, we're going to start from that point that a triangle has three sides. So like party bags absolutely shouldn't exist. QED. QED, thanks to five years of this podcast. Wow.
7:10Amy Wilson:I'm glad I hate to interrupt you, but I am glad because you've said it like four times and I was like, I don't know what that means, but I guess everyone else does. But I think now that I've heard it, no one else knew what it meant. Yeah. Well, yeah. Unless you're a mathematician. Yeah. QED. Sometimes Amy flies a little close to the sun and we have to bring her back. We have to bring her back. All right. But let's talk about summer camp signups because this one, I think, is something that we need to newly establish as a problem. Laura says, why are summer camp signups like concert tickets this Monday morning?
7:39I had to be logged into my account and ready to sign up at 7 a.m. for local science camps. And like four minutes later, 50 sessions were sold out. And then your kid can't go this summer and they're crying. Like, why is that? Why do they create scarcity around summer camps?
7:53Amy Wilson:Or is it just that like there's only so many good summer camps, like concert tickets? Like there's just only so many. But this is why my children basically like don't participate in after school activities because now the pandemic has frozen at all. But there used to be like a day where at 830 in the morning, you had to be like either exactly finger above the button or possibly, I think when we first moved here, lined up in person at a building in town so that your kid got into chocolate club and wasn't stuck in like, you know, I don't know, one of the card game club or something they didn't want to do.
8:29Amy Wilson:I'm sure there are people who love card games, but whatever, a club they weren't into. And there was always like kickball was, you know, like anything just like generally athletic was kind of left at the bottom. But I have just accepted that I am a mom who cannot do these things. And this is the first summer and my kids are 13, 12 and 10 that we have no summer plans. Wow. We decided to save the summer camp money. We're going to go on two nice trips. and then I'm going to hire a bunch of local teenagers to come and chase my children in circles around the house. That is what we are doing. That's the plan.
9:05Amy Wilson:Like Darth Vader with the boombox at your kid's birthday party. Oh my God. I wish I could remember what episode that was because if you haven't heard it, it's my favorite story in the world. He showed up and breakdanced, which is definitely outside the Darth Vader canon. That's not in the show Bible. Yeah. We hired a really random Darth Vader who I was like, what do you do? What do you do? what's the plan? And he was like, what did he say, Amy? What was the we have fun? You said we have fun. And like he just started breakdancing and then the kids started attacking him. And that was the whole party like they he would run and the kids would all chase him and try to kill him, I suppose, was what they were trying to do.
9:42Amy Wilson:Best party ever. And that's camp this summer. I'm going to hire a local child to run and my kids will chase them. You know, not standing in line for something. This came up when my son was signing up for his first semester of college classes that you don't have to go stand in the long line anymore and hope that, you know, it's not sold out when you get up there. He had a log on at 7am. I like made sure he was up. I sat next to him and he had his, you know, plan A and his plan B. And again, like the agenda over it being 702am and all 350 available spots in Spanish 101 were gone. And then also math, I didn't understand it.
10:17Now that you have data, large university, why don't you have enough Spanish 101 for freshmen. Like that just seemed crazy to me. When we were standing in line, you had an excuse. Now it's like, if there aren't enough science camps, Museum of Science, open a second science camp, you'll make twice as much money. I don't understand. Put me in charge. Yeah, Amy, we're ready for you to take over the camps of America, all the camps.
10:41Amy Wilson:Because I'd love to do that. I would love to. You're like, hi, I'm Amy Wilson, CEO of Every Camp Everywhere. This was Disney World was like this. There's an app. If you've been, you know, and they just recently redid the app. Very controversial. I don't know anything about that because we only did it the new way. But you have to it's six thirty in the morning. You have to like have your finger hovered over the app. And then at seven o 'clock, like we've started with a large spousal fight every morning where I was like, you're going for Rise of the Resistance. I'm going for Runaway Train. And like he would get Runaway Train.
11:14Amy Wilson:And I'm like, no, you were supposed to do it. I mean, it's wild. Like, what a world. Yeah, I think they think we want like that scarcity, you know, adrenaline more than we do. We consider that. I don't know what's going on. We don't want it. Amy, I have to pick I have a bone to pick with Rebecca. She says, why are wide leg low rise jeans a trend? Seriously, I will stick with my old fashioned high rise, even if it makes me look a million years old. I'm a mid rise person. What are you? I love a wide leg jean, as you well know. I mean, I like my jeans to be like, if I could get a pair of jeans that were like too circus tense, that would be my ideal.
11:52Amy Wilson:I really, really like wide jeans. I like them to flare out at the bottom like bell bottoms. I like a wide jean. Okay. They're back. Good news. They're back. I know. But I will say, and I do think that this is true, I'm tall. And I do know that for my shorter friends, I think that wide leg jeans are maybe easier to wear when you're tall. I could see it like a short person with short legs wearing really wide leg pants might look stranger than a tall person. Is that a thing? I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. I've been jean shopping recently with my 14 year old and the jeans she wants to wear in half the store is like mom jeans, like, you know, super mom jeans.
12:37They're all called like mom pants, mom jeans, and that's what she wants more than anything. And they're like the SNL mom jeans, Tina Fey, like skit about like, look how unflattering these jeans are that are really high and tight in the waist and then kind of balloon out over the hips. Yeah, that's another trend. Mom jeans.
12:54Amy Wilson:Never like high rise jeans, like jeans that button at my belly button. Yeah, I'm seeing them like, yeah, I'm not going back to low rise. You like low rise. I like low rise. They hit me right. I have a little, you know, I have a little always pregnant belly. I carry all my weight between my belly button and below. And so the low rise jeans, like they cradle my little pooch in a way that I enjoy. It doesn't come out over the, that's the problem with the low rise is that like, I wondered why muffin top was like a new parlance that came in, you know, like in the 2000s, like mid 2000s. Why would we come up with this new term muffin top?
13:31Why there never been a term before? What did women, you know, postpartum women have before? They didn't have a muffin top because there weren't low rise pants. There weren't higher pants that hit you at the waist.
13:39Amy Wilson:No. See, if I wear higher pants, then I really get muffin top. I feel like all my pooch, all my muffin is under my belly button. So a low rise hits me just right. But somehow if I go too high, then the muffin tops. The muffin top comes out over the top of the high rise. I mean, And you're learning a lot about my personal biology, probably too much. Amy, everyone is built in different shapes. Everybody's different and everybody's great. Okay. And wherever your jeans fit you best is right for you. Or don't fit you best. Yeah. The comfiest. While we're on the topic of kids clothes, a lot of thoughts about crop tops for five-year-olds.
14:19And 14-year-olds. Like, can we please get shirts that go all the way to the pants? It's very hard to do.
14:26Amy Wilson:Yeah. My daughter, 10, is just starting. She likes the way it looks. You know, she likes them short. And I am. I finally bought a bunch of like camisoles. And I'm like, if it's riding up over your belly, you have to put this underneath over your pants. I don't want to see your belly. I'm an old lady. Like, put some clothes on. Look, I mean, Britney Spears was doing it 20 years ago. So it's like it's back again. And only it's now it's our kids. Yeah, I don't know. We'll have to do a whole other episode about like, how much does it matter? what our kids wear, but like, I really don't want to see my 10 year old in an outfit that feels sexy to me.
15:04Amy Wilson:Yes. But I would like, let's put a pin in that and like have a longer discussion about that. Cause I, I'm not sure what the right answer is. Like how much should I control what she wears? How much say should I have? Let's do an episode on that. Right. Okay. I have a lot of thoughts on that. Yeah. And then the other thing is like the slogans on the t-shirts. I saw a t-shirt for children somewhere. And the slogan on it said, I will spend your money like a girl's t-shirt. It's wild. What's out there? Like what's going on? We're not for it, Amy. We're going to do a whole episode, but we know we're against that.
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19:08Amy Wilson:Go to zenni.com slash podcast and use code podcast15 for 15 % off your first order. These styles sell out, so don't sit on it. That's zenni.com slash podcast, promo code podcast15. Amy, let's talk about gender reveal parties. Why are they a thing? Yeah, I mean, they're after our time. I've never been to one and I never had one. I never even found out the gender of my children before they were born. That's what I was going to say. My hot take is wait to find out. It's super fun to be surprised in the room. I feel that I would be very annoyed to be invited to a gender reveal party. Again, it's another activity around your baby.
19:52Amy Wilson:Maybe. I feel like if you want to have the grandparents over in the backyard and like cut into a cake, eh, it's fine with me. I do think that like, as Danielle says, gender reveal parties should be more accurately called. Guess what genitalia my fetus has like. And then wait, we'll tell you with outdated ideas of what color males and females should wear and prefer. Yeah, it feels dated and weird. And then it has also now grown into like two people jump out of a plane and the one who's in blue, you know, opens the parachute. It's they've gotten again, it's become that kind of like race to nowhere of like, if you explode balloons, then I set a giant forest fire with a rocket.
20:39Amy Wilson:I just think maybe we should just take a step back from these. Gender reveal, but make it dangerous. Yeah. And then Andrea brought up not only promposals. Let's put a pin. We'll get back to promposals. But she said baby gender reveals, pet gender reveals. parents. I'm not making this up close parents. If you invite me to your pet gender reveal party, I will spray everyone at the party with a hose. I don't even understand that. So this be you're getting a dog from a breeder, which is already, you know, a choice, right? And then you know that you're going to get a girl puppy like seriously, nobody cares except or your parakeet like has eggs is a complete mystery.
21:21Amy Wilson:Skip my invitation to your gender reveal party and your Yeah, But really, your pet gender reveal party, I want no part of it. Okay. Let's go back to promposals, though. I have not been in the place of promposals. Like, they're not a thing so much in New York City. So, like, I've had a son go to a prom and he went with his girlfriend. It wasn't a promposal. It was understood. That's really what's so weird about it. Like, you're going out, like, you like each other. Well, you go to the prom with me. Again, it doesn't have to have skydiving in it. But now it kind of does. I'm going to go old school.
21:52Amy Wilson:Here's the correct way to ask anyone to the prom. You awkwardly shuffle up to their locker with always looking at your feet, making eye contact with your feet the entire time. Yes, yes. And then you awkwardly mumble in a voice that is almost too low to hear. Will you go to prom with me? That's how we ask people to the prom. There's no other way. I'm in general opposed to having important conversations over text. But if you are a shy teenager, that's also available. Will you go to the prom with me? Yeah, prom question mark as a text. That's fine with me. That's fine. But now you have to do. Yeah.
22:25When I saw this starting to happen for my friend's kids, I was just like, what in the world? Really? It's so stressful and outdated because it's like the guy has to ask the girl. I mean, I guess if it's two boys or two girls.
22:37Amy Wilson:I never got asked to the prom. I asked. I mean, I may have mentioned this before. I was not a popular child in high school and I ended up going to my senior prom with my first cousin because. is he won't let you forget it either. I've been in the room as he's brought it up. Yeah. But I mean, it is like what's scary about it to me looking back is like, I thought it was a really good idea. I was like, here's a solution to a problem. Like, I don't know any boys who will speak to me. I really get along with my cousin. I have a great time with him. I will bring him to the prom. And like, then people were like, how do you know each other?
23:14Amy Wilson:And I was like, we're cousins. And people were like appalled. It was a pretty weird move. But looking back, it didn't seem weird at the time. Here's a hot take for you. Why are proms a thing? Like, I think there should be a party that you get to celebrate that we're seniors. But this idea, my son's high school, because of COVID, did it on a boat last year. They did like a little dinner cruise around the Hudson River. And so it wasn't a dinner dance. You didn't have to sit down at table eight and then awkwardly ask. Like, there was a dance floor. There was music. You could also stand outside in the boat.
23:42You could also. And so groups of kids, some kids went with dates and some kids went with their friends. And you could wear a suit if you wanted to. and you could wear a Halloween costume if you wanted to. That's what it should be. Just be a big party.
23:53Amy Wilson:I guess. And then you can ask somebody. I mean, yeah, you can ask if they're going out, you're going to go together. Going back to our dating episode, I think it is nice to be able to be like, hey, I like this girl. I want to take her to prom, like to practice the feeling of like, I have a romantic feeling towards someone and I want to ask them to prom. But I think there should probably be an option for like, and that's always what we did. We went with a group. I would say back in my day, like you kind of had to have an identifiable date, like you to write your date's name on a card. And I went to an all girls school.
24:27Amy Wilson:So you had to like scrounge up a date. And the dates were boys at that time, for sure. Right. Like nobody was saying I'm gonna bring a girl. Yes, correct. That's right. So like your dates were boys. And I mean, it was a random, a sort of, I mean, a lot of us, especially me, had no contact with boys. So I, again, invited my cousin, but it was pretty awkward. I feel like if you go to a co-ed school or you're allowed to invite someone of any gender, then you're better off. Like it seems like, OK, first of all, it's less like heteronormative. Second of all, it's less pressure. And then also there could be an expectation of like no dates at all.
25:09Amy Wilson:But I think there is something a little bit in that time of life where it's like this is a good time to start practicing, like expressing romantic feelings towards other people. I guess you're one of those people. All right. We've gotten far afield. Let's just go back to why is this a thing? Yeah. How about kids milestones? This is an interesting thing. How are we made to feel so stressed about kids' milestones when it will all work out? Not talking about, sure, kids don't have major issues in addressing them, but more like if your kid potty trains at two versus three or they talk earlier or later, why does it sometimes feel like a competition?
25:45We've had a pediatrician write in about this before because we were sort of like, milestones that just make people feel bad. And this pediatrician was like, yeah, but we were talking about head sizes. How you and I and half the people we know were told our babies had dangerously giant baby heads and it was not, you know, like whatever. They just have big heads. Some babies have big heads. And this pediatrician was like, yeah, but sometimes it is a thing. So it's like these, we do need to have these. We're sorry we alarm people unnecessarily, but sometimes it's not unnecessarily. So that's true.
26:13This is what I think.
26:14Amy Wilson:Your milestones should come from your pediatrician, not your neighbors or your friends. Or Facebook. Right, right, right. Or Facebook. Because I do think I have often pushed back on the thing where I'm sort of like, what are your kids reading? Like I'm trying to find a good book for my fourth grader. And people are like, my child is reading, you know. Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings. And I'm like, okay, could I just talk to someone who was going to be like, my weird school books are fun for fourth graders. Like, I do think there's two different things going on here. So like, the developmental my sense of like, is your kid walking yet?
26:47Amy Wilson:Is he walking yet? Oh, mine's walking. He's cruising. he's pulling up. That's competition. But I absolutely agree that having had a kid who did not meet some developmental milestones, it turned out to be an issue that is fine now, but that needed to be addressed with physical therapy and some other therapies and that you want to do those therapies young. So if it feels like keeping up with the Joneses, like who's got the best walker conversation, it's a no. But if your pediatrician gives you developmental guidelines, you should pay attention to them. You should also take them with a grain of salt.
27:25Amy Wilson:My dad famously did not walk until he was like 16 months old. And my grandmother apparently like had back problems because she would carry him everywhere because she was so embarrassed. He didn't know how to walk. He turned out fine. So there is kids can talk at four and have no lingering issues. But you should not ignore a kid who doesn't have any words at four. Yeah, because everyone will basically turn out the same. Both things are true at the same time. This is hard because I feel like this is the like you have to set up your own sort of defense system around like, I'm not going to worry that my sister thinks that.
27:58Yep. It's weird. He's not walking it at 16 months. You have to sort of separate out what doesn't doesn't matter.
28:04Amy Wilson:I want to shout out Mara or it could be Mara kids shopping carts at stores. Like the first time I saw this, I was like, it's so adorable. And these are the worst ideas. My guess is that they're phasing these out because people have figured out that this is just an excuse for toddlers to ram other people's shins with carts while they run around pretending to shop. These are like, I'm sorry, guys, I'm unfamiliar as a city dweller. You're in New York City. They don't have these. It's a tiny regular shopping cart that they're going up and down the aisles with. Correct. It's like mommy's little helper.
28:36Amy Wilson:Yeah. I actually haven't seen one in a while, but they were a little bit hot when my kids were little. And the first time I saw one, I thought, oh, how fun. But you have your own full size shopping cart. You've completely lost control of your running toddler. You're doing this, right? Like you're like looking, you can't see over the edge of your six packs of Coke or whatever. All you can hear from like three hours away is like, sorry, mommy, I bashed the lady. And there's like someone crying and you're like, I'm just going to run away now. Yeah. Why are those a thing? That was a bad idea. A lot of people did not like dinosaurs on boy clothes.
29:08Amy Wilson:Why do all little boys clothes have dinosaurs or trucks on them? Why can't there be other popular prints for boys? Also, why is everything gray or blue? The girls section has all sorts of colors, but everything for little boys is gray or blue. Interesting. It's so true. If you go to a, you know, a store for little kids, like the clothes, there's like 80 % girls. And then there's like one little, you know, one aisle for boys. And yeah, they're definitely overselling. Now I had a dump truck aficionado in my house, but yeah, it's either dump trucks or dinosaurs and dinosaurs. I do think we sort of ran that down kids' throats like, you're going to learn a lot about dinosaurs, little boy.
29:44And it's like, it's one of many things a kid could be interested in.
29:47Amy Wilson:Yeah. And my daughter famously had like a three or four-year-old birthday party. And it was a princess paleontology party. So the kids all came in giant princess dresses. But then they had, we had little plastic paleontologist hats and they were like digging for dinosaur bones. And yeah, I think, yeah, the gender stuff is wild. I do think it's getting a little bit better, but at a snail's pace. There was a famous thing years ago that one of the big diaper company's boxes, the picture was a little boy wearing diapers, like a one-year-old just standing with a briefcase in his hand. And the other box, first of all, there's no such thing as girls' and boys' diapers.
30:29Amy Wilson:But the girl's box of diapers, the girl was doing something absurd, like she had a spatula. It was that kind of craziness. And people got outraged and they changed it. But like things change so slowly. The idea of like, can we not decide on like our child's gender based fate at one based on like wildly outdated concepts of what boys and girls are interested in? I think it is getting better. Like Target now is they just have kids clothes. They have preteens clothes. And there's no assumption that, you know, a kid who's a girl isn't going to want a dinosaur t-shirt. So we're getting there, but then there's the real world.
31:10Ways to go. All right, we'll be right back.
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33:03Amy Wilson:From the What Fresh Health podcast. Ugh, I hurt myself turning over too vigorously while I was napping. Oh, that wasn't long ago. It was about like 10 years ago in the late 90s. I hope they gave you a discount on those jeans with the big holes in them. I can't understand any of the words to this song. Is it from the TikTok? Tuck? Why is Madonna playing on the oldies station? Honey, don't worry. If I'm going to be late, I'll leave you a message on the answering machine on your cell phone. Hold on. I'll be right there. I just need to get up from the couch. Kids, stop screaming in the car or I can't concentrate to parallel park.
33:40I just need to print out this email so I can read it more carefully.
33:44Amy Wilson:Oh, let me get a picture. You look so cute. Okay. Hold on. Somehow it's on video. Oh no, wait. Now it's me. No, I don't want a picture of my face. How do I flip the camera? Please stay still. You're so cute. I'm going to get it. What is portrait mode? You know, back in my day. This has been Things We Say Now That Make Us Suspect We Are Oldie Luxe. From the What Fresh Out Podcast.
34:10Amy Wilson:Amy, let's start random. Let's just go in real random. And I could not agree with this more. Big eyebrows. This is such a funny thing. I mean, Amy and I see each other. I have never done anything with my eyebrows. You have dark eyebrows. Do you do stuff to your eyebrows? I mean, I put like eyebrow pencil on them as part of my makeup. Yes. Because I mean, I've got like dark hair, pale skin. So and my eyebrows, you know, I'm of a certain age. My eyebrows need a little help. I do not do anything to my eyebrows. But I realize I probably should. But thinking about my eyebrows has truly never occurred to me during this lifetime.
34:49Amy Wilson:I have never thought to myself, like, I need my eyebrows to look different. I have one eyebrow that grows like crazy long, like Andy Rooney, like it will go into my eyeball eventually. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I eventually I usually cut that off because it really it looks insane that I have one like three foot long eyebrow. But I've had that since I was like a teenager. I occasionally do clip that bad boy back. But the thing you see it on Facebook all the time, they're like, look at this amazing thing. And then they put like a piece of plastic on their eyebrow and they put like powder on it. And then they pull it off.
35:24Amy Wilson:And to me, they have like Muppet eyebrows, like two giant pieces of felt above their eyes. But that's very hot now. That is strange to me because I'm like, yes, I like a well-filled in brow. You know, I like when there's hair, but I don't understand the like stenciled triangle of brown marker. But we're, see, we're not supposed to. It's not for us. Yeah. I mean, I've seen the reveals and I'm like, oh, no, this lady's going to scream when she sees her crazy face. And she's like, it's perfect. Like it's that foreign to me. And sometimes people tattoo it on. Why is that a thing? Oh, Lord, people.
35:58Amy Wilson:God bless you. Whatever you want to do with your eyebrows, respect. But I agree that I find it very confusing. Let's go to another random one. Katie wants to know why puppuccinos are a thing. Do you know what these are? I mean, another on the list of 8 ,000 reasons I don't have a dog. Yeah. She said, my kids begged me to get one for a dog after watching some dog vlog. Why are those a thing? And it was literally some whipped cream in a cup. I feel like a fool. Marshmallow doesn't know about puppuccinos. I'm going to say that I blame the TikTok for many of these things. I feel like TikTok is responsible for dogs need a cappuccino.
36:35For dogs need a lot of things, right? Like I had to find a picture of my dog recently. We're renting a house for a week this summer and we were going to bring the dog. And so the owner of the home quite reasonably is like, I just asked for a picture of the pet. So I kind of understand, you know, what kind of pet it is. I like that you think that's reasonable. I think it's really weird, but OK. What's her house? It's her house and I'm bringing the dog. What can she tell about a dog from a picture? I guess, you know, it's small. You can tell what kind of breed it is and how big it is. Yeah, like it's small.
37:02Well, what's small? Let me see it. But anyway, for me to dig up a picture of Marshmallow. And I wasn't home at the time I was traveling. So I couldn't just, you know, go take a picture of her. To find a picture of Marshmallow, I finally had to go to one of my kids' Instagram feeds to find a picture of my dog, like with sunglasses on, of course. There's a lot to unpack in that phrase, Amy. But that's unusual, I think, for a dog owner these days to not have like extensive... Photo evidence? Proof photo evidence of their daily existence.
37:28Amy Wilson:I do take a lot of pictures of my cat because she's just cute. Another thing that we have to blame on TikTok, many things. People shouted out Elf on the Shelf, the Leprechaun, like all of the like fake holiday things. the leprechaun trap. That was what my sister, she's like, do not finish this episode without saying like leprechaun traps, like people, we have to stop with this. Yeah, I think that's, and I don't know if that's TikTok, but I do know that anything but a backpack day, we can blame on TikTok. I have never heard of this, but seven different people wrote mean things about it as they should.
38:00Amy Wilson:So what's anything but a backpack day? Someone posted recently, apparently it's a thing that kids schools now do, anything but a backpack day. Like you can bring your school supplies in anything but a backpack. Like you can bring it like in a garbage bag, like a Santa sack, or you can bring it in like a suitcase. It's like a fun thing to do. But I mean, apparently Gina definitely says this is something we can blame TikTok for. Yeah. Like I'm trying to think like how you could be extra with that. There are probably a lot of ways. Like, so you just put it in a different bag and bring it to school in a different bag.
38:35Who cares? But there's probably... How is this fun for the kids? Because once they're just walking into school and then putting it away. I just feel like guys, it's all fun enough. It's school. It's not supposed to be fun. This is a good one. Jenna wants to know like why it's a thing that when you have a Facebook birthday that everybody else has to go through, people are just being nice, right? But there are people who are like, they will let you, they'll say happy birthday every year on Facebook, even though you haven't seen each other in 15 years. And now you have to like go in and individually thank the 300 people who have wished you a happy birthday on Facebook.
39:05Why is this a thing? Now you have to message them back on Facebook to say thank you for messaging me, wishing me a happy birthday. And it's a thing. I mean, I just don't. But I feel bad about it. And don't write back to the 300 people. We've talked about this before.
39:17Amy Wilson:Two kind of people in the world. People who reply to everybody who wishes them happy birthday on Facebook and people who don't. And people who wish people happy birthdays on Facebook and people who don't. I am neither of these people. Yes, I'm a Facebook wisher, generally. And then I, again, like I probably set the bar too high. I started by being like, hey, Amy, I really think that you are an awesome podcast. So I actually try to say something nice to the person. OK. Instead of HBD. Yeah. Well, I do like to write to some people and be like, I have gone out of my way to come all the way to your wall with these three simple letters, HBD.
39:53Amy Wilson:Like I try to make a joke of how dumb it is to which people. And then I have a friend, one of my closest friend's husband does my favorite thing that happens on Facebook. He does a bit every year on his birthday, where he about four o 'clock in the afternoon starts calling out people by tagging them who have not wished him happy birthday. And he puts like a big clock up and he's like, the clock is ticking. I have not heard from and they're like, I'm sure like his mechanic and like just random people. But it is to me such a funny bit. I laugh at it every year. I wait his birthday every year when he starts like, randomly naming people who have yet to wish him happy birthday, because it's a great goof on what's so dumb about that.
40:34It's a great goof. Although I will say like when I do wake, it's not like I'm not happy on my birthday to wake up and have 300 people I went to high school with wishing me a happy birthday. Like it is kind of nice. But it's an empty, it's a kind of an empty happiness.
40:45Amy Wilson:You know, it's a little bit like I got a, I think I posted on Facebook. I got a text one morning and it was like, on your special day, we hope that great things, you know, and I was like, who is this from? And it was from my dentist from like four years, like seven years ago when I lived in LA. Like dentist, dentist, previous, previous. It's kind of like, I don't need a text from my, and it was really emotional. I was like, is this from like my long lost brother? And it was like, no, it's from your dentist from seven years ago. Why are those a thing? I want to just read. There was a lot of complaining about swimsuits and how they fit and don't cover the right pieces.
41:23Amy Wilson:But Chrissy really summed this whole topic up with, amen, cut those things below the cheeks, people. Nobody looks good with half a cheek oozing out. No. No. I mean, cover the bum. That's the thing. I think there are some people who look good in almost anything, but I like a lot of coverage at this point. Okay. I have a good one. Jen, you are ringing my bell with this one. Why does it take 40 minutes to check into a hotel that you've already reserved. I just went on vacation with my husband and my daughter. And they're like, sit down. I think they think the longer that it takes, the more glamorous that it feels to you.
42:01It's like, okay, just give me my key. It should take 30 seconds. And they type and they type. And then there's a screen. They have to sign something. And yeah, what is that about? Why is that a thing? You should be able to just walk to your room. I think there are certain apps where you can do that. But I hate that.
42:16Amy Wilson:Wait, I feel, tell me if I'm right. The more expensive the hotel, the longer it takes to check in. Absolutely. Because we spend a lot of time at like holiday inns, you know, like we drive up and, okay, let's stay nearer to the place we're going. And if you go on, you know, a more generic brand hotel, my husband has an app where the key to the room pops up on his phone. You walk in and you walk right to your room and you check in. but twice lately one was disney world and the other was my husband and i got away for a weekend and we had points from the pandemic and we upgraded to really fancy hotels and for some reason like they want you to start the experience with like 40 minutes of standing around while they check 86 different things amen and like this place our room wasn't ready yet so like we'll text you when your room's ready p.s they didn't i go back like two hours later like is our room ready oh oh, yes, it is.
43:12And I'm like, you know, have my hand out. Like I have the key. Have a seat. Like, I don't want to have a seat. I don't want this like bespoke experience. Hand me my room key. We're not friends. Give me a key. Yes. Reader, I sat down. I did sit down eventually when it was clear it wasn't going to be a 30 second exchange. Yeah. I don't know why that's a thing.
43:32Amy Wilson:But why? You're right. Like why? That's how it was at Disney World, too. Like we stayed at a fancy place. And it was very much like, have a seat. It's like, I've got 46 bags and 92 children. Like, why would I want to have a seat? And Disney World is right over there. Can I please just be done with this part of it? Right. We're not here to sit in the lobby and experience it. Get me out of here. Amy, how about we finish with a speed round? Got it. Let's do it. You ready? Yes. How about shirts that don't have shoulders? Like the cold shoulder thing, right? Like they have straps. But then, yeah, those are kind of over now, right?
44:09Like, I think those are mostly on clearance racks at this point.
44:11Amy Wilson:I think so. We go to some mom conferences and mom events. And I will say there was a couple of years where like the cold shoulder, they call them cold shoulder because it's just a hole at your shoulders. I don't know who came up with this idea. I think they look terrible on everyone. And I'm not a fan. There's a picture of me right here on the wall. I wish guys could see it. I'm wearing a dress that has a cold shoulder thing. It was like a beach picture of our whole extended family. And like, it'll be forever 2018. When I look at that picture. Amy, needing scissors to open scissor packages. So a package of scissors that you need.
44:49It's a good one. That shouldn't be. Those should definitely tear to open.
44:53Amy Wilson:It's a good one. Candles on cakes. I thought the pandemic ended that. Went to a party recently, and the kid blew all over the cake. I just was at a birthday party and they had sparkler candles. And they were like, yeah, we're done with blowing on cakes. We know that's disgusting now. Yeah. I'm trying to think like, is there another way? Could you wave your hand over them to blow them out? Not really. Right. That just. I think you got to move to the sparklers or you just forget. Like you just were like, yeah, we're going to just do a mind wipe and forget. Just sing happy birthday. Junk mail. We already know how you handle your junk mail.
45:23Amy Wilson:We've already discussed this. You throw it out in the lobby. I sort on the way in. Yes. You sort. Do you have that sorting mechanism set up? You were going to move to my apartment building and then we decided, you know, you could just have. Would you like to take nine guesses about whether or not I set up a mail sorting? No. System. I did not. I did not. I did not. I did not. Slime people. No more slime. We were very recently gifted slime. And I it was a close enough friend of mine that I was like, do you hate me? Like who gives someone slime? Yeah. People talk about how it gets into your rug.
45:56Amy Wilson:That's it. From the new slime, I'm banging on my table in fury. I have a new slime stain. That's it. Like you cut off that part of the rug or just have it there and close. Was it ever that fun, slime? There has never been a moment of joy, only moments of tears that have resulted from slime. Yeah, it's just not worth it. Someone says getting carted. Why am I still getting carted at the grocery store? I have good genes, but I know I'm not under 21. One, I feel I have to say I was carded the other day at a diner when I ordered a drink and I literally laughed at the guy. He said, do you have ID? I was with I had not brought my wallet because I was with my husband who was paying because I'm a 1950s housewife, apparently.
46:40Amy Wilson:But I just literally laughed at the guy and I was like, that table of kids over there are all mine and they're all teenagers. It is literally physically impossible for me to be under 21. And he brought me a drink. But I did not mind being carded. I felt it was complimentary. I don't mind. Yeah. I mean, I mind it when it's like, oh, my wallet's in the car. Like, really? I have to go out to the car to get my ID. But I'll take the win, even though I know they're just doing it because they do it to everybody. Amy, let's finish strong with a random one that really tickled my fancy because it is annoying and I hadn't thought about it.
47:13Amy Wilson:Schools teaching reduce, reuse, recycle by letting kids make crafts out of other people's trash. Have you had this? Trish says, seriously, I don't need a gross used soy milk carton boat for our tub or a box that could have been recycled, transformed into a mansion. I really laughed because this is, I get the idea. Listen, good on you for trying to teach, but like the solution to our earth's problems do not come from my kids making things out of our trash. It comes from reduce. Like I think we kind of forget, right? We forget. We always say this, right? It's garbage the minute it comes in your front door, not the minute you throw it out, right?
47:56Amy Wilson:It's like, that's it. That's where we hate goodie bags. That's where we hate like puppuccinos. Like we don't need to create more and more things, but then don't make me make a silly hat out of the puppuccino cup because that somehow is saving the earth. So we're going to reduce puppuccinos, bushy eyebrows, and the amount of slime. We're reducing it all. Let's reduce everything that should not exist. That's what we've learned. That's how we've solved it today. Yep. We don't want this to be a thing. Friends, what we do want to be a thing is you reviewing our podcast. Yes? Yeah. Yeah. Review and throw some stars.
48:36Give us a couple of, you know, HBDs if you're listening right now. Yeah.
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