Why Are Some Kids Shy?

11:26Heidi Rodriguez:which literally everybody does, right? This is it. It's just some kids really feel this. True for everybody, really true for some people. Really true for some.

11:32Angela Santomero:And also really true for 18-month-olds through three-year-olds universally. So we're talking about probably a little bit older than that. Withdrawal, stopping play and pulling back from unfamiliar people or objects.

11:45Heidi Rodriguez:I saw this in my shy kid, quote unquote, shy kid, that they would enter a preschool classroom and choose the area of the classroom where nobody else was playing. Didn't matter what it was, as long as it was empty.

11:57Angela Santomero:Vigilance, being highly observant of surroundings for potential threats. Sensitivity to novelty, strong reaction to new stimuli. Something new happens that they're not used to. Some of this is biological, right? As we've said, some kids have more sensitive nervous systems. Yes. And they react more strongly than other kids to new people or new environments, right? Right. I had a kid recently that I took to the zoo and after every animal, look at the giraffe. Oh, that's great. Are we going home now? They just were not feeling the zoo. They were like, yeah, I'm going to play along. Not at the giraffe.

12:34Angela Santomero:Is it time to go? I'm like, no, next up zebras. Then they'd see the zebras. Oh, zebras.

12:39Heidi Rodriguez:Are we going yet? This is the same. Right. My kid who seemed strangely unaffected by Disney World, like underreacted to everything and was terrified of the characters. Like, oh, this was a new people and environment overwhelm situation. And I was like, what is with this kid not enjoying Disney World? It's a no thanks.

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16:31Angela Santomero:Okay, so we're still talking about the APA, American Pediatrics Association, Dictionary of Behavioral Inhibition. Okay. Temperamental basis. It's considered an early emerging temperament, sometimes seen from infancy as a strong negative reaction to novel stimuli.

16:49Heidi Rodriguez:Oh, that's interesting. So a baby that might cry a loud noise might be more likely. It's interesting that doesn't track with my own kids, but I could see that that would be true.

16:57Angela Santomero:And I think this is where we're going to spend the meat of talking about this. It is a risk factor for anxiety. While not all behaviorally inhibited children develop anxiety, stable behavioral inhibition significantly increases the risk for social anxiety and other anxiety disorders.

17:17Heidi Rodriguez:Consistent and persistent, like your kid is seven years old and still doesn't really want to meet anybody new. Yeah.

17:23Angela Santomero:I'm always wary about putting these things in front of parents in terms of like, well, if you see this, they're doomed. It's not that. Right. It's saying like all kids have something. And if you're seeing this, your kid may be on the more anxious end of the spectrum. We can deal with that when we get there. It's going to be okay. But something to just note, variability. The expression of behavioral inhibition can change over time, as you said, right? Like my kid was this, now they're that. Some children grow out of it. Others persist and will develop clinical anxiety.

17:57Heidi Rodriguez:Okay. And then here's the reasons why that it might persist. Yes. Stressful or overwhelming environments. Right.

18:03Angela Santomero:Like a kid who is being raised in a war zone is going to be more fearful than someone raised in an environment with no meaningful trauma.

18:15Heidi Rodriguez:Parenting styles, I'm wary of this one, but it's saying an overprotective parent versus a gently encouraging parent might mean that the expression of behavioral inhibition can persist. I don't know. Isn't that just like an anxious parent is going to have an anxious child because anxiety is inherited?

18:32Angela Santomero:I don't think so. And Meredith Elkins made this point really well. And it really stuck with me that in our effort, which is noble and right to say like, we are not blaming moms ever for the outcome of their kids. And this is not your fault that we don't want to skip over that parenting styles do have effects on children. We have to find the balance between like, well, if they have autism, it's because their mom was a refrigerator mother and they stunk and being like the way you parent has no outcome on your kids and every choice is equally valid. And I think that that's a place where you and I as moms sometimes overcorrect a little bit to be like, we're not here to blame moms.

19:16Angela Santomero:We are not here to blame moms. But what we're saying is for things like shyness and shyness that leads to anxiety, there are ways that you can adapt your parenting for better outcomes. And that's fair.

19:31Heidi Rodriguez:Yes, point taken. And I'm thinking about this gently encouraging thing. I did not have a kid with selective mutism, which is when a kid can speak but chooses not to. But chooses not to. One of my kids had a kid in their class who was selectively mute at school. I knew this. We had a birthday party in our home. Kids were little. I think it was a fifth birthday party. And they were all going around the circle and saying something they want. And I knew that this kid was selectively mute. And when it was their turn, I said, I'm going to make up a name, Jessica. What do you think? What do you think we should sing about next?

20:01Heidi Rodriguez:And I thought I was doing the right thing in the moment. I'm just being gently encouraging. But here I was like a stranger. She was in a strange place and a stranger was having everybody look at her. Now it's Jessica's turn. What should we sing about next? And I remember just the look of fear in her eyes. And she eventually said something. And it's okay. The world continued to revolve on its axis and all. But I wonder if my well-meaning efforts, I'm just going to really help her in this moment speak when she doesn't want to was really the right response.

20:30Angela Santomero:Yeah, it wasn't probably. And it doesn't mean you're a bad person, a bad parent. You should never be allowed to throw birthday parties again. And we all hate you. Right. But to say that being an extremely protective parent for whatever reasons you have, you have very good reasons to feel that you need to be extremely protective of your child. That came with you in your baggage, right? Right. But to acknowledge that children who have less free play and live in an extremely protective environment often have higher anxiety than children who do not is worthwhile information for parents. And we can take out the part where we're like, Amy, you really screwed up that kid.

21:15Angela Santomero:it's all your fault. But you can say a restrictive and overprotected environment, conversely, because it kind of goes against what we're keeping our children safe by walking with them to the store, even though they're 13 years old, you know, and clearing a path of obstacles for them. We're doing what we think is best. But what if we're actually think about nutrition, right? That like, oh, I was told that eating 19 bananas a day is the way to go. You're actually making your potassium too high and that's bad for your heart. Like you're trying to do the right thing, but let experts come in and guide the choices that you're making because they have more information than you.

21:57Angela Santomero:Right. We skipped the part where we're like, what kind of idiot eats nine bananas a day? Your heart attack is your own fault.

22:04Heidi Rodriguez:Yeah. What kind of idiot has a kid who's shy and you should do whatever you need to do to make them not shy? But it's just if you or someone you know experiences behavioral inhibition and it is something that can become very stable over time, you want to help that person gently push against it, not make sure your kid never has to talk to a stranger because they don't want to.

22:24Angela Santomero:Here's something I thought was really interesting that goes into my why are some kids category. I'd never heard this before. I thought it was super, super interesting from healthychildren.org. It breaks up nine characteristics that make up temperament. Are you ready for them? Sure. Number one, activity level, the level of physical activity, motion, restlessness, fidgety behavior that a child shows daily. Okay. Rhythmicity or regularity, the presence or absence of regular patterns for basic physical functions, appetite, sleep, bowel habits.

22:58Heidi Rodriguez:That's really interesting. Rhythmicity, your kid has a Arrhythmicity. Okay.

23:02Angela Santomero:Approach and withdrawal. The way a child first responds to new stimulus. People, situations, places, food, changes in routine, other transitions. Okay. Adaptability. How easily a child adjusts to change or a new situation. How well they modify their reaction. I would just say how they modify their reaction, not how well they modify their reaction, because it's just information. I wouldn't say like one is better than the other.

23:26Heidi Rodriguez:Right. And you could have a kid who's supremely adaptable and who doesn't seem to care about anything and goes with the flow.

23:33Angela Santomero:Intensity, the energy level with which a child responds to a situation, positive or negative. So that's like, I slam my finger in the door. God knows I have a kid who would be like, ow, what's for dinner? And I have a kid who we would have 25 hours on. I slam my finger in the door. That's intensity. Mood, how positive or negative a child's words and behavior tend to be. Okay, there's that point. Yeah. Attention span, the ability to concentrate and stay with the task. Obviously, distractibility is kind of the flip side of that. How easily they are distracted and sensory threshold, the amount of stimulation required for a child to respond.

24:10Heidi Rodriguez:This is so interesting because in my own family, the kid who other people would call shy most often, let me say it that way, like we get that feedback from other people, had an extremely high sensory threshold. So you would think that it would be like the kid who doesn't like loud noises or the kid who the baby who really cried when their diaper needed changing, whatever. That was not true for this kid. So it seems like these sliding scales can interact in many, many different ways.

24:35Angela Santomero:We'll put a link to this so that you can review it when you're not driving or doing laundry. But this is, and this is one person's opinion, this is not fact, but it is a theory that there is a way to kind of figure out your kid's starting point and temperament by judging these nine areas. And I thought it was super interesting. And it is really important, I think, to approach these things as what we call morally neutral. That like being active or not active is not good or bad. Being reactive to sensory or not reactive is not good or bad. Having a positive or negative mood is not even good or bad.

25:16Angela Santomero:It's just saying, I definitely know we're going to the amusement park. Hooray, we're going. We've got our outfits on. We've got our sunscreen on. Here we go. we pull up to the gate. The amusement park is closed today. I could tell you before which of my three kids are going to respond which way, who I'm going to have to work with, who's going to be like, I guess we could go to Burger King instead and go to the playground. I have kids who are more adaptable or less, more reactive or less, tend to see things more positively or more negatively. It's just information for me to have. And it helps to take out the thing of like, well you were in the day by reacting badly to the fact that the amusement park was closed like of

25:58Heidi Rodriguez:course they did that's their temperament and it also helps when you have a kid who is really a hair trigger or a kid who is extremely has great behavioral inhibition that they do kind of come out this way and you can support them where they need support right every kid needs support somewhere and you can support them when they need support you don't have to feel bad about yourself that you got a kid who cries easily. Parent the child you have.

26:21Angela Santomero:Here is healthy children's description of, now they define a bunch of temperaments, and this is the shy or slow to warm up, hesitant, or shy child. These children tend to have moods of mild intensity, usually but not always negative. They adapt more slowly to unfamiliar surroundings of people. They are often hesitant and shy when making new friends tend to withdraw when first meeting new people in circumstances. They typically become more accepting of new people and situations once they become more familiar.

26:52Heidi Rodriguez:This is very familiar and I love slow to warm up. It's a slightly more neutral way of putting it.

26:58Angela Santomero:Yeah, I think it's super interesting as you look at these temperaments, they're like dials, right? And we're always talking about like working the dials and like you're trying to, you know, maybe move the dials a little bit, you're not like shy is bad. You need to be outgoing. You're just saying, okay, if you know that shyness tends to have moods of mild intensity that are more than often negative, that's something we're working on as a mindset. I mean, I look at this and I think it would be an interesting exercise that my kids maybe are formed already and not as useful, but to like really go through this list and do it for each child and be like, that's right.

27:37Angela Santomero:they're very reactive, but they don't have strong reaction to stimuli. Like, it's really just figuring out who your kid is so that you can figure out how to help them. And like, when you talk about overprotective parenting being the problem, it's not that we're putting it on moms that they're the problem. It's that we're saying like, okay, Bam Bam is running up to the high dive and just launching themselves off and not even looking at who's in the water beforehand. I need to rein him in a little bit. Yeah, you're not going to let that kid do that. That's right. But Niles Crane might need a little bit of a push to go off the low diving board.

28:15Angela Santomero:Because the more they do things, the more self-esteem they'll have. And so it's not about saying your parenting stinks. It's about saying, do you know what the dials are? And you know how to adjust them. Saying this, by the way, for myself and you and everyone.

28:31Heidi Rodriguez:They do interplay. Yeah. They interplay because this little warm-up child's like, oh they're shy and then they also have these moods of mild intensity usually but not always when they experience unfamiliar surroundings or people like those aren't separate those are they're all wrapped up together it's wrapped up and it helps you be i think a little more when a kid is having a hard time they're having a hard time and they might throw a tantrum to tell you they really don't want to go into this birthday party where they don't know anybody they might turn up the dials their own noise to show you how much distress they're in i think just getting it just witnessing that something else is happening.

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31:44Angela Santomero:And now, extroverts versus introverts. From the Webfresh Health Podcast. Extroverts. Go hard and then go home. Introverts.

31:54Heidi Rodriguez:Go home, stay home, repeat. Extroverts. Answer the phone even when it's an unknown caller. Introverts. Mute calls from their husband and their mom several times a day. Extroverts. Worry that unforeseen events will cancel plans.

32:12Angela Santomero:Introverts. Worry that fully foreseen plans will happen and they will actually have to go. Extroverts.

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32:36Angela Santomero:So, this is another thing that came up when I wasn't thinking about it, is how cultures value quietness and restraint. So this is a medium article, another theory. This is not a factual basis, and people could argue this from different ways, but it's just another way to think, which I think is so interesting. The West, influenced by Greek philosophy on debate and oratory, talking is evidence of thinking. In a lot of Asian cultures, influenced by Buddhism, talking is downplayed. enlightenment is achieved through introspection and reflection. Got it. Isn't that interesting that we value somebody who's talking and explaining?

33:20Angela Santomero:And it's funny because I teach communication and I often ask people to think of celebrities and how they communicate. And one of the metrics that we use, which is sort of random, is called 8-5-3. 8 being like your most outgoing, confident self, five being true neutral, and three, it's not like you're shyest. It's nothing negative. It's just your quietest, most introspective. And so eight might be like Steve Harvey, right? Or Kevin Hart, like a comedian, right? They're big. They're expressive.

33:53Heidi Rodriguez:Marcelo Hernandez from Saturday Night Live.

33:56Angela Santomero:That's right, right? And then five, I often use like Obama as an example. He's a true neutral to me. He's a very good orator and a very good speaker, but it doesn't have like showmanship along with it. And three, I often use religious figures like a Jesus or a Buddha who just is, they're more silent, you know, they're more quiet leaders. And that the most important part of teaching these communication styles, which is just, again, like this is information about how you communicate, is that three, eight, and five have no good or bad attached to them. They're just different ways of communicating.

34:33Angela Santomero:You're not better if you're Kevin Hart and worse if you're Buddha. They're just different, very strong ways of communicating.

34:41Heidi Rodriguez:And within this idea that Western society values talking more than maybe some other parts in the world, and then America is its own thing. I mean, ask anybody from another Western country, say in Europe, to imitate how Americans talk. It is loud. It is fast. It is incessant. We annoy people with how we make a lot of noise and take up a lot of space and won't stop talking.

35:04Angela Santomero:We had a dinner once a long time ago in Prague in the Czech Republic, and it was probably 12 of us, family cousins. We had gone over to run the marathon. It was a huge group. We just had a classic family dinner, like, oh, my God, talking. And somebody on the way out dropped a note on our table, and it was like, you rude American monsters. Other people are trying to enjoy their dinner. To us, like, it was just the most typical dinner. Like just the way you behave at a restaurant, laughing and talking and cheers and oh, my gosh. And I mean, we were taken. I was very embarrassed. But I was like, wow, this really is just a cultural difference.

35:41Angela Santomero:I think it's like we actually it's not like we were like breaking plates. We were just having to us a fairly normal conversation. Right. We value assuming that most people listening are American.

35:53Heidi Rodriguez:We do value being loud, being forthcoming. and so then we devalue an introverted presentation even more maybe than other cultures.

36:02Angela Santomero:Correct, I believe that's absolutely true. So I like the moral neutrality of it, but we should address when does shyness become a problem? Because it can. Because shyness, if it's fear-based, you wanna try to address that fear. You don't want fear to be ruling your child's or your own actions. And we've also established that shyness can lead to anxiety problems and social anxiety disorder, which has the very awful acronym of SAD as to seasonal affective disorder. SAD. SAD. When is shyness a concern? asks the National Institute of Mental Health. Here are three signs that they want us to look for.

36:46Angela Santomero:Number one, avoiding school or peers. So I know some people dealing with it and we dealt with it in my own family. the person in my family who had school refusal, one of the least shy people I have ever met. They have a profession that involves public speaking. They're like very funny, like they hit at every party. But the school refusal was weirdly connected to like shyness. You want to look, as Meredith Elkin said about anxiety, where is it impacting your daily life, right? How is it affecting you? So when my OCD is like, okay, I'm going to rearrange the desk before I stand up, no big deal. When my OCD is I'm picking the skin off my fingers and or touching 9 ,000 things and late for meetings because I can't stop touching things, it's a problem.

37:36Angela Santomero:So you have to just look for areas where it's affecting you. So one of the things to look at is this, where is it affecting you. Another great gauge for when this is a problem is intensity. If you're seeing an intensity of distress or panic, you've got a problem. So avoidance, interference, and intensity are like three goalposts you should use to say, is this a temperament that is one of the many temperaments and is morally neutral? Or are we moving into an area where this has become a problem.

38:12Heidi Rodriguez:Right. And it is also morally neutral to need support, to parent a kid with social anxiety, to get support. It is not a sign that you failed or that your kid is failing. It is a sign of your loving parenting that you recognize that this kid needs more support in this area.

38:30Angela Santomero:So we can give that support ourselves and we'll run through this list from ChildMind about helping shy kids, but also if this is becoming a problem that is bigger than something you can handle, there's lots of professionals who can help you with this. Lots of books you can read. So if this is something that is at that point of avoidance, high intensity or high interference, it might be time to talk to a professional about this and not just use this checklist that we're presenting you. But here are some ways we're going to help shy kids. Number one, as we've talked about, avoid labels like shy in front of the child.

39:07Angela Santomero:You're so shy. Stop being so shy. Oh, he's shy. He doesn't like to give hugs. Like with anything, picky eating, whatever it is, when you label a child, that label becomes heavy very quickly. Yeah.

39:19Heidi Rodriguez:And maybe share this episode if you have somebody in your family who doesn't get that they're not supposed to do that.

39:26Angela Santomero:Yeah. It's a good idea. Prepare kids for situations in advance. Again, why are kids? This is not just shy kids. This is kids with food aversions. This is kids who are on the spectrum. We're going to go there. There's going to be 12 people there. You can talk to one or none. You know, here's how, why this might be difficult, why this might not be difficult. Again, we're trying not to add difficulties, but preparation helps kids with anxiety, with all sorts of different things. There's going to be pizza there. I know you don't always like to eat pizza. If you feel ready to try it? Great. If not, I brought a ham sandwich in my bag, whatever it happens to me.

40:07Angela Santomero:Right, right. You got to find your own balance and not, you know, not solving problems that don't exist, but helping to prepare.

40:14Heidi Rodriguez:This next one goes back to what I was saying before. Respect this kid's pace and don't force participation. I'm thinking about this kid who was selectively mute. And just as I was about to be like, OK, this is in the millisecond. I'm like, this is a mistake and I shouldn't make this kid talk. She did. She did talk. She did say something. And then we went on but I learned from that yeah like thinking you're going to help this kid by forcing them to talk is

40:36Angela Santomero:not the best approach no and it this is something you're gonna have to figure we can't actually tell you how to parent your child right but it might look like do you want to share today right head nod okay we'll move on so you don't skip her because you're like oh this kid doesn't talk I'll skip her you just always put it in their path here we're having eggplant parmesan for dinner put on your plate. If you don't like it, there's a role there, but we're not going to stop offering you. Right. Praise effort, not performance. This one is again, why are kids? This is a great thing. I love how you went to the end of the board and you looked in the water.

41:12Angela Santomero:That was a big step for you. Normally you don't even go past the steps. I saw that you got all the way to the edge. Like, wow, you're really trying. You're really challenging yourself. That's so impressive to me. We're praising the effort, not you didn't jump in the water. So you failed. Right, right.

41:28Heidi Rodriguez:No ice cream for you today. And then you can talk about coping skills, deep breathing, scripts for introductions. There's great books out there aimed at kids like this that that have scripts that you can read with your kids, talk to your kids about, you know, what should you say if somebody at the Boy Scout meeting asks you what you like to do? I wonder what you would say. Talk about it on the way.

41:48Angela Santomero:So helpful. You've also talked about practicing meditation and other breathing exercises. There's a GIF. You can find it anywhere. Some people say GIF, but I've used it with all my kids. You can Google breathing GIF, and it's like a little window that opens and closes. It's like match your breathing to this. And I have some kids who, when they feel out of control, saying calm down is not helpful. But if I pull that gif out and I'm like, I just want you to breathe along with this breathe in breathe out with the picture Simple things that can really help before you find yourself in the situation Sometimes things like finding a buddy, right?

42:29Angela Santomero:And this you've said that you've had people reach out. I've reached out Hey at the birthday party your kid is the only other kid my kid knows Can you have your kid look out for my kid a little bit in this situation? I wouldn't do this all the time. I think kids have to figure this out on their own, but like it's okay you can also for yourself find a tribe hey we're still we're all struggling this is what is working for your kid what's working for my kid and then i think also adjusting expectations right all right i got a bam bam who just will fling himself off of the high dive or the lake swing but i have found looking back at my parenting that the times where i was the most misguided was when i was like the lake swing is fun.

43:14Angela Santomero:Therefore, my kid cannot have fun at the lake unless they go off the lake swing. That is a me problem. My kid might be having fun at the lake by making a pile of rocks away from the water. And I'm so busy. Like the story of the lake is we go off the lake swing. And if my kid doesn't do that, then they're not having fun. That's my bad parenting. That's interesting.

43:38Heidi Rodriguez:Yeah. Yeah. In my case, I think it's like if I get all these things set up, if I make sure that the mom knows that her kid is going to wave to my kid and you said and it still doesn't go well. Right. What am I even saying? Even saying doesn't go well, doesn't go well as in like your kid is still shy that day. It doesn't mean that anything anything wrong happened. I'm going to lay these takeaways on you before we go.

43:57Angela Santomero:Number one, quietness can be strength. So you may need to reform your own ideas about quietness. We talked about this with the Prague table. We talked about this with the loud Americans. You can think like this shyness is introspective, like Buddhism, and that many cultures think that looking within is more valuable than speaking out loud. What is the famous quote that people use at their wedding? Like, love is not a clanging gong. It's like a quiet reflection, you know? Reframe your thinking about it. Many shy kids grow into thoughtful, empathetic adults. That's my Uncle No-No story. Uncle No-No is a wonderful, empathetic adult.

44:39Angela Santomero:Yes. And the final thing I want to say is that shyness, like any other personality trait, although people would argue whether or not it's a personality trait, is a variation. It is like anxiety. It needs to be managed, not cured.

44:54Heidi Rodriguez:Yeah. This was very, very helpful to me. And I'm going to be, you know, rethinking this and looking into this some more because I think there's work to be done here for me. For me.

45:04Angela Santomero:Yeah, I thought it was super interesting. And we're going to list those nine characteristics that make up temperament because I'm going to go through it and do it with my own kids and be like, OK, what am I dealing with here? And my kids are one of them is heading to college like the cake is baked at this point. But I'm still interested in doing this.

45:23Heidi Rodriguez:the ways that you help your kids as they grow can still be informed by your understanding of their internal temperaments, for sure. Absolutely. If you know someone who has a shy kid and you found

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