Sam Morril: Jokes, Outrage, and the New Rules of Comedy

32:30No you're probably right Guys You're sweating the whole night Wait So when you wake up The morning shower Yes Is the one where you put The most effort Yes More soap More Exactly Do you shower again before you go out at night, if you're going out somewhere? Sometimes. It depends on how humid the day was. If it's not humid, then no. Because I'm just conscious of my sweat. But if I was like brisk walk, hot day, I'll shower. Before or after? Before I go out. It's just like, why are you taking it on to the next thing? This is not about me. This is about Sam, though. We'll be right back after this short break.

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34:32What got you, I want to know, like, what got you into stand-up? And not like, who got you in or, like, what was the thing? because you kept on you kept on saying i love stand-up i love stand-up i love stand-up and it shows but like what do you think is the thing that like got you into like stand-up stand-up and not being funny and not funny movies and like stand-up specifically um i think like just i played some team sports growing up but our school really sucked at basketball so everyone was on drugs and they were terrible and i was like i was pissed i took it seriously and we just always lost because everyone and i was like this is bullshit so i was like i can't do like improv I can't do a team sport.

35:08So I was like, I'll do a thing where I rely on myself. And stand-up, I was like, that's like, you know, the tennis or golf. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, that's what stand-up is. It's all on. I always respect tennis players because I remember reading Agassi's book, and he just talks about, like, how you're on an island, and it's make or break, it's all you. Yeah. And I kind of like tennis players kind of just have breakdowns. You know, they'll just snap. Like, you'll just see them, like, breaking a racket or losing it. I'm like, oh, that's like, they're kind of the head cases. because they're in isolation.

35:37You know, I don't know. I always, I respected that about them, that they have to kind of just live in their head. And that's kind of the life of a comic, but that can be painful. I was just watching the Billy Joel documentary

35:51and I noticed this about comics too. Like he would disappear to write his new album and it would make him crazy. And he was like, I have to get fucking hammered. I have to just like get so drunk because so many of his songs were coming from just him doing bad behavior, you know? like oh yeah him just yeah he drove home drunk on a motorcycle and his and his wife was like are you a lunatic and that became the song like you may be right i may be crazy but i just might be the lunatic you're looking for that's from driving drunk on a motorcycle and it's like it's amazing that he took that and made that something i don't know i just think like i guess i'm giving a really long answer here but my i think i like that i like that it was all no rush i like that it was all on me so i like that part of it and holy shit my mom at that time was like please just be a writer and i'm like oh my god thank god i didn't pursue just being a writer because it's so much harder to get stuff made yeah she thought that was no no she thought writer producer was the safe route which maybe at that time it was but now stand-up at least i can make my own career for the most part and uh i just liked yeah and i and then i got into stand-up you know you listen to it and i liked albums i liked there's something intimate about the jokes like just being in your head you know as a watching is cool but i always liked i remember hearing like prior carlin chris rock album chris rock albums were very big david tell like those albums where they were just like wow rock would you said something about me before which i take as a high compliment where you know you you say the wrong thing but then kind of get them on your side rock is maybe the best ever at that i mean yeah every every premise was wrong yeah and by the end of it you were like oh no we were wrong to not think that in the first place yeah it was he had so many bits like that where i was just like i mean i love so many of his takes i mean bigger and blacker and uh bring the pain were like fucking crazy those are crazy albums you know so uh i remember listening to a chris rock album as a kid i probably got like half i was probably 11 i probably got half the jokes but my mom just saw she's having me laughing she's like what the hell is he listening to and she grabbed it and she put the headphones on and i just saw this look of horror on her face and 30 seconds later she laughed and i was like that's fucking beautiful that a joke can do that's amazing that she could she loves him i mean she she respects comedy very much so that's that's also influential when you see what makes your because when you're a kid you're you know rebelling at first but then you get to a certain age you're like well what makes my parents laugh this is kind of cool that they're in on it too.

38:22My mom's not going to like everything I do, obviously, but I would see her laugh at stuff and she loved like Mitch Hedberg. She loved dry jokes. She loved sarcasm. Do you think that shaped your comedy? Because I mean, you're on the drier edge of the comedy spectrum, I'd say. Yeah, probably. Because it feels good to make your mom laugh. It's a nice sound. You're like, oh shit, this is the person who gave me life. And she finds... I made my mom reluctantly laugh at a dick joke. That's kind of cool. Those are the, can I tell you something? When you make your mom reluctantly laugh. At what? Not at, I wasn't going to say anything else.

38:59I just said reluctantly laugh. Sorry, because I thought you were actually finishing off what Sam had. You wanted me to say that a dick joke. Okay, shut up. There's no African who is making their mom laugh at a dick joke. None. But, our version, I would say for me, of a dick joke in that is I'll make my mom reluctantly laugh at a religious joke. Right. and she'll she'll laugh and then she'll go that's not funny she does the same thing yeah yeah she but then you're like but i got the reaction yeah so she'll be like no my mom my mom said to me she's like no you you forced me i didn't want to laugh too late then i said but you laughed you found it funny she's like i didn't find it funny you tricked me i don't like that then i'm like i didn't do anything i just told you a joke she's like no no i there's nothing funny about what you said but you laugh and they get mad when they make the act but then they're like i feel like they're kind of also into it a little bit i had a joke about her because she's such such a warrior dude i mean we're talking about this before the pot but i mean she worried about everything i was walking on the street with her once and we saw a dead bird and i was like and she goes ew dead bird don't touch it and i was like don't are you really telling me i'm an adult like you think i'm gonna pick up a dead bird and be like i thought this was like a child story no that's i was an adult and my mom saw i saw a dead bird and i go oh and she goes don't touch it and i was like i was in my 20s i was like are you kidding me like that's her level of worry she worried so much so we were talking about covid before and like oh my god having a mom having a hypochondriac mom during covid it was like i know look i'll never see you again whatever you want like whatever makes you feel safe mom we'll zoom forever you know you know it was mental that is so beautiful So take me through some of your stories I'm immune compromised I'm like but you're not really You're pretty good You're in pretty good shape Where was she living at this time?

40:46They live in Midtown in Manhattan Oh so they're here Yeah yeah yeah And I was still like Can I see you? I'm getting dinner with him after this Yo man in her defense Behind glass doors still Yeah but do you remember Like in her defense Yeah New York was no joke It was no joke Like New York was I was telling him the other day Walking past I don't know if you ever went Through Central Park When they had like the body bags and stuff. I still refuse to believe that. My mind doesn't want to. Let me tell you something. Depending on where you experienced COVID, I see why everyone has a different feeling about COVID.

41:17Because everyone's experience of it was different. For some people, it was completely a theoretical thing. They were at home and then they were told there was a death toll. Watched it on the news. And then there were other people. Like if you were in New York during that time, you didn't go to Florida, you didn't run away anywhere. You just stayed here. The streets were empty. There was only sirens. Yeah. Like all day, it was just sirens. siren siren and then when you could go outside i remember walking around central park and they turned it into like a makeshift it looked it literally looked like an apocalypse movie where they had the white tents and then they had body bags and you're like what is going on here i was like oh this shit is like it's like real real it was you know what's so weird this is something about the city is like just the way you hear a song and it takes you back to a time i haven't been on this exact block since covid and i used to do i did a show on this block uh at some hotel i don't even know if it's still here right but uh i did a show three nights a week because they had an outdoor space with yeah so i was able to do a three i would just do an hour three nights a week to stay in oh during covid like during the outdoor shows because it was it was heat lamps but i was on this block late at night one night with phil hanley we were just like sitting around waiting watching what like it's one of the things where the night's over but you're you're both so happy to be around another human because it was still covered what a time so i remember cabs were going by and some creepy kid just kept riding by us on a bike and he did it like five times and we're like i mean should we move and it was so creepy it was i was like i mean he's a kid we shouldn't be scared of him but like there's a reason you use kids in horror movies it was like scary he just kept circling us and we're like i guess happy to see other humans he was happy to be around us too maybe i don't know but yeah it was it was a dark time that's you see that that's when you knew who like loved comedy.

42:56There were comedians during COVID. They're like, I'm not stopping. Yeah. You were doing it in parking lots. My main thing was roofs, but yeah, I did a lot of parking lots, but roofs were my big thing during COVID. Yeah, I loved it. I got really hooked on it because it was like, I mean, I don't know if, I think I got worse at comedy because it was hard to tell what was hitting because you're like, you're doing the math and you're like, that hit on this roof, but it didn't hit on this roof. Like I'm doing roofs in Bushwick. I'm doing them in the Lower East Side. I'm doing them in Hell's Kitchen.

43:27Only works on the 32nd floor.

43:32Dude, it was a confusing time. And also, you know, some nights it would be packed and some nights, you know, 18 people. But people were desperate. Yeah. They were desperate. I remember reading this book. I forgot the title. It was about these like ancient settlers and it's like how like music just got them through the winters. And I was like, oh shit, people need, this is the same way. Okay, they'd be freezing, but they'd be playing music and they just gather around and it was like oh this is keeping us going and i felt that way about comedy a little bit because i saw people laughing i was like holy shit that guy that joke wasn't even that good but that guy needed to laugh that's why i had a hard time telling what was good i think people like wanted it was the same way yeah it was the same way people came out right after covid like i was about to say yeah they were coming to shows like i'd never seen i was like this is and some of them forgot how to behave some of them they'd be in public they'd be in a movie theater and they'd be like yeah i'm just gonna scream drunk i'm like no you can't do that you know but they were like that's what i do at my place you know people forgot how to be humans during it was so i mean some people still aren't good dude i mean i go i mean you see it around the country you go on you go to downtowns now in every city and you're like people are there's like a real drug problem in this country that they're not addressing you just go around and you're just like this is someone's kid this is crazy you know i think the the worst thing we did around the world.

44:47There were two countries I know that did it in some way, but it's almost like they stumbled onto it. One was intentional, but it wasn't for COVID. I think there was a stampede in Korea. Stand to be corrected, but I think it was in Korea. It was a huge stampede and a bunch of people died. And it was at a party. Originally, it was a whole thing, but they had a day of mourning. And I remember watching that and I was going, wait, what is happening here? And the whole country just had to pause and go, we are going to collectively mourn this loss. And the second version of it I saw, which wasn't intentional, was when the queen died in England.

45:28And she died just on the other side of COVID. You know what I mean? And people were lined up to go to the church. And I remember one story, David Beckham was standing in line. Didn't VIP, didn't skip the line. And waited with people for hours, just in the line with them. And people were crying. And I remember looking at that and thinking to myself, I know some people are crying for a legacy and a time that's lost and a piece of their country. But I was like, yeah, but a lot of people here are crying because they didn't get to cry about COVID. Do you know what I mean? Oh, dude, I cried at Simpsons episodes during COVID.

46:02You see? I was like, I don't think it's the Simpsons that's breaking me right now. I think there's some other. Yeah, but we didn't. We never like, we never. Those are like the moments I think of We bottled up a lot Yeah, I go Everyone just went back to It never was a thing Whether you Forget what you believe or don't believe Forget everything, forget vaccines Forget COVID even as real or not real Just remember a time when we couldn't go outside And a lot of people were dying Okay? People from Florida, you can skip this part of the podcast But You lucky bastard you had a great time you had a great time during COVID remember I do a weekend once in a while in like Florida or Texas and I'd be like I'm grateful to be working right now this is crazy but I'm like you guys know what's happening in New York right now you're like reporting news you're like did you hear what happened I felt like a messenger boy you know the YouTube video when they're like when they're like people commonly skip this yeah people in they they skip this part but like I I don't know, man.

47:06I think that collective thing, you're not wrong. That's why people didn't forget just how to act, but we also forgot how to feel in a certain way. But when's the last time we were all on the same page about anything as a country? Like, we're not on the same page about the Super Bowl. As a human race. Oh, no, as a world. As a world. Trust me, it's gotten everywhere now. I mean, the Super Bowl used to be a thing where we're like, it's the Super Bowl. This is great. And now it's like, now people are like, fuck Taylor Swift. I'm like, who gives a shit? Yeah. Or, you know, or they'll be furious about the, I don't even remember who did the last Super Bowl.

47:34Kendrick? Kendrick. No, it was Kendrick. Wait, was Kendrick the last one? Yeah. No one's, I think Prince is the last time everyone's like, all right, that was a good show. Everyone else, people are like, they either love it or they're like, fuck that. Yeah, it always means something. It's always the end of your side. It's always, I will say it's become worse in America in that way, but it's become pervasive all around the world where everyone has made everything seem like it is a loss or a victory for them you know what i mean yeah what do you mean by that so like i remember a time i was like i remember a time when like it's gonna go into black and white film yeah right let me tell you about a time when i was young boy no no i said this to a friend the other day i said do you remember when people were allowed to just not like something but not say That it was shit Like when I was younger People would say What's your favorite sitcom And someone would go Friends And then you would go Oh no Mine is Family Ties Or Family Matters You know what I mean Family Matters And they'd be like No mine is You know Full House Or mine is But no one I don't remember anyone Going like Friends is shit People just went like Oh I I don't like Friends And I don't watch it And they would move on And then over time gradually and i don't know if it gets more engagement they call it rage bait exactly you get raid it's rage bait if you're just like uh this the soprano sucked do something and you're just like yeah it didn't suck you know but they're just like i think it sucked you're like we could have said that but that's what i mean but i think that's what i mean about like the loss and the win for your side is like if taylor swift performs then the world we now live in tells you that you are losing if you're not a Taylor Swift person.

49:27How dare you not get it? Yeah, it's like, I can't believe they chose Taylor Swift. Or if Kendrick performs, it's like, you've now lost. I can't believe Kendrick is now. But it's like, yo, man, every year someone would just perform at a thing and something would happen and it's not your thing. This movie wins an Oscar, that one doesn't. But it doesn't mean that you've lost. But now I feel like we've made it in society. Tribal. Yeah, but we've made it that people have lost for no reason. also you're allowed to just be like for me personally like i don't have like a strong opinion on taylor swift i think she has some good songs i don't really listen to her that's my niece my niece loves my niece is obsessed with her but it makes my niece happy so i'm like oh good you know that's my opinion basically on her you know so i it's funny no it's funny you say that we were chatting yesterday obviously we knew you coming on and we're chatting about this and i said I feel like Sam And please don't feel like This is like a lot of pressure I was like I feel like you are Like one of the final bastions Of comedy right now Oh fuck Yeah I know I said don't feel the pressure I specifically told you Not to feel the pressure Don't feel the pressure I'll tell you why Because Your comedy specifically In my opinion Still exists in a place where Everyone feels like it's for them Do you know what I mean?

50:43You weren't at my show last night At the Comedy Cellar Jesus Christ I still have rough ones there sometimes dude But rough is part of comedy I love it yeah No no rough is part of comedy I mean like Dave Chappelle taught me You can go to a show and bomb It doesn't matter how great you are That's part of comedy You work in the craft I'm not saying that Yeah What I'm saying is your comedy is forever And what I mean by this is I've seen somebody who considers themselves Republican, conservative, whatever Go I love Sam Morrell Oh thanks I've seen somebody who goes like I'm a full on liberal democrat I love Sam Morrell I've seen someone go I don't care about politics I hate both sides.

51:16I love Samoreau. And I go, oh man, this guy is keeping something that society is losing more and more of. Well, I said earlier, I don't see that. I see myself as like an entertainer. So my goal is to kill the room and be who I am. Like you're not going to compromise yourself and pander. But I think the crowd is too smart. They can tell if you're pandering. So you have to just be you. And if it works, it works. but you know, sometimes it's not for everybody. I see some shows and I'm like, oh, that joke's not for everybody, but I like it, so I'm keeping it. Every once in a while, you get like one or two of those per special, but no, it's hard, man.

51:57It's hard to stay true to who you are and still connect because you get older and you're kind of just like, I don't, I want to do this joke. I think this joke is funny. I think there's something here and I'll get stubborn with it and I'll keep hammering it. like i have some jokes that i think are i don't want to call my crowd pleasers but they're they're for everybody they're a little safer those are the hits you need to have those safer jokes to get to the ones i'm like this one's a little unsafe this is this gonna work i don't i like this a lot but you know it also it depends on the crowd like i have a whole new chunk on going to amsterdam and not getting into the ann frank house they wouldn't let me in and it was a long story and i was like i was so mad when they let me in and then i was like oh wait a second i'm gonna get a bit whenever something bad happens to me in any way even that's not even that bad what happened to Anne Frank was worse let's face it but uh I was upset too but uh I had a rat in my home last month and I live in the 14th floor of a of a nice building so I was shocked to see a rat and I was so upset but then I was like that comedy is the one thing that you're like I'm gonna get a joke out of this that's the one thing that like if I don't get a joke out of this I suck if I I'm telling my mom about it on the phone and she's laughing so hard because I'm making jokes about the rat and stuff and she was like, you'll get a joke out of this.

53:08I said, I'll get a joke. So it's exciting to write new stuff. I hate bombing, but I don't know. I still love doing this still. Every once in a while, I'll do too many shows and I'll be like, oh, I don't want to do a show. I hate when I feel that way. I try to stay very excited about it. So I try to not overdo it so I can stay, oh, I'm so excited to go on tonight. Speaking of excitement, why weren't you lent into the Anne Frank house? Because it's a hot ticket, apparently. I booked the walking tour. Wait, wait, wait. There's a stay-in tour where you can stay inside the closet. They want you to buy.

53:53It's like a house, and then there's a parent. I didn't know there was a walking tour. But yeah, the line I said to the lady was, I was under the impression she was cooped up. I didn't know there was a walking tour. damn but uh and i was like oh this is a bit i got a bit cooking so i kept going with it but uh i kept going and i got a long bit out of it but now i'm going back to amsterdam next month and i'm like i better finish i want another part of this bit i want part two i get in i i posted like a joke how i didn't get in and the jewish mafia came after me like like amy schumer jessica seinfeld they're like what can we do i was like what do you mean what can you do i'm you have a hookup for the and frank house they're like trying to help like what i don't know all these jews were like hitting me up like we must do something i'm like it's not that big a deal i'm just making it i'm gonna go to the van gogh museum it's fine it's not yeah but you see okay so now let's let's pause and this is what i mean about you this is exactly what i mean is like you have a man it's it's superpower might be the wrong word but it's almost like let's let's dial it back yeah okay that's what i'm saying the wrong it might be the wrong word here's what i think it is you are almost less allergic to the things that a lot of people in society are now allergic to you with me so what i think a lot of people i never hear that so so we complain about everything but this is what i mean is this is what i mean is you you go you don't get into the ann frank museum whatever now the people around you are responding like ah how could this happen you get there there's a reaction i get that for a second but then immediately it's like but that's what i mean you have more of a resistance you have to just think like anytime something bad happens you think if I don't make it funny then I'm worthless I really feel that way as a comic like if I can't make a bet as you said like that that trans swimming joke I that's not something that's something that happened to me that's just like an observation but that's something that hasn't been worked through so I have to work through my stuff right that's why like a breakup joke you ever write a breakup joke that's it's too soon where you're like oh that's just audience I guess for both but I'll write the joke and I'm just like well this is funny and then they're just like really sad you're like oh shit i think that's funny but like i remember i had a joke that never worked about my biological father that i thought was really funny it never worked it was about um how when my dad who adopted me he was a i love my dad he's a great dad he was talking to my stepdad i just call him dad but when that when you have that adoption you need to get the signature of your biological biological father so i said it's kind of like the opposite of a ups package He's like, here's my signature and I don't want this.

56:24Never worked. It just made the crowd sad. To me, I was like, that's a funny joke. But it just, I heard the crowd go, aw. I remember telling my therapist and he was like, well, an aw means they care about you. I'm like, I know, but I'm going for a laugh. You want the laugh. If I sign this, it means I don't have to take responsibility. Yes, yes. Sign here. That's what it felt like. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out why that wouldn't connect though. No, because it is funny. I'm just trying to figure out why. It didn't work. Like never worked? Well, look, it's not a science. like sometimes you just like yeah it just never works i think it is a science and i think that's how you treat it yeah uh uh i i know because i if it were science i think i would know before it was on stage no but but that's what science is if you think about it for the most part like science is constantly running an experiment to try and figure out why the thing does or doesn't and then you're trying to narrow down why one element does you know what i mean it's process it's a process of elimination for the most part so you're going this causes this reaction is it because of this or is because of that and you try to you try to move what the correlation is and then you try and figure out if this is causing this or if this is just happening because this is happening at the same time and that's why i think it is a science in many ways it's a social science you know so you're going you might find like you change one thing that's what i love about comedy you change one word in that whole joke all of a sudden it worked you might find changing it from i felt like a ups package versus it was like a ups package you you you never know what happens I feel like I felt personalizes it too much.

57:47To me, that makes it sadder. I felt, I try to remove feelings. I think when I feel in a joke, the joke's not funny. I have to be a little numb to it at this point. That's why breakup jokes, they hit so much harder six months after as opposed to a week after. Because it's too real. They're just like, oh, that's sad. They feel for you. They feel like they almost shouldn't be laughing sometimes too, I think. I think they can sense the rawness of it. No, that's true. Yeah, that's true. but what I'm saying is sometimes that's what that's what I I think is magical about comedy is we sometimes don't even know like we have an assumption right as comedians and then we'll do a thing we've all had that you tell a joke And you're trying to get to this part of a punchline and the audience loves like a random thing that you didn't even, you don't even realize the words that you're saying are eliciting something.

58:39And sometimes you go, why are they laughing? What are they? I'm sure you have experienced that. And then an audience member goes, man, I loved how you said that. And you're like, oh, I wasn't trying to say that actually. Yeah, you stumble backwards into one. That's a gift. When that happens, that'll happen in stories sometimes. Sometimes you ever have like a story where you're like, I know the ending. I know what the ending is. Yes. And now that I know of an ending that works, I can now experiment for like two minutes in between and see what's funny. Because I don't know yet. So yeah, I had a whole thing about the rat.

59:09And I didn't know it was funny until I just kept saying it. But I had one of the exterminators kept describing the rats as smart. And for some reason that kept hitting. And I was like, why is that? I guess it is funny to be like complimenting the rodent, but I just kept using that. I kept being like, oh, the glue trap's going to work. They're like, we don't know, he's smart. And I was just like, oh my God, it was annoying me so much. And for some, like little words, you're just like, I guess calling a rat smart is kind of funny. Especially the exterminator calling the rat smart. Because for me, it evokes this idea of, it's like a, now it's like a trope in a way.

59:42It's like they've got this little rivalry amongst them. They've got like a, I don't know. I just think, you know, Sylvester and Tweety It's a whole like We've got an understanding and respect for each other's traits Exactly He's smart, he tried to kill me I would do it every day Yeah, you know what I mean? It's like, you don't know these rats They smart, man They smart Like, you know what I mean? I gotta respect them Well, the annoying thing is I hated the first exterminator Because he was just putting glue traps everywhere And I was like, what do you get How many rats did you have? Just one But it was I mean, just one doesn't even sound good, by the way You can't really bring a woman home either way You're like, I just have one rat It'll be fine close the door but no it was disgusting I can't did you see the rat or did you see the droppings both I saw him he was a fat dude too oh he was big on a high floor 14th floor yeah look it's New York City so it doesn't matter I asked I was asking the building they were like yeah like every building has them you just gotta be nervous about the walls if there's a hole anywhere they can find but it's so gross they chew through the drywall in America yeah yeah because we use bricks for most of our housing so there's no but here the rat can just chew through the wall.

1:00:48It's so gross. Just like in the cartoons. Oh yeah, I didn't think about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you want to hear the most violating shit the rat did to me? I had one of those camelback backpacks, you know, with the straw that you sip. He nibbled the straw down for the water and I was like, oh, this is so violating. I'm so upset. Because I went to, because I would just drink out of it because I would just like walk around. You did? No, I didn't drink. After I saw it, I just looked. I was like, oh. Oh shit. I felt so violated by it. I hated it. and my friend had just told me a story i have a friend in la and she was telling me um how she had a rat in her home in la and how this is way worse because she was so scared of the rat uh she just woke up and the rat was starved trying to nibble her finger and she freaked out in her bed and she flipped over a dresser the rat ran behind it and she just fell on the floor and panicked and kicked the dresser into the rat and smushed the rat and i was like that's fucking yeah and then she told me she had another rat there were two and i was like what the fuck where you living you know she had a nice place and she uh there was another one and she got it on a glue trap which is hard because they smell the human scent on the so they if they smell human scent they're like oh i'm out of here i'm not touching that but she she just took the other rat on the glue trap and just dropped it in her pool because she didn't want to deal with it it's like a tarantino movie of rats.

1:02:06Yeah. Oh, it's awful. But dude, they got it. The crazy way they got it was I had two exterminators come by and the second one was like, he was even worse. The first one sucked and the second one, it was Liz from the Comedy Cellar got me this first exterminator. I thought you were saying Liz was the exterminator. The second one, it was Liz. I would trust Liz. Wait. But no, he just leaves glue traps anywhere and he wasn't even confident. That's the first one. Yeah, and I was like, are these going to work? He's like, maybe. He's the one who kept I'm calling him smart. So I was so annoyed. And then he's leaving glue traps everywhere.

1:02:39And I'm like, will they work? He's like, probably. He was not confident at all. And then the second guy who came by, I was like, I need a better guy because that guy sucked. And he was just looking at all of his stuff. And he was like, no, the last guy did a really good job. And I was like, I called you because I don't think he did a good job. So I got two guys who sucked. So the guys that eventually got him were five days later. And five nights I had to ride in my apartment. And I was devastated going to bed every night because you know like we're night people so i was just like this is it sucks i know he's gonna come out soon and um i i on a sunday morning i call these guys and they show up with hockey sticks three dudes with hockey sticks and i was like what's with the hockey sticks so like we usually would use people's like you know baseball bats or brooms to kill rats if we were at their place but we just like got our own things so the three dudes with hockey sticks i leave because i play in a comics basketball game on Sundays.

1:03:33And he texts me a picture of a dead rat 10 minutes later. And they found it. And I just, and I wrote, you found him dead. And he wrote, I made him dead. Yeah. Damn. Yeah. They took care of it. It's like the mighty ducks of. Hockey sticks. I was about to say the sopranos of. Just imagine how random it is. You open your door and there's three guys with hockey sticks. Dude, my doorman hated them. They were like, they were like, these guys are assholes. I was like, how are they assholes? I'm like, I guess they were like cursing when they came in. But I was like, I fucking love these guys. they were cursing and they had guys in jumpsuits and they all had and they had weapons which I was like he was like why wait who were they cursing I guess at the doorman they were characters they were colorful I mean look you need rough around the edges the basic exterminators weren't getting the job done these guys found the rat in 10 fucking minutes it was incredible I was so grateful I slept like a baby that night dude so there hasn't been that rat ever since no this was like a month ago I hope there's not I mean geez yeah no that was awful it was an awful experience it's just you know because you just don't it's your home you want to walk around barefoot and feel good you know it's weird how rats they are smart by the way just generally do you recognize this guy no no no but they are smart sometimes sometimes i wish we could like just negotiate with like what we consider pests yeah because like rats are really smart apparently they make great pets they're really easy to train but god It's weird when people have a rat as a pet.

1:04:59No, it's weird because we think of rats as weird. Yeah. I agree with you. Well, they're filthy. Those are like different types of rats. No, but they're not filthy apparently. Well, that rat was really dirty. Yeah, no, no, no. But here's the thing. Like humans can also be filthy if you just leave them in the streets. Hmm. You sound like a rat sympathizer, dude. I don't know. Same guy who showers before going to the gym. I don't know, guys. Listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is the culture, whatever you grew up with, you think that's weird or normal, right? Yeah. So if we grew up with rats, we would think that dogs are weird.

1:05:29We would. I think we're in too deep with this rat hate, dude. I see him on this. I can appreciate like celebrity rats, pizza rat. He was great. Ratatouille was great. Celebrity rats, pizza rats. I saw a rat in the street last night and I was charmed by it. I thought it was funny. He ran, he was like grabbing his food. I was like, good, you should be in the street. Okay. If you're in the street, I got no problem with you. But in my home, no. Not in my backyard. No. Samarill the nimby. The rat nimby.

1:06:00I don't want a rat in my home. I got no problem with rats in the street. But you don't bring that rat around my house. Not around my daughter. Okay? You can marry who you want to marry. This is a leaf. You want to marry who you want to marry. Trevor was the goblers of rats. He was like, I decide who's around here. Oh, man. That was the book Mouse, weren't they? They were... Oh, yes. That is actually what it was. Yeah, you're not wrong. You just brought it around. Because that actually - Art Spiegelman. That actually was the book. Yeah. They were mice. Look at that, man. You see, you think, this is what comedians do.

1:06:31We stumble on some deep shit, man. You know, by the way, they banned that. It was some Florida school banned that for nudity. Wow, that's one reason to ban it. That's why you ban a book about the Holocaust is a nude mouse. Hmm. Whoever was doing the book banning, like they went. Because when you saw some of the books that were banned, It almost felt like an AI That didn't know What the banning Because they just went like No nudity in kids books Right And then this is going back To what you were saying About people You remember what I was saying Like everyone wins and losses I remember someone was like We shouldn't ban the books And then I asked Which books are being banned And someone The person responded They were like It doesn't matter I was like Well it might matter Which books are being banned And then they were like Your book was banned I was like Alright I think that's weird I was like I think it's weird I don't know why They banned my book No, that's, I was like, I don't know.

1:07:24But I said, which other books have been banned? And then there was like a book that, it was like a children's book, but it had like dicks out and like boobs. And it was like a weird book. I forget what the premise of the book was. I'm glad you forgot. They banned Hustler in children's schools. This is crazy. And I remember saying, and I remember saying, I remember saying, I was like, oh, that's a weird book. Yeah. That's a weird book. You know, kids shouldn't read. And then a bunch of the other books were not weird. And so I was saying the thing that I didn't like was that no one was able to have like a normal logical conversation about, it was either your, no books should be banned or all books should be banned.

1:08:08And I was going, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Maybe we could just do this on a case by case basis. Maybe we - But it made these books punk rock. Like all those books were selling out on Amazon. You go to Barnes and Noble, they have a banned book section. and you're like, they're not really banned. If I'm going to them, I'm like, where are the banned books? They're like, right in the front, right here. Yeah. It wasn't that bad. It just became like a, you know. So yours was one of those. Yeah, it was. That's crazy. I bet it helped sales though. I bet they're like, you know. I don't know if it did or it didn't, but it's just like, I just remember being like, why is my, it was a weird emotional feeling because on the one hand, I was angry that my book got banned.

1:08:43On the other hand, I was like, yeah. But then I didn't know what to be yeah about. You shouldn't have put that whole full penetration chapter in the middle, dude. That's what did it. And the pictures. Yeah. Yeah, the sketches didn't help. The coloring. Me and my naked rats. It didn't help at all. Don't press anything. We've got more What Now after this. Earn up to$750 with a new Flex Business Checking or Flex Business Checking Plus account with qualifying transactions using code FX750. Get your business account started by visiting AtlanticUnionBank.com slash up to 750 for offer details. If you like YouTube, you'll love YouTube Premium.

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1:10:25I wanted to talk to you about, you know, when you're talking about like being adopted and what do you mean being adopted? Well, I wasn't adopted. That was just the term was legally adopted because when my mom raised me for the first few years and then she married me, who is my dad. so uh and then i got a stepbrother and stepsister i just call my brother and sister they are yeah i love that you guys have to say this like who's you guys white people oh um because no because like in no we're grandfathered in it's okay no because in if you think about how we grew up it can be like super you could just grow up in the same house and you don't have to say i call them my brother no this is my brother and sister i just say that because people look at my but when I'm like, this is my brother.

1:11:09They're just like, you guys don't look alike. I'm like, just fucking go with it. Oh, yeah. No, no. You moved to Africa. No one will even. No one kissed. You don't. There's no. You just go, this is my brother. This is my sister. No one is even allowed to say, but you don't look. Just keep it moving. So wait. So. So he legally. My dad's a lawyer. So he was like, I want to take you to court. I want to make it official. He made it official. So it was like legal. I call it legal adoption, which is just. Yeah, it wasn't Oliver Twist. You know, it's just. Oh, no. I didn't know if it was like a... No, I had a good childhood.

1:11:39It wasn't, you know. Like the rat you got murdered. No, I was just wondering if it was like, you know, I was like, oh, damn, got adopted and it was a whole thing and they had to fight for you legally and, you know. Wait, so for the first few years, it was just you and your mom? Yeah. Then he gets married to your dad? Yeah. Then it's you, your mom, and your dad for a while. And a brother and sister. So they came immediately after? Yeah. Your brother and your sister? They got married when I was probably six or seven. Yeah. how many good years did you have before how many good years the steps came in oh well yeah that is the one thing that's weird right you're used to having your mom all to yourself and then and then she gets married you're like hey you used to watch all my fucking antics a second ago now i gotta i gotta share you with this dad what the hell um yeah i remember one time when i was really young i wanted my mom's attention so much all the time i was probably like six i just ran into the room and they clearly were trying to have sex and i was just like doing some thing.

1:12:35And I just remember my dad's face just like, oh, God, Jesus. Like, this kid's such a cock block. What the hell? How'd you do it? I didn't know at the time. I just knew he was annoyed. I didn't know why he was annoyed. I was too young to know what sex was. I didn't know what it was. Oh, man. Yeah, I was a kid. The idea of you just... Oh, dude, I was a real show kid. I did, at their wedding, I sang Give My Regards to Broadway. No way. I had a top hat on. No, sir. I told you. You told me what. Sam at some point has to wear a hat and do a film noir. You did say that about him. Yeah, but I didn't picture you.

1:13:11I know this sounds crazy, but I pictured you as like also like a dry witty kid. I was, but I love, but I was a New Yorker. So I love, I was very dry. But then for some reason I was like, they were like, do you want to give a speech at the wedding? I was like, no, I'll perform is what I thought. For some reason, what did you perform? Give my regards to Broadway, the song. so I was in a top hat and a cane and I sang that who bought the top hat? it was like a paper top hat it was like a fake top hat you made it? no it was like from a party store it wasn't like a fancy top hat it was like a stupid oh man this is amazing how old are you when this is happening?

1:13:46probably six or seven legend they killed please tell me you have video I gotta ask my mom if we have video of this someone had to you gotta put that in like a special at the end of one of your specials or at the beginning you know what that's not bad think about it that's like an amazing thing to just put in the end or the beginning of one of your specials. And here's another thing about their wedding. They got married the day of the Puerto Rican parade so they couldn't get any good pictures. Every picture was just like, there was like pushed to the side. It was just mayhem in the city. But, uh, it was, uh, no, it was, it was definitely like, you know, no, I definitely wasn't that type of kid.

1:14:22It was weird that I did that but I just loved. Oh, so that was out of character. It was a little out of character. I just liked, I had a weird thing where like, i kind of like musicals because i was a kid and i was never like a song and dance kid but i just thought i was like oh that's like a cool new york thing that's a cool new york song i'm giving like a cool this is like a cool moment for my parents clearly they were like this is ridiculous but just let them have the floor yeah i think i just wanted i think it was important to be the center of attention you have that weird comic thing where you're like i need to like i need to show awful i need to because my family was very uh quiet at the table like my mom and i weren't but my brother, sister, and dad.

1:14:59My dad was a little more talky, but my brother and sister were very quiet. So I was kind of just like, you know, you're just like, you're working stuff out constantly. You're like, I'm used to noise at dinner. So I'm making noise, I'm making jokes. And I think, you know, I would say like, let's see the furthest, you want to see the furthest you can possibly go. Right, yeah, yeah. Did they break? Yeah, sometimes. I would do really stupid stuff. I was definitely in my mind, the lowest brow member of the family. like you know my brother and sister were super smart and overachievers and i was horribly behaved in school so i think i i was like i was how can i get attention i'm not gonna be smarter than them so i just would be outrageous and i would just say the the fucked up thing always and that would break them and then um you know but you also have that thing you don't realize you're like well maybe i have a low self-esteem because i'm you know the i'm starting to feel like the black sheep of the family oh yeah so so i'm so you know you start acting out in school and the teacher like why is you doing this and you're like why just i'm trying to get attention so i'm trying to find my lane i don't know what my lane is so um so you go from being like the bad kid in school to eventually like how can i turn this and then eventually started just getting good grades because they medicated me and um that really helped oh they medicated the shit while you had the top hat on they saw that hat they're like that kid's gotta be on drugs yeah they uh no they gave me some add stuff i started i was all over the place so they i finally started focusing then getting good grades and then i was like okay let me um let me try to get the teachers laughing too and that kind of went to like so now my mom got so sad she because she thought i was like i saw myself as this fuck up and i was in that in that point i was i was you know i just I was like, I'll be the fun guy.

1:16:43I'll just get drunk all the time. You want to be that uncle in the family? Oh, I am. They have kids and I don't. I mean, I'm totally that. I mean, I'm not opposed to having kids, but that's where I'm at right now. I am like the fun drunk uncle. That's totally what I am. I was about to say, I spoke to someone who was in a similar situation as you. And they realized when they had half siblings and they had a stepdad, they saw their mom mothering and they saw their stepdad as a dad. and then they felt oh observer of the whole family dynamic and they saw themselves as a little bit of an outsider at times oh that's interesting like it's almost like you guys are all together it's almost like they watched the family yes oh that's interesting and they were here first I didn't feel that way you were in it though yeah I feel like they made an effort if anything I felt like it got weird for my sister for a minute because my dad would be like let's go out we'll do guy stuff and I'd be like why does she get to come she's not a guy you know I was more like I was like I'm gonna make her the outsider you know but no I didn't feel weird They were inclusive with me.

1:17:43You were just like a full on. So keeping with that theme though, do you revel in being the outsider? Because I mean, I feel like different comedians have different vibes in terms of what it seems like they're trying to do. So some comedians seem like they're trying to stay as the outsider in the act. Other comedians are trying to become the insider in the act. It's like, this is all of us. Some comedians are trying to like make the audience feel like they're the outsiders and they're the normal. Everyone has. I never saw myself as an outsider. I always saw myself, like I said, entertainer before, like trying to bring the room together, like finding common ground.

1:18:22Like I always liked comics like that. And I think it probably stemmed from something in my family where I was like, we're a family now. Let's get on the same page. Let's do this thing. Let's get a good. If I could get everyone laughing, it felt so good, you know? So how do you find the balance between? so for instance one of my favorite things i i love of yours is your interviews oh yeah if you if we'll actually play one for this episode samuril on a local news station fun somewhere is the greatest thing because yeah but no my publicist texts me you give me nightmares i have nightmares when i book you on these because i know i'm gonna get an angry email she she gets so mad at me and she i'm like well then don't work with me you don't have to work with me she's like no it's fun she admits it's fun but then she's like she'll get emails from people where she'll be like uh she'll try to book i'm like i bet they don't even remember that you represent me when you pitch your other clients to these shows and she's like maybe and then she told me there was some interview i did where i just made up there was a human trafficking problem in columbus ohio and i wouldn't and i wouldn't let it go for the whole interview and and the guy just got so mad by the end and then she uh she messaged him a month later for another one of her clients and they were like we'll have your person on but just you know we had this guy last month he wouldn't shut up about human trafficking and she had to pretend like oh that's horrible oh i said i told you no one knows no one remembers you but she'll get really pissed at me but then she but then she like it's like the reluctant like your mom that's not funny but she laughs it's not funny but i found it funny she gets so uncomfortable though she's come to a couple and she's just like oh she's like yeah she's she's so i i don't really get uncomfortable because I know it's going to be funny.

1:20:03So I'm like, yeah, just fake that it's fine, you know? What do you make of the schism that we've seen in comedy? Maybe it hasn't even been inside comedy versus how people have seen comedy. I feel like over the past, maybe it's been 10 years, five years, I don't know, I'm bad with time. People have sort of tried to make it, they go like, there's this comedy and there's that comedy and they try and put comedians in a place. In a box. Yeah, and I remember, like for me, because I was on the daily show, people automatically just assumed they knew everything about me. Do you know what I mean? They were like, okay, we know who you are.

1:20:36We think we know your politics, your beliefs, your everything because you're on the daily show. It's like presupposed. And if I would tell a joke that didn't line up with what people thought I was thinking, then the people who were like, let's say on my side, they would go, that was a mistake. and then the people who were not on my side would go i guess every now and again he can be funny but the rest of the time he's shit you know i'm saying and the craziest moment for me was um i did the white house correspondence dinner and it's one of the few places left where everyone is in the same room do you know i mean they got rid of it too right yeah i mean now it'll come back i think but it's one of the few places where it's like fox news is sitting right there next to MSNBC and CNN is sitting right there next to and by the way this is something I keep telling people and I wish more Americans knew about their news about their politics about all of these forums they're a lot more friendly with each other than you are with each other do you know what I mean oh they know it's a game yeah but like I wish people knew this I remember one of the first times I experienced this I just joined the daily show as a tangent but still I was um we were on the road in new hampshire it was for the for the primaries yeah and i remember hillary clinton's staff going out for dinner and hanging out with um uh man lindsey graham's staff and i remember being like whoa don't you guys and they were like no no they get along and people they go to dinner we got the night off lindsey's in a hotel room with a guy so good uh and they were just like they went we we get along what do you mean they were like we get along and so any but anyway our point is i mean trump was friends with with the clintons you know and and the lock them up thing i i really believe was theatrics i don't think he gave a shit i think he was just trying to win it was wrestling yeah it was wrestling yeah that's what it was so anyway i'm in that room everyone's there together so now you get to make jokes that everyone can laugh at because if I make a joke that goes, that hits Biden, then Republicans will laugh.

1:22:46If I make a joke that hits Trump or Fox, then you know what I mean? So I'm telling these jokes. But the Democrats get mad at you when you make too many Biden jokes. Oh, completely, completely. Yeah? So I did the jokes. Yeah. Show went really well. The Room, to its credits, had a great time. Yeah. That week on Facebook, on Fox News, MSNBC, wherever it was, people only had the portion of the set yeah that echo chamber that told the jokes that they you know what i mean so literally it was like there was right wing or conservative or you know republican each group on this side going oh man this was actually quite funny and the other side was like oh man this is actually quite funny but no one was watching the mix thing and i like when i watch your comedy i go i think specifically about like some of the jokes you've done where you always feel like a reluctant hero for me because people try to make you a hero right a good name for a special yeah that is a great name for your special to be honest because you'll tell a joke and then i'll see people go sam morel that's what i like man he's here and he's he's telling jokes that are great for women and finally he's standing up to the manosphere and sam's like i was just telling a joke about my perspective on dating oh i told this to everyone i did i I remember I was at the Kelly Clarkson show and one of the producers was talking to me, trans person, and she was like, oh my God, I love your joke about trans swimmers.

1:24:15It's one of my favorite. It's not that joke, it's a different joke. It's a joke from a Netflix special that went viral. I just saw so many anti-trans jokes and I was like, my mind is trained to go the other way. I have no bad feelings towards any group in this country. My process is what's funny in my head. and it's to think differently a lot of the time with a joke and i thought it was a funny take defending trans swimmers like the angle was basically like who gives you don't give people getting mad i'm like you don't watch women swimming that was basically the bulk of the angle but um i told the person i said just so you know i have a joke in my new special making fun of one trans person not all but one trans person who really hated me and she goes oh great like i was like i just don't want you to think that i'm like some like savior i'm literally just making jokes That was literally, I just didn't want to, I don't want to get praise where you think I'm something I'm not.

1:25:06So as I said, I have no problem with anybody. I'm good with anybody until a person is an asshole on their own basis, just one person. But yeah, like I'll have a joke defending women and then I'll have a joke making fun of women because that's what jokes are. I think they are no one thing. Whatever pops into my head at that time, if something is sound shitty and not like me, I'm not going to tell it. but you know yeah i had i had like eight minutes of me too jokes that were pretty pro women in a special because to me that's where my mind was at the time i thought i heard a lot of guys doing jokes like you can't do anything with women anymore and i'm like really you're really having a hard time like you just don't rape that's really the main thing you know that's what they're pissed about like it's not that big a deal so that was when my mind was with the me too stuff and I had a story about getting roofied in college.

1:25:59It was like a whole thing about, you know, to me it was a hilarious time to be a man because of how low the bar was for men, you know? So that was what my head was with the Me Too stuff. And then, you know, it's like you go in phases. I have a joke now that like I have to like cut because I think women feel it's hitting them too hard. And I'm like, damn, I liked it. I just thought it was a funny joke. Yeah. But sometimes you have jokes where you're like, I like this. I have a joke about the WNBA that's like pretty pro WNBA, but women get pissed at that one. I'm like, shit, I guess I have to cut this one too.

1:26:33So how do you, how do you decide? I would love to know how you, how you decide that because you, like I said, you, you, you're an honest comic and you're doing your thing, but I'd love to know like how you, how you choose this, especially in a world where everyone's trying to choose it for you. It's the batting average has to be high enough that I'm not keeping it just to be stubborn, you know? Okay. So, so look, if, if I like it and it's funny that's part of it but it's got to work if it doesn't work then something's wrong with it as you just said with that as you pointed out with the train thing i think you're right the swimming the one i said earlier in the thing i think you're right but you know i'll have a joke that i think is really funny and sometimes it'll kill and then you're like i always said if a joke is getting groans in portland oregon you still got like 10 years to tell it in likest louis you know it's still got some you still got some legs to go in other parts of the country but you're like it's catching up so if you want it to live forever you might you might want to drop it I think uh I think yeah I think you just go with your gut ultimately you run I have friends who I really trust who you know I tour with Gary Veder and Gary's such a great joke writer and I'll run jokes by and be like is this too harsh because I I don't want to ever I didn't feel those jokes about women were pandering to women I felt they were honest how I felt and I felt like I can playfully call out men and women because it's I'm gonna have more jokes about women because I'm straight and it's, I date women.

1:27:52So my frustration is going to be more with women. I date than just with my guy friends who I don't really fight with that much. But, um, yeah, I mean, some of your relationship jokes are going to have bite and they're going to be like, I always think of them like music. Like it depends on the musician, like Bob Dylan's Colin Quinn has this great joke about how Bob Dylan, all his breakup songs are like, fuck you like you know uh how does it feel to be on your own like they're so angry but you know i'll listen to leonard cone a lot and his music his breakup songs are pretty nice they're pretty much like i fucked up that's the tone of it you know so it's like it's it's over now it's like this is the journey this is the it's a different type of piece so it's really like where's your mind and where's your heart at are you still broken or are you kind of healed and now it's kind of funny to you i mean i have a joke i like that actually i i have jokes about exes that i wouldn't i'm like oh i'm not really i was angry in that moment and it hit but i was angry and i i'm not angry anymore i'm kind of just like oh i'm at peace with it now and you know an absence will make the heart grow fonder so you you don't think of that when you're in it you're like oh my god all we do is fight and then after a while you're like ah she was cool well we both have problems it was a bad it was a bad match really so um sometimes you're in those relationships where you're just so frustrated because it's just not when you like the other person and when it's good it's great but you just can't get along and and you get mad at the other person but you're like no we just weren't right they're not a bad person we just weren't right for each other yeah and but in the moment you can't articulate that and it just comes out like fuck you you know but after six months you're just like yeah i hope i hope she's with someone who's better you know so that sets the tone sometimes you need to give yourself time you know sometimes you need to give yourself time do you ever think you wish that your ex is with someone better yeah i do for real for for real yeah yeah i don't you hope she suffers forever i wish she's just chilling you hope she's in a wheelchair somewhere and then all of a sudden there's two there's three guys and jumpsuits and three hockey sticks at the door.

1:30:01The door man is upset. I'm like, how does it feel? Oh, man. Be on your own. No direction home. Like a rolling stone. This is a man at peace, man. That's what this is. I feel, yeah. A man at peace. Let's ask the rat that. No, this is a man at peace. I think, you know, I struggle with knowing what the tone for, like, I'll have jokes hit all the way through. Yeah. Like, I was in Oklahoma over the weekend, and I had good, pretty good shows, I think. But then I came in, I did an hour at the cellar, one of those like pop-up hours, fat black pussycat. And I was like, man, some of these are getting groans.

1:30:37I don't know why they're getting groans. And - Wait, some of the stuff from Oklahoma? Yeah, some of the stuff that killed in Oklahoma, I'm like, wow, this really killed. And now I'm like, well, this, what's got it. To me, I like, part of the reason I tour is because I want to make it bulletproof. I want it to be really, really strong. But yeah, you do have to make judgment calls at the end of the day and say, is this strong enough? I think that's probably one of the hardest parts and one of the most rewarding aspects of comedy is there comes a point when you have to decide how many is enough and whether or not you're even trying to go for the majority.

1:31:11Do you get what I'm saying? Because I think comedy a lot of the time is like democracy in that the majority is not always right. And that it's broken? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's also like the majority is not always right. Yeah, for sure. you know like but that's a dangerous way to think no but I think it's the way we should think it is dangerous but I think it's the way we should think because you go damn if just because the most people are laughing at this joke doesn't necessarily mean that I have to believe that it's the best version of the joke you know what I mean and that's what I think is great about it is that it's dangerous and that it's precarious and that it's wrong and I always think comedy is like yeah it's like playing with nitroglycerin it's yeah Man, one wrong move and boom, boom.

1:31:57Saying the wrong thing is thrilling. I get excited. I get excited when something goes hard. Because also, we're so blessed to get to perform for people that know us at the point. People ask about offended. I'm like, my crowd doesn't really ever get offended because they know who I am. And they know that the motives aren't bad. They know that all I'm trying to do is make them laugh. So if I missed them trying something new, I tried something over the weekend that fucking bombed. It was a Harvey Weinstein joke. I had to joke about it. It's a bad joke. It was about how he, how he hit on my friend and then was like a gentleman.

1:32:31He was like, oh, I'm so sorry. And I was like, you never hear that story. And I was like, yeah, because he did the other shit. Like that was the angle of the bit, but it just didn't really hit. And, and I was like, all right. And they, they're just like, cool, go, go to the next one. They, they want it. They want me to throw shit at the wall. Yeah. They want me to like, they, and I, I find that comedy crowds are so sophisticated now that they like, they know the process. They know that we're all trying new stuff. And they actually, every once in a while, they'll be mad. I ran to a guy at a bar recently who goes, I saw you in Dania beach.

1:33:01You were just reading out of a notepad. And I was like, well, I built it as a workout show. He goes, well, I didn't read that. And I go, I don't know what to tell you. And he goes, the tickets were$40. I'm like, it's over. What do you want from me? This is what I have to do to write an hour. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You had a bad night at my show. And my, is wrong with the guy i don't know let's go to another bar he was so mad i was like i never that's never happened i feel for that guy though yeah just just take a moment to consider it from his perspective right you go out on a night let's say you bought tickets to like a taylor swift show yes you go there and then taylor swift is like strumming on a guitar but like getting every tuning it every note yeah tuning and you're like what am i doing here and they go like oh yeah that wasn't like a real show that's like a you know what i mean i get it from his perspective like fuck john mayor and she's like whoa too much too much i'm working it out i'm working the bit out yeah i'm working the bill angry yeah sam is an mma fighter who met a gym dummy that can talk i was like so you're not punching for real oh that's exactly what i've been you are not yeah yeah no i saw she did saturday so that's what you do i i know i and you feel bad too but i also like i thought the crowd was in a guy i remember that gig i was like oh no they were into it i thought Yeah, but I actually think what that man said to you is the perfect encapsulation of what I think has gone sort of wrong with society today.

1:34:24And I don't blame society for this. I think the system has put us in a situation where, you know, people love to talk about like cancel culture or one of the big things people still ask me. I've seen them ask you. They go like, can comedians even tell jokes anymore? Oh, aren't you so bored with that? Every time they ask me, I'm like, man, come on. They're like, are people, people are so sensitive. No, I'm actually quitting. You didn't hear? We're retired. People are so sensitive these days. nobody laughs nobody and i'm like no one they're trying to bond with you over that exactly now let's bond over something else because i don't care i that's what it is it's pretty much never a problem the only thing that worries me comedically is these tech companies that only care about ad sales muting certain words that's what worries that's when i when i see things like you know instagram and they just bury like if you say the word nazi and you're like oh but they don't know the context but they know the context but some ai thing is being like bury this post because said the word Nazi.

1:35:15Back to the book banning. But you're like, okay, but that, so I can't make a joke condemning Nazis? And I'm like, well, this is like Nazi shit. Yeah. You're not allowed to even say it. So then, gay. Like, I think people like, they'll post jokes where they're like, instead of kill yourself, they'll be like, I unalived myself. And I'm like, so now you're changing speech. And this, it worries me that comics will start writing for the algorithm and stuff. And I also just think like, you know, they keep moving the goalposts and that's what, it doesn't worry me about like oh you can't say this my worry is about like them burying like you you build this following a certain way that's why i use this thing called punch up a lot now that's where i post a lot of my videos because youtube and and uh and it's also nice to have like a free speech thing that isn't like some crazed right wing thing like yeah i don't want to fucking be on rumble you know i don't want to i don't come follow me on rumble no just punch up is cool because it's just like you know instagram or youtube a lot of them just bury jokes now that are just like oh this isn't aligned with our values because we're not sure what it even means basically what's like it's like harder than fallon like you used to put a set together for a late night set for like fallon or one of these late night shows and they're like you can't say this you can't i remember nick griffin who's one of the best late night set comics ever like his letterman sets i think are like go watch nick griffin on letterman you want to see like a master class on just joke writing but they made him change a joke of his that I loved where he goes, you know, young women are filled with sugar and spice and everything nice.

1:36:41And I'm filled with anger and semen and shame. And I thought that was such like a poetic line. And they made him change it to anger and Prozac and shame. And I was like, semen, first off, it's a clinical term. And secondly, the alliteration made it funnier and flow. I hate when they change, but he's like the king of late night where it's like, you got to open with self-deprecating stuff. and he just knew how to suck you in. It was great stuff. When I was on Letterman, I did a joke and it was, I had a set and there was one part of the joke that had the word maybe, oh, Hitler. Hitler was in the joke, in one part of the joke.

1:37:20And then there was another part of the joke where I talked about homeless people, like, you know, and it wasn't slamming homeless people at all. It was just talking about bumping into a homeless person. And they came to me afterwards and I was like, man, I know the Hitler joke, maybe, you know what I mean? and they came and they were like, hey, listen, we love the set. We just need to change something. And I was like, yeah, I know. And they're like, yeah, man, we don't want you to say homeless. I knew that was coming. And I was like, wait, but the person was homeless. I was like, this is not, the joke doesn't go against the whole at all.

1:37:50They're like, yeah, would you rather, can you rather say like crazy person or, and I was like, well, I was like. It's meaner. Yeah, I was like, I don't think the person was crazy. Yeah. I think they just. They were just homeless. They're just homeless. Although I would rather be crazy than homeless. Well. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait. I would choose homeless any day because I can always change my mind. How do you know it's your mind though? You might, you think you're homeless by a choice? Yeah, but you can be temporarily homeless. Yeah. That's true. But temporarily, yeah, that's the big difference.

1:38:20Yeah, but you are, you're temporarily homeless until you get a home. But they were weird. You're not the first comic I've heard of like no homeless jokes on Letterman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a weird. The word homeless though. They were doing a similar thing. They were just going the word homeless. Yeah. And you're like, no, I'm not making a joke about a person being homeless. Do they have homeless sponsors? Why are you so mad? I don't get it. They had such weird rules on late night always. But I think this is what we experienced. Maybe in the world of, let's say, late night TV back in the day, and now it's becoming more ubiquitous when you look at major tech companies.

1:38:55I think it's because we live in a world where corporations are less concerned about the actual issue and more about the appearance of caring about the actual issue right do you know what I'm saying so they don't care about a homeless person they conduct studies they just don't Facebook all these like studies young women are suicidal because they can't achieve these body types yeah Instagram is one of the worst things and they're like are you going to change anything no but we conducted the studies yeah that's it yeah but the appearance of it it's like football they're like this is really bad for your brain are you going to change anything nah it's fucking it's entertaining no we know guns are a problem are we gonna change anything no no we just wanna know there's a problem yes that's all it is and so that's why I'm saying what I think that guy reveals it's like when a woman tells you her problem and you're just like you're just like well how can I fix it she's like I just wanted you to listen to the problem that's basically what we're doing with everything in the country that's all we're doing we're just listening to it yeah we're just listening I now know why you have a problem what I'm saying that guy revealed funny enough the one who complained about the notepad he actually revealed what the real problem is.

1:39:56Context. So when he's saying to you, I didn't read that. I didn't see that. He came to your show not knowing that you're working material out. Yeah. So to him, the promise that was sold to him was incorrect. He didn't have the context. And I actually think that's what's happened to comedy in the world is that anyone who's in a comedy club, for the most part, they know that they're in a comedy club. They know Sam Murill. They know Eugene Koza. They know Trevor. They know that like, okay, you do a thing. But then what the internet does is it strips the context away. and then they'll just throw you up there and being like the Jewish mafia and it'll be like, look at this guy and what he said about, you know, and they just take a clip and no one tells you who Sam Murillo is.

1:40:35They don't tell you about his family. It was your White House speech. I mean, it's become tribal. So it's like, we're living in an echo chamber. This is what will make me happy. And the algorithm knows you. I mean, it's sad when you realize, when you look at your explore page and you're like, oh my God, this knows me so well. Oh, it's crazy. And it realized how, oh my God, it's the most mundane shit I've ever seen. like my whole algorithm is dudes eating sandwiches in their car and then do you ever see these? because I guess I like watching people eat it's like a food network type vibe I like how you're saying this like you're not sure about this of yourself you're like I guess I like watching people eat well I don't think I actually enjoy it but I keep watching are they in the drive-thru are they do they have a tray it was the first one you watched a lot of people who were just like we're gonna see if this if this sandwich is overrated or underrated it's a lot of that shit and you're just like alright and then you just watch them eat it or they'll be like these are the top restaurants in this area and i'm like i don't like i like food i don't think of myself as like a insane foodie but i guess a lot of my algorithm is like or old basketball story so it'll be like that and or it'll be like kevin garnett like oh man i remember the time we busted lebron's ass i'm like oh this is my whole algorithm you know i sometimes think that we should switch algorithms like i wish there was a system where you could say for a day i just want to be in somebody else's algorithm like being john malkovich yeah yeah i just want to i just because i think to your point we're living in a world now where everything that's that is one thing i do miss even though it was less convenient one of the things i do miss about like linear television was that you had to sit through so much shit that wasn't for you yes to get to the stuff that was for you so and you'd also find stuff that you didn't know you like that's exactly what i mean so now i'm sitting through like murder she wrote with my mom because i'm trying to get to the comedy you know i if you asked me as a child do you like frazier without me knowing and i was like what is frazier and you're like well it's it's new york story and it's this guy in seattle sorry and he's a therapist and this guy works at a radio station and the dad i'd be like and his brother's just basically him times 10 yeah and i just go like i don't i don't think this is for me i would be like listen man i'm eight years old i don't think any of this is for me but when i think of nile and that whole family just because i had to sit through it it became do you know what i mean it became like my thing it's incredible that he was just like out of his mind whacked out on drugs the first few seasons and he's no way and he's just bringing it still like oh wait i thought you meant the character no no no kelsey grammar was just on drugs oh man seasons like and they had they gave him interventions and stuff oh he was killing it though oh he's unreal i mean he's like one of the best sitcom actors ever oh yeah easily but uh but yeah they they became it again oh he was killing it good for him he's a phenom obviously but then what did he stop did he yeah I got sober.

1:43:17Oh, good for him. The cast was like really loyal to him. Yeah, it's crazy. And then the show got canceled. No, it made it like 13 years. It's crazy. What was it, 13? You know those stories where it ends like that. And then the cast came together like, Kelsey, you can't do this anymore. And then he stopped. And then it wasn't funny and they got canceled. They're like, all right, Kelsey, I'm going to need to take some of this shit right here. We brought a bag. That would be great though if he got sober and he just were like, yeah. Wow, you got to get back on this. Yeah, man. You just got to, yeah, no, this is not working for us.

1:43:44Do you see yourself getting into film, TV? I've written a bunch of stuff. Yeah. I wrote - For yourself to be in? Yeah. I'm making a movie with Gary Veeder. It's like a mockumentary. I'm filming it now. It's like Spinal Tap, but about my tour. It's pretty fun. We got a lot of funny cameos in it. I'm really pleased with it. And then I wrote a movie with Mark Norman, hopefully going to film next year. You guys are funny, man. I love Mark. You guys are like funny, funny. I love that dude. And then we have, I wrote, dude, it's very hard to make shows. I wrote a show that I got Brian Cox, the actor, attached to to play my dad.

1:44:22And we're basically, we're still having a hard time selling it. But I wrote it with Mike Lawrence, who's an incredible writer, just like a phenomenal writer. And we'll see if we can sell it. But it's, I mean, just getting Brian Cox to be like, yeah, I love this script. I'm in. It's crazy to see him on pitch calls, too, because his presence is like unmatched. it's the brian cox he's so much brian cox brian cox yeah succession brian cox yeah you think his first project after succession we get would be a slam dunk but they're i guess they're looking at my face they're like i don't know uh but i think the script is amazing i think that's how we got him so uh i hope i hope we figure that out that's i mean that would be amazing but i was so angry during pitches how long because you know these companies like these people don't work like you're like setting a meeting with a company and they're like cool can you meet uh next month and you're like yeah i guess next month sure and then they're like oh shit they're out on vacation this week and i'm like all right next week like next week we're actually closed and then they're like okay well how about uh the day after like well that's mlk day we take that whole week off and you're like all right how about next year can we push next year so we did that and it was literally and then on top of that you take like a month to hear after that so so so you and i'm so i'm a doer i'm not so that's why i'm making my own thing with gary we have uh i think that movie's really good But then during the time, I was so angry that no one was doing this.

1:45:40I was like, I'm going to write another movie. So I just wrote a movie about like a basketball comedy. So I think I'm going to try to do something with that next year. I'll just, I'm going to tour a little less next year. I'm burnt out from touring. How many dates did you do? I don't know how many I did this year. I did like 50 in the first three months on the tour bus. That's a hell of a lot. And then I'll do like weekends here and there just to kind of keep it tight. But yeah, so I'll do like theaters the first half of the year. But I'm doing some clubs again. I'm doing Europe coming up. so I'm pumped to go back to Europe then like Chicago, New York just stuff like that to do like fun shows but I do a lot of the road I'm surrounded by comics who are just psychos so when you come up with Mark Norman and guys like that who are just like they never take a night off you're like oh if I don't do four sets in a night am I a piece of shit?

1:46:26I don't know maybe I don't know so you're surrounded by these kind of psychos it motivates you for sure oh man I'm excited I'm excited to see like where it goes how it goes because it's been fun watching you know i said this to you the other day when we're talking i said something a lot of people don't get about comedy this is just my opinion but is a lot of time people will go they'll say to me like oh that comic is funny and that comic isn't is and i go no no sometimes i think what you're missing is the time is just meeting up with the comic and their talents do you know what i mean louis ck was funny forever and then something in and around the recession connected with him and people were like this is my guy and this feeling connects with me and then they rolled it was him talking about his kids exactly broke him exactly and then kevin hart was funny forever and then something connected around that time people like this is the guy so i feel like there's so many comedians where people will tell a comedian i don't know or no they're funny now and i'm like no no no no no now is just catching up to their funny and i feel like we're witnessing your nowness no and so nice no but i mean this genuinely i i love comedy i'm not i'll tell you this it's not even about niceness i'm just i love i love comedy so much yeah no i i love what we do i mean i feel very fortunate like i i am excited i'm almost always excited to work which is pretty cool yeah i'm always and like even writing i get pretty pumped to look over stuff i you know i don't really feel drained from what i do and that's why people are like why don't you take more time off i enjoy it i really do like it I understand I have to do other stuff just to live, to have stories.

1:48:01But I'll do – so many of my best bits are me making a terrible, drunken decision that led to a night of regret. And I'm like, oh, that's a bit. That's a story. So I'll still do that. I just think, you know, it's hard to not work when you love what you're doing. Yeah, you found your purpose. And I love going up. And part of why I'm always at the Comedy Cellar is just like, oh, I just – I live walking distance from there. It's fun to just – you know go up and just be like let me try these ideas well you know what's funny is people will often not like like the broader but some people might judge a comedian for that they'd be like you're always there yeah i remember once saying this to them they're like you're always at the cellar and i was like yeah you're always in your office yeah every day monday to friday you are at the office from eight until five i'm only there for 15 minutes what the hell are you doing yeah i might be here every day for like 45 minutes an hour two hours at most it's like yeah you relax you know what I mean this is your office and you love it at the same time yeah you're touring like crazy right I've slowed down now so I spend more time in South Africa I've slowed down I uh because you know what it is is there's there's an interesting thing that happens and it can happen to you anywhere in the world but America is very good at amplifying this gun violence

1:49:26is america's the land of more yeah all right so if you can do 50 dates you want to do 60 dates yeah you want to do 70 dates you know we can add a second show that night yeah what do you think about a third show have you ever done those four how many four you know afternoon shows have gotten real popular you could do a 1 p.m and then a 5 p.m and and the thing i've learned is one of the reasons america is the economic powerhouse of the world is because it's the land of more like quarterly earnings get that money up pump that thing get it going but i also think one of the reasons it's you know one of the most like depressed violent and unequal places despite how much money it has is because it's the land of more so the thing i'm trying to search for in life is that balance like you're saying i don't ever want to hate comedy because i chased the money side of comedy and not the comedy side of comedy because none of us here got into it for the money originally there wasn't the money that remember that started i mean i i was like i was so satisfied to be just like a guy who played clubs on the road it's the best feeling in the world i was i was just like looking at people who had that career and i was like that would be amazing it's the best feeling in the world yeah because i remember the first time you start a headline you're like this is amazing it's my show i get the you know it's so cool so yeah the money is great but uh and obviously you know there is that fear that it could it could go away and and all that stuff but uh but yeah no it's it's so freaking fun that's i mean i i think comedy movies are fun i love movies so i i want to do there's other stuff i want to do but stand-up is always going to be number one.

1:51:01Stand up will be the base. Yeah. Hopefully, if we leave this earth before seeing you make some sort of noir comedy slash something slash something. Or play Luigi Mangione. It would have been. Oh, dude, I'm not in good enough shape for that. Come on, that kid was ripped. I mean, that's the whole point, the transformation. The transformation? I think I'm too old too. No, that's the transformation. Come on, we got AI. Come on, man. Oh, yeah, but we saw that in The Irishman. That was rough, dude. You don't want to see old ass Sam shooting a guy. all right uh before we wrap up give us a list of movies we got to watch everyone says this about you they go samarill the movie bus i just like movies yeah no no no no no no no don't don't say that yeah you are like a like a savant when it comes to you don't just like me i like movies yeah i'm the kind of guy who recommend leatherheads i like i just like movies you know movies give us five movies we have to watch okay so what's the one you said on the bus that everyone started oh that was called the big heat okay big heat it's a cool movie it's like a copper unhinged cop revenge movie and uh this actress gloria graham is in it as well and she was like awesome actress of her era she's in uh it's a wonderful life okay she's in um in this great humphrey bogart movie called in a lonely place and she's famous for banging her stepson and then marrying him in real life in real life and that got her like basically thrown out of hollywood but she's a great actress cancel culture yeah damn yeah dude she was uh she was she was a wild one but But then - Yeah, that's more than just a wild one.

1:52:26Big Heat's a good one. Banging your steps on is more than just a wild one. I'll go another old noir from the 40s called Double Indemnity. That's like the prototype. Okay. It's like, it's perfect. It's like 90 minutes. I love a 90 minute movie, tight script, hard, hard killer dialogue. Okay. And yeah, it's Fred McMurray, Barbara Stanwyck, and you got no Edward G. Robinson. I mean, old school, like talks like this shit, like that talk. Love that. Sunny. Yeah, and I'll give you one more noir from those old ones. Cool, cool. I just love these movies because the scripts are airtight. And for a movie to stand the test of time, like 80 years or whatever old, to me you have to have such a tight script and it has to be relevant.

1:53:09It has to hit in the feelings of morality that haven't changed. So Out of the Past is a big one for me. Robert Mitchum, awesome movie. Now I'll go a little more modern. Let me think modern, fuck. should I go all noir yeah just go all noir we know modern just give us like we have 15 here's one from the 90s that not enough people have seen Sam Raimi movie called A Simple Plan I love that movie that's from the 90s that's an awesome one who's on it Bill Paxton R.I.P. great actor he was in a lot of movies Billy Bob Thornton Bridget Fonda good cast Billy Bob's unreal in it it gives this monologue in it that you're like it breaks you it's so good I'll go another shit man I'll go this one's kind of obvious but I love it Fargo killer okay that one I love that one too I've seen one you've seen Fargo Fargo's killer right at least I've got one yeah this is good I've got a 15 hour flight coming up yeah man you're gonna do it yeah hell yeah I'll send you some more if you want yeah we'll take them yeah man come join us again I would love to man it's great talking to you guys thanks for coming through thanks for being sweaty my pleasure can I tell you Carnegie Hall, December 4th.

1:54:24Do you have like a website? Yeah, samorel.com slash shows, or you could just go to punchup.live slash samorel. Okay. Everything's there, but yeah, I'm all over London, Dublin, Paris. Which one of these has a notepad and which one doesn't? None of them. Okay, no notepad. I'm locked in right now. There's no notepad. I don't want the same thing to happen. It's a locked-in show. All right, no notepad. I've never been to a lot of these. I've never been to Berlin. I've never been to Milan. I'm doing shows these places, so I'm pumped. Oh, you're going to love Berlin. I'm pumped. You're going to love Berlin.

1:54:52I'm excited. That's one of my favorite places to do comedy. I'm excited. Yeah, I'm all over. Do you have any recommendations as to where he could go in Berlin? There's a sex club I've heard about. Perhaps a nightlife kind of excursion where he might go. Oh, Berghain. Oh, there. Is that the sex club? Have you heard of it? I don't think to call it a sex club is to diminish it. It's focusing on the aspect of it that is the most shocking to most people. Gotcha. But Bergheim is also arguably the best nightclub in the world. I think they've won the award for best sound system 10 years running, maybe more.

1:55:28Really? Stands to be corrected. Yeah, but like easily. It was one of the best sound systems because it's perfectly in phase. So you don't even realize how bad most sound systems are when you go out. Until. Because the sound is just loud. And then the sound system at Bergheim is so perfectly tuned that you can have a conversation like this while the music is like thumping away. Because the sound waves are perfect. Does that make sense? perfectly caribouled the room is measured everything any DJ you talk to in the world who's like a DJ DJ they go man playing at Bergheim because people will go there to dance from Friday night until Monday Monday night I think it goes yeah are you a dancer?

1:56:05oh I love it I'm not really a dancer oh no go it doesn't matter if you can get into Bergheim go like if you can get in go but you might not it's a tough yeah but it's not a tough door because it's fancy it's tough door because they're just like you're not going to fit the vibe yeah I'm probably not gonna what's the vibe inside there the vibe is just whatever it starts it as a it was like a gay club originally and then like it was just like very free and non-judgmental and then I just I think they want to maintain that they're just like yo don't come judgy vibes here don't come Sam would fit right in yeah you would actually he's a non-judgy guy he just wants to have a good time I'm not judgy at all yeah just go in there I mean I judge a little but it's like I pick apart but then I'm like nah but you're good that's usually where I'm at that's fine you know who would also fit in there the photographer based on what he did in the bus.

1:56:52Don't remind me. Don't hotbox that bus. When you find out what happens at Bergheim, you'll understand the little nugget this man left you with. All right, Sam Meryl, thank you, man. Appreciate it, buddy. Thank you, guys. This episode is presented by Whole Foods Market. Whole Foods Market is the place to get everything you need for Thanksgiving. With great prices on turkey, quality organic produce, grab-and-go sides, and everyday low prices from 365 brand, you can prep for the holiday with big savings. Shop everything you need for Thanksgiving now at Whole Foods Market.

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