Wil Sylvince: Grappling with Nuance

27:06What am I doing? I can't tell. Exactly. So you can't. So, but now. That's blindness. It forced me to like, listen to your words. So you just forced yourself to do this. I just forced myself. I kept forcing myself. What did you do before that? I just used to be like this. Yeah. Nah, man. What the hell is going on with this? Oh, wow. And so you were just like, I'm going to look. I'm going to stay focused. But how did you know that you weren't looking at them? Yeah. No, I wasn't. Yeah. Did someone tell you? Because I was all over here. And I'm like. And I'll be like, wait, what happened? Repeat that again?

27:33Repeat that again? You know what I'm saying? So I No, no, no I was paying attention But what the hell is this? Is this real? You know what I'm saying? I was just all over the place This man is a miracle of science right here I think you create a problem Instead of curing it I think the best You can fix anything If you mentally force yourself Yeah, but the best part About having a conversation with someone Is not hearing everything they have to say This is not your girlfriend Some of my best friends I only take my 30 % If I were to consume 100 % Will What would happen? Exactly I would know Because Why would I be like Why would My man you don't know my friends I can't be 100 % You know I wouldn't I wouldn't believe you If No I wouldn't believe what Will is telling us If you also hadn't lost Like 100 pounds But that's the one telling you No no no no I'm on your side Don't fight with me I'm saying I'm on your side here I'm saying I used to weigh 220 pounds Yes Another thing about I used to weigh 220 pounds Right And then Why is that figure so round Why wasn't there 122 to 1.0 No no That's the last time 4 FM in the evening In the morning Because when I weighed myself I remember like Damn And then you know You just take it as life And then a couple of things Made me change my ways One day I was I was They booked me at this show In Colorado They put me in a nice suite Nice suite Big-ass mirrors everywhere.

29:01And whenever I go to nice hotels, like where I'm on tour with Trevor, don't ever come in my room and just barge in. You got to make sure you knock. I just like to walk around naked. You know, I make some calls. Hey, girl, you wish you was here. You know what I'm saying? Walk around naked. So I'm in the bathroom brushing my teeth, right? I looked in the mirror. A dude, someone broke into my room, right? And they're naked and backing up. It was me. I didn't recognize my back fat. And I was like, it was so shocking to me that I couldn't, I looked like an old man. Huh? No, I'm not hairy. Okay, shut up.

29:43But it was huge. I looked like a lump of clay. Uh-uh, nah. And then I remember I went and I just took one of those thick ass robes. I couldn't bear nobody to look at me. Oh, shady. Not even a mirror. and then I just sat down watching TV. I remember, I can't remember the sports player but some sports player was still playing sports because I kept saying, I'm getting old. You know, I'm 30. I'm just old age. I looked at this and it was like, hey, he's 50 something and he's still in great shape and that's what made me change. I'm like, damn, it's all in your head. Like, you are what you want to be.

30:20So from that moment on, I decided to change my life. You know, change your foods, start exercising and change the way I think. It's really the way you think, right? Think first and then you apply. That's why I tell people, if you want to lose weight, what do you really want, right? If you want to be unhealthy, that's fine. That's your life. It's your life. But understand being unhealthy comes with consequences and you have to be okay with that. Diabetes, hypertension, cancer, your body parts might stop working. You have to be okay with that because this is the choice you made. but if you also you want to be healthy understand that it's a hard of old like you know what I'm I'm it's just like when you go to college you're not going to ace all you're going to have to study you're going to have to work hard you're going to have to do everything or if you're in a relationship with a partner why it takes work because being going healthy you have to understand you've been eating a certain way your whole life you used to taste you used to certain smells you used to certain textures so you have to give all that up to go on this healthy healthy the path and understand it won't be easy just like when you ride a bike when you first roll the bike you fall you don't take the bike and put it away no you get back on and ride again get back on and ride again until you're like i got this now now you now you're riding with no hands same thing with health when you want to be healthy you just gotta give you give yourself time understand that you're gonna fail understand that you know what you know i'm gonna but this is the road i want to be i want to be healthy and about me it's not about i don't want to be 100 years old i don't want to be 90 but i want to i want to i want to be today i want to live today that makes sense i want to be healthy now so when you're a lump of clay you're not i don't know where i'm gonna be 100 years or 10 years or even two years from now but today i want to be i want to be you know i'm saying wait wait so you were in a suite doing comedy and on tour with back fat looking like a lump of clay brushing your teeth you were still that guy speaking to a girl no no wait weren't you happy that day?

32:22Not when I saw that person. No, no, wait, wait. Before you judged yourself. Right. Weren't you happy that day? Not really. There was always low self-esteem. There was always a sense of I'm not. No, no, no. But when you walk in the hotel, wait, the suite, you're walking in there, you even took off your clothes, you call girls. Because my mind is not on me. Understand? My mind is on other things. But then when your mind, when I start focusing on me, then I get depressed. I ain't nobody. My comedy sucks. Oh, so what you're saying is when you avoided yourself, life was good. Yeah. But that mirror made you unable to avoid yourself in that moment.

33:01Exactly. And you decided this is what I need to change. Yeah. How long did it take you? What was like the first? It took some years because changing the way you think could take a while, man. It took me another two years to like, you know, I realized it wasn't fads. It wasn't quick diets. It wasn't, let me just get this up. And no, I had to change the way I think. Yeah. And then I applied. Then after you accept, you know what, I want to be healthy, change the way I think. Then I had to learn about health, read books, watch documentaries. When people go to war, right, they just go in there. They learn about how much airplanes they have, how much shifts they have, how many of this they have.

33:47And then they have a plan. okay we're gonna enter here cause there's no there's nobody in level C so we'll enter to level C same thing with the war on fat you gotta you need the war on fat now yes with yourself with myself in America it's war on fat you know I hope the war on fat the war on fat this war this war on fat the war on fat is an individual war it's not a nation war because America try to make it seem like it's why you got we got a war on fat Because companies want you to be fat Wait let me ask a question There are people who lost weight The hard way And I've heard a lot of those people Have resentment towards people Who'd like take Ozempic Do you have that?

34:35I don't because why do you care about somebody else What they chose It's almost like I hate this person because they're Catholic Or I hate this person because they chose to date An Asian person Why do you care about what other people are doing with their lives Okay, so you don't have any of that. How's their life affecting your life? No, no, I'm just asking. You don't have any of that. No, no, no. No, not at all. So if you see them lose the weight because of Ozempic, you're just as happy. But that's what I say. You're just as happy that they lost the weight. That's what I say when the number one choice, what do you want?

35:01Not what other people want for you. Not what your parents want for you or your girlfriend or boyfriend. What do you want for you? Why did you say your boyfriend looked at me? Because you wear scars.

35:15Oh, man. Can I ask you something? Did you always have this growing up? Were you always strong-willed? No. No, I was very weak-minded and more of a follower and stuff. Duck feet. Duck feet. Pimples and stuff. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Pimples doesn't have anything to do with your personality. I love how you threw pimples in. Pimples is part of a poor diet. No, man, Will. Come on, man. You see, you're going to start with that conspiracy shit now. You see now. You see what Will just did there. He just threw it in. He's like, man, no, man, my mind was weak when I was young, man. I had no confidence and, you know, and I was just a follower and I had pimples, man.

35:55Skittles. Yo, you can't control whether or not you have acne. That's not in your control. It's in the diet. No, there's a man who grew up as a kid. Will, I will say this one thing to help you. Oh, no, I mean to add on to what you're saying. He's not helping him anymore? a lot of the time people have done a thing like that but they don't uh either they don't remember it or they don't reference it what do you mean wait what so like in a person's life yeah there was a time where they had to do a thing where they had to like do it for themselves yeah you know where they do it themselves yes do it themselves they had to fix something in their life whatever it may be right and then then they do it other people didn't tell them to do it and sometimes it's not even a like a negative thing it's just like a thing where they used self discipline or self-will yeah you know when someone is like i just you miss people and a person not overweight or anything but you'll be like how come you started uh jogging then they were just like i just started it was hard i started waking up at five why i don't know i just but it was hard and I did it based on myself, you know?

37:08Then when they take on other challenges, they forget to reference that. Because you're sort of like dipping in the same pool of... Oh, they forget to tell other people... Of their own thing. That they now have a new skill or muscle that they had to develop from a certain space. And they don't... Of their own thing. So let's say you learn to play, you learn to... Like your thing, the duck feet thing. You fix it yourself or the weight thing. then you decide to do another thing if this another person they forget to reference that they once did that thing it's like we once they come out perfect after the results no so like when you won a championship and you do another tournament you must be like I won the previous championship yeah what I'm saying is like if someone learns how to play the piano then they go on to play guitar they need to reference the fact that at some point they had learned how to play piano because that thing they accumulated the skill Yeah, that thing sort of directly ties to this next part of it as opposed to it being an independent...

38:08But not the actual activity. Yeah, not the act. The willpower. The willpower of the act. That's what I mean. They built it from somewhere. Yes. Because they'll be like, I don't have the willpower to do this. Then you go like, surely, not surely, in your life, there's a thing where you just in the course of life, just like in the course of life, people have a bad time, people have a good time, you know, like life offers things. In the course of your life, just because you're a human being, There was a time when, of your own volition, you did a thing. When you now need to do another thing of your own volition, remember that you are doing this for the second time.

38:44That's just how life is. The second time where you're like, I need to do this thing, I can guarantee you it is not the first time you need to use that self-discipline. Yes. You definitely, definitely, definitely have done it once before. And you've got to reference that. But pimples is not one of them. I'm just going to go back to say Pumples is 100 % not right But you know The strange thing with Acne is not With weight When you tell people That you've lost weight That have never seen you fat Yes You're wasting your time This is true Completely Because we don't know How to reference that Right No no this is true But I'll tell you this Will you give us a picture That we can put up For the people No no you don't do the picture Just give us a picture So we can put it up For the people And you must put it Upside down for more For more Not upside down But you must start it Upside down And then it must rotate For more effect Okay cool I'm down And wear more tank tops.

39:31Just to show us what you've done with your life. Also, about the willpower thing, right? With your family and friends. That's what we're going to call this episode, Will Power. Get it? Because your name's Will. Thank you. I love doing that to Will. Because he does that to us all the time. And when you do it back to him, he looks at you like, how can you live like this?

39:56so what made my journey a little bit harder right the people i surround myself with whether they want you to be fat or they they they they don't like they black community think if you're not if you're skinny you're sick you're something something's wrong with you right but that's where it came from it came from a real place though yeah yeah what do you mean well i mean for almost the entire history of existing, if you were super skinny, it means things were really tough for you and life was not good. Right, but not super skinny, just small. No, skinny. Even then skinny. Like things were not good for you.

40:33Right. Do you know what I mean? Skinny is a byproduct of lack. So now that we reversed it, you think now this is going to be the thing, the thing like you're really big. No, it is. I actually think it is. I do think, I think if you look at society now versus then, and obviously it's different Depending on where you are in the world Yeah But certain body shapes and types Hold a completely different connotation Depending on where you are Yeah So now Especially because of Ozempic and these things Now I think people who are heavier Are going to be seen as being poorer Or of that class Yes Because They each other No because before it was like a willpower thing Yeah Oh you chose You gained Oh you're overweight It means that you don't work out Or you're struggling But now it's like Oh you don't want to take Ozempic You don't want to take these drugs It also means You can't afford them probably So I think to your point That will become Very quickly a signifier Of how people see Your place in society Like what is your station in life They'll go It becomes class Yeah it becomes It literally becomes that Like when we grew up Right The skinnier people You were immediately Like just looked at as Yeah you're not doing well Things are not If your like dad or uncle Was skinny Yeah They're not doing well Yeah that's why in Haiti back in the days men used to like the bigger women because bigger women meant two things they were healthy and they could cook oh there you go yeah so has that changed or is it like stayed the same now it's changed now they want they want the small waist but the big bumps oh now they want Instagram essentially they want the things okay so wait wait wait when was the last time you went to Haiti by the way how often do you get back last year two years ago what's it like when you go that long it's nice I don't well the Port-au-Prince is you know is not doing well is that the part that's overrun by gangs by gangs yeah okay yeah so imagine like America New York City is overrun by gangs but the rest you know Miami's still good oh okay you know Boston's still good like you know when you see it in the news it's like don't go to Haiti as a whole all of it is all just a war zone but if you look at the news for a long time in the 80s, 70s, 80s, 90s, America, these countries, they don't want to show you the bad part.

42:50They don't want to show you the bad part. They won't show you, oh, but if you fly into this part of town, the sun is out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They only show you the bad part. So what I was saying was, when I get around my friends, I got teased a lot. Like, look at Will, eating trees and leaves and stuff. You know? So now that you've - Shout out to Keith Robinson, who always teased me. Hey, Keith. I had to - Keith teaches everyone. I had to either A, stop hanging out with my friends, or B... This is when you were becoming healthy. When I'm becoming healthy, when I'm prepared to a healthy lifestyle.

43:23I had to just eat before I got around them so I didn't feel pressure to eat. And then once I became, once I got comfortable and didn't care what they said and didn't let that affect me, then I became more of a role model to some, inspiration to some. You've definitely been a role model and inspiration to me. I'm going to put it out there. If you made a website And you need a testimonial I'll come on there Yeah The amount of times Can I tell you something The amount of times I have not eaten something Because of Will Like You are responsible For 50 pounds I do not have on my body That's a lot That's good The amount of times Will has gone Man you don't need that When we're on the road Man you don't need that But he'll eat it later That's weird isn't it This may or may not be true No but I'm serious You know why because you've never judged me.

44:15I don't see you judge people. No. But you get into like a very... You get into like a very inspirational... No, Will gets very like... He gets very motivational. Like Will will be like... And then he'll be... And then start telling you about like the benefits of omega-3s and fatty acids in fish and why you should move to fish and you need this in your body. And then he'll like squeeze. He'll take like a piece of steak from your plate. Then he'll squeeze it. Then the fat comes out. Then he's like, this fat, this is going to your heart, man. This is going to your heart. And then he puts it back down and then he like you gonna eat that and then he like no I'm not gonna eat that anymore you know what I should do also I was a big fan this guy bro no he does it's a good thing but it's when Will gets into like healthy food mode it's one of the best shows you'll ever watch in your life because he's so evangelical about it you see why I listen to 30 % of what my friends say you know you see you see why when you get dialed in what happens like I'm watching Telemundo but why am I watching this storyline why So I used to do little tricks, right?

45:13So one of the tricks I used to do, I love cake, right? I used to love cake. So I do this. You used to? Yeah, I used to love cake. I would eat two bites and throw it in the garbage. And people are like, you're just wasting food. You're throwing away food. I'm like, yeah, either I throw that away or I throw this away. I'd rather throw that away. That make sense? No, that doesn't make sense. There were kids in Africa. Yeah. Okay, I'll mail it to them. There are kids in Africa who didn't have cake. And we're those kids, Will. And I wish that I was them because they're skinny and nice and healthy. I don't know what I'm saying.

45:44So wait, so why would you, I don't understand. So you did that. I eat that while I'm getting the high from my dad. And then I get rid of it and get rid of it, because I got the fix. Yeah, psychologically you're showing yourself - Oh, okay, okay. So you wouldn't, so you would go like, I may not be able to resist eating a cake, but I cannot finish the cake. Yes. And it's better than nothing. It's better than eating a whole cake. Okay. I like this. I don't - This now, this explains why, I see why you're like, I see now why you're a boxer and like This is the guy. This is like, you know? Also, we always want the best girlfriend or the best boyfriend or the best partner or the best husband, best wife.

46:20Right? We always want the... But we never offer the best of us. Wait, can you just gender as well? Okay, the best girlfriend and the best boyfriend, right? Yeah, yeah. But we never offer the best of us. We offer this person that don't want to eat healthy, this person that don't want to exercise, who don't want to take their career seriously. Damn, that's deep. So we're like, hey, you better take this. You better accept me as is But you better You better Be on your piece of cues Here's a question Will The You were So obese And I'm not saying Wait How obese was he? No No You said You said 220 Every time we turn around They give him a welcome back party Oh man The way you said that Were you obese?

47:07Or just that? No I was just Yeah Oh, I don't know what 220 is because I work in kilograms. 100 kilos. You were 100 kilos. I dropped 30 kilos. Okay, 100 kilos is also... Yeah, but 100 kilos for his height. Yes, relative. I was going to say for height, it depends. And this is an honest question. Yes. Is that you got shocked by 100 kilos. I got shocked? Shocked. By seeing yourself at 100 kilos. Okay. As for you, you said it. Okay, okay. You were naked in the hotel room. Right. Peek into a girl. Blashing your teeth. Let me explain to you so you can visualize what I'm saying. Maybe we don't want to.

47:44We want to visualize this. Go, go, go. We're so used to seeing the front. Yeah. By mirrors, pictures, all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We never see the other part. Why? Why? You don't see the other part. Hold up, Hammer. I'm trying to explain to you. Right? He's sorry. So the other part is the part that you don't see. And we never seen the front. Let's say you remember yourself from high school, right? I'm not sure you were skinny in high school. I was 130 in high school, right? I used to see myself skinny. And let's say I couldn't see for like 20 years. And I'm like, whoa, who is this person?

48:18That's why I'm talking about my back fat. I saw my back a long, long time ago. And you could see the blades, you know, your shoulder blades. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to always put my finger in my back and stuff. I also used to be able to touch my back. I can't even do it now. and then when I saw that image, it shocked me. It's almost like this person who I haven't seen in a long time and I'm seeing him now, I'm like, wow. Does that make sense? Yeah, it does make sense. That's what I assumed that you said and that's why you need to repeat it. Now, that was what my assumption was. I fully got what you said.

49:00Wonderful communicator. I was on board with what you said. about your back. That's how we feel about Dave's comments. No, that's what I'm saying about the back thing. As we see them and we're like, ah! I'm saying about the back thing. Yes. What is your recommendation for people who don't have that shock moment? Do you see what I'm saying? A lot of people are living, but life does not shock them hard enough that they can make this huge change. So then, I would venture to say, I mean, I don't know the percentages, but a huge amount of people are not going to have the shock moment, But if they did what you say, their lives would improve.

49:38But how are they going to do it without a shock moment? Well, okay. Let me be a little bit more clear. So that was one moment, right? And that was enough to get me depressed for a long time. Then I had another moment. I was dating this girl, right? Tall, milder girl. And I did a show, right? You know I used to wear my tank tops, right? Because I had nice arms. And I did good. I got off stage like good show good show I got to her she said either wear a shirt or wear the tank top without the stomach you ever someone tell you something and you wait what what because there's so much because you don't tell you that after the show yeah but you got ADD's coming out but that's the one that stuck and I know how to go because I'm getting all these high praise good show amazing blah blah blah wear a shirt or wear the tank top without a stomach I'm expecting A compliment But I'm not expecting And then it hit me Like The only thing I could say In my head Was But you're having sex with me You're having sex with this But now that's even You've answered And another thing I learned About women Women will date a dude That's not They're not attracted to Because they find other things Attractive about them And that's how we survived For so long You understand what my question is K105F No you're just saying You had a you're just saying you had a second shock moment which is not helping me which is not helping us who are not having shock moments I'm saying what do we Will is saying we're in the turn so let me explain do we have to wait to rock bottom how can we, a huge amount of people because everyone in the world the sob story you're telling the sob story you're telling everyone is telling it on the internet everyone is telling us everyone is telling us about rock bottom you want to get that shock moment send a picture of yourself in your underwears to a modeling company and say hey would you hire me that's and why won't you no no I'm saying and give a and why won't you and please give details on why you won't or act like hey look this is my friend they want to be a model you know what I hope people I hope people with low self esteem are not listening to this episode he asked for it no but you see what I'm saying I'm asking a reasonable thing I'm saying the world the world is full of shock moments yes but what I'm saying as this though.

52:01Yeah. It seems strange to me that you would ask the person who needed a shock moment what people should do if they don't have a shock moment because he's told us that he achieved this through shock moments so I wouldn't assume that he knows what to do without the shock moments. Okay, let's just place this whole thing. No, but maybe the real shock moment was not seeing your back was that woman being mean to you. Wait, can I say something else? No, you can't say anything else. Hold on. We're done. We're done. This is it for you. Dave, you know how many people... You're a port-au-prince right now.

52:28You can't be touched. You know how many people have shock moments but still don't do anything about it is that a shock moment yeah then it's not yes people hit rock bottom and they still can still do the smoke crack or lose everything their house everything their kids their wife and still go gamble as soon as they get another dollar owning a house is not fine yes but also because quitters never win yes to those people who have hit rock bottom people who have lost their houses taking crack all of it. As they said, dust yourself off and try again. What I'm saying to you, Will, forget these guys.

53:06Quillers never win. Forget these guys. Forget these guys. What I'm saying to you. You never quit being a winner. I'm joking. I'm joking. Don't go anywhere, because we got more What Now? after this.

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55:42What I've always appreciated about you is you are able to choose a path and then go just, you know, straight down that path. You know, you really are strong-willed. Like, your name, where does Wilna come from? What does Wilna mean? Wilna. Yeah, what does it mean? Do you know? Look it up, Dave. Wilna has to mean something. You're a man on the street. You're a man on the street. Your whole life now would come to her. He doesn't, we don't want to surprise you. But, like. Pull it. Pull it up, Dave. No, so here's what I'm saying. unbelievable

56:24who's the tech guy and let's go to the martyr dave oh wow look at this is beautiful so this is amazing so i'm seeing here um the surname well i guess it was a surname so i guess you just have it as a name but um it is a german and jewish name which in yiddish means um wilna wilna um And it generally means resolute protector is what it means. Which is what you're currently doing. Yeah. You're resolute and you're trying to protect us from our worst health. Can I ask you a question? I'm not saying this to be facetious. Facetious. She lives in my building. Facetious. Facetious, get down here. You got a package.

57:11Oh, you see, but when I do to him, you see now, I told you. I felt sorry for you. Not anymore, Hammer. So where do you think we find the balance in life between living life optimally and living life enjoyably? I'll tell you why I asked this question. Do you know Brian Johnson? The guy, don't die. He's that dude who's doing all the experiments on himself. Oh, the one on Netflix. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The one looks like an alien. That guy. And he's like He has scientists Take his Draw his blood Like multiple times a day He went So his The long version The short version of his story is He made a lot of money In the tech sector I believe Found himself very depressed Almost suicidal Was overweight Really struggling in life Something switched for him And he was like I've got to like fix this Dedicated himself And his life to science He's like I want to figure out How to be healthier And live better Live longer Yeah and live long But the main thing Was not like live longer it's sort of like live healthier to will's point right so he starts embarking on these experiments assembles a team crazy amount of scientists they draw his blood they run tests on him they try and understand the effects of everything food alcohol sleep exercise etc and they always try and like figure out a more optimal way to do things right now i i actually like a lot of what Brian's doing because he clearly says that, look, this is not the answer.

58:41It's just what we're finding with myself, right? And a lot of the things he offers you are actually quite, he goes like, here's what we found is most impactful with sleep, you know? And he'll be like, this is what's most impactful with working out. This is what is most impactful. All of this stuff is great but then i bumped into brian at some event that was happening in sweden illuminati okay we just call it the hang

59:13then then it's like 11 p.m at night there's music playing and everything then i said to brian isn't it past your bedtime because he goes to bed at like five or six p.m That's when it's optimal Then he goes Yeah but I mean Because I'm out now I'm doing this Then I said to him And this was an honest question I said Do you ever wonder How much Your life is now becoming The antitheses Of what you're sort of saying Because like You're having fun You've even said it You're having fun right now Right The reason you're having fun Is because you're going against You're not doing what you're supposed to be doing Sleeping at the perfect time is optimal Sleeping alone is optimal in many ways Is it?

59:58Yeah, yeah, yeah Haven't you seen those things Where they go like you It's like Sleeping alone is more optimal For many metrics Not for old Okay, yeah, I get you But for your temperature Sleep disruptions All of these things That's why in like You know when you go to Germany And some Scandinavian countries When you go to a hotel They don't have one duvet cover They have two Even on a Double bed On a king bed or whatever It's two You would imagine just quickly you'd imagine that someone would develop the technology where you start together and then through the course of the night the bed split that's actually not a bad idea so you can hire someone to do it while you guys are sleeping sorry sorry so what we what we were chatting about is I said you're having fun right and he said yes and I said do you acknowledge that a lot of this fun that you're having it's not ideal and it's not optimal and he's like yeah and then I said to him Could we say that your life is more fun Than when you were only doing the experiments And he said yes it is And then I said now How do you find the value of that in life And that's the question I'm sort of posing to you As I go We can not eat anything unhealthy We can not do anything unhealthy We can But yo man Like monkeys get high sometimes You know what I mean Dolphins get high Monkeys get high because of us no no no no no Will what are you talking about the stuff with dolphins do you have the sharks that's on cocaine there's a lot of yes there's a lot of cocaine in the water there's a lot of fish that they find in cocaine elephants with the marula I'm saying the marula yeah elephants get drunk on the marula fruits oh okay so there's a fruit that we have in South Africa and when it ferments the elephants will purposefully wait for it to ferment and then they consume like copious amounts It's called bootlegger elephants.

1:01:52And then they get drunk. Did that elephant go home and beat his kids and his wife?

1:02:05So what I'm saying is, where do you or how do you find the balance? Wait, so how did the story with your friend end? So you said to him right now? No, he just acknowledged. He was like, yeah, he's like, you make a good point. Because I said in all of your tests, you are able to measure the impact that these activities have on your life because you can't track them. But I was like But you can't track The value of community Fun You can't track The value of fun You can't Like whenever I see Those stories about people Who've lived beyond 100 They'll always go into like Oh yeah They walk a lot And they eat well And they eat the same shit But you know what They also all have They have community They have a good time They have friends They all seem like They also lived like A full life So what I'm asking you As well Not even challenging you What I want to understand Is like How do you find the balance Between living your life fully optimally and then also like indulging when you want to.

1:03:02Can I tell you this? I started noticing the small things in life that's enjoyable. The stuff that I would pass by. Yeah. Whether it's sit down and really listen to that song that I claim I like. Listen to the lyrics. Try to pick out the bass. Try to pick out the drums. This is because you can't have cake. No, but we're so quick to live like this. Yeah. As opposed to sit down and, you know, or like when I, now when I go for a walk, I'm noticing things about the street, about buildings, about people. You know, you find other, I've been finding, obviously not for everybody. I've been finding other things that I enjoy, that I like.

1:03:43That you appreciate. I appreciate. I'm like, wow, life is crazy in a good way. Life is, there's so much to life. That's how I live my life. But when you, look, I'm not judging anybody at all. Try to look at it on Google. But when you drink or you take drugs, all that's a blur now. Man, you crazy. Get out of here with this. This guy's going to come and tell us about noticing. Man, you crazy and you're out of your mind. There's people who will go and do mushrooms. They'll see more than you can ever, like, just see. Well, you say what drugs, did I? Because I do believe some drugs. I think marijuana is healthier for you than cigarettes.

1:04:23Okay, okay, okay, okay. Or healthier for you. So you're not saying just everything. I'm just saying hardcore drugs are hardcore. You've never drank, though? I don't drink, no. At all? You've never touched alcohol? I started drinking, I tell you, I started drinking red wine when they said red wine is good for your heart. And I started drinking a cup a day. Then I started, I'm like, oh, you got to drink. Then I found out red wine has resivitrol in it. Resivitrol is the closest thing to the front of a ute. So it slows down your aging process. But the amount of alcohol you got to drink, red wine, to get that.

1:04:56So they make them as supplements. The inside of grapeseed leaves, you know, grapeseed, grapes, the inside of the skin, that's where they extract the resubatrol. And then I now just take supplements. I don't need to drink red wine. So when Will goes to a restaurant with you, he's insufferable. They'll be like, would you like anything to drink? And then Will's like, I'll just take the glass. I broke my Reservatrol myself The sommelier comes But you know Oh heck of a nothing I enjoy water now Like not just drinking for thirsty But tasting the water Because our taste buds become so Impaired And Numbed And layers and layers And water is just Water But when you I stopped Do you believe in vaccines?

1:05:50Do I believe? Like Santa Claus? Do you think people should get vaccinated? I don't know enough about... I'm not saying yes or no. Hand me out. Hand me out. You're about to call me no vaccine. No, I just wanted to know. I just wanted to know who I'm dealing with. I do believe vaccines help. And yes, they fix, they help save maybe mankind from dying out. Okay, okay. No, that's fine. That's what I was asking you. Same thing with like a car A car is You could take it from A to B Or a car could also Have killed people Yeah People use cars No no no Yeah yeah So people probably Making vaccines Just for the money No no no That's all I No I was trying to understand Like who I'm dealing with No no no There's no such thing as All vaccines are bad No no that's That's what I was I was just waiting to see So what happened to that girlfriend That told you Tank top Or polo neck What happened to her?

1:06:48The one who said Yo man We're actually still cool Are you still dating? No No No In fact In fact One of One of the reasons Why we probably Stopped dating Is cause It's gonna sound crazy Say it Will Say it Will Say it So So On my path To be a healthier lifestyle I started cutting down on sex Right But I feel like Just having random sex With random women Not random sex Random women Okay So the sex wasn't random The women were random Yeah Okay okay okay And I realized I could just smash myself And then nobody get hurt Rock and roll

1:07:37Rock and roll Will Listen here Rock and roll. Ladies and gentlemen, he cured the ADD. Hand me out. Can I just say what? You'll find me at the back. Can I just... Smash your... You went from random, no consequence sex to I can do this myself. Can I just say... Hand me out. We're not talking about chai tea here. Yo, what an emotional journey we've been on. I did not. There's no way I thought you were going to say that. Wait, wait. Wait, wait. Just to catch. If you're just tuning in, you might be wondering what journey we've been on. Will Silvins regaled us with tales of how he found himself unattractive when he saw himself in the mirror from behind and then has now taken us on a journey where he's landed at a place where he was losing so much weight that now I guess you were like, I would hit it from the back.

1:08:44Now I'm trying to solve one problem You start another one Sorry, there was an in between Sorry No, I'm saying in you took the turn Because Eugene asked What happened to that girlfriend Yeah, but he's telling us Yeah, yes, you answered the question Not in the way we thought you were going to answer it You surprised me Yeah But how did that Did you tell her that oh by the way I figured out there's a better way do you object so that was a point in my life is like I don't like lying right to women or to people if I call you a friend why should I lie to you but you know we lie but strangers we don't you in there yeah I lie to strangers all day okay cool you know what I'm saying yeah yeah yeah CVS is that way

1:09:42vaccines they're great I didn't say that so it's like I feel like we use people just for our fix for our high whatever that high is where you just want to you know and then we use people and then and especially when you know this person is into you you know this person wants you like that and yet you still do that to them. You still... Yeah, but that's what random people that are not close to us in our lives are there for. They are Mr. Meeksies. Hey, I'm Mr. Meeksies. And then they show up. They're there to serve a purpose and then when they're done they explode and disappear. Right. The other part of that is strangers.

1:10:22You don't know who... You don't know what kind of stranger that person is. They come knocking on your door or they come with some kind of weapon. Like, yeah, you're going to stop avoiding me now. No, no, no, no, no. First of all, Go back, go back, go back. I like what you're saying, though. Carry on. Yeah, so you're saying you have this realization. So it's like, I don't want to. But what I want to know is which side of the equation did you feel you were on? Well, okay, let me explain this. Let me just probably clear it up. The amount of level of respect I have for women, right, strangers or not, it comes from my dad, right?

1:10:54My dad always said that when you got a good woman in your life, make sure you take care of her. Define good woman. Good woman. Good woman. Just a good, you know, a good woman. No, I don't. No, I get what he's saying. No, no, no. However you define it. Okay, okay. No, he's saying, however good for you. There has to be a base. What's a good woman to you versus a bad woman? This is not about me, Will. No, not a bad woman versus a good woman. I'm saying, what's... I wouldn't know. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. You wouldn't know? No, but that's what I'm saying. Will, don't fall into this trap. Okay.

1:11:23Carry on. So my dad always say, whenever you have a good woman in your life, right, make sure you always take care and pay. even if they make more money than you the world treat women like shit for a long time either they underpaid them or they they they when a crime happened they don't believe them or what were you doing there what were you wearing so it's like it's like as a kid i didn't i'm like what is he talking about and then as i was getting older and watching and watching and i started realizing man we treat women and women are the nature they nature this planet you know without women where would we be you know so it's like we treat we treat a group of people this way yeah mistreat them underpay them don't listen to their word say say they talk too much you know the whole thing about women talk too much is because in the back of the day men didn't want women talking so any little talk they was talking too much so now when they get how long ago was this this is as early 60s women couldn't talk while a man was talking you know women were not allowed to have bank accounts.

1:12:29Women was not, you know, when people say, man, my grandparents, they stayed together forever. Nowadays, they don't do that. You know why your grandmother stayed with your grandfather? Because she had no choice. She had no money. If she left, people looked at her as used goods. I'm going to clip that and just send it to everyone who says, my parents, my grandparents stayed together. That is a perfect clip. Thank you, Will. I'm just going to use that clip and send it to everyone. I'm going to design an AI agent that is going to find people on the internet who say, I'm so proud my grandparents stayed together that I'm going to throw that video of Will.

1:13:06The only reason your grandparents stayed together. Sorry, carry on. And so your grandmother had no choice because a divorced woman or a mother was looked at as like, oh, you obviously didn't learn your lesson. So women stayed in these shitty relationships. And eventually, the man came about because he got too old. Or the people started noticing. So then he became a good husband by the time he was 60, 70, 80 years old. So how does this apply? So by the time you meet your grandfather, you're like, wow, grandfather and grandmother is nice. Wait, but then how does this apply to you and the girl? Oh, I was kidding.

1:13:43So my dad told me, like, you know, treat these women good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You told us the dad thing. Right? So now I'm realizing, wow, this girl is a nice girl. The fact that she told that to me in my face told me, wow, this is a good person. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, my friend. Let me explain. Let me explain. Yo, bro. Let me explain. Yo, my friend. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, my friend. After you've done a gig, you're getting adulation, people are complimenting you on a high. Will, Will. She just had to tell you. I don't know who this person is. I don't know what your situation was.

1:14:22But let me tell you something now. Shout out to Esther. Let me tell you something now, Will. If you just come off stage and people are high-fiving you, telling you what a great set you've just done. Yes. And then you get to the person that you were romantically linked with. Yes. And you get ready to give them a high-five. and instead they say to you, either wear a shirt or wear the tank top without the stomach. That, my friend, is not kind. Switch roles. That is not kind. If she was a female comedian and you were a husband, her boyfriend, and she had just done a gig, and you said that. Let me answer his question about switching roles.

1:15:06We've been treating women like shit forever, so that wouldn't work the other way around. A man can't tell a woman that because we always shitty. Wait, Will, Will, Will. Let me address this now. Hold on, can I get a chance to address this, Hammer? Will. So, there's no right or wrong way to let someone know. There is. Okay, look, to you, look, there's no, maybe she felt like, if I don't tell him now, I'm going to forget.

1:15:41I can't I can't falter You can I can't falter Two things can be true At the same time It's one thing It's one thing She told me In front of everybody Hey Hey Wear a shirt Wear the tape She told me that In a private space Will I agree with what Eugene is saying Two things can be true At the same time And I think that's That's very valid And important to remember in life Because I think And this is Forgive me if I speak for you comrade i think this this is something that we generally are all too comfortable with as society we just swing from one extreme to another we love it we just swing from one extreme to another all good all bad all old all new all you're the best no no no no yeah so what eugene is saying is very important.

1:16:35Two things can be true at the same time. A society dominated and controlled by men could have been responsible for the oppression and subjugation of countless women. This is completely true. And a woman, as a human being and an individual not representing anyone else of her gender, can do something to you who happens to be a man in an unkind way. both things can exist at the same time. So what we're disagreeing with is we're going, we're not saying women weren't treated better. No, no, no. But we're saying we can't now say this person has an inability to be unkind or be an asshole in a moment because of what has happened to an entire gender.

1:17:21Does that make sense? Right. Can I address that? Does this make sense? Yes. So that's what we're saying from the telling of your story. Maybe you're not telling the story correctly. I'm just saying to you as an observer. As an observer of the story, this is what I'm saying. Can I address that? Of course you can. I think as human beings, even in like, there's no owner's manual on how to handle situation or how to live life or how to approach things. There is, my friend. It's called the Bible. All right? You better read it. There's no owner's manual on how to do things. So we learn as we go for the most part.

1:17:59No, I definitely think it is. But we go We don't as we go In all seriousness We teach it to kids For them to become Better human beings We teach what? Lead with kindness Yes But okay okay Okay That's like basic basic You heard what he said? Yes You teach it to kids If you do not know Then how can you teach it? No no no Hold up But every child is taught Please and thank you Yes That's leading with kindness Yeah but if you Okay not every child That's your assumption That's your assumption Not every kid is taught Almost every kid No no no Not every kid Hold up hold up No, child, that's raising rudeness.

1:18:32What you're doing is you're doing what the KKK did. Blanket a group of people. This is how they all are. This is how they all are. This guy just said, you're doing what the KKK did. You just blanket. You just, you might as well join the KKK. Let's get a shot of your cheating race. He's doing what the KKK did. You're just like, this is what they all do. Will just came with the craziest. Yo, if I'm ever trying to win an argument, I'm going to use Will's tactics on anyone, bro. You try to mess with me. Let me tell you what you're doing, mom. You're doing KKK sex. You're some all kids. Okay, wait, wait.

1:19:08But we derailed you. What's more important, Will, is so how did the relationship end? What happened? Well, I... So it's two things, right? Yeah, but let's go. What happened? So I wasn't having sex with her. From the day she told you where I said... No, no, no, no. Even before? No. No, no. In our relationship, I was avoiding having sex with her. Okay. Right? because I was so very, I was very religious and stuff and I was thinking about, you know, saving my, yuck, yuck. And then also, but most important, I wasn't sure if I wanted to be in the long term with her. Okay. But I knew like, I knew that if I had sex with her, that's like, oh, oh, so what's going to happen?

1:19:53What are we doing with this now? Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. And so I didn't want to have to lie and then now I had to, because she provided good services to my life. She was honest. She made me look good. She gave me some good advice. So I didn't want to lose this friend over sex, over like, oh, nah, I don't want to have sex with her no more. Does that make sense? So you could have, did you tell her this? No, I didn't have that built in me to have that type of conversation. So you didn't want to lie to her, but you didn't want to tell the truth? Yes. Okay. Yeah, because people like me were looked at as nerds or they looked at, oh, yeah, he must be gay if he's not dealing with women.

1:20:31So it was like I didn't have the skills to know how to express this. Okay, so you were just like it's over. No, I didn't say it's over. I was like it just kind of faded away and stuff. So she saw you lose the weight. So she was dating you when you were, by your words, overweight. Yeah. Then you lost the weight and you were like, peace out. No, no, no, no, no. No, I'm saying that's what it could look like. No, no, we broke up before that. Oh, okay, okay, okay. I told you it took me another two years. Okay, got it, got it. Okay, so this happened in the two years. So after the 10 top incident, you guys were still together for two years?

1:21:06No, no, no, no. I took me another two years to change the way I think about. His mindset for food. Okay, so but how long were you together before you broke up after the 10? Probably a month, two, three months. And what was the straw that broke the camel's back? We would not You know She wanted some penis And? I was like Oh man I gotta go to a show She was out of stock Okay so Out of stock Okay so Here's a woman going Yo let's hook up And you keep avoiding The hooking up Yeah And then how does That situation come to a head Like at the end How does she go It's one of those things So relationships escalates Because They do what?

1:21:41The more intimate Huh? Is this like racial? Racial Yeah We need a dictionary by the way Escalates Relationships If I That's one thing I need Is a Will Silvins dictionary I'm starting to learn that too Of your words Which word Because now we just added a new one Which word do you want Escalate Escalate Escalate Escalate Yeah So they go High Escalate Yeah escalate What does that say Escalate Escalate Which I'm going to use by the way You know me I take all of your words Escalate is not the same thing No What does that mean Escalate Escalate is when Somebody goes on an escalator And then ejaculates That's escalation

1:22:19I thought you were better than that Technically I was on an escalate Wait No escalation So yeah Usually relationships Escalate Because you're doing more things together You're more intimate More kissing More petting More hanging out in parks Or cooking dinners But when that don't happen And it just kind of, it's just like two ships. They just kind of start floating apart. That makes sense? So that's what kind of like. Two ships can fall apart. But they didn't collide like, ah, never again. Okay, got it. They're just like, hey, I'll talk to you later. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like one of those relationships.

1:23:01Okay. Okay, but wait, here's my thing. It's two months almost of no intimacy. She's asking you, you're coming up with excuses. You're doing a gig, you're going away. You don't feel like it, you have a headache. How does that? How does that relationship end? Who says who? There's a woman who says... No one set anyone down is what he's saying. It's not... It just fades away. Yeah, no one set anyone down. So no one... No one calls anyone... There's no conversation. It's like when you start dating, but nothing's... It's a slow fade, Eugene. It's a slow fade. It's like, you know, hey, we'll go out next week, but it's not defined.

1:23:35Next week is not defined. Versus if you wanted to go... Hey, let's go out Tuesday. Or what you doing Wednesday? Versus, all right, I'll see you next week. We'll hang out, go to movies. It's like ghosting in a way, but a ghost end. But there's no ghost end. No, no, no, it's not ghosting. I'm trying to explain. Eugene seems to not be getting this idea. No, no, but what I'm trying to say is if this activity that most people enjoy, men and women enjoy. What's the activity? Sex. Right. If all of a sudden you feel like you don't want to do it with that person, but you don't want to tell them you don't want to do it.

1:24:08It's not that you don't want to do it. What was it? I was too religious. To do it. Yeah, and I didn't have the skill set to tell her that I was into my religion. But you wanted to do it. Yeah. But you didn't want to do it because of your religion. Look, she was one of these, you know how girls go, hey, I just want to hug butt naked and I'm cool with that. All right, cool, let's do that. I'll be down with that. But you didn't know how to - I didn't know how to express - No, I understand. You were dealing with two conflicting issues at the same time. One was your new devotion to religion And then the other one was Religion was since I was born No but if that's the case Your devotion to it was new Yeah that's what I'm saying Your new devotion to religion How you are willing to commit yourself to it Since I was little I got weak Yes I had weak moments So your new devotion That's what I mean still So your religion did not include you having sex with anyone I that's what I'm saying so I'm saying you were you were not supposed to I want to know what changed in life what like I started I started realizing the religion I was followed was all you know wait a religion that tells me I mustn't smash a model

1:25:29some religions don't eat bacon I'm like I've dropped religions for smaller minor Minor inferences. You only eat fish and eat them. Oh, man. You had to break up with that model because of religion, and then you took your while to go. I didn't break up with it. Look, I never had experience with relationships, so I never really had experience. Like, I didn't know what to do. I just never. No one sent you to school. No one tell you what to do. Yeah, no, no, I get it. I get it. It makes sense. It makes sense. In your dad's words, was she a good woman? Yeah, she was. Look, 99 % of the women that come to my life are good women.

1:26:10A lot of women are good women. We just, sometimes people, not just men, people treat a certain person like crap and they become, they can't take it no more and they become whatever they become. Wait, so if 99 % of the women that you - 99 % in my life. Yeah, that you were with were good. So how many of them percentage was I left behind? The what? Like are still in your life. They want to be in my life. They welcome to be in my life. No, no, I'm saying in that percentage of 99 % of women that were in your life were good. How much percent are still in your life now? That's not how life works. People come and go in your life constantly.

1:26:47Like a ship comes and it sails away. People come and go. Not in the Strait of Hummus.

1:26:54You know, so I feel like we don't, you shouldn't hoard friendships like a hoarder. You know what I'm saying? if it's time for the relationship to go then you know it's fine but there's no hard feelings there's no it just yeah it just hey hey okay but I feel like you ever had you ever have a friend that you talk to all the time and then all of a sudden nothing bad happened you start calling Shadow Lester and then now now you don't even think about next you know six months you haven't heard from this person but it's not like wow it just happened naturally it's a time it's a time and a phase in life right yeah everything has a season yeah but that doesn't are happening, things are going.

1:27:34When the person is good or bad, it's just, you know, and you don't try, hey, hey, I didn't hear from you last week. What happened? No, it's just, it's just, you know, people just, life happens. People just live in their life. Wilson Vince, life happens. Don't press anything. We've got more. What now? After this. Law transforms agreement into reality. A word becomes an agreement. An agreement becomes a contract. A contract becomes law. Today, Harvey, the AI platform for legal work, is writing the next chapter. More than 200 ,000 lawyers and 80 % of the AMLA 100 are building with Harvey, accelerating review, sharpening negotiations, and more.

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1:29:29You look like life is good right now. I do? Yeah, man. Should I wear the tank top with that stomach? No, but I'm serious. You look good right now. You've been on the road. What have you been doing? Oh, by the way, when we were talking about... The Lion King? The voice. What voice? Wait, when we were standing there? No, no. Rachel Dolezal. When we were talking... Was it Rachel? Oh, no, when we were talking about the newscast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. hot metal flies you know who's the king of that? who? Michael Jackson what do you mean? Michael Jackson's real voice hey guys the deep one yeah that's not his real voice yeah his real voice yo yo what's going on yo what's up player what's up player yeah did you ever hear his voice so you know where you can hear his real voice?

1:30:18in the video game rock um um the one with with uh you can hear rock my you rock my world yeah that in the beginning when he's doing a sketch with Chris Tucker. if you didn't say the lyrics there, I wouldn't have known what song you were talking about. Why? Will is the... Because he also moved out of sync. If you were on a game show with Will and Will was going to sing a song and then you would have to guess what the song was, you would leave that game show with less money than you came with in life. I have never seen somebody who has a more... Okay, you know this song? I'm going to say, I bet you'll know.

1:30:57Okay let's go. You me needed me. You just an N word on the hit list. Horse and carriage. You me needed me. You just an N word on the hit list. Horse and carriage. Alright let me sing it. You me needed me. You just an N word on the hit list. Horse and carriage. Pruna Mas? Is that how you say it in Julu? Wait, I don't... I lost more money. You, me, needed me. You just got N-word on the hit list. Horses and Karras. You, me, needed me. Tell me when you give up, and then I'll play you the real song. Another N-word on the hit list. Horses and Karras. Horses and Karras. I gave up.

1:32:02You, me. Nah, that's not the same song. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. You, me. You sing that song. You sing that song so far from what it is. That if you released an album, Rihanna wouldn't sue you. She would sue you, yeah. The record label would be like, we have no claims on this man whatsoever. You know what she said, right? That was not the same song. She said, you, me, in this relationship, needed me. Meaning I'm the one that's keeping this relationship alive. You, me, needed me. Using an N word on the hit list. Horse and cabbage. That's what she's saying. Oh, man, Will.

1:32:44Oh, man, you're my hero, Will. Is it because I'm behind the same pitch? Yeah, that's part of it. That's part of it. You get it, right? You, me. No, no, I do get it. I do get it now. Just an end with it on the hit list. No, but... For the carriage. When you... I think Trev put it aptly in that you couldn't be sued. Rihanna couldn't sue you. She has no claim against you. Yeah. Whatsoever. For real. Yeah, you're safe. But it's also quite... Because you... Did you do that intentionally? Do what? I don't think it's possible Yeah Basically he's asking If you jumble the words up And the tone And the We're trying to confuse that Obviously I'm not that good of a singer Right?

1:33:37I'm not that good of a singer What a time to make this confession After all of that But you can catch the word You, me, needed me Using the N word of his list Horse carriage Can I tell you I actually like this song Like I want this song to exist I like the singer That's the song that I want I can do without So my point is My point is We picked our best parts You see what it is with friendship You only take the percentage you want My point is When you gotta talk like this and stuff The king of that was Michael Jackson Right Did you see the Michael movie by the way I told you I haven't You're gonna take all of us Remember you gotta convince us Oh yeah I'll take y 'all I'm coming on Bring your scarf I'm coming time number 7 That's when I'd like to come Time number 7 You said you're gonna watch it Like 10 times I'll watch it 7th time Please I wanna be the 7th time Where did you watch it By the way Caller number 7 I watched it On the east side of Manhattan Yeah And 3rd Avenue Daytime or night time Night time IMAX No I wanna see it on IMAX We should go see it on IMAX Is the acting good Acting is so good Yeah but I've seen reviews That go And he looks like him Doesn't he Can I say something that's not a spoiler?

1:34:52Yeah, go. We know what happens in the story, so I don't think you can spoil the movie. So people are upset that they don't have the accusations in there. Yeah. They forget. The accusations didn't come into the mid-90s. Oh, so the movie doesn't cover - The movie starts when he was a kid and up until early, early, early 90s. In his time. Right? So it's like, it's like no one was - Yeah, they were saying, yeah, he's a little, you know, wacko jack or whatever because of the things he was doing. Yeah. You know, he likes animals. He was doing, you know, going to places in his pajamas. He likes to hang out with kids.

1:35:26But then in the movie, they explain how the whole kid thing happened. And it makes sense. What did they say? Dude, he used to look out the window, watch kids play. Come here, get away from that window. Come here and sing this song. So he wanted to be a kid. He wanted to be a child. And so when he saw some kids, I think at a toy store that wanted autographs, And he was like, he was at a toy store and he was signing all that. He felt like a kid. That makes sense. The mind is so funny, man. So if you were on a jury, that would suffice for you? No, no, no. What suffice for me, three things about that, or four things about that, about why I say he's 100 % innocent.

1:36:11One, nobody, no other kids from around the world. He, Mike, Mike, Mike. No other kids but these two ass, greedy ass kids. Nobody else from around the world. No other kids. If you like what you like, you're going to seek it everywhere you go. That make sense?

1:36:32You needed me. Okay, wait. No, I'm liking this. That's number one. Nobody else. Nobody else. Number two, when you look at the kids, right, one kid, the mother took her son to Walmart and told the kid, go steal something. I'm going to keep the security guard occupied. The kid got caught by another security guard. The mother said, oh, he was sexually harassing me. Walmart had to drop all the charges. You know, when sexual harassment comes in, you got to drop. The other kid, the dad asked Michael for$20 million. I wrote a movie, Mike, give me$20 million so I can make it. Mike said no. A week, two weeks later, Mike touched my kid.

1:37:14What are the chances of that happening? Then there goes the most credible evidence. Two things. One, the legal secretary who was taking notes for the kid, the son, for the kid, the dad, and the lawyer. She said, and she quit. She said they was writing ways on how to get Michael. So you remember the kids said He has a birthmark on his penis I don't remember this But KT He has a birthmark In his private area Right Oh no it's a private area Yeah Now we got the censored version So You know what happened Tell me So Michael used to tell the kids My bedroom is Do not come upstairs in my bedroom Yeah But you know kids don't listen Kids ran up there You're saying he knew that kids don't listen No no no We know kids don't listen Okay okay One of the kids ran up there Yeah Coincidentally saw him Coming out the shower And saw him naked And Michael What are you doing Get out of here Get out of here Kid ran out and told all the other kids So that kid Took that other kid's story And told it as his own So that kid So that's how that kid So that kid that ran in And then was That kid Nothing happened And then that quickly And then like Saw the birthmark That quickly And told all the other kids Damn But that kid I'm going to use that as my story And so they wrote that down So the legal secretary said Wait I thought you had I thought your thing was real and they was no we're gonna come up ways on how to get them so she quit you know what's weird about I'll tell you one thing one thing I'll suggest the next time you tell the story just say you have three ways you know what I mean well you're the other way there's no need for the fourth way no the fourth one you don't even know yeah the fourth one because three we're used to three three is good I have three ways you do the three ways we're with you and if you really want to do four I could give you one like Macaulay Culkin hasn't said anything I got one better than that The one you said of the kid Running into the bedroom I didn't even know this story by the way And when you told me this now I'm a little shaky But if it was a small bedroom I would believe this The last and most credible evidence When the FBI Seize his stuff They found nothing They found nothing These PDF files right they love to put stuff in their computer love to save pictures they found no no pictures of anything so that's why we got no kids that's why nothing happened to them okay so if that was something they would have released they would have released these pictures look at my they would have trust me they would have released these pictures so hold on the whole thing of him being in bed with kids was that true or not yeah but you're thinking the other way no no I'm saying I'm saying no no no he has this huge bed He has kids And they're sleeping They sleep in the bed Okay whoa whoa I don't know if that's true I don't know if that's true Yo Eugene Yo man This guy bro I don't ever want to meet you In court This man I don't know if that's true or not But if it's true If it's true Nothing happened No What I'm saying Okay I was getting to my next part Right Yeah So let's assume That he was not a pervert But he didn't mind Being in bed with kids Would you let your kid Be in bed with him Yeah Okay You Me Needed me The only way That you can sort of say You know a scuba Scuba diving Yeah Yeah Is if he was wearing Like that suit Do you know what I mean Like a full on wetsuit Zipped from top to bottom Do you know what I'm saying But you know what that sound like Sound like someone Who's Who's Who's attracted That they got wet To keep them from You know what I'm saying That's what that sound like So what you're saying Is the real way to show That you're not attracted To them is to lie in bed Naked with them No, no, no.

1:41:00This is what you said, Will. No, no. Damn, the one thing I will say is, I'm going to watch this movie. Yeah, I mean. I'll tell you now. Before I was like, if I go watch the movie, I'll go watch the movie. You, Will Silvins. Wait, can I do something? You know it's a box office smash. Say again? It's a box office smash. Already? The public don't care. The public, it's a huge smash. I'm not saying the public should or shouldn't care. No, can I tell you why? Can I tell you why? I'll tell you why. This is something that I've grappled with for a very long time. I wish in society we spent more time discussing or trying to figure out how we deal with retribution, absolution, and accusations when the systems either don't support us or do support us.

1:41:48Because we live in a world where some people are found innocent of a crime, but then spend the rest of their lives paying for it because they were accused. We live in a world where some people are accused of something. And even though that accusation never materializes into anything else, it could even be a fabrication as an accusation. Their lives will never be the same. They carry that thing with them. Right? They're burdened by it. then we also live in a world where law enforcement has shown that it may not have an appetite to pursue certain individuals because they have so much power and then after like decades someone puts out a documentary and we're like damn this thing and then the person's like yeah but i was not guilty the whole time and you're like oh yeah law found you not guilty but remember the law is really just about finding the right person to find the right argument that means you cannot be prosecuted but it doesn't or or indicted but it doesn't necessarily mean that you are innocent of of the crime of the crime so so it's this weird world that we live in where some people's lives are ruined because of an accusation other people's lives are not impaired because of uh uh you know them being let off for some reason or they found not guilty or whatever it might be and some people's lives are ruined because of lack of prosecution yes and so it's And I mean this honestly.

1:43:12I don't think there's one fixed one. But I wish we spent more time talking about that in society. Because otherwise, it just becomes this messy... You know, well, I don't think the Michael one is messy at this particular moment in time. What are you talking about, Willis? Because what I'm saying at this particular moment in time, people are so... Think of them releasing this movie. Yes. at another time we're like more the world is so crazy now that we're like this thing that Michael did no I don't agree I don't agree no I actually just think I was saying it in a joke you have oh damn you said it completely seriously I was saying it

1:44:00no actually I was saying it in a in jest because half is real, half is not real. This is the half that is real. Yeah. Is that the world is so crazy now that my little, it's so crazy. There's a war, there's nuclear. I'm with you. There's all these, there's islands, there's all this that I, if it was just the Michael thing alone, we'd be like, oh. But now it's so crazy that it's like, guys, if I like him, well, I don't care. But you see, I actually think it's more the latter. I don't think it's that the world is so crazy. I think now we live in such silos of everything that now everyone just goes into that camp.

1:44:48And then like we, in a weird way, it's like we don't grapple anymore. Because we sort of don't have to grapple. Right? Your social media doesn't make you grapple. What it does is it puts you with people who agree with you. And it shows you the people that you definitely disagree with. It's easy to move on your social media If you actually think about it This video makes you angry I knew they were doing that This video makes you happy Yeah, my team Those are easy things Echo chambers Yeah, but even one is not an Yeah, I mean an antagonistic echo chamber And then I guess one that's in sync with you But the thing that we forget is The heart isn't going against or for It's the grappling One of the hardest things in life is to grapple Is the girl who told me this thing A kind person who did a mean thing Or is she a mean person Who did a kind thing Who did a kind thing Or is this a kind thing at all Is it a mean thing at all You know what I mean Is me having sex with somebody But not intending a long term relationship Is that a mean thing Or is that human nature as well Is it bad, is it good Should I eat some cake and no cake Or should I eat a little bit Or should I not Do you get what I'm saying Grappling is one of the hardest things And I genuinely think Grappling is the thing that we don't practice at all anymore We just don't practice it at all So the reason I'm saying The Michael thing sort of is like just going Like they can release the movie Is because there's enough people who will just go Hey bro, I'm not grappling at all Michael's 100 % in it, I don't give a damn And I'm gonna go watch this movie And then to your point, even in the movie they don't make you grapple So you come in there And then you're like ah I had a great time thank you very much yeah we're not gonna reach those accusations you didn't make me grapple yeah so I leave this movie and then there's a ton of people who are like I can't believe this movie is out there how could they you know how could they exalt Michael Jackson after all the shit that he's done this is a travesty they'll never go watch the movie but they too will not grapple but they but they voted for Trump no not necessarily but you find they won't grapple you know what I mean but they just won't grapple I find and so I think I actually think this is just my assertion but I actually think that's the reason that they can release it is because the grappling is actually a thing that makes it hard to put something like that out.

1:47:10Oh yes, for sure. It's when people go I don't know how to feel. If people hate something or if people love something it's actually quite easy to make it a success. Yeah. Okay, what about this? You know what I mean? Like in wrestling is a good example. In wrestling you have the wrestlers that people hate they heal. The heel. And then you have the wrestlers that people love. No one cares about those arms. They care about the heel. No, but what I'm saying is people love, you love The Rock when he's the hero. You hate The Rock when he's the heel. You love John Cena when he's the hero. You hate John Cena when he's the heel.

1:47:45Okay, here's the question. No, but listen to what I'm saying. What I'm saying is what they won't tolerate in wrestling is like... Indifference. Yeah, no, the guys where you're like, I don't know how I feel about him. I'm like, I don't... It has to be extremes. Yeah, because that's an easier thing. Boo. Yeah. But that one confuses us. Yeah. We don't know what to do. We don't know how to deal with it. And the most important thing I'm saying is we don't practice it. So we cut off friends who, you know, yeah, I found out that they actually like leather goods. They're out of my life. Why? No, because I can't be with somebody who wears a dead animal on them.

1:48:27Okay, so they're out of your life. What about you? Yeah, no, this person, you know, they don't pray anymore before they eat their food. They're out of my life. Then it's like, okay, but do you grapple? Okay, I get your grappling. Let me just say, okay, let me restage what I said. If we rewind six years ago or so, the climate that was, remember, there was a different climate. Yes. Let's say when, I don't want to phrase them that way, but when wokeness was heavy. Okay, yes. a movie like this is the antithesis of the climate in which we live. That's exactly what I'm agreeing with. Then what happened was people said, that's over.

1:49:06People have just decided it's over. Now, a person who you truly love, Michael Jackson, because a lot of people love him because he was part of their life, you know, that kind of thing in terms of growing up. There's a movie about him. Previously, in that time, your grappling thing, you might have been, man, I love him so much, but now when people have said, yeah, guys, You do you. People are like, let's make it a box office match. That's exactly what I mean. They're like, this is not the time to tell me to not. That's exactly what I'm saying. Not now. Yes, because we just, but release this five years before.

1:49:37It's going to flop because people will be like. Yes, but that's exactly what I'm saying. And that's what I'm saying. That is one of the worst things that can happen for people because it means a Trump voter cannot grapple with the fact that his family is using the administration to enrich him. Because in South Africa, we're comfortable with that. We'd be like, oh, that's corruption. We know it very clearly. We see what you're doing. In Africa, we're like, yeah, we know this. Oh, yeah. And then your kids make billions. And oh, yeah, you've got contracts coming. Oh, yeah, yeah. This is corruption.

1:50:07And you would even be able to say, it is corruption, but I still like some of your policies. You get what I'm saying? I just don't like you stealing. Yeah, but I just don't like you stealing. Or I even just acknowledge that you're stealing. Or you still steal some for us. Yeah but I'm saying But what I To your point This is what I'm saying Dave Is the grappling Is the thing that we're losing And if you can't grapple It just pushes people And then almost nobody deals with a reality That's inconvenient for them Yeah and I feel like in the Michael Jackson story He could have been two things at the same time He could have been this great performer That everyone loved But he could have had that dark side That only those kids experienced And everyone else Because obviously The number of people that love him were far more and greater than the number of people that accused him.

1:50:54And we also don't know to what degree. That's the thing. That's what I mean by grappling. So Michael Jackson could have been, again, I'm not saying this is or isn't, but he could have been a person where he liked that a kid would occasionally walk in on him naked because we also know people do this. Do you know what I mean? To your point of like years ago when Me Too was happening, how many of the stories were, oh, the guy would be in a bathrobe when the housekeeping in the hotel would walk in And you're like, oh, so this is a fetish some people have is being busted, you know? So that could have been a thing.

1:51:25I'm not saying that it is. I'm not saying that it isn't. But I personally am saying for myself, I think it's more important to be grappling with that. Like, I love those movies. You know, it's like a biopic where you go, how do you feel after the movie? And you're like, I don't know, man. I mean, I still think they're one of the greatest artists and I love it. But there's one part of the story that, you know, just made me feel like a certain... You know why? Because to be human is to grapple, Will. I think it would have been more powerful to show the audiences and people that loved him the scenario that he was in and let them decide.

1:52:01Yes. No, no, but another thing about that, that part of his life did not happen yet. No, no, I'm saying that they could have. No, they could have if they wanted to. You're making it seem like the movie ended because they had to there. They chose whatever they wanted to put on. But there's a part two. No, no, wait, we're saying here now. We're not in part two yet. so I'm saying yeah I'm telling you there's a part 2 no 100 % part 2's coming out yeah you 100 % sure about this no because hold on the director said if part 1 does not do well he's not gonna release part 2 he said there's so much about Michael he can't put all in one movie no no no then we're gonna it's almost like saying we'll table this it's almost like saying yo Eugene yo man you you failed that that math test in college and he's like well I'm still talking about me in high school okay okay no then we table it so it's like we didn't get there yet but Will if this sequel doesn't come out You, me Can I do something with y 'all real quick?

1:52:54Yeah, do it What you got So, you know how people always compare Michael Hey, who's better? Michael or Prince? Or Michael or Elvis? Yeah The only person I feel that you can compare yourself with is yourself Right? Because it's not fair to you Or it's not fair to the other person Everybody had their own path And got to where they are You know, the him asking me How do you get that urge to lose? I can't tell Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah. So I came up with a list of songs of Michael's, like, which is better? You guys on first name basis now. That's the name of the movie, Michael. Oh, sorry. She's Out of My Life or Lady of My Life.

1:53:32You know both songs? Oh, you want us to choose? Lady of My Life. She's Out of My Life. Why? I mean, I like girls. She's Out of My Life. Why? Because he cried when he was recording it. I like that one too. So she's out of my life. Quincy Jones had it, right? And Michael said, what's that? And Quincy Jones said, oh no. Whose phone is ringing? That's me. Michael goes, Quincy Jones said, oh no, I'm going to give that to Lana Ritchie. And Michael goes, can I? And he sang it in the office and he was crying. And Quincy was like, I got to get this song to Michael. like he was performing it and crying I don't know the song but anyway okay bad or beat it

1:54:22beat it beat it beat it yeah beat it why because that's what you did after you decided you're gonna I knew you were gonna say that I knew you were gonna say that oh man oh okay okay so you said bad you said beat it yeah we all said beat it yeah beat it was pretty uh smooth criminal you like smooth criminal no ask the next ask the second song yeah or Billie Jean smooth criminal

1:54:56smooth criminal over Billie Jean Dave Billie Jean but but I will say this brilliant uh match up that's a great match up brilliant match up that's fire like I can't I can't say no to your I can't just say yeah no that's fantastic I can't just dismiss Smooth Criminal you did well then okay okay okay um black or this is gonna be easy this is a bad matchup black or white or man in the mirror ah man in the mirror that's a terrible one delete that and start again dangerous or dirty Diana dirty Diana dirty Diana yeah um um uh this is also bad let me skip that one what was it let's judge you okay remember the time of Liberian Girl Liberian Girl That's not the worst.

1:55:40Liberian Girl? That's not the worst matchup, by the way. It's not a bad matchup at all. I actually don't think that's a bad matchup. You guys picked Liberian Girl for Remember the Time? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, no, no. Okay. Earth Song or Heal the World? Heal the World. Heal the World. Now you're, that was, Heal the World is better than Earth Song. They're not good match. I mean, thematically, but strength-wise, no. The Way You Make Me Feel or PYT? PYT. The way you make me feel Any day PYT is a brilliant song And PYT is better But the way you make me feel Did not deserve to be not a winner If like But PYT yes One more Damn that's hard This is a good match up Alright we're gonna come back No no no I'll go with I'll go with the way you make me feel Okay Don't stop till you get enough?

1:56:39Yeah. Or wannabe start and start? Brilliant matchup. I want to be starting something. I would... No, don't stop till you get enough for me. Mama say, mama say, mama say, mama say. Mama say, mama say. You know what? Should I tell you a funny thing about that? You're going to get a suit. About that, Will. You're going to get a suit, just so you know. Will, I sing all the songs. Wannabe starting something is continuing the thing that don't stop till we get enough. The hard work don't stop till we get enough. Do you remember how don't start to get enough starts? The hard work of don't stop. Don't stop.

1:57:08He's mumbling. Whoa! Don't stop till you get enough is better. Don't stop till you get enough is better. Don't stop till you get enough is better. Okay. Human nature or rock with you? Human nature. Human nature. What? I rock with you. I have a first one. Okay, now we're gonna switch it to young Michael. Whoa, there's more albums. No, Will. Let's end this podcast. Okay. This just turned into like a musical. How many more did you have? This guy had three albums. No, four more songs. You had four more. Four more songs or four more albums? All right, four more songs. All right, four more songs. Let's go.

1:57:40Got to be there or never can say goodbye? Got to be there, be there. I know. I mean never can say goodbye. Only because I'm more familiar with it. I don't know either one. A, B, C or I want you back? I want you back. Hard, hard. I want you back. But again, good matchup. But wow. Two more. Who's loving you now Who's loving you Or Never Could Say Goodbye Who's loving you Who's loving you I absolutely love Who's loving you Yeah You can smell Smokey Robinson On that song Yeah Okay last one Rockin' Robin Or Ben Cause they're about Animals Ben I don't know either one I'll choose.

1:58:29Both are odd songs to me, I will say, even though people, you know, Ben is a, when they say he's singing to a mouse or whatever it is, you know what I mean? It's an odd thing. It's a rat, first of all. A rat, whatever it is. Yeah, it's like worse. Okay, Ben, yeah. All rats got a guy. Those are odd songs to me. Must have splintered. This was dope, man. All right, thanks, man. Thanks for having me back. Who canceled? Who canceled? This guy, nobody canceled, man. Yo Leave that low self-esteem Outside We put a mirror behind you So you can see Who you really is man Look at the back there Look behind you You see who you are You're our friend Nobody cancelled It was dope Will Thank you man Thank you Thanks for having me This was really great And I guess Go watch the movie Yeah This was a great promo I'm in What Now with Trevor Noah Is produced by Day Zero Productions In partnership with Sirius XM The show is executive Produced by Trevor Noah Sanaz Yamin and Jess Hackle.

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