Logan Paul

24:11And it was something that I was naturally kind of good at and was better than 95 % of the kids. So I kind of found something that I was like, oh, shit. Oh, I'm not bad at this. And then I kept wrestling and I was like, oh, man.

24:28Steph McMahon:And were you always a little bigger? No, no. My friends actually called me shrimp. Really? I was the shortest, smallest one of the group. When was your growth spurt? I was 17. I was a junior in high school. Wow. Late. Very late. Yeah, I was a late bloomer. Jake's growth spurt wasn't until he was like 22. I'm not kidding, dude. Look up pictures of Jake as like a 20, 21-year-old. He is a tiny, tiny person. Really? Now he's a big boy. Yeah. Thick. Yeah. Two Cs. but so here you are on the wrestling team yeah and and doing well and you did wrestling and football yeah which is very challenging yeah i played both ways like steph i really do it all i'm not i'm not just saying that and no no i'm aware the people the people who like are like oh like how dare you talk smack to tom brady and then like i beat him Well I loved your apology I loved your apology Well I'm sorry Jalen Hurst That must be fucking embarrassing Yeah I mean and you're afraid that you're going to impact his future contract negotiations Which makes me an empath That was You also are an empath I mean Is there anything you're not So I do want to Ask you about A particular time In your life and no one's path is perfectly linear.

25:56Steph McMahon:One of the things we always talk about on this show is what are your lessons? What are your biggest lessons that you've learned? Because we all make mistakes. Even the great Logan Paul at some point in time has made mistakes, right? Especially, especially. So here you are on the rise. And actually maybe we should start with the rise, right? When did you really – you started with Vine, right? No, you want to get to Japan. I do want to get there. Let's go. I want to get there. Let's go. Okay, we can go right there. Nah, because the rise is whatever. Did some vines, made some viral videos, got a lot of followers.

26:27Steph McMahon:Well, I mean, it's pretty whatever, like, hugely successful. It worked. Yeah. But you know what else it did? Okay. It altered my priorities. It made me someone that I didn't want to be. How so? I developed this era of invincibility. I thought I was unstoppable. Because everything you did was so well-received? Well-received, turned to gold, millions of people validating you every single day, whether your behavior is right or wrong. It's just I think this Internet life can really skew your values. And my values got skewed as a 21-year-old. It's so young to be so successful. There's a lot of parallels to people in Hollywood and everything else, right?

27:18Steph McMahon:It's when you're, all you hear is, you know, you have the people who are just putting you over all the time saying how great you are. How do you not believe it at 21 years old? Especially with no guardrails in place. Right. I didn't have a babysitter. I didn't have like a team, a review team who would like check my behavior. And that team's not going to check you anyway because they're all making money off you. That's the other thing. So they're encouraging you. That's the other thing, Steph. It's like as a 21-year-old, I didn't have the wherewithal to realize that having the yes men around me would actually ultimately hurt me so much worse because that validation, there's no room for criticism because if I got criticized by someone internally, it's like, wait, you don't believe in me?

28:02Get out of here. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah. I didn't foster that environment, and that's a mistake. That's a huge mistake. That's really interesting. Like if you do not fucking yes, men, me, if, if anything, like tell me no, but also don't be a dickhead about it. Right. And tell me nicely.

28:20Steph McMahon:Don't always tell me it's a great idea, but, but yeah, whatever it is. But like, I also don't need the naysayers. Right. But like, I do want to hear it. Yeah. I do want to hear like, like, yes. Yeah. Bingo. Yeah. And so, yeah, at that point in my life, uh, pre Japan, I was, I was really just chasing attention that was anything and everything didn't matter what what is the next craziest thing I can do to get to get attention and then uh wrong place wrong time in Japan didn't turn the cameras off made a huge error but so what made you go to Japan uh I had always wanted to go to Tokyo so it was just like a whim kind of thing yeah yeah yeah so we would travel for vlogs and because you were now vlogging yeah we were i was vlogging at the time which is another absolute beast of an endeavor to shoot 10 to 20 minutes of cut down edited footage every single day you can't you don't have time to think about what like literally what you're doing it's like live the day edit the video it goes up the next day and so you were you were putting content out daily every single day for how long 460 days wow a full tv show every day we shoot 12 hours a day maybe more that's crazy every single day but you loved it i thought i did i thought i did you loved the attention i love the attention yeah that's what i loved yeah it was definitely fun it had its moments but it was a vehicle to feed the worst parts of who I was becoming and well I mean you can go back and psychoanalyze everything right so it's like if you feel for some reason growing up that you don't not that you feel this way but you don't get the attention that that you want from the people you love the most for whatever reason, that you seek it.

30:24Steph McMahon:And attention can feel so good, right? And I think you can mistake it for love and holes that might have felt like were there. So it's a very normal, natural thing, you know, to seek it. It doesn't make you a bad person or that it was a bad side of you. It was just a side of you that needed something. Yeah, it's always crazy because it's a little hard to sit here and, like, rationalize some of the decisions. And, like, we can try, and I've certainly tried. It's not rationalizing the decisions. It's just the why. Yeah. You know, the why, the attention, regardless of the decisions that went into that.

31:09I don't fully know why. I mean, I've tried to unpack it. It's not like I had, like, self-esteem issues or anything. I think maybe I just wanted to, like, prove to people and myself that I was a certain person. Sure. I don't know. I don't even know.

31:28Steph McMahon:Yeah. But it doesn't make you a bad person. But so what happened? Yeah, well. So you guys, you take a trip. Yeah, we took a trip. We wanted to shoot a video. I mean, everyone knows this story. I want to give you like broad strokes because I actually. Only what you're comfortable with. Yeah, I mean, everyone knows.

31:49It even obviously makes me a little uncomfortable.

31:52Steph McMahon:Yeah, so you don't have to talk about specifically what happened. What happened after? There was a righteous fallout. And God was just. and I basically lost everything that I'd spent the last 11 years building.

32:19And I deserved it. And I think people see two sides of this. There are people who are like, yeah, that was fucked up. Can't believe you did that. There are people who are like, people overreacted. I'm actually, I agree with the former. I think it was a mistake. I think it didn't need to happen. That said, I am grateful that I took that opportunity to backtrack, really look myself in the mirror, and ask myself how and why that happened. How did I get here? Where could I have possibly went wrong in my life where I thought that was a good idea? And asking myself those questions and doing my best to be honest with the answers led me down a separate path that has ultimately led me to become someone who I can say I'm really proud of and I'm really happy with.

33:25but it's because I was willing to really become a better person or at least do my absolute best to try to become a better person. And I understood that forgiveness was not a given, but I did ask to earn just the chance to be forgiven. Just open your mind. Give me a chance. Let me try to show the world and show people like the best version of myself. And for me, I started experimenting with a bunch of different things to try to find myself or at least like who I wanted to be. I went vegan for a little bit. I know it sounds silly, but like I thought there was like an empathy thing maybe tied into like animals and like the food you consume.

34:21and maybe it alters the way you think. I started skydiving, so I was like, I'm going to put myself in positions where, like, you know, life or death decisions are made on a whim. I let myself fall in love for, like, the first real time in my life, and I thought maybe that could teach me some things about life. And then I started boxing because combat sports have an interesting way of allowing you to fight as hard as you possibly want, but you're still going to get the fucking shit kicked out of you every day. And you have to show up the next day and the next day and the next day if you want to get better.

35:00And so boxing for me was a way to kind of reground myself, humble myself, and once again become a likable human being or at least a human being that could like themselves again. Right. Because I told you, we vlogged for 460 days straight. I took that month off after YouTube blacklisted me and basically went from being the golden boy to the most disgraced YouTuber in history. And I realized I don't know who I am. And so even when I came back, I was still just pretending. I was still and then I tried to be the villain and I was like that's not me either like who the fuck am I who am I so how do you figure out who you are for me I just did a lot of stuff I did a lot of stuff I grew up I was willing to learn from my mistakes and after dedicating myself to boxing I realized okay I think I think I think I'm on the I don't maybe know who I am just yet but I am on the right path

36:10Steph McMahon:I think people are always trying to figure out who they are and like what is my identity right I hear that so often and you went through it so publicly and that's so hard and you were so young it's both a blessing and a curse though sure because also like you sleep in the bed that you make sure you know and and the the blessing is that I am being critiqued and judged rightfully by millions of people. And so with that, I was able to mold my betterment in a, in a really fitting way. The, uh, or that's, that's, yeah, maybe that is the blessing and the curse, but also it's like, it's all out there, right?

36:59You You know, like this is, I mean, there's no skeletons in the closet. This is, judge me at my worst. And that's fair because that's the bed that I made.

37:11Steph McMahon:Yeah, but we all make mistakes, right? And some people hit rock bottom in a different way. Some people are using drugs or, you know, different things. And they do unspeakable things they would never imagine they were capable of doing. I mean, horrific things. and we are all human we are all capable of doing that right so it's the fact that you had the opportunity to or not even the opportunity the fact that you embraced what happened and turned yourself into the best version of yourself right and you and we are all always trying to be the best versions of ourselves every day right if if that's the path that we're on you're never ultimately going to, you know, you're always chasing, right?

37:59Steph McMahon:Always trying to be the best person, but you have rebuilt your career into something I think you're very proud of. I'm very proud of where I am. Yeah. And you should be. Thank you. But I also... And you're a person who fell in love and has an amazing wife and a beautiful baby girl. Thank you. right and I'm sure you couldn't have imagined yourself in that position no no I definitely thought it was impossible but beyond even the the the personal um outcome of it all I have to say and I don't think I talk about this enough I'm really proud of how we were able to funnel all that negative attention from the Japan incident into positive anti-suicide PSA messaging.

38:54I have the most viewed anti-suicide video in history. It's called Suicide Be Here Tomorrow. I profiled a guy named Kevin Hines, who's a dear friend of mine at this point, who jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge and survived. You've heard his story. He's an incredible orator he travels the world speaking about um uh self-love and positivity and his story is so interesting because and i don't want to butcher this i'll do my best but he said the moment that his legs went over the railing like the instant his legs went over the railing he regretted it which is interesting because without getting too into the weeds and i hope this comes across it that methodology allows a person to have that time for regret yeah and so kevin is now able to share that experience with people who are feeling self-doubt or who are need to who or who need to hear that um loving thyself is is possible and there are people out there who can help you get through the thing and so i got to highlight and profile this amazing individual with this amazing message in a way where we have one of the most impactful anti-suicide videos in history.

40:08And then Kevin has gone on to, like I said, just be so impactful with his message, including he's making a film at the moment about how after decades of trying to convince the San Francisco government to do this, they finally put a net under the bridge. They finally put a net under the bridge via legislature and however they got it done, they got it done. And so now like you know hundreds of people are not dying at the hand of the Golden Gate Bridge and and and like I I am able to um empower Kevin I uh I I and amplify and and and amplify it and so I thought I like I have to say I am proud of that you should be I'm proud of that I I was able to I think make the best of a not so great of a horrible situation yeah and that speaks volumes to who

41:04Steph McMahon:you are it really does thanks was um faith a part of your journey at all it is for some it isn't for others it's interesting you ask that it has not until recently huh in fact i i

41:22have gone pretty viral in the past for sort of mocking faith and religion and it's so crazy because after i did that i like felt the wrath of god literally like like after i publicly like mocked faith God punished me and it wasn't like an immediate switch up like oh I believe now please like leave me alone no hell no my ego was like nah I'm not like this is just coincidence this is like whatever but years later I noticed when I started opening my heart up to God so when I pray I say dear God creator universe Jesus a deity of sorts It's got to be one of those, if not all of them. Just name them all.

42:11I feel like I checked the box. Well, because, Steph, I've always had a semi-difficult time subscribing to a religion. Sure. Like, I guess—

42:21Steph McMahon:You believe certain pieces of different religions or— They all have, like, merit in their own way. Sure. Like, some of them—and the message sort of is, like, the same, generally. Right. Be a good person. I love the forgiveness aspect of Christianity. I think it is such a powerful thing to do to be able to forgive people and forgive yourself. Yeah. And I. I think that's the key. Yeah. Like my faith journey started with one simple question. It was what would Jesus do? And in this particular situation that I was in. My answer was he would forgive and I employed it and it worked. And I started opening my heart up to God and I started praying regularly and just being grateful for my life.

43:17And now faith plays a huge, a huge part of my life and my conversations with God are very important to me. That's beautiful.

43:24Steph McMahon:When you think about that, is it so much that you want the millions of people in the audience to influence your behavior when you say I needed them to forgive me? I needed, you know, all of that. Ultimately, do you really need them or do you really need God and yourself? Yeah, no, I... Or your family or however you look at it. Yeah, I mean, now it's just like it's my family. Yeah. Again, the values change. The early 20s, it's me, me, me, me, me. Now it's daughter, wife, me. Family, family, family. Like, you know, like the daughter and wife are basically the same. Like they're the first rung on the ladder of priority for me.

44:24But the validation has become way less about what the audience thinks of me, which, by the way, is why I'm fantastic at my job. Because I don't give a fuck.

44:36Steph McMahon:Yes. I truly don't. It's great. Well, when I first got here, Steph, I got to tell you what. the WWE fans booed me. And I was pissed. But it was great. Well, that's what Bruce Prichard came backstage and told me. I was like, oh my God, he's just a natural. I didn't realize that was the currency. Yeah, no. No. It was just right there. I mean, the way they took to you. Yes, they booed you, but they took to you. They cared enough to boo. Yeah, I know. Well, I didn't know that was the power. Yeah. Bruce came back. He was like, that was great. I'm like, what do you mean that was great? Everyone boo me I was pissed That made them boo even more My mom Hi mom I'm doing a podcast With Step McMahon Hi My sweet sweet mother

45:33Best selling author right there That's my sweet sweet mom The most stable part of this family Hoorah moms usually are yeah yeah no I was pissed I was like Bruce do they not understand I will get out of that ring and beat the shit out of all of them and he's like what are you talking about bro it's awesome and then I realized like oh that's my power that's my power

46:00Steph McMahon:yes it's a real power so take me through your WWE journey now so you finally you know you get to this place right and you're in WWE and the audience is booing you and you don't get it, when do you get it? Because I said from the first second I saw you out there, I said to Kristen, I want to talk to him. I want to talk to him about how to enjoy that and how to work for it and how it is a good thing and how to lean into it. It's way easier said than done. It is, especially if you have no idea about our business. No, for sure. Yeah, for sure. You have no clue. You come in, you get booed. You're like unexpectedly.

46:43Steph McMahon:Yeah. And someone's telling you it's a good thing. You're like, I don't get that. It doesn't feel like a good thing. Right. And you know what else is crazy? If I'll go to other venues outside of WWE, a basketball, a Knicks game, whatever. I just like a high school. Yeah. Well, high school's different. High school, high school, high school's different. If I go to like a place where there's like adults. Right. And they'll put me on the Jumbotron, the stadium will boo. It's great. Well, outside of the WWE is actually a different beast. Oh, I don't know. Because those are real boos. Those are real boos.

47:17Let's be honest. The WWE fans, I noticed this is so funny. Most of them, cursing at me, going crazy. But the closer I get to them, the boos get a little quieter. And then they kind of stop. And then I'm in their face like, bro, can you stop my thing? What are you doing? You're pretending.

47:36Steph McMahon:But would you rather have them cheer when you're at a PAX stadium? No, no, no, no. I don't care now. No, okay. No, no, no. I mean, outside of WWE, you were saying it's different. Hell no. So do you enjoy the booze now? I feel weird when people cheer. Yeah, I get that. I actually get that. I really do. What an unrelatable thing to feel. Yeah, they cheer. I'm like. Yeah, I'm always awkward. It throws me off my game when they cheer. This ain't the gimmick, bro. Yeah. That's not what we're supposed to do, bro. He said, let me turn you quickly. Yeah. And by the way, I can. I can. I'll get him there.

48:12Yeah. So I think the moment where I realized how awesome it was to pour salt in the wound and be the bad guy actually happened during my first WrestleMania. Okay. I got up on the ropes, the very top, for the first time in my career. And it was a bucket list item to jump off the top rope in WWE. What a crazy bucket list item. Before I even knew I was going to do WWE, I was like, this would be fun. And I get up on the top rope and I do the Eddie Guerrero shimmy.

48:50Steph McMahon:Right? I do this little face and I do this. and the crowd goes crazy. Of course. Booing the shit out of me. Who's this imitator? Bingo. Frog splash, Eddie Guerrero splash. And in that moment, I watched it back. I went, oh my God, this moment right here. They went crazy. Just a little moment. They went crazy. And then I watched it back and that was the highlight that everyone watched after the fact. me frog splashing on Ray Mysterio after doing an Eddie Guerrero shimmy in a mocking disrespectful way. Of course. Oh, I get it. I get this. Yeah. And then also you guys just pay me so much for being bad.

49:34I was like, this has got to be working. Let me just be worse.

49:38Steph McMahon:Do we have a chair for Logan's mom? I feel bad she's just standing back there. Okay, okay, okay. She's active. She's active.

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51:14Steph McMahon:The inaugural winner, Tom Brady, as well as reigning fan champion Matt Denish will be back. WWE superstars Rhea Ripley, Liv Morgan, Cody Rhodes, and Jay Uso will also be joining the competition for a shot at the title. Head to FanaticsFest.com to apply to compete or grab Grab your tickets to Fanatics Fest. You don't want to miss out. Was your mom a great mom? Fantastic. Best mom you could ever ask for. I'm not sure she knew exactly what was going on at all times. Like we imagine. So tell me like one of the stunts. Did she ever like walk in on you guys doing one of these crazy stunts in your basement?

51:54Yeah, all the time. But the best thing she did as a mother was be like, yeah, go for it. Go be kids. You want to post a video online? That's fine. Don't show the address. Maybe don't put your last name out there, but yeah, go for it. A lot of parents, I feel like, parent in a way that isn't conducive to who the child is. They're parenting in restrictive ways that fulfill them instead of letting your kid just be themselves. Every kid has innate interests. I think that kernel of what you're observing in your child is so fucking valuable. If there's one piece of information that any parent takes from this podcast, it's watch what your kid is inherently attracted to doing.

52:48There's so much value in that because odds are, I bet you, if you water that seed, you're going to grow a fucking redwood. Redwood because they can figure out how to make it work and hopefully one day do what they love to do. That's part of the reason why I'm so blessed to say I feel deeply fulfilled, deeply fulfilled with my life. That's a gift. It's a gift. It's such a blessing. But it's because I get to do what I love.

53:19Steph McMahon:Yeah. And if you look back, we've even kind of talked about it just on this podcast. Stunts, wrestling, hard work, making videos Like all of this started as a kid And it's the same thing I'm doing now And it led you So when you say you're doing what you love Is that WWE? It's one of the things, yes Is that being an entrepreneur? Because you're also an incredibly successful businessman And I do want to learn more about Rip It Yeah, my collecting Yes So I'd say the two things at the moment That I'm most passionate about our number one WWE just because it encompasses everything that I'm interested in.

54:01And you can be whoever you want to be. Yeah. It's deeply fulfilling. Yeah.

54:06Steph McMahon:And I'm not sure the audience, I mean, I hope they know and understand, but you didn't have to and you asked to become a full-time WWE superstar. You have doubled down and committed everything towards being the biggest success you can possibly be here. Yeah. And that's huge for our audience because you're committing to them. And that's the difference. And that's what people don't necessarily get. But you're committing to them when you commit to this business. And I just want to make sure that people know that about you. Thanks. They're still going to boo me, Steph. Well, you want them to. You want them to boo you.

54:48Steph McMahon:Yes, please. The worst is nothing. Have you ever heard crickets? Yeah, that's not good. Yeah, no. We don't like crickets. Yeah. When they put your face up in the Jumbotron and nobody does anything, that's the worst. Very bad. If they boo, it's great. It's great. Way better than cheering. Yeah. Because then how do you keep them cheering? You do one thing, they like it. Not interested. No, no. Not my thing. It's not. So what other parenting advice? Oh, I'm sorry. So you were talking about the things that you love. WWE is one of them. Yeah, WWE is number one. I am obsessed with collecting, which, by the way, guess what I did as a kid?

55:32I collected. Mom, do you remember what I collected as a kid? Yeah, Pokemon cards. Pokemon cards, rocks, big rock collecting. I didn't collect flowers. Sorry. Just took pictures of them. Rocks, coins. Like, I collected stuff that I thought was cool. Wow. Now I'm an adult. I'm doing the same thing.

55:51Steph McMahon:So can you explain it to me? Because I don't get the collecting business at all. I get the wrestling business. So teach me about Rip It and Pokemon. And you just sold a card for$16 million? $16.5. $16.5 million. Pokemon. Oh, yeah. I saw a very cute video. Most expensive trading card of all time. Yes. Which is huge. It's the biggest. And I saw you wearing the card that you sold, I believe. I wore it out to WrestleMania. Yes. Which, by the way, is part of the reason why it's so valuable. It's my WrestleMania debut. This is funny. Wow, this is so fascinating. It is the most expensive WWE memorabilia of all time as well.

56:31Because technically I wore it out to my WrestleMania debut.

56:34Steph McMahon:Wow. Yeah, it shattered all the records. It was success through and through. But you figured out how to make it profitable, collecting. Yeah, yes. I always say this, there's a trifecta for me, business, passion, content. If I can do those three things, I am in my pocket. That is where I perform the best. I can do that with WWE. I can do it with collecting. Because I found that at heart I am a storyteller, and I have a unique ability to tell really compelling, deserving stories of these artifacts from some of the most successful IP in history. Pokemon being my ultimate collecting passion. I understand people don't get it.

57:24I would say, let's start here. Why is a Pokemon card valuable? It's a piece of cardboard at the end of the day, right? Okay, why is money valuable? It's a piece of paper. Why is gold valuable? It's just metal. It's a value people assign to it. Bingo. It's assigned value. Pokemon has 30 years now of goodwill and emotional equity that its fans have and they've structured the business in a way with scarcity, rarity, intrinsic value and skill sets in Pokemon. and collecting Pokemon specifically has an interesting way to ignite a sense of nostalgia for a lot of people who grew up with this game that meant so much to them.

58:16At the end of the day, Pokemon is a franchise, in my opinion, about kinship and going on a journey with your companions and your friends. Who doesn't like going on adventures with your pets who battle on behalf of you? That's fucking awesome. Yeah. That's awesome. I had logged so many hours into this game, so much so that when I was 22, I decided to get a tattoo of a Squirtle. Yeah, it's a Pokemon. My one tattoo is a Pokemon. Just because it was the only thing in my life that meant so much to me that I was willing to emblazon it on my body. Wow. Then one day I heard about the cards. This was years later.

58:54Maybe a year later. I heard about trading cards. Gary Vee was like, you got to look into Pokemon. I was like, I actually love Pokemon. on let me let me see what this is about and i called my financial advisor i said how much money do i have sitting in there getting five percent a year he said you got about a million dollars i said give me all of it he's like what what do you mean this is like your backup i said give me all of it bro and i had to convince this guy to give me my money he's like what are you going to spend it on i said pokemon boxes he's like no you're not cardboard yeah of course they all said no of course yeah no no you're not and i was like dog it's my money give me the give me my fucking

59:41Steph McMahon:money right just give me my money what am i paying with true the money bought first edition steel boxes first charge i was going crazy but making content around all of it yeah because that makes it more valuable. That's not why. No. No. No. In fact, that screwed me. Really? Because after I made the concept, it all went up in value, but I wanted more stuff. I wanted to buy more stuff, but it was now realizing, in my opinion, it's true value. It was double or triple what it originally was, because I have this ability, like I said, to spotlight and tell a story around these collecting pieces of history that are some of the most significant items of the most valuable and profitable IP in history.

1:00:25Pokemon's the number one grossing franchise in the world by a mile. It's not like an accident. People love Pokemon.

1:00:32Steph McMahon:Yeah, but you described why. Because it's more than just a game or a figure or a card. It's because of what it makes you feel. And that's what matters the most. Bingo. And if you never beat the Elite Four with your Charizard, your Gengar, your Dragonite, your Alakazam, you're Machamp, you're Onyx, hopefully Steelix if you get a metal coat, you're not going to know what that feels like. Right. Metal coat with a trade, by the way. It's not easy. And the metal coats are hard to come by because you could also give it to a scyther and get a scissor, scissor, whatever you want to call it. But you've got to make these decisions at a young age that matter.

1:01:17Steph McMahon:That matter. They matter. They matter. I get it. I get that. I get that it matters. like when you were pitching your ideas? Vince looked exactly like that. Exactly. He's just like, he was like.

1:01:33Steph McMahon:So in terms of collecting, right, you also collect dinosaur fossils. I love dinosaurs. So you are quoted saying something about, you know, the perspective of, you know, being around something that's 66 million years old. And what is that perspective? What's that story? What does that mean to you? Dinosaurs have an interesting way of reminding me just how incredible this planet is. We live on a miracle. The fact that we are alive and sentient and can sit on this podcast with these things filming us and post it out for other people to watch. Is it like actually a miracle? Do you have any idea how big the universe is?

1:02:30How many galaxies, planets, stars there are in the universe? It is a number that is so shocking. You can't even comprehend it. You cannot even comprehend it. And yet here we are alive on this rock that has so much rich history, including millions of years of species that lived and died and went extinct before our time and ruled the planet for hundreds of millions of years. The dinosaurs are around for like between 100 and 200 million years. 100 and 200 million years. Do you know how long humans have been around? Not very. Two to 300 ,000. Yeah. That is a blip in the radar. This species ruled our planet for a very long time.

1:03:22And before them, it was a different species. And so by admiring these fossils of ancient creatures that really, you know, rule the most special miracle that we know of in the galaxy, it grounds me in a way that I really appreciate. like I love looking at fossils for that reason

1:03:46Steph McMahon:and it gives you that perspective every time you look at them the wow the holy shit just incredible these things are incredible we have a triceratops head too are you serious? whoa sick ours is a mold of an actual fossil but it is not the actual fossil it doesn't quite count It does because it's still the meaning of it. I don't think so. I think it does. I think it does. Sorry to say. But you should get a real one. There's one at auction right now, but it's a whole skeleton. Wow. I mean, it's a great birthday gift. Yeah, four to five mil. That I can't buy for you. But somebody can. Oh, is that it?

1:04:36Oh, that's sick.

1:04:37Steph McMahon:Oh, oh. That's a T-Rex. No, that's in my dad's office. We bought that for my dad. We at our place have a triceratops head. It's incredible. Is that truth? Yeah, it is. Just seems to be everywhere, that guy. Yeah, he is. He really is. I mean, you never know when he's going to pop up. But how do UFOs then fit into all of that? And you have some footage that you won't share. Oh! Right? Right? Stephanie again great place to share it I'll share my UFO footage one day maybe when the time is right it's yeah UFOs fascinate me yeah they should fascinate everyone it is an undeniable fact that we are no longer alone and probably have not been alone for the entirety of our time here on Earth.

1:05:40Steph McMahon:Did you see Age of Disclosure? I did not. I haven't watched it yet, which is shocking. You know why? Because I'm pretty deeply ingrained with the conversation online. I heard from fellow UFO heads. There's nothing really revelatory. There isn't except for the non-UFO heads. It's pretty eye-opening. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Because a lot of people for the first time was like, oh, my God, the government is even saying, we don't know what these crafts are, and kind of acknowledging in a right about way that we are the most intelligent. And this crazy time-space manipulation that is a bubble around these different aircraft or craft.

1:06:15Steph McMahon:Yeah, it's insane. So essentially the theory is that these craft are able to create their own gravity. And by doing that, you can manipulate the time and space in front of the craft and it can pull it forward. All around the craft and in the craft. Yes, yes. And so they experience time differently. They can move the physics of our of our planet don't apply. Right. They could just they can like pick a point in space and like get there instantly. And so, yeah, I mean, it's shocking. This stuff exists. How can you not be intrigued by it? So how did you first come to be interested, learn about it?

1:06:51Steph McMahon:What was your first like, holy shit, aha moment? You know what? I actually I actually don't remember. I've always been fascinated with like aliens and UFOs since I was a kid. But I think as more and more of this stuff came out, and I think remember hearing about the Bob Lazar story, who is the scientist who worked at Area 51, allegedly, and like reverse engineered a craft. But then you look into his story and it's so compelling. It seems ridiculous that this guy wouldn't be telling the truth, or at least he's very believable. He actually has a document. He believes it for sure. He definitely believes it.

1:07:29And that's what Rogan says too, by the way. Yeah. When asked, do you think Bob Lazar is telling the truth? Rogan says, I think he believes it. Regardless, this is actually interesting because this ties into my footage. Bob Lazar has a documentary slash movie coming out narrated by him and a fellow filmmaker. I think it's called something about S4, which was Area 51. That's where he supposedly worked. And I watched the trailer because the movie's not out yet. and in the trailer about three quarters of the way in there is a craft that goes up in the sky and changes its exterior to a glowing orange skin like texture which you know if you're watching you're not going to think twice about this footage mostly because it's AI generated but I think the footage was crafted with Bob's direction and not with AI.

1:08:29It's almost like you don't even need the footage. If Bob's telling you like, yes, that's exactly what I saw. You can imagine you're getting a pretty accurate recreation of what he was describing. But this footage where the disc turned orange caught my attention because it looks exactly like the disc in the footage that I have.

1:08:50Steph McMahon:And so were you recording So it was your personal recording Nope Nope Story for another day But you are in possession of said footage I have it I can show it to you as well It's not entirely compelling You won't think twice about it Until I do one thing It's a blurry orange disc Allegedly these kids went to Area 51 To do this exact thing and they drove all the way up as far as they could and then they essentially found what they were looking for. And it was a UFO that had this glowing orange skin-like thing and the kids were hiding in their car and you could see the light oscillating and they're underneath the dashboard talking about we can't get out of the car or whatever.

1:09:45Then they get out and they film the UFO. Really poor quality footage as you can imagine. and it's grainy, the film's been played hundreds of times, whatever. It's compelling, not convincing. Until if you take your finger and you kind of scrub it backwards and forwards quickly, like you're not watching in real time, you're just going through the footage fast, the disc has a buoyancy to it on the air. It's floating almost as if you put a bobber in the water and someone taps the bobber and it looks like it's floating on water, which I don't know if that's possible to fake in 1995. It is disgustingly smooth.

1:10:35And this characteristic has a name. I think it's like leaf or something. Like it's leafy. Like it's like a leaf floating on water. Oh, wow. And that's how people have described how they see craft. But why it's interesting is because it's the same thing I saw in the Bob Lazar movie trailer. It's that orange disc at Area 51 where he worked. And these kids filmed this orange disc at Area 51 where he worked. And so I'm trying to hop on a FaceTime call with Bob Lazar and see like, yo, is this the craft that you guys worked on?

1:11:08Steph McMahon:That would be amazing. Yeah. And you've studied and looked at so much footage, digital footage mostly, from all of your experience. But since you were eight years old making these videos, that you can tell in 1995 that the tech wasn't there to do what you're describing. I just, not like that. Not like that. If you don't do that in the video, you're like, it could be. But I'm telling you, it is floating in the air. Like, it's like, it's too smooth. It's too smooth. I don't know how you'd fake that in 1995. But maybe they did. I don't know. I mean, yeah, who knows, right? Did we land on the moon?

1:11:53Steph McMahon:Did we not land on the moon? Don't even get me started. Don't even get me started. Well, Logan, I can't thank you enough for being so vulnerable on our podcast, for sharing so much. I mean I really I have wanted to like have a conversation with you and maybe we can at some point too just about WWE and bringing all of yourself and you're with the right guy I mean you're with the wise man so he is definitely getting in there I'm sure yeah he is yeah whenever Steph thanks for having me on I talked a lot I'm so sorry why that's the whole point Yeah, I just normally don't talk this much No, but this is the whole point of our podcast Yeah, I guess it is a podcast It's called What's Your Story Not What's Our Story Yeah, that's fair Is there anything you want to plug?

1:12:47Nah, nah, I don't need your business While you drink your Prime? Yeah, it's funny People make comments about Prime, obviously When I'm in the ring, sometimes they'll even have signs And how cool, well Yeah, I mean it's awesome, it's the attention But they'll be like, hey, Prime sucks, whatever I go, we don't need your business. You look mad dehydrated. I can tell you don't drink protein anyway, buddy. Yeah.

1:13:14Steph McMahon:What's your favorite prime flavor or product? Glowberry is my favorite hydration. I drink the Cherry Limeade Prime Energy 18 Plus every single day before I work out. It's the best pre-workout at Energizer or whatever and before every match. But we just released a prime shake. I said I wasn't going to plug anything We just released a prime shake It has 32 grams of protein, 3 grams of sugar 150 calories The reviews are stellar People really like the product I think we might become a protein company That's amazing Yeah That's good That's awesome You have so much in front of you You have a title match tonight You gotta get ready Thank you very much Thank you so much.

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