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27:19Steph McMahon:Yeah. Fine. but yeah yeah it was good though it was really good so now all of us as a family like even though the parents are divorced um we're all very tight and now we're able to um have christmases together where before my our parents were not sure you don't get divorced for no reason yeah and i i do think that they definitely stayed together longer than they needed to for us sure so i know that they're you know you do anything for your kids and I could never be mad at them well good parents do yeah yeah yes absolutely so um yeah it was that was aside from just like me and my mom we used to get into it all the time too and is it because you're are you more like her more like your dad um I feel like I feel like I'm more like my dad uh the thing with my mom is being as an immigrant from Korea, she still, she still has, of course, the, the culture in her, which I love and appreciate.

28:25But in Korea, it's like the parents are right no matter what. And, you know, and of course always respect your elders, but like, as we were getting older and especially with the divorce and just so much pent up anger in all of us, her trying to lay kids test. Yes. Oh, and I definitely was testing her. I definitely was testing her. As daughters do. Yeah. It was just, it was, I think, like me and her clashed a lot because being the oldest one, even though I was still in school, it was like, you can't tell me what to do because you, I threw it all back at her, which was horrible on my part. But it was like, you can't even like keep your family together.

29:06So how are you going to tell me what to do? Yeah, it was, I always would just. Well, you watched my promos. exactly this is your fault you knew how to learn from her it was all my fault it was all my fault so i was i was horrible i was horrible and me and my mom are also like really tight me and my dad are really tight i know me and my mom we still kind of go at it a little bit but only because she's still oh my gosh i love her but she still is a mom right yeah i know i know you mean yeah

29:41Steph McMahon:My kids say this. I know. When I'm too young to say it. Yeah, I know. They will eventually. Yeah, I know. That's what happens. Well, I love my mom very much. Right. No matter what. But she's always going to try to mother you. Oh, yes. Because that's what we do. Oh, my God. We mean well. I know. I know. It's just every time, like, she would come to my shows, and I would stay with, anytime we have shows in D.C., I would stay with her for, like, three days. And throughout those three days, before SmackDown, for an example, she's just trying to feed me. I was like, mommy, I can't. I have Smackdown in three days.

30:13Like, oh, but you're so skinny here. Eat. No, no, no.

30:18Steph McMahon:It's so there's a commercial that airs in our programming all the time. And it's the Korean aunties and that, you know, that the it's your auntie is trying to say I love you by feeding you. Yes. Is that like I see that all the time. That's true. It's very true. And I didn't realize that I picked up on that trait from my mom because me, Shana and Jessamyn used to live together and every time we go out to Korean barbecue I'm the one that's always cooking and making sure they eat before I start eating and it's Shana's favorite she loves it that's great and I love being I don't cook much but Korean barbecue that's my bread and butter so I just love being able to like feed them until I can tell they're going to go into like a food coma and then I feel like oh my god that's I got that from my mom dang it's funny actually the older we get the more you realize these traits yes or the things you say you'll say an expression and you're like oh my god it's the commercial that's like when you're turning into your parents it's the funniest commercial ever yeah yeah spot on i love that today when i had a like we all had to like talk to kids and like what what's something inspirational or like motivating to keep you successful and of course i was like well for me it's punctuality if you're you're on time you're late if you're early you're on time and i was like oh my god i'm My dad.

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33:12Yeah. I hate. Oh, my God. I hate moving to this day. But it was like we would get settled. And then a year later, we would have to go somewhere else. And then we'd get settled. And you'd start to make friends. Yeah. Oh, I hated moving just for that. Because you finally, when you finally start feeling like you have roots in the town, it's like, okay, well, now let's start. Yeah. Yeah. So that like I'll claim California as my home always and forever. That's where I feel both California and my college life is where I felt like I started to really develop into me. But going from California to Maryland, back to California, to D.C., then to Orlando for wrestling and then Texas.

33:51So it's like just all over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, it's cool to say that I was able to travel as much when I was a kid because now now the travel. for us. I'm like, yeah, you're like, no, this is no big deal. Exactly. I don't know where I'm going, but I'll be ready. And how do you think like moving around so much, you're exposed to a lot

34:15Steph McMahon:of different cultures, right? Because there's, you know, culture from where you come from, where your family comes from, but then there's also like a local culture. Yes. You know, so how, which pieces did you love? Like, what did you take from each place you live? Let me tell you. So California, I really loved because at least back in the early 90s, you know, there was very rich culture in the black community plus the Korean community. So I got the best of both worlds. However, then there was like the rivalry between the two. And I was like, oh, I'll just stay inside. I'm in the middle. Yeah. But during that time too, that was a lot of like my dad was making sure that me and my sister, we couldn't go outside past like 5 p.m.

35:02Or we could only play. We lived in a cul-de-sac at the time, so we couldn't leave the cul-de-sac. So it was a lot of just like you go outside and play, but only until this time. And then you can only stay in this place. Yeah. But then also then adult always had to be watching just in case because, you know, even the neighborhood kind of knew what my dad did and stuff like that. um but during like the Rodney King era and stuff I was like just you can't you can't go outside and play today so there were restrictions there but I did feel uh I did I like the melting pot of the different cultures in California um and then we moved to DC and I felt like a fish out of water because I think my identity started to develop in California I was a California girl Right.

35:49And then going to D.C., the opposite side of the country. Right. And then we moved to a town in Fairfax. And that is like. How do I say this? A lot of white people. okay like like the suburb yeah yeah and it wasn't bad it was just different yeah even like going to school I was I did not uh feel like I belonged um and even going to school there was only like a handful of black students and they were all in like a clique and then there were like a handful of Asian students and they were all in a clique and during middle and high school I didn't really have a lot of friends just because I had nowhere to go and thank God for volleyball that was like my only saving grace yeah um because I was I was the wrestling nerd that I wore like my wrestling shirts all the time and like I got made fun of all the time because I still liked wrestling but I was a student athlete so like they couldn't really they bullied me but not as bad as it could be um and then thank you and you were a successful student athlete yes well now they all of them are oh my god I knew it I was like no you didn't you made fun of me I don't remember it's okay I remember you yeah yeah and so it's like going from LA to DC was just a culture shock and it took a long time for me I didn't feel like I truly belonged until I went to college just because I was always like the quiet kid by themselves and then there was one I will say hey Mike there was one guy in high school he was uh one of the popular kids in school and he we bonded over wrestling and so being friends with him kind of helped me as well and sure sure still to this day like he got into wrestling after I got into wrestling and like still to this day we chat and like catch up whenever I go visit my mom in Fairfax and like that's cool yeah it's just like hey remember in high school when we would just like sit in lunch and just talk about what The Rock and Stone Cold did last week.

38:03And he's like, yeah, and look at you now. Like, now you're working and you're doing WrestleMania. I was like, I know what the heck this is. So it's just like reminisce, but also actually have a friend. Because I didn't have a lot of friends in school. And it was very dark and lonely during those times. yeah um that's where I I learned a lot about uh counseling yeah um but it was it was hard it was hard to transition into that and also to I felt the education system from California to DC it's so different so going to DC I was put into like special ed classes because I just couldn't I where I was supposed to be for DC or Virginia standards is it was I wasn't there right um so for a long time like I was so instead of holding you back you went into special ed classes yeah and did it help I mean it did yeah it definitely like I feel I always say college was a turning point for me because that's when everything started to make sense everything in high school I was a I don't I don't know how but by the time I finished high school I was like a 3.1 or 2 GPA and so I was like I barely made the cut to even get a scholarship for volleyball um but even that I was shocked that I even made it in the threes and then in college I became like a 3.6 like things just started making sense in college right whereas in high school everything from math and history and science like it just felt foreign to me well and also you didn't learn

39:51Steph McMahon:the foundation the same way yes so that's tricky because you you miss so much going from one school to another school and they try to catch you up yeah and it's like kind of impossible oh my gosh yeah so it's like I feel like I wonder what life would have been especially for my education if I would have stayed in California but because the system in Virginia was in my opinion just at a higher standard right it worked out and especially in college like I went to college in Virginia too so that and I went to an HBCU and I think that's when I really started to find myself because I was one out of two Asians on campus.

40:38So immediately everybody was like, oh my God, you're cool. Let's hang out. And you play volleyball. Come on, let's hang out and come hang out. Oh, that's great. Yeah, and I just felt so.

40:48Steph McMahon:Yeah, you were just accepted right away. Yes, immediately. Instead of feeling like the outsider, you were a part of everything. Yeah. And sought after. That was the first time where I've actually felt attractive. I was like, oh my God, the guys actually like me? I was like, oh, that's only because I was mixed. Mike is still calling you, by the way. I'm sorry? Mike is still calling you. I'm just saying. You were always attractive. Thank you. I think just growing up always being made fun of because I was different or looked different. You believed that. Yeah. Which is awful. When you talk about the dark place that you went to, the way you say it, it must have been a really hard time you're gonna make me cry just going back to those times um yeah it was like I think dealing with the divorce and then the conflicts with my mom and is that why you wound up in Virginia like because you said your mom wound up staying there was the divorce what so or was it your dad's job like it was my it was my dad's job they were still together were you when they uh oh maybe like 12 or 13 okay right before the teen years that's tough yeah yeah and um so we moved to to virginia for my dad's job okay and then we were there for a couple years and then the divorce happened okay and then he left and went back to california or no he so he made sure to stay close to us so he got an apartment like a couple blocks down So he made sure to always be close to us no matter what.

42:28So that was really nice to just be like, I'm mad at my mom, so I'm going to my dad's. So it was like the divorce plus the, you know, every, I feel like it's such a, everybody gets made fun of in high school, unless you were the popular kid or whatever. But not really having, like feeling like I belonged in high school and just feeling so lonely and not knowing who to talk to because even even your sisters you're not getting along with right right and I went through a phase of like boy crazy so I was always just you know I had a boyfriend and then they break up with me and then I'd be like oh and then I got another boyfriend or whatever so like I noticed that when I was in high school I attached myself to boys um didn't do anything crazy but you felt it was just positive attention yeah yeah yeah you wanted to feel pretty and loved and wanted and yeah yeah but it you know who doesn't want that right right i think just going through that era and especially talking to like there was some teachers that i work was cool with and even telling them like how i felt all of a sudden i i get a call and have to go to the counselor's room and they're like you know if you if you're thinking about something you know we have to we have to call your parents i was like nope i'm good yeah so it's like certainly not gonna say anything now right so now you're keeping inside even more yeah so i did uh like i used to i don't really have time for it anymore but i used to really like drawing and art um i made i made a lot of dark arts back then it's okay that's how it was coming out yeah Yeah, it helped, but it was also like, it was no good when my mom found it.

44:19Steph McMahon:But, you know, it was just. So are you sure it wasn't good that she found it or did she find it and then you got some help that you may have needed or. Um. Or a conversation or was it would it have been better to have stayed hidden from her? I mean, I think it did help. I don't I think she didn't know what to do. Yeah. So thankfully, she didn't like call anybody or anything. but even her trying to open up and talk to me about it I didn't want to talk to her like to me she was the enemy so I didn't want to talk to her I didn't want to talk to anybody in my family I just wanted you felt like she was the reason they got divorced I didn't know and to this day I still don't know what happened but I also don't want to know right um I love them both very much and I don't want like it I wasn't sure if that was the reason you were I think I was just resentful like it's like you both you knew what you were doing I don't know what it was but you broke the family both of you so f the both of you was my mentality yeah and um I was I tested my mom more because I was scared of my dad yeah so to this day I'm still scared of my dad I'm like you know So we're, I'm scared of your dad too.

45:38Oh yeah. He would be scared of you. But like to this day, I'm still like, you know, I'm got weapons back in the day and stuff like that. I'm like, now at least daddy, you can't catch me. So, but like I tested my mom a lot because I wasn't scared of her. So it was easy for her. Like if she's like, what, what is this? Like, do you want to talk about it? I was like, I'm not talking about that with you. Like get, get on my face. Like I was very disrespectful. um but it was I was very independent and I would rather deal with it by myself and if I survived then great and if not then great so it was just one of those things like if I make it through this period of time cool and if not it back then I was like who's gonna miss me anyway like who cares so you thought you didn't matter

46:34Steph McMahon:how did you finally get to the place where you know that you do I want to say once again in college with volleyball and wrestling because that was when like I felt accepted I felt like I mattered and not even just on the court but walking around campus like just people saying like seeing me hey how are you Steph how are you like you coming to this party tonight like actually getting invited to things and then with wrestling already having the structure of taekwondo swimming volleyball like it was very easy for me to go with the training program um and then when the guys started to realize like I'm not just here to make it on tv like I love this shit right and I'm gonna stick through it yeah no matter what you throw at me once they started to see I wasn't going nowhere no matter how hard they were going to hit me and then getting accepted like I felt like I finally like one doing what I love and two doing what I love with people that actually respect and give a shit about me so yeah I think sports definitely sports and video games but mainly sports definitely helped out a lot and when did you said you're big on on counseling and therapy when did that become a part of the equation so I got deep into that after a really bad relationship so not before then no so you've gone from probably your lowest low all dealing with it by yourself really not talking to anybody about it but sort of turning the corner and feeling, you know, empowered and a part of something, although there's probably still that unresolved piece of you who doesn't believe all of this is real.

48:36Steph McMahon:Because for some reason, the stories that we can tell ourselves seem like they're the truth when it's not. Yeah, and I'm very, where the older I get, the more I can understand my mindset and thought process. and I'm really good at, and it's always been since I was a kid, whenever something traumatic happens, I block it out and then I pretend that it never happened. You compartmentalize it. Yes. So there are some things that happen that people will come up to me like, I'm so sorry that this happened. And I was like, oh, I forgot that happened. Yeah. Damned. Oh, okay. Thanks. Oh, that's right. I did go through that.

49:16Steph McMahon:Yeah. So it was a lot of that in high school too because I just, I didn't trust anybody, even the counselors at school, of course. Like they just said they were going to tell on me. They basically said that right away. Right. So I already had the notion of I can't openly talk to them because I'm going to get committed into like a 72-hour hold or something. So I can't talk to you guys. I can't talk to the doctors. I'll just handle it on my own and we'll see what happens. And there wasn't like the help hotlines and things like that then or you just still didn't trust it? I did call, but I didn't feel comfortable enough to still be 100%.

49:54Like I still felt guarded. And to me, I think I just needed to find the right therapist as well. Because I've been through so many. But like I found one that I can really just, I know that she just wants me to be the best version of me.

50:12Steph McMahon:You trust her. 100%. Yeah. And it's not a financial situation or anything like that. And it just felt that like throughout my years. I'm like, okay, they just want, they just want the insurance money and they don't really care. They're just taking notes to send it to my doctor. And like, you could tell when they're genuine versus when it's like, all right, well, they're just here for the hour. Yeah. Counting down the minutes. Yeah. You know? So I just, with me to get through a lot of hard times, it's like, let me just, for an example, okay, let me just get through the next three days and then I'll be home with my dogs.

50:48Okay. I just got three days. So it's just even that's always been since I was a kid to like, OK, well, school sucks. People are making fun of me and throwing my food on the floor so I can't eat today. But three days until it's Saturday and then I could sleep in and just not be around them for a little bit. So it's always just counting down like the light at the end of the tunnel. Yeah, just kept me going.

51:08Steph McMahon:It's important that light at the end of the tunnel. Oh, yeah, it really is something to look forward to. A little hope. A little hope. Yeah, I feel like that's a tactic or a skill, right? It's a survival skill in my opinion. That you figured out and got you through until you could talk to someone like this. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad. I'm glad it worked out. But so you have this incredibly successful high school career? I mean, college career? Yeah. Yeah. Surprisingly enough, so for volleyball, Charlotte's played volleyball. Izzy played volleyball. and they're like six foot one or two. Right, right.

51:48So I'm super short for volleyball standards, but my vertical. Oh yeah. I could jump. So I - And I bet you're fast. Yeah. Yeah. I learned, and I implemented it to wrestling too, where for volleyball, I learned every single position. So I'm mainly an outside hitter, but I could play middle. I could play oppo. I could play libero. I can't set if it saved my life, but I could do that if I need it. So I like to learn every single position. Utility player. Yeah. Just in case if it's like, oh crap, like our middle player just got hurt. Like, all right. I could jump in. Right. So using that to wrestling as well, it's like, I want to learn Japanese style.

52:25I want to learn Lucha. I want to learn the UK style. Like I want to learn everything just so I know. Yeah. Because, you know, better than. You never know when you're going to need to use it. Exactly. So for volleyball, like that really helped me, one, become a team player, understanding like the functions of a team. but also in college I was co-captain. So having to lead the team. And so I learned a lot of different aspects in college, both on the court and even in school too, just with personal relationships and relationships with the teachers and things like that. It was, you know, it was a good time.

52:59Steph McMahon:Yeah, and networking too, right? And how important that is in life and your career. Yeah. Now, before Twitter was barely popping off, So you had to exchange emails. And when I first started wrestling and I met Sarah Del Rey and Daisy Hayes, and I was like, what can I do to train with you guys? Like, well, email me and we'll get – Right, I know, yeah. Immediately sent them an email and just waiting for, like, the notification. Right. You know? But it's like, instead of just tweeting at somebody or sending, we had to – oh, my God. We had to send tapes. Yeah, actual tapes. Yeah. Yeah. That you make in the big-ass quarter.

53:38Steph McMahon:Oh, my God. and put it in the big envelope and send it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the big envelope. Oh, my gosh. Yep. The manila folder with all your stuff. I hope it gets there. Yeah. Yeah. I think, oh, my gosh. I think I sent, like, I think it was either to you. I hope you never find it. I hope we do. I remember back in the day, you guys used to have, like, send your fan mail, too. Yeah. So I sent a hate letter to you. I hope it. I remember it. I was like just learning how to write and everything. Well, I hope maybe I was an outlet. It was awesome. I was like honestly waiting for a letter back. I wonder if she's going to write back.

54:25Do you remember what you wrote? I don't, but it wasn't nice. but it was probably just like i hate stephanie she's a bonehead i hope the rock choke slams her to hell for something so funny but yeah so it was you know back back in those days without because now it makes me so mad when everyone's like let's just do this spot for the gif and let's go viral i'm like no yeah oh that makes me so mad but that's the age of 2026 now it's social media yeah i'm like i cherish being able to go to school and actually going outside and playing and not being consumed by right what you have to do to make a moment yeah yeah i love the grind of having to send out emails and mailing out tapes and seeing if i got into shimmer or getting into the Ring of Honor school or you know.

55:27Any place you went. Yeah. So the grind really made the success much sweeter because it wasn't easy. I was just going to say getting like the nose. That was never ending. I'm going to send out 10 more. Just give me one.

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57:14Steph McMahon:Terms apply. And your dad was military. So do you think that that, did he teach you work ethic in any particular way? 100%. Well, like I said, I grew up on whoopins. so can't be late um i know and a whooping was oh you know a belt switch from outside whatever yeah whatever was yeah but it wasn't like but a real like what like i just like a quick just a quick little you know just wake me up okay nothing abuse it was nothing abusive it was just it i appreciate it because it i'm only asking because everyone's definition oh yeah no it was just a quick you know yeah why'd you do that pop like a like a pop yeah yeah just a quick pop um but it was enough for me to make sure that I I made sure to never do drugs because my dad if I even even weed I was too scared to try it because I'm like my dad's gonna kill me he's gonna literally kill me gosh I I think I took I think I took my first sip of alcohol when I was like 18 or 19 so and even then I was just like this is wrong yeah yeah but uh he was very strict very strict on punctuation making sure that we were always on time uh we had a comeback inside from playing outside like when the street lights came on but you had once the street lights came on you had 10 minutes to make it back home oh yeah you're in trouble um but you were close to the cul-de-sac so you were all right oh yeah once they came on me and my sister sprinted home yeah um but it was that along with um you know growing up said yes sir no sir yes ma 'am no ma 'am um no we weren't allowed to be friends with boys no boys allowed sorry mike Mike has been cool me and Mike has always just been cool but like it was I think because I've always Shayna and Jay Duke are my best friends they're like my sister Leva is my sister but for some reason growing up I've always been closer with the guys only because like I can go out and play football you could relate to them yeah like if they wanted to go skateboarding down the block like I was going to go down I don't know how to skateboard relationships with guys are easier yeah there's just less drama yes and now that i'm older it's i feel like yeah less guys is great but growing up just trying to find a place to fit in yeah i fit in more with the guys just because i wanted to be active and i wanted to you know when you don't want people asking you all kinds of questions you don't want to answer yeah like girls are going to try to get in your business oh yeah guys in a different way yeah yeah but Like it was just being one of the guys, like even being with the OC, I'm one of the guys.

1:00:21And it's great until it's whenever there's a situation. So back in California, I remember there was a situation where like every all the kids were playing in the cul-de-sac. And then this so stereotypical like this. We've never seen it before. A white van just like slow driving past us. and like all the the guy kids like surrounded the girls it was just really yeah so like yeah they're still it was safe yeah it's felt safe um so it was cool it's always really cool my god i just got goosebumps thinking about that little things like that and even with the oc like i'm one of the guys but anytime we do meet and greets and there's a drunk guy that's like i want to take a picture with her they would sandwich me in like nope you're going you're staying on the out like I just feel protected when I'm with like some close friends.

1:01:13Yeah. Especially with guys. But shoot, not I'm best friends with Shayna and Shaydu. Guys still get the same thing. I still get the same thing. It was great. But it was a lot easier just interacting with guys, making guy friends, and just like kicking in with the guys.

1:01:31Steph McMahon:Yeah. And so we started to get into how you found your therapist. if you're comfortable talking about sort of what led you. You know, what happened after college? Or when did you meet this man? We met in 20... Either 09 or 10. Now it's one of those things where I'm like, I haven't talked about it in so long that I'm like, I got to go back and think. But it was, I think, 09 or 10.

1:02:12Steph McMahon:And I'm sorry, that's after college? Yes. So after college, I met, I try to remember, I moved to, when did I move to Orlando? So it was around like the 2013 time. Okay, because you were doing both. You were at the same time. That's why it's a little confusing. I finished college in 12. So I met him, I think, in 13. So in 13, we met. And then I was still living in Virginia at the time because during that period, the tri-state area, the DMV, D.C., Maryland, Virginia, that was starting to boom with wrestling. And then you had the other tri-state, Philly, Jersey, and New York was two, three hour drive from me.

1:02:57So I was making drives every weekend. I was like, I'm going to stay in Virginia because this is a good wrestling area. Central, yeah. Yeah, I was training. But with the PC being in Orlando and I'm like, okay, well maybe, I think we have a partnership with TNA. So can I say TNA? Yeah. Okay. You can say anything you want. So, and I know TNA was based in Universal at the time. So all the big rest like TV wrestling was in Orlando. So I meet my ex and we go. I moved to Orlando and just. And was he a part of the business? Yes. OK. And so went down to Orlando and just with hopes of possibly making it on making it on TV, whether it's WWE.

1:03:49And I just I needed some TV experience. Yeah. Um, but moved down to Orlando and it was great at first. Um, but then, you know, just it, it, I think once I moved, that's when things went downhill because it was just.

1:04:14Steph McMahon:You were, you were living together. Yeah. It was just, I, I think. And married? No. No. Okay. um I realized uh you were reliant on him yeah like we both we both had jobs and we both were wrestling um it was it was fine we were training together uh it was just now that I'm out of it um it was one of those things where it's like damn I really was isolated and um I give credit to my other best friend Leva who was there and we knew each other but we weren't close until i moved to orlando and she was like anytime i just needed to get away i went to hers yeah um and she always made sure that like i had a bed there and was able to just go there um but yeah it was uh it was a so well pretty much going to therapy what led it what led me going to therapy was it was a violent relationship and it was hard because um like it's to the point now it's been long enough and I've been doing therapy long enough where like I everything happens for a reason I learned a lot from it and I forgive yeah I forgive wow everybody um but it was um sorry I'm stuttering a lot but no you're not stuttering and it's obviously so hard for you to talk about because it happened to you yeah and and yes there's of course a great learning and and everything happens for a reason but to live through violence that is directed at you by someone that you love is um something that most people or hopefully a lot of people can't relate to but i do know it happens all the time yeah and domestic abuse is a very, very serious situation.

1:06:28And I applaud you for being willing to talk about it

1:06:33Steph McMahon:in any form that you have talked about it. And for always supporting women who are in these situations, because, you know, like I've, I've heard you say, you know, you when, and it's one of the lessons I try to teach my girls and all girls, you need to be financially independent. Yes. You need to be able to provide and support yourself so that should you, God forbid, wind up in a situation where that's bad, you can get out. You know, and a lot of women can't because they feel, well, A, they're sort of manipulated, right? They are. The pattern is to be kept away from your family, from anybody who loves you.

1:07:14Steph McMahon:You are isolated. You are then, you know, it's it's it's psychological manipulation. and then physical abuse on top of that it's um and so many women can't get out it's I always try to like it it sucked at the time well it's sucks all around but it's one of those things where when it was happening to me what made me want to be vocal about it and tell my story was when I would go and open up to my fellow co-workers or anytime I have shimmer like just kind of break down and like it was so much pressure at home that once I left like I just couldn't help but break down and it had to come out yeah and so it would just come out and so many of the girls that I work with like oh yeah I've been there like what it's like yeah we like the the common thing that pissed me off about it all is the fact that as women wrestlers when we go through that all of a sudden it's like oh well you're a wrestler like that's right that you should be used to that right and it's exactly and it's like okay but the difference between being in the ring and being at home is consent like i'm consenting to a wrestling match i'm not consenting to getting choked out by the way what we do is entertainment right it doesn't actually right so seeing all of these girlfriends of mine like yeah you know we we go through it too but like what what can we say you know we wrestle guys too what can we say and it's like fuck that right absolutely not because that's why it keeps happening right happening and so i'm so glad it's this like defeatist mentality yeah and i understand their point of view because i felt that way but it was also i think the um because you're made to feel that way yes and this this was before the me too movement and i was like I don't care what is said about getting there.

1:09:11You know, a lot of people has talked trash about me since talking about it. And at the end of the day, it's like, I need to put this message out because there's a woman that's having an intergender match this weekend that's getting beat up at home. But she feels like she can't say anything because she has this freaking match with a guy. And now she's worried about all these other wrestlers laughing at her because she can't defend herself at home. But then if she defends herself at home, then she's the abuser. right so it's like it's such a vicious double-edged sword a vicious cycle and the mental oh my god the mental toll like i've gotten i usually walk around 135 140 during that time i was like in my earth like early 120s like weight like i and everybody which also is another thing oh my god you look great like your abs are popping and i'm like thanks in my head i'm like I'm just not hungry.

1:10:08I'm so stressed that I just wasn't eating. I wasn't hungry. So it was a lesson, but I really just wanted to use my own lesson, but also platform it and tell the other women wrestlers, like, yeah, even though you're a wrestler and you may wrestle guys, you may do hardcore matches, this is not okay. Yeah, well, that's not the same thing. It's not. It's not the same thing. But you're always going to hear these douchebags on Twitter or whatever saying dumb shit. Sorry. But saying all this dumb stuff. Don't be sorry.

1:10:44Steph McMahon:Like people don't know. It just pisses me off because they don't. Exactly. They don't know. And it's they're just trying to get a reaction or rage bait or whatever it's called. And we just shouldn't pay them attention. You are correct. You are correct. But easier said than done though. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. But it's like, thankfully for therapy, like I'm able to tackle, like I'm still working through it. Like I think that relationship and that whole experience changed who I am, which I look back and that's one of the reasons why I still cry about it. Because back then I think I was just, I was naive, but I thought the world was not as bad.

1:11:26Like, you know, I still have to deal with the stuff that my dad has been through and things like that. But to me, it's like, I just want to wrestle and I just want to play volleyball and I just want to make friends and da, da, da. And then going through that was like, this is what this is what life is.

1:11:40Steph McMahon:Right. And I just want to wrestle. And now I have to go to work and get made fun of because of like it was. It hardened me to a point who made fun of you and like on top of social media. and I don't mean names or oh yeah no it was just a lot of like um our I always try to I don't like to when when I'm mutual friends like we're you know friends with both of us I don't like to be like it's either me or him or you gotta pick a side so mutual friends would be the ones who have made fun of you some of them like there's some that stood by me and ultimately like cut the friendship off but then there were others that's like you're lying like why like you got that you got that a match last week like that that mark on your neck you got that last week like you're lying why are you saying that it's like I always I don't waste my energy arguing back because to me if you're gonna tell me that you know I'm lying or I'm making fun you're not going to believe anything right so i'm not worth it it just i just clock it in my head it's like okay well now i know that you're not safe to be around so how awful that it was normalized like that yeah that's that's what's blowing my mind that anybody would say that that anybody would say that the unfortunate thing which i know you both understand is as women we're always going to be at fault no matter what we're always going to be at fault whether if a relationship don't work it's our fault if uh someone if we get divorced it's our fault so it's am i surprised no because at the end of the day we always get the shit under the stick no matter what unless i mean freaking people didn't believe p diddy until the video came out yeah so and even when the video came out it's like okay but what did she do to deserve that it's like right all right So it's unfortunately just a part of being a woman.

1:13:49Steph McMahon:I'm so, so sorry that you had to endure everything that you went through. And I'm sure you were so much more vulnerable because of all of the unresolved issues that you already were carrying. Yeah. And I'm just, I'm so sorry. Thank you. And I'm grateful you're on the other side, although still working through it. Oh, yeah. because you can never undo what somebody has done to you it's always going to stick with me which is why like put it in the back of my mind but i always talking to my therapist now and working through all of that it's like looking back looking back 10 years ago to now it's like I'm still me but damn I'm such a strong person now yeah that like I know the signs I know how to protect myself I know like if I even if I see my friends like red flags you probably see it much more clearly with your friends unfortunately they don't listen yeah but the best thing that I can do is no matter what even if because I had to cut off like Shelton I had to cut off like all my close friends is to let them know like hey no matter what happens if even if I don't talk to you for years I'm always going to be here so just know I'm always going to be here even if you can't talk to me or won't talk to me or whatever like I'll be here so it's just letting them know that when they are ready I'm here yeah you can't force somebody to that's right you know and there's so many I think it was like an average of seven times before a woman actually can leave um so I know So can you explain that a little bit?

1:15:32So because of the mental manipulation and just being trapped, whether it's financial or emotional or mental, shoot, physical sometimes, a woman leaving a violent relationship, it takes them on average six or seven times, six or seven attempts before they can finally leave. So that's why you see a lot of women, they leave and then they come back and then they leave and then they come back. And then it can be frustrating to the friends, but it's just the cycle of survival for them. You don't mean to not get out of it.

1:16:03Steph McMahon:You're trying. Right. Exactly. And for whatever reason, they suck you back in. And I'm so sorry. And I didn't mean it. And I'm a horrible person. Yeah. Yeah. And at the end of the day, that's why, like, after going through it myself and now being able to see certain signs, like within my friends, it's always like, hey, I'm gonna love you no matter what. Right. I'm gonna support you no matter what. I'm always going to be here because I know that in my situation too, whenever people would tell me you need to leave, it would make me want to stay. Even more. Yeah. Like I don't need to leave. I'm good.

1:16:35I can protect myself. Yeah. It was that concept of leaving was not even a thought.

1:16:42Steph McMahon:Well, and the abusive pattern, right, is there's a lot of rewards too. Oh, it's a lot of bombing. Yeah. You know, we had a dog at the time and dogs are my life. I love dogs too. We all really love them. I was about to say, your dog is. I have two. I want a bull mastiff so bad because of you. Well, I grew up with bull mastiffs and now we have mastiffs. Yeah, they're slightly bigger. Massive. Yeah, so I was like, I'm not leaving my dog. This is going to sound so messed up, but I'm like, you can put your hands on me as much as you want, but once you put your hands on my dog, we're gone. yeah so that happens and it's just like i've i couldn't leave my dog i refuse to leave my dog my dog is my baby yeah um so if i have to stay in a in a violent relationship you couldn't take the dog i'm gonna use you didn't think about it i i was broke yeah i was you couldn't yeah i was wrestling you know wrestling on the weekends and working a nine to five but even there were times where I would go, you know, Liva would be out of town or something and I would just go stay at a rickety holiday inn or something for 50 bucks for two nights or whatever and just bring my dog.

1:18:05But that was going into my emergency credit card fund. Right. So like I couldn't leave. It was either just suck it up until I could figure out what to do or go back to Virginia. And even if I went back to Virginia, I couldn't bring my dog. Right. So I wasn't leaving my dog no matter what. So it was a lot of debt that I went into just trying to have, you know, just get away for a night or something. And then figuring out what to do with my dog. And yeah. So how did you get out?

1:18:41Thankfully, I, hold on, wait, I gotta, I like blocked it out so much. And there was a time where I filed a restraining order after an incident.

1:18:56I got locked in a closet. And so the closet didn't have a lock on it. So I didn't know how he, I think he put something in front of the door or something. But like I got locked in a closet and I was able to break my way out of it. and uh reactively like i it's in the closet in my and i didn't have my phone so in the closet what went through my head was if if i don't get out of here my parents are getting a phone call that i'm dead and immediate rage because it's like i refuse to give him the power to hurt my parents like you can hurt me but I'm very big on don't hurt the people that I love right so I just got in like blacked out broke out of the closet and once I saw him I just like went after him but of course he like overpowered me and then used a towel to choke me and then after that happened did you lose consciousness no um I fought back um because he was on top of me and like he mounted my chest area.

1:20:11I couldn't really move aside from my hands, which the only thing I could grab. So desperation, I did that. And then he, of course, how could you do that? And that's like, bro. Okay. And after that incident, that's when I finally filed a restraining order, was able to get out. I had to, I, I didn't know if he would pop up wherever I was, because I was doing a lot of local shows in the Orlando area. So I wasn't sure if he was going to pop up. I did. I wasn't sure if he was going to get a gun. I wasn't sure what was going to happen. So I immediately just wanted to pack myself and leave go somewhere um and found a super cheap apartment um got into I got help from someone else and like Shelton has helped me a lot with you know always even though he was living in Texas he's like you let me know I will buy you a flight and you stay with me as long as you need but once again I'm like I can't leave my dog right you know and it was an English bulldog so they can't fly and i i couldn't afford to i didn't know they couldn't fly yeah they i i think i wonder if it's different now but back then like if they're high risk so there's a possibility that they could pass just from like flying oh my god yeah so all all like the frenchies and the bulldogs like those squishy nose yeah those are high risk and i was like i can't like i i thought about it but I'm like I don't I knew to get to me he's gonna do something to my dog and I could not I could not leave her um so that was that was a turning point for me when um when you felt like

1:22:03Steph McMahon:it was truly life or death something came over you and you felt it in your gut and you knew you had to get out and that was reinforced when he had that towel around your neck yes that was the first time that I that that thought went across my head that like my family's gonna get a phone call and that I think that changed something in my mind that's like I'm done and how many times had you tried to leave before that?

1:22:36Four? Like it never got to the point where I actually left, but like...

1:22:41Steph McMahon:Yeah, so this moment happens and now what? After that, I just like, keeping cool, keeping calm, but in my head, I'm going over a game plan. I'm making a to-go bag. I'm Googling like how, and he would go through my phone or whatever so like I will google how to file because I didn't know how to do any of that yeah google it and then erase my history right and like so I'm coming up with these plans and even like Shelton was helping me like hey make sure you look into this and look into that like da da da da um so once he went to work or like I think it was either work or wrestling or something where he was gone for the day I just I went and filed good for you yeah it was it was it was rough but But at the end of the day, like I don't think I could I could have made it out without the support system that I had at the time.

1:23:36Yeah, it matters very much because for once, even though for an example with Shelton, even though I had to cut him off, like I couldn't be friends with him anymore. Because of the relationship.

1:23:48Steph McMahon:Yeah. So it was dictated to you to not be. Yes. And so when I finally reached out and told him everything and immediately he was just like, you let me know what you need. Like, I know I'm not there, but I am here. So him just kind of talking me through everything and letting me know that, one, I'm not alone, which is why I emphasize to anyone else that's in trouble, I emphasize they're not alone. Because that helped. Even though they feel they are. Yes. And that changed everything for me because that moment was like, I have to fight. Like, I have to fight because. For yourself. Yes. Like people, people will, people love me and I refuse.

1:24:35And I matter. Yeah. It was, it was eyeopening to see just how many people, when my friends started to realize what was going on, how much they really helped me physically, mentally. like Leva made sure that I had a place to stay that freaking night and like let me bring my dog over even though she got cats and so like it just seemed like the community like came together to make sure that I was safe and okay and it was um yeah it really made me feel like I mattered and I'm loved and people would actually care if something happened to me. So yeah. Yeah.

1:25:22Steph McMahon:They showed up. Yeah. And how did you meet Shelton? Chicken wings. This was in, I want to say 2010 or 11. Like I just started like doing shows and this one show in Maryland, they brought in, I think I wrestled Mickie James and they brought in Shelton and Charlie. and they and I think because they brought in all of the WWE people they actually had catering what a treat yeah so of course I have my plate and I'm like in line for the chicken wings and then Shelton's right behind me and we both go to grab a chicken wing at the same time yeah and it was just like we just um that's mine so we each took a chicken wing and just like kind of like ate and they like started talking with each other and I don't know how it diverted to the relationship we have now where we just insult each other all the time but it was it felt natural and like from the jump I felt like he watched my match with Mickey and immediately was like oh she actually cares about this like she's doing this because she loves it not because she just wants to be on the cover of magazines or whatever like she actually is passionate about this so I think him seeing that he's always given me advice from oh my gosh he's another one where I would say stuff to like the younger generation of wrestlers like oh my god I'm chosen now I'm chosen I wouldn't have fun of him for being like the old school guy I was like I just want to wrestle I don't care about making money I just want to wrestle and I have great matches he's like uh your body you're once you hit 30 he's like you gotta make sure you wrestle for longevity and psychology and make sure you right so he would always like hone in because he knew I wanted to be in WWE So he made sure to tell me about like the psychology of my matches, why I did this, why didn't I do this and like kind of make sure that I was TV ready.

1:27:23That's so great. Yeah. Because in my head, I'm like, I don't care. Let me gig. I'm ready to do it. I don't care. I'll do anything. Exactly. And now like I'm talking to the younger generations. I'm telling them the same thing. Same thing.

1:27:36Steph McMahon:Yeah. I always text Shelton. I'm like, thanks, Shelton. For what? your advice helped once again now now it's reflecting off of me to them that's great yeah yeah he's been in my life for since man almost two decades now so that's that's my brother my family loves him he is yeah he's my family yeah oh i love that i didn't know that that's awesome yeah we're he's yeah we're tight yeah that's awesome yeah that's i always say like that's my big brother. He, my family loves him. Um, it's my dad tried to get him and my sister to get together. Oh, thank God for Biggie. He stepped in there, but he does love your sister, Biggie.

1:28:30Steph McMahon:Oh, we interviewed him, um, over the summer. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And he was like, you could tell it hearts in his eyes good yeah they once they got together it's funny because me kofi and woods talk about it all the time because like getting to know e very like wasn't interested in relationships just wants to like do his own thing and then my sister was very much the same way and she has rightfully so high standards in a man so once she sees a red flag she's out she that's it she don't care yeah which i love that about yeah yeah and so i in my head i'm like there's no guy for her because she deserves the perfect guy yeah and so when they met and they because they met at um so I introduced them at Wrestlemania I think it was in Hollywood a couple years ago when they actually like met and then they got to hang out at uh Bianca's uh premiere for her oh yeah her love show yeah and so they actually got to like sit together and talk and i felt like i was cock blocking because like we had somewhere to go i was like i'm so sorry but like we gotta go we gotta go yeah but they were able to like exchange numbers and stuff and then they started to flourish and i was like they from the jump like perfect match yeah they i think individually they were their own people and they were okay being alone yeah now that they found each other they're just like the perfect match that's so great i love i love seeing my sister in love and he's such a great guy he's a great guy he's really good at scrabble yeah and my family has been trying to beat him so scrabble's your family game scrabble is his game but my dad my dad is really good at it okay my sister is really good at it not good enough not good enough the goal is they got it they got to be they got to be so you did you grow up playing scrabble though like as a family i didn't no it happened later yeah okay i know like my dad has always loved those kind of games and were there family games there were but it was um like the games that we used to play uh-oh i'm scared no no i'm just like aging myself but in uh we used to play together like the Nintendo 64.

1:30:46We would play like Mario Kart. Yep. And that the I am having a brain fart, but it's like a board game, but with Mario. Yes, Mario Party. Oh, very good. Yeah. So we would play like the Nintendo 64 games together. OK. And then our next door neighbor in L.A. had so we were the Nintendo 64. They were like the PlayStation. OK. So we would go over to his house and play like Dance Dance Revolution or like Tomb Raider and stuff like that. So we would play the PlayStation games next door and then the Nintendo 64 games. So we, oh, me and my sister used to play WrestleMania 2000, Nintendo 64 all the time.

1:31:28Wow. So yeah, it would, it would, yeah, good times. I would beat you up a lot. I love that I was a yule for your fire. but yeah we used to be a really like before the divorce we were very tight-knit then divorce happened and we all like lost our minds and then after college now we're all together yeah yeah

1:31:51Steph McMahon:because even i'm sorry no go ahead what did your parents say when they found out what you had been through oh gosh I well I will never forget like

1:32:15it's crazy because with my parents like I knew I knew my parents were going to be heartbroken and they were um but it still like oh my god I remember when my sister found out and like we were on the phone and she immediately just started crying like how could this happen like why like not not to me but like I could tell that her thought she was thinking out loud And she just started crying. And it like broke me. And I think that's when it was like.

1:32:55Steph McMahon:And that was that before you left or after? This was.

1:33:03I want to say. This was after. Because when I filed. It was challenged. When I filed, it was challenged. and I had documentation of like all the marks and everything. But of course I'm like, I don't know how much this is going to do because he can easily, exactly. Right. And so we had to go to court so I can fight to keep it in place. And having to go to court, I'm like, I have to tell my family. Damn, I have to tell my family.

1:33:45Steph McMahon:um so then that because I wasn't going to tell them I didn't were you embarrassed yeah I was because though you shouldn't have been but right no I can't help how you feel and how you're made to feel yeah even to have it challenged yeah it was just for him to call you a liar yeah it was one of those things where it was like being the and I always make it a joke with the family but being the oldest I feel like I'm the firstborn son so I have to be the protector now now that my parents are older and my sister you know is younger than me I have to be the protector that's the role yeah yeah but having to um tell them that like I know I'm supposed to be the protector of the family but like hey by the way I'm I'm getting beat at home but I can still protect you guys you know it was embarrassing for that but also they knew the matches that I was having right So I didn't know if they were going to react like if they were going to believe you.

1:34:44Yeah. But they they never questioned it. Yeah. They never questioned it. So it was reassuring to know that my family, you know, still had my back. But it was still embarrassing. You know, I'm the most in shape in the family and I'm the most active and I can't, you know, daddy put me through taekwondo and I was doing Muay Thai and all this other stuff. And I can't protect myself at home. So like what what is all that for? you know that's how you felt yeah I just felt like of a weak fraud so you are anything but that

1:35:18Steph McMahon:thank you have you been able to get to a place where you see that now yes good I'm in I am in a really good place now like therapy has helped me through so much good um I'm happy I feel love every time I get to come home, but also go to work, like just being surrounded by my coworkers and my friends, you know? And they know, they all know like what I've been through, but I just, I do feel worthy and powerful and that I belong and loved. And can you love yourself? Yes. Good. Yes. Good, good, good. It took me a while, but I love myself. It's always the hardest lesson. It really is. It really is.

1:36:06Steph McMahon:Well, I'm sorry you had to go through so much. And I'm so proud of you and grateful for you. And you're setting this incredible example for all young women, you know, and for men too, whoever's in an abusive situation. It's important to get help. Yes. And to know you're not alone. And what are some of the other key messages? that even though you feel alone you are not there are people your support system is always going to be there um there is outlets too like like I say I praise therapy that if it wasn't for therapy I wouldn't be here um so that really helps a lot if they're comfortable talking to people but there's you know you're not alone and there are people that you could talk to to feel you could talk to people yeah um I don't know I feel like it's hard when you don't trust yeah right but hard to trust when when the person you trust the most supposedly right is the one doing that to you yeah so it's it's okay like it's okay to be guarded and to protect yourself and to not know where you stand in a room full of people but at the end of the day like there are family friends and even you know people like me that I want people to know that you are believed like I believe you I believe in you and if I can make it out you can too it's possible it's possible just hold on to the light at the end of the tunnel hold on to that light that's so important so here you are the weekend is coming fast Wrestlemania is almost here yep and you are a part of an angle that is really high profile right and I don't know like the three of you guys seem to have some great chemistry.

1:38:26Steph McMahon:So I really am hoping that this has legs, right? How are you feeling about it? That's at all. Well, I, oh man, this is the first time, I love the hustle and bustle of WrestleMania week. And I think for the past three manias, it always fell on my birthday. like my birthday is tomorrow but i happy early birthday thanks but i always forget because like wrestlemania is priority so until people's like happy birthday it's like oh yeah that's right exactly but this is probably the first time that the possibility of even being a like actually a part of the show is so exciting oh my god it's everything it is right because i i went through in wwe like i love i love what i do i love being here and i love just wrestling and hanging out with my friends but there was a moment where i'm like i'm never gonna have a wrestlemania moment and that's okay because I'm still living my dream and for this to happen and it happened so fast like I feel like that always right right so fast out of nowhere that I'm like oh my god there's an actual possibility that I can do something at Wrestlemania I'm like what yeah and so even even if it's just coming out on Jade's entrance or uh getting involved in any way or anything I'm that that is more than what I ever thought was ever going to happen to me.

1:40:11So I'm excited. I love that I get to finally be a heel.

1:40:18Steph McMahon:So much more fun, by the way, even though you, there are little girls who are rooting against you, apparently. Wishing horrible things, writing letters. I know. I'm like, if I ever meet them, I will be the biggest sweetheart. but it's just it's so much fun that like before i just got out of an injury so i'm like well there you know whatever i was doing before like that's dead and over with and i guess i'll just hope for the best and see what happens but we'll see and then that's when they told me in bfab yeah you're joining jade it's like jade the champion card like like oh we can because even we would take pictures together just backstage just for us and the three of you yeah like really we did some um we did like a random backstage or promo or something uh and we took pictures afterwards and just like with our own style it still worked something about the three of you together works yeah it really does and a lot of people wanted us to dress the same and jade has her her own style of like I mean damn very yeah yeah yeah so me as a tomboy I baggy pants and a crop top like I'm good like sneakers you ain't gonna see me in heels I'll break my ankles but but Jade is doing all this stuff in stilettos and then you got B-Fab wearing like thigh high heels looking fly and I'm like well here's me yeah like I'll just you know I I'm comfortable but you've upgraded your whole look too did i oh yeah you have when i think about you from nxt to where you are today yeah i mean it's there is a a huge difference it's all about just being authentic yeah i think it was just putting a mask on and like nxt was me but i had to rev it up like sure to the max where it just came off fake and now without you know i don't have the wigs i don't the blue hair i can i can wear whatever i want and feel comfortable and not judged um and that's something that me and the girls have talked about where it's like i don't if i wear the clothes that you guys wear you're good it's going to be obvious it's not gonna you're not gonna be comfortable like you can tell i will not be comfortable yeah trying to picture you in one of her fur i mean it might be funny i mean that that we could we could save that for a cute little video yeah there we go that could be fun that could be fun but social media viral moment but so having the conversation of like hey just letting you because in tna i had to wear the skirts and being super cutesy slash sexy with the dollhouse which was a great experience but it wasn't you it wasn't and i felt i felt like i was wrestling in a clown suit because it just wasn't you yeah and it was to the point where the reason why i don't wear super sexy stuff anymore especially when i'm being physical is i remember in tna i still wrestled the same but i had to wear a skirt i did a german bridge and then the match was great but then when i finished and everybody was just talking like people were taking up skirt photos from just that part and ever since then i just felt violated yeah and i'm just i don't like i that's not me anyway so i'm just gonna stick with like i like the old school 90 early 2000s like baggy pants like aaliyah look yeah yeah um so and i told them like listen like i think our own individual styles still work together it's like the spice girls yeah it's like together we look great but individually we still look great too yeah so there's your own people yeah yeah there's no reason to change anything like yeah we can wear the same colors but let's wear our own our own stuff because it still works yeah um so i really i'm really enjoying this group and enjoying being a heel and getting to be with a champion and seeing how she oh she is uh how do i say she she lives the high life i'm taking notes she's drinking the Fiji water and I'll take the tap it's cool well I can't wait to see where you go what you do how far this group goes and you know I'm just always a big fan and supporting you and especially you know given everything you've been through and and who you are and how kind you are and just your heart and soul thank you yeah I'm very excited to see what me and the group do and yes i'm still praying for a stephanie slap one day that's a bucket list please no no no yeah no pop my eardrum please no

1:45:20that slap i did to freaking jimmy that was inspired by you it was a good one listen michael was telling me like don't mess up i was like don't worry i got I got Stephanie up here. I got somebody back here. I'm channeling in my inner Stephanie. That's awesome. Thank you so much for having me.

1:45:37Steph McMahon:No, thank you. Thank you.

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