Six Feet Under - Undertaker's Q&A | Brock Lesnar memories, Sting match & McMahon disagreements

32:37Like most of these guys, I don't know. I don't, I don't have relationships with most of these guys, but we do have, you know, we are linked together in this business. And, you know, if you want my opinion, I'll, I'll give it to you. It may not be what you want to hear. Those are the concepts that work for me. And, um, you know, you have to figure, they have to figure that out. Like they have to figure out the concept that I'm talking about, but then they have to figure out how to make it work for them. Wrestling business is not, is, is not easy. It is not an easy thing to figure out because you could have three guys.

33:15You could have three guys. I will say Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Kurt Angle. They can all give you advice, and each one of their advice could be completely different, and they all can be completely 100 % right, and you look and you think like, okay, these guys all gave me different advice on the same thing. And then you look and you're like, and each of those things worked. You have to be able to consume advice, but then you have to figure out how to make it work for what you do and what your presentation is. It's not easy. It's a very difficult thing to do. So, young guys, if the old-timers give you advice, listen and then figure it out.

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35:03So which moments will you collect? With each card only available for a limited time, you won't want to wait to begin your Topps Now journey. Be sure to subscribe to WWE Topps Now mailing list on Topps.com and follow Topps on all social media platforms so you never miss a single moment. What's your favorite memory of working with Stone Cold Steve Austin? my favorite memory of working with steve honestly we didn't have a lot of uh like pay-per-views or really really intense one-on-one angles we did some we did some stuff but um one of my favorite things working with steve well you one you definitely were going to be on top right you're definitely in the you're definitely in a top spot if you're working with steve that was always good.

35:59Your payoffs were going to be good. Your reactions, your fan reactions are going to be amazing. I enjoyed working with Steve more in house shows than I did on TVs or, or, or pay-per-views in, in the house shows back in the day. I mean, that's when you really got to go out and be creative and be spontaneous and just really, really just do the, do the craft of professional wrestling. Um, and it was always so, it was so fun with him because his character is intense as it was, you know, he could be a funny son of a bitch in the ring. He just could. He would do shit. Like I remember out of nowhere once doing old school to me, but with a Steve twist to it, like where I would old school on the top rope, Steve old schooled on the bottom rope with who did everything exactly the same, except he just did it off of the bottom rope.

37:13and uh you know it's just one of those things like you get caught in the middle of a match and somebody does something off the wall like that and you're just like dude come on but you know that's that that was what some of the you know doing being in the house shows you could you could do some things like that here and there and and funny enough like you it just helps you those kind of things it it breaks a little bit of the uh monotony sometimes of being on the road for as long as we were back then.

37:48Yeah, with Steve, those were my favorite moments. Those were my second favorite moments. Going to the mailbox and getting the check after working with Steve, that was probably my favorite moment. What is the funniest thing you saw Paul Barrett do? I don't know if it was the funniest thing that Paul ever did. it was probably one of the funnier things that happened to Paul. So this is right after Paul had betrayed me and went with mankind. I mean, this is way back. We didn't have the same security at this point as we do today. Like today, our security is awesome. But there were a time where we didn't have anybody.

38:29We would sometimes have to park across the street from some of these civic arenas and stuff like that. And, you know, the, the, the fans had complete access to us and, um, you know, you had to deal with, with that. And I remember I pulled up to the arena, I pull up to the arena and I'm getting my bag out of the back of the rental car. And, um, this girl appears like, I mean, just like, boom, she was right there. And she goes, this has been a long time ago. I'm trying to get, I don't know if I was, she referred to me as Lord Undertaker or Lord of Darkness, something like, it was like, oh boy.

39:19And I turn, right? Because I'm a little taken back that someone's right up on me. But, you know, she goes, I will follow you anywhere. And then she pulls her top down and shows the top of her, I think it was her left breast where she had a gigantic tattoo of my face. And I'm like, oh, this is a nut bird right here. Yeah. So I was like, yeah, okay. I appreciate that. You know, I get my stuff and I go into the arena. So I'll go into the arena. and I think it was Arnie Skolan who was the agent. And he'd come up and he'd say, hey, kid, you got some flowers in the production office. So I was like, well, thanks, Arnie.

40:15So I go into the production office and there is like this giant bouquet of roses, spray-painted black. And then there's a package. It's all wrapped up really nice. So I left the flowers in the production office and I take the package and I go to the dressing room. So I opened this package up and it is a, I guess, a vial or like a container of that perfume was once in that, you know, the women, I guess they, it wasn't like a spray. It was like you, I guess you put it on the lid and then you put it on. I don't know what the official term for that is, but anyway, the perfume was all gone and it had been filled with blood.

41:09so I have a vial I guess or some kind of perfume container full of blood and now I'm like wow okay and I'm putting it all together like I'm sure that's my friend in the parking lot's blood so I'm showing everybody my my perfume bottle full of blood everybody's like you know because The blood was very unusual, but the flowers and a lot of the things that I got sent to me at the arenas back then were pretty interesting. I mean, I had some really cool stuff sent to me. But anyway, so everybody's freaking out about the perfume bottle full of blood. And anyway, we go out and I make my entrance and Paul Bearer is part of some, somehow or another, he's involved in this match.

42:10I don't know if I was working against whoever he was managing. I don't know if it was mankind at this point or not, but he was managing somebody or he came out and this girl that was in the parking lot is on the front row. and the next thing that I know, she jumps over the barricade and double legs Paul. She's got him wrapped up at the ankles. If you guys remember Paul, especially at this time period, he was a little top heavy and she's got him hooked and his feet are completely together. So his balance is not that great. And he is trying to get this girl off of him and she is not letting go. And I think she finally got him and took him down before the police could get there to take her and remove her from the building.

43:15But actually watching Paul fight this fan off was just, it was, you can't even, it was so funny. It was just one of those things like, am I actually really seeing this? Am I watching this fan double leg Paul Bearer and him fighting her off? It was really one of the funniest things that I can remember. he was fighting for his life and and i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure he actually ended up going down and it was just i don't i don't think he heard the end of that for a long time being taken down and uh manhandled by this girl but uh yeah it was that's just one of those one of those paul bearer stories that kind of sticks in my mind and it was he was so you know the funny thing is he deserved it so much.

44:12Not only just for turning on me, but just in general, it couldn't have happened to a better person than Paul.

44:23What is your favorite Yokozuna memory? Oh my gosh, Yoko. My favorite memory with Yoko. I have so many fond memories of Yoko. I miss him To this day, I miss him so much. So this is later on, and I think this is after our run. So we weren't working against each other. But all of the BSK boys, we're all on the same loop. And we were in Tampa, and we had to go to, I want to say, I want to say Fort Lauderdale. So I don't know. There's like four or five, they're either Lincoln Town cars or Cadillacs. We've all rented. And we are cruising down to Fort Lauderdale. And I was by myself. We get out of Tampa.

45:16We pull over. And then Yoko, again, we aren't working together at this point. But it was just the way I did things. Anyway, Yoko ends up jumping in the car with me. And so we're all cruising in this convoy down the interstate and across Alligator Alley through Yeehaw Junction. The boys that work the Florida Territory will recognize all of those things. But anyway, so we're driving along. And like whoever is – I'm driving. So whoever is in the – there's a rule. the co-pilot can't sleep. The co-pilot is responsible for keeping the driver entertained and making sure that no one falls asleep while they're driving.

46:11I mean, that's just kind of the rule. So we're about 20 minutes down the road, and Yoko has put his – this is how far back it is – his cassette tape. He puts it in the player, and it's all of – this is like the early stages of gangster rap. I mean, he had the hard core stuff, and he had them all on these cassette tapes. So he puts this in. He put the tape in. He's got it cranked up, and then he's sitting there, and then he falls asleep. and I'm like I'm driving and now you know I'm listening to this and I'm like oh my gosh so you know turn the music down and then he wakes up he turns the music back up and I'm like yo come on man he goes no Marcus he's like this shit is good and I'm like no man it really isn't like this is not yeah at this point I'm a metalhead right like that's all I listen to but anyway it actually did grow on me.

47:21I have to, I have to admit, but at the time it was just like, come on between his snoring and, and the, and the, and the gangster rap was just not, it wasn't happening for me. So anyway, all right, I'm still driving. He falls back asleep again. I'm like, no, man, this ain't, this ain't, this ain't the way this is supposed to work. So So I take the tape out, and then I just put it on a radio station, and then I took it off of the radio station, and then I just put it on static. And I turned the radio up, I mean, really loud. And then I turned, and this is in the, we were in summer. I think it was like July, August, in Florida.

48:08So I turned the heat all the way up.

48:13and man, he is over there just cutting Zs and I'm driving and I'm sweating and I'm miserable, but I'm like, I know at some point he's going to wake up. And so I'm driving and he's over there sawing logs, but I look over there and I can see his forehead is all just beaded up with sweat and sweat starting to roll down. And I'm just like, I know he's going to wake up at any moment, right? So I'm just driving along. And then all of a sudden, And I was like, God damn it, Marcus. What are you doing? Right? So he's turning, like the radio's up. I mean, it's so loud. Like it was giving me a headache. So he's trying to figure out what's going on with the radio.

48:53Like he was out. So he's trying to figure out what's going on with the radio and why it's so hot in there. So he turns it all, you know, he figures it out. He gets the tape back playing down, the volume down a little bit. And he finally figures out that the heat's on full blast. He gets the air going back and on. He's cutting promos on me. Anyway, so everything kind of cools off again. Everything kind of goes back into the thing. He falls asleep again. So I do everything all over again. I take the tape out. I think this time I took the tape out and I threw it out the window. So it's statics playing on the radio.

49:31The heat's cranked up, man. And again, there I looked over and he is just like a waterfall. just wakes up. I think he actually physically hit me at that point, like a half-assed chop. And now I'm taking the car, now I'm swerving all over the road. We end up stopping for gas, I remember. And he got out of the car. He got in with somebody else. And I remember him asking me for his tape. And I told him that it fell out of the window. I didn't tell him I threw it, but he wasn't happy about that either. But just, you know what, that was such a – those were such fun times. The business was struggling.

50:18We'd lost a bunch of talent to WCW, and we were all just fighting to keep our head above water. Some of my fondest times in the WWE were here, and, again, we weren't making any money at all. But, man, the camaraderie and the guys and the stuff that we got to do together was, man, it was just an amazing time. And Yoko was such an incredible person and awesome friend. Man, it was really a shame that he was taken from us so soon. Again, I miss him. And I look back at times like that and just laugh sometimes because it's such an awesome time for a bunch of guys to be trying to survive and make a living and having a really good time while we did it.

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52:40How close did you actually come to go into WCW? We were going through such an incredibly difficult time. They were down there doing really cutting-edge stuff, more mature, I guess, for no better term, mature storylines and stuff that was much more mainstream. And we were, we had all of these, and I know this will sound funny coming from a character, but like we had these really just over the top characters that weren't really resonating well with, with the audience. And again, business was horrible. The direction at the time was horrible. And I remember talking with Kevin Nash, but he's like, Mark, man, you need to make that jump now.

53:31Like, you know, I think, I think, you know, you can, you know, this is, this is the kind of money, you know, they're handed out there. And I think, you know, you would, you, you could do well down here, you know? And I was like, you know, I listened to it. I would be lying if I didn't think like, wow, that's, again, we're, we're, we're working at the time we're working 20, 25 days a month and barely making enough money to survive. Um, it was difficult and I knew that they were, you know, they were down there giving money away, um, just so that talent wouldn't be available to WWE. And, um, I, so I listened and, and honestly, I, I, I, I considered it and, um, But at the end of the day, I just thought I'll never forget.

54:33And although the same people weren't in charge at WCW at this point, I'll never forget. And I've told the story many times. And obviously, people know this story really well. But being told that you'll never draw money in this business really struck a nerve with me. and the one guy that believed in giving me a chance, because Vince wasn't completely sold on me either, but the one guy that gave me a chance was Vince and the WWE. That meant more to me than the instant money that I could have made, which could have got me out of debt and all of those things. I knew I had confidence in the company, and I had confidence in Vince that this would, the ship would ride itself.

55:27And I would be down there and I would be miserable because I had made a poor decision. Vince believed in me and I felt obligated to stand by him even when business was so bad. But I knew that we could turn it around and I just like, you know what? it's a great deal, but I just can't, I can't do it. I got to stay here and I got to be part of something that's going to be, that's going to be huge. And that's what I believed. And that's exactly what ended up happening. When the NWO came back to WWE, what were your thoughts? You know, I thought it was a great idea. Vince is an incredible businessman.

56:19And where things would, like throughout time, throughout my time with Vince and WWE, there were a lot of things that come about where wrestlers had done this or had said this about him or said this about the WWE. and Vince always had that ability to like, you know what, what they can provide for us or what they can do for us at this point is far greater than what they've said about us. Like he was, when it comes to business, like he could get by the personal beef or whatever. Like he just, it was what, and, you know, I know it's kind of been said as a catchphrase, but what's best for business was a true statement with him.

57:13And all of those guys, Kevin Nash and Scott Hall and Hogan, I mean, those were all big names in our industry. And he felt that if they could tap into that stuff and bring it to WWE and help us, then he was all for it. So, you know, at this point, I mean, I trusted his judgment and the battle. We had already won the battle. So, you know, if they can help us, then, you know, let's go. You know, I didn't have personal beefs with, I didn't have any kind of personal beef with Nash or Scott. So, you know, I didn't care one way or another in that aspect. I mean, I didn't hold a grudge because they kicked our ass for so long.

57:57And I was just like, hey, if they make us better, I'm all for it. And that was Vince's. That's the way he looked at it, too. What was your take on the curtain call at MSG? I wasn't there. And it was probably a good thing that I wasn't. It goes against everything that I believe about the business, especially at the time that it happened. I thought it was selfish. I get it. I mean, these guys were, they were all best friends and they'd been through a lot together and traveled up and down the roads together. I mean, I get where they were coming from, but I just thought that they put themselves ahead of the business at that, for that time period.

58:41I think in today's product, I don't think it, you know, it's, it is what it is. But I mean, if it happened today, then it's just like, oh, well, yeah, you know, everybody's out of pocket about the business. You know, it's me included. I mean, I'm part of that. But, you know, it's just back then it was a different time and it was a different era. And, you know, I just looked at it as I thought it was a selfish move. And, you know, that's business. I don't care. I don't hold any personal grudges about it. You know, it's happened and we've moved on and the business has boomed. And, you know, it is what it is.

59:24But at the time, no, I didn't care for it at all. When Sting came to WWE, did you think you were finally going to have a match with him? And why didn't the match happen? Yeah, I mean, obviously, the people had already been clamoring for that match for a long time. And it seems like a no-brainer. Like, why on earth would you not do that? But for whatever reason, Vince did not see it. didn't like it, didn't want it. And I was like, man, this is a, this is a home run. This is an easy main event for a pay-per-view, but I don't really have an answer. Like I don't, like I never really had a in-depth conversation with Vince about why he didn't want to do it.

1:00:15My goodness, The Sting versus Undertaker. I mean, again, he obviously knows more about business than I do, but that one just seems like a home run that was just, you know, they decided to walk the guy instead of pitch to him. I don't know. I don't know what happened there. But, I mean, I don't have any regrets. It wasn't my decision. But, my goodness, I would have loved to have, you know, been able to have that match. And, you know, I guess it just wasn't meant to be. but what could have been? I mean, it really, it was, seemed like a no brainer, but it'll be now, it'll be discussed for the rest of time.

1:01:00A what if, a what if could have happened? What if, what if these two guys would have been able to do it? You know, but I remember running into, into staying, I think it was after the WrestleMania that we didn't work. I remember us being, we were on the same plane together talking, you know, I was like, I don't know.

1:01:26Like, this is beyond me. I don't know. I don't know why, you know, but it is what it is, man, I guess. Yeah, I think Sting, that's probably got to be the biggest miss of a WrestleMania. those two characters that would have done some incredible business i just you know i'm sorry i don't know wasn't me wasn't it wasn't me what was macho man randy savage like to work with uh he was intense man um he was a perfectionist like in the ring like he wanted to put on the absolute best match of the night and which that Those are the kind of people that you want to work with. And it didn't matter that it was in a house show or a live event, man.

1:02:16You always want to work with somebody that wants to go out and steal the show. And Mach's work ethic was just, man, it was incredible. I learned in those dark, man, I learned a lot about the intensity and how to react to someone with that kind of energy. And I wish we would have got to do a bigger program. Obviously, we got to, you know, the program was between Motch and Jake the Snake. It was the point for which they were going to use to turn me babyface. But I would have loved to have worked a singles program with Motch just to hear the interviews that he would cut on me. That would be incredible.

1:02:52I was really sad when he left because I just always felt like there was something there between that we could have done together that would have been really big business. But yeah, and Motch was special. What was your favorite supernatural feat as The Undertaker? I think probably for me was the being able to, there's a tie, I guess, between being able to appear in an empty casket I always thought that was extremely cool. And then being able to survive being buried alive. I think those two things really stand out as far as the mystique and the lore of The Undertaker. And I think the caskets especially.

1:03:49We did some really, really cool things with the caskets and caskets being opened and nothing being in the casket to the next time it's open, there I am. And being able to do those kind of things. I always thought that, like, man, those were such important nuggets for the character to be able to appear in places and disappear and do all those things. And I just think it was such a vital part of, obviously, the mystique of The Undertaker. It's like, wow, man, this guy can show up and do different things. And throwing lightning was pretty cool, too. I mean, not everybody can throw lightning. That's a gift.

1:04:32I don't know if I could still throw it, but I'm kind of rusty there, but that was cool as well. What was your favorite moment from the Ministry of Darkness? The ministry, that was a lot of fun. We really, really got to push the envelope with the ministry, with the symbolism and all of the innuendo and everything else. We got more flack during that ministry period, but it was just the darkness of all of that and putting people up on the symbol, which I put Stephanie. What a difference. What a change that would have been if I'd actually married Stephanie. i mean i'm sure like i would i would probably kicked her to the curb by now but she's gonna she's gonna appreciate that uh but um yeah i i mean that was that was some really really cool stuff that we did and the sacrifices and the just the overall darkness of, you know, it was, it really pushed a lot of people's buttons where the, you know, that original version of the Undertaker was like, oh, you know, that's kind of spooky and that's, you know, that's different.

1:06:01But man, the ministry kind of made, man, it made people feel things that like, oh, this dude's like, you know, this dude really is demented and like he's messed up. And, you know, it made it work. And I don't know that we could do today what we did back then as far as content. I mean, people would absolutely lose their freaking minds, I think, in this day and age. But it was fun while it lasted. Was there any creative from the Ministry of Darkness period that was shot down? Well, I mean, I really did want to sacrifice Midian. I mean, I thought that would have been really cool to watch on TV. But, yeah, they shut me down on that one.

1:06:53Said it was a little bit too extreme. I was like, man, but think of the ratings.

1:07:02You think?

1:07:07It wasn't so much. No, it wasn't so bad. You know, back then, pretty much everything that I pitched for that, we went with. Obviously, the part that I didn't like, and I've complained about many times, was when the ministry went corporate. That's when I thought it went all, it went, it watered it down and made it to wrestling then. I think we had something that was really edgy and, again, made people think and made people feel a certain way. And then when it became the corporate ministry, it was just like, yeah, it sucked. It really did. I hated it. But what you going to do, man? You got to roll with the flow and come up with something else.

1:08:02and get out of that and move on. But the ministry, yeah, that was a good time. Good times. Which opponent brought out the absolute best in you? There's a lot of guys that I had some really, really incredible chemistry with. But to actually bring it out of me in the ring, like to the point where I knew that I had to be sharp and could go, it's either got to be Shawn Michaels are Kurt Angle. My chemistry with Sean was just second to none. We were on such the same wavelength, the way we put matches together and all of that. We were so dialed in. And then Kurt was just a machine, man. I just, man, he could freaking go.

1:08:51You had to be able to go just to keep up with him. I think we had a match, I think it was in 2000, No Way Out, in 2006, Man, such an incredible match. One of the matches I'm most proud of. And, man, it was fast-paced, which, again, I like to work up to a fast pace. But with Kurt, man, it was just like right from bell to bell, man. It was just go time. But he was so good in the ring. but yeah it'd have to be it'd have to be Sean or Sean or Kurt for sure the 30-year anniversary of The Rock's WWE debut is later this year what were your first impressions of The Rock and do you have any favorite stories from working with him who The Rock who's he no I remember the night that he came out in Madison Square Garden But I saw him with the kind of the island gimmick on the tassel.

1:10:00I don't know what those what were those called? I don't even know what they were called, but they looked like tassels to me. And he came out with this rah-rah, yucky, baby face kind of energy. And I was like, oh, man, this guy's done for. I swear I thought like, man, I mean, you knew like he was talented. Like, you know, he was an athlete. He played football at Florida. but he came out with that yucky, yucky baby face presentation. And I was like, oh man, this guy, he is, he don't stand a chance. And it's, you know, it's one of those things duly noted. I was wrong. He had a fair run. I guess he's okay.

1:10:43You know?

1:10:47Yeah, I definitely missed on that one. I mean, he really turned into something extremely special. I wish he'd hung around a little longer, but you've got big dreams. You've got to go live them. And then I think for favorite moment, there's one that stands out, and it's not like because we did something really great. I just remember one particular night that I'm working against Rock, and I think it was a Monday Night Raw that we were in a match together. you know, he is absolutely just kicking the shit out of me and he's just going off and he's throwing punch after punch after punch after punch and I'm selling and I'm hitting, he's hitting me.

1:11:34And, and then I look at him and I realize that he's not even looking at me. He's looking over my shoulder at the Tron. He's basically watching himself kick my ass on the Tron. So he is like, Like, he is over here, like, wearing me out, but his head is looking this way. Like, he was really actually enjoying watching himself kick my ass. And I had to call him out, right? Like, you know what? Hey, dude, if you're going to kick my ass, will you at least look at me while you do it? Which he laughed, and we had a moment out of. But, you know, that was just one of those deals, like, are you kidding me right now?

1:12:17Like, you're not even going to look at me. You're going to watch yourself hit me with all these. It was just one of those moments that, you know, it was kind of funny. It was kind of funny to me anyway. Yeah. That always sticks out as like one of those things. It was like, bro, like I'm over here. Can you just turn your head a little bit? Act like you're, yeah. Okay. Thanks. WrestleMania, when I came out at the end of that at 40, that was fun, man. And that was a little walk down memory lane there. I'll tell you what, though, man, I think he got a little heavier.

1:12:56Either he got heavier or I'm not quite as strong as I used to be. I don't know what that was. But, no, that was a lot of fun. And to be able to get in there with the guys from that era and relive a little bit of that magic, that was fun. That was worth the run that I had to make to get to the ring on my brand new replaced knees. It all paid off because that was a really cool moment. Actually, that really gave me a lot of closure as well to my in-ring wrestling career. It was just kind of like, wow, this is fun and this is a good way to shut it all down. So, yeah, that was really cool. All right, everyone, that's a wrap on this Q &A.

1:13:50I actually really enjoyed this. So you guys keep sending in your questions, and we will do this again. This is one of my favorite formats to do. I like answering questions, and I like answering them better than I like asking them. So you guys keep sending them in and we will run this back in the very near future.

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