The Cavinder Twins

25:43Steph McMahon:Yeah. For sure. Yeah. They're the best. Yeah. No, they're awesome. But so I would love to like what happened with WWE? Did it just like things got in the way or like it fizzled out or i don't think it fizzled i mean i don't think it fizzled out i think it was kind of like there was so much going on in our lives when we were right we were going back to basketball and then we were trying to dabble with a whole bunch of like other things within our um business life but now we have way more time obviously hayley's getting married so yeah we're definitely interested um and i think it's just amazing because it allows us you to be you know entertainment you're an athlete it's competitive like it fits exactly the mold of who Haley and I are.

26:23So, yeah, I mean, who knows? Maybe we'll see another twins in the ring.

26:26Steph McMahon:Yes, it's been a long time. We need to get it back. Yeah, for sure. Twin magic. You know, we even had identical twin referees. Oh, really? Yeah. Earl and Dave Hebner a long time ago. Yeah. I didn't realize that. Yeah. The Hebners. That's cool. Yeah, it's fun. I'm going to have to look them up for this. Yeah. I didn't see that. Mayhem. No, yeah. The fan base is amazing, too. Like, I've never seen the fan base like WWE's. It's insane. It's the most, I mean, I'm a little biased, right? but it is the most passionate fan base. Yeah. I mean, really amazing how invested our fans are. It's like a big giant family.

27:01Yeah.

27:01Steph McMahon:We call it the WWE Universe, and there are different aspects of it, right? Because there is NXT, there's Monday Night Raw, there's SmackDown, there's WrestleMania, there's all the other shows, and now there's AAA in Mexico, and there's all of these different worlds that sort of exist, but the fan base is all tied together. Yeah, that's like our number one question. The first, like someone comes up to me like, when are you guys joining the WWE? Yes. Number one. Seriously, still to today, which is crazy because it's just like, it's so supportive in like Canada. I'm like, wow, everyone watches the WWE.

27:35Yeah. You know, it's crazy. Like the amount of people you grew up in it. So it's so familiar to you. I certainly did not like the amount of people you'll be at a grocery store and someone has a shirt. Like it's there's just always some connection. Maybe I just am more aware of it now because it's a big part of my life. But I feel like it's everywhere. And it's so cool how it brings everyone together. Right.

28:00Steph McMahon:Yeah, like if you were to say to that person, if I like your shirt, immediately there's like that bond, you know. And yeah, it's so fun because I feel like I grew up with our fans, you know. And our fans are a direct reflection of our talent, you know. and everybody is like just such good people, you know? And I think after this, if you want, I don't know, are they training over in the other building? Do we know? Because this is where they shoot NXT, but then we have another facility like a block away and that's where a lot of people are training. Because I ran into Matt yesterday and I was asking, I was telling him, I was interviewing you guys and he's like, whatever happened?

28:47Steph McMahon:And I'm like, I don't know. I'm going to ask them. And I said, but I want them to come see the performance center. Yeah. I was just in Super Bowl weekend in San Francisco and Seth Rollins was like interviewing. He was just like, oh my gosh. I'm like, I'm actually going down there in like two weeks. Yeah. And he was like, oh my gosh. Yeah. So. Yeah. It's crazy. It's such a small world. One, it's funny. It was the night. What was the same night? Saturday night's main event when I'm forgetting his name. the guy was climbing the skyscraper. Alex. Hanholt. Do you guys know his... Did you see this on Netflix?

29:24Steph McMahon:It was like a live. The guy who climbed Yosemite free solo. Yes, I've seen that. So he just recently... Because there was a documentary about this, right? Yes. Yeah, the free solo one, and maybe there was more than that. And then he just climbed a skyscraper live in where? Tokyo? Yeah. That's unbelievable. Taipei. And it was Seth Rollins did the commentary. And I didn't even know he was there doing it. And so it's like we were shooting Saturday night's main event and I was there because I was I was helping host. And then like, you know, simultaneously you have whatever else is streaming or what's on whatever your competition might be.

30:04Steph McMahon:And then it's like Seth Rollins, voice of Seth Rollins. And it's like, man, we really are everywhere. Yeah, we were like, oh, that sounds familiar. Yeah, he was doing the NFL's Today Show or something, right before Jake and I went on and got interviewed. Yeah. I was like, oh, my gosh. You're like, hey, I just keep running into you. I know, yeah. This feels like destiny. I know, yeah. It's going to be back, so we're excited. Yeah, yeah. We never know what the future holds. That's right. For sure. Yeah, but we should, I mean, and if it's not today or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, because I saw your entrance on SmackDown.

30:37Steph McMahon:Oh, yeah. I thought it was good. You thought it was good? A little bit? I think we could be better I was a little bit nervous I was blonde I mean this was cute Wait stop the colors I know Yeah cause of Miami I thought the walks were good I remember trying to get that phone out of that pocket Oh my gosh Why don't I remember this whole routine We like choreographed ourselves Oh I remember that one

31:12Steph McMahon:you guys are so cute we're gonna have to recreate this I love it we have to think of some tag team names and stuff are you gonna be good guys or bad guys that's a great question what do you think would be more fitting for us yeah you guys know that it's gotta be what you feel and I ask this because if you needed like a heel to teach you how well I just love to be I prefer to be the bad guy because it's very hard to be yourself and like you're trying to get the audience to like you you know it's hard to do it's much easier to be hated but you guys in the real world it's just correlated it's so easy Yeah.

32:04I feel like Logan Paul is a great example of that. Yeah, he's a great deal. He came into the business influencer. He's this pure athletic talent, but he, like, as the crowd is booing him, he's just like, he makes you hate him even more. Like, it's perfect. Yeah. I don't know. Same kind of world. I guess we have to feel it out. I'm trying to think. Maybe not give it away. Yeah, no, see, that's what I think. Keep people on their toes.

32:29Steph McMahon:You have to keep them guessing. Yeah. Yes. For sure. But you're there to make an impact. Oh, yeah. We're coming in hot. The number one sports fan festival, Fanatics Fest, returns to the Javits Center in New York City from July 16th to the 19th, 2026. Fanatics has just announced the return of Fanatics Games, bringing back its high stakes cross sport competition where everyday fans go head to head with some of the biggest names in sports. The 2026 Fanatics Games introduces an expanded format with a$2 million total prize pool and new nationwide qualifying opportunities for fans to compete alongside elite athletes.

33:14The inaugural winner, Tom Brady, as well as reigning fan champion Matt Denish will be back.

33:21Steph McMahon:WWE superstars Rhea Ripley, Liv Morgan, Cody Rhodes, and Jey Uso will also be joining the competition for a shot at the title. Head to FanaticsFest.com to apply to compete or grab your tickets to Fanatics Fest. You don't want to miss out. So you guys, are your other sisters as athletic as you guys are? So they played sports growing up. We all played basketball. One of my favorite years of us playing basketball was our senior year in high school. And the starting lineup was like Haley Cavender, Brandy Cavender, Hannah Cavender. So it was like three of us starting. it was so much fun that's so cool yeah um but they just didn't have um passionate like to yeah they didn't love it as much as you yeah they put they were like dancers to cheerleaders so okay um but no they're all very athletic board games get crazy oh pickleball gets intense yeah and my mom is like so athletic too so oh yeah yeah i thought my dad we got it from my dad like his competitiveness my mom is yeah she wants to go at anything she's like the worst teammate like we were just playing pickleball.

34:27Like, love you mom. If you're watching this, we were playing pickleball and she like, I'll miss one and she'll like, let me hear it. And I'm like, Oh my gosh, you're not a good teammate. She's like bench if she was like on a team, we're calling Haley a one sport athlete. My family likes to tell me that, but I mean, I did one sport very well. So yeah. Hey,

34:45Steph McMahon:not many people can say that. She's got it. I always say I'm like the most athletic and talented one in the family. I didn't quite envision one basketball either. Yeah, they know they. It's good rivalry for sure and competitiveness most of the time if we channel it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. I know. Used for good, right? Yeah, absolutely. But so your dad put up a basketball hoop like early, right? And then I read something about you guys doing backflips in the pool at like five. Yeah. Ken and I were very, my parents put us in like everything. Swimming, hockey, anything. Hockey. Gymnastics, always.

35:21My dad was a huge hockey fan. Oh, yeah. And he played hockey growing up. So we were just like, which I'm so fortunate with because I want to try like every sport and we always played it together. And then we grew up as like Celtics fans, Boston Celtics fans and the big three. And we would always just like go watch. We'd always watch their basketball games. And that halftime, I was like, I want to be like Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo and Hannah and Hannah loved like Paul Pierce. And we were like trying to go take the highlights from the first half and like do them on the court. And we just like love doing that together.

35:53And I think that's what we found out at a really young age. Like we love the sport so much and like doing it together. And then from that point on, like that shift in mindset, it's like we want to play basketball together. And like how do we get to the like play division one? We were smaller guards. Like we were very under recruited. So it was like we want to be able to get there and play together. not like one of us at the bench. Right. Yeah.

36:16Steph McMahon:So how did you do that? I mean, we just trained for a very long time. And then we gave up, not like gave up other sports, but at the time you were training for basketball. And then it was like middle school was, you'd go from like middle school practice to AAU travel ball. And then it led up to high school basketball. And then AAU, we had a great team and it put us in front of a whole bunch of college coaches. So we got our first offer from the University of San Diego, freshman. You're in high school. Wow. Yeah. So that was. It was. Fresh right there. Yeah. We were at their camp and they. I remember my coach pulling this out and they're like, they're going to offer you your guys' first division one.

36:54And like Hannah and I, one thing about us is like, I didn't care what it was. Like I wanted a scholarship with my twin. I would like sacrifice anything. Like we missed prom. I didn't care. My mom would be like, do you guys want like a social life? Like she'd pick us up and I'm like, mom's like, give me. We like would go like through like Freddy's and get like chicken nuggets. and we'd go to practice and like I was good with that like I didn't care and so like when that we got that first offer I was like oh my gosh this is gonna be like what we worked for and then yeah so then we went um to Fresno State for our first three years in California um it was great and then we always I was like when March Madness would go on the TV like I would tell my mom like mom we need to stay home from school like I'd fake sick like I just want to watch women's basketball games Christmas.

37:38Yeah. And so then we couldn't get to, at a smaller division in school, you had to win your tournament to get to the March Master Room. And that's like very small percentage. And so then we put ourselves in the transfer portal and went to the University of Miami and finished our careers there. But no, yeah. That was an argument too. Yeah. That was a sport. I wanted to go to USC and she wanted to go to the University of Miami. So we compromised and went to Miami. I was like, you wanted to go because of your ex-boyfriend. Okay. I went to Miami and I fell in love with the University of Miami. And just like everything about it and like the coach and like the leadership and everything.

38:18It was just like next level. I've never seen anything like it. And then I was like, dad, I'm going here. And I just remember Hannah was like, I am not coming here. And I'm like, we're going here. It definitely changed everything. And everything. I couldn't. I mean, I was kicking her in the butt for it. but now we're like thank you you're so happy yeah yeah and then you almost left I did okay so that you were like well it was a little bit different because I know it's kind of like a it's a lot a lot of story but um so we went to the University of Miami she played a lot more than me so it was like the first time of like me sitting on the bench Haley playing more it was like very very hard just as a competitive sure sure in general so I was like I didn't want to take my fifth year because obviously got a fifth year for COVID and I was like I'm not going to Haley and she was kind of done and we ended it at the universe we were in the March Masson tournament I was like very at peace with like tying up the shoes and Haley didn't want to go back so at first we were we graduated and we had four years of college and I was like okay we're done let's finish the chapter together but then after like two months went by I was like I miss it like I I need to go back.

39:28Like, I need to take my fifth year. Like, I don't know why I decided not to. Like, I was just second guessing. I was, like, telling my dad, I'm like, I miss the game. Like, I need, like, growing up and looking back, I'm going to, like, regret this decision. And so I called my coach up and I was like, I want to come back. And she was, of course, Coach Meyer was like, yes, come back. And so, long story short, I was going to go to TCU because this one wasn't going to come back with me. And my family all is in Texas, too. So they're in Texas and Florida. So the only two places I'm staying is Florida and Texas.

40:00And she wanted me to move with her. So I gave her two. I was like, okay, I'm going to go to TCU. But long story short, then Miami was like, we want you guys both back. So I was like, okay, I want to finish my career with Hannah by my side. And then, yeah, finished it. We went back. And, yeah, I'm just so glad to be an alum from there. I'm like, University of Miami just opened so many doors for us. And just like ending our careers there. Love it.

40:24Steph McMahon:so and what like so I'm curious again best lessons your your coach taught you but what opportunities did the school provide that makes you so you know appreciative appreciative yeah I think it's the relationships you make there I think um one graduating from there obviously that degree is amazing but I think um being able to go into rooms with people and be a sponge and actually like the level of professor like professor or just connections outside The city of Miami and being able to go to dinners with individuals and kind of get connections that you would never. I think that's like the best thing about the University of Miami as well.

41:04The professors were great, too, though. Yeah. Don't want to. No, I just I agree. I think just my experience in general, this school, the coaches, my teammates. I mean, I have lifelong like they're all coming to my wedding. Like, it's just like, oh, great. You know what I mean? Yeah. So it's just like more of just like the family. I mean, just like WWE, like you said. Right. It's like the family, the support, and what you gain from your college experience and just doing it with your twin and just meeting so many and networking and the experiences. It opened up for Hannah and I within NIL, within just everything.

41:36I'm just so grateful for it.

41:38Steph McMahon:Yeah, so it's also the city itself. Yeah, 100%. And then what about the coach? Coach Meyer. Yeah, some of the best lessons you learned. She's hard. From her and from any other coaches that you've had that you think really have helped you? I would say Coach Fitz was probably the most pivotal coach in my whole college career. Till this day, he's like, I text him probably weekly. I just love that man. But he's super, super hard. And I love the standard of him, of him just teaching me, you show up regardless. Your feelings, whatever it is. My dad told me that at a young age. but then having someone kind of push you to a limit that you never even knew you were capable of.

42:18And like, we don't care about feelings. It's more of just like, we're going to go do it. And I just like, love that mindset. And like, maybe it's different. Cause like a female, you're not, you're supposed to be, you know, like all this, but like he just pushed me to a different level of like a basketball. Like I didn't know I was capable of. And like, I'm just so appreciative of that because like, it just makes you so mentally tough. Like you're, it prepares you for so everyone's like, just wait to the real world. just wait till i'm like no being a college athlete like yeah is ridiculous like for 24 years like me and hannah i'm like right now it's like i live a dream life and influencing and like what it sent me for 24 years though of like basketball and like what we did i'm like no right like there's some things that probably i should like we probably our coaches put us through and i'm like this is a different level i think yeah i think just following along what haley said i think the impact of just like showing up and like you need you work for everything regardless especially if like your teammates are down or even if like I wasn't getting minutes I loved the standard that he would hold me to just as much as Haley if that makes sense yeah um so and then like Haley said I think it just goes like that's why we're so routine orientated and disciplined and consistent because that's all we knew right for 24 years so it doesn't go away and then it goes into every

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44:25What about discipline as a part of faith, as you were saying before? Right. I mean, yeah, I think that if you put something into your routine, I think your relationship with God, my relationship with God, is the most important thing in my life. So being able to center yourself within that and finding peace with that, obviously, I mean, there's ebbs and flows of life. And, you know, you have to go through certain things. But understanding your why is very important. And falling back on that has helped me in my darkest times, no matter what. What do you think your why is? My why? I would say my family, without a doubt.

45:02And my future, for sure. my family my future what about you i would say i think jesus is my why i would say also my family i think my twin and my mom especially and my sisters and stuff but like they're the most important people in my life so like i would just say always falling back on them and like having a circle that truly supports you and knows you regardless if it's your family or not i think it's just such a key thing for life like your community yeah like you surround yourself with yeah yeah so and a tight tighter circle oh yeah especially with like the social media and stuff and obviously it created this dream life for Hannah and I and our jobs um I wouldn't change it but like having people that know you so you don't all those opinions that are coming at you 24 7 and like understanding like that's not what you need to look at like look at like who knows you and I think that that taught me NIL and like being on social media has taught me that so much more and being in this space we are in.

46:04Steph McMahon:We recently interviewed Jalen Brunson. Oh, nice. And he, what kind of came up is like he keeps his circle tight and it's his middle school coach, his high school coach, his college coach, like people who were around when he was growing up. Like it's a very, very tight circle. Like his sister, his best friend, his family. His high school best friend. It's like all his people. And they're like totally with him this whole journey. And, you know, and again, like to your point, not everybody has a family, you know, like you guys do. But who do you choose your chosen family? Yeah. Right. Like what is what is that community?

46:44Yeah. I think in the world today, too, it's like just always trust your intuition. There's really good people out there. But then there's also people I always tell Hannah this, like understand there's people that aren't so good and don't have the best intentions with you in your life. and I think the difference between us is like I'm very socially aware when it comes to that and I'll always understand that but Hannah just thinks everyone's they're going to be best friends and I'm like you don't know them Hannah you want to assume that I'm so glad because I mean I've been through some like lessons where I'm just like whoa but no Haley

47:18Steph McMahon:you just assume the best in people I'm very much like oh we kidded off let's go get coffee beach walk No, but Haley's like, Hannah, like, she's not like, we don't know her. Like, maybe it does make me seem like I don't see the good in people. I do see the good in people, but I just always see what it is. Like, I see the situation for what it is. And like, I'm just like, Han, like, let's just slow down. You know, we just need to slow down. She is literally the best dating advice. Yeah. Haley gives me the best dating advice. I'm like, she's my chat GPT. Yeah. No matter what, I'm like, Haley, what's going on?

47:54She's like, whoa. And I was like, you're right. Actually, I'm going to stop. No, she's the best. Luckily, I have her.

48:02Steph McMahon:No, it's super important. Yeah. And I find that oftentimes as human beings, we're guilty of putting our values on other people. That's okay. Right? So it's like you assume they're not going to do certain things because you would never do that. Right. And that's not how you would think. Right. But everybody's different and not everybody has the same values. Right. I think you learned that too. Touching on what you said, I think there's a place that you always want it to be. Like, oh my gosh, it could be a great relationship. It could be all these people. You never know. Maybe they want to be your friends.

48:35Maybe they don't want the best for you. But I think with time, time always tells. Regardless of friendships or relationships. I always tell Hannah, I'm like, just give it time. You don't know because people always show your true colors. Even if they're trying to fake it, you can only fake it for six months. I think that. Yeah. we've texted many times over the years the quote when someone shows you who they are the first time believe them

48:58Steph McMahon:that's Maya, Maya Angelou also and it's a helpful reminder sometimes when we're like I thought this person was good but I did see a glimpse of something off and then like down the road she's like see and then I dabble between because I'm like do I give them grace? like the bible says she has grace so I'm like do I give them grace and then boom I get Burm again and I'm like oh And intuition and like, I feel like females intuition always, it always tells you. Like there's always a read and like, luckily we have each other. So like one of us has got to be right. Like if you get a weird intuition, it's not me.

49:32Steph McMahon:And then if you both feel it. Yeah. When we both feel it, I'm like, okay, there's something. We have like some twin telepathy for sure. Yeah. For sure. But yeah. What's like a moment of twin telepathy? I mean, it doesn't, I think it's obviously on the court. we had very much like I knew her game very well so it was like very easy right but I would say like yeah very convenient yeah but also like I think even like in a room like I know people always have their comfort people right but regardless like if somebody says something that's off or like anything that like could just be like a little bit weird like I know Haley is just thinking the exact same thing I don't even have to like look at her like if she's just knowing I know yeah I think it's just I think it's twin telepathy but also it's we grow like we've been in the same room.

50:14We like, we've lived together a whole lives. Like, so we're basically like, we're very, very similar. We have the same like mindset, I think. So I just, I don't even know if it's twin telepathy. I just think it's like, I think it's twin telepathy. There's like some things that I'm like, Haley will ask, like, let's say we go have a conversation in that room over there. I swear five of the same questions Haley will ask you. Really? That's interesting. And like a lot of people will be like, I'm like, I'm so sorry if I just meet you and she asked you the same. That's gotta be annoying. We just live on the same page.

50:45We're on the same page a lot. But our personalities are definitely different.

50:49Steph McMahon:So how are they different? I would say, I think they've changed over the years. For sure. I would say, I was always introverted and always relied on Hannah for confidence when like, I would be like, okay, she's going to like, say someone orders like a wrong drink or something. Like I would be super quiet. And I think we still have this. It's an example. like Hannah will tell the waiter like hey like this drink is wrong so like I would rather just like not tell the waiter right you know what I mean like I'm not going to be the one that's in a respectful way yeah like yeah oh even like out of the friend group everyone will be like Hannah will you go say this and Hannah like without a doubt like she doesn't even blink like she just like goes and does it she's the one in the family that does that and I would say like that's the biggest example between us um but I when our like I'm very when it comes to like Jake or Hannah or my mom, like, I will be very opinionated to them and loud to them.

51:43But, like, when it comes to, like, a group of people, I would say Hannah's more of the bubbly, extroverted, like, super energized and I'm just more like this. Right. She's, like, always here. She's even. Yes. Haley's always here. She's very, like, she's not, like, she's serious goofy. Right. Like, you gotta know Haley's personality. Like, it's super good. But I would say, like, me, I'm, like, very bubbly.

52:02Steph McMahon:Yeah. Just, like, all the time. Like, everyone probably thinks she's, like, probably more nice than me. Oh, okay. just because she's more outgoing I feel you're a little more shy I think I'm outgoing by hand just like more energy let's go and I'm just like you're telling yourself short we're in two different chapters of life yeah

52:25we're going Haley we're staying out we're having a good time I'm tired I got my nightcap and we're going to bed it's good we balance each other well so for sure it's good

52:36Steph McMahon:And you both went through, you recently posted on National Eating Disorder Day. So can you talk a little bit about that, about what you experienced and how you got through it and came out the other side? Yeah, I would love to. Yeah, so it's going on two years of us going through our recovery. But it was definitely something that we both went through. So we kind of started with our eating disorder at Fresno State where it was just like seeing how little we could eat under a thousand calories. I know this is kind of like triggering for some people too. So we try to eat under a thousand calories and then it would always be like, okay, did you eat this today?

53:18Or like did you hit 20 carbs? Like if she hit 20 carbs, I'm like, I need to only hit 20 carbs. Right. And you couldn't go over it. And it would give you like a dopamine, like a bad dopamine effect. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. psychology wise like it's a mental illness yeah for sure 100 i think that it what we were each other's like worst nightmares you enabled each other we enabled each other through and through so bad and then everyone's telling you look so good but like also my mom's like you guys need to eat like you're college athletes like we're going to practice mind you like three hardcore practice for three hours like conditioning whatever and then we go to weights for an hour and then i'm like i haven't ate like and i'm not eating carbs and i'm not like our our fridge and it was just really bad and we just started getting skinnier and skinnier and skinnier and we transferred to the university of miami and so my mom had a really good relationship with our fresno state coaches where she was like calling them and like okay there's something going on my mom saw like the early signs of it right but i mean they're very stubborn like we're very stuck in our ways and like this is how it's going to be so if something's like started to cut you off if something's like working we're not going to change it especially if someone tells us like we're just stubborn yeah and then it got bad talk yourselves into whatever we'll talk ourselves into it for sure um and then we transferred to the university of miami and it was like we need to get our bodies to the best of the ability because obviously you're playing versus you know stronger girls faster girls and we want to be in shape so it was like that played an effect and then it got really bad when hayley was playing and i wasn't playing right and then i would stay after practice and like be doing so much cardio just because I'm like pissed off because she played 40 minutes of the game and I sat on the bench you know right right I need to get that and like I'm burning all these calories and she's not and then I like yeah yeah that's how it was like I would leave games and Hannah would be running on the treadmill and I'm like what like this isn't right but I didn't even think of it I'm like oh I'll see you at home you know what I mean like it's just like so like routine like for us but it's like what is going on and then it got really bad I vividly remember it was about to be our birthday it was going to be our 23rd and we had like a I don't even know what sparked it it was like very bad that you were like okay we need to get our nutritionist yeah I just was like we need help like we would just eat like I think we went home for Christmas and had like too many cookies like my mom made cookies and like me and I don't eat cookies a lot so we were like having cookies and we got back and we're like oh my gosh we ate all these things like we can't I'm gonna like not allow myself to eat at all and like we went to practice and our coach like put us through like the worst practice because we had two weeks off and we had to prepare for um acc conference play and we were just eating egg whites like literally all we would eat is egg whites and then i was like kind of we need help like i can't do this anymore like i physically cannot and so you noticed your i noticed first play started to be affected yes if hayley didn't like i we would have gone down oh yeah horrible if she if that wasn't it like I would be very nervous just because if even now looking back like obviously we are still in our recovery and I don't think that we're fully recovered I think that do you ever fully recover I don't know because I was just talking to my mom about this too like it did lead us to our biggest passion with health and fitness and growing we have an app now with you know workout plans and macro plans and being able to help other girls um is so fulfilling that's great and that's what led us to that but I think I don't there's always so much trigger like even it's like the easiest choices that like you can make that somebody doesn't probably have an eating disorder mindset where it's like okay that's so easy but like for me I'm like thinking three steps ahead about like my meals and stuff like that so I don't know

56:56Steph McMahon:because you obsess about it you're obsessed I think yeah I think it's the one one area even like going through eating disorder where we could control you can control and Hannah and I are such control freaks like we are routine like in discipline it's like you know she's not playing enough but she can control her food she can control working herself to death right how many calories yeah like that's the one place of control where in the beginning of like nil and like getting this platform that we really didn't know like we were younger like we don't know like let's go to something that we can control and it was just a negative way of doing it and then social media also plays an effect where it's like hayley looks skinnier you know yeah and then i'm like oh my god you know even today like somebody will be like one of them looks thicker and i'm like i said i texted to hayley and i'm like dude like are we am i like looking thicker you know right i don't think i am but like just like to make me feel better help me out but um no i think that plays a negative effect too for all girls i mean you're definitely seeing it i think social media is such a trigger for sure it is and it's it's such a comparison like it's a highlight rule and me and Hannah, we post our best selves.

58:04Like you're not going to post a bad picture of yourself. We're like, right. And it's like, God, you see an angle and you're like, that's, I hope that's not what I look like. But like, I just think being able to share our story, um, and just getting all these responses from females, like so many girls go through this or even like triggers or, you know, thoughts in your head and being able to like be a helping hand. We've helped so many girls and like sharing your story is so fulfilling. And I think going through that and being able to get out of it and still we're still in our healing stages but being able to just like help girls like at such a young age yeah it's just it's really like it really makes it all worth it in the end because it's like we're using our platform for the good and I really believe that like we are helping other girls get through that and like that is so fulfilling that's amazing yeah a lot of girls in general and a lot of female athletes oh my gosh yeah and I shared with Steph before um I I was a D3 athlete.

59:00I played soccer and softball. And I went through a similar situation. And I like completely different mindset now. Like I lift heavy. I am strong. I'm a mom of two. Like I'm proud to be strong. Yeah. And like we were looking this morning at like pictures of college me. And I was stepping on the scale every single day to see the number to make sure it didn't change. I was barely eating. I was running five miles before a softball practice Where I was a catcher And then we'd have to lift after And I passed out And fainted in the weight room And my coach finally was like What's going on here And I didn't realize I just was in it And it took her saying it to me And seeing your story I kind of was like Oh shit I forgot That you went through that

59:52Steph McMahon:It's like the pictures 2010 Like it was 2009, but still like it. And then I'm scrolling through my Facebook and I'm like, oh, my God, look at this shell of a human who like I wish someone pulled aside college me to be like, hey, if you eat carbs and more protein, you're going to be even better, even stronger. And like it's it's so powerful to see other college athletes, other women go through it, too. now it just it's empowering to be like hey I was there look where I am now and how can I help people so you guys highlighting it and not being afraid to talk about like those moments of egg whites yeah cheese you said it and I'm like it's my part of my routine now but like in a healthy way yes you can get through it but it's well and then the aspect of it never totally being gone right still in the back of your mind and that's the thing like and then you have kids and your body changes and your best friend drags you into podcasting with her so you have to be on screen so people are commenting like who's the overweight chick next to Steph yeah so I stopped reading the comments per Nikki Bella's advice and yours but like it's so easy to then be like I can't go back to her yeah and like caring too much about that because i think now i'm like my my babies can't see me sorry no but it's good that they're gonna see you because you're human yeah and you struggle just like everybody else and you get through it and it's who you are yeah and it's good for them to see no it is and it is empowering too because like even i was telling haley this like it took me like a very long time to like be able to talk about it and not get very emotional and i'm not like in a very emotional person but like it was hard for me to even like get words or like speak about it just because of it's like so triggering and like what you go through and you never want to go back but then you do see comments and like that's your natural effect and it's just i mean it's awful but it's also like empowering to be able to share and like see where you are today yeah you know it's amazing and you should be proud of that and even like i just haven't thought about it i think in a while and then was like watching some of your clips and was like oh my god that was me yeah and i forget about her you don't yeah and like the thing is is like you'll look at other like i even see sometimes and like this is the healing side i'm like god i look so good there you know like that's that like i don't look at the part where it's like she was so sad yeah that's that's the girl that's controlled by food that's the girl that wants to be her skinniest and like a number that's not like you have one life yeah i mean this is like one thing we always talk about it's like we have one life like no one's gonna care about how small your waist looked or like what you did or like no one's gonna care about that when you're older and you have grandkids and every like we're not talking about that like talk about like it's memories and enjoying like food plays a big part of that and like i am a foodie now it's like you know i'd love of chips and salsa and margarita and I'm not mad about it right I'll look at photos and like that's still the process of like how do I get back to like looking like you know but like I don't want to get back there like that that back there needed help like that Haley needed help and like that version of you needed help and like just because comments or whoever like they don't know you and like remind yourself like you're not your body isn't the most important thing about you like remind yourself of that like there's so much more and that's what people want to judge you on And that's like, which is so sad with female athletes because like even ESPN comments, like they'll post a female athlete and the first thing people comment on is her looks.

1:03:31Like a man gets posted. It's never about that. It's their performance. I'm like, why are we always commenting on females looks? You know? I don't know. It's just, it's just kind of interesting. No. Yeah, for sure. But it's amazing to shed light on it because a lot of people go through it and there's so much positive that you can do.

1:03:47Steph McMahon:And what is the name of the app? It's called Together. So T-W-O. Yeah. Yeah. Together. I love that. No. Yeah. I love it. It's our baby. We built it from like nothing and being able to, you know, have girls in that community. It's the one community that's so positive that you can always go to, you know? No. Even if you're having a bad day, like I do not go there. I go to my community app because like no matter what, they'll fill your cup. So just spend more time there. Yeah. Yeah. Spend more time doing what fills your cup. For sure. Yeah. For sure. Learned that. I mean, I deleted Twitter like probably for like eight months.

1:04:21I was just like, that is just horrible.

1:04:22Steph McMahon:place yeah so what other tips do you have for you know social and how to deal with you know comments I mean not reading them right shutting down your social but when it's your business it's a little bit harder right yeah no sorry business um yeah what what tips do you have there I'm like a I like love this rule of like a post and ghost like I'm a post and ghost and I'll like just put it like I won't go on my phone yeah or if there's like something that's going on like the media or something that's prevalent for doing its time because like I'm always like time's gonna run its course but right I'm always just like do not go on my phone like I will go up to Fort Myers Beach because that's my happy place with Haley and Jake and my grandparents and just have a margarita on the beach and not go on my phone that sounds so great just like put it down I would yeah I would say as human beings it's you're gonna look like right I've I try not to you try not to but then that eats you up and then you end up going to do it right like you look and you look and I'm like I all these people are anonymous they probably have like four followers and at the end of the day it's like they're commenting on you because you're doing something and that they're probably just insecure and jealous about at the end of the day like I always make up stories and I'm like these people once again like if they're going to comment about what I look like or a bad angle or whatever it is or they don't like us because they don't even know me and they're listening through a mic, then I'm going to go back to my circle.

1:05:48I'm going to go back to my circle because who are they?

1:05:51Steph McMahon:That's what my husband always says. He goes, let me ask you a question, Steph. Would you ask this person for advice? Yeah. Don't take criticism for people. You don't want to take advice. That's so hard. Like Haley said, I think it's hard because it's like, you don't want to go there, but it's natural. It's like, you have to see what they're saying. Why are we wired that way? I'll ask myself, I'm like, why do you care? Do you really care? Write down in your journal, why do you care? I think the good is just as bad as the bad. Like the good will give you so much opening. Like if you get all these like good comments and stuff and it makes you feel like you have this like huge ego and you're walking around like I'm feeling like a million bucks like, you know, whatever.

1:06:28But that affects you just as much as the bad does. Yeah. Because you get really, really high on that and then you see one bad comment and you're like, oh my God. And the crash out. Right. It's just as poisonous. It's poison. Yeah. It's poison. So it's just like where you get your approval from. Like me and Hannah go back to our faith through and through. Yeah. Yeah.

1:06:44Steph McMahon:that's great that's super helpful yeah post and ghost post and ghost post and ghost I'm doing it good literally just post and ghost and even if you don't want to it's a habit and then just delete the app like that's what literally I did in the beginning because I was like always finding myself to go back after I posted or like something was going on and I was like I do not want to see this like it's really bad for my mental health right now I would just delete apps delete delete delete and then I'll have Haley I'll be like how are we doing I am checking on Twitter how are we doing manage everything Are people enjoying the pod?

1:07:15Are people like how are we doing? Is it good? Is it bad? Is it safe there? That's my question. Is it safe? If not, it's good to have people that will just check out. Yeah.

1:07:27Steph McMahon:Is it safe? I don't know if it's ever safe. Probably not. Is it safe there? Why do we focus on the one negative comment? Yeah, there's so much. You can have 10 positive comments and one negative comment and you're fixated on this negative comment. Female brain miswiring. Yeah. Maybe human. Yeah. Probably not. Yeah. But for sure. Speaking for myself. I just think women can be more judgmental too. You're like, why do we do that to each other even? Yeah. You know? Yeah. That's why I love the community you're building. It's so positive and supportive. And, you know, like that's when we're at our best.

1:08:07Steph McMahon:Yeah. So it's like find the community that you feel the most free in. whether it's WWE, basketball, whatever it is, like whatever you feel like your best confident self, then it's like, stick with that. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. I find like sometimes when I guess it's my own insecurities and I see like a beautiful woman and I'll be like think something and then I'll shift my mindset. Like, why are you thinking anything negative about this beautiful woman? Why? Because she's beautiful, you know? And then I'll be like, you should be supporting her, not thinking negative things about her and when I think when I consciously shift that I feel like a shift in my heart you know and it's really it's like it's a feeling and it's really positive and I much prefer to live in that place than the other place yeah you know yeah and I always tell myself like her win isn't your loss like no matter what like no matter what like and if you know like your heart is good no matter what like that's what you always fall back on right so it's like don't have like a jealous heart don't have a hateful heart right at the end of the day it's not your loss yeah focus on you focus on your ship yeah so that seems like another good lesson focus on your ship focus on your ship my boat i focus on my boat so and is that do you i mean that direct specifically using the boat analogy is that a religious tie or is that just like an expression yeah i'm just an analogy girl so okay i just think my boat as myself yeah yeah and you're constantly building it and fixing it and yeah doing whatever yeah i think the boat flows as you go and you learn like lessons but um continuing you know wherever it goes who you add on the boat you take off the boat.

1:09:57Steph McMahon:Yeah, that's why I'm digging here. Because I think that's kind of a different way to I've never heard anybody position it that way. Oh, really? Yeah. No, I think it's like a very free spirited like and it's you don't take life as seriously. Because Haley always tells me she's like, and it's highs and lows, not just life. And I'm like, Okay, well, that's just my boat. Yeah. So and it goes where it goes. It goes where it goes. For sure. So what's what's next for you guys. I mean, you're obviously getting married, which I mean, talk a little bit about what you can share. Okay. Cause it's so exciting.

1:10:31Steph McMahon:I know. I'm so excited. I think that I didn't know what planning a wedding entailed. Oh yeah. And, um, luckily I have a great maid of honor. We have a bachelorette trip coming up. Oh boy. Oh boy. But I am very like, I don't I'm not like tight I'm a type b bride I would say like I have a great wedding planner I think my older sister Brooke is helping me a lot but I would just say I think it's the one day like everyone's there like my favorite people are coming Jake's favorite people are coming and I'm like Hannah like I don't want to take away from that day regardless of what it is like that is such a special day because it's like oh sorry I do it all the time um you know it's like your one day so I think I'm getting more excited as it gets closer um got my dress and everything so I'm just excited for that.

1:11:17We have such a great group of people. I just can't wait. I can't wait to marry Jake. I'm just looking forward to seeing everyone all in one day. You're never going to get that ever again in your life. That's just what's fun. I think the best advice someone gave me for my wedding day, I don't remember who it was. Was it you to stop and look around? I'm like, yeah. It probably goes so quick. People say that, but it does. Like before you know it, it's the last song or like the after party. It's like stop and just look at all of your people. Yeah. His side, your side. And it's like not maybe the last time you get a group like that together.

1:11:57I mean, like it's so hard to get all of your worlds together at once celebrating you. It's the best. I know. I didn't really like ever think about a wedding like that. And then like I'm like we're sending out all these invitations, all these. And I'm like this is going to be amazing. And everyone's coming in to see us, you know. Yeah. Yeah. How special is that going to be? It makes you feel so special. So, no, I'm excited about that. And then what's next for us is we just done with Betta GM, and then we also have some two exciting things coming out soon. Can we talk about that? As you car, yeah.

1:12:28Okay, so you can talk about that if you want. So we're huge tequila girls. Okay. Love tequila. Same, same, same.

1:12:34Steph McMahon:Yeah, actually, at least it's a big tequila girl. Yeah, okay. But you're going to have to try this. But it's called As You Car. So it's tequila in a can. and we are the creative of it, the marketing side of it. So being able to, I don't want to say too much about it because it's coming up next week actually. But no, it's going to be great. And when does it launch? It's going to launch early April. Early April. Okay, so right around your event. Yeah. And we get a taste test, all the flavors here soon. Is there an after party sponsored by? Oh, there's going to be a ton of like parties. We're going to do a launch party.

1:13:07You guys have to come. Okay. Seriously. But no, that's coming out. And then we are taking up one of our like huge, like entrepreneur goals was to have a brand that was behind us, but we're not the faces of it. So it's going to be a supplement company. So that's coming out soon. I don't want to talk too much about that, but it's called too good. So there's going to be a lot of supplements within it. That's great. I love the play on words. Yeah. But no, I'm super excited about that too, because like we said, health and fitness is literally, we start bread and butter.

1:13:37Steph McMahon:Yeah. A lot of good things. Yeah. We're excited. Yeah. BWWE. yes let's hope yeah yeah well thank you guys so much for coming and and doing this podcast like it's just so fun having you here and I've been following since we first signed you um because you know we were very excited about NIL because we of course WWE does it a little bit different it's like hopefully a recruitment tool and you know and the opportunity to reach college athletes and bring them in it's it's not just having you represent the brand but it's like hoping to attract you as well. And so I've been following you like sort of from that perspective for a while now.

1:14:18Steph McMahon:Didn't know all of the things you were going through at the time, you know, from an eating disorder standpoint and of course all the different things that you're living through and all of that. And, you know, now to be sitting here with you, graduated, you know, and you're done playing basketball, at least, you know, in a college setting. And now you're going to play each other you know and and your business careers i mean really like you guys are you're killing it thank you so much thank you for having us we've been huge fans so yeah no yeah we're excited about this yeah no it's so great i haven't done a podcast in forever so oh yeah awesome that was great well we have to have you back on too yes yes once you launch everything and oh my maybe once you get your career started we'll check back in with you yeah because you have You have to at least like run the ropes and take some bumps and see what you think.

1:15:09Steph McMahon:I think so too. I think it's time. Yes. All right. For sure. All right. You heard it here first. Yes, you did.

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