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Podcast Episode Summary: What's Your Story? with Steph McMahon
Episode Title
What Do You Wanna Talk About? - Timothée Chalamet
Overview In this episode, Timothée Chalamet joins Cody Rhodes to discuss his upcoming film "Marty Supreme," which is set to release on Christmas Day. Their conversation delves into various topics including the film's production, personal anecdotes, and the intersection of sports and entertainment, particularly wrestling.
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Key Highlights
Introduction
- Setting: The episode takes place in a special space provided by Fanatics.
- Guest Introduction: Timothée expresses excitement about being on the podcast and reveals his admiration for Cody Rhodes.
Discussion on "Marty Supreme"
- Film Insight:
- Chalamet trained extensively for his role, though much of the film's athletic sequences are enhanced with CGI.
- The film explores themes of ambition, mistakes in one's twenties, and the journey toward adulthood.
- Character Dynamics:
- The film's protagonist, Marty, makes questionable decisions and navigates personal relationships, notably with Rachel, played by Odessa A'zion.
- The characters wrestle with moral ambiguity, leaving the audience questioning their choices.
Personal Anecdotes
- Cody’s Family Connection:
- Cody shares a story about his father, Dusty Rhodes, and nervousness in meeting legends like Johnny Cash.
- Chalamet relates to this feeling, emphasizing the importance of authenticity in the entertainment industry.
Wrestling and Pop Culture
- The Intersection of Wrestling and Film:
- Both guests discuss how wrestling has seeped into pop culture, emphasizing its narrative quality and larger-than-life characters.
- Chalamet expresses admiration for how wrestling parallels the filmmaking process, both requiring performance and audience engagement.
Reflection on Personal Growth
- Both guests touch on the evolution of their careers, how personal experiences shape their ambitions, and the importance of having a support system.
- Cody mentions how becoming a parent changed his perspective on life and career choices.
Wrestling References and Insights
- Discussions on notable wrestling figures and moments, including Paul Heyman, and classic wrestling events.
- Chalamet shares his respect for the culture of wrestling and acknowledges its influence on his work.
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Key Takeaways
- Themes of Ambition: The conversation highlights the struggle and ambition found in both Chalamet's and Rhodes' careers, with a focus on pursuing one's dreams despite setbacks.
- Cultural Reflections: The episode emphasizes the cultural significance of wrestling as a performance art and its impact on broader entertainment.
- Vulnerability in Performance: Both guests advocate for being open and vulnerable in their respective crafts, fostering deeper connections with their audiences.
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Conclusion This episode of "What’s Your Story?" offers a compelling look into the life of Timothée Chalamet, drawing parallels between wrestling and acting, while also reflecting on personal growth and ambition. The engaging dialogue serves as an invitation for listeners to explore their own paths and the stories that shape their journeys.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:06Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to What Do You Want To Talk About? We are not at the WWE warehouse. We are not on my tour bus. We are actually in this wonderful provided secret, as we like to say, kayfabe space by Fanatics. And this is a Fanatics and WWE original production. My guest, not someone that has been in the locker room with me. This is an incredible situation that has just dropped on us, and we have to do it. He is the star of the upcoming film, Marty Supreme, which comes out Christmas Day. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to What Do You Want to Talk About? timothy shalomay appreciate it thanks for having me oh my gosh I'm a big fan man so thanks for having me oh my gosh well now now I feel good we like to get real vulnerable on this thing okay and unnecessarily vulnerable for a podcast done by a wrestler with other wrestlers but right out of the gate so this might be the first time I've ever been nervous introducing somebody on the podcast fuck yeah just because of what you're doing right now is incredible I got to see the movie last night thank you for the sneak peek of the movie It's a very special situation, but it made me think of, because you're sitting here at this bar, and I got a little nervous introducing you, and I'm so glad you came to the podcast.
1:15My dad, wrestler, only time I ever saw him nervous. Legend, Dusty. Only time I ever saw him nervous was meeting Johnny Cash on, I believe, the set of Gunsmoke. Wow. And it's a very similar energy, which I got a good deja vu, even though I wasn't there for that. But basically, they tell him, like, hey, go meet Johnny. And I watched my dad walk around. He was just a guest there on the set. I don't even know what it was, but he takes his hat off, and I have never seen him nervous. Was he a huge Johnny fan? Oh, my gosh, a huge, but he was also of the thought entertainment and were the wrestler and, you know, make it seem like he'd been to the end zone before.
1:51He tried to bring an energy to it, but it's the only time I think I saw him drop it all just to get a hello with the man in black with Johnny Cash. And Dusty's one of the greatest to ever do it. Yeah, no. Yeah. But you and Johnny, you make the Rose Boys nervous. And I'm a big Johnny fan from doing the Bob Dylan movie last year. And I can't believe that. Well, you know, I don't think in 2025 wrestling is downstream from pop culture. And I think it is pop culture. It's right there, man. I remember growing up near Times Square. They had the WWF store, I think, at the time. Yeah. It was huge. And just growing up on wrestling and sports entertainment.
2:27And this movie really falls, I think, in a category of sports entertainment, Marty Supreme, because it's as much about the individual pursuit of athletic greatness, in this case, table tennis, as it is, you know, a popcorn crunch movie, you know, that's accessible. Do you play ping pong or no? I do not play ping pong. You ever played? I think I've played for sure. The level of play that's in the movie is next level. And I ask the question, this is you. This is something you trained for and you did. Yeah, I trained many years, but what you see in the movie a lot of it is CGI But as our director Josh would say it's almost harder to do something you see like the best table tennis players in the world Couldn't execute a 12-point sequence.
3:13That's pre memorized Just by nature of the sport I was gonna say maybe like what you do, but I'm like no, it's exactly You guys are totally sequenced out, but um, but no took a lot of training and But super proud of the finished product, you know. Of course. You know what I really loved about, again, we got a sneak peek of the movie last night, which, thank you, by the way, one of my favorite things is when you leave something like that and everyone wants to talk about it. And everyone wants to talk about things you saw. And I don't want to drop any spoilers for the movies, but like, oh, the orange balls.
3:50What did you get from the orange balls or the dog? Oh, I'm so glad. There's these elements of the movie. one of them, a big one that was discussed was one of your partners in this film that being Kevin O 'Leary. No, we just were blown away. Because I also did one of the Shark Tank? Like I did, I was... You passively watched Shark Tank or you enacted Shark Tank? I watched a couple seasons of Shark Tank so just the idea that he was in it and how phenomenal he was. I feel I got so much from watching the movie. There's a lot of choices. Who's making the right choices? What leads you to making the right choices?
4:29And this is just me personally watching it. No, the movie's about being an idiot in your 20s. That's a great? Yeah. And then what's that final choice someone makes? And then changing, right? Confrontation with adulthood, fatherhood, manhood. But we don't know. We don't know if Marty will cross that bridge or if he'll continue to be a degenerate fuck up. I kind of wanted to ask, and again, no spoilers on the movie. Everyone should see this movie. It was incredible. Again, thank you for letting us see it. Thank you, man. Do you leave it open? I mean, obviously we're based on a real-life individual here, where we've taken this, but do you leave it open on the final part of this movie?
5:05Will the decisions he's made there at the end, is it still open-ended on he'll continue to make bad decisions? Maybe he's making all good decisions. Maybe the life is driven. It just felt like it was left in a way that I needed to know more, in a good way, you know? And I thought that was really special. Yeah, I feel like it's a morally ambiguous ending, and you don't know. I don't know if you have a personal relation to it in your pursuit of your wrestling career, but in your early 20s or mid-20s, and you'll stop at no. Yeah. You'll do anything to achieve your dream. Like, I don't know when you met your wife, but when did you meet your wife?
5:43I met her. We've been together 12 years now, so yeah, I was 28. You were 28. Yeah. You met someone at a later stage in life. Yeah. Probably you were more settled and mature with Marty and the character Rachel played beautifully by Odessa Azeon. You know, he's not an upstanding guy with her by any stretch of the imagination. So we'll see where the movie goes. And I thought Kevin O 'Leary was fantastic in it. He's a bit of a wrestling villain in real life. He's sort of archetypally like an asshole. Sure. Publicly. You know, like that's his thing. Yeah, and I feel like though, but put behind the cameras in a situation where his real life, I felt like he really just settled right in.
6:21It didn't feel like I was watching. No, it was amazing. Yeah, I didn't feel like. No, the level of confidence was something of a whole. Like, he did not flinch. He does, from a wrestling perspective, have a little bit of a Mr. Heyman, like you said, that type of villain. He fit in really well, but even his choices in the film. I love Paul Heyman, dude. I like that he's on all the broadcasts. I think he brings, like, such a, I don't want to say level of authenticity, but he just seems like the real. And also, he was away from WWE for a long time, right? Oh, my gosh. I was like 10 years or something.
6:51That's my favorite pay-per-view ever is ECW One Night Stand in New York. Hammerstein. Hammerstein. That was Sabu Ray Mysterio. John Cena. John walking out with the belt high up. They wanted to murder him. RVD. Yeah. RVD. That's an RVD push got canceled there. A lot happens there. For a weed violation or something. Yeah, a lot. This is the classic. John throws his shirt, the shirt comes back. Yes, comes back. But that crowd was electric, man. And JBL talking shit from the stands. I think they did two One Night Stands. They did. The one you're talking about where they all get into it and they're talking, they're yelling at each other.
7:21So that's also where. But that's like a, that's like a master. Talk about acting and Paul's, Paul's like, that's. And also it's like, what he's saying is from the gut. Obviously he's been hired by WWE on that occasion. I'm thinking, but his animosity is so real for what are the corporate big dogs, you know, in a sense. So this is, this is for a wrestling fan or someone who sees him only as Mr. Heyman, Paul Heyman, the wise man, the Oracle, all these wonderful names he has. What they'll, what they'll never see. and obviously on this show, we let it fly. People can know, and what they'll never see is that he sits in the corner of gorilla position.
7:57He's got his own little spot right over there, and really one of, we call him super geniuses, you know, where you've got like a Scorsese in the film. He's a super genius, but this is the thing that people don't know. When you talk about your segment for that night, hey, I feel like I should have something. I should be smart to this. I feel like I should empty the pockets on this. I feel there's more. When you talk about it, he does not go with wrestling parallels. He's not going to show you a clip of Jake Roberts and Rick Root. He could, but what he does is it's lately, hey, check out this Gary Oldman clip.
8:30Check out this Billy Bob Thornton. Those are where he likes to go. But that's something that people will never know, and I always liked it because you said it, and thank you so much for the compliment to our business, that it's not far from pop culture. No, it is. And I feel like even when you see these massive pop stars or streaming stars, this is where we all want to be, myself included. I mean, I grew up on this stuff. And it's, to me, as a big sports fan, big Knicks fan and all that, but also a huge fan of acting and Hollywood, this was the intersection growing up. And that is for charismatic, on-the-mic guys like The Rock, you know, and Stone Cold.
9:08but also like uh marty wright the boogeyman like freaky like out of left field i love that you know boogie's real name no no shoot name no he was he was he was a he was a tough enough contestant you know and um he's sort of like one of the most underrated um i feel like they didn't realize how big he was at the time kind of thing we have guys that we call and i don't know sorry so i mean i'm speaking out of turn oh my gosh you never never as a fan of our business someone who was a writer on that 10 years ago they're gonna see that and go fuck that we know we wrote him perfectly no this This is actually a lot of what the writers will say is we have guys that we call proper lighting guys.
9:41I actually heard this term yesterday. I grew up in the business. This is the first time I ever heard it. And proper lighting guys are the spooky, mystical characters. And the toughest thing is to translate them sometimes to Undertaker was the master of it. Nobody was better than being able to be backstage and be out in the ring and do it all. Sometimes with the mystical. What do you mean by be backstage? He could do a backstage pre-stage. He could talk to a civilian. He could merge them. whereas Boogie was you needed the lights, you needed the worms. Even there's one where John Cena opens a door on SmackDown or something and he has a red light.
10:13Yeah. It begs the question, what was he doing back there with the red light on? Right, right, right. It's a very tricky week. I just heard it yesterday. I was like, well, he's a proper lighting guy. And I thought, what is it? He can't be in a backstage? Oh, I got it. Because some can't do it and some can't. But Boogie was great. Right. Boogie was great. And the worms, I mean, he was really pushing it. He also still comes to the show. These guys actually do it. Really? Boogie still gets brought out to just scare talent from time to time. Really? Boogie appears again. Because he got in trouble about lying about his age on Tough Enough.
10:40I remember reading about that. He was 40, right? He was like, who cares, man? Leave the guy a break. I mean, he looked awesome. His body was in insane shape. That was an era of there was these specifics. It's got to be six foot and up, got to be. Right. Now it's so nice. All the specifics are gone. Which old school wrestling, territory wrestling, carnival stuff, all of that was how it used to be. Well, I've thought a lot about that. And, you know, that's where I've admired Triple H, Paul. I don't know what you're supposed to say, but how he's modernized the business. Because when I watch WWE, it reminds me a little bit, like I've done Saturday Night Live a couple of times.
11:13And it's these things that are these traditional forms. And they're as rich and iconic and productive as they are because of the forms. But inevitably, you kind of have to break them or upend them. and I feel the product now doing that at risk or at reward of opening up the curtain too much. I don't know if that's something you guys think about. No, the beauty in it is it's risk and it's reward and sometimes you'll know when it was all risk. But when you pull the curtain back, Netflix is the Unreal series, for example. That's exactly what I'm talking about. So when you pull the curtain back, here's the opportunity for someone in my position is, okay, great, they see this.
11:57Is there something we can put work under the work? Which now I'm exposing that. Yeah, I know, it's not going to go work, work, work. It's not going to go work under the work under the work. But that to me is, hey, look over here, and this is real. You are seeing something authentic. But sometimes the most authentic and personal stories make for great money, you know, ticket selling in terms of just general revenue. I love how, I don't want to use the word shameless, but I love how it's just something so like American about like. Oh, yeah. It's just like, I think about the Lita, Matt Hardy, edge uh it's right there yeah it's like hey yeah there's a situation here but in that kind of situation in the ring there's still a level of trust between the two guys that the blows aren't lethal i think the coolest thing about what we do is you're you're really bonded by battle one of the coolest things about what we do you're bonded by battle so even someone you do not like even someone that you don't have a speaking relationship with you might have full rivalry with full angle and in there more than ever that's when there's there's no nothing slipped in there you're as trusting with one another in wrestling you'll see if you come back stage like the garden or barclays or anything everyone's just overly shaking hands overly shaking hands and i asked my trainer years ago i'm like what's the thought why are we doing this and i remember him well you tell me and i thought it was a respect thing we respect each other all right and yes but what it actually is i need you so if you're gonna pick me up and slam me on this table yeah i level of trust i need you to do it in a way that that segment ends and i can walk away and i can go back to my family and that's consistently people will never know how real wrestling is right in different different aspects than just what they see in the canon and the narrative and that's the most beautiful thing i hate using him as example but my greatest rival in this company i don't even have to say his name it's as real as it could possibly get it's as real as it could possibly get you would like to be qb1 i would like to be qb1 you it's every piece of it but it's also when we get in there that's probably my favorite guy to make music with i don't know what that is and i don't it's but it just takes a little time and you having been around your world and the medium that you're in i think it's really easy for you to spot the beauty that's under it yeah absolutely when it's done great it's it's hot it's high up there and when it's done bad though wrestling is some of the worst it can possibly be when it's done bad.
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15:36Yeah. Michael Hayes, Dusty Rhodes, massive. They were Bob Dylan people. Who was the wrestling Bob Dylan? A wrestling Bob Dylan? It's not honky-tonk, man. No, honky's a facsimile. Gosh, that's actually, that's... I don't know, somebody's like idiosyncratic, kind of like mysterious, doesn't say too much, but really fucking good. Maybe Jake Roberts. Okay. Maybe. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. Saying things that... Yeah. Bold in his wording, in the vernacular, in his verb, Totally. But also somehow relates that to I'm going to beat up Rick Martel. Yeah. It's somehow all right in there. Kind of spooky. I feel like anyone who's listening or watching, there's definitely a Bob Dylan of wrestling.
16:16Yeah, I wonder who that would be. Who's the Marty Mouser of wrestling? Oh, my gosh. In terms of without giving anything away in the movie, just bad decision, self-sabotage, bad decision. Bad decision, self-sabotage, and then do the ambition driven. Wanting something so bad, stopping at nothing to get it, and kind of finding out their ultimate. No, it is. I'm not. No. Younger. Younger. Me. Yeah. I felt, though, that's one of the things that's super. I remember when I left WWE, all it was was about getting to this end spot. But I didn't know what the end spot was. Like, again, the pursuit of greatness, which is something I wanted to ask you about.
17:01I didn't know, and I did make a mini bad decision and disruptor-like decisions to get there. And now I get to a place where my perspective— But do you actually think those were bad decisions? I don't regret them. Right. I don't regret them, and I don't think in terms of things I would say in a promo, how I left the company, any of that thing. I don't regret them, but today I can't see myself doing them. Okay. Which is something from watching the movie. It's the thought of—and I think for me, my child being born. Now I've got two children now. People say, oh, it changes your life. What I liked about what I saw in the film is it's not just that it changes your life.
17:35The big thing about having children for me was it changes your perspective on life. Like it's not, oh, it just changes your life and everything is different. It changes why you do it. For me, at least. It changes why. And we all make bad decisions. And we continue to make bad decisions. It disrupts your people and people with ambition and with drive and who are leveling up and don't even know why they're leveling up or what their purpose is to level up. I just noticed for me, it became, it's the same, but with a different reason behind. Yeah. And that you're not living for yourself anymore. Yeah.
18:07Yeah. You're living for people that are depending on you. Yeah. In fact, they're here because of you. The movie has a lot of really shocking moments. Just out of nowhere, shocking moments. Like, don't get comfortable. Yes. Type moments. Did you have a favorite part of filming that? No, because those, no matter how much I want to talk about them, I know they'll have more impact. In that, in the actual team. And being surprising. That's what's wonderful about Josh, the director of the movie. I don't know if you saw Uncut Gems with Sandler at the time. They kind of throw every rule out the window of script writing, and they'll be very much, it can take on the structure of, okay, and then this happens, which is unrelated to this, and then this happens, which is unrelated to this, and then this happens, which is unrelated.
18:50And, you know, typically in a screenwriting class, they would say, you know, you plant a thought here that happens. And I really admired that, you know, like approaching a script sometimes as an actor, you'll have act one, you'll have act two, and you'll have act three. And, you know, the lowest moment of act two happens at the end of act two and you kind of rise. And I would try to frame things like that sometimes with Josh and Ronnie, the writer, and they would go, we don't, they would say with humility, like, we don't know what that is. You know, like we don't know if you've written the worst thing ever or the best thing ever because that's just not how we write.
19:18They write about what excites them. We have an actor in the movie named Abel Ferrara who directed King of New York. Abel's movies are a little bit like a 12-year-old boy's fantasy come to life. And Josh, I say this with mad admiration, the movies are a little bit of that quality where it's almost like a fever dream from a kid as opposed to, which I'm really proud of, some intellectual boring affair. That's why I'm trying to push this out as much as possible. and reach new audiences with it because this isn't Hollywood pretentious fare. I don't think. Maybe you could correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm saying the pacing of it doesn't take on a thing of like, okay, we're going to educate you as to why this is good and slow and boring.
20:05And if you don't like it, that means you're dumb and blah, blah, blah. It's like, no. I saw a movie the other day without saying anything. It was an indie movie. But I was thinking if you were a Marvel fan and you only saw Marvel movies and then this was the indie you clicked on, you went, all right, I'm going to give an indie a try. And it was this slow, plotting thing. Then you watch award shows and you haven't heard of anything. And then I'm so proud of Marty Supreme because the pacing is engaging. But also it has a really artful quality to it. I mean, it looks like 1950s New York. It's telling this story of this degenerate kid who is looking out for himself, making terrible decisions and inadvertently getting people pregnant and pursuing his dream of table tennis.
20:45I think that qualifies as the best. I mean, if you said artful, you said artful quality certainly has that. But then also in the beginning of the conversation, you mentioned that there's some popcorn to this. There's an element. And I think that there's a big parallel with wrestling in that as far as some of the best wrestlers in the world, you never, never made it, if that makes any sense. Some of the, in terms of your wrestler's favorite wrestler. And I never wanted to be, at least in my personal shoes or the type of wrestlers I liked, I never wanted to be a wrestler's favorite wrestler. I wanted to and see if I could get it all and merge what's that artistic success, which when I was in LA, I went to Howard Fiennes acting studio.
21:24And maybe one of the only things I picked up was the door to commercial success is rather large. The door to this artistic success is, you know, is do this. And I feel like with wrestling, I like trying to find both. Hell, I'm not afraid to do some crazy high spots and take some silly risk and break the wheel of psychology that's been rooted in this since it started, but also I do like the traditional things that a Hulk Hogan did, a John Cena. Hell yeah. Because their number one thing was about engaging an audience. This performance wasn't for just them. It was for particularly a live audience, which again, Marty Supreme is...
21:59No, but I love framing what I do through these lenses. And that's where being a WWE fan has been so helpful, honestly, because the archetypes are so clear of what you're saying. let's say a Hulk Hogan and a John Cena being a company man versus an Undertaker or a Kane who never speaks, but is perhaps just as popular. And I, you know, one can apply them to, to, to, to their own career, you know, but, uh, uh, I love that framing. This message is sponsored by Raycon. Keep your ears open and your holiday playlist rolling with Raycon's essential open earbuds. These open earbuds let you stay connected to your surroundings while enjoying your favorite music, podcasts, or calls.
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24:04Filming in New York. and doing this in New York. And New York is clearly part of your life. I asked my sister, who's a big fan of yours, and I said, what would you ask him? And she was just saying, that guy's a prince of New York City. Oh, wow. That's how she described it. And I thought, yeah, I mean, it's at the Knicks, game six. It's the next Bad Bunny, which we have to talk about. Yeah, yeah, oh, yeah. This Bad Bunny got into our world. Big WWE. And his whole, I don't know what you call it, story's been perfect and very well received, because I think it felt very organic. He had one of the biggest pops at the Royal Rumble that year.
24:35He also put, I don't want to say put me to shame, but one of my, like, oh, man, this is the new role type moments was the backlash in Puerto Rico. He wrestles Damien Priest at this Puerto Rico street fight. That's what they came to see. They didn't come to see me versus Brock Lesnar. However, it was me and Brock Lesnar on the poster, and we went last. And there's, I never, this is the only moment I'd ever be like, yeah. Because in that moment, I'm like, yeah, it's all right. You know, I'm going on last. I got it. But he kind of put us to shame. Because half the arena was filling out by the time you got out.
25:06No, I mean they stayed and they enjoyed it because they actually set a good frame for us where they wanted the excitement to stay. But that would have been a great way to end the night because they had toys, they had wrestling, they had gimmicks, they had chairs. Right, right, right. Plus it wasn't Brock Lesnar and Goldberg at WrestleMania at the Garden. Do you have an opinion on Brock Lesnar versus Goldberg at the Garden? No, but grew up on the modern WWE product. And because there was an NBA lockout, it gave me a chance to go back and see all this. I had never heard of Goldberg and I don't have anything physically aligned with Goldberg.
25:33I got nothing to relate to him to, really. But I just thought it was the most epic push, I guess is the insider word. But from a fan perspective, like, just the greatest run ever in the Hogan-Goldberg at Georgia Dome. Oh, yeah. Like, it's just, it was just so fucking inspiring, man. There's certain places in New York where their first match happens where the crowd kind of turns on it and takes it on its own. The Lesnar-Goldberg one? Yeah, that was bad. In retrospect, it's not fair, man, because it's like you have these two wonderful guys at their peak, or yeah, pre-peak, even you say for Lesnar.
26:12Not fair. But anyway, yeah. Not fair. No, but I was going to say, that's what I was going to say before about archetypes and stuff, but that's where I lost my train of thought. I can do it and shield myself from the internet and stuff, but what I admire with you guys so much is the live feed, live reaction. Even I was watching Raw the other night, and Cena goes, who wants to see three-on-three Mysterio, Sheamus, or? and most of the crowd's enthusiastic on TV and the front row you have a guy go, no, no. You know, I couldn't believe it. There's a great picture of me. I brought like the winged eagle back.
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26:41I think it's a Saturday night's main event. There's a great picture of me glad-handing coming down in the crowd and the lady behind me is just holding a giant overrated sign and my whole smile. And now I try to kind of peek for them, but that's fun in terms of what we do in a sense. I appreciate saying it's not fair, but it's also one of the things I like the most and back to New York and you being, this being so much part of who you are. New York is the market for a wrestler to come to and see if I got it. Interesting. They don't. If they're not with me, Philly too. Philly sounds worse. Yeah, if they're not with me, then I don't got it.
27:18I need to work harder. And sometimes they also, the fun thing about him, Hammerstein, I wrestled in Hammerstein. Hell, I want to go see a show in Hammerstein. Tell WWE to do a show in Hammerstein. Yeah, well I told him, I talked to Triple H on the phone, I said, He said it's basically impossible to make money there. Yeah. He said there's one elevator you have to load everything in and out of. He's right, and I appreciate that he gave you logistics because at least he was thinking about it. The other thing is it's the worst back of house ever. God bless Manhattan Center and Hammerstein. It's open windows, freezing.
27:49There's no room for anything. Okay. But there's a hidden little gym to Hammerstein wrestling in there other than the beauty of the fans being right on top of you. One of the things is at the end of the night, you can walk out front and they're all there and it's a fun moment but this is also me growing up in the suburbs of georgia just starting to learn to navigate some places i've never been i would there's a little side door it's right there and i'd always whether i was in the main event against j lethal that night or whatever it was i'd always wait a little while and everyone would be going out the front and i just go out the little side door and that's the first time i ever had the new york experience of waving down a cab and just it was this little escape and i always thought i I always look for it.
28:26Whenever I'm at Hammerson, it's right there. That's the exit. Do you miss the product having the chair shots in the head? I'll tell you a terrible chair shot in the head. And everyone in here is going to be like, no, tell this story. I have always, having grown up in the business and wanting to get the business, and you said in the beginning, and that makes me feel so good about closer to pop culture and the big relevancy and be up there with. my dad was very much big on all he was inspired by we'd watch the oscars every year which was a crazy we'd always and he'd talk about robert de niro on the front row and he'd talk about tom hanks and he'd talk about just this these greats and that's where he was trying to get some of his juju for wrestling from but that's a movie man seriously well so i i tried it because i thought hey listen chris evans is hitting people in the head with the shield as captain america you know Why can't we?
29:19We're also entertainment. We've said we're entertainment. So in my efforts to do a chair shot to the head, this was when I was away from here, I said, let's do it safely. Let's shave this chair down. Shave it down. So the metal in a chair, it's a real chair. Sandpaper that chair. Sandpaper, it'll be just like a cookie sheet. It'll be just like a cookie sheet. It's fine. What I realized in the moment, because we do it, I get hit in the head. My Sean Spears. What's in the moment as it's about to? Right after. So what I realized in the moment was twofold. The cookie sheet part worked, but I gave him the old swing for the fences.
29:54Sean Spears, he works at NXT. He can tell the story. It's terrible. I said, swing for the fences. And I could tell he's like, okay, sure. And the hands are down. It's me. Sandpaper part worked. The part that didn't work was the giant bar at the lip of the chair. It's the seat. Wraps around. There's a scar all the way that's around the back of my head now. So I'm laying there thinking, oh, I thought that was kind of, that hurt a bit. and then I start feeling the blood pool. Holy shit. And at the time, Brandy is trying to be scared of him and look at the ref and be there for me in my moment of pain.
30:28But I can tell she's just furious and she's just mad because now I'm busted open laying there after doing this stupid stunt. Yeah. And we're not really even, we're not in the narrative anymore. We're not in the fiction. She is just furious with Sean Spears, furious with me for me. Can he botch it a little bit or not? No, no. No, swing for the fences is the dumbest thing you can tell another wrestler. Like, oh, swing for the fences. He was fine. He did nothing wrong. But the big thing I noticed is it wasn't about whether the chair is real, whether the chair is not. It was about the optics of hitting one another in the head and what they've meant for concussions.
31:04So now, two children, an adult, that's one thing I don't miss is those moments that kind of detach us a little bit. I am a take it on the chin, type of wrestler, I do like a little grit and violence. But I don't want to distract from, say, you and I went out there and did 60 minutes and had this unbelievable story that we told, and we got him here, we took it away, we got him here, we took it away, and then we did one thing in there that became the focal point. Because of how nasty it would look or whatever? Oh, but more because of how just the optics behind our business and concussion protocol.
31:41Because now WWE... But that wasn't a thing 15, 20 years ago, right? No. Yeah, so it's almost like you can't, the guinea's at the bottle, you can't go back. Right. And now today you can't have a hangnail backstage at WWE without Larry coming around the corner. Really? Like, hey, what do you got there? The other day, brother drags me in there. You got to get your blood work, all these things, these commission states. If we're going to expect to be held to the higher standard, I like that we hold ourselves to the higher standard. Right, right, right. I still miss a thing here and there, but chair shots to the head are not one.
32:09I don't like chairs at all. I'd rather go through 55 tables, get hit with 20 Singapore canes. I'd rather do tacks, Legos, chairs. Tacks, my God. I'd rather do any of it than the chairs. The biggest shock for a fan who loves our game and goes and picks up a chair for the first time is they are heavy. Right, right, right. So you've got to get behind that and bring it. And then it's like you protect your elbows, you do the tabletop, never actually protects your elbows. I'm surprised that there weren't more techniques to shave them down. We're a little behind. Yeah. You can't wrap togetherness, but you can frame it.
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33:24Here we go! Boom! Men and women who know how to get the job done. From the top! And when the day is over, nothing's better than celebrating with something truly American. Wheatley is so good, I drink it. This has to be very exciting for you, though, to do this in New York. Absolutely. Period in New York. No, it was, this is, I think, the third film I did in New York. This is the most New York movie I've done. And Josh, who's our director, is like the most New York guy you'll ever meet. Oh, I love that. I mean, he's like, I brought him to Knicks games. Or, well, I've not brought him. He's going to hate it if I say that.
34:01He goes to Knicks games anyway. But he'll kill me for saying that. He goes to Knicks games, but maybe you brought him. Maybe I brought him once, but I was amazed because we're in the front row. and he's heckling the players and the refs like we were in the bleeds. And I'm like, bro, we're in the front row. These guys can really hear what you're saying. And it was the most Josh thing ever. Got a little decorum in the front at least. Yeah, but then I got self-conscious. And if anything, it was Josh who inspired me through my playoff run last year. It's like how self-important I am that I felt like I was part of the team.
34:33but that uh i would having not been a i'm not a knicks fan i'm having not been watching the playoffs i feel you were very much part of the team exactly and that they were on a run it's a little like in middle school i couldn't make the team so they made they gave me a triple xl jersey and i ran back and forth with a flag so i was like sort of like a mascot but uh the most new york um yeah by far and uh no so proud of how the new york edge this movie has and and just the the the faces in the movie are extraordinary. Kevin O 'Leary went out on a limb and he said, we could have AI'd all the extras in the movie.
35:07It was like, Kevin, you're snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. This movie has been well received. Why would you say something like that? Fucking Kevin, keep your mouth shut, man. No, but point being, all those faces, they're extraordinary. I mean, with the background casting, with the detailing of the sets, it's really the most New York move I've ever been in. I feel like one of the most New York movies that's been made recently. Without saying anything, I just saw a show on Netflix a couple months ago that takes place in New York. You can tell as a New Yorker if you watch something that's not, if it's not New York, you know.
35:39So again, I've been very suburbs, Georgian, south, sheltered. Kristen over there does the men's grooming we were talking about. That's probably the first main New York person I ever met. And it always is really intriguing. Like, oh, it's a whole nother. So a movie based in New York feels very... Yeah, about a kid growing up in New York as I've grown up in New York. But I got a lot of love for Georgia. I'm in a different life. I'm from like Gwinnett or something. From Gwinnett? Right around the corner. What are some common red flags people should look out for when sending money to someone? Have you ever fallen for a scam?
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38:11I'm going to have my, I'm going to know. Yeah, exactly. I'm going to have my picks. Exactly. I'm going to have, oh, you're going to throw me a question? I'm going to have an award that this guy won. I'm a little performative in the sense that I'm now talking about some teams that I definitely didn't know, Kansas. But I had some facts. And I went up there, and I remember I had no notes. I was trying to lock it in, right? And I've got both titles because Fanatics, God bless them, always likes to give a title. So I've got the Georgia Bulldog title, and I've got the WWE Championship. I got them. And I remember Lee Corso sitting next to me, looking at me, he goes, no notes, huh?
38:46and I'm thinking why didn't I bring anything up here everybody has notes upon notes but when you went and did college game day oh I had notes man I was so excited because I thought I don't think they know that he knows yeah they had no clue I don't think they know that he's in this like he's a dog he knows exactly so just nailed it dude I appreciate it I had my notes and they definitely didn't I think that was like so Fox Searchlight which is the company that did a complete unknown they're owned by Disney which owns ESPN right so I think it was a little bit of a thing like we you don't want this guy on.
39:15And then I think the heavy hand came in and said, no, have this guy on. But I know I went up there and Saban was looking at me like he hadn't seen something like that before. Yeah. Because I had a pink jacket on. And he was like, I was imagining, imagine if I tried out for one of Saban's teams, man. He would have like, probably would have traumatized me. But that was hilarious. No, I had my notes and I was locked in, man. I was locked in. But I was walking, it was the Mercedes-Benz stadium. I was walking through. I did Drewski last night. I was in this too. I had a little bit of this feeling too.
39:46I was like, what am I doing here? I'm like, is this pushing it too much? No. College football is everywhere. And you came in and you knew yourself. And Cam Scadaboo, man. And now he's a New York Giant. I was shouting out Scadaboo before he was a giant. And before he was shoving Dominic Mysterio with an ankle. And his foot falling off. And Andrew Schultz stirring it all up. I just did the first movie I've been part of. I did Street Fighter with Andrew Schultz. Oh, cool. 1994 and it is the game so trying to capture 16-bit guile 16-bit uh ken and and chun lee it's and and uh andrew plays the joke character in the street fighter series which is dan and bicky okay but i again that's a new world for me i'm there what do you need me to do i'll be there early i'll stay until everybody what would you need me to have a coach what give me all the things this is not my world and i don't want to embarrass my home but i want to do this correctly he was the most welcoming presence.
40:41Andrew. On set. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also I realized really quickly there was a lot of wrestling elements to what we were doing. Because they kept asking, just say, do it differently. Run again. And that I got to just roll. And he was the perfect person for the character to roll with. It was so, so. You're talking about like promos backstage? Yeah, and it was a lot of, that stuff had really loaded me up for, ah, I got one. Well, not to like be the most cliche guy, but when you watch the rock promos. Yeah. And it's so obvious how that translated into his movie work in the best way yeah just timing wise and instinct and what it was like a an insane training ground for his career i feel to do it in front of the audiences and stuff i uh yeah i feel very much i was going to ask you about another wrestler yeah i'm blessed that we have that experience but on dune which dune yes thank you man yes yeah thank you thank you uh you're in there with with big dave he couldn't believe it i knocked on his trailer door and I had the animal theme song playing and I hadn't met oh yeah I hadn't met him and I came out and I did the I was going like that is true machine guns yeah he was he was the look on his face was priceless he had no clue you know that no but I love working with Dave he's a very serious guy very serious actor um the last time I saw Dave I couldn't locate my mom at the Oscars I feel bad because I hope he doesn't think I was Hollywooding him because he was saying hi and I literally couldn't locate where my mother was.
42:05And so anyway, Dave, if you're watching this, I don't know if I just shot myself in the foot by saying that, but I love Dave, man. And also I loved Batista and Rey Mysterio growing up. That was like the WWE I grew up on. And Dave's got one of the best entrances of all time. I miss the pyro techniques, man, I gotta say. I miss the pyro. So I have pyro. Yeah, you - I have almost the majority of the company's pyro. Yeah, exactly, exactly. The budget is allocated for - It's really annoying too because some of the people in Gorilla will be like, oh, you got all three bursts tonight and then I'll...
42:37But what's up? Is it just too expensive to do all the time anymore? No, we've been blessed in some of these buildings. We're doing 360 now. So we went from a sellout is what we allotted. Okay, Paul was playing this to Troubles. The call I was Troubles was like 40 minutes logistics and 10 minutes ideas. I love that you got all this information about our operating... Well, because I said the raw with the gray steel... He had a fancy word for it. I missed that set. Oh, the Titantron? Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah. It was kind of on an angle. Yeah. And I missed the SmackDown fist and all that. And he was basically saying that you sell more tickets now, right?
43:12Or basically that that was there to hide. Exactly. Right, exactly. A lack of, you know, so. But I missed that set. Yes, because we go 360, sometimes you have pyro that's not even pyro. You do the punch and cold sparks, but it's just a noise. and also I think we've as a company maybe tried one time some digital pyro maybe in San Antonio that's awesome yeah that was coming off the roof but wasn't coming off the roof uh there was some moments it's all in it it's all in the efforts because we want as many people to get in the seats as possible but I would be really sad if they came to me I always wait for the shoe to drop I'd be really sad if they came to me and said all right that's it no they can't no yeah we've made it very much part of the thing opens, then the whoa, then the punch.
43:57But then there's an indulgent extra one that's on the buckle, and that's the one that most talent get a little like. I can't believe for the cane. Are we talking about like the cane one on the buckle? Yeah, so mine, I go. Oh, I see, I see, I see. But Glenn's, the old school, he'd be in the center, and they'd always tell you, like if you were in the ring with him, get to the middle, get to the middle. No, I can't believe, knock on wood, that there was never an X. In movies, if you had a live thing going, yeah, there'd be yellow tape, there'd be a guy whose one job it is to keep you away with a pool noodle and he'd make sure, you know, it's...
44:25Pulling you back. Yeah, exactly. But, yeah, the cane thing, I can't believe. Who, for you, has had the best pyrotechnic entrance? Easy, easy. Randy Orton, the pyro shower. The shower on it. Which I don't want to say the golden shower, but it is, that is... It was the golden shower. The golden shower. That was the inspiration. It was. That was the inspiration. Because I thought that's easy. We're not blowing up mortars. It's an easy drop. I also think... The Goldberg one's pretty cool, too. Goldberg is great, breathing through his nose. I try to get a retro hail every now and then from Mike Pryo Pyro.
44:56I don't think it ever works, but I try. Another one was 90s when you had Sid and Razor do the random rig behind them in the ring. Like Razor's doing his whole thing, and there's just what's supposed to be maybe an R or something. There's Pyro behind them. Like DX a little bit with the Pyro in the ring or not? Yeah, a little bit, too. DX has actually great Pyro, too. The green. I like the Jeff Hardy that would shoot out as he's doing the. Yeah. Yeah. Jeff Hardy, we joke about a lot because if you're ever making a run in and like, say you're down in the ring and you're hurting and I was supposed to come and save you.
45:28Jeff is the type that famously one time came out still doing his whole thing. You're like, bro, I'm dying in the ring. And then ran to the ring. Which is every, it's always brought up. A lot of times like we proper nouns like, hey, don't Jeff Hardy me out there. Whoa. Which is that like. Call the amazing things he did. Yeah. You could use it in another way. Jeff Hardy. from there's other Jeff Hardy versions, but that's a famous one where have some urgency. The police coming and getting me because if you don't have urgency, the audience won't have urgency. But that's a famous one because it's very Jeff.
45:59He's sort of like, he's like the Heath Ledger of wrestling or something. What a great way to put it. Yeah. He's like a brilliant artist, weird. What a strange. Yeah. But I loved Jeff Hardy growing up. One of the best finishers ever too. Swanton? Swanton, yeah. I think when he was younger, it hit different. As you get older, that swanton's starting to look for him. Oh, you're saying the gravity's going to start to look for him. You've got to really tighten up. Oh, you're saying on the receiving end? Yeah, if you're on the receiving end. Jeff's the best. Here's Mike because he used to roll off his shoulders.
46:31I think he was a little bit more like it was just different. Now it's like, you know. I will tell you, this is such a silly Jeff story. I'm positive we can keep it. We were in Mexico. We're all at this hotel lobby, and Cena always used to like to hold court. He didn't like to go out. He didn't really want to take any big risk with partying or anything like that. Our bus is leaving the next day at 5 p.m. It's very important that we stay. It's 5 p.m. He sees Jeff walk by, and he's like, Hey, Jeff, come hang. I can't. I can't imagine Cena and Jeff are in the same room. He literally was like, I can't.
47:06I can't miss the bus because he had a habit of missing the bus. I can't. I can't miss the bus. I have to be on it. I want and John goes dude it's five o 'clock it's 8 p.m. right now like you're fine you're gonna make the bus and he legit is like no I'm not I'm not he goes hey you can be the DJ you can play Pearl Jam he's got like the Beats pill at the time and you can see Jeff like reluctantly get called back in all right so he comes in the night turns incredibly fun and I'd say tame but still wild People are in their gear in this fountain in this hotel. Cell phones aren't a massive thing at the moment.
47:42It's not all there. But man, next day, 5 o 'clock. Oh, shit. No Jeff. And I'm on the baby face bus. 510, no Jeff. And then finally at like 520 he comes on. He's still in the clothes from the night before. And he's not like, he's got a mission. He comes on, he finds John. He goes, I told you. I could not go out. And you did this. This is your fault. It was just one of my favorite things ever that he gave him such a specific, I can't do it, man. I can't. And then John called him in. The poor thing didn't make it. Dude, he partied hard, huh? Yeah, Jeff was incredible, though. Yeah. And still, Jeff is one of the - So with the babyface bus, they would literally make you guys - We still do.
48:21Yeah, unless you get real pretentious. Talk about like - Get a car. Yeah. No, but talk about like a Hollywood mentality, like a level of commitment. That's insane. That's like staying in character to the nth degree. There's also a great byproduct to it if you're a babyface and you're on the babyface bus. Maybe you don't like all the babyfaces. Right. Well, if you spend 11 days with them, you get to know something. You learn something. You bond with someone you don't really know. Every now and then there's a Bayface bus, a heel bus, and a party bus. Then you get pretentious like me because I like to stay really late after the show.
48:48I try to meet every fan. That's just a car. And I used to think the idea of being in a car by myself would be fun. And then there's a lot of times at like 3 in the morning in that car where you think, I miss it. I could have just got out of there earlier. I miss it. It's a party bus, man. That happens every now and then. The parties are fairly tame, but at least we know whenever you plan something, it's never going to go as intense as you think. It's not the Ric Flair days of partying? No, not at all. Big news. WWE and sports fans, the world's number one sports fan festival, Fanatics Fest, is making its return to New York City.
49:23Fanatics is bringing you closer to the leagues, teams, superstars, and athletes you love across four action-packed days in July. Meet your favorite WWE superstars. Get your hands on exclusive merch, catch live podcasts, and interact with the biggest names in sports. Tickets are on sale now, and fans of the podcast can use code CODY10 at checkout for 10 % discount. Head to FanaticsFest.com to get your tickets today. One of the big things I want to ask you about, and forgive me if a zillion people have asked you about this, your speech, talking about the pursuit of greatness, saying you were going for greatness, and saying most people don't like to say that, but you're saying that and talking about being inspired by these actors, but also these athletes, which is glad we're in the Fanatics lounge.
50:09You know, my favorite athlete of all time, Tom Brady's helmet's right over there. This is an odd way of wording this question. I feel like I know why you said it, or I, in my mind, but I want to know why you said it, if that makes any sense in terms of, I'm a big will it into existence. I, oh, you don't believe me? Hey, I'm going to, I'm going to do it. I needed to say it to believe it myself. In that moment, was there anything behind what you were saying or was it just what you were feeling and what you meant? It's just what I was feeling, man. It's more complicated than that. And also, you put something out in the world and that's how it's framed all of a sudden.
50:46So if it rubs people the wrong way or rubs people the right way, at least that's the framing. And I'm sure you feel it in your business too. There's such nostalgia for De Niro and Daniel Day-Lewis but if you're a young gun like myself or like yourself, it's like, well, wait a second, we're still doing it. And because attention is so fractured now online, I feel like you kind of have to shout it sometimes to get heard. And so that was the thought. Might be my favorite thing I've ever heard on this podcast. Amazing, cool. Because I hate nostalgia, but I love my business. I already know what these guys all did for us.
51:23Thank you. They've set a table that I get to eat at, but man, they can't keep coming back. We had to, just from a wrestling perspective, we've got to move forward. I don't want them coming back. And I don't mean any disrespect. I want them to come to a show and sit and watch a show. Watch a show, watch what they've done for their business. But the idea of you saying it, it was something that I found definitely didn't rub me the wrong way. It's incredibly appealing. And I don't think enough people are in the pursuit of greatness, are afraid to say it. Mediocrity loves company. And when you find a circle of people that don't even go closest to you, don't want you to go for it and exactly yeah they say in australia tall poppy syndrome which is like they want all the poppies to grow the same height so but what i would hope even in you recapping it like that is that it's not to go it's not to say uh put put yourself or myself in another category it's to say to anybody watching or listening it's to almost speak to them and for someone to know oh if i'm going to do it you you have to be you have to be your biggest fan and your biggest supporter and like you just said we're in a culture of just snake I don't say negativity but it's hard it's hard you know and I went to performing arts high school so I was well supported but there are all those moments when you're a teenager someone says the wrong thing and you feel down you feel bad about yourself and you don't feel like you can pursue what you want to pursue you know so you know and all the music I grew up on and the wrestling I grew up on it was ambitious it was larger than life you know it was stone cold and I know we You just said, we're not going to be nostalgic right now.
52:51No, but that inspires you to be the same. Exactly. To go, to be bold. Exactly. To be bold and go for it. And again, this movie is, thanks so much for letting us look at it. Oh, man, thank you. I cannot encourage people who are watching this for the first time, the wrestling fans, to see Marty Supreme. It was very special. And again, being bold, being ambitious. Yeah. And the choices that you make. Comes out Christmas Day, correct? Christmas Day, yes, sir. Is there anything else you want us to know? No, I mean, we hit all the wrestling. We went way through wrestling. There's going to be some people who are like, they just talked about wrestling, right?
53:30Which I knew you liked, but we get a lot of fake nerd girls, if that makes any sense, where it's, oh, I love Star Wars. No, you don't. You tell me, this was a case. Never heard that fake nerd girl. Yeah, you know, like where they're trying to like, I love that. You don't have to say it if you don't. Now you've set the bar for yourself. In this case, you clearly, clearly have a specific era in mind, too, and love our industry. And I'm so glad. You have to get out and come to a show. Absolutely. And thank you so much for having me on. And keep crushing it, man. And you've got the company on your back.
54:06Yeah, it's just all downhill now. I read that the other day. It started at the top, and I've been working my way down ever since. That's a great way to put it. Yeah, at a certain point. Oh, man. Again, Marty Supreme, it comes out Christmas Day. It was absolutely incredible. And I, again, the thing I liked the most is that I got to ride back with the crew people and discuss all the things we got from it, wondered about it, intrigued by it. And then, of course, Kevin O 'Leary, Fran Drescher, all these moments of... What's your relationship to Fran Drescher? None. Just growing up on Fran Drescher.
54:40Just growing up. Yeah. And then to see someone in that light is special, to see them grow and see them be in a different role. I got the same out of Winona Ryder, there's the transition that goes on there. Who was more on your wall growing up, Gwyneth Paltrow or Fran Drescher? I'm gonna probably say Gwyneth Paltrow. Okay. Which one of the reasons, again, I don't want to spoil any of the movie, Gwyneth Paltrow is amazing in the movie. I didn't really, it's hard to bring up because there's a lot of riz going on. Yeah. And there's a lot of, that's amazing in terms of her performance in this as well.
55:16So there's the difference in terms of nostalgia and active and still and changing and evolving. And those were two great moments where we saw people that we see and we grew up with in completely different roles and giving you your plaque. Yeah, absolutely. And her part is heartbreaking and nostalgic in a sense. Dude, thank you so much for coming. Thank you, Cody. Dude, absolutely pleasure. Thank you, buddy. I really appreciate you. Timothy. Yeah. Yeah.
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