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2:19Oh, Megan, we knew. We knew, and we talked about this actually, going into Night of Champions. You and I had many a discussion about how so many of the matches had these ramifications that I don't think people even took into account. Like the branch off effect that all the different results would have. And the fact that we would roll right out of Night of Champions and be on this road to SummerSlam. a now two-night stadium event that is bigger than it's ever been. Well, if anyone didn't believe that to be true, I think that Monday Night Raw proved that it indeed was.

2:59Sam Roberts:Well, on a weekend just filled with so much wrestling, we didn't have any time to come down to earth and settle because already we're talking about massive SummerSlam matches that we got graphics for tonight. There were multiple. Yeah, we have one graphic coming out of Night of Champions. One. One. But now, I mean, we're really, this card is really taking shape. And I want to start with something that did indeed produce a graphic. So building up to the King of the Ring and the finals and Obafemi beating Jey Uso at Knight of Champions. So many scenarios were thrown around from all of us that opine.

3:44Could it be this one going after Oba or Oba will go after that one? Would it be, you know, on Monday Night Raw last week, Oba called out Roman Reigns to an extent. But then on SmackDown, he stared down Cody Rhodes.

4:00Sam Roberts:And reminded us all of Saturday Night's main event and thought, hey, I would love that match as well. But then Cody Rhodes wasn't even the champion. No, he wasn't. Coming out of the Night of Champions P.L.E. So we get to Monday Night Raw and Oba Femi starts the show as the king. And he has his entrance. And Atlantic City goes absolutely wild. As they should. For Oba Femi. And he walks out there and he's holding his crown as king. And he says that. And that's a pretty big crown. But Oba's hands are just so massive. Yeah, that's the thing. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. Except his head was already super heavy.

4:41Sam Roberts:Exactly. He's a big guy, this Oba Femi. Luckily, he's got those big shoulders, that big neck. It all maintains itself. So he's got that crown and he says, that was a reception befitting of a ruler, but now a reception befitting of a king. And you're just like, yeah, dude. I mean, Obafemi at this point can really do no wrong. That's true. You just, you look at him and a lot of times there are a lot of superstars that have struggled. with the idea that it is very clear that the WWE looks at this star as a, you know, marquee talent that is going to be a star for the next several years. John Cena had a tough time when fans said, we figured out that WWE wants him to be a star for the next 15 years.

5:36Sam Roberts:Think back to Roman Reigns. Roman Reigns had a tough time when fans said that. I mean, the powers that be were literally doing media leading up to Night of Champions telling you straight up, Obafemi is going to be a massive star in this industry for the next 15 plus years. And there is nothing about seeing Obafemi that doesn't just scream that that is true. This is one that everybody is on board with because Oba is completely undeniable in every single thing that he's done. Yeah. And when he starts talking about destiny, I feel like he's not defined by destiny. Destiny is defined by him. Yes. The world is at his fingertips.

6:15And just as he's about to get into it, just as he's about, because we left Night of Champions without knowing which champion Obafemi was going to face.

6:25Sam Roberts:And we knew that tonight Obafemi had a decision to make. Right. Just as he's about to get into the decision. And then, boom! The Beast's music plays. Brock Lesnar shows up on Monday Night Raw. and I mean the fact that like Brock is just in the habit of showing up unannounced I mean Brock is one of these guys that you put on the poster Brock is one of these guys leading up to Wrestlemania that you announce the dates that Brock Lesnar is going to be on the show but that's not the way Brock always likes to do business not right now sometimes Brock just likes to show up and Brock he can do that of course he can who's going to stop Brock Lesnar zero individuals and he has just confidence about him when he returns this smirk this smile on his face and i love when paul hayman comes out alongside brock lesnar because in an instant you forget that just a couple weeks ago he ate a spear through the barricade well there is italy there is something about brock lesnar that sprinkles that pixie dust onto paul hayman the paul hayman is at full power yes and it might not be I mean even with the bloodline Paul Heyman there's just something especially you look at it now and it's like Paul Heyman at full power is Paul Heyman positioned next to Brock Lesnar and it reads on his face there's just something about that partnership between the two of them and look at Brock Lesnar Brock Lesnar walking into Atlantic City just realizing that he's still every building that he walks into he absolutely owns that he is looking at a spot where everybody is staring at this specimen obafemi with their jaws on the ground and Brock Lesnar with just a stare of absolute intensity eats the camera lens alive and lets you know that it doesn't matter what superstar it is that every room that Brock Lesnar walks into that has a wrestling ring in it is his room it doesn't matter that he's a ruler it doesn't matter that he's a king it doesn't matter that he's choosing the world champion to face at SummerSlam a new beast has arrived and he is completely captivated our entire attention and Paul Heyman is walking around like it's almost like when you have the partner that everybody in the room wants and you know that partner has chosen you and only you.

9:05You're the only one they have eyes for. Paul Heyman being able to be there with Brock Lesnar and knowing that Brock Lesnar not only can pick and choose who he spends his time with, but takes joy in not spending time with almost anybody, has chosen Paul Heyman as the ultimate ally. I mean, this is a gift for somebody like Paul Heyman that I think Paul Heyman wakes up grateful for every day.

9:33Sam Roberts:Of course he does. He's got an extra pep in his step when he's walking. And to your point about when Paul Heyman was alongside the bloodline, when he was alongside the vision, when Seth Rollins was in charge, Paul was taking orders from people. When he's with Brock, this is Paul Heyman at his ultimate power. And then to your other point about being with the person that's the best in the room. The bell of the ball. The bell of the ball chose you. The bell of the ball, Brock Lesnar. That's a t-shirt. I like it. Yeah. I mean, you typically, when you think bell of the ball, you wouldn't immediately jump to Brock Lesnar, but the way that you laid it out and described it.

10:14Context matters. I'm in. All right, good.

10:16Sam Roberts:Completely in. Brock Lesnar. And I love too. I love when Brock Lesnar grabs a microphone. I love when Brock Lesnar starts feeling froggy and decides he's going to jump. I love when Brock Lesnar grabs a microphone these days. Because he doesn't have to talk. No, he's got a guy to talk for me. He even said, I heard your promos have been really good. I can't cut a promo. That's why I got Paul Heyman here. Paul Heyman's yelling in the background. Good promo. He's coaching him. That's what you need. I wish I had somebody like that. Gotta have a coach hype man. I got one of the, actually, I got one of the guys in the control room.

10:47They're in my ear the whole show going like, great job, Sam. Great, Sam. That's a good podcast you're doing right now. This is a good one. This is a good one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're going crazy for it right now.

10:55Sam Roberts:They don't do that in my ear. Well, I mean, they will at some point if, well, it doesn't matter. So Brock Lesnar straight up is not a, you know, not Sam Rule follower. We all know one of the rules is watch the product. Brock says he doesn't watch the product. So he's saying he has no idea what Obafemi's been doing. He said, I heard you won the King of the Ring. That's great. I love he goes, everybody knows I don't watch the product. I don't watch the show, he said. Everybody knows I don't watch the show. And here's the thing about Brock. I believe him. I do too. I don't think he watches the show.

11:28Sam Roberts:I don't think at all. I don't think he's at home going like, ooh, Monday. You know what that means. Let me check in. I don't even know if he has a Netflix subscription. Definitely not. Probably not. What, Saskatchewan? Yeah. I don't know. He's got internet. You know, he's busy hunting animals and whatnot. I don't know. I'm not going to try to figure out his life for him. He's got it figured out clearly. So he says, I don't watch the show. I don't know what's been going on. Congratulations on the King of the Ring. You won it. I only know because you're holding the crown. I didn't see it. I don't watch.

11:58Sam Roberts:At one point I was king of the ring. He said many years ago, I won king of the ring too. So I know, you know, congratulations. But he said, he said that I heard, says I don't watch the show. Paul's got to tell me what's going on. And Paul said that when I'm not around, you like to call me names. Paul said that when I'm not around, you call me a coward. he said that you call me and then he wow he said the b word he said a b the female dog b yeah right and he goes he goes well you know what they say talk you know what get get hit and i mean winds up and kicks the king of the ring directly in the gonads the low blow of all low bowl low blows football to the groin and Obafemi keels over at which point Brock picks him up F5s him and then exits and his music playing and he's almost laughing like he just showed up to send a message right like he's giggling about it and Paul's yelling that was a great promo that was a great promo great promo he did have a pretty good go home line right what was the go home I mean that Talk you know.

13:16Sam Roberts:Oh, yeah, yeah. I was about to say. Yeah, between that and a literal F5. I mean, it rhymes. Then you have the low blow. It's pretty great. It really was a well-executed promo. You can't argue with Paul Heyman on that. No, Paul Heyman was right on the money. But that wasn't the end. And he really did. He was just laughing to himself. I love the idea that Brock Lesnar showed up to Atlantic City knowing that, okay, Obafemi's been running his mouth. so I'm going to show up and on a day that's very important to him I'm just going to show up and embarrass him and I'm going to leave I'm just going to show up, first segment, kick him in the nuts F5 him and then leave and then from Obafemi's perspective you've got to imagine imagine if Brock Lesnar just leaves and Obafemi just has to go as I was saying I'd like to pick my champion now that's tough, that's a tough position for King of the Ring Obafemi to be in especially because I believe that even after Obafemi won the entire King of the Ring tournament with no questions to be asked.

14:17It is haunting Obafemi that he lost to Brock Lesnar.

14:22Sam Roberts:Of course it is. It is haunting Obafemi that there's one guy since his main roster debut that has a W over the ruler, and it's Brock Lesnar. He took seven F5s to Brock in that match? Yes. I think he probably has a nightmare of at least one F5 every single night. I would imagine too. But I would imagine it's not so much the physicality of it. It's like the disappointment, right? Right. Yes, that he lost to Brock Lesnar after beating him at WrestleMania. And that's why he gets up before Brock Lesnar is left. And he says, you know, he... It's grasping the reality, right? That Obafemi, this ruler, lost to Brock Lesnar.

15:05And he gets up and he goes, this is my shot. and he tells Brock Lesnar, I'll say it right to your face. And he drops these coward words and these B words on Brock Lesnar right to his face. And then he says, I challenge you to a match at SummerSlam.

15:24Sam Roberts:And we're all going, what? He's supposed to face a world champion at SummerSlam. This is massive. This is massive because you're looking at the psychology of what all happened. And what all happened was Brock found out that there was some guy that was talking stuff about him while he wasn't there. And so he went to that guy's biggest career moment that he's had on the main roster so far and took that moment to embarrass him. Just to send a message because Brock Lesnar is the type of guy that won't allow one person to do that. Because if one person does it, the next person does it and the next person doesn't.

15:59He's going to stop it right there. That was Brock Lesnar's motivation. Now Obafemi, who is not only haunted by that loss, has been embarrassed on his day. So he says, enough. I understand I'm entitled to an opportunity for the world championship or the WWE Undisputed Championship. But as he said backstage to Adam Pearce, I know I will get another opportunity at the championship. And there is no doubt in anybody's mind. Like nobody looks at SummerSlam and go, well, this is the one time Obafemi's ever going to get a championship match.

16:35Sam Roberts:No one's looking at this and saying Oba's blowing it. Right. Oba's throwing away an opportunity. Nobody's looking at that. But also Brock put Oba in a situation here where he came to his night on Monday Night Raw to embarrass him. Puts Oba in a situation where Oba had to challenge Brock at SummerSlam. He should have. And he did the right thing. Challenged him at SummerSlam. Brock Lesnar decided to up the ante. Which is crazy. And put the match in a Brock Lesnar specialty, which is the hell in a cell. I don't believe that Brock Lesnar has ever lost a hell in a cell. I don't believe that Obafemi has ever competed in a hell in a cell.

17:12So the idea that we get this, the graphic is made, it is official, that Obafemi, instead of wrestling a champion at SummerSlam, is wrestling Brock Lesnar in a rubber match inside the hell in a cell. And if I'm not mistaken, Megan, this is huge. Speaking of champions, we have a special guest on the Raw Recap. We didn't know if this was gonna happen. We didn't know if he was gonna be able to join us. That's why I didn't mention it in the cold open. But ladies and gentlemen, joining us on the Raw Recap, the new WWE undisputed champion, Sami Zayn. Megan, you know what I always say. I can't stop saying it.

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19:10I don't mind it. I don't mind it. Don't settle for ordinary fan gear. Make a statement with Prosphere. Head over to Fanatics and check out the full collection today. a pro sphere on fanatics gear designed for fans who live the WWE universe. And we thank you for joining us. How good does it feel Sammy Zane to be announced as the undisputed WWE champion? You know, I'm still processing it a lot, believe it or not. It's kind of hard to fully take in, but uh i guess if i had to answer in one word it feels just great it really does it feels like the weight of the world's off my shoulder i think anyone who's uh paid attention has seen that i kind of drove myself to the edge of sanity a little bit there for for a while just by putting so much pressure on myself to win this thing and and you know it's here and i feel like i can just breathe feels great how important is it too that of the two championships the wwe undisputed championship and the world heavyweight championship that it happens to be that one that's on your shoulder I mean we were a lot of us were there you know years ago in 2023 when we thought that might be the moment and then there was this reality that sunk in that it was like oh no what if that's what if that was it what if that's as close as we're ever gonna get with Sami Zayn for you to all these years later be back and to have that title is there a special significance I mean, a hundred percent, but I'll be honest, you know, like I didn't lose the faith and I certainly didn't lose the faith after, um, after the match in Montreal, you know, I thought that I'm not going to say it was a, it was a heartbreaker, no doubt.

20:57Okay. But I thought, you know, this is the closest I've come. So I'll just get closer and closer until I get there. The one that really did my head in a little bit was coming up short against drew this past January at the Royal Rumble. Because after that one, you know, that's when I was already starting to feel I felt like maybe I had missed my window. And I couldn't give up faith. But it was the first time my faith was shook. It was if I'm being totally honest. I knew I had the talent. I knew I had everything I knew I was just as good as any of these guys drew Roman Cody, Seth. And the proof is you've seen me mix it up in the ring with all of them.

21:38You've seen my body of work. There's no question my mind that you know these are my peers and that's almost what made it more maddening is why them and why not me why is it so close and i just can't get my hands on it and after losing at the rumble you know that's where i i think you saw me kind of losing it or crashing out backstage over the months it's because i think what was happening was maybe the realization was going on deep down that maybe i'd missed that window and i was starting to see the sea change with trick you know and the fans getting behind trick and they were kind of it kind of moved on from my story and they were into oba and javon and braun breaker and there was like this this idea that oh my god it's like their windows opening and i think mine might have closed and i'm only saying this now i'm only kind of realizing it now that this is actually on my shoulders but i think that's a big reason why i was i was i was slipping you know i was slipping But I'm really proud of myself for never changing, for staying true to my guns and for I think the biggest thing is the way I want it.

22:42You know, that's a really big deal to me. I didn't cheat. I didn't, you know, knock out a referee. I didn't there was nothing nefarious about it. I rolled him up with the wrestling hold and I won the middle of the ring. Just like I said, 10 years ago, when I said, I'm going to win this the right way. And I did. And so I'm immensely proud of myself for that. yeah and you also pinned the champion in a triple threat which is again one of those little things that you can do where like you win but you don't really win you got the little loophole right right right right did you yeah and look i you know i know cody and my friendship has kind of fractured a little bit over the last few months as well and maybe i'm you know partially to blame for some of that but um he is still cody roads and you know i call him the golden boy and I know that kind of maybe rubs him the wrong way, but to me, that's a huge honor to be the golden boy, the chosen one, the guy who's QB1.

23:36He's the guy. He's the guy to beat. He's the guy whose entire company is kind of hitched to his wagon. So to be for him to be the one that I beat. And, you know, I won't lie. There are some personal reasons I made it extra satisfactory and we don't need to get all into that now. now um but the fact that it was cody roads um that i pinned there's that's something there is some poetry there there is and you know maybe we can explore that more one day i don't think now is the time for it but um it was special it was special to beat him when you talk about poetry too it's like i i think that there's something so unique about this moment and this version of you the last real good guy being the one who got the wwe championship because even though like and i'm sure it was very special winning it in Riyadh where you had the entire audience on your side and you got that ovation and you got that moment.

24:29But the reality is that in 2023, maybe even in 2024, it felt like no matter where you were, the fans were on your side. And it feels like now in a very real way, you've become a polarizing figure with a lot of fans. And there are a lot more fans now, I think, that we're casting that doubt on you. For you to be kind of telling that same story of this guy who just, like you said, since 2023, I keep trying, I keep trying, I keep trying. But then not only feeling like new wrestlers coming in and the Trick Williams of the world coming in and going like, ooh, ooh, maybe this new wave is here. But feeling that fans are starting to kind of lose that sort of Sammy's our guy spirit.

25:19Is that something that affected you here? A hundred percent. And I think I really only pieced it together now once the way of the world came off my shoulders and was replaced with the weight of this championship gold. That's when I kind of realized how damaging that last loss of the Rumble was because I realized, oh no, I burnt this card. You know, like I can't play this hand again. The Cinderella story of the underdog who finally wins the big one. It's been played now. I can't, you know, I had it in Montreal. I had it here in Riyadh. You know, you can't ask them to come along a third time at that point.

26:00Cause even in reality, it was actually like the ninth or 10th time at that point. But you know, that story really getting to marinate and really being the crux of the story the focal point of the story going into the match like you can't tell that story again because you know they just won't buy it again they've already they've already been on board and they already you know you can only ask them to come on the train for so long and that's why you know i mean what i say when i'm talking about the rider dies because for as much as you know i like to pretend that it didn't bother me at all then you know some of the fans turning their backs are getting fed up with me or my story or whatever they're hurt they hurt and uh the fans that didn't jump off like that means a lot to me the ride or die fans that stayed it means a lot to me and there's a part of me that you know my feelings are or were very hurt by these fans that are turning their backs on me but at the same time part of me kind of understood it because it's like how many times can i ask them to stay and come up short but that didn't make you know that that's when i really think about it that's when i access what i call higher plane sammy when i you know think on a more deeper and spiritual level but on the surface i'm just like anyone else you know i get my feelings hurt when i devote my entire life to trying to to win four of these people and then half of them are jumping off board going like oh we're done you know like that hurts man that hurts that really hurts because i i gave you know i i have a really my whole thing is my connection with the fans you know like some people their thing is this or that or they're cool or they're uh you know whatever uh counterculture or they're everybody's got their little thing my thing was the fans and the connection of the fans so to lose half of them or whatever man you know i don't know it's i like to pretend i don't care and i like to pretend like oh go ahead boo if you want to boo think i care i got my ride or dies but man can't i can't sit here and pretend it doesn't hurt but it hurts a little less now that i got this you know

28:02Sam Roberts:sammy in the moment that you pinned cody rhodes and became the undisputed wwe champion shortly after you had an interview with byron saxton and all of us who were sitting watching you we were thinking back you know to the moment that sammy zane signed with wwe to the moment when sammy Zane became NXT champion to your WrestleMania match with Johnny Knoxville to when you were fighting WWE conspiracies to Montreal to the honorary use like all of these moments just came rushing back that we got to share with you but when you won the title what moments were you thinking about I don't I don't think I was thinking about anything too specific I was like over what it's it's a really strange thing and I can give you a long-winded answer about what you feel when you reach a goal like that and it's very complicated it's not at all what you think it is uh you know like i watched the guys win the stanley cup and they're just like yeah yeah they're just all smiles and they're just jumping up and it's like pure elation and i was like oh maybe that's what it'll be like and it wasn't like that at all like you know there's you get hit with sadness and gratitude and happy you get hit with like a million things and there's so much that your brain can't process it all so it almost like shuts down for a second and then none of it feels real and then it comes in like these waves of different emotions so it's so complicated i can't begin to totally explain it but there wasn't a single moment um that came to mind for me it was more of the big picture thing like when you start saying about all those iterations of me since i put pen to paper with wwe i just think to myself man what a great career you know and i did i did make myself a little sick with the pressure I put myself to put to win this but I was always saying even if I never won it what a career I've had there are people who've won the championship multiple times and if I may be so arrogant as to say I still think a lot of them still didn't have the career I had in terms of these things that are just these chapters that were so memorable or that touched people or that you know um I don't know they're just like special and they were good you know it's not all about the championship it's not although it kind of is too now it is now it is now wow but but you know i had to i had to be okay with the fact that look there are champions there are multiple time world champions who never got to tell a story like the bloodline story you know what i mean yeah like they never got to even with a championship without change if they never got to touch people in that kind of way and to like rock the foundation of the business like that like that was a really special thing and i'm just picking one you know i think my time at nxt was also incredibly special like building a brand you know what i mean and and being a huge part of that and uh just this like i don't know this i've done a lot of great things i'm really really really proud of all of it and then when you start putting it all together you're like wow you know just wow i'm just floored but it's not an arrogant thing it's like a gratitude thing like man i can't believe I had this career and it ended with it and it didn't even end but I got here you know it's not even over but it's like I I did it I can't believe it I did all that great stuff and I still did this too you know wow I I love the way that that's what that you frame that Megan that you frame that question because it is true and I feel like if you track your career in WWE it's full more maybe more than anybody else of of moments that were never guaranteed and just as easily could not have happened.

31:38I don't think people really remember when you were signed to NXT that guys like you, the independent guys of the world, were not really getting signed to WWE. The WWE wasn't looking at independent wrestlers. And those were kind of this other thing over here and that you were one of the people that opened that door. I think about you coming to the main roster and having that match with John Cena, except you blew out your shoulder in the entrance and like you weren't able to capitalize on it you know what I mean and that could have been the step back I think of all these things and the I mean the the Wrestlemania match like you just brought up with Johnny Knoxville which for a lot of people would have been like oh man I got to do this celebrity match but you guys bring the house down and then you go into the the bloodline and you look at the reality and this struck me as you know somebody who was a unashamed you know super fan of the bloodline story the fact that you like you look at the landscape of wwe in 2026 in this moment roman reigns and sammy zane are the two top champions yeah that's not lost on me you know yeah it's gonna be cool it's it's wild man well there there's that and um like you're bringing up you're bringing up something interesting and it's become very cliche to say like this was my dream the wwe championship the wrestlemania main events the grand slam all of that this was my dream but if i'm being totally honest you can't even say that it's a dream because i almost look like dreams as like they're almost goals that you can work to and attain i would say they were more like fantasies in that i couldn't even dream of them because they were unfathomable when i was breaking into wrestling but the kids that people that looked like me it did not exist in the wrestling business so i can't even pretend to say like yeah i'll get there it didn't exist it it wasn't a possibility you know winning the just if i just made it to wwe i i swear i kid you not at one point i remember when i was starting i said to myself if i just set my foot in a wwe ring then i'll have lived the dream i'll have done it that was the extent of like my goal of course there was this other stuff but it was so fantastical it was so above like unfathomable that i i don't even say dream i say fantasy it's beyond reality it was not something that was like an available option to even dream about to even put yourself in those shoes that's how unattainable it seemed so to come here and do what i've done um like just from a achievement perspective is absolutely mind-boggling but for me when i'm when megan when you ask that question for me when i when i think of the common thread of some of those things like the knoxville match the nxt time the match with nakamura the story with kevin the story with all that stuff i swear i don't know when i got this thought but i just thought man these stories are also um first of all the range is pretty significant between a lot of them but they're just so not like wrestling stories i grew up watching because i'm really not a character like the characters i grew up watching you know what i mean yeah like there's i was thinking of this when i did the promo or like some some interview you were something with Cody you know you're talking about like you're my friend and my feelings are hurt and stuff like that and it just doesn't sound like what you heard wrestlers and WWE superstars of the past say but like it's real and it's honest and everybody could hang their hat and there's like a vulnerability or a sensibility and a sensitivity like mixed with that uh aggression and because I can you know still have those matches and back it up and and turn it up when it's time to turn it up.