WWE Now - Roman Reigns PREVAILS in TRIBAL COMBAT, Jacob Fatu falls in line | Clash in Italy Recap

19:04Sam Roberts:Yes. Okay. We've also seen Roman nonstop since before WrestleMania. The vacation conversation? Can that stop? That can stop. But that's Roman, right? That's how dangerous it is? like the only things you could hold against him were always completely in his control. I'm choosing to take days off. I'm choosing for interference. The minute that I stop, what are you going to say then? What are you going to say about me now? People really have to grasp at the straws. Yeah, because then you're like, oh no. There's nothing. He really was. He was just giving this to us. He's decided and now I take it away.

19:41Yeah, I can't wait to see how this is dealt with on Monday Night Raw tomorrow.

19:46Sam Roberts:I know you said going in, I'll support whoever is the tribal chief, but let's be real. You were rooting for Roman, right? I was rooting for the tribal chief. That's who I'm always rooting for. And my loyalty as the real honorary Oos, as was declared by Jacob Fatu, who absolutely has the power to declare that, as an honorary Oos, I would absolutely follow the rules of tribal combat. That's what it is. I love my tribal chief. I love Jacob. I love Jimmy and Jay. I love you solo. I'm very fond of the Tongans as well, quite frankly. Very nice political answer by you, Sam Roberts. Very nice. It wasn't political.

20:26It wasn't political. It was right. Listen, you know, recently on Raw Recap and on WrestleMania Recap, if I'm not mistaken, we celebrated the juice breaks that you guys take every day. You know, everybody needs a little juice break. We talked about the trade-offs, the sleep you give up, The social awkwardness that you endure and the grind that you push through just to get those small victories.

20:50Sam Roberts:But tonight, the stakes are on a different level. We're at Clash in Italy where the tradeoffs aren't just about laundry or meetings. They're about legacy. On the grandest stage of them all, every superstar has to decide what they're willing to sacrifice to bring the juice and walk out a champion. I'm sorry, I was just taking a juice break. I just let me let me let me get back to I was bringing the juice for a moment. Let me if I could stop myself from bringing the juice. I will tell you like Cody Rhodes, for example, right? Cody, he was putting it all on the line again to remain the undisputed champion.

21:25He knows the trade off of risking his title to continue to solidify his era. He didn't tap out on his vision. No, he said, and this is what he said. I'm going to bring the juice. And that is a win worth cheering for.

21:40Sam Roberts:Exactly. Or in the match tonight between Rhea Ripley and Jade Cargill. For a while there, it looked like it was total Jade Cargill domination. Well, she was bringing the juice for a little bit. She was. But not on Rhea Ripley's watch. Rhea Ripley cannot tap out to the juice, whether it's a superstar in the ring or you navigating a chaotic Monday morning. Minute Maid and WWE are the ultimate tag team partners. It's amazing that Rhea Ripley was able to bring the juice without taking a juice break at all. No break. She's incredible. We celebrate all of those choices. We celebrate the trade-off. And most importantly, we celebrate the boost of positivity that keeps you in the fight.

22:23Sam Roberts:So remember, when life tries to put you in a submission hole, don't tap out. Never tap out on taste. Bring the juice. Bring the juice. Yeah, nailed that one. I figured if I did it quicker, it would be tougher for you to do it in unison. That was not helpful. But I will say, that's a good one. I'm just glad you didn't get embarrassed this time. Why would I get embarrassed? Oh. Well, I don't want you to bring stuff up. You know, we had a huge rematch on Clash in Italy tonight. night Brock Lesnar versus Oba Femi and the question was asked by Brock Lesnar can Oba take an ass whooping that's what Brock Lesnar asked Brock Lesnar said he took one he took one so much that his emotions took over and he got uh he was feeling it in the moment and he decided to leave his boots in the ring after Oba Femi took him out however he did he did and then he changed his mind held up the X and everything.

23:27He did. He did. And he was in his socks. He changed his mind. And it's like, I love that thing. Like, first of all, we're acting like there's never been a wrestler that changed his mind before on retirement. Like, John Cena's literally the only wrestler that's ever actually retired. And I guess, AJ, the only wrestlers that have ever retired got retired by Gunther. Everybody else comes back for at least something.

23:49Sam Roberts:It's crazy. But, uh, Brock Lesnar coming back. And that's statistic. that Michael Cole gave us, that it's been 24 years since Brock Lesnar wrestled in Europe. I mean, and it's not shocking because of that, that when that music hit, that ovation was so loud for him. Well, it's also, we talked about this, you know, heading into this Brock Obamash, a lot of people said, if that's it for Brock Lesnar, if WrestleMania was his retirement moment, I'm at peace with how Brock retired. I think it was absolutely done perfect. And I think that adds something extra as well. So yeah, it was 24 years, but this is a guy just six weeks ago.

24:32Sam Roberts:You thought maybe you were never going to get to see make an entrance again. That's true. Everybody there was like, we've never seen him live and we're never going to see him live because he retired at WrestleMania. Paul Heyman made them take him out of the now and put him in the forever on the cold open. Like it's pretty significant. But Brock, I love the aggression in Brock Lesnar tonight. he attacks Obafemi before the bell rings and then hits him with four F5s and then Obafemi kicks out of his four F5s. I thought that was it. Yeah, I really did. I was like, oh, we're going back to rare form with Brock Lesnar.

25:11You know, we're going back to the SmackDown Fox premiere, I think it was, with Brock Lesnar where he's just annihilating people within seconds.

25:22Sam Roberts:And you talk about the ovation for Brock Lesnar, but I have to point out that the cameras were literally shaking during Oba's entrance. Shaking, Sam. And they all in unison. Oba. Oba. But, you know, it didn't help. It didn't help when Oba was eating those four F5s, but he kicks out. And then you hear Paul Heyman on the outside of the ring. Kamara! Kamara! Put him in the Kamara! So he's like, okay. And he put him in the Kamara. But watching Obafemi, and this is why I tell you, other than pro wrestling, shot put is the greatest sport in the world. Like who can throw the furthest is always going to be the most impressive thing that anybody could do.

26:05Sure. You know, running the most is also, honestly, it is also on that sort of bare bones, basic human essentials.

26:13Sam Roberts:Thank you. So I respect it. But throwing the furthest, it's like. It's way cooler. I mean, it goes back to your roots. And it's more exciting to watch. When you're a kid, you go like, how do you know who's stronger? Well, he threw way further. Okay, yeah, that's it. I can beat you throwing. I'll do it right now. Oh, there's a kid in my neighborhood who could throw all the way down the street. No! And the thing about Brock, though, when he has this Kimura locked in, is he's somebody you go, oh, he actually will break Oba's arm. Yeah. Remember he broke Cody's arm? He broke Shawn Michael's arm? So he's got that Kimura locked in, except Oba's arm is hard to break because it's a beefy arm, you know?

26:45Sam Roberts:It's the size of most people's entire bodies. That's right. That's right. I mean, I took that picture with Oba at Saturday Night's Main Event, and it really did look like, oh, that's one of his limbs. You were like, I can't wear that tank top today. I gotta wear the flannel. That's what it was. But you see the look on Brock Lesnar's face when Oba, one-handed, is using. And it's not only those shoulders, those shot-putting shoulders, but just those insane quads, those insane legs that Oba Femi has on him that allows him to, while Brock is wrapped on him, putting on that Kimura lift Brock Lesnar.

27:19Brock Lesnar up in the air and slam him down, surviving the Kimura. I mean, insane, an insane visual. Then we get a fifth F5, we get a sixth F5 outside the ring through a table. And I was going, oh man, I gotta be honest. I go, I go, I'm not trying to see this end in a count out. Are we doing a count out right now? I mean, I guess that would mean that Brock went, but are we really doing a count?

27:48Sam Roberts:Half a dozen F5s. How does anybody get up through a table? Right. Yes. And I was like, okay, I guess we're going to do a count out like whatever. When it didn't end after the fourth F5, I said, it's definitely right here. The count out. That's where it's happening. And then the referee gets to like seven or eight and open just pops up like Michael Myers. And I was like, what? And he gets back in the ring. They go back and forth. but ultimately he had Brock up for the powerbomb. Brock was able to get out of it. Which is amazing that he has Brock Lesnar, of all people, up for the powerbomb after his arm was locked in the Kimura.

28:25Sam Roberts:Absolutely. Absolutely. Like that arm was beaten and damaged. But Brock gets out of it, hits that seventh F5. One, two, three. Obafemi suffers his first pinfall loss on the main roster. Brock Lesnar beats Obafemi. It was definitely something that I think people realized was a possibility. I think there were a lot of people that were ready for Oba to have a Goldberg-like streak where he just beats everybody for a while and then becomes the champion. Like, it was literally that old story. I got an idea. How about I beat everybody and then I get the belt? That was Oba. That was the plan. You know what I mean?

29:07That's where we saw it going.

29:08Sam Roberts:And with someone like Oba, you go, okay. Exactly. That's what I want to see. That sounds great. I buy a ticket for that. Of course. Yeah. But Brock goes, no, I don't think it's going to be that easy. Brock Lesnar beating Oba Femi. So we talked about like turning on Raw tomorrow and, you know, seeing what's going on with the bloodline. What do you think Oba is going to have to say? like how does Oba readdress kind of the WWE and the fans and the locker room with us now seeing like the idea that Oba Femi is unbeatable has proven to be a fallacy yeah just by you know the most accomplished man in all of combat sports Brock Lesnar right I mean I think the biggest question heading into this was can Oba respond to an ass beating and I think despite not coming away with the win, to me, Oba showed that he can respond to it.

30:12By getting pinned?

30:13Sam Roberts:He did get pinned, but I mean, Sam, there was multiple situations where you said, oh, call the match right now. Yeah, but then there was - The fourth F5. Oh, now the sixth F5 through the announce table. Just end it right here in the count out. Yeah, but then there was one where I was like, yeah, end it right here, and they did. And it was Oba losing and Brock winning. Oh, if Oba comes, if Oba shows up and goes like, well, hey, I hung in there pretty good, huh, guys? Oh, get out of here, Oba. What are you talking about? Tell your story walking, Oba. That doesn't work for me. I mean, this is not one of those things.

30:45If we're going to put Oba on a pedestal for the wins, then we got to keep that same energy on the losses. And I'm not saying Oba doesn't deserve any credit because Oba was incredible tonight. Right. But that's kind of Oba's thing being incredible. And he lost. So the question is not how did he survive in that match? The question is, how does he face us? How does he face the show? How does he face Paul Heyman knowing that we have seen him lose? It's a different thing. That is what I want to know.

31:21Sam Roberts:We've never seen Oba coming off a loss. Right. Right. Oba said he's going to kill Brock Lesnar. That's what he said. I'm not coming to be. I'm coming to kill you. Definitely didn't kill him. Brock Lesnar's alive. Brock Lesnar hit him with the one and one. Right? So he said, we're evening out. He was sitting there smiling right at him. Brock felt good about himself. One plus one, he said, standing in the aisle way, looking at Oba, realizing that he had, whether it was just coming at him with that level of aggression, whatever it is, he had cracked a code and that he had won. You know what I would do if I was Brock Lesnar?

31:57Now I retire. I would retire now. Maybe that's, I don't know, maybe that's just the type of person that I am. But I feel like if I didn't feel that great after retiring after the loss, I would definitely, I'd retire. Retire now. Retire on the win. After a win.

32:09Sam Roberts:Go out on top. You know what I mean? Yeah. It was a pretty great win, too. Amazing win. You know, and I saw there were a lot of people on my Discord that were like, I didn't think the match was going to go that long. Like, this is a pretty impressive victory. Seven F5s, too? Okay. you know let Oba build back up in the meantime I'll be in Saskatchewan how does it get better than that from Brock Lesnar you know yeah yeah no I don't know if that Brock Lesnar will actually do that but I think it would I think I would imagine it's going to be tougher to get Brock Lesnar to come back I mean I think that Brock is back in the position where he doesn't have anything to prove I mean there was a moment during the match where Brock Lesnar had that look in his eye that we saw on the way to WrestleMania.

32:54Sam Roberts:And it was when Obafemi, after getting F5'd through the announce table and everybody, you and me included, thought that Oba was done, finished and getting counted out. And when he sprung up and got into the ring, the look in Brock Lesnar's eye expressed fear for a slight moment. Yeah. And then he pinned him. That's right. So, I mean, it doesn't, you know what I mean? He could, he could be expressing whatever he wants. He won. You know, you, you You can't sit there and go like, well, you know, if you're the Cleveland Cavs, I mean, I guess they didn't have any good quarters the whole series. But if they had, let's say, if it's a basketball game, you can't go like, yeah, but we really dominated you in the first quarter.

33:36Ooh, good for you. Yeah, you know? I don't think it carries that weight. I think Oba's got to rebuild. But if I'm Oba, I'm going to try to get my dub back.

33:48Sam Roberts:You're coming for Brock. But if you're Brock, are you taking that on? No. Are you taking Oba on if you're Brock? No. No. After what happened at WrestleMania, I put you away now. No, after what happened in Italy. I'm done with you. I'm done. I did it. I did it. Like, if I won the lottery, I'm not playing anymore. That's it. I'm not spending my lotto winnings on more tickets. That's not the type of guy I am. A lot of people will get the scratch off. And Paul Heyman is a pretty smart guy. Pretty smart guy. You think he's going to let Brock walk into another match? You ever meet a guy who wins$100 on a scratch-off and then buys 100 scratch-offs?

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35:07Sam Roberts:I like that you said or and. Because or was a little negative. You can also and. And. Might as well get it while you got it. You got yourself a nice new shirt. Get yourself a championship. Feel like a real winner. Speaking of champions and winners. We got a new Intercontinental Champion. Beautiful moment tonight at Clash in Italy. And I believe on that note, we have our first guest. please welcome the new women's intercontinental champion sol ruka is here sol is that the first time that you've been officially introduced as the women's intercontinental champion yes it is it sounds like it belongs there i mean have you taken a beat like this has been a whirlwind for you i feel like it was what six weeks ago it was it was the Monday after Wrestlemania the last time we spoke and you were literally looking at us and saying yeah I don't know they just told me they needed me for Raw I don't know what this means for next week I don't I don't know what brand I'm on at the moment and since then you've been in the ring with some of the best women on the roster you're a Raw superstar Now you're in Italy on a five-match PLE wrestling and beating Becky Lynch and becoming the Intercontinental Champion.

36:32How are you?

36:34Sol Ruca:I am a mess in a good way, though. I'm just like emotional mess, physically a mess in the best way possible. You know, I had a moment as soon as the bell rang, as soon as I hit my finish on Becky, where I just kind of got a little bit emotional. was a bit just like shocked and just like, oh my God, like I did it. Like, this is my like defining moment. This is the start of, you know, my, my next chapter in a sense. Um, and yeah, just the overwhelming love and acceptance from the fans tonight was absolutely incredible, especially being so far away from home. Like knowing that these people know who I am, care about me, care about my story, care about what I do.

37:13Sol Ruca:It's just absolutely incredible. I still feel like I have a lot more things to just like decompress and feel out. But it has been like go, go, go ever since I got back from the curtain. But yeah, I'm feeling good. I mean, I mean, congratulations would certainly be an understatement for you. Do you feel, did you think about this when you were in NXT for as long as you were in NXT? I'm sure, you know, everybody there has this goal. Everybody there wants to be in the position that you're in right now. Did you, did you think about that and what it would feel like and what it would look like while you were down there?

37:51And is it the same? Is it, is it different? Are there, are there surprises?

37:57Sol Ruca:Um, so I feel like I would try not to get like, I guess like my hopes up or try and, um, I guess like daydream about it too much because this world, this universe is so like, it changes so frequently, you know? Things happen. Injuries happen. It just changes so much that it's hard to really have a set idea of what it's going to look like when you get called up. And I kind of made it my goal to just take it day by day, step by step. And, you know, whenever they think I'm ready, that means that I'm ready instead of being like anticipating like, oh, I want to be up on the main roster by this time.

38:30Sol Ruca:Or, oh, I want to only be in NXT for this long. I kind of just like took in as much as I could in NXT. And then once I got the call, I was like, OK, this means that I am ready. And I kind of took that and ran with it.

38:44Sam Roberts:Congratulations, Sol, on becoming the Intercontinental Champion. I know, you know, Sam has said a lot of loving things about you. I'm very happy to see that your main roster time is just, you know, you've skyrocketed. But I do have to ask about the match tonight and your thoughts on the officiating, because there were a few moments that got a little questionable out there for both you and Becky. I mean, Jessica Carr did knock you off the top rope.

39:15Sol Ruca:Yes. You know, this is, you know, something that Becky typically tends to do. She'll do whatever it takes, whatever means necessary to, you know, get that victory. We saw that happen where she, you know, pushed Jessica Carr into my finish. luckily I had a glimpse of her as soon as I went up and was able to not flip all the way through I ended up still hitting her but it was just like damn like she's really willing to do whatever it takes to to keep this and you know I kind of knew something like that was going to happen today unfortunately it did she did you know give me that superplex off the top but I eventually you know countered it uh there were some other moments with a roll-up where she pushed Jessica Carr out to the outside.

39:57Sol Ruca:I ended up backfiring on her, but you know, that's just the name of the game and you just have to be ready for anything. Did you feel like, I mean, I feel like, uh, uh, like this was a huge moment for you for a lot of reasons, but I also, and you could kind of hear it in Megan's tone a little bit with the way that question was worded in a more hostile fashion than I would of thought but it feels like and this is my observation that when you were in nxt and even before that as you were coming up there was a lot of rooting for soul rooting for soul rooting for soul and it feels like ever since you've been on the main roster there are a lot of people that are kind of watching your every move ready to pounce on anything that might go even slightly wrong and go oh what about this what about that it feels like the the level of hypercriticism has gone up Is that something that you have to kind of actively just push out to make sure you have a performance like you did tonight?

40:55Sol Ruca:Yeah, 100%. I mean, even in NXT, we get people that are, you know, watching every move and we get people that are, you know, leaving hate comments and all this negativity. And, you know, essentially being up on the main roster, you have more eyes, which means more hate, but also means more love. So it is something that I've had to kind of navigate because I wasn't really, it wasn't something that I thought of when I got signed that it was going to be like, oh, this means that there's going to be more eyes or more people, you know, trying to nitpick everything. But at the end of the day, especially with people on social media, that's such a small percentage of our fan base.

41:27Sol Ruca:And as long as the crowd in person is happy and, you know, everyone backstage is happy with what I do, then that's fine with me. How does it feel to know that not only are you the Intercontinental Champion, but the way you got that title was by beating Becky Lynch for it? It's not to take anything away from anybody else, but Becky Lynch is somebody who I think has not only defined that Intercontinental Championship, but is one of the original four horsewomen, is one of the pillars of what this division is. And I feel like one of those kind of models that this whole thing, she was among those first women that it said, okay, this is the process.

42:11This is what we do. This is the beginning of what this evolution is. For you to have beaten Becky for the Intercontinental title, does it make it that much sweeter?

42:21Sol Ruca:Oh, absolutely. I mean, yes, she pretty much like founded what we see today within women's wrestling. And she is, you know, absolutely incredible. And I totally get her perspective of like, you know, these newcomers coming in and like getting these opportunities where she's been doing this and been putting in the work and whatnot. But, you know, times are changing with how NXT is bringing up people. And I mean, she is one of the greatest and I'm honored to be in the ring with her. I have, you know, no hard feelings towards her. I know she was a bit hostile towards me, but I mean, I get it. She's got her own perspective and that's totally fine.

42:56Sol Ruca:But at the end of the day, I came out victorious. And I'm thankful that she even agreed to have this match with me. Somewhat agreed. I mean, there was a little bit of pushback from her. But essentially, we got the match.

43:07Sam Roberts:So I'm thankful for that. Sol, there was a lot of people questioning, not just Becky, but a lot of the fans as well, questioning if you were ready for this moment. Your first PLE in Europe. Your first, you know, there's five matches on the show. And you're in one of them for the Intercontinental Championship. relationship. Do you think tonight your performance, not only did you prove that you're ready, but that this is just the beginning?

43:32Sol Ruca:Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I definitely heard people saying that stuff, you know, Becky made sure to tell me that she thought I wasn't ready and it definitely for sure got to me a little bit, but you know, again, at the end of the day, I'm here for a reason and I trust myself. I trust the process that I was brought up in and I just, you know, had to lock in and just do my best and see what happens and, you know proved everyone wrong that I am ready and I'm your new women's intercontinental champion it did get you for a second so were you nervous out there oh absolutely totally I mean I try I try not to get nervous up until I'm backstage about to go out and then as soon as my music hits my nerves kind of go away because you know it's go time I have you know no time to be nervous but with how the arena is that ramp is so long and you're sitting out there and watching Becky You come out, watching her take her time all the way down.

44:23I'm like, all right, getting a little nervous now.

44:25Sol Ruca:But, you know, as soon as the bell rings, it's go time. So. I mean, do you feel like the more things go right in a match like that, the kind of easier it gets to get to the next thing? Like, for example, there was so much going on. And there were so many moments throughout that match that I think people are going to have to go back and kind of look through. But, I mean, I'm thinking about that moment where you had to hook your legs into the top rope while you dangled on the outside and kind of crunch up so Becky could hit the, and then Becky hits the post. I mean, in order for that to be effective, there are so many tiny little steps that would have to go right just to make this one moment.

45:05Is that how your brain works with it? Do you go like, okay, that worked. Now I got the confidence to move on to the next thing, to move on to the next thing, or are you just truly in the moment?

45:18Sol Ruca:absolutely i think uh especially like the first thing in the match i feel like once i do like the first bump or the first you know if i'm on top the first clothesline whatever it is once that happens i'm like okay i got this like we're in it it's go time um and then from then on i try and just yeah like be in the moment as much as i can i mean i do still you know have those moments of hesitation or um you know getting nervous but essentially yeah the first the first thing once that's out of the way, it's go time. Same with like promos. As soon as I say the first line, I'm chilling. It's probably too early to even ask, but have you thought at all about what you want the Intercontinental Championship to look like with it around your waist?

46:00What do you want this reign to kind of look like with you as champion?

46:05Sol Ruca:I mean, I definitely want to be a fighting champion. I want to defend this thing as many times as I physically possibly can. You know, I was a double champion on NXT with the Women's Speed Championship and the North American Championship. And I feel like my reigns were not up to par with how I feel like I can be a champion. So I'm wanting to kind of prove myself a little bit more as a champion this time. I want to give championship opportunities to literally whoever comes and whoever's ready. I don't want to be the person that says you're not ready to be here. Shots at Becky Lynch for doing that to me.

46:40Sol Ruca:But, you know, I want to be the person that's, you know, open and, you know, potentially bringing some girls from NXT to defend this title. I love it. I love it. Well, Sol, I mean, congratulations again. What a night. What an amazing moment for you. I hope you soak it all in and take a moment to reflect on tonight and the last several weeks. And because, you know, tomorrow is Monday Night Raw and everything is going to be move, move, move after that. So congrats. Thank you so much.

47:12Sam Roberts:Thank you, Saul. Thank you guys. Big thanks to the new intercontinental champion, Saul Ruka. Clash in Italy, you know, that's where she won the title. Clash in Italy brings WWE spectacle to the heart of Torino with one of the boldest and most visually ambitious slam releases ever created. Inspired by the grandeur, fashion, art, architecture, and energy of Italy. This box features an unforgettable lineup of cards, such as Renaissance Bass, Marble Signature, postcards from Italy, Grapplers of Wrath, and much more. Clash in Italy blends WWE intensity with timeless European style for a truly one-of-a-kind collecting experience.

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48:02Sam Roberts:There's an officiating problem. With? In the WWE. what they're so distracting that uh champions can't concentrate on their matches i mean just car getting out of the ring car i'm just filled with so many emotions go ahead just bothers me she's there to do her job right she goes to get out of harm's way to look out for who number one herself becky had soul pinned for i was counting it was at least five seconds on my count okay well you just couldn't get in there and then for soul to even say hey i think the officiating was okay like soul was impacted by it as well well she won so obviously she won but she was impacted she was on top of the rope and then because jessica hit the ropes it knocked soul off yeah becky put her hands on an official but who knocked her off becky by using jessica carr's body car knocked her off i didn't see that i didn't see the becky that'd be like if i threw this water bottle at the rope and i was like i can't believe that water i didn't see becky i didn't see her do that.

49:04Also, if Jessica Carr had just stayed still, she would have gotten knocked down and wouldn't have been able to count at all.

49:10Sam Roberts:Get in the right spot. Isn't that part of the job? I suppose, but I mean, to get out of that spot is necessary. I don't know, it just seems like these types of things only happen to Jessica Carr. Why is it that Becky decided to literally start the match arguing with Jessica Carr? Because it's like, for Christ's sakes, how many times is this woman going to interfere in my matches? And again, she's out The match literally had just started. Yeah, but there's a history there. We all know that. There's a history. Oh, and she thought the best way to avoid that would be to go like, okay, let me start a conflict immediately.

49:44Sam Roberts:Well, let me get in your face and lay down the law and let you know what tonight's going to be like. And you're going to do it to the official. Yeah, she's got to explain it to her. What would happen in any sport if you did that to the referee or umpire? They have a history, right? They have a history. Everybody knows it. Yeah. A lot of people have been in Becky's situation across all sports. when you get to the level where you're considered the greatest of all time, and it's not just me saying it. Who else? Other people are saying it. Yeah, right. Sports Illustrated says it. Really? The Bleacher Report says it.

50:11Sam Roberts:But when you get to that level, when you're considered the GOAT, a lot of times you get calls. They consider her the GOAT? You get calls. Patrick Mahomes, he always gets calls, right? Right. Becky, the cookie doesn't crumble that way. That's the old saying. It doesn't crumble that way. So when all is said and done, we're going to remember that Becky had to do it the hard way. Did what? Lose? Come on. Oh, sorry. Sorry. She lost tonight. Yeah, I know. I saw it. Saul Ruka won the Intercontinental Championship. It was great. I don't know about great. We'll see. We'll see. This is awesome. You're already saying it's great.

50:54Sam Roberts:We'll see. Soul Snatcher. Boom. Later out. Something fierce. it's just disappointing that after all this we're talking about the officials you are i'm not this is the story i mean you literally we had the champion on the show and you were talking about the officiating soul was impacted by it she's knocked off the top but you're the one who's knocked off the top rope well i'll tell you uh terrible i will it could have been dangerous too thankfully nobody got hurt i mean becky got hurt enough that she was down for the three count That was soul though that did that. Soul snatcher. Doesn't feel good.

51:33Ask Becky next time you talk to her. I will say, speaking of not feeling good, I would imagine physically, not great. Emotionally, probably awesome. Last night on Noche de los Grandes. I mean, if you, I would just say this. If anybody listening or watching has not seen Notete de los Grandes, the AAA show that went down on Saturday night, do everything in your power. It's on YouTube. Watch it. Grande Americano versus original Grande Americano was maybe my favorite match I've seen all year. It was so incredible. Such incredible storytelling throughout. Just such passion. passion, the audience in Monterey was unbelievable.

52:23And in the end, seeing OG Americano forced to be unmasked, revealing, of course, Chad Gable was under there. But both of them, you know, as I believe Ray Mysterio said, it's not mascara contra mascara, sin sangre, blood tears sweat violence comedians

52:47Sam Roberts:love love hate with Andrea Bazzarte oh my god everything about it was so Pimpinela everything about it was so great so I mean did you feel the same way? I loved every second it was amazing I mean my favorite match maybe ever it was everything that makes wrestling awesome especially and I'll find a podcast where I can like spend real time but like even considering where El Grande Americano started as kind of a character and then where the new Grande Americano went and like how this thing has evolved into one of the great wrestling stories of the year is that has the entire audience of triple a just transfixed Mexico is captivated by El Grande americano yeah there were murals of this guy of course of course yeah it's amazing from the entrances to the unmasking and everything in between fantastic unbelievable make sure that you guys go out and see it uh speaking of officials i think we can both agree that dan angler blew it tonight of course yeah like dan angler really blew it blew it in the in the WWE championship match between Cody and Gunther and we were talking all week about like this is a something's gotta give scenario I can't picture Cody the great hero of all heroes losing the WWE championship after beating Randy Orton at Wrestlemania but I can't picture Gunther after everything that he's done losing this match at Clash in Italy then Dan Engler was there to blow it We saw it right away.

54:32Sam Roberts:We said his foot's out. His foot's out. Yeah. So, I mean, it was a great match. Seeing them both just like leave it all out there. I mean, at one point, you know. It was a home game for Cody, which we didn't know. No, no, no, no, no. We didn't know. Heading into this match, that was the big question, especially because it's in Italy. Gunter's from Austria. People in Europe love to see Gunter. And I found that they were happy to see Gunter. they were thrilled to see Cody Rhodes. That's right. They were singing his song. They were cheering for him. They were buying what Cody was selling. And I love to see that.

55:09We saw Cody kick out of the power bomb. We saw Gunther kick out of a crossroads. We saw Cody have to survive that sleeper hold.

55:17Sam Roberts:I mean, the sleeper holds were just, I mean, there was a moment during the match where no matter what Cody did to escape a sleeper hold by Gunther, Gunther just had another one. Yes, exactly right. Another one ready for him. Exactly right. I mean, yeah, there was that one moment where he completely broke it, and then Gunther just like sat right up, like almost snapped up, and just locked Cody again. Again. I mean, it was, and you could see too at points in the match when that sleeper hold would get broken, not just the energy that was getting zapped out of Cody's body, but the energy that was getting zapped out of Gunther's body as well, that he was putting every bit of force that he could into that lock.

55:53So it was really, really great. And then we see Cody hit a crossroads. He goes for the cover. Gunther's foot is clearly outside the ropes. One, two, three. Cody wins. I cannot, for the life of me, imagine that this is the way Cody would want to win a WWE championship. I mean, look, like his knee is barely in the ring.

56:16Sam Roberts:I mean, Cody's such an honorable man and really takes pride in doing things the right way. I mean, you even see when he's making his way to the ring, stopping to shake everybody's hand. I mean, Cody wants to have a win that's honorable. I mean, forget about honorable. There may be more of Gunther's body outside the ring than inside the ring looking at this visual. It's insane. Gunther cannot be happy with what transpired in Italy, and Cody probably isn't so happy to call that a win. No, I wouldn't imagine. I know that he did apparently go on the post show and say that he would give Gunther a rematch anytime Gunther wanted it, which I think is definitely called for.

56:53I don't think that that's one of those things. I know that the sort of automatic, the days of the automatic rematch are gone, but I would say that this one for sure calls for a rematch. It's something that I want to see because I want to, at this point, when you have a WWE, we have all these entities now that coexist, right? There are all these forces. We saw it with Jacob and Roman. Both forces have to exist. We have to find out who's better. We saw it with Brock and Oba. Brock and Oba. I would put Cody and Gunther right there with it, where it's like, okay, Gunther, if you're going to be the career killer, if you're going to destroy everybody, you have to be able to beat Cody.

57:32And Cody, if you're going to be QB1, you have to be able to beat the career killer. So I think that it's necessary. I think as much as Gunther should have like a fair title match, I think it's just as important for Cody to prove that he can beat Gunther with Gunther's full body inside the ring.

57:58Sam Roberts:Absolutely. And that's why I said I don't think Cody is walking away tonight thinking, oh, yay, I won. Yeah, mission accomplished. No. I don't think so. I don't think so, but we'll see. I guess we'll see on Friday on SmackDown, if not before. And then, of course, somebody else that—I mean, here's the thing. And I noticed this in Spain as well on SmackDown. they are ready to boo Jade Cargill in Europe. Oh, yeah, they are. I mean, just... And they love their mommy. All over. They love Rhea Ripley. What's not to love? Before we get into it, before we get into it, I do want to tell you that Topps now is capturing major milestones and viral moments from the biggest WWE events, as they always do before PLEs, Topps, put out a Clash in Italy poster card featuring none other than the man himself, Cody Rhodes, Collectors who buy the poster cards have a chance at receiving rainbow foil short prints and gold super short prints limited to just 26 copies each.

58:59These poster cards are available only until Monday, June 1st. As always, make sure you're following at Topps on social and sign up for notifications on Topps.com for the biggest moment cards from Clash in Italy this weekend. And tune in to Raw Recap for more card info and graphics. Beautiful card with Cody out there in front of Italy. So I think that this Rhea Ripley, Jade Cargill match, probably my favorite Jade Cargill match I've ever seen.

59:32Sam Roberts:You and I are lockstep there. And pretty high up on my list of Rhea Ripley matches as well. Seeing the heavy boos for Jade, the big cheers for Rhea Ripley. I mean, like Jade Cargill just coming in aggressive. It was a one-sided affair for a while. There was chain links that were just like raining off of her attire. I mean, she was working Rhea Ripley's back. Yeah. Oh, she looked like she was in agonizing pain. Yes. But you know Rhea, she just keeps fighting back. She won't stop. We saw B-Fab and Mi Chin make their appearance known. At one point, they stopped Rhea Ripley from getting a pin on Jade Cargill by putting Jade's, B-Fab, putting Jade's foot on the rope.

1:00:14So, of course, the referee caught her and sent them away. But before they could get sent away, Charlotte Flair comes out to kind of even the odds.

1:00:23Sam Roberts:Which is just such a wild thought, right? Yes. Charlotte Flair is there. Obviously, after watching the last couple weeks, we understand where Charlotte and Rhea's relationship is. Well, you hate when women are friends with each other. So how do you feel? That's not true. That's not true at all. It's just what you've put out. No, it's not true at all. I'm just talking back to, you know, that sit down interview that was very tense before Survivor Series. And you, Mr. Everything Counts, always like to remind people of that. I don't forget about the tension between Rhea Ripley and Charlotte Flair.

1:00:54Sam Roberts:And although they're operating on the same page right now, it's just wild to see that right now, given their history. You didn't say that about Eoskai and Rhea Ripley as well? I pointed it out. Yes, I just like to point out the past of people. All right? Sue me. I'm not going to sue you. I'm not going to sue you. I remember things. I'm not going to file a lawsuit. I'm glad you remember things. There's nothing to do with women being friends. Oh, okay. All right, then I misread. I misread. Thank you. Sue me. I don't think you're giving off tank top energy. All right? That's why I wore my tank top.

1:01:24Sam Roberts:I got to hold it down for the fort. Maybe. Maybe. It's a good, good energy. But Charlotte, absolutely on Rhea Ripley's side. Absolutely there to have Rhea's back. And part of that is probably because Alexa Bliss got taken out by Jade on SmackDown. So it's like, okay, now there is still, like this thing is unifying to an extent. I think Rhea Ripley and Charlotte Flair, but Rhea returning the favor by putting Rhea, I'm sorry, Charlotte returning the favor by putting Rhea's foot on the rope, interrupting a pinfall attempt. That way the odds were evened. And eventually you do get that riptide that allows Rhea Ripley to retain the WWE Women's Championship.

1:02:07I felt like I don't think this is over, but I also felt like the way things kind of canceled each other out with the feet being put on the ropes, it's a pretty clear cut. Rhea Ripley has now beaten Jade Cargill twice.

1:02:21Sam Roberts:That's right. And she beat it matches. There were a couple of really exciting moments. I thought during this match, you pointed out as your favorite Jade Cargill match. I'm right there in lockstep with you. I thought like when Jade Cargill found her way out of the riptide and hit a DDT. That was a moment where I said, oh my gosh, this is just amazing. Also, she went up for a powerbomb shortly thereafter that. And there were moments in the match, like those moments specifically, that were not smooth in the best possible way because it really gave the impression of two people that did not like each other, that were fighting each other.

1:02:56Fights don't look smooth. And I thought that that translated really, really well in this match.

1:03:01Sam Roberts:Yeah, but to your point, Rhea Ripley now has beaten Jade Cargill twice. Yes. Yeah. Two PLEs, two championship matches. I mean, you know. I don't know how Jade goes barking back up Rhea's tree again. Yeah. I mean, I think, I don't know. I haven't seen the brackets yet. I don't know if Jade Cargill is involved in Queen of the Ring. Maybe that's a possibility. I'm sure Jade's not too happy with Charlotte. Okay, she is. Okay. And that could be a case, right? If Jade Cargill is not going to necessarily be granted a rematch right away, if she's able to get that queen of the ring crown, she goes to SummerSlam and assuming Rhea Ripley is still the champion, gets that championship match.

1:03:43So maybe that's the plan, but I think probably a lot of other women on that roster that are going to try to make sure Jade Cargill does not win queen of the ring because they would like to win queen of the ring. But I'll tell you, king of the ring and queen of the ring matches, tournament matches start tomorrow night.

1:04:00Sam Roberts:Bracketology, baby, let's go. You know I love brackets. Oh, yeah. Love brackets. Love a tournament. That tournament kicks off tomorrow night on Monday Night Raw. I cannot wait to see what that begins to look like as well as what is going on with everybody, whether it's Oba, whether it's the Bloodline, whether it's Becky and Sol Ruka, where they all stand. We will find out tomorrow on Monday Night Raw, and then, Megan, you and I will be here to recap all of it on the WWE Now Raw recap. So make sure you're subscribed across all audio platforms, hitting like and leaving comments on the YouTube video.

1:04:33We'll see you tomorrow.