WWE Now - Trick Williams live from Fanatics Fest

16 Jul 2026 · 45 min · 16 chapters

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In short

WWE Now live at Fanatics Fest with United States Champion Trick Williams. He discusses fan reactions (“Whoop That Trick”), his character and “Lemon Pepper Steppers,” upcoming storylines, and his rise from NXT/TNA to SmackDown. He also talks about celebrity involvement via Lil Yachty, his relationship with Lash Legend, and Unreal season coverage.

Guests (hosts)

Sam Roberts and Megan Morant, plus Trick Williams as the featured guest.

Guest backgrounds

Trick Williams is a WWE main-roster superstar and United States Champion; he previously competed in NXT and held the TNA World Championship. Booker T is referenced as a mentor. Lil Yachty appears as Trick’s on-screen manager. Lash Legend is Trick’s real-life partner.

Key claims

Fans always chant for him; Booker T mentored his camera/pose and trash-talking; TNA was essential preparation; the “Gingerbread Man” Sami Zayn story made Trick a bigger star; Yachty is fully committed and authentic; Lash Legend helped drive his weight gain and main-event look.

Notable examples

“Gingerbread Man” segment with Sami Zayn and Lil Yachty (millions of YouTube views); potential Booker T vs Trick Williams match; Trick’s 25-minute NXT match vs Ilja Dragunov; Trick’s white fur coat/white gear and the “all-white” Legacy Title.

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Chapters

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Fanatics Fest Energy and Atmosphere

0:49 to 2:53

Hosts discuss the exciting atmosphere at Fanatics Fest and the events scheduled.

“Day one of Fanatics Fest, already packed, already ready for some of the best experiences.”

Introducing Trick Williams

2:53 to 3:58

Trick Williams joins the hosts, sharing his excitement and energy.

“We had someone in the audience doing the little Booker T.”

Trick Williams’ Journey to WWE

3:58 to 5:48

Trick reflects on his journey from NXT to the main roster and audience reception.

“Just knowing that all the hard work that you put in over the years, the people recognize it.”

The Impact of Booker T

5:48 to 6:41

Trick discusses Booker T's mentorship and its significance to his career.

“And, you know, he did at a time when it wasn't the popular thing, so I always appreciate that.”

Baron Corbin and Current Rivalries

6:41 to 8:06

Trick talks about his rivalry with Baron Corbin and the competitive landscape.

“Do you think that that would be the right move?”

Determination and Ambition in WWE

8:06 to 11:05

Trick shares his determination to succeed and leave a lasting impact.

“because I think Baron Corbin, a few years back, was in a similar position to you.”

Overcoming Imposter Syndrome

11:09 to 14:01

Trick discusses his confidence and determination despite not coming from wrestling.

“Was there ever a part of you, though, having not come from a wrestling background that had any sort of imposter syndrome when you came into this world?”

Reflections on NXT 2.0 and Its Impact

14:01 to 17:40

Explore how the NXT 2.0 era shaped wrestlers like Trick Williams amidst a sink or swim mentality.

“I've been very blessed with my career, man.”

The Gingerbread Man Storyline

17:41 to 20:09

Trick Williams discusses the controversial gingerbread man character and its surprising effects.

“segment, when you look at that funeral that we have for the gingerbread man If you look at what we did to Sami Zayn, if you look at what we did to Sami Zayn, we had a grown future Hall of Famer, no doubt about it.”

Collaboration with Lil Yachty

20:10 to 22:20

Uncover the dynamics of Trick Williams' partnership with Lil Yachty in WWE.

“Because when he showed up with you, no one knew it was going to turn into what it is now.”
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The Value of TNA Experience

22:21 to 24:49

Discussing the lessons learned and growth experienced during Trick Williams' time in TNA.

“where there's this whole other wave of the NXT run that we didn't necessarily see coming.”

The Dual Life of a Wrestling Couple

24:50 to 28:01

Trick Williams shares insights on his relationship with Lash Legend and their journey together in WWE.

“You know, like, as a fan, watching the amount that I watch, as closely as I watch it, there are these, you know, moments where I can feel, and my perception is, oh, that person has it.”

The Blessing of a Pro Wrestling Relationship

28:01 to 31:00

Explore the dynamics of being in a relationship with another professional wrestler and how it impacts personal growth.

“What is it like to be a part of a pro wrestling super couple?”

Trick Williams: The Man Behind the Character

31:16 to 34:18

Delve into the persona of Trick Williams and how personal experiences shape his character.

“I mean, as confident as you are, for Lash to be able at that point to step up and go, I don't know if you understand who I am.”

The Evolution of Trick and Melo

34:19 to 42:01

Discuss the professional growth and evolving dynamics between Trick Williams and Carmelo Hayes.

“But before we got there, it was you and Mello.”

Trick Williams: A Journey of Dreams and Achievements

42:01 to 45:31

Trick Williams reflects on his journey from fan to WWE superstar and shares his aspirations.

“And then to look into the audience and see small children wearing white fur coats.”
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0:49Oh, thank you everybody. Welcome to Fanatics Fest. How are we all doing? it. Wow, you guys brought the energy today. What's going on? I love this. Day one of Fanatics Fest, already packed, already ready for some of the best experiences. Megan, is there anything specifically that you're looking forward to seeing, doing while we're here? I am looking forward to the fan entrances during Fanatics Games. Ah, superstar entrances. Anybody participating in Fanatics Fest games? No, no, no, no, no. Because that's where you separate the men from the boys, okay? That's one of the highly competitive things happening at Fanatics Fest.

1:34But, you know, one of the big parts of this is, of course, shows like this. Getting the opportunity to do live podcasts in front of everybody. And it's not just about, you know, seeing myself, Sam Roberts, and Megan Morant, and WWE Now being represented. But it's about seeing some of the biggest superstars in the world of sports and entertainment, specifically WWE. Megan, should we introduce our guest, do you think? What do you guys think? Do you think it's time for us to introduce our guest? Should we bring him out here? The people want it. Well, then, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to WWE Now the United States Champion, Trick Williams!

2:53Oh, Trick Williams, everybody. Let's talk about it. I love it. We had someone in the audience doing the little Booker T. We know they're an OG. Wait, wait. Y 'all know the ad lib for the Booker T and the Whoop That Trick anthem? Let me hear them. Whoop That Trick. Whoop That Trick. Whoop That Trick. Whoop That Trick. Oh, yeah, man. That's the best one. I like it. I like it. Yeah, you know, it was interesting. Right before we came out, they said, Sam, when the music plays, see if you can get the crowd to kind of whoop that trick along with it. And I said, I don't think I'm going to need to do any work to get this crowd to chant those words with that song.

3:37Every single time I come to New York, these fans know how to have a good time. What's up, New York baby? Trick, that's been the craziest part because a lot of us have been following your journey since your time on NXT, but immediately when you debuted on the main roster, that reaction was there from the jump. What was that like for you? It's unbelievable. It's unreal, no pun intended. Just knowing that all the hard work that you put in over the years, the people recognize it. They love some of the views I have from the past. They know about the TNA, excuse me, the Trick and A world title run I had over there.

4:11They know about Trick Mellow Gang way back in the day. So I appreciate that love, man, and here we are today. Was there any part of you, when that debut happened, when you get to the main roster, that wondered whether or not the audience was going to know, whether or not the audience was going to know to chant whoop that trick, whether or not the audience was going to be familiar with exactly who you were? You know, no. There it is. He said he was already going to know. But, you know, I knew no matter what happened, at the end of the night, everybody was going to be able to whoop that trick. And that's what happened.

4:46that's exactly what happened. You know, a lot's been said about Booker T's commentary. And the internet loves talking. The internet always talks. But from your perspective, as somebody who was a part of one of the many times Booker T has invested fully from a commentary perspective, how important is it for you that Booker T did what Booker T does on commentary for you? Man, Booker T is special, man. And I call him my uncle because I truly do believe that. Booker T is my uncle, y 'all. Like, you know, he saw me before a time when it was the popular belief that Trick Williams was going to be the next big superstar or anything like that.

5:28Booker T, he sat with me and he said, Hey, look, man, I see what you're doing. I like what you're doing. But let me help you out. Let me show you how to, you know, look at that camera and pose this way so your muscles look good and talk a little bit more trash right here in this part of the game. and he was just able to teach me the game and elevate my game to the next level so I could be that superstar and continue to grow every single day. And, you know, he did at a time when it wasn't the popular thing, so I always appreciate that. And speaking of Booker T, word through the grapevine is Booker T wants one more match.

6:02What? What? Let's talk about it. He said he wants one more match, and I think it's only right, it's only befitting if his last match is with the man that he helped mold into the superstar that he is today. And I was thinking, hmm, what better time like the present? Maybe within the next year or so. How would y 'all like to see Booker T? Wow. Versus the anointed one, Trick Williams. Make some noise. Let the world know if you're going to see Booker T versus Trick Williams. I mean, that really would be incredible. Just one more time. One more. One more time. He needs that farewell match, you know what I mean?

6:41He needs to receive his flowers. Do you think that that would be the right move? If Booker T has one more match in him, is Trick the right guy to get it? I mean, they've spoken. It is. The people have spoken. I think I see some concern on the face of the people at Fanatics Fest, and I think I even saw some concern from Megan Moran a minute ago, because we want to know. You didn't shave this title belt, did you? because last we saw it, it was bespeckled in white fur. That's right. You didn't shave it down, did you? That's right. That's right. See, the thing is, my all-white fur title, I keep it in a special box.

7:15I keep it manicured to perfection. That way it smells good and it looks good every single time you're going to see it on Friday Night Smackdown. But right here is what I carry on my day-to-day. But usually I keep the all-white hair on it. You know what I mean? The all-white fur, just like the trick Willie Coat. And speaking of that title, last week Ben Corbin came in and jumped on myself and Carmelo Hayes. And I think I know why Baron Corbin did it. It wasn't because he wanted to be just like Trick Williams. No, no, no. It wasn't just because of that. It wasn't because I'm in the run of my lifetime right now and he was jealous.

7:48He was mad because my title had more hair than he does. Oh, my God. Yes, Sam's actually jealous of that, too, which is why he brought it up. Sorry, Sam. It wasn't personal. I mean, some people choose. Maybe it's a choice. We don't know. That's right. We don't know. We don't know. I mean, I love Baron Corbin coming back and being the one to go for you because I think Baron Corbin, a few years back, was in a similar position to you. A few years back, Baron Corbin had come through NXT. Baron Corbin was a new face in the WWE. Baron Corbin accomplished a lot in the WWE, and now he shows up in that veteran position stopping you.

8:30What is it like for you right now to be in this space where you're one of a handful of new talent that people are saying this is what the future of the company is? That's right. Shout out to Baron Corbin, former football player himself. You know what I mean? And we ran into each other a few times at NXT. But, yeah, with that being said, it's a whole new era now. It's myself. It's Oprah Femi. You know, Javon Evans. And we hungry. We want that top spot. Baron Corbin, he's had his time. I mean, he's had his title runs. He's defeated, you know, some of the best names in the game to date. If I'm not mistaken, he was the last man to pin Roman Reigns for a very, very long time.

9:10And, you know, he deserves his flowers. But today is 2026. It's the Wolf Dad Trick era. And Baron Corbin is going to see a whole new version, a whole new level of superstar that he's never seen before. Let's talk about it. You mentioned the handful of guys that everybody's been talking about. Javon Evans, Obafemi, yourself, Ron Breaker, Sol Ruka, everybody coming up from NXT and making an instant impact. You don't really strike me as the guy who would come up and stand on the sidelines for a little while and take your turn. Wait, your turn. So how has that been to come up and really make a splash right away?

9:51Man, look, it's a dream come true. Now, I say it's unreal, and that's not because the show is coming out on July 21st on Netflix. It's because it's really been unreal. You never know how your career is going to pan out and how people are going to take to you when you pop it to the new brands and everything like that. With that being said, man, when you hungry and you got that dog in you, when you've been through the fire, you know what I mean? Like, I played football for 20 years, worked my way up, walked on just to get to the Philadelphia Eagles, just to get cut, just to get a second chance at life, a second chance to make my name in the WWE.

10:23You think I wasn't going to go hard? You thought I wasn't going to let the people feel my name, whoop that trick every single chance I get? Look, man, every single time that red light's on, I'm going to put on a show. And the people are going to know who Trick Williams is because there's no tomorrow. It's only for today. And you're going to see me today.

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11:21You know, the crazy thing is, my brother says it all the time. He says, I have delusional faith. In my mind, I've been a superstar in my whole life. And I told you this before, Sam. My first password on my Yahoo, AOL, whatever, it was superstar. I played football, but in my mind, I guess I just didn't know it. You know, football was a popular thing. My pops play football. From where I'm from, a lot of people play football. But I grew up a fan of the WWE universe. My first cuss were to open a can of whoop-ay at three years old. I was smaller than you, watching Stone Cold Steve Austin. And I just knew, man, that could be me one day.

11:57I just didn't. I thought it was football. I thought football was my lane. But as soon as I got the opportunity to become a WWE superstar, it fit like a glove. No imposter syndrome. I was home. I took my shirt off. I haven't put one on since. That's true. I mean, I've seen you do local news shows in Oklahoma City, and you show up at 7 o 'clock in the morning with no shirt. Do you own shirts, or you don't? You save money. I only have three shirts, and they're in the dry cleaners right now. But it's a proven fact. When Trink Williams takes off his shirt, the visual attendance increases 30 % with women all across America.

12:31So I'm just trying to help TV. Wow. Wow. What do you, what is, you know, Megan talks about this group of talent that's in now, you being a huge part of that. In terms of your mentality, when you go, okay, it's important to be a part of this class. At the same time, you need to stand out from that class. How much of you is going, hey, the group of us is going to take this place over. And how much of you is going, no, I'm going to take this whole group of talent over. You know, the thing is, you know, I've never been the one to compare myself to nobody else. Because the truth is, even if I wanted to be Obafemi, I couldn't be Obafemi.

13:16The truth is, if Obafemi wanted to be Trick Williams, he couldn't be Trick Williams. It wouldn't look right if he was in all white all the time, talking trash with the lemon pepper steppers on. There's only one Trick Williams. I leave it to the people. I let the people decide who they want to be their number one. But either way, Trick Williams got to be Trick Williams. I can't be nobody else. And I just know, does Ova Femi want as bad as Tripp Williams want it? Does Javon Edmonds want it as bad as Tripp Williams want it? Does Carmelo Hayes want it as bad as Tripp Williams want it? I don't think so.

13:46I'm willing to fight for it every single day. Best man may win. Let's talk about it. That is. I mean, that's part of wrestling, right? It's like it's good to see people succeed, but the last thing you want to do is share. You're not here to share. That's right. That's right. I ain't here to share. Look, man. Look, man. I've been very fortunate. I've been very blessed with my career, man. I got a legacy title. I know you can't see it right now, but I got a legacy title. Seven months into my run on SmackDown, man. I can't complain at all. And we're just getting started. You were on the radio with me yesterday, and we were talking about NXT 2.0, where you came from, where you made your TV debut.

14:21And it's really interesting to me, now that we've got some space between that launch and what's happened. because I think when NXT 2.0 came out, it was a shock to the system for wrestling fans. I think that we didn't know what to make of it. I remember after that first episode, all of us complaining about how many debuts there were. We don't know who anybody is. He was complaining? No, not me. Oh, come on, Sam. Sam was hating on the 2.0. The hater over here was complaining quite a bit. No, I don't think I was. I was somebody else. But with the point being, I think, and we were talking about this, a lot of you guys were in a sink or swim scenario.

14:58where maybe, you know, it wasn't like, I don't think, it had been this thing where it's like, okay, you're all ready for television at the same time. That's right. Maybe you weren't, but it was like either get ready or get gone. That's right. And I think that that sink or swim mentality, we didn't know it at the time, is why guys like you and Braun Breaker and a huge amount of talent that showed up out of nowhere for the 2.0 launch has been so incredibly successful over the years. Do you think that people have kind of realized, like am I on to something there? Do you think that people realize that that sink or swim scenario that you guys were all in has shaped a generation to an extent?

15:43For sure, for sure. I mean, I feel like pressure makes diamonds. Yeah. And, you know, when that 2.0 era kicked off, everybody was not excited about it, and that's the truth. But the truth is, you know, change needed to happen. You know what I mean? For something new to grow, y 'all get out with the old sometimes. I want to say shout out to all the guys who came before us. You know, the Tommaso Ciampas, the Johnny Gargano, all those guys who laid down the foundation, put NXT in a great position for us to be able to have a show. You know what I mean? For us to be able to get out there and do our things.

16:13So we're grateful for that. But I also do feel like our crop was very, very, very special. We talk about Brom Breaker. We talk about the Creed Brothers. We talk about Tony D 'Angelo. You still at NXT doing this thing. It has every single title. Knowing the man in the NXT division. Shout out to my boy, Tony D 'Angelo. Grayson Waller. Carmelo Hayes. All of us, we had a chip on our shoulder, man, because we was throwing it to the deep end. It was sink or swim. And everybody's swimming right now, man. I'm proud of my boys. And my ladies. Especially the last legend. I know I didn't say that. You know, speaking of sink or swim, I feel like you were in a scenario like that recently.

16:50and that scenario involved a character named the gingerbread man. Oh, we're going there, we're going there. Rest in peace. The gingerbread man was one of those scenarios where people felt one way or the other about it. That's right, that's right. There were a lot of people that said, this has got to be the worst thing I've ever seen. Who said that? Not me. Who said that? Somebody said that? Not me. But a lot of people said, no, no, no, no, no. this is the best thing that I've ever seen and for me stuff like that in this world is all about commitment to what is happening was there ever a time in the whole process of the gingerbread man story where your confidence was wavering that's a good question right there Sam but not at all because when you look at that whole gingerbread man segment, when you look at that funeral that we have for the gingerbread man If you look at what we did to Sami Zayn, if you look at what we did to Sami Zayn, we had a grown future Hall of Famer, no doubt about it.

17:55Sami Zayn, who's been in the best in the main events of WrestleMania, been on an honorary oos in everything he can, had his first segment, my first segment against Sami Zayn, Trick Williams, and had him sweating in his boots. Had him knocking down water bottles, doing everything he could just to, you know, catch his momentum back and everything like that. We came out with a song named Gingerbread Man. And let me tell you, the song Gingerbread Man with Trick Williams and Lil Yachty did millions of views on YouTube. Can we talk about that for a second? Thank you very much. Yes. Then we had a whole funeral segment, Everything with Sami Zayn.

18:28And look, Trick Williams came out a much bigger star after Sami Zayn in the Gingerbread segment. I went to France. I went to Italy. I went to Spain, Barcelona, Portugal. I went to Saudi Arabia. And they still chant Gingerbread Man to this day at Sami Zayn. So you tell me, Sam, is that a win? I think it's a win. I think it's a win. It's a win, man. Let's talk about it. I think it's a win. I think it's a win for all involved. I think if you look at that Gingerbread Man story, that story is foundational to Sami Zayn, kind of losing his mind a little bit, and bringing him to the position where he became the WWE champion.

19:03Man, that Gingerbread story was so good that Shrek had to come out with another movie that they're dropping soon to capitalize on the Gingerbread Man. Tell me it wasn't a good storyline, Sam. No, I think it was good. Were you surprised at all that Sami Zayn's WWE title reign only lasted nine days? What are your thoughts on this? I mean, I hate it for him. Oh, well. Chick-fil-A's turn. It should have been me. Before we were talking about Sami and the gingerbread man, Sam was talking about just, like, full commitment to things. And when you talk about fully committing to a storyline, fully committing to a character, I think about boat Lil Yachty because I think there's been a lot of...

19:47Yeah, that's right. Give it up for Yachty. Can we get some noise for my dog Lil Yachty, please? But, you know, there's a lot of conversation. Oh, should celebrities be involved in WWE? And people online have various opinions on that. But I think we can all agree what Yachty has brought to the table as a manager. What has it been like for you to work with Yachty and for this extended period of time? Because when he showed up with you, no one knew it was going to turn into what it is now. For sure, for sure. I mean, I'm going to start by saying this. Yachty has earned every second of screen time that he gets because he has committed to the game.

20:27You know what I mean? He loves the WWE universe as much as everybody out here, as much as myself. And that's where we come together. And on top of that, Yachty is my friend. So I get to go out there every single Friday. I get to talk trash. Get to whoopee every single week with my friend by my side. And we're looking out for one another. He loves the business. And he ain't here. He said, I want to be at everything. He probably going to pull up today. Who knows? You know what I mean? He said, I want to be at everything. I want to be at the house shows. I want to be all traveling across the world.

20:54I want to be part of the WWE universe. And now he is. We're going to have a good time. And probably going to have some tag matches sometime soon or something like that. He's training. He's in the gym all the time. We're going to make sure that happens. I think what's endearing about it is that as a fan, when I watch, and you tell me if you agree, it's very clear that Yachty is living out a dream. It's very clear that he's not out here promoting an album. He's not out here trying to get attention to his music career. He's out here being a bad guy wrestling manager and hyping up Trick Williams to the highest level possible.

21:35And I think that there's an authenticity to the way in which he does it that makes it so not only is that contagious, but it elevates the whole act that is Trick Williams. That's right, that's right, man. He's very selfless, man. He's a superstar, you know, platinum-selling diamond artist multiple times. But he gets to be part of the WWE universe. That's what he wants to do. He wants to be here with everybody, man. He loves it, and I'm glad he's able to do that, man. We're just getting started. You know, it's interesting, going back to your NXT days, I think there's a lot of superstars that have these moments where a lot of us go, okay, that guy's ready.

22:17And they don't come up. I think the same thing happened to Braun Breaker, the same thing happened to you, where there's this whole other wave of the NXT run that we didn't necessarily see coming. And for you, it meant, number one, being a villain in NXT. But I think even more importantly, being the TNA World Champion. How valuable to your whole experience as a wrestler and your experience in being ready to be a superstar on the main roster, how valuable was being the TNA Champion today? Man, being the TNA Champion was everything. That was the experience that I needed to really become that more polished, well-rounded, more confident superstar that I could be.

23:02And TNA isn't quite like WWE. Not as many producers, not as much help around. Some may call TNA the wild, wild west. So if you're able to survive in the wild, wild west, then you can become a superstar anyway. And I was able to take TNA. Look, man, I had a lot of help, a lot of great guys there. Moose, the Hardys, everybody was there. but main evented the two largest shows in TNA history as a part-timer, as a Trigone world champion, man. That's one of my most proudest moments in being in the business, being there, being part of that system, getting them a TV deal at AMC and everything like that.

23:38So I'm just grateful for that whole experience with TNA. Shout out to everything they got going on. I mean, you look back at the TNA run now. I mean, it's quite evident how much of an impact it made on your career on the main roster. But was there ever a part of you that was so eager to get called up to Raw or to SmackDown that felt a bit of frustration that you were in NXT and TNA? Yeah, for sure. That's a competitor in all of us. Everybody wants to get to the main roster. Everybody wants to get to their WrestleMania moments. Everybody wants to lock up with some of the best like Randy Orton and everything like that.

24:16when I've been at NXT for four years at that point, five years, thinking I did everything I could do. But TNA was the perfect segue, the perfect bridge to keep me busy. And like, nah, Trick, there's still a lot for you to learn. Stay right here and get better at your craft. Work different people. Learn from somebody else who's been doing this way longer than you. That way, when I got to the main roster, and that first segment with Sami Zayn, I'm ready for Sami Zayn. Then it's Randy Orton. I'm ready for Randy Orton. Come on, man. Moose has a bigger head than anybody in the wrestling business. You're going to think I was ready for Randy Orton?

24:47Come on, man. TNA was very necessary. You know, like, as a fan, watching the amount that I watch, as closely as I watch it, there are these, you know, moments where I can feel, and my perception is, oh, that person has it. Like, oh, that person just went to another level. You can kind of feel it, you know what I mean, where you go like, no, they knew it, but that just went from 8 to 9. That just went from 9 to 10, and there's no looking back after it. As a performer, can you feel that? Can you get to those moments, like whether it's being TNA champion, whether it's the story with Sami, whether it's winning the United States Championship?

25:25Are there moments where you're like, man, I thought I was good before, but I just clicked on to something there? You know, my first moment that I had that was with the match that a lot of people know of, some may not, because it was at NXT with Ilya Dragunov, the Mad Dragon. And I got to give my kudos to Ilya Dragunov. You know, he's my friend to this day. You know, he was actually in the wedding, you know, all the way to Jamaica. You know what I mean? He came to the wedding. Excuse me. But, man, it was a fight. Nothing more, nothing less. We fought, you know, 25 minutes bleeding, everything like that.

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26:00You know what I mean? It is either sink or swim right now. Is Ilya Dragunov going to defeat you or are you going to make your name right now? Put your fork in the ground and let everybody know that you're here to stay. and Mad Dragon, Ilya Dragunov was the one who could take me to that level who propelled me to everything that you see and now shout out to the Mad Dragons.

26:23When you think about Trick Williams because I think one of the things that makes the Trick Williams character so unique is that you do a lot of stuff the quote unquote bad guy wrestlers would do But the audience makes the sound that they would make for a good guy wrestler. They cheer what you do. When you think about Trick Williams and who Trick Williams is, is Trick Williams a good guy or a bad guy? Let me ask the people. Do y 'all think I'm a bad guy? No! Do y 'all think I'm a good guy? Yeah! Hey, look, man. The truth is, I feel like good guy, bad guy. Who knows? Trick Williams does some bad things sometimes.

27:06Trick Williams does some good things sometimes. Let's talk about it. But, you know, I might be the villain in somebody's story, like if your name is Sammy Zane, and I might be the hero in somebody else's. You know, Trick Williams is just Trick Williams, you know, good or bad. As long as the people are loud, as long as the people are having a good time, Trick Williams is happy. What that trick? What that trick? That answers it.

27:37You know, Trick, I mean, WWE has not only brought you success in your professional life, it's brought you success in your personal life. You're part of one of the great love stories in real life in the WWE with Lash Legend, of course. Can we get some noise for the legend herself? Yes. Yes. I know she's all the way back in Orlando, but is this camera on me? I'm thinking about you, girl. Good for you. Good for you. What is it like to be a part of a pro wrestling super couple? You know, some people go, you know, the separation is important. Obviously others want to share everything in life. For you to not only be going through this ascension in the world of professional wrestling, but to do it alongside your partner.

28:29And for you two to be kind of doing it simultaneously, what has that been like for you guys as a couple? It's been nothing but a blessing. I mean, the support, my growth, you know, since we first got together. Let me tell y 'all, I'm going to tell y 'all something that I ain't never told nobody. The first day, me and Lash Legend decided, hey, we're going to do this, we're going to be together. She said, yes. Okay, now I need for you to put on 30 pounds. That's the first thing she told me. I weighed 212 pounds at the time. I am now 245 pounds. Wow. You know what I'm saying? That's love. You listen.

29:01You listen. I listen to them. You have to. She said, you know, she wants me to be big enough to be with her first thing first. You know what I mean? I got to carry a certain type of prowess. But she wanted me to look like a main eventer. She wanted me to look like a heavyweight. And you can literally see the progress of my life and my booking and everything, just everything going up with my weight. You know, just having my lady by my side, being on my team, you know, me packing my bags, helping me. You know, my success is her success. Her success is my success. and we're a team and we work together.

29:32So, yes. I don't think it's talked about enough. Yeah, give it up for Lash. Give it up for Lash. But I don't think it's talked about enough how unbelievably athletic and accomplished Lash Legend is. I mean, she still holds an NCAA record. Still holding NCAA records. I mean, she taught me how to do a backflip. A lot of you not. You know what I mean? She taught me how to do a backflip. And she doesn't do it on TV all the time, but she's just as acrobatic as any girl in the WWE, believe it or not. Would you say she's the athlete in the relationship if you had to pick? Come on, Meg. You're starting problems, Meg.

30:08You're starting problems. But the truth is, man, you got to look at the numbers, man. She is that girl. That's what I'm saying. I mean, like, look at her numbers at Texas A &M, Mississippi State, drafted to Seattle Storm. You know, Trick Williams, he plays football at South Carolina Gamecocks. Any Gamecocks in the house? Not today. Don't worry about it. Any Philadelphia Eagles in the house? Oh yeah, we in New York, you know what I mean? So there it is. No. I mean, I kind of wish you hadn't told that story. I think it sets a dangerous precedent. If my wife ever came to me and said, I'm going to need you to put 30 pounds of muscle on, I'm finished.

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31:19I mean, as confident as you are, for Lash to be able at that point to step up and go, I don't know if you understand who I am. I need you to look like a main eventer. That's right. Not for you, not for the business, for me. For me. Because I need to walk around with you. That's right, man. A queen on your arm is the best thing that can happen to you, man. You know what I mean? Because she represents me and I represent her. So I'm going to make sure I'm on top of my game and she's going to make sure she's on top of hers. When did you realize that white was your color? White was my color? Yeah. So, true story.

31:53I'll lie to you not. When I debuted, I came out and I interrupted Sami Zayn. I had the all-white fur coat on. I had the tight-fitted white pants. And, of course, I was rocking my lemon pepper steppers. That's right. And then I came out the next week, and I changed it up. And I was wearing some black gear, and I did something with Randy Orton. And then Triple H comes to me and says, where's your coat? I said, oh, okay. I was thinking, it wasn't my coat. It was just a coat. You know what I mean? Bruce Pritchett comes to me. Where's your coat? Michael Hayes. Where's your coat? I said, oh, I get it now.

32:28Then Michael Hayes says, I never saw Elvis Presley without his coat. So that's my coat now. And I've been rocking the white ever since. But it makes it simple. I love the white. You know what I mean? The white looks good. And now we got an all-white legacy title just to match the fur coat because I stuck to the white. Action figures coming soon on the way. Did somebody come to you with that legacy title and say, this is what we want to do? Was it your idea? I mean, how did this come about? That was Lil Yachty, man. Lil Yachty. All the way through. Sounded to both. Sounded to both. What do you think of, you're a big part of the upcoming season of Unreal.

33:05That's right. Starts next week. But, you know, part of the season three of Unreal is a lot about the guys like John Cena leaving, Seth Rollins being injured, you know, the sort of established talent going, and this new crop coming in, and part of that is you. What was it like to be followed around by the unreal cameras? And how are you feeling knowing that the people that watch that show are going to see that side of Trick Williams? Man, it was a dope experience. You know, you will get to see a different side of Trick Williams. You know, how I prepare for the matches. You know, how I deal with the pressure.

33:42You know, how I prepare for these big moments. You know, me and Lash going on some dates. Different things like that. And I'm very fortunate that Trick Williams is not polar opposite to who I am. You know what I mean? It's not like some character that I put on for Friday night. No, Trick Williams is part of Mattrick. Mattrick is my birth name. Trick Williams fits right inside of Mattrick. So when you turn that red light on a little bit longer, you dig deep inside to see who Trick Williams is, that's what you're going to get when you turn it into unreal. You'll see Trick Williams, a little bit more vulnerable side.

34:15You get to see who I truly am. I love it. I love it. You had a match on SmackDown we were talking about. Baron Corbin interrupted it. Baron Corbin. But before we got there, it was you and Mello. And I think for a lot of us that have been watching both of your careers in the WWE from the very beginning and watching that story from the very beginning, it was kind of an amazing thing to see. Because it felt right. It felt fitting. but also it feels like you and Mello are two completely different entities than the people that we met in NXT. What was it like for you as recently as last week wrestling that match with Carmelo Hayes?

34:58You know, it's weird. It's like somebody who you used to be best friends with. Has anybody had a best friend that you grew up with and went to high school with and did so many things with? And then you see them five years later, ten years later. It's like you know him, but you don't know him no more. You know, and that's kind of what it is with Melo. It's like I know him, but this is a whole different Carmelo Hayes. I'm a whole different Trick Williams. But luckily I've been watching the film and I knew his moveset because I was right there with him ringside for so many years. But you're right, it's a whole different Trick Williams, a whole different Carmelo Hayes.

35:32You know, Trick Melo game may never come back, but the people get to see us together at least a couple more times. You know, maybe he gets a title shot, maybe not. Who knows? Let's find out. You know, Trick Mellow Gang was forever for some of us who were watching closely. Oh, you should. I'm going to blow up her spot right now. When Trick and Mellow broke up in NXT, my phone went off immediately. And it was Megan Moran. And I mean, she was beside herself. I was. I go, Megan, you work here. Get a hold of yourself. But she was beside herself going, I can't believe it happened. It can't have happened.

36:11I can't believe it happened. And then she wrote this. It can't really be over. It can't. But you got to understand, Meg was right there when Trick Mellow Gang was formed. That's right. A lot of people don't know. We came in together. We did. It was Trick, Carmelo Hayes, Brom Breaker, The Crease, and Megan. That's right. A lot of people wrote me right in there. Megan was right there all along. So, you know, it hits her a little bit different. It did. It definitely did. And I think there are some people who have that chemistry and you grow with them in that relationship. I think of, you know, great rivalries in WWE, Becky Lynch and Charlotte Flair.

36:44There's something about them that they're always be connected to one another. Do you feel that way with Carmelo Hayes? You know, it is one of those alpha dog stories. You know what I mean? Like, how many times can greats really coexist for a long time? We had Shaq and Kobe. Rest in peace. We had Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen. You know what I mean? We had so many. We had Outkast. There's so many examples of, you know, just teams that were great together, but there's a time limit on that thing. But who knows? Can Trick Melo Gang be different? Are we just like everybody else? Who's the top dog in the situation?

37:19We got to wait and see. I mean, it's a great point. But it's also a great point because I think those things separate because people, the sort of clarity of who is who in the relationship starts to go away, right? Like, yeah, you could say, you know, outcast Andre and Big Boy, but I can't tell you today which one's Andre 3000 and which one's Big Boy between you and Melo. I can't tell you anymore who's Jordan and who's Pippen. I can't tell you anymore who's Shaq and who's Kobe. And I think that that's the big difference. And when you look at that, when you look at you two right now, I think that Melo has found this place of slightly more, maybe humility in a good way where he's become much more relatable to a lot of us.

38:06Whereas you have kind of skyrocketed up into the clouds somewhere. Which is really interesting to me because you start on television as a guy whose job it is to make the other guy look good. And when you separate, it's on you to go whatever power you were putting into Mellow you have to put it all into yourself now. Was it an easy transition to go from my job is to make this guy look like a million bucks to my job is to make me look like a million bucks? And it was so easy. I couldn't wait. But you got to think about it. Being alongside him, he's getting the main events and all these different PLEs.

38:48And it was my job to get on the microphone and say, report it to you live, the greatest North American champ alive, Carmelo Hayes, finally arrived. Make sure that all the people are standing up. Make sure everybody's ready for him to come into the ring. And then in return, it was, Trick, I need for you to get behind me and stand to the left somewhere so I can get my shot all by myself. I'm like, come on now. That ain't how a partnership's supposed to work. You know what I mean? I know I was new in the game and everything like that. I'm doing everything I can to make sure you look like a star. But can Trick Willie get a piece?

39:19Can I get a little piece of the pie? So once my big toe got through the door, and I put my lemon pepper stepper on, and I was able to do my thing for Trent Willie and Trent Willie himself. You thought I couldn't wait, Sam? Come on, man. But, you know, it changes you. It changes you. When you're able to get your own spotlight, man, once you get your first taste of gold, once you eat your first piece of fried chicken, you know what I mean? Once you go to, what is it, John's on Bleecker Street, and you taste that pizza right there, you want it again, and you want it again.

39:56There it is. Do you feel like people in the WWE, and I don't mean the fans so much as behind the scenes, I mean the powers that be, do you feel like they understood Trick Williams from the beginning? Because I feel like Trick Williams is very specific to you. Do you feel like from the beginning they understood Trick Williams, or do you think that that was a learning process? You know, I've seen videos of Triple H himself saying, I have no idea what lemon pepper steppers are. And that's perfectly fine, you know what I mean? Because it's a special connection that I have with the people. And by the way, the lemon pepper steppers is just, it's that sauce.

40:40You know what I mean? You can have a dry chicken wing or you can put that sauce on it. And what does that sauce do? It takes your chicken wing to the next level. And that's what these lemon pepper steppers do. It takes your swag to the next level. Everybody out there, if you want some lemon pepper steppers, holla at your boy. I can hook you up. And you know what else it does? You know what else the lemon pepper does to the chicken wings that it does to your feet as well? What's that? It gives them a kick. That's right. A little stank on it. A little stank on it. Save it, Sam. Save it. Thank you.

41:11Thank you. I just thought of that. Thank you very much. I feel very, very proud of myself. Yeah, that's right. That's right. How long have you been saying Lemon Pepper Steppers before you debuted it with the Chick Williams character? You know, the funny thing is, that was just a throwaway line. I'm not even sure what's in the script. Like, I just, Lemon Pepper Steppers is something that me and Lash say at the house. It's funny. Something that my granddad said about his shoes way back in the day. Like, I didn't know it was going to be a thing. You know, it's just Lemon Pepper Steppers. That's just what it was.

41:40But everybody loves the Lemon Peppers. People love it. People love the Lemon Peppers. They do. They love the Lemon Peppers. What is it like, as somebody who grew up a wrestling fan, like you said that you did, two things. Number one, to step outside onto a WrestleMania stage and have 50 ,000 people chanting, whoop that trick. And then to look into the audience and see small children wearing white fur coats. What is that like for you? Man, it's unreal, man, because the truth is, in heart, Trick Williams still remember when he was a little kid. Like my guy right there sitting on top of the shoulders right there.

42:26I remember when I was that size watching. What's up, my dog? I remember when I was that size. It was just a dream. I never met any WWE superstars. Even though I was playing football at the time, I didn't meet any NFL superstars. Everything just seemed so far-fetched. I didn't know if it was possible. You know what I mean? It was just a dream, literally. So to be able to be a symbol of hope for anybody, for any young kids who want to be something like a WWE superstar, a football player, or just want to look good and feel good about themselves, man, I love that. Because I wish there was someone like that back in the day when I was coming up that I was looking forward to and meeting in person.

43:07So, yeah, man, I love the kids. Trick loves the kids, man. That's what I've heard. Yes. But Trick, you've had just like, if you really sit down and think about it, the last year has been such an unbelievable journey for you. You know, coming up to the main roster, having a WrestleMania moment, becoming the United States champion, getting married to the love of your life, Lash Legend. Have you had time at all to really sit back and process what you've been through this last year? because it seems like everything just keeps on coming. And it's not going to stop no time soon. We got an album on the way.

43:48You know, Trick and Yachty are going to be in the studio. Let's talk about it. Like, man, you got to go, man. Like, shoot, man, they let me through the door. It's time to show everybody what I'm about. You know, let everybody know that Trick Williams is here to stay and do something with the business and with this opportunity that's never been done before. That's my goal. when you get those ideas of what that means what it means to do things that haven't been done before and that's that's whether it's projects outside of wrestling or work inside of the ring or character work or whatever it is who are those people that you're bouncing ideas off of who are the people that you talk to about about this yeah man definitely booker t you know booker t was always a staple in my growth and i appreciate that you know but as of lately man triple h has been very hands-on.

44:33Triple H, I'm very grateful to have a good relationship with him, especially Nick Khan, man. Nick Khan has some great ideas. I can't really speak on it, but he knows what he's talking about. That's amazing. I think that's what people wouldn't have expected. Nobody expected that. Nick Khan is a genius. That's awesome. Ladies and gentlemen, Trick Williams is the United States champion. Yes, he is. Trick Williams is here at Fanatics Fest. Trick We appreciate you coming on to WWE now, opening up Fanatics Fest for everybody. Are there any words that you would like to leave the audience with today? Reporting to you live, the sexiest and most entertaining superstar live, Tripp Williams finally arrived.

45:20And this week, I will address Baron Corbin coming out here, calling himself the Big Bad Wolf, while I call him the Big Bald Headed Bum. And Tripp Williams is going to beat him down. Let's talk about it. Ladies and gentlemen, Trick Williams!

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