Auditions, Ranking Actors & Weird Parenting Advice

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0:30clean laundered they smell nice there are some people that don't get under the sheets at a hotel because they don't trust them what would you mean you know even though they mean wash to sort of think about what laundry can I say you could eat your dinner off those beds shout out the launders think about if you think about that's gonna come a problem what's gonna come from no honestly if you think about if you think about I just wipe my ass I know that's not true if you think about what happens in a hotel room every night can I just say by the way a lot of times what happens in a hotel room is not that it's just people go to sleep I know yeah you're thinking everyone's bumping yeah but I just think when you go into a hotel not bumping uglies but I mean come on fucking hell I was going to say shagging but I felt so old saying shagging no but do you know what bumping ugly sounded really edgy so well done dodge that bullet who says shagging anymore who says bumping uglies

1:34anyway how are you tom i'm good mate i'm good yeah yeah what are you up to you know what you're like worried about literally this is very very of the moment yeah we're sitting here we're i'm very much at home here this is this a beautiful studio very happy and then i've just had this email for a part okay i i'm gonna get too yeah but i'm slightly nervous for you now because this is bad you've just received this yeah and now you're going to overshare I'm not overshare I got very excited when I read the blurb I was like oh this feels a bit of me cool disaster stroke action movie movie yeah very exciting audition you're a movie guy now aren't you I'm not a movie guy you're a movie guy I'm not I'm not a movie guy hold on aren't you in two films that are coming out this year I'm in four films that are coming out this year is that true yeah yeah so you're in four films this year but not big parts I've not been in four films in my life yeah no but they're not big yeah i'm yeah i'm a supporting actor but this part is very like it's an audition but it's very much like i you i get i get taken out pretty quick okay i can't give too much i got very excited i read the part i'm like okay i could maybe do some of this uh i look at the script and i'm literally in a disaster sort of like monster movie on the first thing i'm I'm like the sort of like well you're not are you this is an audition yeah I'm not I haven't got the part I mean yeah so hypothetically theoretically if you make it through the audition yeah which by the way I'm awful in the auditions we've covered that before yeah but you're in four films this year I'm just I'm saying back to you what you said to me no no no let's not get in coy now you're in four films coming out this year but also yeah but I'm not like a lead actor I'm like I mean alright I mean let's not you're sort of displaying arrogance in your attempt at humility here i'm not arrogant i'm just saying to be a lead actor you're supporting action yeah yeah yeah yeah oh yeah i'm a cog in a wheel yeah yeah but i'm just saying this one i got very excited about i start reading it and then it's very much like yeah i'm swiped out so there's not a lot of that i thought i was going to be a part of the in the in the mix of you know the horror of the oh no this thing's coming but i just get taken out before there's any of that so i'm they're like a moose-bouche for the monster yeah but you could is there part of you that thinks you could turn that into an amazing like if you might if you really fucking really went for it and your cameo how when you go for auditions how much do you give it I don't really go for auditions because it's a really interesting thing right another actor I won't name him but he's a friend of mine a friend of yours a very good guy he's a come about he said to me um he never gives it too much in the first audition because he's like if I give it too much and if I get do too much stuff to it he's like but he's like we've done a lot of stuff hmm and he's like what basically will sometimes could become between two like the producer one saying and the director on someone right on a part and so they'll usually argue over this part they'll be like oh yeah well we think it should be Rob Beckett we think it should be Josh Willicombe they're arguing over this film sounds terrible and he said and what often happens is then you've got someone in the middle who everyone's like yeah he's pretty good and they get that part so he goes into it with this that's how um isn't that how leonardo dicaprio got the revenant really yeah fuck off what of course i'm fucking Jesus Christ oh my god yeah so that he he said he never puts too much passion right he wants to be he's aiming to be the middle guy but also then if he gets a callback he's auditioning to be the compromise also then he also says what he goes in and so for your first tape you go well I'm gonna give it this and then when your second if you get a call back if they like because he said so much of it is I mean it's they'll literally look and go oh he looks good yeah and then he'll go back in and the second say he'll give it everything whereas I go in with so much gusto okay and then I think sometimes I probably come across too thirsty in auditions I'm gonna do an audition now I mean it would be good if we had a film script that I could let me just find one Okay It bears me one second We can edit this out, can't we?

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6:26Storm, zero sugar, 200 milligrams of caffeine, and immunity support. Storm, energy for life. remember like so i'm i'm the cast director yeah so i don't have to give this anything yeah yeah you don't yeah no no yeah okay hi hello tom thank you so much thank you so much for seeing me thank you i love this part i love the script what did you think what was your sort of take on the script just thought it was really really amazing um i can see all the characters like i know them i don't know if you've ever felt that before yeah yeah it's really good oh it's good that you feel like that. Actually, what I really love about it is like the city of LA itself is a character.

7:07Yeah, yeah, I guess so, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's really, really good and I just hope that this gets the, if it's not me, it's someone else, but someone. Someone will get it, yeah. Yeah, but I hope it's the right person because to bring something like this to life is an honour. So, thank you so much for having me. Yeah, we've got a couple of people in the picture for it. Oh, exciting. But we're very excited to hear you. Well, thank you very much. yeah really interested really interested in your take on it so so um do you want to give me a little bit of background on the character he's quite a cool guy i guess yeah i mean you got it all in the notes yeah i imagine you read them before you arrived yeah of course yeah i'm not off book by the way no i didn't expect you would be based on what you're wearing um okay so uh i have got a roll neck in my bag if you want no no no that's fine so what we'll do is we'll just what we'll do is do a raid and then I'll give you some thoughts and then maybe see if you can fold that into the second read okay okay and so basically these two guys are in a calf one of them's a bad guy one's a good guy right are you telling it yeah yeah okay okay all right I'll be Hannah yep and I'm going to the part of no McCauley I believe yeah yeah yeah okay see I mean you read the covering yeah so he's cool okay seven years in Folsom in the hole for three McNeil before that

8:29yeah McNeil it was McNeil as tough as they say you're looking for a couple of people so can we just hold on one second just stop the count UK Tom so yeah I went with the idea that he's halfway through his front up no I saw that yeah I actually think that he'd be drinking just a coffee and did the fry up stopping from being able to pronounce penologist. I didn't know how to pronounce that name, or I don't actually know what it is. You have, but you've read, I mean, I know you're off book, but you've seen the words before. You have, but I didn't know what that was. Should we go from the top? Yeah, okay.

9:01So I'm just going to drink a coffee because I actually think eating was too much. Okay, fine, yeah, yeah, what have you wanted to do. Okay, cool. Okay, and let's go. You ready? Yep. Okay. Seven years in Folsom, in the hole for three. McNeil before that. Yeah, yeah. Was McNeil as tough as they say? wait are you looking to become a petologist can we just stop again it's penologist okay I'm sorry sorry what we'll do is if you mispronounce it again we'll just carry on penologist okay but it's penologist okay let's go from the top seven years in Folsom in the hole for three McNeil before that yeah was McNeil as tough as they say we'll carry on you're looking to become a penologist you're looking to go back You know, I just chase some crews.

9:46Guys just looking to fuck up, get busted back. That you? You must have worked some dipshit crews. I worked all kinds. You see me doing thrill-sicken liquor-chasing hold-ups with born-to-lose tattoo on my neck or chest?

10:06No, I do not. Right. I ain't never going back. Then don't take down scores. I do what I do best. I take down scores. You do what you do best. Trying to stuff guys like me. So you never wanted a regular type life? What the fuck is that, huh? Barbecues and ball games? Yeah. What, this regular life? That's your life, buddy? Okay, can we just stop there? Can we scroll back up, please? there's one particular line that I'd love to hear your read on again yeah that's okay Tom I will have to look back at the recording but it sounded like you said you see me doing thrill sicker liquor still hold up to the born to lose tattoo on my neck or chest well the way I see this character is like it's easy like to read this and be really slick and cool but if he gets a little bit tripped up in his words but I think let's should we try and find that within the line so Do you want to just give me that again?

11:09Yeah, okay. Where was I with the sandwich? Do you remember? I thought you had a coffee. I did, but then I went for a sandwich. Had the sandwich been there the whole time? I had the sandwich for this take, yeah. Okay, I don't think it... But if you're going to cut this take together and show Michael Mann, I'd really like the whole... Why don't you worry... Let me worry about what Michael Mann's going to say, okay? If I make you feel better, Michael, we're not sure on the sandwich continuity. Okay, I'm just going to have the sandwich like this just so you know what I'm doing. Okay. So it can be cut in.

11:36you see me doing thrill seeker lickered star hold ups with a born to lose title on my chest buddy there's no buddy in the line that's yeah I know but I'm trying that's my interpretation of the character he calls everyone buddy okay can we just scroll down a bit further please there's a little chunk of monologue here I need you to feed me in this because it's quite important yeah okay okay fine I'll give you the last few lines okay fine I got a wife we're passing each other on the down slope of a marriage my third because I spend all my time chasing guys like you around the block. That's my life.

12:14Guy told me one time, don't let yourself get attached to anything. You end up winning a walkout on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner. Now, if you're on me and you've got to move when I move, how do you expect to keep a marriage huh great I think we've got everything I think that is thank you so much Tom do you think the apple the sandwich was did you think the sandwich added something to it it added something yeah certainly added a bit of confusion to your delivery I always think it's a power move eating so thank you anyway yeah thanks so much by the way send Michael Matt it's Michael man my regards please we'll do thank you thank you thanks so yeah that's how I go in okay yeah yeah yeah I mean usually I'm off I mean you're taking the piss you'd have prepped a lot more yeah of course I'd be off the book but I do the sandwich thing do you think yeah I think if I felt the thing was right okay sometimes you need to lay down a statement you know in all audition I mean I'd love to see how you how your audition what do you mean well we've done me I'd like to see because you're you're pretty slick I can imagine and not really okay what's your favorite what scene is your what scene stands out we get a real Romesh moment I don't know I think like something quite romantic what's that one of the most romantic for weddings and funeral oh yeah it could be nice yeah no what's the I'm just okay let's do not in here okay you can be Judy Roberts I'll be yeah let's do that okay cool you're Julia all right so let's just do you coming in okay hi I'm Romesh yes ah okay thanks thanks so much for saying no thank you for coming in love the absolutely love the script yes it's a wonderful script so does that thing of like um making you fall in love all over again yeah no no no it's beautiful we're very lucky to have it come across our desk yeah so yeah and we've all been very excited to see what your interpretation would be oh thanks well i mean i'm just honored to be asked to be honest yes read for it so thank you so you are reading for julia

14:24in this. Oh, okay. I actually prepared for... Well, the part that we've got for you isn't fully written, so you are going to... We just need to see what you can do in this situation. Okay. And just so I know, Julia is British? She is American, but you can play it British if you're worried about her being... Okay. You can play it in your own accent or you can play it in... No, I can do it American. There's also a pair as a wacky sidekick. We haven't got that script yet. So we'll see what you could do. I wonder if that's going to release a fast. anyway okay let's um but if you can imagine you've read the whole script yeah so they're in love um so well this is yeah we need you not you're you're in love you're not a victim of your love you're still very sexual okay that's not I mean the scene that you've all the scene that we're doing is it doesn't feel that sexual it's sort of a reconciliation yes but you still have sexual in you okay sexual in you yeah sexual in you okay so you're still very yeah okay what's wrong we'll just imagine you're being sexy well I've not we've not started ever okay are we going yeah but remember you go knock on the door first oh right Yeah.

15:35Knock, knock.

15:39Um, less is more. Okay. Less is more. Okay. Knock, knock. Hi. Can you love me again? No. I'm slowly but surely starting to figure out that you're a selfish wanker, and I can't let you hurt me again. Pucks. But I'm just a girl, standing in front of a boy. asking him to love me no no no no no that's what I think you're just you know just guess that yes yeah just a girl standing in front of a boy I don't think that's sorry to I don't know if that's how it'll be played just just that doesn't feel like how it's written just give me something more okay from Let's do it again for the top. Okay. Knock, knock.

16:32Hi. Can you love me again? No. I'm slowly but surely starting to figure out you're a selfish wanker. I can't let you hurt me again. Bollocks. But I'm just a girl. Standing in front of a boy. Asking him to love me. Love her. Her. That was really sexy. I'm just a girl standing in front of a boy asking him to love thank you for coming in see but actually you know what you took notes really well thanks that's one of the big things that Carson director yeah thank you I mean there is no way that this is the real script no but it's this is all we've got yeah okay it's also this feels like a sad ripoff of because they're called Julia and Hugh yeah one of the characters yeah I don't think in the script is as Julian here does it would be awful if you auditioning for evil those parts yeah I guess this for him for Julia Robertson well in Cinderella did play Romesh did you yeah oh wow you know I am early on in my career I did a part and the character was called Greg and as we were sort of doing a like a read-through he realizes I went this is obviously Greg Davis sort of joking and they went yeah

17:56yeah so never call a character yeah all right well that was good yeah enjoyed it Scott we've gone off a tangent expect to go there mmm how have you been my baby yeah I've been good I am having a little bit of a thing with the the boys but oh here for dad advice yeah I'd love to get my dad advice okay I've got three sounds I got a daughter working out um six evenings a week yeah I'm not home and the good thing is I don't bring it home and sort of start talking about how even though I'm chasing my dreams is not working out exactly how I wanted and could Lisa listen to me talk about it yeah yeah yeah oh god she's so lucky anyway the point is she's doing a lot of running around after the boys yeah she's had to basically it's almost like if you put in a football analogy it's a bit like when Saliba got injured for Arsenal and Gabriel's having to do twice the work.

18:47Yeah, like when I'm away, Lisa's got to do the drop-off, she's got to do the running around, she's doing the dinners and stuff like that. Whereas when I'm at home, all she's doing then is the drop-offs, the running around and the dinners. But so the problem that I've got is, is that the boys, because Lisa's so good, they're not being as grateful and they're getting a little bit... Do you know that thing about where it starts off with gratitude then it moves to expectation and then it moves to resentment I don't think they resent Lisa but sometimes I feel like they're expecting these things to happen so much so that it's got to the point now where I think I need to have a chat with them and just be a bit grateful can I say by the way you've melted a bit already why?

19:38because when you were doing that even I was like wow this is like a dominant force in the house and then what happened and then you just went and he just I don't want to keep doing that the whole fucking time I'm gonna move at some point oh no but you can't like you're going in there sort of like you're going yeah I'm not having you actually you had like brando esque like yeah but that's not how I want a parent also by the way this is aggressive no you're gonna do you stroke it slowly like that that feels sexual what I'm saying is this and then you sort of melt a little bit and all your body's off did I start to?

20:12yeah you can't do that alright you know now by the way can I just say before we carry on this means a lot because I know how steely you are with grace oh no can I just say this is the most like hypocritical advice ever given correct you are the chocolate fondant I am I am literally the biggest mug like the level of mug that I've become in my house is grace and Kathy like I'll do something I think we fits funny for a four-year-old that you'll laugh at hold on a sec did you hear that what's that I think it might mean Josh and Rob panicking somebody's moving on to their territory I did say that have you seen the blue episode rug island no there's a great episode of blue eagle rug island where blue is put a bingo playing with their dad yeah a game on a rug where they've got felt tips they do this imaginary game where they're catching fish well I brought some I brought some felt tips for me and grace and I threw them all over the floor then I'm like sort of and she was playing for a little bit and then I am I saw for the way oh we need we need to build a bridge to the next island so I've got loads of pillows I was sort of thrown and leaping from pillow to pillow and I sort of slipped a bit and grace that's a katherine she went oh dad oh dad katherine just started laughing she was really funny but it was like you know like like she thinks you're a pathetic yeah yeah like she thinks i'm an absolute joke so no i'm but i'm giving advice on the basis that yeah do as i do as i say not as i do exactly but what i'm saying is like you've got three they're three lovely boys they're great lads they're amazing lads but they're all of an age now and i think you'd agree they they are very very funny boys they love mickey taking they love it very much like their father right i don't like you do one of the best mickey takers i don't know there should be an insult that's a compliment you're great at bloody banner but i'm just saying i'm just saying you've got to go in there now not as like oh dad's our best mate hey dad come here yeah you've got to go in there my children have put me in a headlock yeah okay but sometimes yeah yeah yeah they've tried it fucking after about 45 minutes I got out of it that shows you I'll just say would you go in there you've got to go in there as not necessarily doing this the woodpecker but go in there as you know have a little bit of more like you know a little bit of authority a little bit of swag wear something in ice clothes why I'm not dressing up to speak to my children no but don't wear your old like sort of like tracksuit bottoms where the waist going an old Arsenal shirt it's not too like wear something that feels like you know makes you feel nice and then you'll feel more like confident I don't know this feels like dating advice no I'm just saying if your boys are sitting there they're all playing on a computer and you come walking in they're like oh my god dad put it away I'm not walking around with my dick out no I mean like if you're wearing a pair of light they can see it through the Tom Tom I don't know I don't know what you think I'm walking around the house in but they're not going oh dad can you put your cock away again

23:28it's not that out it's more of a figurative there's not a suggestion of it it's not silhouetted they can't see it pressed against my thigh from a tight legging alright they're not seeing any of that

23:47okay but when you come in yet you just got your nice you put where you're nice fun I've got coming in a say what are they doing yeah can't no risk they're playing on their PS5 right call of duty or grandfester or something as you didn't call right and they're like oh cripes you just blimmin killed me mate and then yeah what do I say why are you behaving like you're in the Beano who the fuck says cripes? What are they swearing? Sometimes they do. Okay. They're allowed a bit of an amnesty. Oh, you fucking louse. You bloody killed me, mate. Boys, can I... Oh, just in the middle of the game. No, no, no, no, no.

24:22We're just playing a game, mate. I need a word now. Dad, I've never got it. What? What are you doing? Are you silly? I know you're not talking to me like that. I need to have a chat with you. Oh, my God. What's happened? Mum's dead. What? Is what I could be saying to you one day. okay and you'd really regret it i've gone quite too really heavy she's not she's not let me be she's not but let me try again um what do you even want i mean you've got to be a bit like how the kids are okay okay what do you even want

25:00um you've not been you've been a bit rude to mum mum's like running around doing love mum sure but you're sort of taking her for granted a little bit in what she's what do you even mean think about what you're gonna say I've not even finished the sentence I'm sorry do you want to let me just get my friend Wesley from America okay he's going for a lot right now well I hope his son's been not as much of a prick as you are listen mom's running around she does the most you of anyone yeah and you are being rude to her you're expecting stuff you're not being grateful, you're close to a situation where she's just going to stop doing this stuff and you can find your own way.

25:40Wow. I sometimes do not like the way that you speak to mum. I actually find it embarrassing. I would not speak to mum the way you speak to mum and I'm an adult. You're always taking the mick out of your mum. Out of my mum? Yeah. Well, I tell you what, you find a way to monetise it and you can do it. I'm sorry, Dad. When you're like this, you're so cool. that was genuinely by the way kick ass do you like that yeah that was kick that's what it yes bro that was that was as like that was like cool hand look kind of why that was you had an edge bro right mate that's serious you're going like that i'm going to tell you something as well yeah glisa standing in the background you doing that yeah forget about it what does that mean she's gonna be like there is you think I'll have sex yes hmm and by the way then that will become the character you'll probably have to become more and more in the house thus in real life you'll become that person more could be game-changing yeah I mean I'd say stuff like that to the kids all the time not all the time but this is quite sort of serious but it needs an internet yeah but yeah but but you do it like that I guarantee that okay don't turn off the PlayStation halfway through that's a big move have you done that before no because they would never continue playing the game if I speak to them Wow yeah but oh you have so much respect to do it so you're telling me you go into the room if I if I went in and just casually started saying did it there they would carry on playing but if I said I need to have a word of you my iPad got broken the other day because I said to grace grace you need to stop playing that I want to talk to you and she said look to me and I'm great serious and she went and put on the floor hmm I'm starting to wonder why I'm getting the advice from you yeah yeah but it sounds like you're living she's a bit older than I can I can yeah so is it broken this is a little crack on the screen yeah is it her iPad that's mine that's what said my things it's like I've got a really abusive cell but she did I'm being a prick there she didn't know you know she's not I don't know how much this shit's worth no no no no no but Yeah, but it was also she could have turned it off or handed it to me and she chose to throw it on the floor.

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29:25Oh God, I really like this Parenting Hell. What other podcast should we rip off and start doing stuff? Who else is there? Rest is history, rest is entertainment. Oh my God. Rest is entertainment. Okay, let's do rest is entertainment. Yeah. Who are you going to be? Well, we weren't Josh and Robin when we did Parenting Hell. No, I don't know. entertainment wise yeah so actually it's um it's interesting because it's a big TV show sure but actually I'm just I'm doing a bit now it's a big TV show sure but actually anybody sort of in the know will tell you they're not actually getting on behind the scenes and actually that is something that the production team about to work around well really okay why don't we do a thing where I name people in entertainment and you give them a mark out of ten based on how valuable they are okay yeah okay Tom Davis four and a half five Idris Elba eight Claudia Winkleman eight nine okay why can I just stop this little bit for a minute why is Claudia will come in above it just over because she's literally going like this okay and what's the just over doing okay like that he's been steady for interest was a 10 right i think he did he's just declined he did the wire arguably the best performance from an english actor i've ever seen like the stringer bell in the wire is one of great have you seen cinderella on amazon no i'm just saying i'm just saying i'm saying everything from stringer bell is a step down okay stringer bell is a work of it's genuinely one of the best performances i've ever seen so you didn't like luther why i like luther i just didn't think it was as good as it's going to string a bell.

31:10So you didn't like hijack? Why? I loved hijack. I thought it was outstanding. But you think Idris Elba's sort of been like that. You're basically... No, no, no. Right. Hey, hey. You're doing the Gordon Ramsay again here. I'm not doing the... You know what I mean? I'm saying... I'm repurposing what you're saying. No, I'm saying he's string a bell, right? He's a 10. And that is the biggest accolade I could give anyone. Right? And he's... The things he's done... That's not an 8. It's like... Who are we talking about as 10s? I don't know. You gave Claudia Wunkerman a 9. who's a 10 to you Leo Lea Decaprio Jennifer Lawrence yeah Margot Robbie probably an 11 if there's such a thing because I'm so disgusting to watch happen as an actress yeah Margot Robbie is I think almost peerless now recently yeah I think she's a lot Barbie the phenomena that is incredible right Wuthering Heights yeah Margot Robbie is literally like going even back to the yeah everything she's done do you know something we we've done to piss take not piss takes yeah we've entered into the world of two other podcasts both of them I enjoyed more than the regular podcast we actually started talking about something yeah yeah but Margot Robbie's incredible yeah she's incredible there's a thing we should do yeah Dario of a CEO okay fine so who do you who wants to be Bartlett I think I could probably do but okay who am I gonna be like cuz there's there's different areas of Bartlett yeah because like there's the one where you just sort of chats people and make some cry yeah there's one where he talks to some expert who says something yeah and then there's this one now of like this sort of almost everyone in it isn't it like it is like a genial sort of day it's enlightenment yeah okay all of them are quite yeah okay so what do you want this to be you who are you what character do you feel comfortable portraying my name is Jay Stromberger okay well cool name I'm from Guildford Guildford yeah okay and I'm an entrepreneur and what are you selling happiness okay welcome today I am joined and well one of the most outstanding human beings I've ever met in my life I met him at the Super Bowl I was there with my friends Thierry Henry Robert De Niro and loads of other really cool famous people because that's who I hang around with now and this gentleman was there and he came over and he started talking to us about what he's selling and I think it's fair to say we all brought what you're selling that day it was incredible so enlightening so anyway JJ Strongberger welcome to the diary of C E N O.

33:52Thanks Stephen. Thanks Stephen. Sponsored by P &O Ferries. Yeah. So it's wonderful to have you here. Thank you. Thanks so much. And actually weird one is a funny thing at the Super Bowl. Yes. I remember turning around and saying two beers please. And you came over and said alcohol will end you. Yes. And then I said actually make mine a root beer because it's not got alcohol in even though until I was 15 16 I thought we did so what's the question so as a CEO of this thing you're so what are you selling that's what I'm trying to say basically selling something that I wanted to buy so I think you're incredible by the way well we I was sitting with a friend and we were having dinner um mind blown mind blown in san maritz and i've been there i've stayed there three times we just done a day skiing nice i like skiing and i spent sort of my lunch kind of trying to be across emails and um at the end of the day we're sort of sat having doing a bit of apres ski when all of the best thought thinking is done is at the end of the day actually that's one of the things that actually the data doesn't back that up.

35:15What? That's a... What? I don't believe it. Actually, what a lot of people don't realise is almost exclusively people's best ideas happen between 2.17 and 2.31am. That makes sense. That makes so much sense. What you find is a lot of people are getting up at sort of 7 or 8, going into work, and then they are devoting their least creative time to their work. And then, Stephen... Guilty of that. I'm guilty of that. Through the night, when our brains actually have conclusively been shown to be at their most high-end operation. So, Jay, why are you trying to say we should be doing... I'm saying, and the whole thing about Strom is, stop sleepwalking through your life.

36:06Oh, my God. I do sleepwalk through my life I've got says it's I don't think you displayed any of Stephen Bartlett's characteristics at all there it wasn't one of my I thought I nailed Jay Stromberg you were great no I was doing balling do that he does he do that he sometimes he do overly eggs sort of the smallest minutiae I was probably adding some to it. I thought the Thierry Henry thing was very good. Yeah, but he does sometimes, to get clicks, I think there's an element of what Stephen does, which he does very well, is to get people to view. There's a lot of this. No, you're right. Do you know what?

36:49So I was probably over-egging that as I do. Yeah. Okay. Oh, wow, this has been fun. Really good fun. Yeah, I mean, we've displayed none of what our podcast is. No. And what we have done. And why should we? Which is kind of what our podcast is. yeah what do you think about Stephen Bartlett because it sounds like you hate him no no no at all I don't really know too much about the guy I see there's there's a if you are still a diverse CEO I don't think I'd be asked if you were asked you would be asked it's so legit that you'd be asked I think I would if I was gonna be asked I'd probably have been asked by now I don't know I don't know what I find is a little bit there's a part of me that finds there's a lot of the lot of these podcasts that you watch there's a lot of sadness like in them so you sit and watch them a lot of it is sort of it feels it's there to to make feel people feel upset and they're trying to get the sort of saddest moments out of people's lives i'm not saying it's dire i don't listen or watch enough of it but when i've have like i know you went on it and yes uh and other friends i've had who've gone on it and it always seems that it all roads lead to like them going oh yeah i ended up crying yeah i mean he does do his research research very good yeah yeah whereas we don't you know we don't do any research no um i like the energy the fresh air energy oh we did what went wrong didn't we we did a mock of that yeah not a mock uh an homage yeah the amount of research they do is insane i know i think i'm addicted to what actually do you know what i think we should we should research something and present it to each other in the next episode Wow.

38:23That's, yeah. Is that too big? No, I think that's great. But it could be like a restaurant. It could be a film. Well, I mean, going to a restaurant and eating. It could be a TV show. No, no, no. We need to delve deeper. A book? Are you going to read a book between now and next time we do this podcast? Maybe, probably not. I thought we'd read a whole book. About a children's book? Not a children's book. I mean, fucking who's listening to two adults reviewing a children's book? Come on. Maybe what we should do is ask for outside help. wolfowlpod at gmail.com if you've got any suggestions for what Tom and I could present to each other on it won't be the next episode now because we have to get the emails have to come in yeah then we have to read the emails and then we have to process then we have to choose probably a discussion on the next episode and then the episode after that it will be what we're after will be a presentation yeah or even if you've got a suggestion for like a podcast we could replicate it doesn't have to be a specific one it could be like it could be for example like we could do one off the top of our heads right where you've got to talk about something you don't know anything about yeah uh welcome to cycling with rajiv patel uh it's me rajiv here with you uh once again this week as we talk about how cycling doesn't have to be for the elite can also just be for the well i've got to say um as an elite cyclist um and i'm sure you'll know as listeners to the podcast my name is colm willestack um i am i am an elite cyclist and watched for 22 years thank you so much coming for coming to the podcast thank you for having me now most of the people that listen to this are people who want to push on to the next level but obviously they've got the you know you devote your life to it for 22 years yeah we're talking about you know we are today talking to people who have got jobs they've got families quit them if you wanna if you want to reach the next if you want to be an elite cyclist that's all you can have I'm talking elite.

40:16I rode with Lance Armstrong. I have secrets. Well, probably the less said about that, the better. Am I right, Colm? What's that supposed to mean? I'm just saying because obviously this is a, you know, I was just making a light joke about me. There's no joking about cycling. It's a serious sport made by serious human beings. But you can have fun with it, can't you? No. If I see somebody laughing and joking around on a bike, I will write up to them and say, hey, you take it seriously, goddammit. And if you don't, you'll pay for something in a later life or this one. Yeah, I mean, obviously, you followed it incredibly intensely.

40:54But I guess it's, you know, the question I want to get to the bottom of with you is, if you are somebody who's just doing it to enjoy it rather than, you know, not to achieve at the top level. I got a question, friend. Do you want to paddle in the shallow end or do you want to swim? I think you can probably swim in the shallow end, can't you? No, your feet will hit the bottom of the pool. You can go across the top, can't you? No, but if you're giving a gusto, you will hit the bottom. What I'm saying is go where it's deep. See what you've got in you and then make a decision. Life is full of curves.

41:30Not every road is straight. Now, where are you going? Hey, that's a mountain. Can you climb it? You bet I can. so if you were to um give sort of three tips uh to people listening that want to um just you know even improve against themselves i would say earn the burn right right on the fiber right and never look back there are the three things i say to everybody never look back yep yep yep uh earn the burn 100 that's something i've said loads on the podcast is you know there is not nothing quite like the feeling of that lactic acid you know it friend the one that I'm slightly less was it what was it the fuck right the fact ride the fiber what does that mean what's fiber to you like shredded wheat stuff like that fiber to me is the muscles right that and also the fiber and ride your muscles yeah and also the fiber that's in the bike a lot of them are made by a fibrous foam like carbon fiber yeah fibrous foam have you got a fine bike carbon fiber is what I was meaning but yeah right that old carbon fiber and tell it don't ride no more great thank you so much calm thank you for having me yeah ride safe ride true friends and I should yeah it's good I thought it's good yes blacked a little thing I thought it sounded fairly you I'm telling you again, there's more structure to the Mickey takeover.