Hot Chip Challenge, Bathroom Habits and Amanda Holden

1 Jun 2026 · 44 min · 20 chapters

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In short

The Wolf and Al episode with Romesh Ranganathan and Tom Davis covers supermarket habits (big shops vs delivery, self-checkout banter), cooking/food preferences (vegan vs meat, signature lasagna/soufflé, beef wellington prep), bathroom routines (toilet frequency, Elvis “not going enough,” squatty potty “unkinking” the colon), sleep problems (phone use, snooze addiction, sleep hygiene), relationship worries about toilet habits, and a Hot Chip Challenge that escalates into intense heat and immediate stomach effects.

Guests

Amanda Holden appears as a guest in the “Bonkers Kitchen” cooking segment (British actress/TV presenter; known for Magic/renovation shows in the conversation). No other named guests appear; the main hosts are Romesh Ranganathan and Tom Davis.

Key claims

Self-checkout with a trolley is “idiotic” (if misused); squatty potty makes pooping faster; 3–4 hours sleep is common for one host; bed should be a “sleep sanctuary” (no phone).

Notable examples

Easter bunny joke; “Bonkers Kitchen” mock introductions; Hot Chip Challenge with milk and steaming glasses; Peyronie’s disease and Crohn’s/UC ads.

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Chapters

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Supermarket Humor

0:45 to 3:02

Romesh and Tom discuss the quirks of supermarket shopping and share laughs.

“You don't ever see people walking around supermarkets.”

Cooking Preferences

3:02 to 4:51

The duo talks about their cooking habits and experiences in the kitchen.

“I had a bit of lint in my pocket the other day.”

Signature Dishes and Cooking Show

6:00 to 14:00

Romesh and Tom engage in a humorous cooking segment featuring celebrity guests.

“Just seeing you out on the back porch smoking, just going, oh, for fuck's sake.”

Bathroom Habits Discussion

14:00 to 14:50

The hosts discuss their bathroom habits and concerns about frequency.

Average Bathroom Frequency

14:50 to 15:40

They explore the average frequency of bathroom visits and share personal anecdotes.

Health Concerns Related to Bathroom Use

15:40 to 16:40

The conversation turns to health concerns, including worrying about Elvis's fate.

“have at the moment is when i go and i think i'm going to really drop something valuable Tom.”

Squatty Potty Recommendations

16:40 to 17:40

They recommend using a squatty potty and explain its benefits.

“Is there a bit of embarrassment, even though there's nobody there, that your knees are up like that around your ears?”

Touring with a Squatty Potty

17:40 to 18:40

The hosts humorously discuss the idea of taking a squatty potty on tour.

“I reckon, genuinely, 10 years since I've taken a shit in a service station.”

Musical Theater Ideas

18:40 to 20:00

They brainstorm ideas for a potential adult version of Bugsy Malone.

“Don't cry for me, Argentina You're not going to cry, Alita The truth is I never left you Through all the hard times You can sing.”

Casting Ideas for Scrooge

20:00 to 21:05

The hosts playfully discuss casting for a Christmas-themed production.

“Yeah, but I'm just saying that if I was to come to you and go, I've just spoke to the Gildgood Theatre and that we can put on a Christmas display of Bugsy Malone or Christmas Carol.”
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Discussing the Role of Ebenezer Scrooge

21:05 to 22:00

Romesh and Tom delve into Romesh's suitability for the role of Scrooge.

“It'd probably be one of the ghosts, actually, or Jacob Marley.”

Sleep Struggles

22:00 to 23:36

They share their struggles with getting enough sleep and factors affecting it.

“let me know where you'd want to come and see me perform.”

Anxiety and Sleep Patterns

24:05 to 25:20

The hosts discuss their sleep patterns and the impact of anxiety.

“I can't, yeah, but I can't remember the last time.”

Sleep Hygiene and Phone Use

25:20 to 26:40

They talk about the impact of phone use on sleep quality.

“I mean, these are all such rookie errors.”

Sleep Therapy Session

26:40 to 28:00

They role-play a sleep therapy session to analyze sleep issues.

“And then Catherine usually wakes up, goes to the gym.”

Sleep Hygiene and Personal Routines

28:00 to 34:30

Learn about the importance of sleep hygiene and personal nighttime routines.

“No, you'd pick up someone's shorts and go.”

Ad Break: Quaker Oats

34:30 to 34:50

Discover the benefits of Quaker Oats for morning nutrition.

Family Dynamics and Parenting

34:50 to 42:00

Explore the challenges of parenting as children grow and form relationships.

“Quaker, official sponsor of FIFA World Cup 26.”

Hot Chip Challenge Reactions

42:00 to 43:00

Hosts share their immediate reactions to eating a spicy chip.

“I literally brought that to fuck with you.”

Reflections on Personal Challenges

43:00 to 43:45

Discussion on the nature of challenges and knowing your limits.

“What do you mean to say, like, you've got to convince me?”
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Transcript

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0:00Romesh Ranganathan:Welcome to The Wolf and Al with me, Romesh Ranganathan and you... The Wolf, Tom Davis. I'm here and ready to rock. Please like, subscribe, follow, tell a friend, tell someone at your local supermarket about this podcast. You know how you do that. You just tap on and go, you could probably notice me laughing in the World Food Isle. Why? Because I was listening to The Wolf and Al, my friend. Hello, my name is Jack Stevens. Lord knows there's not regularly laughs in the World Food Isle. I'm alright, they take things very seriously. Can I say... This doesn't look authentic.

0:32Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah, what do you want? Beak or jaws? Feathers or fur? Sharp teeth or feet with claws? Whatever's preferred. Just kidding, every word in this song's about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog. You don't have enough laughs in supermarkets. How do you mean? You don't ever see people walking around supermarkets. I think supermarkets be a lot more joyous. It's one part of the week that we're all doing. And I think it should be more of... I don't do it. What? You don't do the big shop? No. Are you joking? No. I don't even want to think about my life without a supermarket visit. How often are you going?

1:07Romesh Ranganathan:Once a week. Once a week you go to the supermarket? Once a week, yeah, minimum. How long are you there for? It depends. If it's a big shop on a Sunday. Just average. Just average it out. I don't need to say every visit. Probably about 40 minutes, 45 minutes. There's no fucking way you're getting in and out in 45 minutes. 45 minutes you can do a good shop. For the family? Well, there's three of us. There's, what, five of you. There's a big difference. yeah but and me and Grace by the way me Grace and Catherine are eating nearly all the same stuff we're not like you that throws a stone in the shoe for Lisa I don't throw a stone in the shoe I'm plant based because of my moral beliefs yeah I know but it's not a stone in the shoe Lisa's like I've got to get some chicken nuggets oh bloody hell I've got to get some vegan nuggets for rum like you know I'm going to get a side of beef I better get some aubergines it's you know there's a lot more for poor Lisa to think of and if you're not going with it by the way it's a great time just to have some chat not just you as a couple but you and other people in the supermarket she doesn't go on her own who does she go with um she doesn't go at all oh you yeah you get delivered yeah and there's a reason for that yeah but by the way I noticed you the way you tilt your head and get all judgmental no I don't yeah you did you went oh you get it delivered no I'm just saying I think it's a really nice I actually think you and Lisa are going together it's the only time we ever argue is when we do the big shot really yeah so we decide to stop doing it we argue a lot but that's the one time that we really come together do you not just get stressed out having to go around the fucking supermarket no I enjoy it I find it stressful I get such a kick when there's like big sales on things at the bargain prices Tesco's blow me away sometimes in what way just sometimes the deals you can get at Tesco's don't you not think they're taking the fucking piss what why because they just put all the shit everywhere you've got to go around pick it up yourself now they're not even putting people on the tills you've got to do that yourself no but listen you might as well just pour it on the floor in the middle of the fucking can i just say if you're doing a big shop you're going for a big shop and you're going through self-service checkout you're a fucking idiot i'm saying i mean that's that's a bit some people if you're doing if you've got no if you've got a basket and a few other bits in your hand and you're waiting for your self-service cool if you've got anything in a trolley that should just be going through you're allowed to go through with the trolley are you to self-service i've seen people do it in test case okay i'm just saying it's one of the best things don't deliver that news like you've seen a dragon no i'm just saying it's not that unusual i like going through the because i think for me you go through the checkout you have a bit of a banter yeah a bit of a laugh if it's easter you crack a joke a couple of jokes about bunnies and give me an example of a easter bunny joke uh oh is this uh got some easter eggs have you yeah i bet they're jumping off the shelves oh god you wouldn't say that really yeah of course i would yeah oh you see You've got the little lint bunny.

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5:59Romesh Ranganathan:with your improv skills there i'm not too bad i can go yeah um yeah but i've not i can't i do go into supermarket occasionally when i've got like a couple of bits but i would never do the big shop there i just like just walking around and sometimes even if i'm not a big shop and going for a few bits I like to just sort of like look around and get ideas how often are you cooking at home almost never okay see that's the difference I love cooking at home I'm not I'm sort of I create too much of a mess we've talked about this yeah I know we have but yeah so who cooks more out of you and Kat probably well she's at home more but if I'm if we're both at home 50-50 should we talk about the resentment there she's at home more there's no she resents me slightly for being out a lot if we're at home for a few 50 right okay yeah I'll get a kick out I love cooking together I do too but you know but if you're messy and sort of like yeah the problem the problem is I think I'd be allowed to regularly cook if I trained myself to do it in a more efficient way yeah if you're a bit more hygienic basically if I cook in the house it's an event yeah people have to be warned yeah you know have to knock on the neighbours' houses and go just so you know wow Ron wants to do his lasagna again there's going to be some swearing some screaming and probably hear some broken glass.

7:13Just seeing you out on the back porch smoking, just going, oh, for fuck's sake. Why do I do this every year? I can't make two cheese sauces, one vegan and one not.

7:23Romesh Ranganathan:So, yeah. So, I don't often cook. What would you say is your signature dish? I do do a really good lasagna. I like a souffle. I like to cook a souffle. A lovely souffle. What type of souffle? Cheese. Three cheese. Huh? Three cheese. We can do three cheese. No, but three cheese is like, isn't that the go-to posh souffle? It's a posh one, but I think you don't want to get cheese fighting. You're going to get one cheese that's really strong, completely overcompensates the other. The other cheeses are going, I'm going to fucking place in the, you know, even finish the race here. If you've got a really strong cheddar, unless you're putting blue cheese, then the cheddar's just completely insignificant.

7:59You know, you've got the blue cheese that's doing all the fucking legwork. So you just go, I'm just doing a blue cheese.

8:05Romesh Ranganathan:It's tiring. I'm just saying. It's so tiring to have a conversation like this. What? It's true. Talk me through how you make a souffle, please. You cook a roux. You cook a nice cheese. Okay, you have to get a bit more basic than that. Imagine you were presenting a cooking show. Talk me through how you do a souffle. Well, I wouldn't do a souffle if I was doing a cooking show. Okay, but imagine that you'd been tasked with doing a souffle. Okay. What am I presenting presenting? You might as well, yeah. Yeah. Hi, welcome to Bonkers Kitchen with me, Tom Davis. Glad to be on the show. this week my sous chef my assistant sorry let me just stop you before we carry on it's not for children this is an adult's cooking show what's wrong with Bonkers Kitchen it's not just Bonkers Kitchen, it's your whole energy I was expecting you to introduce a puppet I would like a puppet you want it more cool not cool but just for grown ups hi me Tom Davis split the difference yo it's me Tom Davis back again on Bonkers Kitchen.

9:11The adult show. Not that sexy. No, no, no. Nobody says it's an adult show. Go on. Okay. What up, friends? It's me back in the kitchen again for my sins.

9:30Today in the kitchen, I'm joined by the legend, one of my favorite musicians, Mr. Cat Stevens. Hello, Cat Stevens. Cat Stevens? What?

9:41Romesh Ranganathan:What does Cat Stevens sound like? I don't know. Okay, all right, come on then. He's American, right, Cat Stevens? Yeah. Well, he's changed his name to Yusuf Islam, hasn't he? Oh, okay, yeah. With one of my favourite singers of all time, Mr. Yusuf Islam. Hello, friend. What I'm saying is I don't think he'd appear on the show. Oh, okay, all right. Someone more realistic. Okay. Hi, welcome back to Bonkers Kitchen with me, Tom Davis, back in the kitchen again. Don't worry, shins. I'm joined today by one of my favourite actors in the world, Mr Mickey Rourke. Hello Mickey, how are you? Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

10:13Good? Hey, hey. So Mickey. Hey, hey. Okay, Mick. Yo. It strikes me, Mickey. We're cooking. We're cooking. We're cooking. What are we cooking? We are cooking. Mickey hungry. Mickey very hungry.

10:27Romesh Ranganathan:Mick, have you been drinking? Huh? Have you been drinking? No, I'm going to tell you what I haven't been doing. Fucking eating. Well, we're going to make a delicious cereal. You little bitch. You little bitch. Okay, Donald Trump. You little bitch. Where's the food at? What are we making? We're going to make a souffle. What are we making? Can I try some of this? Have you washed your hands? Give me one of those eggs. Have you washed your hands, man? I'm just going to crack it into my fucking throat. One of my favorite things to make is souffle. That's not how you pronounce it, little bitch. Souffle.

10:56Sorry. I'm just going to change that. Joining me in the kitchen today is one of my favorite actresses of all time, Miss Amanda Holden. Hi, Amanda. hi hi how are you okay really good thank you what happened to mickey oh he had to go because he was unhygienic um so amanda what's your favorite thing to eat in the whole world um i don't know

11:17Romesh Ranganathan:we sort of we eat lots of different things uh we go out a lot to eat do you yes i tell you what i do love a traditional kind of beef wellington okay would you like us to make you a beef wellington i mean if that's what you're going to make then i'd absolutely love that yeah i mean me and jamie love it. Who's Jeremy? Thiekston who I present with on Magic I think. Where's your husband called? I think it's Chris. Yeah I think it's Christian. Christian maybe? And also me and Alan when we're renovating because obviously. Well actually it's a brilliant show I have been watching that recently. It's a fantastic show.

11:53Tell us about the show. Well I was sort of. By the way while you're doing that I need to get this dish underway Amanda. What is it we're making? Sauteing some onions. What are you making? of beef wellington okay great so just going to saute some onions

12:07Romesh Ranganathan:i don't think we have to wait for this for them to actually soften

12:18now um so amanda you used to be in uh are you can i just check tom are you sautéing them on a

12:25Romesh Ranganathan:keyboard no i'm putting in the beef okay so into what into the frying pan oh okay so you used to be in cutting it which was on bbc a while ago yes uh tell us about do you like hair do i like hair that's a funny question but it was about hairdressers and the funny question we're gonna put in a bit of garlic a little bit of oregano a little bit of thyme a little bit of rosemary uh really get the hair You just put them all in at the same time? Yeah, just to get it out. Because the beef is still raw, it looks. Well, it gets succulent and it gets into the... And here's a little trick for you, man. You probably don't know about this.

13:03A little glug of flour, just to keep it all nice and nice.

13:07Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah, that's quite... I think that's commonly known. First time I've heard flour added by the glug. And now we're going to put in some stock, really get the beef nice and juicy. A glug of stock would work. Yeah, we're going to have a really lovely beef. So, Amanda, tell me more. About what? well what have you been up to then we're going to get some short crust pastry we get the short crust pastry and basically a bit like a pasty we put the beef inside the short crust pastry and we put it in the oven and then let's go and sit down and have a try okay so that's kind of what yeah I mean I've never eaten a beef wellington but even I know that there's something between the pastry and the beef isn't there only space makes a mushroom patte yeah what the fuck happened to that it's all got thrown off because i was trying to chat it's a bit like that what you did was a bit like a saturday kitchen yeah yeah i don't think i'm very good at presenting um how are you anyway good good good yeah i feel good i feel well i've got this weird thing at the moment about um have you he's on line at the moment there's this whole thing about kaiya west west talking about one of the reasons he's out with kim kardashian is because she was shitting all the time she's going to the toilet a lot more than he thought was was sort of respectable i guess and it throws me the question of i do worry sometimes um i'm going to the toilet a lot more than i should i love going to the bathroom like taking a crap to one of my favorite hobbies and i worry that that could be the sort of straw that breaks the camel's back in my relationship um it was a hell of a monologue so how many times are you going a day at home if i'm at home for a day three maybe four okay four there's two poos and there's other times where it's just a lot of gas how many times do you go a day i would say three three yeah two to three yeah very rarely one who goes for one shit a day i don't know i mean lots of people do i think that i think that's normal is it really well not normal but that's the median this is what i'm fascinated by might the mode gone good no just i don't know anyone who goes once a day um well i mean i don't want to get into details but i do know people that go once a day i just think it's such an incredible thing to go once a day yeah let's look this up how what's the average time that people go for a shit typically three times a day to three times a week three times a week three times a week that is insane isn't it that must fucking break the pan that do you know the the worst thing i have at the moment is when i go and i think i'm going to really drop something valuable Tom.

15:48What? And then I, because my.

15:50Romesh Ranganathan:Okay, can I just say this? Because we've talked about shit a lot on this podcast. I don't think people mind us talking about it. It's the graphic nature. Okay. My big worry at the moment is the Elvis thing. I think I've talked about it. That you're going to die? Yeah. Because he didn't go enough. And he was going to sit on the toilet a lot. And then that's how he passed. Well, look, I would. Can I? I've talked about this before, but I thoroughly recommend a squatty potty. I'm really now looking at getting one of these. You've got to. But in what sense are they against? Are they like genuinely, are you like they work on everything?

16:21Romesh Ranganathan:This is the best way to describe it, right? So imagine this is your colon. Yeah. And when you sit down on a toilet normally, your colon has to sort of like make its way around a bend, like a kink. Yeah. The poo has to make its way around the kink. And then when you sit on a squatty potty, because of the way you're positioned, it unkinks it. So it's just like, whoop, like a water slide. You feel emptier. It's quicker. Is there a bit of embarrassment, even though there's nobody there, that your knees are up like that around your ears? A little bit. And then you just fold it away and put it away, and you walk out feeling like...

16:55Romesh Ranganathan:The main negative is that then if you ever find yourself in a situation where you have to evacuate and you don't have a squatty potty, it feels like a step down. For example, would you take it on tour with you? Oh, I don't know. People would see it then, wouldn't they? Do you know what I mean? I don't know if it was in your case or your bag. Yeah, but Grax is like going, oh, what have you got there? And I'll explain the squatty. I mean, I've talked about it on a podcast. I suppose it doesn't matter. Yeah. To carry it around is a big deal. It folds away. So maybe I'll put it in the bottom of my suitcase.

17:23Or you could have it like, you know, like sort of like with a strap around it and just carry it around you. Sort of back like that. Just in case you go to services.

17:32Romesh Ranganathan:I don't think I'd use it in the services. First of all, if ever you encounter me shitting in the services, there has been a serious fucking emergency. Really? Yeah. I reckon, genuinely, 10 years since I've taken a shit in a service station. What? That's insane numbers. I can't do it. Man. I'm a heimscheisser. What can I tell you? Yeah, no, we've talked about this a lot. Yeah, and I've managed to, like, de-heimscheisse myself, so I'm scheissing in other places, but I'm not a service station. What about your dressing room at the play? No. I've actually got something on. Can I propose a business deal while we're here?

18:07What is it? I think me and you should. Have you ever seen Bugs and Malone?

18:12Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah, with the kids. Yeah, but we should bring, like, an adult. version to the stage. Of Bugsy Milone? You're Bugsy Milone on Fat Sam. We put people we know into it and we do like a special. Aren't business ideas supposed to be potentially profitable? Man, it's massively profitable. Like, think of it like, I think, by the way, you should do one where you're singing next because I can't sing. I can't sing. I mean, that's the one. You can sing. We both, okay, like, I got a dream to live. I got a dream to live. I got a dream to live. Don't cry for me, Argentina You're not going to cry, Alita The truth is I never left you Through all the hard times You can sing.

18:58That was beautiful. I can't.

18:59Romesh Ranganathan:You can't. Not for a fucking musical, I can't. It's barely... Musical, by the way, they don't sing-sing. They just make their voices sound more jolly. Could it be that I'm doing a podcast with my friend Tom The Wolf are now nervous we've got no content we've just moved to video video video video he was running round the alley exposing himself what? yeah I don't think it's a good idea I think it could be a fascinating idea like mate and just like think of all the people who could get involved yeah like who? Beckett Beckett in Bugsy Malone on stage yeah Tom Allen Tom might be up for it yeah Yeah, he'd be really good.

19:44Suzy Ruffell's done. Suzy Ruffell, yeah. He's done lots of musical stuff. Judy Love. Judy Love, yeah. She's fucking incredible on stage. Yeah. I haven't seen her do West End plays, but she's very funny and she's very... Joanne McNally. Okay, all right, let's stop.

19:58Romesh Ranganathan:We're not going to do it at this point. I'm just saying. We're populating a fantasy here. Yeah, but I'm just saying that if I was to come to you and go, I've just spoke to the Gildgood Theatre and that we can put on a Christmas display of Bugsy Malone or Christmas Carol. you could be Scrooge. You'd be a fucking amazing Scrooge. I'm sorry, that is, if you don't do Scrooge in the West End, that is a travesty. You would be the best Scrooge. Why? Because I'm a grumpy bastard. Yeah. If you'd be able to do that part, be Scrooge. He doesn't say Scrooge. Scrooge. It's Humbug. Oh, yeah. It's Scrooge, isn't it?

20:30He goes Scrooge. Scrooge. He goes Humbug.

20:34Romesh Ranganathan:Humbug. No, not like that. Jesus. Do you want my Scrooge or not? All right, show me your Scrooge. Hey, Mr. Scrooge, can I have 50p? What did he say? Bah, humbug. Bah, humbug. I mean, the thing is, you're like, that is West Ending it. That is the thing. You give it some, don't you? Bah, humbug. Wow, fuck, that's really good. You like that? Yeah. Mr. Scrooge, can we have some turkey? Be gone with you, child. Wow. Christmas is for pussies. Fuck off, you nonce.

21:10it's um yeah not bad shout that that is that's what we should do yeah definitely let's get on

21:15Romesh Ranganathan:it yeah should we do it alongside the shout outs for small businesses no we should try that right if i could if i could get if we could get a theater on board through the wall for now yeah do one of special i mean you're fucking good at knowing not lines and stuff and it's literally nearly you're on stage the whole time i could be bob cratchit yeah i don't know if that That would be Tom, guys. It'd probably be one of the ghosts, actually, or Jacob Marley. Tom Allen could be, Bob Cratchit. Yeah, okay. This is not happening. I'm just saying, there's way too much detail. I'm just saying, you on the Western stage, email in if you buy a ticket to see Romesh Ranganathan as Ebenezer Scrooge.

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21:51By the way, can I just say,

21:52Romesh Ranganathan:that is, I'm not having a go at anybody that does this in particular, but you know when people post up, let me know where you'd want to come and see me perform. Stop doing that. Really? mate it's just sorry you post up where do you want to come and see you for it and then one person says County Durham and they go right who is doing that by the way loads of comics do it all the time oh yeah okay I just get told off to the places I'm not going on my tour the reason I'm not going is no one brought tickets the last time I went there can I but no but this is different this is going this is a spectacle like you could go on this morning and promote it I'd help out with some of that no I get I get the mechanics of it but you as Ebenezer Scrooge feels like an event but no hardly any costume changes because you're just in your nightie for most of it well that's not a that's not a thing you don't put that in the pitch it's not happening anyway I think we could put a good ensemble together I'd even probably it's up to you what we want me to do I could probably direct it but I could probably be in it as well okay great alright so bearing in mind you've not done a play you're now offering to direct one yeah because I know I know this story better than anyone else knows it literally it's so embedded in my soul.

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24:10Romesh Ranganathan:Tom yeah you're struggling to sleep yeah I'm having some sleep what's the problem I can't remember the last time I had a full night's sleep me neither anxiety what is a full night's sleep six five to six hours of just sleep you've never you've not had five to six hours of just sleep I can't remember probably not in the last four years certainly because I had five hours last night and I consider myself to be in an emergency situation now. I can't, yeah, but I can't remember the last time. So how many hours did you sleep last night? In a row. In the night? Without waking, and then for three or four hours.

24:43Romesh Ranganathan:Okay, if you're going to start to be a prick about it. So usually I'll go to... If you wake up to go to the toilet, that's your sleep. If I wake up... It doesn't break your sleep time. It does, because if I wake up to go to the toilet, I then want to lie in bed for three to four hours just laying there. That's a bit different. Without going back to sleep. I feel quite spiky to that. Maybe I should get more sleep. All right, go on. So how many hours did you get last night? So all in all, probably four and a half. Total? Yeah. What I mean is I can go to sleep really, really well. I'm great at going to sleep.

25:10That's my master thing. I'm so good at just falling asleep. But then I'll wake up to go to the toilet or Grace will wake me up.

25:17Romesh Ranganathan:Waking up to go to the toilet is quite... What you've got to do is you've got to go like that and then you walk. Do you sit down for a minute? No. I still stand. I mean, these are all such rookie errors. Yeah. Also, I know I look at my phone too much. You get your phone? No, I look at my phone too much close to when I go to bed. Okay, but you don't take your phone when you go to the toilet? No, but sometimes I will look at it. If I can't go see it, if I've laid it for 40 minutes. I know that you're looking at it every time now. Yeah. From the way that you responded. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So every time you wake up for a wee, you're looking at your phone.

25:46Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah. Insanity. Yeah. That is absolute insanity. Yeah, I've got an addiction. Just put your phone on the other side of the room. But where? And then it's got my alarm on it. How big is your room? I know your house is nice, but you better hear it from the other side of the room. I hear it, but then it's annoying if I want to put it onto a snooze or I've got to go across snooze. That's another thing. Get rid of snooze. Snooze is a fallacy. I was so good. My sleeping was good. Like, you know, in effect, I was getting up and getting into the gym. Why am I being so assertive with my mask? You have got, I like this side of you.

26:15Romesh Ranganathan:What's happening to me today? I like this side of you. I don't like this type of me. So, so let me try and help you. Why are you snoozing? Because usually, usually what happens is I wake up about, I usually go to sleep at about 10, 11. I wake up again at about 1. Then I'll wake to about 3, 4. Then I'll drift off about 4. And then my alarm goes off at 6. And then what? You'll snooze at 6? Yeah. And then Catherine usually wakes up, goes to the gym. Or Grace will come in at 6 and then just start chatting about life. But why are you snoozing? Because I need some more sleep. I just don't think snooze is good.

26:53Romesh Ranganathan:I'm anti-snooze. Yeah, I was before, but now I've fallen into a snooze addiction. I'm so obsessed with snoozing. Yeah. And like all of my, everything is off-kilter now. I'm not training as much. I'm not jumping in the ice bath as much. I'm not like fucking, a lot of the stuff that I put in place to make me more rounded and stronger. It's a bit like Iron Man if he sort of like forgot where he put his suit. Yeah. Well, he'd still be. I mean, Tony's not pretty good without the suit, though. He's not as good as he is. I mean, he's not as good in a comfort. conflict conflict what's going on with me conflict this is how i operate on five hours sleep this is how you're like you're tipped up yeah no five hours sleep for me in a row is a dream really i've had a great night's sleep yeah you should be getting eight yeah who's getting eight night eight hours a lot of people like who who how i think most people are getting between six and a half to eight i'd love you know what i and they are out there i'd love to get a sleep expert to talk to or just give us some advice i mean there's some things that you know you're getting wrong right yeah of course the phone thing i'm getting wrong but i always work well if someone from authority that i respect tells me off well i'm telling yeah we're friends okay shall i be your sleep expert then because i think i actually know quite a bit okay um like a therapy session well yeah sleep therapy session okay let's do it hey mate how are you uh i'm mickey uh hello there mickey um i'm dr sax please take a seat dr sax what's where's that from it's from mauritius oh cool never been would love to go one day sure uh you seem pretty energetic for some of these so what's exactly the problem with your sleeping well uh mr sax um i'm uh only really at the moment getting probably about three to four hours sleep a night that's a shame so talk me through your what's your sleep hygiene like uh well um i sometimes have a shower before no no no no no no that's a common misunderstanding that people make um sleep hygiene doesn't refer to how hygienic you are when you go to bed oh my bed sheets very good mickey um no actually i'm laughing but it's a it is actually a common misunderstanding uh by sleep hygiene i refer to how good your routine is before you're going to bed uh talk me through an average uh evening for mickey what is it sorry uh valance mickey valance you probably have heard of me i used to be a boxer no that's the word title fight when i was 22 does that keep you awake yeah free time anyway talk me through your uh sleep hygiene mickey um so um probably uh watch tv up until about nine o 'clock so far so good uh then i'll um maybe have like a chamomile tea sometimes great really like chamomile tea even though it does taste a bit like buttholes sometimes but um in what way it would taste like a bottle like cheesy bottle chamomile tastes like a cheesy butthole if you have had certain chamomiles you can taste a bit like a sweating you'd also have to have had certain cheesy buttholes in order to know no but I used to, like I said, I was around a lot of guys in the gym.

30:05And what did they do? No, you'd pick up someone's shorts and go.

30:08Romesh Ranganathan:And then taste them? No, smell them to see if they were yours. That's how you'd identify people's shorts at the gym? Yeah, it was a funny old place. Then I'd play with some cabaret tea. Then I would. No need to get emotional. Brush my teeth. Right. I'd probably do like 50 press-ups. And then get into bed, just check my social media. Oh. Oh. Sorry. First little problem. Okay. Checking social media. Right. Stop doing that. Why? Your bed needs to be a sanctuary for sleep. What do you mean by that? What you're currently doing is when you do any other activity, the obvious one. I live alone. My wife left me three years ago.

31:01Romesh Ranganathan:right I thought we got over it I'm only 26 but kind of feels like the end anyway so if I'm going to masturbate I don't even want to do it in the bed usually do it in the bathroom or some services that feels okay doesn't it it doesn't feel like the worst thing that's ever happened to anyone well I go to the services and do it you go to the services I get a kick out of the thing you go to the bathroom and the services rather than doing it at home in your bed yeah How close are the services to you? Like it's a five minute walk. So what will you do? You'll arouse yourself. And then will you be fully tumescent throughout the duration of the walk?

31:40Romesh Ranganathan:No, no, no, no. I usually just get there and I'll usually sort of have some food. Like a Burger King or a KC or sometimes I've got a Taco Bell there. And then I'll just go downstairs and do what I do. Have you tried not doing that? Yeah, I gave up for like a month. I kind of missed it. It's a big part of my social. I don't get to meet a lot of new people. Going to the service station toilets to wank was one of your social activities. Not the wanking, but like, not the wanking itself, just the interaction with the people who work at a fast food place. Does any part of you think that maybe the reason you're staying awake is because you suspect some of them might know what you're going there for?

32:22Romesh Ranganathan:No, I'm pretty sneaky when it comes to estimating the services. I don't think anyone knows what I'm doing. I mean, a lot of people sort of say male podcasts are getting bass, but we've dodged that bullet by talking about both shitting and wanking in one episode.

32:41Romesh Ranganathan:What do you want to do? Do you want to do a role play about farts now?

32:50It was a complex. As a therapist, I was sort of giving you something to delve a little bit deeper.

32:56Romesh Ranganathan:Anyway, you shouldn't be looking in your phone in bed. I won't do it again. Yeah. Thank you. The bed needs to be a sleep sanctuary. Yeah. The only thing you do in bed is sleep. Mm-hmm. Okay. Yeah. What's happening now is your brain is getting associated. It's associated in the bed with other things. What about looking at my watch? How often are you looking at your watch in bed? If I wake up... Do you wear your watch to bed? No, I have it by the side of the bed. I wake up and go... Oh. Yeah, that's fine. Okay. sometimes uh i'll like make a sandwich at night and sort of sit and eat in bed don't do that anymore okay so literally just sleeping in there yeah okay yeah yeah nothing apart from okay cool thank you dr sax yeah do you think when we do these role plays you know what i feel like i feel like the initial premise feels good and then we're just trapped aren't we yeah we're in a prison When you watch sketches, they've obviously worked towards a final punchline.

33:54Romesh Ranganathan:What we've got is the initial... I mean, I can't bring myself to say and scene every time. It's fucking insane. I mean, if I hadn't have stopped that then, this would have been the whole thing. Yeah, I mean, I'd have done it. Because you don't ever bail. I'm in character, though. I know, but at some point you've got to go, it's time to fucking pull the parachute. I'd have left it as Mickey. Until you called scene, I'd have been him. that's how I am I'm not I can't be half in half out if I'm in I'm in yeah okay alright well good luck with your slate do you hear that sounds like breakfast is ready because Quaker's coming in hot with morning nutrition 100 % whole grain oats and a good source of fibre to fuel the rhythm of your morning and kickstart your day and that sounds absolutely Absolutely delicious.

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35:19Romesh Ranganathan:well nothing really that interesting although the boys are I'm sort of reluctant to talk about the personal but you know I talked about we talked about parenting and yep yep yep the boys have all got girlfriends what all three of them yeah wow the problem I'm facing is that you're literally by the way now that they've all got girlfriends and stuff you're tiptoeing into becoming like a dynasty how do you mean well you know they're all getting girlfriends it's like yeah they're going to bring their family I was saying to Lisa what would be really cool I said to her imagine if say it might not be this girl but Theo decides to get married and we go to his wedding and it's like a really I said to Lisa imagine how proud you feel as you see your son sort of declare his love for his wife and then you get the opportunity to grind on him like Victoria Beckham that seems to be the new tradition by the way I think that's an old tradition I know this is probably going to be what grinding up on the no I think that she's just had a couple too many wines and she's just turning around I mean this is going to be quite old hat by the time this goes out but she was just drunk and just going come on come and have a dance for your mum come and have a dance for your old mum it's been happening since dancing was invented yeah probably happened that Jesus is 21st we think Mary said come and have a dance for your old mum and tell me who was it that Jesus married again?

36:48Romesh Ranganathan:Mary Magdalene no? Did he? I think so I think they were yeah they were definitely going out together it's quite serious Jesus and Mary Magdalene were going out together I think so yeah it's quite serious from what I remember yeah okay fine let's move on fucking hell so hold up so they all got there yeah so anyway it hasn't happened yet but what I'm nervous about is we are now moving into an era of me being sort of the least experienced with women in the house no can I also say you're moving to an era because certainly Theo will want to bring her back. He already has done. What? Oh, how can you say this story without starting...

37:23Alright, I need to know everything. Were you there?

37:26Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah. Oh my, how did you play it? Well, I already knew her, so it's not really... What do you mean you already knew her? Because they go to the same thing. I'd met her before. I know her. Did you know they could potentially become romantic? Did you go to Theo? She is, she's, I'll tell you something, she's a cracker that one. I'm certainly not, I'm absolutely never, ever going to do that, no. She's a lovely girl, that one. She's a really sweet girl. That's the kind of gal that I'd like to see you bring home. No, I didn't say any of that. Okay, so how did you roll? No, I kept my nose out of it. And then just one day, I just said hello.

38:02Romesh Ranganathan:Did you play at Call Dad? Be honest now. Just be honest, because the listeners deserve that. did you play it cool? It's just a bit I was a bit like flustered What did you wear for a start? What do you mean what did I wear? I'm in my fucking house Yeah but you put a shirt and trousers What's going on with me today? Did you put a shirt and trousers on? No Okay T-shirt We weren't having dinner together they just came back to hang out so it wasn't like even my tone in my voice there was like You've got a vibe to you What's going on now? I don't know I think you're a bit depressed Hold on can we just try This is why we started talking No, no, I need to chill myself out.

38:42Romesh Ranganathan:This is bad. I'm not like my tone on any of this. But you've got a vibe about you. You can't hide that vibe. No, but I don't like it. We're going to get complaints. People are going to say I'm bullying you. By the way... I can hear... Can you hear it? Can I just say the bullying thing is... Tom, can you hear it in my voice? I've spent most of my life getting bullied. This is my favourite version of it. Okay, I'll tell you what I'm going to do for the rest of the episode. How long have we got the rest of the episode? How long have we got? Do you know what? About two minutes. I think what we need to do, I think we need to take a moment.

39:14I think we need something to take you away from this, to take your head to another place. I've actually got a little something for you, a gift, because actually I might cheer you up. Okay, go on.

39:25Romesh Ranganathan:You've got a gift? Yeah. Fuck off. What? The hot chip challenge? Yeah. Are you mental? No, I think it's great. Have you got one for yourself? No, it's just for you. Why have you got me this? I'm supposed to... This is a lovely gift. That's not a lovely gift. That's a really nice gift. Well, I'm not going to eat it now. What do you mean you're not going to eat it now? I've just... Can I just say, I've just told you I'm really stressed out and you've got this. I think it's a nice present to take your mind off things. All right, should we do half each? Yeah, I'll do half with you. Okay, I think we just have a little tiny nibble.

40:00Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah. Right, can you take it out? I feel like when you're a kid and you're at a nightclub. Why have you got this, by the way? I just thought it'd be fun. Oh, it's happening again. I'm supposed to chill out. okay hold on let me try again oh thanks for doing this man that's okay it's really sweet let's try a little bit do you want to bite first or second I'll go second okay I just want to see what size bite you're going for you've just got to go in haven't you I didn't buy this I didn't want to do this

40:33Jesus I know you've got to see who can go longest without having a drink

40:45oh my god that is hot you find it hot i'm sweating so far i don't mind it are you joking you could probably eat the whole thing then no don't try and fuck me up you're just oh my god you i'm this is not like i'm literally in a fight with like i actually think it's i'm actually i've only had a little bit how much did i have Oh my God. How are you not?

41:09Romesh Ranganathan:I'm sure I'm just waiting for it to really...

41:14I have so much respect for you.

41:16Romesh Ranganathan:I'm pretty chilled about it. Really? Oh, hold on a sec. Jesus. It sort of builds though, doesn't it? Yeah. Jesus Christ. How's that? Do you know what? It's actually not as bad as I thought it was going to be. I don't think I could eat the whole one though. My mouth is numb. that's massively backfired on me like i literally thought that would be so much i don't know why i even bothered having a bite that's literally fucked me up so badly my cheeks are sweating i literally am like my cheeks are so sweaty oh god oh my lord how are you not reacting it's how much did you eat and how much did i eat let's have a look you must have had more than one

42:10I think you need another bite alright

42:16now I've had more than you yeah you definitely have more than me now oh god my nose is streaming maybe you didn't have a bit with much spice on it is that genuinely not affecting you it is hot yeah Oh my god. I literally need a shit straight away. I'm not even joking. That has gone straight to my tummy. Oh my gosh.

42:45I literally brought that to fuck with you. And I thought, I've had one before. I thought I'd have some sort of immunity. And that has absolutely fucked my...

42:59I'm now, I mean, yeah. It is hot though. Yeah, I know it's fucking... What do you mean to say, like, you've got to convince me? I'm not sure. Have you had some milk? Yeah, I've drunk that whole milk. Downed it. Oh, God.

43:12Romesh Ranganathan:What was I even drinking?

43:16Romesh Ranganathan:Thanks so much for bringing that. Tom, could you do us the honours of taking us out? Life is full of challenges. Sometimes it's a challenge you set yourself, or sometimes it's one that you set other people. it's always worth knowing your limitations in life even when you're doing something that you might have done before and thought actually i don't remember it being that bad but it is worse than you imagined um god my glasses are so steamed up i'm literally in bits

43:53always think responsibly what have you got and what is there to gain from challenging yourself and if it isn't something that will change your financial circumstance and your family's livelihoods then probably just leave it behind thank you for listening god oh my I'm literally in bits

44:13Romesh Ranganathan:this has been the Wolf and Al podcast thank you so much for listening and watching I'm sweating wolfalpod at gmail.com for any emails queries pictures stories anything you like yeah Peace!

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