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21:53Romesh Ranganathan:Good energy in. Good energy out.

22:02Romesh Ranganathan:storm zero sugar 200 milligrams of caffeine and immunity support storm energy for life i'm saying you know i just watched i didn't watch it i saw the clips of soccer ride and saw tom hiddleston was in it yeah he's very much become the new king of soccer ride yeah he's sort of very much that's become his well i mean can we talk about this Arsenal have won the league yeah shout out Arsenal can I say by the way I had no animosity there's a lot of animosity towards Arsenal I will say there's a number of people who seem to have jumped on the bandwagon but you know I had this there's a lot of anger about that and I'm like the world is a very sad place at the moment and if someone finds a little bit of happiness by putting on an Arsenal shirt and celebrating I don't think that should be any animosity so are you now talking about because you're quite annoyed that people have jumped on the Arsenal bandwagon I'm not really annoyed about it I just find it Well, when you came in today, you said, who are all these c***s that are Sunday Arsenal fans?

22:59You, by the way, do this thing, right? Where you turn around to me and say, oh, you know, that's not how it went down. It didn't sound like that. And then you do this and people go, oh, I can't believe you said that, Tom, about Arsenal. No, you didn't say that. But there's been... Yeah, no, but it's an outcry. So there's a part of me thinks, if you're not a football fan and you have now seen this, what has been quite an incredible outpouring of joy, I think, and otherwise what has been quite a joyless year, so far yeah I think why not just go along and celebrate but also I think I don't quite understand the the kicking Arsenal getting from like there's this awful thing about Laura Woods that a journalist had written and I was like you know about everyone on the on the panel on TNT being Arsenal fans or supporting the English team I was like but I remember watching Man United in the Champions League final when they did the treble and everyone so if no one was there was no one on that going well i hope bang unit win everyone was let's support you i thought that was a time and

23:56Romesh Ranganathan:place where we kind of did that and i i know that i think it's partly because arsenal kind of i think also got a lot of celeb fans yeah which makes them less endearing yeah in truth i think we've got a couple of you know there's a really massive helmet that supports them in piers morgan yeah right so that makes them less popular. And then they play a certain brand of football that people don't find that appealing. Yeah, but can I say that when you weren't playing that brand of football and you were playing the brand of football that was a lot more open and entertaining and great, everyone was like, oh, they're great to watch, but they'll never win anything.

24:31I know, but they weren't getting the level of hate there. No, but Man United had this. But if you go back, Man United had this, I think because social media obviously plays a part, Man United was the first team that, you know, in my lifetime, obviously Liverpool, but I was a bit young for that. Man United dominated. Everyone hated United. City, I think, have had that to an extent. I think Pep's kind of saved them a little bit because I think everyone realises what an attribute Pep Guardiola has been for the Premier League. But I think when it comes to this hatred for Arsenal, people are seething with it.

25:05Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah. Yeah, and I sort of don't mind it as an Arsenal fan. I kind of, I don't really, if people, I quite like it actually. I prefer to be hated and be an amazing team that are in Champions League finals than to be regarded as like sympathy because you've been relegated. Let's talk about this a little bit. Yes. You're one of the worst things that could possibly happen to a football team. Yeah, maybe. Except for what, fingers crossed, is going to happen to City, right? Is that you got relegated. Yeah. How are you feeling? I will say that I actually, I think in a sense, it might sound a bit insane.

25:43I think it's awful. to an extent. I actually don't think it's the worst thing in the world on the basis that I think there needs to be like a big change at the club. I think there needs to be other, you know, hopefully this means that we can get a new ownership in. Also means that we can get rid of a lot of players who are on extortionate money and start, I think, actually start bringing through a few younger players. So you're excited? Yeah, because, I mean, there's nothing you can do about it. And I think, I sort of watched some really aggressive sort of videos and stuff and I think to myself there's very little I made my piece with just sitting in the stands and shouting really loudly drunk was not really going to have a mass effect on whether we won leagues or I mean if that was the case West Ham would have won everything as you've been but you have no control over that you've got to go with the and I think we were rightly relegated I think we weren't very good side and we haven't been for the last few years so So it is what it is.

26:46I actually kind of, you know, I'm looking forward to sort of not getting absolutely pumped or actually a season without VAR is going to be absolutely a dream.

26:55Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah. I was gutted that Spurs didn't get relegated. Yeah. That was the only thing. It's sad that Spurs didn't go down. Any Spurs fans watching or listening, I wanted your team to get relegated from the bottom of my heart. I wanted to see you go down. But it wasn't to happen. when I like when Arsenal won the league which is like amazing obviously loved it loved it and like it was great for the kids and all that the amount of abuse I got like first of all from people saying since when were you an Arsenal fan but that's the same thing secondly people going why are you even an Arsenal fan it doesn't make any sense I got messages like that after it happened and it sort of occurred to me that that is just what happens when if you support a rival team yeah and then you see somebody that supposedly supports the team that's won and you don't like them then like there's like a an anger in you that like you're trying to get you're trying to get rid of do you know what i mean like i think like with football it brings out this kind of but don't you think this is the thing where i think when it comes to that right it's like so i watched all these videos of arsenal fans crying when you won the league yeah arsenal fans crying when you lost the champions league final west ham fans sobbing when they you know went down uh and then say you go to a funeral, right, and you stand in a funeral and you look around, and the same men that have maybe lost a family member or a friend will be standing there stonewalled.

28:20They won't be crying because they don't kind of know how to deal with that emotion. They know if their football team is successful or unsuccessful. They know almost that within a group, they can release that as a valve that's almost not frowned upon in society to go, oh, I'm just going to cry now. I can cry. Like there's guys that I was watching, you know the West Ham game and I'm like fucking hell man like you know this might be about a little bit more than your football team getting relegated

28:45Romesh Ranganathan:I do think it is I do think it's more than that I am I took Theo and Alex to the Champions League final that must have been amazing so first of all big shout out to TNT for inviting me out yeah shout out to TNT so I said to Alex and Theo we're going to the Champions League final they're buzzing right Alex in particular I mean they're both all my kids are Arsenal fans but Alex in particular Alex is incredibly Alex is very much reminiscent of what I was like at his age yeah he's hardcore yeah he's a much bigger Arsenal fan than I am yeah proper hardcore but I was like that yeah when I was younger so he's buzzing there is something about your and your you know obviously little G's like little yeah can I say by the way football wise pride so we play she started playing a little football tournament yeah plays football on a Saturday and the other day I was like look you really need to if you don't want to play this we won't come but if you want to play and she was like i want to play football as you need to come in and play the games so she's like can you come and stand by the side of the pitch and because it's a lot the other girl's like two or three years older yeah so it's like okay and then she played and she scored like two goals and her team won this little tournament and i was like i was genuinely willing up and she was coming over to me i'll show you the pictures and like little set goal celebrations that she'd been watching yeah and i was like oh my god this is this is insane like your little girl's so into of football yeah when are we going back when are we going back I was like even now I feel quite emotional about it yeah I was a real football dad by the way there was other dads who were like kicker get the ball off Grace get the ball I'm like your daughter's three years older the King Gary and me came up I'm already seeing little signs now that you're going to be a problem on the sidelines yeah no doubt I will anyhow anyhow the boys were so excited to go that it made me nervous so we're flying out to Budapest on the morning of the game yeah Lisa and Charlie staying in England yeah I couldn't get the boarding passes printed off before I went to the airport I don't know who's getting boarding passes printed off sorry not printed off downloaded so I couldn't get the boarding passes downloaded onto my phone so then I'm like fuck so then I'm on the way to the airport and like if I was going on my own if I got like I'm very chilled about something that happens to me so if I go to if I go there and they go you can't get on this flight I go, okay, I'll watch it.

31:07Romesh Ranganathan:You know, like, I'll be disappointed, but whatever. Because it was the boys, the pressure that I was feeling, I want to deliver a great experience for my kids. So, like, we're going to the airport, and I'm almost ruining our journey to the airport because I'm so anxious about, I'm worried that I'm going to get there and they're going to go, sorry, you're not checking. And you booked the flights, so that come through TNT? They'd been booked through the thing, and then, like, you had to check in via the app. And because it was, like, really complicated, because I was doing multiple passengers, it was a bit funky.

31:35Romesh Ranganathan:so I thought I checked in but I couldn't get a boarding pass onto my phone so I'm turning up thinking this is the morning of the game there's no way I'm going to get another flight and the lease was going to be wrong you've checked it like I don't know what you're worrying about we've done this loads yeah but if I'd been on my own I wouldn't have cared but it's not we're in a taxi on the way to the airport and like we're walking and Alex goes are you alright my kid is saying this to me what the fuck is wrong with me man so I go so I go yeah I'm just a bit worried because I couldn't like check in on the thing so I'm just a bit nervous because I want you guys to and he goes but you've got the boarding pass on your phone like he hadn't understood the story and I go no I haven't been able to and he went oh and the way he said oh I was like oh god he's now worried Theo by the way the coolest if I tell you Theo absolute textbook Theo Ranganathan behaviour yeah we're all coming up and he goes what are you worried about I said the borderline he goes dad this is how we do it every time why do you think it's going to be different today wow because you're just going to go up there and go and he goes and then we're going to get on the plane and I was like yep yeah it's probably right Theo mate I'll make it right Sam yeah anyway just chill yeah just chill yeah holding your face listen yeah This ain't your first rodeo, son.

33:03It's going to be fine, buddy, boy. Okay, thanks for having me. Cheers.

33:09Romesh Ranganathan:Anyway, it was totally fine. Can I say, by the way, also, single dad in. Yeah. Yeah. How was that? Because they're old enough now, right? They're old enough, but we got to Budapest. We flew with Beckett, and we got there. I can imagine, by the way, Beckett's a great flight company. Yeah, he's good, yeah. I mean, he's asleep for a lot of them. Was he? yeah I always thought Becky would be a great flight company no he is but he slept that's still good company I like to watch him with his eyes closed so we get there our flight was on the tarmac for an hour and a half before leaving why so we're delayed I don't know a lot of flights going on so we're delayed we land and we've got to go straight to do an interview yeah go and do the interview do boys go with you yeah oh amazing go back to the hotel go to the hotel check in and there was like a little cocktail thing beforehand and then we go to the game Go to the little cocktail thing.

34:01Romesh Ranganathan:The food there is for people, like for adults, aspirational grown-ups, right? Who want to feel like they're a fancy thing. Prawns, all that, you know, like little kind of caprese kind of cups and all that shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, Theo and Alex, they don't fucking, they wouldn't like that. Yeah, of course not. I'd tell them, before football. Yeah. I'd go, read the room, mate. Hey, read the room. So we go to that. Get some pizzas in here. Go down to the ground, do another pitch side interview with Laura Woods. Then we go... Shout out, by the way, Laura Woods, I think one of the best sports presenters in the world.

34:34She's incredible.

34:35Romesh Ranganathan:Fantastic. Every sport, by the way. Every sport. Mate, have you seen her stuff on Kabaddi? I haven't seen her stuff on Kabaddi. Unbelievable. I can imagine, imagine. But, yeah. What she knows about Tamil Nadu... Really? No. Oh, okay. I wouldn't be shocked with Laura Woods. Kabad, kabad, kabad, kabad, kabad. I'd love us to play Kabaddi. She's one of the best read. Like, she literally does all her research. Shout out, Laura Woods. Yeah, shout out, Laura Woods. And a gooner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. but regardless of that. Anyway, so I go to the box. They've got fancy food in the box. Yeah. Again, the boys don't want any of it, right?

35:06Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah. There's some breadsticks. I'm starting to get nervous now because it's quite hot. Yeah. It's been a long day. We got the float. You were on the booze as well. I was absolutely fucking wankered. The kids are coming up to me. I don't know. Yeah, shut up, boys. I don't know. No. Burn a, burn a cannon. Let fire with one of your banter lines. It sounded like you almost went for the Flintstones team team there.

35:33Romesh Ranganathan:Anyway, so they didn't like any of the food, right? Yeah. And so they had breadsticks. So I'm getting them to eat breadsticks, right? Fucking hell, what a bleak thought. I know. The biggest game of football of the year, and you're going, just have a fucking breadstick, man. No, because they didn't want any of the... Have a breadstick. Theo, eat one of them. They're nutritious, boy. They didn't want any of the food. Of course. But that was... I'm going to say, by the way, corporate, like that side of football, I'm like it's not changed just give everyone pie and mash I know and also just fucking just have a bucket of chicken nuggets and chips you know what I mean like anyway so the boys don't eat anything apart from like seven breadsticks a piece right so then the game finishes they had some after party stuff going on or drinks all like wrapped I just said the boys go we want to go back to the hotel go back to the hotel at this point the boys since we've got up I've got the boys we've got the boys breakfast at Gatwick yeah then they've had seven breadsticks right so now I'm starting to get a bit nervous at how much these boys have eaten but Rom it's Lisa of the boys eaten I really don't like you always go to that voice when you impersonate Lisa no why because it's my woman voice for Lisa Lisa's I know she yeah she's showing me Lisa's voice now oh for fuck's sake that's not that far away Rom I can't do a Lisa impersonation yeah it's hard to do Can you do a cat impersonation?

36:57Cat, well, she's a bit more like that, I guess. She's a bit more, I don't know. No, go on. Not without really offending the woman I love most in the world. Anyhow, she calls and she's like, have you fed the boys? No, no, no.

37:08Romesh Ranganathan:Lisa's very chilled out about that. She's a chill, by the way, I can tell you this. When I saw her, I was like, oh, you're so chilled. Yeah. So Lisa's very relaxed. She's not even asking me what the boys have eaten. She's just like, you know, she's not. You got this. Can't be little does she know that they've just had some breadsticks. I know. I get back to the hotel. I say don't worry about it I'll get you some room service I phone up room service closed what can I say there was a time you stayed in a hotel the room service was 24-7 no no those days are gone yeah what is that I don't know some hotels you go to yeah 10 o 'clock finish can I just say what happened to the night chef do you know what I mean that's a job there for someone it's a fucking joke mate by the way all anyone wants for room service after 10 o 'clock is deep fried shit yeah deep fried shit and a brass that's all you want late night oh my god such a bleak Russell Brand like you and your boys at the football oh I know you've lost your game but I've got a little treat meet Alana oh dad this is tragic shush for you so she's just gonna sit in the corner and brush my hair no room service I'll say to the boys oh my god that they have age as well nutrition is important they go don't worry dad we'll just have some crisps and go to sleep so now I've got by the way both the spirits are dropped right yeah especially Alex yeah the biggest yeah so they've watched biggest game of their lives they've watched Arsenal lose biggest game of their lives breakfast seven breadsticks bag of crisps I mean yeah the next morning yeah I wake up and I think this is unacceptable yeah by the way I might be wrong in assuming this knowing you like I think you've had a few beers in you i'd like two beers for two beers in you i know your anxiety and i know how your neurosis is i don't think you'd have slept much just on a basis not even the losing the game but the thought of your boys not eating and that level of it fucked me up i can imagine the neurosis of how your mind works is like can i i'm not a very good dad can i get mate this isn't good fathering i text lisa the words i've got my phone i text lisa the words i don't think I'm a very good dad.

39:23Even though you've literally given your boys an experience they'll remember for the rest of their lives. They'll literally turn around to their kids and go, I remember we went to the Champions League final with dad. It was an amazing day. Yeah, we lost, but what a game.

39:36Romesh Ranganathan:So the next morning, I'm freaking out, right? I don't want my boys to be hungry. They've had a bad eating day yesterday, so I just want to treat them. They're asleep. They're absolutely knackered because they had such a month's a day. I go into delivery Yeah. There's no delivery in Budapest. I go into Uber Eats. There's no Uber Eats in Budapest. Room service is still closed. Room service is not... Basically, I looked at room service. By the way, European breakfast can eat my ass. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's a weird way of phrasing it, but I agree with the sentiment. I end up downloading a Hungarian delivery app.

40:16Romesh Ranganathan:Oh, yeah. And then I... Alex loves McDonald's. Yeah. I order about three tons of McDonald's, right? Wow. The boys are still asleep. Yeah. I go downstairs, wait for the McDonald's, come upstairs, open the door. Boys, got you some McDonald's. The look on their faces, it was like, you know, when Frodo's sitting on the bed at the end of Lord of the Rings and Gandalf walks in. Yeah, yeah. Wow. What a moment. It felt incredible. What a moment. Sat there, by the way, bed picnic. Yeah, bed picnic. We all had a big bed picnic. You can't beat a bed picnic. Luckily, really fancy the McPlant. Unfortunately, there are no vegetable burgers in Hungarian McDonald's.

41:01Romesh Ranganathan:Did Alana eat? Alana ate what she was given, which was whatever fries fell off the bed. What did you eat then? I just had a portion of fries. Tragic, isn't it? Sad. Yeah, but you know what? Your boys ate well. Loved it. I had a thing with we had a screening of this thing I've done Ladies First I watched it by the way I watched it on the plane on the way back from Budapest congratulations do you know what I still it's still a novelty to me that my friend's in films well yeah I mean a little bit what do you mean oh it's yeah he was his brother yeah his brother-in-law I mean that's that's how much we know his brother-in-law sorry his brother-in-law that he had an accident or something that's why you like that in the film right yeah yeah yeah which is yeah racing eyebrows yeah but we went to the premiere screening of this and uh no one was around to go with me so lou from off the curb lovely lou stepped in she was like lou was i'll come i'll give you i get very nervous social anxiety about these things yeah i find them very pictures and all that yeah it's not my vibe uh so lou comes along as is amanda and what's she mainly doing to make sure you don't do the Tars and Fury thing.

42:16You know, three fucking guys joked about that. Because obviously that's become a thing that we've talked about. Free of the camera guys. So we go along and Amanda Emery, lovely Amanda comes as well. And Jim, Jim came along to watch. Jim? Yeah, yeah. They gave me tickets and I was like, I've got a ticket, do you want to come and watch this, Jim? And Jim was like, yeah.

42:36Romesh Ranganathan:Why have you become such good mates? You've got to play golf with Jim. Why wouldn't you be good friends with Jim? Yeah, I like Jim, but I've never socialised with him. Well, this is me. I socialise with him. I'm sniffing about John at the moment. Yeah, okay. You know, that's how lonely I am. Well, what a big... No, I don't mean like that, but I'm lonely. Yeah, okay. All right, cool. I mean, I was like literally, I was, yeah. Anyway, Lou, so we're there and there's a guy and he had sort of like hors d 'oeuvres or whatever you call them and he had these prawn ones and he's carrying them around at bum height.

43:11so he's sort of carrying them around quite low and he's walking past people's arses with these prawns and Lou picked one out and had one and I said, jeez Lou, like you and she was like, what do you mean? I said, look where he's holding the tray and then What do you think's happening out of people's arses? Farts It's all farts on prawns, you're up for it I just think it's an insane farts, coughs Do you know what I mean? There's more smelly gases down there No, okay, fair enough It's an insane thing to carry a tray not like that's why they carry them like that usually he's like that he's just holding them like that um and poor lou was just oh my god i didn't think about that i was like yeah yeah why would you yeah yeah i mean i said that's a belly bomb you don't know what's gonna happen there you could that could that could come back to you haunt you so poor lou was yeah she was quite worried about it so i but i'm like they were weird little is that the end of the story yeah

44:02Romesh Ranganathan:she was fine that's the story about you going to see ladies first is that they're carrying the little volavants at arse high. Oh, yeah. I mean, look, the film's good. I think it's a good film. It's a fun thing. Rosamund Pike, by the way, absolute legend. Rosamund Pike's incredible, right? She's amazing. Can I say, we chatted about you. Your name was, two or three conversations about you while I was there. With Rosamund Pike? One with Rosamund Pike, yeah. Who was that? Rosamund. One was with Gabby Roslin. Right. Another one, I can't remember who I was talking to. I think it was someone who overheard me and Gabby Roslin talking about how amazing you are.

44:34Can I just say, if you were a hype man, if I go to things I often speak about how much I adore you and what an incredible person you are

44:42Romesh Ranganathan:well I've heard you on a couple of interviews recently really nice yeah because that's what I believe I've got to this point in my life I try not to mention you what do you mean yeah you know I don't need that no I don't need you to feel like you have to do that I get asked about you quite a lot and when people ask me I tell them what exactly yeah I know you created a news story about traitors was that for the King's Trust? yeah how's that going with the King's Trust? good, I had to do stand up in front of I saw you giving Ant and Dec a bit was that that? yeah that was terrifying I had to follow the King I kept on getting pushed bumps back in the order they said alright we're coming to the end of the night but we still want you to go on so the King's going to say a few words and then we'll just bring you on to do your stand up are you following the King?

45:34at his essentially the 50th birthday of the king's trust and also by the way not doing my material it was material i'd written for i'd written with shout out dan beckett we'd written this uh this bit a five minute set for this event so i was like oh my gosh this is it's not when you've got to try and remember it all and number two you're then in a story where you follow it like essentially the king speaks and the night's over and then they were we're just going to squeeze between the King and then... Carriages. Rod Stewart and Ronnie Wood and Jules Holland are going to do a medley of songs. And I thought this was such an anti-climax for everyone.

46:15Did it go right? It went okay, yeah. I mean... What was your opener? The Ant and Dick bit about Jimmy Bullard. Oh, yeah. And then I likened the King's Trust to what the King's Trust has achieved and what I've achieved. It's very self-deprecating. and I mean I had a few other jokes that have not been able to make the cut I'll show you them one

46:37Romesh Ranganathan:day if you want to see them yeah I'd love yeah I guess a private session is what you're is that what you're getting at oh just go into your house and show that you and the boys yeah cool cool it's very cool though it's a very cool thing to do yeah yeah it's good well do you know actually we had a um we had a lad who did my the first year we did the course who joined the course and was kind of lost in the world and quite lost and hadn't done very well at school and didn't really know what we wanted to do and we spent a year mentoring him and he's now just got us like he's doing a um master's in screenwriting and he's had some poems um putting but like uh published it's isn't quite it's quite i found that quite humbling it just shows you how easy it actually is isn't it uh okay no that's really about it i didn't expect you to be yeah that's a really amazing story i mean and you're doing and in all seriousness you're doing great work yeah yeah Can you do a closer, please?

47:29Of course.

47:32Poo sticks. Break off a colored branches of the same tree and throw them in a river. Let the river take them upon its waves. We've got its current as they're blasted away under bridges, under cousin trees, till they hit the sea, the turbulent sea, where they're tossed left and right. One twig goes one way, the other twig goes another. One finds itself on foreign shores. Calais, maybe. The other one finds itself in the banks of the Tyne in Newcastle. Alas, alas, these twigs, will they see each other again? I just realized this is stick, man.

48:17Romesh Ranganathan:Are these sticks immigrants? No, no, no, no. both sticks just land on a beach one makes a friend with a cat crab the other with a other thing that you find on a beach with a bag of crisps but often they miss each other the trouble about things is and life is sometimes you get pulled away from the thing you love the most and sometimes you build life around it one becomes a mast in a sandcastle, the other one becomes a scratchy stick for an old man called Clive Tulsa. Both of them often think of each other. Well, I see him again. Then a big storm comes and some wind picks up the stick from the sandcastle and blows it across the English Channel.

49:05It catches the wind and spirals all the way to Newcastle, where the old man scratching his back is like, I've got an itchy leg too. I wish I could find another stick. And as he looks down, he sees this other stick. He picks it up and starts scratching his leg. Then he puts the two sticks down upon his table as he goes to bed. One stick lets the other stick and goes, hmm, we meet again, old friend. And the truth about life is sometimes you can be pulled away from the things you love the most. But if you're truly meant to be together, you'll come back to each other.

49:41Romesh Ranganathan:so this man he has specialistic so he won't ever use the one on his back for his leg no no because obviously yeah you don't use this yeah I mean he could know he's doing it at the same time he can't do it oh okay yeah I mean essentially as I started doing it I realised it was the whole basis of Stickman Stickman's quite really sad isn't it anyway no spoilers he's a happy ending yeah happy ending yeah and actually he goes on a life mission yeah have you seen the sequel is that forest fire anyway thank you so much for watching and listening to the wolf and owl podcast so next time we see you will be the email special wolfowlpod at gmail.com if you'd like to contribute bye thanks friends