S4 Ep 29: Boxing Bants & AI Podcasts

28:25Romesh Ranganathan:status i want to be i want to be seriously because i feel a bit guilty that i've been a prick so i yeah i'm just doing it for shits and giggles but the the i actually think it's really good man that you're doing that and i feel bad for you that prince seemed to that because it's out of order but like i think it's good it's wicked man it's like like you know you always like bigging me up about like doing the hip-hop stuff and doing the rap album this is like this is your hip-hop can i just be really really transparent here because and you're doing a nice thing right Like, you talking about hip-hop is incredible.

28:59You have podcasts, you're fucking informative. What I've done, right, is number one, I've shown myself to be, you know, the bottom of the right. Look, it was interesting. I was like, you know, I was watching other people do it who I was like, oh, fucking hell, they're mustard at it. No, don't get me wrong. Like, this isn't me going, oh, you know, poor man. I'll try things, and if I get it right, I get it right. You can't compare your podcast and your radio show when you go into an in-depth chat and chat to someone and you've had incredible people from 50 Cent to LL Cool J, some of the biggest names in the game.

29:34Well, you're amazing at talking to me, turning around to Gordon Ramsay and going, Adam, mate, who do you think is going to win the fight tonight? No, no, no.

29:40Romesh Ranganathan:But I think you're doing yourself a disservice. Because you're saying, OK, I'm going to tell you this. This is not me having a go at this person, right? because I get where they're coming from. But I've had conversations like you've had with Prince and C. That happens to me all the time on For the Love of Hip Hop. Like, you know, like what you're hearing on the radio is like the final interview. I get mugged off by rappers all the time. They don't give me shit. Mate, all the time. Like some of them are really nice, but some of them are like, so well, where the fuck is this? What's this for? I like fucking Denzel Curry, who I love, walked into the room.

30:19Romesh Ranganathan:I went to his, where he was doing a concert and he walked in and he said to his PR in front of me, how many of these have I got to do? I'm opposite him. Right. And then he sits down and goes, let's get on with it then. And then I have that Lupe Fiasco, who I love. You hear the, I've interviewed him twice on For the Love of It, but he got on the Zoom and he goes, when does this go out? And I go, guys, that next week. And he goes, well, my London show's tomorrow. And I go, well, I said, the show's not till next week. He goes, okay, well i guess i'll do it just let's just do it then shall i and then i'm like um oh oh oh lupe i love you then i'm like i'm doing what you did so like it's it's the same it's like that's what i'm saying that's why i empathize with this prince and sing thing because like you go into i'll go to as a comedian right going i mean mate what about fucking when nazi's fucking management treating me like a fucking absolutely like it happens like because the problem is is like you go into this other thing and they don't give a like you know and why should they but they don't give a shit like there's just some guy has come up to them and they don't know and he's going um you know like they don't even know if you're official do you know for all they know you're some little prick that's trying to well i mean design put a badge on me and gave me a microphone it's easy it's easy to get a design badge do you know i'm imagine they let you keep one for being there on the day did they no no no there was a lot of talk as well about this amazing jacket that rob beckett was gifted he rob beckett got an undisputed jacket from the zone uh as as a guest it was a beautiful jacket it's one of those videos with dubois didn't he yeah yeah yeah you were both kind of moving into that world now aren't you what it is what boxing yeah yeah i mean yeah he's probably more highbrow he's doing some really fucking high-end vts I'm scrabbling around on the red carpet looking, yeah.

32:08Romesh Ranganathan:No, I'm not having this. You did great work, man. I mean, look, I didn't watch any of it because I couldn't bring myself to watch a friend be humiliated like that. But I... I think you're...

32:25Just while I'm left with this little shred of dignity, sort of, let's just... Just holding on to that. What was your week like, my friend?

32:33Romesh Ranganathan:what have you been up to well i've spent the week uh filming the weakest link so i was in glasgow i was in glasgow and um every year i go up to glasgow for like a week or whatever just over a week and then we film up do all the weeks link episodes and uh i mean it's such a mad like it's mad because there's so many guests on it the team up in glasgow are incredible it's the first time i've done a run on the weakest link where i haven't drunk at all right so when you do it like you get obviously you do a couple of dinners with the team and stuff like that and then you know you're you're sort of pretty much doing like maybe there's three or four dinners and then at the end of the at the end of the series you have a wrap party yeah and i didn't drink at the wrap party i had to fly back at seven o 'clock this morning and um mate the difference in waking up this morning remembering what's happened at the wrap party I don't feel hung over I actually feel hydrated because I was just drinking non-alcoholic beverages the whole night yeah do you mean like oh my god man yeah it felt good I mean listen I don't want to I'm not judging anybody that drinks but for me personally you know last year I woke up I was pretty sure that I'd offended someone on production where I'd like where I got so drunk and said something to them then I've like stayed and then the other thing is the thing that you forget is i think when you're the host of something like that you know what it's like and then you talk to a member of production even though i consider i consider it to be two people talking they think i'm talking to the host now and then you're being bored like in my head i think you could be as boring as you want and they're sitting there going how do i extricate myself in this conversation it's like the headmaster coming on to talk to you do you know i mean i've actually i've actually wanted to celebrate with my friends who i've actually worked with this week and we were just talking about how we've managed to avoid you for the duration of the series now that will be the i'll just say that will be like the moment of any that'll be the massive moment for anyone just they get the chance to have a chat with you like a one-on-one no but what i'm saying is it's like when you're drunk yeah of course and somebody and somebody comes up to you you see them they're excited for about 45 seconds and then they discover how the conversation is going to be and that is going to be you spitting in their mouths as you tell them a series of anecdotes about what you've been up to over the last few months and i didn't do that this time i feel great about it you were never that where's a drunk you i always felt as a drunk you regressed a little bit you weren't an aggressively chat no but that's that's when i that's so it's two types of drunk for me either i'm conscious enough to go i need to be quiet here because i'm gonna make a dick of myself or i forget to make that decision and then all of a sudden i'm doing the fucking I'm doing karaoke thong song on top of the bar in front of the entire team do you know what I mean so I've got to be anyway I didn't do that this time so I was very pleased with myself what the main talk was over and above Weakest Link though most of the debates in production were all about this Coldplay couple oh yeah now you and I have not spoken about this no but I can't imagine anybody listening doesn't know what happened but basically yeah yeah they're doing the camera around the thing yeah and then this couple they focus on this couple and it turns out they're both married to not each other and they sort of said i think if they'd have had the wherewithal to just stay hugging right yeah and then the camera moved on none of us would know that that happened now right because it would have been such a non-event but their reaction was so it was so blatant wasn't it and then everyone around them was like laughing their tits off because they're obviously like oh my god their affair has been discovered it was bad when you first saw them they look so happy and in love do you know i mean yeah it's a he by the way completely melts and he lets her she's left to take the fucking brunt right well i saw i saw some like body language analysts or whatever and they feel like he some obviously you're watching what seven seconds of footage or something like that i don't know how long the clip is so you there is a bit of over analysis do you mean but like a lot of some people are going he's basically thrown her under the bus there do you mean and like the ducks ducks behind the thing and then the fucking philadelphia the phillies mascots did a piss take of i mean mate someone's done one of me and you there's an ai one someone's done of me and you from here but they wouldn't send it to me well the idea that i would be ashamed to be caught with an embrace in Embrace with You is absolutely ridiculous.

37:16So everyone there there was people from work, right?

37:19Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah, so I guess everybody... I mean, look, I've not read loads about it, but I'm guessing that everyone at work knows that that's happening. Yeah, but then, like, I just think, what about the big company barbecue when his wife was there and her husband was there and everyone just played along with it? Well, I guess everyone knows. Yeah, that's what I mean. But if he's a CEO, he's a CEO, right? Or, like, whatever, he's pretty high up. Well, he's not a CEO now. He's had to leave, hasn't he? He's lost his job. No, he has had to. but what's the reason for leaving well yeah he's yeah i think no i'm not i mean like i don't get me wrong is it true that chris chris martin know him or something i don't know about that that's the first i've ever heard of that yeah here's my question to you yeah do you have any sympathy for them no not really i think that it's not i feel so sorry for the fucking wife and his kids i feel sorry for her husband I think that's a shitty way to find out that sort of thing's happened for his wife he's going oh yeah off to see Coldplay tonight and she's like oh I actually quite like Coldplay yeah yeah yeah I couldn't get you a ticket even though we've got a box it's going to be all the work and you know what that gets I don't want you to have a bad time how about look I've booked tickets to see Coldplay on another night why don't we make that our night to see Coldplay and I'll just do this work one I won't really enjoy it you know I'll just go we'll go next week and now a week later she's basically down her husband and a ticket to Coldplay you know what she should have done is basically had she should have been able to go to Coldplay and replicate that with someone else but like more passionately that is a very like binary way of looking at it oh yeah will you fucking find some gazer and then you go do it what are you talking about well you take Trevor from your work to Coldplay tonight and then you know you ever grow up with Trevor I mean what I would say is, first of all, it's like...

39:10Do you feel sorry for them?

39:12Romesh Ranganathan:I don't feel sorry for them, necessarily, but I do think it's more nuanced than they're the scum of the earth. Do you know what I mean? By the way, can I just say, I don't think they're the scum of the earth. It's just a bit of dicey behavior. I wouldn't say that. Yeah, but, like, first of all, there's a limit to how much it's like, that thing is being discussed worldwide now right it's like it's been memed within inch of his eyeballs all i all i can keep thinking is them just looking to each other and go oh god the only thing that could make this worse is i got that fucking interviewer from da zone come up and ask us some stupid questions but but like so there's that hello mate have you enjoyed the concert i'm the fucking guy from the video you fucking idiot oh sorry sorry and then also i do like i do feel sorry for their family because you know whether whatever the because you know one of the things i was saying to when we were talking about it at work was you know you don't know what the background to their relationships are but even so those sort of things you you should have the right to put those things to play out in private do you mean but like if they were planning on keeping this a secret and they've got found out then that's probably a positive thing she was his pa though right or his secretary i don't think she's his secretary i i thought they were like on she was not as high up as him but she was still quite high up in the company was my impression it's you know the worst bit is actually the work the probably the one of the worst people in it is the woman that she goes to who really starts laughing like it's funny yeah the woman's absolutely cracking up yeah there was a rumor that it was a setup yeah but that's what i thought chris martin had set them up like chris martin sort of like is basically like catfish like uh neve out of catfish he's just i'm just gonna look this up the kiss care moment during the concert carplay frontman chris cut martin was engaged with the audience using a fan cam camera landed a man woman the moment they realize they're on the big screen their demeanor changed they become a viral sensation internet users quickly identified the individuals andy byron the ceo astronomer and kristin cabot his company's head of hr chief people officer reports emerged that byron's wife had removed byron from her facebook name after the video went viral astronomers stated they were launching a formal hr investigation i mean she's the head of hr just a few days after the incident andy baron had resigned as ceo and the statement emphasized that our leaders expect to set the standard of both conduct and accountability and that standard was not met so there you go that's it's not said um it's not said much after that but i mean look obviously the first reaction is it's like it is funny and they've got caught out and it's horrible for their partners and it's good that they got caught there's all that but what i'm saying is is like you just don't know i don't know there's part of me that thinks for all of the people involved it's the most i mean it's the fucking most public way i mean if they've got kids and shit like your parents your parents in a fucking meme do you know i mean like for being with someone else like it's fucking horrible also wasn't it like one of you think it was in the simpsons as well they like did i think that might have been done retrospective i don't think i think that's one of those i think it might have been they generated the image afterwards and then ai is like so fucking like go because you've seen the ai videos that sort of show what happened after yeah yeah but but it's so like fucking like you know you just look at you know in a relatively short time ai has gone from being like you can see it straight away to now i have to watch it three or four times before i think i can actually figure it out.

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45:03What do you think is the next? I was reading a thing, but they reckon by 2037, we'll be slaves to AI. What do you mean slaves to AI? like ai will just run everything it will just be the boss it will just jump me what does that mean though what does that mean funnily i mean there's like i don't know that we're because apparently people are using it so much now like even the other night i was working and someone was just ai and stuff like for work like going through stuff you're like shit this is like so that

45:33Romesh Ranganathan:stops you thinking for yourself well look it's going to get better and better look i'm going to tell you this now podcasts you can just generate a podcast i've already seen clips of podcasts that don't exist generated by ai and this is like yeah and like we've like just made it looks legit not not completely legit you can tell it's not not but this is a difference right so i think when it comes to this like but surely if you find out something's computerized as a human being that like i certainly find it the actual engagement as a human you you don't feel quite as much no but then like it depends how ethical you want to be about it i mean it's not even ethical i just think it's just like if you it because otherwise everything just becomes cartoons right it's got like no no no but it doesn't have to be cartoons what i'm saying to you is like there could be a podcast called like the the ox and cat right and then it's just suddenly you're introduced to these two people who've decided to do a podcast and you see the episodes and at no point did they declare it's ai i'm saying that that's a possibility and so then you're invested in two people if they don't find out they don't exist right so you might not i'm saying to you yeah but at some point like you're gonna go all right they're not fucking people they're not real like it's the same thing as like i can sit and watch an animation like toy story yeah it can give me a feeling and all that but at the end of it like it's a different thing from watching that from watching something that actually really had, like a biop, do you know what I mean?

47:00Biop, or something, do you know what I mean? A what? A biop, like a biop, like, you know, like an actual real, yeah, like a biop in a real story, someone's, do you know what I mean? The story of someone's life, oh shit, that actually happened, fuck, do you know what I mean? Looking at the end of it, like, what's the, I watched it a couple of months ago, the film about the, the guy who lives just outside a concentration camp, fucking is, or is one of the most harrowing films you ever watched I don't know it's fucking amazing won the Oscar for the best sound

47:32Romesh Ranganathan:but my point is you sit and watch that I went to watch that in cinema it stayed with me for about two weeks and then I forgot the name of it but I swear my memory's going I'm a bit worried about that anyway but that's because the actual thought of what had happened you know and how the performance was and everything every part of that but yeah the end of Toy Story 3 whatever you sort of yeah they're all going to go down the into the fire they don't but as soon as that's over you stop thinking about because they're not real they're cartoon characters it's done if yeah it's a great movie but my point been is if if if i was there's a terrible example yeah no it's a terrible example okay let's go let's go let's go to your like marvel right mark or anything any made-up character right you watch a marvel movie and is what you know end game whatever at the end of it you they're all fucking people playing characters it's not a real yeah it can be a bit sad it can be a bit tragic it can be highly elated by that moment but you go oh they're just fucking characters then they're brilliantly played they're amazingly well acted but actually sort of the nuance of saying it's a real story for a real person that's that stays with you longer i think okay i take your point but the point i'm trying to make is first of all you're commenting on the level at which that is now well first of all you're talking about a different thing what i'm saying to you is it is feasible that the ethics it's feasible that the ethics of ai will dissolve to such a point as that a podcast will come out and nobody knows these people aren't real right that's possible and and like what i'm saying is somebody if you're listening to this podcast right now the question i'd ask you is how certain are you that what you're listening to now is real how definite are you that this is two people actually talking to each other are you certain of that because that that's the point i'm trying to make right is that you that's going to get to a point where the inputs can become so sophisticated that you could generate what we're doing now for this hour you could generate that and and there wouldn't be a discernible difference and then to take your other point about made up characters right i'm going to use a very like sort of uh well-trodden example but up the first 10 minutes of up where you see the two of them get together they grow all together then she gets ill passed away then he's on his own see the two armchairs and then he's on his own in the armchair the other armchair is empty they are two imagined characters but the observation that is made on you spending your life with your significant other is so beautiful and so well observed and so well expressed that it does stay with you you know you look across at your partner or you think about somebody split up with or you think about you know the relation you might have in the future and it makes you reflect in a human way but it does the reason for that tom is that humans made up and humans made toy story right so the question is can ai without human input can it create something that resonates on a human level and that is you know that's something i don't know and actually already i'm out of my depth in terms of my level of understanding of it but do you know i mean it's like i do this is a time i don't know if you'll say it but like with guests like i'm so intrigued into AI.

50:55I'm fascinated by it as a I don't know much about it. I don't know when when you when you hear about people saying it could take over the world. You're like, well, how do I mean? Like in a sense, but then when you do one of the things that stuck with me is like the power of it and what it takes with you know, what is it like a teaspoon every time you type something in

51:14Romesh Ranganathan:15th of a teaspoon of water every time you put a question in? Yeah. So for example, the other day, I can't remember what I was asking about I think I was asking about a fitness routine whatever because I actually think it's quite good if you want to get a little workout Matt, did you put in something like, what is a good caption for a picture of my physique from a few years ago that's inspirational to people something like that you know what, I was like, I've managed to swerve this bullet can I just say, Catherine sent me this video, and I will show you this video, I'm not sending you this video because I don't want it to go any further and i love you do you not trust me mate you're not sure i don't trust me with this video this video is me like i'm drunk in this video i weigh around about 150 kilograms uh caffeine is winding me up taking a piss because i'm so drunk she's filming me i try to be oh my god i can't believe i'm getting into this but i'm fucking gonna do it anyway i try to be quite sexy towards catherine and try to be sort of like i'm sort of coming on to her to which she takes a mick out of me as katherine wood i then progressed to walk over to a mirror and say do you think i'm putting on weight jesus i clearly am and within that this is a this is a 22 second video uh so it do you want to have a do you want to listen tell me this cut you're first having sex with prince and seeing my meds best mate uh that would be better than than so i i i down some water she makes a joke about me being drunk I said you need to relax it's quite fun to have a drunk I don't think I'm even that drunk and she's taking the mick out of me I then sort of try to try to be quite alluring and sexy which is fucking disgusting I then make an observation where my gut is out and say do you think I've put on weight and then I progress to say right I'm just going to go and talk and have a big shit so within seconds she's filmed me going oh i might be uh oh this is listen so i might we might be able to get on tonight uh oh god look how fat i am i'm gonna go for like that and and literally she sent me this video and i sent a message back saying it genuinely is a miracle you're still here you're still with me i would say i would say to you you can't split up with her you know that don't you ever i never would i adore her she's my whole world i'm just saying you can't know somebody's got that video it's worth staying in the relationship to avoid that getting into general circulation of something mate if she was she she left me it's all over anyway i mean that video can come out i won't be around keep it like mate it was honestly i was like yeah so i put the video up as a thing to the picture up also because i actually didn't think i was in that bad shape like i look now and i've had fucking tests started like you know i test done around that time on my liver and my heart and they were both not in great shape do you know i mean but my point being i didn't actually see myself at that time as being that unhealthy i thought i was in the right shape well look i'm gonna tell you this though bro i mean i know you're embarrassed about the video but i saw the photo i thought you look fine you look fine you don't you look you look great now you look great then you know and look i know what i know what you're saying and i like there's a part of me that yeah i've been quite derogatory about myself and other people could take offense the the worst thing of that is not is the fact that the amount of visceral fat and health worries even now i'm i'm like i have that probably i'm still suffering repercussions of that but it's like the amount of fucking x like the shit i was putting into my body and the fact that that was just sitting on my stomach my heart my liver like you know i had like i was going to the doctor and getting some pretty fucking serious warnings and i didn't adhere to them until 2022 it's like yeah well look thank god you did huh well yeah i'm still here anyway the longer the short of it is we're worried about ai yeah yeah you know we could get to a point where like if one of us was to stop doing this or decided to quit ai could get to a point where we could continue the podcast without one or the other i don't think that would work i think it would just focus in on a very generic way that they say it's better and then maybe it's just very generic and fucking one no we are generic there's a truth about yeah okay uh would you like to should Should we do one email?

55:53Romesh Ranganathan:Let's do a nice email, boy. Let's do one. All right, by the way, Tom. Yeah. Somebody sent an email saying they'd love you to choose the end song. Okay. I'm going to try my hardest not to say that as an insult about my choices, but that's not your problem. This is from the Sheepdog. Okay. Dear Wolf and Al, my friend, let's call him Mr. Ox, has recently started his own podcast. i'll put the link in the email in case you don't want to you want to listen or steal content but no worries if you don't want to listen to it as i understand you're both busy men why the difficulties he's been facing is dealing with the critics as there's been a string of damning reviews i understand words such as nonsensical and phrases like a waste of everyone's time have been used this is real i don't think this is real but go on i've tried to encourage him by saying that not being appreciated in your time is a mark of a true artist and other motivational stuff, but I fear he's taking it to heart.

56:47Romesh Ranganathan:I believe he may be only half listening to the positive messages and focusing purely on the negative. It culminated with him saying he may throw the towel in the other day, but I talked to him by saying I was looking forward to listening to a few podcasts on my walking holiday. As a sad note, I've been saving up Wolf and Owl episodes, so I must have enough to listen to one a day while walking. He's rather an understandably sensitive to the opinions of these critics. I was wondering if there's advice he could give. for context the critics are his wife and dad um okay first of all jt can you blank out the name of the podcast because i think it's like you know i don't know how happy this guy's going to be about his podcast being slated like this but do you have any advice tom and let's not get into like a navel-gazing wallow about the criticism we get for this one because i mean yeah i i have to say that i think in in the world of podcasts now and i think in just life in general you know let's go back into the zone gate but um you are going to find yourself as soon as you put anything out there you have to make a kind of deal when you have to make a kind of make it okay with yourself that they're not everyone's going to like it it's it's that is just what it is and sadly the more stuff you do you know and any acclaim that might come your way will be equally matched with people who don't like what you're doing it's you know it's very much just a given into the industry in which we're in and I think I guess I guess the truth is that if he's finding that that difficult I mean if it is just pure criticism and there's not a real like he has no sort of positivity that's coming his way and there's not sort of more of an equal measure then probably it's best to sort of maybe just look at what what he's doing and what he's saying and and see if there's any change but you know even that in itself I guess the truth of any of this is if you're enjoying if you enjoy it then it that's what that's you know if people can choose to listen or not but you know like i think when you're when when anyone's doing anything creatively any artist of like whether it's you know someone's painting someone's putting out something musically or comedy if the reason that that you do the thing you do really if it's if it's true and it's it should come from somewhere inside of you that goes yeah that's a that's what i want to make and that's the thing that i want to do.

59:01And any criticism, or any acclaim, you know, they kind of just sort of pad into the insignificance, because you're sort of driven by just wanting to do the better, you know, put out the best version of the thing that you think is good. So I guess, if you want people to tell you how amazing you are, and how incredible you are, I don't think that I don't think this is the right way. I think you're never going to get that you're is going to be met with you know your prince nazeem's or gordon ramsay's it's the same coin we flip it up and catch it baby um absolutely yeah wombski um i'm going to tell you this this

59:41Romesh Ranganathan:is my advice to your friend uh your business is creating the podcast what's none of your business is what people think about that is none of your concern so your business watching positive commentary is as damaging as negative commentary your job is to create what you want to create and you put it out there and what people think of it that's not that's not on you you're a creator and you know whenever tom and i've ever looked at reviews of our podcast that is a mistake and it is a it is a result of in my opinion ego where you're looking and you're going i want to see what people think of this and i want to you shouldn't do that that that is you're creating a thing and in my opinion and so any you know you can going forward you can like talk to you the other people you do the podcast with the people you respect other people that do podcasts and say what could i do better and you can reflect on it but that should not be in my opinion fed by what people think when tom and i stopped you know talking about how we look because we're worried about what people are saying we shouldn't have done that we should just do it whenever we want is the truth and if people like the podcast or they don't then it's fine do you know what i mean so i think if you really want to do the podcast do the podcast if the podcast isn't any good and you want to stop doing it that is also a great outcome there are no wrong outcomes from this you know do it and don't worry or don't do it and don't worry that's my advice to you best of luck to you now my job here is done on the podcast tom i'm going to hand over to you to do the closing thoughts and i'm also going to keep it with you because you're going to choose our closing song today so whenever you're ready tom okay and by the way i can just say just before you get into this i just i do want to take this opportunity to say this it feels like you had a little bit of a hard time doing a red carpet.

1:01:44Romesh Ranganathan:It's a great thing you're doing. You're a great person. And don't be hard on yourself. All right. Well, I guess this is my thing. And retrospectively, it's very much one of those things that you look forward and you look up and you look down. And sometimes you look behind you. Fact is the road in which we're all traveling, no one knows where we're really going. We know where we've been. Sometimes we remember each turn and each corner, each traffic like each time we stopped and looked into the car next to us and thought hey there's Trevor oh there's Claire and then we went on with our journey never seen Trevor or nay Claire again I guess the truth is sometimes we think we're heading to a destination that we've always planned on going because we thought it'll be incredible sometimes we set the sights of ambition so high that when we reach them the anti-climax feels kind of deflating and that's what deflation is I guess it's a sense of hope that sometimes you reach and the candy floss in which you thought you were going to eat turns out just to be leaves, grass, all sewn together with mud and it doesn't taste very nice but still you might have learned something you might have learned that actually, you know what no journey is worthless if you take something from it no destination is unsacred if you have a little look around and think, well, that's exactly what I thought it would be.

1:03:08Or it's not what I thought it would be at all. Look, learn, listen. They're the three L's. Take them all, write them down, and most of all, enjoy them. Thanks, friends. I'm going to play out with... I'm very excited to go and see Oasis. So I'm going to play out with Oasis' Stand By Me. Great tune.

1:03:35Romesh Ranganathan:there you go so you wanted one of tom's choices and you got yourself something pretty edgy a little bit of oasis there for you don't know if you've heard of them but make sure you do check them out i think they've got a big future bright future ahead of them uh thank you so much for listening you're so ziggie about not having the song choice i don't like the song choice by the way i i i'm not a song got choice guy no listen business we've given the people what they want okay they wanted you to some choice what we've done Robbish is what we said we wouldn't do and you've given a person what they wanted I think everyone else will go why the fuck is the guy who feels like he's in a nervous breakdown it's a great song it's a great song it's very timely and fingers crossed there's not a video that comes out after the Oasis concert of Tom in some passionate embrace of somebody diving behind the balcony when he gets collared by Noel Gallagher's kiss cam fingers crossed thank you so much for listening to the podcast guys we love you very Thank you very much.

1:04:30Romesh Ranganathan:Take care of yourselves. Thank you.

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