S4 Ep 48: Celebrity Warhammer & A Birthday Cake Calamity

3 Dec 2025 · 1 h · 24 chapters

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In short

The episode mixes three threads: (1) Peyronie’s disease (PD)—scar tissue under the penis causing curvature/bump, possible pain during sex, and mental health effects; PD’s cause is often unknown but may follow minor/repeated injury; it’s treatable via urology specialists, including non-surgical options (TalkAboutPD.com). (2) Pop-culture banter: Warhammer fandom (including Henry Cavill), childhood toy/figure painting, and TV nostalgia (Simpsons, Family Guy, Friends). (3) Personal story: a birthday cake mishap—an ordered unicorn-themed cake arrived with a different color palette and look (more Halloween-like), and it tasted “disgusting”/dense like “cheese biscuits,” leading to jokes and a backup homemade cake by Catherine.

Guests

No clear named guests. The transcript is primarily two hosts (Romesh and Tom) plus mentions of other public figures (Drake, Kim Kardashian, Henry Cavill, Martin McFly/Back to the Future cast, etc.), but not as interview guests.

Key claims/examples

PD is more common than people think; curvature/bump + mental distress can occur; Warhammer painting is addictive; the unicorn cake didn’t match Pinterest; homemade cake “looked a lot better.”

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Understanding Peyronie's Disease

0:00 to 0:52

Learn about Peyronie's disease, its causes, and its impact on men's health.

“Let's talk about a condition many people haven't heard of, and it turns out it's more common than you'd think.”

Kim Kardashian and Drake's Relationship

2:54 to 4:33

Discussion on the rumored relationship between Kim Kardashian and Drake.

“Before she was like, this meeting is being recorded.”

Dungeons and Dragons with Celebrities

4:33 to 5:54

Imagining funny scenarios involving celebrities and tabletop games.

The Art of Figure Painting

5:54 to 7:40

Hosts share their experiences and frustrations with painting miniatures.

“And it would always be in Gamleys, right?”

The Challenge of Building Lego

7:40 to 10:00

Romesh and Tom talk about their experiences building Lego sets with kids.

Nostalgia for Classic TV Shows

10:00 to 11:24

The hosts reflect on their favorite episodes of The Simpsons and Friends.

“It is kind of cool because, you know, we're not defined by our bodies, are we, I guess?”

The Evolution of Comedy Shows

11:24 to 14:00

Discussion on how comedy shows change over time and personal favorites.

Nostalgia and The Simpsons

14:00 to 20:02

Discussion on childhood shows and their impact.

“you're either going to nail it or you fuck it up, but you've tried really hard.”

Back to the Future Analysis

24:20 to 28:00

A detailed discussion on the film 'Back to the Future' and its themes.

“Because, I mean, don't get me fucking started on the lyrics.”

Film Character Speculation

28:00 to 29:40

Discussion about characters from classic films and their potential spin-offs.

“I was feel sorry for him and the guy who played Sloth in the Goonies.”
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Tom Hanks Movie Connections

29:40 to 31:20

Exploring the connections between Tom Hanks' characters and their roles in different films.

Watching Philadelphia

31:20 to 33:00

Debating the emotional impact and timing for watching the movie Philadelphia.

“Well, Captain Phillips, fucking amazing film.”

Grace's Birthday Party

33:00 to 35:00

Sharing experiences and challenges of hosting a birthday party for Grace.

The Birthday Cake Disaster

35:00 to 38:20

A detailed recount of the cake mishap for Grace's birthday party.

“Yeah, so that's sort of like a princess fairy kind of cake thing, right?”

Katherine's Cake Rescue

38:20 to 41:40

Katherine's quick thinking saves the party with her own cake after the original fails.

“I said, Oh, my God, this looks completely different.”

Advice on Parenting Guilt

41:40 to 42:00

Offering insights on managing guilt associated with balancing work and parenting.

Birthday Cake Disappointment

42:00 to 44:16

The hosts discuss the challenges of planning a birthday party and cake expectations.

“because kids aren't supposed to, they're not supposed to walk around going, oh my God, I've been so blessed with these parents.”

The Cake Critique

44:16 to 46:04

The hosts analyze the disappointing cake experience and its texture and flavor.

“No, let me just say the texture of a cake, right?”

The Cake Critique

46:35 to 47:25

The hosts analyze the disappointing cake experience and its texture and flavor.

“It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration block or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks.”

The Play and Christmas Lunch

47:32 to 50:33

The hosts share updates about a play and their early Christmas lunch experience.

“So I sort of delivered four minutes of stand-up over some sort of drilling and some wood sort of being falling down and getting lifted.”

Struggles with Routine and Eating

50:33 to 53:10

Discussion about managing routines, working out, and overeating during busy schedules.

Challenges of Filming and Rehearsals

53:10 to 56:04

Exploring the difficulties of filming, rehearsals, and maintaining health.

Filming Challenges and Dietary Struggles

56:04 to 58:02

Romesh shares his experiences of struggles with diet and energy during filming.

“And, you know, overeating slightly in your lunch breaks.”

Reflections on Teamwork and Loneliness

58:02 to 59:40

A philosophical discussion about the balance between solitude and teamwork in life.

“Sometimes you need the warm consideration of a few team members going, hey, we've got you.”
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Transcript

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0:00Romesh Ranganathan:Let's talk about a condition many people haven't heard of, and it turns out it's more common than you'd think. Peyronie's disease, or PD for short. PD can happen when scar tissue builds up under the skin of the penis. This can cause a curve or the bump during an erection, and for some men, lead to pain during intimacy and may impact mental health. It may also lead to anger and frustration, depression, lower self-esteem, and even withdrawal from sexual activity and physical intimacy. Because of this, some men could feel embarrassed or reluctant to talk about PD. The actual cause of PD isn't always known.

0:35Romesh Ranganathan:In some cases, it may be linked to a minor injury or repeated injuries during sex or other physical activity. The good news is, PD is treatable. If you notice a curve with a bump, a trusted urology specialist can help diagnose it and walk you through your options, including non-surgical treatment. To learn more about Peyronie's disease, visit TalkAboutPD.com. Let's talk about Peyronie's disease, or PD. It's not widely talked about, and some men may feel reluctant to bring it up, but it's more common than you'd think. PD can happen when scar tissue builds up under the skin of the penis, causing a curve or the bump during an erection that for some men may lead to pain during intimacy and impact mental health.

1:17Romesh Ranganathan:A trusted urology specialist can help diagnose PD and walk you through your options, including non-surgical treatment. Visit TalkAboutPD.com.

1:48Romesh Ranganathan:This is incredible! Wow! I am clear in the rest of the day. Disney and Pixar's Hoppers, now available on Disney+. Rated PG.

2:17Romesh Ranganathan:Both of them are known to pull up at your shows Have the crowd witnessing a murder like they rolled in with a gang of crows Fuck the censorship, let them see the whole thing They stay dressed to kill, never sheep's clothing Dark enough to turn the sun to the moon, you'll see nothing All you hear is a huff a puff and a... Expect killings, red spilling and flesh ripping Impressive innit, the death bringing its head spinning Just kidding, every word in this song's about two grown men Dressed up as a bird and a dog Hello, and welcome to the what you do what you're gonna am I good for the woman's voice who does this this meeting is being recorded is completely changed.

2:54Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah. Nice. Yeah. Before she was like, this meeting is being recorded. And now she's like, this meeting is being recorded.

3:04Romesh Ranganathan:Would you like to have the meeting? I will like it recorded. you feel like a kind of like that's like a kim kardashian when she's young kind of the vocal fry yeah there's no point there's no point doing a them if it's not being recorded

3:33Romesh Ranganathan:welcome to the wolf and owl did you see by the way that uh did you see that drake and kim kardashian apparently have been like friends of benefits for years have though apparently yeah that's one of the eggiest fucks in the industry isn't it i don't think kardashian would want to be called an eggy fuck

3:56god must have been like drake's backstage team is like i'm gonna call eggy oh they'll hit up eggy see what she's up to oh man you're still tapping eggy um

4:07Romesh Ranganathan:or it could be the other way it must be weird isn't it it must be weird like because kim kardashian is and drake for each of them the other one is so so far i mean obviously you know kim kardashian's been with uh yay who was married to you but you know like they're these such massive names it must feel weird to go oh i'm gonna go and uh see if i could i'm on a promise with kim kardashian i'm on a promise with drizzy isn't it like as well like two people are so so attractive and cool do you think the conversations like stilted or do you think that they really just do you think i i'd like to i'd like to think that when they close the hotel room door drake's like oh my god we're gonna fuck you know just

4:48should we get out let's get out guess who you know and kim's just like fuck yes so let's get

4:55Romesh Ranganathan:down to business i'd love the idea that they get into the mood by playing battleships yeah a really long game of risk yeah and they really get into or what I would really love is Dungeons and Dragons with Kim Kardashian going Warhammer you're in you're in the woods there's an orc also watch carrying an axe you've got three spells which one do you yeah she's actually got Drake saved in her phone as Warhammer and it's not for the like everyone thinks it's like some fucking lay the Warhammer on me henry cavill's obsessed with warhammer apparently yeah i love i love uh seeing henry cavill suddenly be asked a question to do with that world and then he just gives this fucking insanely detailed answer i absolutely love it it's so kind of a bad thing actually like it's quite a few of these hollywood but like maybe that's that's where me and you are lacking we could probably get into hollywood better if we because i don't think i don't think the reason that you and i are not in hollywood betches because of our lack of knowledge of warhammer if that's what is that no if that's the theory you're about to put i'm just saying right right you're going for a big film right you're going going into a movie and you're henry henry cavill's in it right yeah i'd say you've got a subsequently better chance to get in if he's involved in production if you go into the room and you're like um oh sorry i'm a little bit all over with the lines i was up all night playing bloody warhammer last night one of my orcs got taken down by a flurry of dwarf elflings and he's i mean as little as i know i don't know if dwarf elflings is a thing is it i mean there must be i don't i don't know what the look let's get into it i don't know what the genetic compatibility is of a dwarf and an elf how have you ever played anything like warhammer or no i wanted to i i want i i used to like when i was a kid i like the imagery of it there was a magazine I don't know if it still exists called White Dwarf.

6:52Romesh Ranganathan:And it had like... Why haven't I learned of that? Yeah. And it would always be in Gamleys, right? You could buy it in Gamleys and it would have like... Wow, Gamleys as well. Yeah, yeah. Shout out Gamleys. Yeah, big shout out Gamleys. Huge shout out Gamleys. And on the cover, they'd always have like some battle scene. And then I remember once I bought it, because I was like, maybe this is... I don't know why. I just thought, oh, this looks cool. And then it's just loads of pictures of people sort of with a tiny paintbrush painting and fucking painting the grass on the base of an orc statue or whatever and then oh god this isn't what i thought it was and then that kind of put me out because i didn't realize you had to be into like the figurines and all that shit yeah the figurines are a big thing yeah i i tried i tried at one point paint in american civil war um figurines and just got really bored with it yeah so yeah i do enjoy i do enjoy the tiktoks where they take you through the steps of like they'll have like a few bits of shit and then you know the the constituent parts of like a figure then you see them putting together then they paint them then they put a hair dryer on it then they like fart on it with through talcum powder and then that adds an effect and then they roll it in fucking biscoff and then they put another layer of paint on it and at the end of it it's turned into some incredible realistic thing like there's something very addictive about watching yeah it's incredible watching anyone like that with that sort of creative sort of like nows yeah and also i know my fingers are just too big and too heavy yeah and also there's no dexterity here no me neither and i get nervous that right at the end of it i'll be like just finishing him off and um and then my brush slips and i give him a hitlertash or something like that by mistake or something you know something terrible happens i paint over the design i've put on his chest shield or something like if you're doing like i don't know like the sort of silver surfer you sort of get a little bit heavy-handed yeah sort of ends up being green yeah yeah i mean i i used to really frustrate when i was putting like helping the book they're not into it now thank god although i am about to embark on putting together uh a lego simpsons house but whoa whoa but how mad i've literally spent this morning doing lego blue with grace oh right yeah so i don't know if you have this but as as grace gets older i don't know how complicated the ones are she's on at the moment but they get more complex and for a while the boys were like super into the star wars lego stuff yeah that's top end yeah and then you'd be in the middle like you'd be so far into making something and then you're trying to force a piece on and then your hand slips and you just smash the last seven sections of what you've done to fucking pieces the the the strength of will it takes to not just headbutt the fucking wall in front of your child it is insane You have to like, because you don't want to, you're so nervous about pushing on your psychological issues to your child that it smashes to pieces.

9:40Romesh Ranganathan:And then you go, that's fine. That's fine. It was fun putting it together. It was fun, wasn't it? So what's really good about this is we're having the fun all over again, aren't we? Then Lisa's in the background going, Romesh, Romesh, there's a vein coming from your neck again. Romesh, we talked about the angry voice. You're gritting your teeth. You don't realize it, but you're gritting your teeth again, my love. My love. you're holding Luke Skywalker so tight he's turned to play-doh

10:08has Homer Simpson got a tummy by the way on Lego I think I don't think I've looked at Homer Simpson but yeah he must do right well just yeah I hope so the only chart I've got we're doing the bluey

10:19Romesh Ranganathan:and all the figures are the same size oh right yeah and maybe he hasn't actually maybe he hasn't maybe he hasn't that makes sense what you just said it does it does make sense that they were It's like Lego just everyone has exactly the same sort of body proportions, which is kind of cool, I guess, in a way. It is kind of cool because, you know, we're not defined by our bodies, are we, I guess? No, no, but I do think that there's such a... And we're the true exponents of that. We've never agonised over it on this podcast. I know. But then I look at it and just think with, like, Marge and Homer, there's a gulf in difference between the two of them in so many different ways.

10:49But I've actually started getting back into Simpsons. I watched the Flaming Mo episode this week. It's a great... I felt a bit down. It's one of the greatest episodes of anything ever written. I love that song.

10:59Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah, the flame of my episode is good. I like the monorail episode. I'm a big fan of that episode. I do think it went through an amazing patch, right? I was watching it. I remember watching it years ago thinking, this is the best television I've ever seen for quite a long time. Was it like some people say three till nine, isn't it? I think maybe, yeah. But I just remember watching it going, I can't believe how funny this is. I can't believe how clever this is. yeah it's just incredible and then you know with anything like that you're watching it and then it starts to wane because you're so in love with it you don't notice and so you watch it and then one day you go i'm not enjoying this as much as i normally like what's going and anything i'm then you start blaming yourself like maybe i'm tired i remember the first time i went to watch phantom menace and midway through the film i had like an epiphany go oh this is shit this is fucking shit i didn't realize i thought that maybe i've come into this in a bad mood but actually know some Gungans are fighting some droids and looks like it could be made on a fucking xbox no actually i hate this film but that's what that's what happened to me with simpsons i had that with family guy as well family guy me and katherine were obsessed with obsessed and then just it just drifted away which is devastating because they become those characters become like friends they really do another program which i was yeah friends is another one which is yeah god yeah don't get me started on friends actually friend think actually weirdly friends gets better towards the end i would no no no no it doesn't i i would like there's a there's a sweet spot in the middle and then there's a later bit where actually if they were doing it in reality joey would have had some sort of intervention because he clearly had the fucking mental episode the guy i mean that what that you know the episode where he tries to speak french and he's going blah blah blah blah blah that that right he needs to be institutionalized or something you know what the fuck that episode should be like jesus christ i think there's something seriously fucking wrong with joey also i always think that joey and rachel were the couple that i wanted to see that well that's just so superficial of it is because they were the two hottest ones no no no but i think they'd have got on better why i think they're sweeter together what ross look what's this but what were the funniest things in friends he's hilarious he's probably the best probably pound for pound the funniest character in friends yeah is that is that fair to say do you know the you know the rumor is as well that he upset the writers so just put him through loads of indignifying stuff.

13:20They made him... Yeah, it was counterproductive.

13:24Romesh Ranganathan:And he was sort of a homophobic paleontologist beforehand, and then by the end of it, he actually had a bit of nous about him. He's very much like that in real life as well, when I made it up with him. Oh, did you? Oh, of course you did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He carried that Ross vibe. I called him Ross to try and get inside his head for the whole episode. What was your best hoped outcome out of calling him Ross? Well, that he'd get annoyed and he'd sort of like... Yeah, he came with a very serious battle plan, that guy. I've never seen anyone so fucking... Yeah. Like, Xeroxed in to just... Well, a lot of times, that's a good thing, isn't it?

13:59Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah. I think, because if you try really hard, you're either going to nail it or you fuck it up, but you've tried really hard. That's funny. Yeah. Not trying and fucking it up is... I tried hard on that, but also I tried harder just thinking... You made a toilet, didn't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We nearly beat Ross, to be fair. Yeah. it would have been familiar to wouldn't it it comes in with a battle plan and somebody beats him with a shitter literally little poorangs that I put in it um it's yeah it's still a good show I like Friends I might watch them I really want to get great into The Simpsons I'm just what age do you think I can start showing The Simpsons she's four coming up to four well I mean The Simpsons is one of those shows isn't it where it sort of operates on a couple of levels yeah she might be alright there's bright colours as well yeah yeah yeah i always worry that you'll watch it and just think homer's too much like me in some ways yeah it's possible it's possible i mean i mean that's the reason that home is such a great character right because all of his least appealing traits are incredibly relatable yeah it's a bit like you and ned flanders it's great do you know what it's now that i've got this fucking tash man i swear to god every time every time i take a photo i just think fucking hell it's nadim nadine flanders i i look so flanders though it's weird as though because they're like adversaries almost now completely they're very alike yeah well i've got i've got to now have one for the play because the play's set in the 80s so that's why i've gone full i have had a sort of but it's been kind of i've tried to do it kind of stylish and and and short and trimmed whereas now i've gone full 80s bushel yeah i like it i think yes this is the best version do you know what i always say it looks sick with a cap i look like a psychopath if i haven't got a cap if i've got a bald head in this tash i look well i keep i mean i i i i keep whenever there's a radio two video or something from me doing the show there'll some there'll be some comment like why does romesh look like a 70s porn star well there's always i don't think there's been a single video where that hasn't been mentioned uh we've had emails into wolf for now saying has anybody noticed that romesh is morphing into ned flanders that's really yeah wow yeah it's not the sexiest thing i don't i don't know how i've not really let's ride is that a buff body don't you remember yeah but i've got i've got ned flanders head but my body you've got that flutter's head and most just lacks body

16:27Romesh Ranganathan:ah anyway but i do like the simpsons it's good yeah there's a new film coming out isn't there yeah that's what i'm thinking about getting back into it just so i can sort of ride the work because otherwise you're worried you won't be able to follow the story. Who's this?

16:44So who's the lady with the blue hair? She's a reference. Oh, don't get it. What's going on here? Rob? Rob? Yeah, I'm four rows down, Tom. I don't want to sit with you. Yeah, who's this character, mate? Oh, for fuck's sake. There's an episode... I'm Gumball's son.

16:58Romesh Ranganathan:There's an episode where they've done recently where Marge dies, isn't there? Really? Yeah. I can't watch that. I can't watch that. Well, she's not actually dead. I mean, she is dead in the episode, but I've not watched it, by the way, so I'm purely speculating, but apparently it's like a flash forward or something like that. They're very inventive of that, with their storytelling. Yeah. Well, you know, it's a big prediction thing, isn't it, that I can't be bothered to get into? Yeah, it's pretty amazing. Yeah. Anyway. I love Krusty the Clown. He's just got some fucking great energy. Krusty the Clown reminds me, he's so much of me.

17:30Romesh Ranganathan:You know, whenever he makes a decision for sort of corporate reasons, I think, oh, God. i'm just the guy say no hey hey welcome to judge crusty hey hey isn't he like a sort of like there's like sort of like it was like he's a sex addict as well yeah he's got crusty there's there would they could have done a great spin-off for crusty just like his dark real you know his dark life outside of his uh children's show would have been sick i mean he's the joker right yeah he is a joker yeah yeah there would have been a great there would have been a there would have been a great walking phoenix crusty the clown movie yeah yeah and then there'd been a follow-up that was smashing one you know like having a threesome with marge's sisters oh god patty and selma yeah smashing the out of barney i think i grew up with patty and selma i genuinely know a pair of girls that i grew up with are literally the spit of patty and selma they've grown more and more like Petty and Selma as time has gone on

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21:09Well,

21:13Romesh Ranganathan:you know, that's the other thing is now when you're watching TV shows and films and stuff like that, when you were younger, I was watching Back to the Future, which is one of the greatest films ever made. I remember when I was a kid, and he breaks the grocery cart and turns it into a skateboard, and he's running away from Biff Tan and all that. And I remember thinking, fucking hell, Martin McFly is so cool. I wish I was Martin McFly. i think i'm now older than i must be older than dot emmett brown now no you are you'd be emmett brown's no he's pretty older you'd be yeah you'd be we're around there we're hovering around there right we'd be we'd be the guy that's going why is that fucking old man keep you'd be like yeah yeah you know um you know it's a mad thing that the dad in uh back to future the guy who plays his dad george uh he wasn't being a second movie uh so they got a look-alike and see like cgi Yeah, I know that.

22:12Romesh Ranganathan:Do you know the reason for that is because he kicked off about the ending of the first film? Do you know this? Yeah. Did you find that out from the What Went Wrong podcast? Yeah, I did, yeah. I was listening to it. It's probably my favourite podcast. Are you listening to it? It's better than Wolf and Owl. In fact, I would say right now... Well, it basically has two experts and a fucking incredible Iron Glad format. Yeah, you've got two experts that have got an actual format who've researched it versus two fucking idiots vaguely trying to remember shit that's happened to them over the last few days and relaying that.

22:46Can I say, by the way, I was kind of hoping you hadn't heard or listened to it so I might be able to lean into the fact that I knew some facts about a film.

22:56Romesh Ranganathan:Go on, no, let's pretend, let's pretend, no, but let's pretend I'm not, yeah, what were you going to say? Well, no, should we do it like that? I've not listened to that. I've not listened to the Back to the Future one. Haven't you? Should we do it like they do it? Okay, go on then. So you've got to invite me in to say that I'm talking about what we're talking about okay so welcome to wolf and out and oh god man okay and uh well it's an interesting one today because uh listen we've covered a lot of great movies and uh but today i think is probably probably this one i would say is in my top five five of any that we've ever done I think it might be your favorite movie.

23:36Romesh Ranganathan:Well, why don't we see how this goes, and maybe at the end of it, I'll revise my position. So, Tom, what is it you're going to be talking about with us today? Oh, Rom, okay, look. I hadn't seen this movie for ages. And then I put it out. It holds up, right? It holds up. It holds up great. Some of it, some of it's quite, I don't know. So some of it actually is a little creepy and weird. We'll get into that later. No, no, we'll get into that later. Let's get into that later. But I do think as a proviso, what I would say is with some of these films, and this is no different, with some of these films, you have to put aside some of your 2025 expectations and values, right?

24:25Romesh Ranganathan:I get it. Because, I mean, don't get me fucking started on the lyrics. That's what I was going to say. Okay. Is that what it's like? I don't remember it. it seems that you're doing a completely different podcast but you're still annoyingly interrupting no that's what one of them does okay all right they follow up like they just they're almost like a soundbar so give us your back to the future facts then please okay so first fact oh no sorry sorry let's do this properly so so tom what film are we exploring today well rom uh i'm going to take you back to the future and talk to you about the motion picture Back to the Future.

25:05Very, very smoothly done. For sure. Great. So, no, look, we all know everybody loves this movie. Great movie. We'll talk about that later. I want to firstly talk about... Oh, sorry.

25:20Romesh Ranganathan:Can I just stop you, Tom? You got a little bit of smut on your flux capacitor. Oh, for definite. Sure. Oh, that's great. Oh, thank you. Love it. Go on. So, firstly, there was another actor, and I can't remember his name, who's going to play Michael J. Fox. Yeah. Oh, sorry. Eric Schultz. Who was going to play Marty McFly. Yeah. He's worried. You've come in and you asked to introduce the film, but immediately you don't know one of the main kind of stories about it. also Dustin Hoffman was going to be in this movie is that right is that right like every movie that would have been cool that would have been I could see I could see Dustin Hoffman yeah I could see him and you know every movie that we've covered uh since motion picture and talkies have been the thing uh allegedly Dustin Hoffman at some point was going to be in that movie yeah so yeah um uh So the film starts cameras rolling in 1982, maybe.

26:29Romesh Ranganathan:Have you? Sorry, Tom. Just one second. Are you actually okay to talk about this? I'm going to be honest with you. I haven't done the research that this entails. I know that there's a character called Doc Brown. Yeah. There's a character called Marty McFly and George. This is, this is, sorry, we need to sort of deliver information that's not readily available within 10 seconds of Googling the movie, you know? I know that Biff Tannen is a character, and at one point, he wasn't bad, but he was good, I think. That might just not be true. No, I don't think there's any point in the film where they suggest that, in fact, he's quite one note, actually.

27:18well anyway the character of biff tannon a lot of people think is the also the big brother in home alone but he isn't so that's that's well that's that's not quite a fact there you got

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27:34it's so hard imagine imagine if we had to do something like this like well i'm gonna tell

27:39Romesh Ranganathan:me i would assume we do some fucking basic reading i mean obviously you can't freestyle it based on what shit that you thought you fucking thought that guy was biff tannon in home alone the timeline doesn't fucking work at all by the way what's that well oh yeah of course yeah maybe it's like his uncle or something they're very alike though yeah so the fact is biff tannon and the guy the kid from home alone one of his mates they look a little bit alike that's your fact yeah but they've both got that sort of like military flat top yeah okay they've got the same haircut cool have you heard that have you heard the you know the guy that plays biff tannin have you seen his uh back to the future song yeah it's amazing incredible yeah he he lived off that he didn't really do much else after that right no he did like three movies i mean i i don't know you know depending on what deal he again here we're just speculating but he i don't think he would have got back end off of that biff tannin doesn't get back end off back to the future No.

28:37I don't know. He might have taken points on it. I was feel sorry for him and the guy who played Sloth in the Goonies. Sloth felt like he could have had a spin-off.

28:48Romesh Ranganathan:Would Sloth have had a spin-off? Well, him going to live at Chunk's house, I always thought it was the bit that we never really got into. It sounds like a copy of Bigfoot and the Hendersons. Yeah, I know. It could have probably been that or anything really. But also he had the sort of fact that he's brought up in sort of gangland sort of like they'd had to go to witness protection to get away from the fratellis what did they ever sort of give you did they ever give you what the the backstories for the for sloth no not really i don't think there's much good yeah i think he but he was he had superhuman strength right yeah yeah yeah he's a strong guy yeah also he was quite compassionate and nice but i like the fact that he got to live with chunks family who actually seemed like quite a nice sweet family and then see actually like him going to get a proper job and sort of yeah but then the fatalities get out break out of prison and they're going to come and hunt him down so they don't witness protection yeah i just think something like that could you know they're doing a sequel yeah i hope it won't be the same actor by the way he's dead now the guy who plays sloth i suppose out of everyone he's the one that yeah because he obviously wears a sort of mask and stuff unless he looked like that which would be terrible to him yeah

30:07yeah yeah you're the guy who plays sloth no I'm not that isn't me I look like him but that isn't me yeah I look I'm literally the same

30:15Romesh Ranganathan:I don't think I mean I mean obviously R.I.P. the guy that plays sloth I don't even know his name but he was an American footballer I think of quite know some no some note but um but you know i i don't want to see a gooney sequel really no what are they all doing there anyway no i don't know i also don't know who that i mean i guess it's for us but i i think as well like ralph yeah but it could be quite dark because ralph the mouth you know he's just felt like he'd never get his life together and he was a sweet guy with all the best intentions what was the name of the kid with all the gadgets uh data data yeah yeah data of course is in everything anything all of the things yeah or everything josh brolian's obviously got an incredible yeah career as a brother and then you've got uh the um frodo's mate who's mikey in it yeah um what do you reckon we're up there with what went wrong in terms of

31:18Romesh Ranganathan:maybe we've got to go some it's really it's really it's really sad that basically it would take us such a lot so much effort and organization to get to where they are but also they have they would have to be shitter than they are now in order to be able to do our podcast yeah but they they do have notes and stuff yeah i know yeah but i don't think it's within our i don't think it's within our fucking the realms of possibility that we don't yeah yeah yeah i i'd pretty much arguably just do what we're doing right now and sort of like that's how my dad watches films yeah he he still struggles to know that tom hanks is not forrest gump what do you mean well his performance was like convincing in that movie but if he if he turns around and But say, for example, you go, oh, great, I saw a fucking great movie the other day.

32:09I was like, what film do you see? Well, Captain Phillips, fucking amazing film. It's got Forrest Gump in it. That's how he's made the film.

32:18Romesh Ranganathan:Do you must find it amazing that Forrest Gump was able to sort of play that emotional scene right at the end where he's crying after the examination or whatever? Yeah, but also it doesn't feel out of sort of Forrest Gump's wheelhouse to be Captain Phillips. To end up being a Captain, yeah. I mean, it would be cool if it was part of the same universe. And actually, you know, when you see all the pictures of Forrest Gump, like with the president and stuff, there's one of him sort of taking on Somalians on a ship. Yeah, yeah. Or him landing a plane, you know, because Tom Hanks played that big pilot.

32:48Yeah.

32:49Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah, or him being sort of a... If you break it down, like Forrest Gump could have done all the stuff that fucking all the other characters Tom Hanks did. Tom Hanks did, yeah. Yeah. yeah like maybe arguably i'd say the hoodie's probably the trick woody's probably tricky yeah actually even philadelphia i think could have been him voice come but obviously you know been the end of you know what i mean yeah and the spoiler alert but obviously the end of that movie is very sad yeah it's not really a spoiler is it well i'm saying if you haven't seen it you're gonna watch over the christmas holidays probably actually not a good question i would say actually if I was sitting down to think when is the best time to settle down and watch Philadelphia I don't think it'd be sort of it's one of my favourite ever movies yeah sure but it's not a mid to late December put the fire on and tuck into a mince pile watching Philadelphia is it it is heartbreaking yeah I still think about it it's a bit of a palette cleanser after that what do you think should we get put Shinnes this on yeah get that on Tom Hanks isn't in that is he he is he's right in the background on one of the scenes yeah playing Goebbels oh go wolves

34:02anyway how have you been uh good mate it's been an up and down week on the baby it's been great we've just we had grace's birthday party at the house yesterday which was an insane thing to be to have you know 50 old guests at the house um 50 it's yeah it's insane like the kids and parents i get that 50 yeah it was mad on the concert you know people coming and going throughout the day throughout the whole day yeah it was gonna start 11 people turned up at half 10 and it went on people left the house at about half six seven that's i mean i'm sorry but that's on you and that's no no it is yeah i mean yeah it was a very we hosting at your house essentially now I'm like the house is there's cake pops that have been trod so hard into the floor and they've almost become grout it's like it's yeah did you go all did you go big on the catering I imagine

35:00Romesh Ranganathan:you did well this is where there's a bone of contention wrong okay I I had one big job through this right I sort of took it upon myself but I was like I want to organize the birthday cake the centerpiece of everything sure I will be in charge of getting the cake Catherine was like okay i was very very excited to sort of begin what my daughter would probably the first cake that she ever remembers right so i got in touch with uh a person who'll go unnamed because and you'll see why because this story unfolds who who has a reputation for making incredible cakes right seeing the work always looks good so i i get in touch straight away i know this isn't sean coughlin because i can tell this i should have gone with sean coughlin uh i wish i wish i had yeah you don't know anybody that uh is involved in baking this the reason i went with this one is it was far away from where i'm working film wise for one film now i'm thinking about sean coffer will be better because my mom and dad live like five minutes from a shop and it doesn't matter doesn't matter we all make mistakes i know no this is the mistake that i'm gonna live i i i'm very much in a lot yeah it could have derailed the whole birthday this is what i asked for something along these ones.

36:08Can you see that?

36:09Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah, so that's sort of like a princess fairy kind of cake thing, right? With a sort of unicorn horn at the top, right? Donuts and sort of, yeah, cupcakes on the top of it. Yeah, got it. This is what arrives.

36:24Romesh Ranganathan:It's nice. It's nice. Is it? Yeah. What's wrong with that? Well, number one, it's nothing like the cake we'd all... No, let's get that out of the way. It's nothing like the cake you asked for. That's true. Yeah, don't get me wrong, but also... The colour palette is actually all a... I mean, I think that picture's actually far more... Just for people listening... It looks like a Halloween... If it had been a Halloween cake... You've ordered a cake with blues and pinks and yellows, and what you've got is a cake with oranges and browns. I find it insane that I'm at a place in my life where there's a theme, unicorn theme for the birthday.

37:02I was very clear to the baker that it was a unicorn theme. so talk me through that so when did you order this cake like two weeks ago two weeks ago and and what did you say what was the specification of it it's my daughter's birthday you know we're having a unicorn themed birthday party it'd be amazing to have a cake made like a bespoke cake made for this and where did you get that original photo from uh reddit i'm not reddit um i was the one you get pictures of god my brain's gone i don't know pinterest pinterest yeah there we go so see so this isn't and i'd run it past katherine and me and katherine had discussed it i'm like this is what i'm going you're getting a bit aggy now as you tell this no no no no because

37:43Romesh Ranganathan:i'm not but i'm saying as a friend you're just getting a little bit okay anyway go on it's very triggering because so i so i wasn't like the cake gets delivered right and i wasn't there right okay so i get i get a picture of the cake from katherine sure and what's what's what's the caption with the picture? Is this what you asked for? Simon? No, it is. I don't think there's even a cap caption. I don't think immediately. I see from my looks nothing like what we wanted. Can you send me her number? Oh, God. So she's taken this. She's actually taken this job off you. Yeah. I said, Oh, my God, this looks completely different.

38:23I said, What's the rest of it look like? And then she just goes quiet on that. And yeah. And then

38:29Romesh Ranganathan:basically the reason she's gone quiet is because she's partly blaming you oh no she's massively blaming it and then basically what katherine did because katherine's very incredible at these things is katherine then says i'm just gonna have to bake a cake myself and then bakes a cake that looks a lot better than than the one that we paid a decent amount of money to have a bespoke cake made for a fucking four-year-old which the con in the catapult i mean if you don't if you don't remember me saying there's a lot to unpack here generally but yeah but i think let's deal with the one issue that we're dealing with here, which is that the cake didn't look like the one.

38:59Romesh Ranganathan:I think the fact is, I wanted a nice cake, because she'd asked for a unicorn, and to be fair, we could have just thrown a unicorn on top of the cake. It's a strong argument, you could have just got a regular cake and put a toy unicorn on it, and she wouldn't have known any different. But anyway, I was, do you know what? You were lying 50 people around, and you wanted to show off to the neighbours, I get it. I think it's more of the fact that, and not to make you feel like a piece of shit, I feel very fucking guilty for the fact I've been away from the house for two weeks, and I feel like... I don't feel bad, it might surprise you to know it's not made me feel bad at all but anyway go on i felt very gutted that i'd not been around and i thought i'll wake up to a bye-bye or getting a really nice cake uh which will make to be fair she didn't really care about either of the cakes i know about the boys but when there's presence around us all she really cared about is open presence every 25 seconds yeah um and just go through anyway uh the cake then became a massive joke uh because katherine had told people about how bad the cake was i tried to hide the cake uh and then my mum who was drunk uh found it um where did you put it i i plugged it away in one of our in another room where you no one should have gone in it was just yeah so my mum's found it she's come in she nearly dropped it where she was so drunk um which actually had done me a favor and then people saw i said look you know yeah it doesn't look what i'd ask for i still think it looks okay and yeah it looks in the photo it looks quite nice yeah yeah yeah and then there's the pole i mean it's just not at all what we wanted no and then people tried to say cake and that's when another battery came because it tasted disgusting oh no it was absolutely vulgar it was it was like it tasted like someone said it has a consistency of cheese and tastes like off biscuits no that sounds all right it was just not a good look so now i think i've got one i'm down in one in the hole i need to really open like for for next year i need to be back bang on it really well i mean you know first of all if if you were sending this email in yeah i'd love to i'd love to proffer you some advice if that's okay hit me with some advice um the first thing I would say is the idea of I understand the reasons for you wanting to get a nice birthday cake for your daughter because you've been away.

41:17Romesh Ranganathan:And I understand that it's a totally normal human reaction. And I myself have been, you know, not guilty of that. But I have been, you know, somebody who's trying to compensate for being away with work. But you know, I think there's an argument that you should be kind to yourself. The reason that you're away is because you're trying to provide for your you know for your family and so you shouldn't feel a guilt what you know if you're feeling bad about being away then that's something you need to think about going forward in terms of how you achieve a work-life balance but you certainly shouldn't be turning up thinking I've got to compensate for that you're a great dad you do wonderful things the way you talk about your daughter is beautiful the way you devote your time to your daughter is beautiful so don't ever feel like you know she's very lucky to have you she won't realize she is because kids aren't supposed to, they're not supposed to walk around going, oh my God, I've been so blessed with these parents.

42:05Romesh Ranganathan:That's not what they're supposed to do. So, you know, first of all, I'd say that. The second thing is like you tried. You tried to get a nice cake and it didn't work out. And at the end of the day, did Grace turn around to you and say, that cake was horrible, it's ruined my birthday? No, but quite a lot of the people who tried it said... But that does... But they're irrelevant. they're irrelevant yeah but no no no and you know what she had an amazing birthday and she there you go so so you wanted your daughter to have an amazing birthday and she has had an amazing birthday so actually you're you're experiencing disappointment for something that you don't need to she had a great by the way i should say that this is like a prelude because it's not her birthday to the 14th of december but the way that the nursery works no can i just say that there was the way that the nursery has worked is there's we got in really late with when to have the birthday party so i don't know if you've had this situation where it seems like everybody's fucking got a birthday and they blocked him weekends yeah yeah we've actually you know i said fucking hell we've done exactly and then you're like oh shit like we need to give her a birthday party but so-and-so's locked in that weekend there is a weekend of her birthday someone else is locked in that weekend so the only available weekend was this one so she thinks that she she's four because we've tried to explain to her that she isn't but she's had a birthday party and we're like no because we didn't get in quick enough on your actual birthday so you're out there she's not gonna you can't expect her to understand she's yeah she now walks around like she's four telling people that she's she's a four-year-old which is well she's not drinking or anything is she no no but she started smoking okay yeah Yeah.

43:49Romesh Ranganathan:What are you going to do? I mean, she's only a couple of weeks early, to be fair to her. It is a bizarre thing. By the way, the woman with the cake, I messaged her, was very polite. I was like, this isn't what I've asked for. And she was like, I don't copy other people's designs. And I was like, I get that. I understand that completely. That's fine. But this is nothing. I was quite clear about it being a unicorn party. Can I just see the picture of the cake again, please? Do you mind? i've got to be honest with you i think you've been given a needlessly hard time about this i mean the cheese the cheese biscuit thing i can't really comment on but hmm i mean that's look i would say my biggest issue there is that i can't see anything unicorny about that cake versus that yeah yeah and i mean ironically that for the first one you show me looks easier to do yeah that's what i thought but and also just just yeah banging unicorn on it but when you say out close it does look like it was left over from halloween there's like well look waste not want not oh yeah i mean it has been wasted i mean unless i eat it all because i'm the only person who's sort of feasibly at the moment have you tried it yeah i've tried it yeah i tried i ate and how was it how was it that it was disgusting but i was eating it but no no sorry i i think you've got yourself into a bit of a narrative here no cake is disgusting Oh, it was a disgusting cake.

45:14Romesh Ranganathan:It's very hard to have a... Cakes are not disgusting. They might be mid. They might be a bit shit. They're not disgusting. It was low and mid. No, let me just say the texture of a cake, right? It was very unfluffy. It was very sort of like solid. It was a heavy old bit of cake. So it's a dense crumb. Yeah, hence the comparison to cutting cheese. Okay. Right? And then flavor-wise, it just tasted a bit... Eh. I will tell you. Like, if you had it side by side with the Colin the Caterpillar, and this is, I think, the Colin the Caterpillar, I mean, the inception bit of cake, Colin the Caterpillar. You'll not taste fast Colin the Caterpillar, is it?

45:53Well, up against this cake, it absolutely smashed it. Mm. Mm.

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47:31How are you, my brother? How are you, my G? Let's go.

47:35Romesh Ranganathan:I am pretty good. I've taken to doing a few pranks I actually Oh wow Well I've got a baker friend that was doing A kid's birthday No I'm really good man I'm trying to think I've been working on the play Rehearsing the play Do you want to do a shout out by the way Because it's nearly sold out by the play I've got no idea Woman in mind At the Duke of York's theatre Previews start Oh my god a week tomorrow no is it week tomorrow maybe yeah two weeks two weeks two weeks the 18th and then and then the actual thing starts in january we go through to whenever then we do a week in Glasgow week in Sunderland so um but yeah that's been really good fun um I went to see Nick Helm last night oh actually sorry sorry before before any of that I went to uh I did the Radio 2 show yesterday day tom fletcher was in oh he's lovely yeah he's written all the songs for the paddington musical yeah i saw him at uh the royal variety and uh well first of all i think i'm almost certainly going to see that musical i mean it sounds yeah i mean it may i saw a bit of it at the royal variety and it was also i had to follow it by the way it was the paddington musical ripping the room apart and then the hot ladling of tom davis crap well i can i can give you an insight into a raw variety, Tom, where when Rob Beckett and I were hosting, I was asked to do four minutes of stand-up to cover the stage people deconstructing and putting up some scaffolding for the next act.

49:14Romesh Ranganathan:So I sort of delivered four minutes of stand-up over some sort of drilling and some wood sort of being falling down and getting lifted. And I've got to be honest with you, I think if they'd have taken away the stand-up and just had the sounds of the drilling and stuff, it would have had a better gig. Bob Fletcher, by the way, he opened for Paddington, and he's a really lovely young man. He's a really nice guy. But it did make me think about, I then started talking to the team, and it made me very proud, because I always get this line wrong, but I talked about the fact that Paddington 2, I think, is one of the greatest films of all time.

49:49Romesh Ranganathan:And I'm not just saying that because you were in it, but isn't it, what is it your line when you're looking at the, do you remember what the line is when you're looking at it? What is it? Yeah, good luck, it was all bad. good luck little bear good luck little bear oh mate come on it's so good that bit's so good anyway we started talking about that then we went for the there we went to our team Christmas lunch wow early baby yeah yeah I don't know what because of the play it was meant I can't I can't do it any later than that yeah so um and we went to Tom Kerridge's Bar and Grill at the Corinthian your favourite beautiful lovely place delightful really good three courses of vegan fun for me they had steak and stuff but really good really good then finally after that i went to see oh no actually i did a couple of podcast bits and then i uh went to see nick helm live in concert he is uh he's an incredible way to go and watch live right yeah well i'm slightly loathe to sort of big him up on the podcast at the moment because his tour's just finished i went to see the last night of the tour i think i think it's done but um it was amazing like really good you know like um and i hope you don't mind me saying this but you know i'll stand up even though you and i've got different we've got similar humans in some way but different humans another way in terms of our stand-up is not yeah it's not the same is it um but it is the same in terms of like ostensibly yeah it's kind of nick helm's just like what what the fuck is that man it's like it's completely well he just it's just all he's always been like that yeah yeah it's amazing so brave and like incredible he like i remember like first seeing him so many years ago and just being blown away by like the energy that he just brings to when he said gig and also just the the choices he'd make creatively to sort of push the envelope it sort of made me feel very lazy every time that i'd pick up a microphone and go oh hello oh yeah i mean there's a place for that and look i loved your seat routine from back in the day but i i i just think it's like you you watch him and he's like he's very difficult to very difficult to follow why did you throw a ball across the room like something you know what you look like you know in the middle of a film where a guy's sort of reminiscing about how good things are then he skims the stone that's how i felt yeah that was the energy with which you threw that and he looks across the line a level life good life yeah you know what i think it has still get a great stand-up that's one of the best endings to a stand-up show i've ever seen um yeah that was fucking incredible that was an end of the blue my mind jt can you cut all that out please don't don't don't jt keep it uh but yeah apart from that i've been good i've been really good man although one of the things that i've i've uh got a little bit of problem with and i think it's like the drop in temperature or something like that my eating is out of control now yes i am in deep deep shit i mean as i speak to you now lisa the swan is putting together one of her infamous sunday roasts right i've already eaten so much food bro like what you're supposed to do is pace yourself and then know that you've got this big meal coming down the road no but you know what it is just relax a bit you're you're getting ready to hibernate mate yeah but i'm not gonna hibernate this is what i'm saying the cold is killing your cold is just popping away at your your your energy stores so you need that to get through a day baby i'm i'm nervous man i am eating like a animal are you working you know i've i've my i've since i've been doing this job i've worked out twice yeah it's it's it's i find it really hard because um obviously like i find the rehearsing for the play really tough and i know that your sitcom's quite not challenging but you know any sitcoms yeah but um and then you think i've got to you and i are both sort of people that need to exercise in order to stay on top of our kind of yeah mental stuff right but then when when you get up so i'm leaving a maybe quarter to eight in the morning to to to go to work right to go and do these rehearsals for this play and i and i'm trying to get up but it's cold and so in order for me to get up and then also have time to get ready i'm probably looking at getting up just before six o 'clock in the morning right to fit a workout in and then a couple of times i've planned to do it i've gone to bed thinking i'm gonna do it right yeah that's okay and then i've woke up in the morning i've gone oh fuck that i'm just gonna have another fuck that fuck that i'm gonna have another hour in bed and then i get up feeling terrible about i just go into work feeling really guilty about the fact i've already had a failure for the day and you shouldn't think like that it's the wrong way no but it's do you know what i'm getting picked up every morning at 6 30 so this week i was like you know what i felt quite you know we talked about mental health and me and you talked privately about our heads and i've struggled been struggling a bit here and there so i was like you know what i'm one of the things i'm gonna get up on monday uh but i'll get picked up at 6 30 so i'll get up at half five and do a workout in my room i got up at half five did a workout for 40 minutes showered yeah Yeah, no, but this is the thing.

54:58And then I've got like a very, very boring thing. You know, you picked up at 6.30, filming day finishes at 7 o 'clock in the evening, right? By half four, I'm fucked. I know, that's the problem. That's the problem. You're done. Yeah, I think people assume filming, filming certain things up, man, certain things you do is very easy. And then other stuff.

55:24Romesh Ranganathan:League of their own, for example, I wouldn't describe that as a challenging day. no it's yeah it's great but but this is this is a lot of dialogue and it's very very the pressure of it it's weather i mean i'm fucking loving it it's one of my favorite jobs i've done but it it's it's a push right so you get to that time and then i decided to do it on tuesday because i was then i thought oh maybe i'll just get up at court like quarter two and then just do a sort of 25 minute one and it felt the same so then i'm like i just need and then i'm then you got prioritized sleep it's a fucking insane yeah yeah i had that i worked out i got i got up and uh the swan very kindly got up with me um and joined me for a workout so we had a little workout together and then um and then i got into work and then i was sat watching one of the other scenes being rehearsed knowing that i was up next i barely was barely awake

56:16Romesh Ranganathan:they called me over and i've got to i've got to suddenly shake myself into the room and it's so counterproductive because then i'm like i've eaten that like i've trained so then like i'm hungry i'm at we're filming in the cold so i then eat like fucking biscuits crisps i know do you know what annoys me is that you sort of see these like um uh like hear these like junior doctors and like nurses and stuff and they're all banging on about you know teachers banging on how tough they've got it you just sort of think what you know like i tell you what try fucking doing a play rehearsal and not being sure whether you should work out or not.

56:55Romesh Ranganathan:And, you know, overeating slightly in your lunch breaks. Try that. Well, overeating slightly would be being kind. No, when I say overeating slightly, I mean overeating slightly for a hippopotamus. Similar diet. Smashing whole fucking watermelons and pumpkins down my fucking throat. See, but at least that's healthy. I'm eating like four bags of walkers in this thing there's a place next door to my uh next door to the thing that does like loads of vegan treats it's just disgusting oh wow that's almost like they picked up for you especially then i know well no i don't think they did it was just an unhappy coincidence but it's been an absolute it's been an absolute disaster um anyway luckily the rest of today will be essentially me gorging myself like a point where lisa looks across and says are you okay a lot of people after a roast dinner stay conscious I know you do it differently I'll eat that hug today hug it up right Tomo it's about that time IG would you like to wrap the ting up yo friends loved ones hmm what is baseball home runs wow incredible free throws yeah you got it looking for the stars sometimes hitting them in the base i got this no you don't i cut you out adulation moments of free spirits but in the end it comes down to something bigger comes down to being a member of a team that's where i fall apart sometimes let the name goes a wolf a lone one at that but sometimes you need to be bit something something bigger.

58:40Sometimes you need the warm consideration of a few team members going, hey, we've got you. We know what you're about. Hey, you can do this. Hey, we've got you. I guess that's the thing. Sometimes in life, it's good to walk alone. There's lonely footsteps across the sand. And other times, it's pretty great to look back across the sand and see that you've been running with a whole group of people that you needed at that time. Life can change. Seasons flutter from one to another. Autumn becomes winter. Winter becomes green. You know how it works. My point is this. Yes, sometimes you need some time.

59:18Just a little bit of quietness. A little break from the noise. But sometimes you need the noise. So what I'm saying is check in on yourself. Don't be concerned that when you need the noise, you need to go and ask for it. But also, don't be too worried if at times you need the quiet to ask for that too. Go well, friends. Be good. And remember, you're loved.

59:44Romesh Ranganathan:Really nice. JT, by the way, I know that a lot of people say that sometimes I pick really hard hip hop tunes. I'm about to do that right now. There's a group called Clips. The Clips. Clips? And it's not The Clips. it's Clips. And they put an album a while ago called Let God Sort Them Out. It's just amazing. But I was looking through like some playlist and there's a song that Pusha T and Malice from Clips did with Labyrinth. You know Labyrinth who did Earthquake? Yes. Yeah, absolutely. It's one of my favourite song ever, Beneath Your Beautiful. So crispy. It's called I Pray For You. So JT, could you play us out with a little bit of that?

1:00:21Romesh Ranganathan:No. Thank you so much for listening to The Wolf for now. It actually was, for you, an hour episode. For us, about an hour and a half because I've got to be honest with you, some of the pre chats on the Wolf and Owl are, you know what we should do, we should start recording those. Then one day when we're ready to bring this to an end, we should get to, to, to, to, to, to, uh, I've got very exciting news that I haven't, that Tom and I have been talking about that I'm going to deliver to you now. Next week's episode is an email special. So if you want your email read out on this podcast, wolfowlpod at gmail.com we are doing nothing but I bet there'll be a little bit of pre-chat probably won't it probably going for about an hour and then we'll have to close it off again but the intention is to do an email special if you've got a problem you want some advice you want to tell a funny story you want to give us some feedback whatever it is wolfowlpod at gmail.com and we will read badaboom okay thanks guys love you au revoir au revoir really do you see the phoenix rise from the ash

1:01:51Romesh Ranganathan:If you have a problem, opinion, feedback, or anything at all, please email us at wolfowlpod at gmail.com. That's wolfowlpod at gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you, mainly because we don't have any content ideas. Thank you. Good energy in. Good energy out.

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