Top Pastry Choices, Friendship And Beard Tips

0:03Yo, yo what you want, beak or jaws, feathers or fur, sharp teeth or feet with claws, whatever's preferred. Just kidding, every word in this song's about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog.

0:14Romesh Ranganathan:Yo, welcome to the email special. What time is it, Rom? It's email special time. It's email time. It's email time. It's email time on the wall for now. do you it's email time i don't i don't want to go it's email time do you ever think it's email time i'm the world for now whatever happened to chico it's email time isn't he from crawley yeah he is i think he's still in crawley what i i i remember seeing a clip of him on that what's that jimmy car is it i'm i literally just told you or something it's called isn't it that show that he did on channel four and they had chico on there and then he said i'm sorry you're not famous enough to be on here on the celebrity no it was a joke oh and then chico walked off and i think it was like it was a memory test but that's the last thing i saw him on because that thing when he used to do it was it's chico time yeah it used to be like did you like that yeah there was an era around then where you just sort of think what the fuck's like x when x factor was really you know that what was his other wagner what the fuck was going on yeah but it was almost a more gentle time like just like people abroad go have you seen what's number one in the uk chico time it got to number one.

1:24Mate, and the cheeky girls. One of them brought down Parliament.

1:27Romesh Ranganathan:Touch my bum. This is life. When we were first breaking through, these guys, Jedward? Yeah. I mean, Jedward actually have got a bit of, you know, they've got a bit about them. Or you got them on the radio this week. No. No, but I do think... I'd love you to do a single with Chico, like a rap with Chico time. Yeah. Can he rap? I don't know. What is he doing now? I don't know why I'm getting so many follow-up questions. Yeah, but he lives in Crawley. So do you? ask me anything about anybody that lives in Crawley you're two of the biggest names from Crawley I don't know what he's in now, shall we find out it's insane that your paths haven't crossed his name's Chico Slimani I think yeah Chico Slimani he's a fitness and wellness guru oh wow do you follow him?

2:08Romesh Ranganathan:arguably gone on to do the only thing that you can think is worse than his music career can I just say it would mean a lot to him if you followed him and gave him a bit of a props and tried to big him up as someone from your area that'll go down a lot really well I think yeah we can snip can't we okay shall we do some emails Tommy yeah okay I'd love one to be from Chico I'll go first if you want sure hi Roman Tom how do you know this is not about bereavement okay yeah okay I've really got to stop that hi Roman Tom relatively new listener to the podcast and now I can't stop listening I can't believe I didn't know about this podcast I didn't know this podcast existed before because I was such a big fan of Murder and Successful I reckon I do my DIY sleep voice once a week Rom is okay too why am I so this happens to me on both the podcasts I do yeah I'm a punching bag on this one and I'm a punching bag on my own one because you're the big name yeah but what I'm not the big name people think you need to be brought down to earth I think fucking hell that's more patronizing guys I'm a person yeah guys can you I am a fuck no don't don't give Rom his props no don't your favourite moment from TV please don't Things he's done that make you laugh and chuckle.

3:21Please don't. Gaffors. Please don't. Moments that have made you cry. Anyway, let's not make this about me. Carry on. I was hoping to get your advice about something. My best friend and I have lived together for the past five years. But over the next few months, we'll both be moving in with our girlfriends. While we're both excited about this in the next chapter, I think we're also a little nervous about what it means for our friendship. Living together has given us a nice level of... I'm adding words. Given us a level of closeness that's hard to replicate. when you're no longer sharing a home.

3:51I think we both care deeply about maintaining the friendship, but we're unsure what it will look like going forward and how intentional we'll need to be about making time for each other. I worry if we're not careful, we'll end up letting the friendship fall by the wayside. Do you have any advice on how to navigate this transition and maintain a close friendship after going our separate ways? Thanks so much, the Bumbling Bear. Bumbling Bear.

4:18Romesh Ranganathan:Have you lived with a friend like that? I knew you, but not since then. Bubbling Bear, your best friend sounds like an absolute legend, and you sound okay too. Oh, one in a clip. No, I'm only joking. Well, I do have some thoughts, actually. Do you want to go first? Oh, yeah. I think in life, naturally, these things as you progress. When I met Catherine, I was living with a mate. And if I'm honest, it was a very good friend. But I do think naturally as you change and, you know, I think you have to throw everything into the fact you're in a new relationship or you're in a relationship with someone that you're making a home with and hopefully a home that you're going to be staying in for the long term.

5:07And I think for both of you, that has to almost be the priority. And I think if your friendship's strong enough, I think it will just evolve into being sort of a slightly different thing. I think you'll actually have that space away. So seeing less of each other, the time that you do have together will be that little bit more special. I think by the sounds of things, you've got someone that is going through the same thing as you are at the same time. So actually that's, you know, you're both moving out. You're both with these new people. So I think you'll have someone to lean on and discuss and check in on each other and see how you're getting on.

5:39And I think the worry about things not always staying the same isn't necessarily a thing to actually put too much emphasis i think growth is great and i think both of you growing as young men and and evolving as human beings is a good thing and i think as long as you're always having those conversations you're sticking around you're checking in on each other you i think your friendship will grow stronger um more than anything else and that's my point when i first moved in with katherine i think i lost sight of that a little bit when with the person I've been I got to we both moved out a similar situation and I think we actually drifted away apart uh drifted apart and we're sort of back chatting a lot now um and that's just a nice thing but I think you you can fall into a trap of of not keeping an eye on it so whilst I think anything like you're going through now is great I think moving forward is brilliant it's also just

6:34Romesh Ranganathan:yeah always just paying Jews back to your friendship uh bumbling bear um I think that um like it's it's quite I think it's like quite a unique situation to be like when you're when you're living with somebody you do get really super close yeah right and then what happens is is your friendship and it's not an easy thing your friendship isn't going to be the same because you were forced together by circumstance i mean you chose to live together but what i mean is then you're seeing each other all the time and that it happens by default that you're seeing each other loads yeah and now that's not happening and so actually you know it is going to change inevitably it's going to change obviously because you're moving on to different parts of your life but i i think you're right i think you if you want to keep that friendship going then you make sure you keep in touch and you stay on top of those things i feel like because my original thought was like let it take care of itself because if you want to meet up with each other you will meet up with each other but the truth is i want to meet up with you all the time and vice versa and because we're not on it as much as we could be and so it doesn't happen as often as we'd like but that doesn't mean i don't want to meet up with you it's just you get carried away with other things so i think your thing about you know keeping an eye on it and going we haven't actually we actually haven't hung out for a while sometimes i end up in friendships where the other person is much better at that than me i don't know if you ever have this and then they'll go we haven't seen each other for ages let's link up i'm not very good at it so i would say bumbling bear try and be on that and if both of you sort of say to each other let's make sure we keep in touch rob and i have to do this quite a bit because i when we're filming together we see each other all the time and then we don't sort of need to link up and then when we've got a period where we're not filming with each other for ages we have to make sure not make sure but you know you sort of go let's make sure we do not make sure but let's make sure fucking kill me fucking dickhead anyway something for me to worry about later um the point i'm trying to make is you have to make an effort you know to i like it when you show those little sides to yourself what little side yeah i mean it's happening to be fair it's happening in my head all the time.

8:48Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah, but it shows you're not in front of me. Very rarely do I let it. I think this is the thing you need to do more. Okay. Show you. You're vulnerable there. I will do. It's good. Fuck. For decades, a shadowy organisation called the Lemonati has kept Lemon on top and lime in the shadows. Look around. Lemon forward sodas, even Lemon forward songs. We ran the tracks, slowed them down, reversed them and squeezed out the truth. All hail for lemon! That's lemon propaganda right there. But now, 7up is fighting back with their new lime lemon soda. Join the 7up rising. Flip the sip. Sierra has all the best active and outdoor brands for the super athletic stuff, like running gear for cruising up the trail.

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10:01Romesh Ranganathan:the pod i was down the pub the other day and as you do me and my mates had a dispute over the top five pastries and things got heated. Obviously there's puff, filo, short crust, shoe, Danish flaky, all with reasons to be top of the list. The puff versus short crust decision was particularly divisive. As Tom is one of the UK's most trusted voices when it comes to food opinions, along with Romesh providing balance and reason, I believe you'll both definitely have a take on the top five ranking. Hope this isn't too controversial to air. Thanks Matt. Have they given us their top five? Puff, short crust, shoe, Danish flaky.

10:34Romesh Ranganathan:So I don't get this. if that's their top five well that's at six they've given there isn't it yeah uh what's your top five then and why well i think philo they've been very very kind to if that is if this is their top five in order philo's shit yeah let's just get that out of the way it's shit there's a lot of i i i think flaky's incredible but i i would be going puff pastry all day long great place to have puff pastry at the top. Really? By the way, they're fucking, you've been in the baking business. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I've not really been in the baking business. Yeah, but. A company existed for 100 years.

11:13Romesh Ranganathan:I got involved and it shut down. It's the basic summary. But I would say, short crust is your staple, right? Yeah. That's like a good centre back. You build a team. I like short crust. I love short crust. I love, yeah, I really like short crust yeah like I really like short crust yeah like I love short crust wow I like I'm a big fan of short crust this is yeah the most invested I've heard you in anything uh puff so filo can get the fuck off filo can fuck off I go short crust we can agree top yes yeah I really like short crust yeah Jesus Christ um puff number two yeah I'll go puff it's a durable it's great on the basis I think anything with puff pastry is nice yeah I'm going to go.

11:57Marmite puffs. Yeah. Cheese and Marmite puffs.

12:00Romesh Ranganathan:Flaky three? Yeah. Yeah. Danish is good. Danish, mate. I would say shoe and phyllo. I keep shoeing above phyllo. Yeah. I think shoe pastry is wonderful. But shoe is kind of. Shoe's, by the way. Shoe's got to be on top of its game to mix in and amongst the others. Yeah. But also shoe is, you know, everything with shoe pastry pretty much has cream with it or something sweet and delicious. So it's, yeah. it flies up the rankings she was helped by its partner philo is the biggest as if you believe online I am in every partnership I'm involved in wrong wrong can I say by the way what kind of pastry is a samosa it's flaky no I think it's flaky yeah oh I love samosas mmm so I could eat I could eat 100 samosas in a sitting in a sitting if I sat yeah what the fuck are you talking about I fucking love samosas.

12:56Romesh Ranganathan:100 samosas? Yeah, like little ones, yeah. You could not eat 100 samosas? In a day, yeah. Okay, now you're... If we keep talking about this, will this become a week? Right. No, in a day, easy. I reckon, no, in an afternoon. In a day, you can eat 100 samosas. In a day, I could, easy. I'd be okay. What is it? Lovely vegetables? Yeah. Yeah. 100 samosas in a day? How big? Those little ones, the nice little ones you get in the restaurants. The little ones? 100 3 of those is probably 1 big samosa or 4 maybe 5 yeah could you eat 25 big samosas like easy in a day probably yeah maybe you could yeah 5 for breakfast yeah no I get how the numbers work but it's more like how full up you'll be yeah how would you tackle it imagine you've got 100 today if for a million pounds you've got to eat 100 samosas in a day just put it in my bank now you're about to fucking be amazed.

13:55Romesh Ranganathan:We've got to see you eat this most. Okay, cool. I'll probably have five for breakfast. Five for breakfast. Five mid-morning. Oh no, three mid-morning. Three mid-morning. Yeah, that's right. It's best to keep it down. Lunch I can, I could probably bang out seven. Okay. So how many have we eaten now? I think 15. Okay. Oh, easy luck work boy. Three mid-afternoon. Yeah. Right. And then probably another... You've got a heavy evening ahead of you. No, another seven for dinner. Right. 25. No. We're talking about... Is it 100? Yeah. No, these are the big ones. Right. So how many are the small ones? Oh, small.

14:30I fucking know. Now you ask me to do proper maths. Something like that. Five for breakfast. Five. We're saying five. So 15. Yeah. 15 for breakfast. Yeah. I think. Fucking hell. Anyway, you could do it. Fucking let's move on. It's fucking light work. The Lemonati has spent decades keeping lemon on top and lime in the shadows. Their lemon agenda has infiltrated everything, even our music. That hit song named after the color of lemons? Not a coincidence. Big Lemon has been pulling strings in the industry for years. Think about it. But now, 7up is fighting back with their new lime lemon soda. Now lime comes first.

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16:01Romesh Ranganathan:yourself you're doing a lot of the idris elba stuff no i had there was an interest over routine in my yeah i know yeah and now you've got the thing on the podcast yeah yeah yeah good guy you've met him you've had a thing with it yeah yeah cool cool guy we we saw each other regularly for a while he's yeah by the way every time I think of Idris I just feel well he's so fucking cool yeah okay in which he told me to fuck off oh sounds like one of my classic bits of crowd work which I hold fondly in my heart that is by the way I think people like that if you do that to them I know but it's just when you see it written down like that you just think what a load of shit yeah but you're probably you're in the weeds of it then aren't you yeah I guess so anyway go on my husband's 44th birthday Happy birthday.

16:46And family holiday to Cornwall is coming up. Love Cornwall. And my husband desperately needs some modern attire. Clothing. When I asked him about what he already has to build upon, he told me his swimming shorts are more than a decade old. Ten years. You've probably answered this a hundred times over. Century. When shopping for summer or holiday clothes, where do you start? The shops. I could easily go out and buy him a bunch of white T-shirts and navy shorts. In my white tee. But feel like he could do it a bit more contemporary. Modernize. Which I know you guys must have. He actually likes all colors.

17:24That's nice. Doesn't look old before his time. Hello, granddad. Trying to be too hard or too young. Thanks in advance, the stumped serval.

17:35Romesh Ranganathan:What do you think of my little ad libs? I enjoyed it. I don't know what she'll feel. Because what actually you were doing to her is heckling her email. Oh, yeah. Like she heckled you. it's almost like a bit of revenge. Oh, sorry, I didn't mean, that wasn't the reason I was doing that song. It felt like it could have been a rummy revenge. Yeah, I wouldn't have done that if it was real serious. That's what everyone in comedy talks of, the rummy revenge, when my friend and Nathan goes, I will destroy thee.

18:02Romesh Ranganathan:Do you know the thing that you do more in this podcast more than any other? What? Which is where you said something that you think is funny. You know what? It's the equivalent of like when they say something funny on Mock the Week and they take a sip of water. You know why I do it? Dara O 'Brien does it. After he's done like a funny run. Does he really? Yeah. I do it because I find, I do it when I laugh a lot when you do it. Yeah, I know. But also your face and how you react to things always just makes me laugh more than anything else. I think you find it funnier than anyone else does though. Yeah, but it literally makes me, even when I'm watching you on TV do things, it makes me laugh so much.

18:39just because when you're doing the look like you're doing now, for a lot of people, I just think there's so much going on that it just makes me look like you're literally... And it's a bit like a scary dog. You don't kind of know which way it's going to go.

18:53Romesh Ranganathan:Right. If you're with an XL bully in a cell, you're like, oh, shit. Tell me what's happened in the run-up to that. Well, you've both been arrested for different crimes. Right. And they put an XL bully and a human in a cell together. Yeah, but it's short on space. Yeah. So like, right. Can you get arrested by the dog catcher as well? I know what you're going to say. This is a bloody weird situation. This is Kiefer. He's a bloody XL buddy. You know, just, you know, I don't know what he's like, but he's bit three people. So, yeah. And if he's setting up, you're like, how do I tread best here?

19:35Romesh Ranganathan:Okay. Holiday wardrobe refresh. I actually think you are best placed to do this because I think your holiday wardrobe game is better than mine, actually. You're joking? No. I mean, it's sad I won't be able to see this year. That's not faux humility for me either. I genuinely mean that. I would say... You love a linen, don't you? Yeah, I do. I do. I think the crux of this email isn't really about the summer. It's more about finding something that works for you as a look in general. Like you have found... I've got a friend of mine, very, very fashionable guy, cool guy loves his clothes he's like he was talking about you the other day he's like Romesh has really found a look now he's got a really good he looks cool in everything he does he's got a look that works for him and I think that's the thing but what you would wear me and you probably a bit more crossover because we're into similar sort of stuff but like sex Ben is a look and it works for him yeah it's good Ben yeah but it's a very specific look guy dresses really well yeah but a guy's got a look and I think I think you've got to fight so and I think the worst thing you can do is and I've been capable of doing this is rapidly change up and just go Ben's look which suits Ben I tried this look it doesn't look good for Tom Davis the worst thing you can do is buy things on the basis of like thinking I'm going to rapidly change everything you have to have a look I think that goes across the year and it's you have staples of like okay this thing works for me that thing works for me and I think the worst thing you can do is ebb and change all the time and then have a wardrobe that's just fast you want bits that you can go to quite quickly and go okay this that t-shirt hold looks well yeah an over shirt looks not whatever and i think a lot of that is just finding people that you similar body shapes or whatever or how you carry yourself i think how you're feeling every day day today is a way you you portray that for in your clothing right i mean at the moment if i'm very uncomfortable because i've accidentally brought a box t-shirt so it's not long enough so my stomach keeps on wanting to come out it won't be obviously the last time I ever wear a boxed t-shirt it's something I saw someone wear and go oh that would look cool it's cool if you've got a six pack doesn't it look very good if you've got a big hairy gut hanging out from under it looks good if you're fucking in the 1980s fucking film or a remake and someone goes that's a tone tummy Homer Simpson wouldn't look good in it so my point is but you I think so I think it's going out I think and also it's enjoying the process of finding things that you'd like to wear and it's about feeling good in it.

22:04I think it's about feeling good for yourself. It's about feeling good for your partner. And I think it's going out and just, yeah. So if he's had his swimming shorts for 10 years, I think, you know, I would love to go out with this guy, by the way, shopping. Like I did for you with the shirt.

22:19Romesh Ranganathan:For the what? That shirt I brought you. Oh, yeah, it was great. By the way, you should wear more stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, I went to get Charlie from his play, his thing the other day. and I was wearing the shirt you got me you know what he said you are going to love this he said to me I think that's my favourite shirt of yours that you've got by the way you look great at that stuff you look great at the button up with the collar thanks bro and thank you for buying that for me I love you I think people need to make more effort with swim shorts yeah because I think people buy any old swim shorts and I think like length wise and like what you wear board shorts was the thing we used to joke about yeah you always used to wear board shorts which by the way have really come in now yeah I'm just essentially board shorts I've got now yeah but your swim shorts are not that length of I no much we I'm like that yeah yeah where are you I would say mid-time yeah mid-thigh short you got good legs by the way I don't you do actually have good legs I don't know the cycling the other day that's very sweet of you thank you you also told everybody that my ass crack was showing which is sweet of you can i say luckily he said it on camera can i say by the way yeah your shoulders are insane you have phenomenal shoulders right thank you you should really do what with them i don't know off the shoulder stuff why can't guys wear off the shoulder stuff that's a choice right women wear like you've got really sexy tattoos right you've got really nice shoulders why can't Romesh Ranganathan have a little dropped shoulder number that is the thing we should bring in there for now a shoulder like a shoulder cut off where you show a little bit of shoulder it's not too sexy it's a bit relaxed it's chilled I don't think I don't think we have to worry about it being too sexy no but you in a little off shoulder number and all of a sudden everyone's walking around you go oh fucking hell Beckham's all of a sudden in an off shoulder number that is something we've slept on this are there any off the shoulder men's clothing please this is this is an idea if it isn't next next episode of wolf and owl if i wore that are you fucking no no but that's not what i'm talking about i'm gonna make it for you yeah that's the bit okay great okay it's got to be a nice t-shirt i'm not talking about it being all tight a nice t-shirt little zip little cut there so you see your tattoos and you see your bulging shoulders your traps great traps people i genuinely think this could be a new dawn we should patent this I'm saying now I don't think we need to I'm saying now okay well in the next episode the shoulder drop t-shirt everyone's like honey I'm home it's like a new you great thank you how's and hoots to the wolf and owl and John oh John's actually not here today we've got Ben and Guy yeah and they're doing really well they're doing great they're doing great it's been a different I would say it's a different vibe in the room, isn't it?

25:25Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah, John gives off a cheeky sort of... And we don't know if any of this is actually recording. We knew we'd guy at the wheel. In an effort to keep myself attractive enough for my wife to keep me around, I've been going to the gym, getting haircuts and moisturising. But my Instagram is awash with hundreds of different ways to improve myself further, from body hair trimmers, beard spiky rollers, creams and potions. I wonder what advice a very dapper Wolf and I would have for head-to-toe manscaping for a model gentleman. Also, those spiky rollers. The same thing seems to be advertised as a beard growth stimulator for men or a face-plumping wrinkle remover for women.

25:57Romesh Ranganathan:Smells fishy to me. Have you used it? Have you used one? Which one did you get? Peace, Matt the Baconeco. I don't know what that is. Okay, well, we talked a bit about grooming routine. We talked a lot about it. Yeah, we have. Do you know what I've had to do? Shaved up my arms. How come? Because of the thing we had to do when we were in France. We did the waxing, yeah. They looked ridiculous. and actually quite like the fact that it was hairy now. Yeah. What would you think about going completely hairless? Yeah, I mean, you're not very hairy, though. No, that's true. I mean, I've been waxed all over.

26:30Romesh Ranganathan:Ben has mocked up a... what I might look like with a French crop and an off-the-shoulder number.

26:43Romesh Ranganathan:You look... You look quite sexy. You look sexy. Yeah, I mean, it needs more grey, probably, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. unless we unless we that's that that's the model picture we use yeah saving them anyway anyway um i've i'm like i i myself have tried most things i'm a real i'm an easy mark for the any anything on me too and anything where they go this will be your pubes with now or you're cutting the back with scissors still uh i've got a clippers pubis clippers pubis are they called pubis no they're not i'm just saying what are you what are you doing are you not i'm not a lot i'm just taking your skin fading i'm weed whacking basically

27:29you have to put something down on those okay your pubic hair is like bamboo dude i'll come back um come back stronger um do you use that no but do you use like no it's not like i'm not fading it no yeah i've started trying to do that a bit more right like i was like otherwise you haven't like you're going down to skin level right yeah i don't go to skin level no all right okay okay yeah i've been using like clippers so i've got like proper

28:00Romesh Ranganathan:clippers for it so at some points since i've known you've been completely bald down there yeah yeah yeah yeah and how do you find that uh it's when it starts growing back is the problem yeah i knew a guy actually you knew you know ross lee the comedian yeah he got really bad ingrown hair on the back of his balls it was biblical he showed me once he showed you the back of his balls because he was in so much pain he had to go to the doctors i think and get it out that they had to get it out ingrown hairs can be savage and the back of your balls no disrespect to you but i don't think I'd be going oh fucking you know what this needs Tom Davis to have a look at it no but you'll be really careful when you're shaving anyway I've got one here I think yeah yeah of my side yeah so what are you gonna do about it well I was gonna show you after I got an ingrowing one oh my here it was like just when I started the play yeah and I had to just have a tash and so I hadn't used a like just a razor and like wet shave for such a long time and I did it and then a day later I started to get this horrible like it was really angry bump and then they gave me some sort of like witch hazel some sort of cream or something to sort it out it took a while yeah it's awful yeah but they're really satisfying when you get them out I also had a friend Justin who got a he had a thing on the back of his ear I don't know if it was ingrained hair or just a spot and we for ages you need to squeeze that thing his ear was just like blowing up more and more we were in a pub one day he squeezed it and I've never seen puss and blood like it.

29:32It was just pouring down his neck. It was just... I love that stuff. I live for it.

29:40Romesh Ranganathan:Thank you so much for listening to and watching another episode of the Wolf and Owl podcast email special. Wolfowlpod.gmo.com if you want to send us anything at all. Actually, it doesn't bother me. I don't look at them. Thank you so much.