Tyson Fury, Arsenal Merch and Awkward Interactions

17:58Romesh Ranganathan:I know what's happened. I've started to compliment you. You felt uncomfortable. You changed the conversation. I much prefer it when you're laying into me. Well, I... I... I decided to, have you heard of this seven days? I don't know this fully. We might need to look this up. Seven days, seven weeks, seven months. Have you heard of this thing? I've heard of the seven years thing. What's the seven, oh, the seven year itch? No, no, no, seven years. It's like, yeah, every seven years, you're going to have a life moment. Yeah, yeah. So seven, seven, seven method. Is it key to a successful relationship?

18:31Romesh Ranganathan:Right. Every seven days, have a date night. Yeah. Every seven weeks, have a night away. Yeah. And every seven months, go on a romantic holiday. What do you think of that? Do you know what? Me and Catherine just had our first, we just went to Lake Como. Yeah. For our 10-year wedding anniversary. Somebody's watching the Tyson Fury documentary. Can I just say on that? I love you to. We started watching that and it was very triggering for Catherine because a lot of his mental health issues are also ones that I share. Yeah, the up and down nature. That show, by the way, is fire. Yeah, it's incredible.

19:02Romesh Ranganathan:Holy shit. And she is the star of it. Yeah. Well, I thought she was a star of Series 1. Yeah. Because I don't think nobody realized how challenging it is to live with Tyson. Yeah. Clearly got mental health issues and he admits that. And then Series 2, I feel like you got to see more of what makes him tick than he did in Series 1. So Series 1 was a bit like you're in a bit of shock. But Series 2, I found in ways it's a difficult watch because they've got so much money. Yeah. And then you've got Tyson Fury, who's, they've made enough money for three or four lifetimes, more than that probably, right?

19:43Romesh Ranganathan:So he doesn't need to do anything. Yeah. He does not need to do anything. And Paris is fully aware of that. John Fury, his dad's fully aware of that.

19:53Romesh Ranganathan:But he can't retire because when he goes out, you know that thing where you see he is validated by going out and people coming up to him going, and you're a fucking legend or whatever. And he's getting something out of the house that he's not getting in the house. And I'm not, that's not an indictment of Paris at all. I think she's an incredible person. I think she's unbelievable, actually. Yeah, I do, yeah. And I think his kids are fun kids. Yeah, they're lovely. But I also do think there's an air of like, I think for someone who had the career as like a boxing geek, he, to be the fighter he was, and to be, I think it sometimes looked over quite I went to when he fought Klitschko and as a boxing fan it was an incredible performance yeah like but then when you look at that like what he went through to come back to fight those wilder fights which probably are the greatest trilogy of boxing fights ever phenomenal fights like what his body and his mind went through to go from that to that but also that was such a high if he'd retired after that I actually don't think he'd have ever like properly gone that's it you know but then to have fought Usyk twice and those two losses.

21:05Yeah, that mess with them. But also, I do think, like, even with what we do to an extent, and this is the thing that me and Catherine talk, is like, I'm addicted to what we do as a living. I love it more than anything. It's like, you know, and I don't see a part of my life forever go, I could ever imagine not being on stage or not doing something like this or something where I'm, like, I don't do it. It's never been a monetary thing. I've never gone on, you know, It is just, I love doing what we do. I get a kick. It's my, you know, and the thought of, even for like, me and you have a week off and we go, you know, the amount of times I text you or you text me and you go, oh, I've got a bit of chill time.

21:45I've got a bit of downtime. I know within two or three days you're texting me going, oh, fucking hell, I feel a bit like, you know, you'll never text, you know, summer holidays and whatever. So I get the fact that he, and I think, should it be true that he's got that AJ fight coming, which would be, I think, whatever. Affirmed, isn't it? Yeah, that's going to be a hell of a spectacle. But I enjoyed it. I actually weirdly thought John as well. I thought you got to see a bit more of John Fugler.

22:12Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah, I thought he came across really well, actually. It was a good... I mean, look, fuck trying to go from Land's End to John O 'Groats and sleeping in your cars. We should do that. No, I've just said fuck doing that. We've got the paintball and we've got the nightclub thing. Yeah, so we need a third thing we're never going to do. No, no, no, we're doing those, boy. Paintball and nightclub. Paintball's happening. Me and John are making plans. Is that true? Yeah. Paintball is happening. What are you talking about? Yeah, the paintball is happening. We're doing the paintball. You're getting picked up, you're getting taken to a paintball woods.

22:43All right. It sounds like a threat. You're going to love it. I think as well you should bring the boys. Like Tyson would.

22:51Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah, all right. And then what's nightclub? Yeah, the whole day nightclub that we talked about. Oh, yeah, that we're doing. So we've got some cool stuff happening. So anyway, seven days, seven weeks, seven months. So Lisa and I decided to start trying to implement this. So I took her out for dinner. Yeah. And we went to, well, I don't know if I should. Okay, I will name the restaurant. Gautier Soho. Wow. Wow. Do you know this restaurant? No, no, but my guy's flexing hard. Well, no, it's not flex, but it's not flex. Yeah, the name sounds flexy. Yeah, I know the name sounds flexy. Yeah. So this guy, Michelin-star restaurant.

23:30Romesh Ranganathan:Right. Right. One day had foie gras on the menu. Right. Some animal activists spoke to him outside the restaurant, or I think nearby. They came and spoke to him, and they said he shouldn't have foie gras on the menu. It's cruel and blah, blah, blah. Agreed. So he looked into it and decided to take foie gras off the menu. Right. Then he carried on looking at animal stuff. Yeah. And then started increasing the plant-based stuff, the vegan stuff. And then eventually he decided he didn't want to harm any animal for his meals, and it's completely vegan. Wow. So we went there. Eight course tasting menu.

24:05Romesh Ranganathan:Eight courses is... A lot. It's a lot. Yeah. Regardless of what the portion sizes are. It's a lot. Went there. Delicious food. I don't know if you'd like it. I don't know if John would like it. You two are very... I would describe you as carnivorous. Yeah. Yeah, but also I think... What I don't want is to be... I don't want to be sat opposite you and you're going, do you know what I just could do with a steak? Yeah, but me would go get a sausage sandwich afterwards. Okay, fine. We show you the respect that you deserve and the food deserves. By the way, I'm not inviting either of you to dinner with me.

24:35No, I mean, well, maybe me and John will go together. Yeah, I think you should. Yeah, I'd love to do it with John. Yeah, I think you should. One of the most insightful people I've ever met in my life.

24:41Romesh Ranganathan:As usual with these things, I've got to remind you that you need consent of the other party. I'm not going to get John in a headlock and just march him down to a vegan restaurant. So hold up. Right, so that's the seven. Then you've got to do this in a week's time. But also, have you got the seven-week plan? No, no, no. Because that's the night away. Yeah. So that's what me and Catherine just did the late coma. Yeah, how was that? So, firstly, I'd say, first time we've done anything with that since Grace's bit. So my mum and dad looked after Grace. First time we've been away, just the two of us.

25:09So you're getting excited, horny, on the plane. Yeah, yeah. Like a dog with two dicks. Neither of which are going to get used. Yeah, but you know what? It was just the best. It felt like a proper, well, we're in our little bubble.

25:23Romesh Ranganathan:What did you do in late coma, on late coma, by late coma? On a boat trip. Right. Had a little look around some of the local towns. Yeah. Just chilled quite a lot. Just chilled together. Do you have a view across the lake? Yeah. What's that like? Beautiful. They look good in the Tyson Dock. Yeah, it's beautiful. Do you know, the only thing that I'd say is, so we were staying at a beautiful hotel, lovely hotel. Spenny? Yeah, yeah. I know I'm talking about people that aren't in multiple films this year and on tour. and fucking and the so we go for I booked this really nice restaurant to go to for our sort of anniversary dinner both very excited and then we got sat next to some Americans who were very very loud as a group there was like 10 of them all traveling in a sort of coach trip type vibe and they did the most bizarre thing they did like what they gave thanks for what they gave so this got passed around the group so one of them was like um i give thanks every day for the person i've become for the man i am when i get out of bed every day i believe that i and myself are the one person that navigates the true meaning of being me i fire myself up i give thanks for having the far inside of my stomach to keep on moving on so this guy's doing this monologue and then his wife is like i give thanks every day for the man that i married and oh my god so they're both giving thanks for him yeah it's inside right and then someone else is like, I give thanks to the Lord, the man who created this earth, the man who put this together every day.

26:55I pay homage to the man. I do his work just. And then we're sort of sitting there and I'm like, this is weird people watching taking the piss out of it. And then it gets to the head of the table, a portly chap who looked like he'd been poured into his chair. Oh, God.

27:14Romesh Ranganathan:That was horrible. Well, he goes, I'll give thanks more than anything else in the world for our leader, for Donald Trump, for the man that most of this world, and he stands at this point in quite a busy restaurant, that most of the world and other countries don't understand the work that this man's done and his legacy will rain down and it will be known for generations to come as a man who moved world order, the man who changed the earth to be a better place. He does like a genuine 10-minute piece on Trump. and like there's other people going by this point everyone's like okay you're a fucking you're clearly a prick why?

27:53mate he whatever his views are whatever your views are to feel like the whole restaurant which is quite a nice restaurant

28:02Romesh Ranganathan:whether you disagree with him like me or agree with him like Tom yeah at the end of the day he's just being very loud I was whooping and cheering it kind of took the shine off what was a lovely I mean we took the mick and then we had a laugh so I didn't know Americans like late coma mate it's i'd say yeah american japanese a lot of that but also by a shout out there was a one english person i met out there wolf and alphan just got married came over lovely credit to credit to the wolf and our listeners credit to everyone beautiful young man scottish yeah lovely barber yeah good guy oh that's the end yeah yeah okay i had a bit of an awkward an interaction with somebody yesterday.

28:43What happened?

28:44Romesh Ranganathan:So we're on the train on the way home. Yeah. So after dinner, we went to get Charlie from Oliver. Shout out Charlie, still smashing it. And then we're on the train. Yeah. And a woman sits opposite me and she looks at me and she starts cracking up. Wow. Right. Is Charlie sitting with you? Charlie's with me, Lisa's with me, right? Right. And she goes, oh my God, you're not going to believe this. And she turns her phone around. Yeah. For now. Okay. Right? Yeah. so she goes this is too weird and i go yeah it's quite weird but then i sort of felt a bit all i just felt i don't know how to explain it i felt a bit awkward like i didn't know how to react it is a bit weird she's set opposite yeah she's set opposite the motherfucking owl do you know what i mean yeah yeah anyway so then i go yeah um it's a bit weird but then i feel like i didn't give her the reaction that she wanted and so then she goes oh i can't listen to you while i'm sitting opposite at you on the train.

29:37Romesh Ranganathan:And she goes, it's too weird. And I said, yeah, it is a bit, it is a bit, I guess. And then she said, I'm going to listen to Rob Beckett instead or something. And I said, you know, I sort of did some banner about it. I think that might be weirder or something like that. I don't know. Yeah. Anyway. Something electric. Yeah. Charlie made, oh, that's my dad. Charlie just sort of looking closer at his phone. I'm not with him, by the way. He shifts away in his chair. I'm a West End actor. And then, I think I disappointed her. because she just looked... You're on your night off. She looked a bit crestfallen.

30:09Romesh Ranganathan:Do you know what I mean? Can I just say, you're on your night off. I know, but still, it was bad. I'm telling you, what I'm saying to you, my performance in that interaction was bad. Can I... It would get a bad review. Can I say... I think she'd go home and she'd go, you're not going to fucking believe this. I had a very strange interaction with someone next. That's what we called you three episodes ago. The Banton Cannon, yeah. And Tom's going to get you a shirt. Yeah, the Banton Cannon. yeah he wasn't firing that night oh wow what's going on when Tom says he's going to do stuff we've got you a gift and weirdly actually this is a really weird place to bring the gift out now what are you talking about well we've talked about merch and I've been we've talked about merch and you've just told this story I was going to give this to you a bit later on at the end as a sort of summing up this feels like the perfect time to do it we've had this done

31:05oh no

31:11Romesh Ranganathan:for you it's an Arsenal shirt with banter cannon on the back what number? one yeah banter cannon one so yeah I know that you've said for ages about getting like a shirt Arsenal shirt with writing on the back well how the fuck am I going to wear that? you wear it to the game mate you've got to wear this to the game seriously How am I supposed to wear an Arsenal shirt that says Banter Cannon 1 on the back? What's your crest? The Gunners, the Cannon. You're the Banter Cannon. No, I get the symbolism of it. This works on so many levels. Rom, me and the team have gone to some expense and some effort to get this done.

31:49Romesh Ranganathan:Is this a real Arsenal shirt? Yeah, that's a proper Arsenal shirt. And you put Banter Cannon across the back of it. What the fuck am I supposed to do with that? You've got to wear this to a game. you have to I mean you have a jacket on then take it off during the game but that what would you do okay first of all thank you very nice of you to go to that much trouble what would you do if you were at a game and you saw somebody wearing a shirt and it said banter cannon on the back I think that's a fucking legend no you wouldn't no be honest with me what would you think okay I'd probably think alright let's just see what he's got but if that person's Romesh Ranganathan who I think that's where the nation kind of knows you that's a proper it's the real deal that's a fucking great shirt by the way that mate that me and John were saying you've not got a shirt for this season and you have now guys guys think about it I'm grateful but think about it what the fuck are you talking about we need to we need to get you to a game in this are you going to any more games this season I don't think so no I was going to go to every one but you could wear it home with the boys.

32:58Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah. I don't even think I could wear this in front of the boys. Of course you can. If your dad sat down next to you to watch the game and he's wearing a shirt that says banter cannon on the back. I don't want the boys to be sat watching the football going, oh, I suspected it but I've had it confirmed. My dad's a fucking helmet. No, but you can tell it's a gift from the lads. And we'll go, so why did they think that you should have banter cannon on the back? Because that's the name that you deemed yourself. I know, I know. But what I'm saying is the kids are going to go. But now it's also bad because you've got this story where your banter's like, maybe that's the thing you need.

33:32It's like Superman or Spider-Man. You put that on, it'll keep your banter going. And you do self-deprecation so well. Mate, I think that's, yeah.

33:42Romesh Ranganathan:Well, look, thank you very much. No, yeah. I think it's me and the team. Shout out everyone, Ben, John, Will. What made you do this? Georgie. Yeah, no, we did it because we just, that's your new nickname. Yeah. but the owl the banter cannon I mean we could actually in retrospect just got the owl on it yeah because that would have been wearable owl was that going to say Ozzel yeah it's a cool yeah yeah well thank you very much I don't I think can you get the name the printing tape it wears off anyway I've got a few with players names on yeah and after a few years it wears off yeah my Declan Rice one yeah it's completely well one of my Declan Rice ones Yeah.

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35:04Romesh Ranganathan:Get ahead of summer with custom window treatments like solar roller shades from Blinds.com and save up to 45 % off during the Memorial Day Early Access Sale. Whether you want to DIY it or have a pro handle everything, we've got you. Free samples, real design experts, and zero pressure. Just help when you need it. Shop up to 45 % off site-wide right now during the early access Memorial Day sale at blinds.com. Rules and restrictions apply. So I had this weird interaction. I flew out to Sophia for a job this week. And on the plane, you know when someone's doing the thing where they're trying to make eyes with you?

35:43No. Where someone's trying to get your attention. Oh, yeah. Because they recognize it. Yeah. So I noticed this person's doing that. And then as we're getting the bus thing to the terminal, they start a bit of a conversation. They knew some people that I knew. I think you know as well, through comedy. And then they're quite an interesting person. They work for MI5, which is quite a cool job. And we're chatting away. And this person's very chatty. So much so, even I'm like, wow, I think I'm almost letting this side down. and also it was a long flight whatever and then and then they turned around and said and they said something about this is Romesh I said oh that's not my best mate and they went oh really I was like yeah yeah we do a podcast together we've been friends for years he's like my brother basically and she was like he's really up and down isn't he I went not really he's pretty he's pretty consistent as as being as far as i'm concerned a pretty decent chap well i've met him like a couple of times and one time he was like the loveliest person in the world and the next person he was quite mean i was like mean i'm mean and she was like he just didn't really want to like chat at all i don't i don't think that's mean i think that's just like maybe you don't know what's happened in his day and then she was like oh no yeah he was just a bit like standoffish and I was like okay yeah but yeah sometimes that's just how life is and I said what's the scenario and she's like oh he'd finished his show and I walked up and said it was a good show and he just was like oh thank you I was like what the fuck

37:23Romesh Ranganathan:do you want me to do yeah I know yeah but it was an insane thing and I was like none of this feels mean and I was like if I'm honest with you he's pretty much that and also I said he's like weirdly you know quite not shy but he's not he's just not I'm quite a gregarious person in a lot of ways and I was with one of my one of the independent people who's also met you and she was going he's probably one of the kind his reputation is one of the nicest people in the industry who literally bend over to get a picture not bend over that's a weird thing to say your agent's saying this no no but she's like no but I think everyone knows it's about you well no no no no no but if you want to if someone wants a picture I will bend over I will bend over for anyone to ask yeah but but yeah it was just a really weird interaction where I found myself getting not heated but I was like you know that thing where you're like your choice of words if I didn't know Ramesh and you said mean I'd assume he'd been done something quite horrible which he just you said could you have a picture and he was like yeah and that was it it wasn't mean I just found it a bit of a weird look inside.

38:27Romesh Ranganathan:You know there's that thing now isn't there not the thing but this I think you should put on that shirt for the rest of the podcast by the way. Join me today. I think you should yeah. I'm going to put it on now. Yeah. And then we should do a picture afterwards where, like, he's signed for my football team. And he's holding his thing. This could go out the week that you win the league. Yeah, or bottle it.

38:57That's cool. Yeah. Thanks. You look like a player with it on like that. Do I? Yeah. You've got player energy. Yeah. Yeah, but it's a weird thing. Sorry, sorry. You were saying before you put your shirt back.

39:07Romesh Ranganathan:What were we saying? oh so it's a thing of like so there is a time where in the past if you'd have told me that i'd have got really worried that there's somebody out there that doesn't like me or thinks i've been she didn't say she didn't like you by the way no but up and down or whatever and then you start worrying that people like and i'm sure there's more than like that can't be the only person that thinks that about me yeah and there must be people that think well of course most people think that about you of course there is yeah you just have to accept that don't you yeah you can't you cannot be in control of those things yeah but i i weirdly you said some stuff to me where like about how you deal with it and then doing therapy at the moment i i in the last just in the last fortnight three weeks have felt a lot of like i've let a lot of that stuff go have you that's good like like just just because as a people pleaser and someone who's constantly like always worried oh yeah what's this person think what's that yeah about you know did it i now i'm like well there's never a time in my life that i step in and try to be a prick or go out of my way go out of my way to be rude or but I also can't you know I can't circumstances a thing I might be with Grace or you know over the last I mean you've talked over the last three or four months I've had up and downs with a lot of different stuff going on so how I might start the day could be quite a sad or negative place and then to have to walk out that day and walk through the whole day with a smile I might have stuff on my mind and well I'll never be rude i'm also there's times where if someone's interacting with me i might just not be 100 present because i've got something going on at home so i think that i used to worry all the time just i go oh shit that person and now i'm just a bit like you know what it's like i i know if that's upsetting or i feel you know that yeah i didn't have an intention of doing that but i can't be wary for like constantly worrying about yeah yeah i do think you have to sort of let that shit going.

40:59Romesh Ranganathan:I was reading this thing about how one of the things about people pleasing, which I think we're both guilty of. John's guilty of it as well, isn't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fucking tragic. He's really trying to please someone who doesn't seem very pleased today. What does that mean? The banter cannon shirt. Has my reaction not been good enough? No, I think, what I feel like, if we see you in your banter cannon shirt. Look, let me just get this out of the way. I'm very grateful that you've gone to the trouble. I'm actually very touched that you've gone to the trouble of getting this done a throwaway thing I said and if I remember from the clip social media clip didn't actually get this is not we've not made a commemorative show of a viral moment from the podcast yeah but what me and John are doing here it went by almost unnoticed yeah but what we're trying to do is trying to push these things so they can step up a level and get up to the kissing and the big five and stuff like that look I don't want you to do affirmative action on my social media clip where I said banter can I don't need you to do that Now you are the banter cannon You know who you could be like Oh mate this is something to make me think about Remember the guy at the Man City game Who does the thing with the Arsenal bottle of water You know that guy?

42:11Can I be that c***? I'm just saying you could be like Next time Arsenal play And you're in the crowd You go like that

42:21Romesh Ranganathan:You score a goal and you tell me you're back Tom just be honest with me you're walking along to a game and you see somebody wearing a shirt that says banter cannon on the back what's your immediate reaction it's no I'm like firstly I'm going to go I want to delve in this guy I want to have a chat with him I'm going to check if he's actually got some real issues I mean I can't take the piss off I think they're going to be a bit of fun You know what I mean? If I saw somebody with banter cannon across their back... You're not going to see them. No, but listen, if I saw somebody with banter cannon across their back, even if they're on a fucking stag do, I think thunder c***.

43:07Romesh Ranganathan:There's no other way you can think about that. Yeah, but you've got that on your back, right? You're at the Arsenal, right? You're there with the boys. Alex and Charlie. Lisa's with you, right? You slip off your fucking denim jacket, right? or your leather jacket in your case right you slip off your leather jacket and you've got banter can on the back I guarantee there's hands on your shoulder and I go this guy's just come to play he's going to be a laugh all game yeah and then I'm not yeah but you've got the it puts a certain level of expectation doesn't it you know what you need to do then you need to start thinking of some cool new chance so you can start chanting that you've got the right Or not wear the shirt.

43:51I'm trying to think, what is the easier option here? No. Either. You can't not wear the shirt when it's a gift. You've got basically, you start, you know, like when people have the chance, they start singing about a player. What's the biggest one at Arsenal at the moment? Like if you're, we lose a draw, we know the score. It's Arsenal and the banner cannon.

44:21he's one of your own, he's one of your own, oh, banter cannon, he's one of your own,

44:30let the banter fly, let the banter fly, there's loads that you could do, banter, banter, give us a wave, banter, give us a wave, so you'd have loads of fun, the boys would be, fucking hell, that's you dad, no, no,

44:50Romesh Ranganathan:you know what you can get let me show you they would say that it'd be like this fucking hell that's you dad you know what you could get Charlie a shirt that says Little Band of Canon yeah he'd love that Charlie put that on and let's see if you survive today Theo Band of Canon 2 anyway look thanks so much for this shirt it's nice to wear it for the first and last time you could have that framed and put it to your Tyrion Rewind I love that shirt thank you I wish this one had gone down as well. It has gone down. It's really thoughtful. Would you want us to get it framed for you? I'm not having...

45:25Romesh Ranganathan:What would you do if you... Okay, let me ask you this question. You walk into someone's house and I've got a framed shirt that says... This shirt is actually more pride in this gift than the other shirt. Go on. You walk in and there's a framed shirt that says Banter Cannon 1 on it. We'll have to get pictures of you wearing it meeting a couple of the players. the fact that you put one it's sort of you've ruined it twice because not only do you think Banner Cannon he doesn't know how fucking numbers work in a football team because it should be the goalkeeper yeah that's yeah could have got you the goalkeeper no I don't want the goalkeeper shirt no yeah we should have got Banner Cannon 10 yeah or 14 yeah but you put one it's literally the fucking worst of both yeah what's the worst the thing is you were saying you were the number one banter cannon what's the I didn't say number one I never said that what's the worst I said number one banter cannon you did yeah did I someone did yeah I think I said it so why have I got I've got to wear it then you're the banter cannon you were the banter cannon and you're number one banter cannon anyway look I don't want to undermine this I'm actually very touched I think you'd feel if it was tucked in if it was tucked in my job was he's tucked in yeah well because people won't get their feet caught on as they're shooing the shit out of me

46:54Romesh Ranganathan:right Tom let's fucking wrap this up well can I just say I think it would be nice to see you like you know you you see the pictures of the celebrity fans yeah and there's like you Mo like fucking Wiley whoever else Ian Wright me Mo and Wiley and he right you know what I mean yeah and the guy that you go with quite a lot what's his name Josh Josh would like it he'd get a laugh out of it yeah okay alright wrap us up please wow it's funny isn't it our names Tom Romesh Sweet John Sweet John that's what I call him affectionately that's the thing a nickname can almost be as passionate as a real name it's what your friends might give you whether it's hey there goes goofy or floppy or the banner cannon it's something that symbolizes how people might think about you and that can be affectionate but it can also be upsetting i guess that's the thing about life isn't it sometimes we don't choose the steps we make nay the fools in which we fall but one thing we can do is if something offends you or upsets you is turn around and go not really feeling the banner cannon today guys you know what i don't really feel much like pebbles today.

48:11And that's the thing. If you've got true friends, I'll understand. They won't push you to wear a shirt that you don't want to wear or a cap that might signify a tour that you're trying desperately to sell tickets to. See, Spud Gun, very much like Banter Cannon in a roundabout way was my nickname. And I ran for it for a long time. And then one quiet night when I was deciding on the name for my new tour, I decided to own it. And I guess that's the thing owning the things that might trip you up and all we can hope for one day is Romesh Ranganathan the banner can and tour own the moments friends

48:51Romesh Ranganathan:provided a real runner for you this isn't it thank you so much for listening and watching the Wolf and Our podcast wolfourpod.gmail.com we will see you on the email episode yes peace out That's the Wolf Owl, a.k.a. the Vanter Cannon, out.