In short
Episode topic: The Wolf and Owl discusses complaints about their podcast (including a shortened theme song and accusations of “corporate” behavior), then spirals into caffeine/Pro Plus nostalgia, meditation mishaps, and explicit “genitals” banter. They also cover Football Manager fandom and meeting Miles Jacobson, plus a real-life spider bite and a “WikiFeet” rating of their feet.
Guests/backgrounds
No traditional guests. Hosts are Romesh Ranganathan and Tom Davis. They mention Miles Jacobson (Football Manager creator) as a person Tom met, and their tour manager Graz and sound guy Dinesh.
Key claims
They admit the episode became “gutter trash” after criticism. Tom claims he met Jacobson and is “in the Football Manager circle.” Romesh claims he meditated for up to an hour and had sexual thoughts/erection concerns. Romesh’s foot is swollen from a spider bite; he rates his feet 5 stars on WikiFeet.
Notable examples
Pro Plus used in clubs; meditation “passing cloud” thoughts; Football Manager league immersion; spider bite swelling/redness; toenail cutting described as jagged; gym changing-room nakedness stories.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOAcknowledging Podcast Criticism
0:45 to 1:15
They humorously address audience perceptions and criticisms of their podcast's content.
“what we've actually done is we've kowtowed to it and in a sort of sad, desperate attempt to show that we weren't corporate, but we end up deciding to talk exclusively about bass things, horrible things, smelly things.”
Corporate Allegations and Podcast Themes
1:15 to 1:50
Discussion about their podcast's shift towards discussing less serious topics and corporate branding implications.
“we're more than happy to make that a new thing.”
Song Length Complaints
1:50 to 2:20
The duo reflects on listener complaints regarding the length of their podcast theme song.
“Just kidding, every word in this song's about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog.”
Plans for Theme Song and Video Content
2:20 to 3:40
They brainstorm ideas for releasing their theme song and creating additional video content.
“Yeah, but now you can always go back to if you want it.”
Diving into Creatine and Corporate Discussions
3:40 to 5:00
Discussion around their brand, creatine products, and perceptions of corporate behavior.
“What you want, because you're a feather of foot.”
Caffeine and Pro Plus Experiences
5:00 to 6:20
A humorous exchange about caffeine consumption, Pro Plus, and past clubbing experiences.
“Show me we don't have the old McDonald's teaspoons.”
Meditation and Sleep Routines
6:20 to 8:00
Tom shares his meditation journey and experiences with sleep routines, including chamomile tea.
“I didn't think there was such a thing as an ex-coffee drinker being a prick.”
The Ups and Downs of Meditation
8:00 to 10:00
They discuss the challenges of meditation and humorous occurrences during meditation sessions.
“Are you doing the thing where you have the same routine every night?”
Awkward Moments During Meditation
10:00 to 12:20
An amusing conversation about personal experiences and mishaps during meditation.
“I don't think stroking it is going to help.”
Football Manager Interactions
12:20 to 14:01
Tom shares his encounter with Miles Jacobson, highlighting connections to Football Manager.
“This is going to blow your fucking balls off.”
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Football Manager Circle Discussion
14:01 to 15:50
Learn about the Football Manager community and personal experiences with the game.
“I mean, I played it for a bit, but then...”
Meditation and Hummus Debate
15:51 to 19:05
Explore how meditation and cooking hummus relate to gaming and personal time management.
“Are you telling me, right, that you then have to...”
Jealousy and Gaming Obsession
19:06 to 23:26
Discuss the nature of jealousy in friendships and obsession with gaming.
“And in all seriousness, I'm being a prick here, you deserve to have football manager more than I do.”
Aging and Physical Decline
23:27 to 26:05
Reflect on aging, physical changes, and humorous insights into getting older.
“So I was at the football and I was in like, don't start giving me shit, I was in Hospitalo.”
Spider Bite and Podcast Changes
26:06 to 28:00
Hear about a spider bite incident and changes to the podcast format.
“Can I say actually, by the way, I put a picture up on Instagram.”
Spider Bite Story
28:00 to 28:53
Romesh shares a humorous story about getting bitten by a spider on his foot.
“That is probably the sexiest I've ever felt.”
Foot Care and Toenail Talk
28:54 to 30:08
Discussion about foot care and the state of toenails leads to humorous exchanges.
The Toenail Clipping Technique
30:09 to 31:04
Tom reveals his unique toenail clipping technique and the tools he uses.
“Tom, when you cut your toenails, are you using a junior hacksaw?”
Comparing Toenail Care
31:05 to 32:29
Romesh and Tom compare their toenail care routines amidst comedic banter.
“What the fuck are you using to cut your toenails?”
Mutton Rolls and Spider Bites
32:30 to 34:39
A transition into discussing food as they reference mutton rolls and spider bites.
“You used a stapler to cut your toenails.”
Ball Bag Aging Concerns
34:40 to 36:42
Discussion turns to aging and the realities of body changes with humor.
“Did Dinesh not say anything about your toenails?”
Changing Room Experiences
36:43 to 37:55
Romesh reflects on awkward experiences in changing rooms and body confidence.
“Well, you know, people always say that when you get older, your ball bag starts to drop, doesn't it?”
Confidence in the Gym
37:56 to 39:24
They discuss body confidence and experiences at the gym with a comedic lens.
Nakedness and Humorous Anecdotes
39:25 to 41:18
Sharing funny anecdotes about nudity and comfort in changing areas.
“I don't want to confirm what people suspect.”
Unexpected Shower Moments
42:00 to 43:30
A humorous recount of shower-related incidents during filming.
“Like, Jamie then followed suit, did exactly the same thing.”
Dealing with Bullying on Set
43:30 to 45:00
Discussion on experiences of being the target of pranks and bullying.
“I used to staple my trousers to my waist.”
Reflecting on Comfort and Change
45:00 to 47:20
Exploration of living in the past versus stepping into the future.
“where I was, you know, on that side of it.”
Motivational Closing Thoughts
47:20 to 48:15
A motivational message encouraging listeners to embrace the future.
“But the truth of the matter is, sometimes we have to step forward, not knowing what we're going to do.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Romesh Ranganathan:Hello, I'm Romesh Ranganathan. Hi, I'm Tom Davis. I hope that you do enjoy this episode of The Wolf and Owl and we're very grateful to all of you for listening. But I think it would be remiss of us to not make some reference to the content that you will find included in today's episode. Talk of penises has frequented this episode probably more than most. Are we ashamed of this? Very much so. what has triggered this? Allegations of corporate greed and that we are a corporate pair of whores. We try to rebel against that and in doing that, the very nature of this podcast has become gutter trash. I think that in our battle to ignore the criticism leveled at the podcast, what we've actually done is we've kowtowed to it and in a sort of sad, desperate attempt to show that we weren't corporate, but we end up deciding to talk exclusively about bass things, horrible things, smelly things.
1:01Romesh Ranganathan:The point we're trying to make is that this has been, even for us, one of the baser episodes of The Wolf for Now. We apologise. We're sorry. We will do better. Or worse, we're completely governed by you. If you want this kind of level of bass chat, we're more than happy to make that a new thing. or if you want us to elevate it and make it a little bit more highbrow, we'll do that. Thank you so much for saying that, Tom. And thank you to you for listening and watching the Wolf and Owl podcast. Thanks, guys. We hope that you will suffer our failures as well as enjoy our successes as we continue this little old journey that we call podcasting.
1:41Romesh Ranganathan:Thanks, Fred.
1:47Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah, what you want? Beak or jaws? Feathers or fur? Sharp teeth or feet with claws, whatever's preferred. Just kidding, every word in this song's about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog. Welcome to this little podcast we call The Wolf and Owl. First of all, let's deal with the complaints. Some people have got an issue. Are you reading the complaints? I like to get feedback. You put your totem. Well, I don't think we should act on it necessarily. No, we can't really, can we? Unless people are saying you're being horribly racist, in which case... yeah i'm not changing my whole tour show now yeah go deeper in yeah go deeper in fucking anyway uh first complaint we shortened the song yeah no that's a big one by the way yeah and i'm by the way i'm i'm i'm not in the habit of throwing people under the bus but i will in this case and that was ben green yeah ben green's idea he hated the song so jeff norcott yeah when we first got the song done yeah i played it to him i was really proud of it yeah uh and not that i did it there's a rumor going around that I'm the one rapping it's not it's Michael Payne shout out Michael Payne yeah anyway so I uh played it to Jeff Norcott George Norcott which is his real name yeah his stage name is Jeff Norcott he wanted a bit more showbiz for Jeff
3:07anyway and he said to me it's too long really and then regardless of that because I loved it so much I said we decided yeah but I think it's I think people can skip through it if they want to skip through it.
3:17Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah, but now you can always go back to if you want it. Maybe we should put it actually, should we put it up as like a separate, we should put it up as a separate thing. Maybe it's just something and then people can listen to it whenever they want. Like a single. Like we put up just as a little video. I think that's a good idea. With me and you just dancing along to the video. That's a great idea. Yeah. You know when he goes on Spotify and he goes switch to video. Yeah, yeah. And it's just me and you like bumping moves like that. And then we kiss at the end. What you want, because you're a feather of foot.
3:44Romesh Ranganathan:Whatever's preferred. just getting really close up you know footballers lips just touch the camera yeah and then just breathe up on the lens yeah what's the other complaints that we become corporate it's fucking bananas so so basically first of all we've stolen this sheet from a hospital yeah have we and we've got some 3D printed statues now apparently we're corporate whores who do you think would be more corporate out of the two of us I don't know but I mean what's corporate about the Wolf and Howl. Oh, no, don't bring that up. That's a rival brand. Hugh, you're Gary Neville. I did it for the gag.
4:23Oh, no, the gag was great. Yeah, yeah.
4:25Romesh Ranganathan:Sorry, it's a rival brand. How is your brand going, by the way? Going all right, it's going good. Speaking of corporate, dick sucking. How's it going over at Mandrill? We're a very small brand. Are you going to pay us for a read? You know, I was thinking, actually, do I have to pay for my own podcast read? First of all, it's not your own podcast. Yeah. It's a podcast with me. Yeah, I know, but if you did a read, I'd probably give you a couple of quid. because you'd probably be better at doing a raid than I am. Okay. Yeah. What's the product range now? Electrolytes, protein, and yeah, we've got some bottles as well.
4:55Romesh Ranganathan:Okay. So it's electrolytes and protein. You've started off like it's a list. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you've got merch as well. And creatine as well. You do creatine? Yeah. Creatine's incredible. Oh, good for you. Yeah, I know it is. Do you want some creatine? Yeah. Yeah, I'll get you some creatine. Okay, great. It's really good for you. Is it gummies or what? No, no, it's powder. Powder. Okay. It's the best way. And you just got, you get a card. I put it in with the electrolytes. Yeah, no, I sniff it in the morning. Show me we don't have the old McDonald's teaspoons. I cut it up. We can use a key, can't we?
5:20I carry it around a little lottery ticket in my top pocket. Have a little key, little fucking key.
5:27Romesh Ranganathan:Anyway, we've not, the point is we've not gone corporate. Okay? No. I think, we just compared creatine to coke. That's how much we don't give a fuck. That's how edgy we are. Welcome to edgelords. We, we should do some edgy shit today. How edgy do you want? I've just had a coffee. Can you tell? I can't have coffee still, so I'm really in awe of the coffee. Am I exercising my privilege? Yeah. It's just so refreshing. What coffee are you drinking? Nescafe? Gold blend? No, I don't know what it is. Is it a proper coffee? It's a proper coffee, though, yeah. Yeah. It's not instant. I miss the buzz of caffeine.
6:03Romesh Ranganathan:You can get caffeine from other sources, though, can't you? Yeah, but I'm not having fizzy drinks either. Okay. Pro Plus? You're allowed to have those? Pro Plus? there's anything bleak about Pro Plus in what way I remember I used to have it and try and pretend it was like drugs I sort of used to show off to friends when I'm being like the blue walking and stuff you take Pro Plus in a club fucking hell that is sorry that's even sadder than I thought this was going what the fuck are you talking about back in the day it popped my bedtime so I just do you want a little upper what will it do well just sort of be able to stay up you're about to stay awake to the close just done four pro plus mate did you really take it to blue orchid yeah yeah and then i used to i didn't have it in the the full package where you pop it out yeah no i carried it loose because you're done i carried it loose yeah empty it into your pocket oh you look like you're hanging a bit bro you want a fucking pro plus oh man at my palm uh you're a pro plus who's having a pro plus at your raw palm you mean you have it in a baggie huh you mean you have it in a baggie no it's like having a shot of espresso yeah i know but yeah i didn't know that at the time i thought you thought it's what i don't know i just used to think that it was a bit of an edge to them german guarana was a big thing yeah i do actually is guarana still a thing i don't i mean i don't fucking you go clubbing more than i do no i'm talking about just generally they put it in drinks and that do you remember this guarana gum yeah i need to stop drinking so much coffee you're you're you've got a real yeah it's weird now you know like when people are drinking or doing cocaine i can see caffeine in people.
7:35I can see it buzzing out of your pores. Oh god.
7:38Romesh Ranganathan:I didn't think there was such a thing as an ex-coffee drinker being a prick. But here we go. I'm looking forward to getting back to caffeine. You seem a bit wired. Yeah. I don't ever feel like that. Do you have trouble sleeping? I don't. I still have trouble sleeping. I feel super relaxed. I still have trouble sleeping. Yeah. Are you doing the thing where you don't look at your phone for an hour before bed? I can't do that. Are you doing the thing where you have the same routine every night? No. Are you drinking sleepy tea? Yeah. I'm having chamomile tea. Chamomile. Chamomile, yeah. Yeah, chamomile tea.
8:08I like a little chamomile tea before bed. Yeah. So that should help. Yeah, that helps. And I try and do my breathing exercises, do some meditation. Good. Meditation I find really difficult.
8:17Romesh Ranganathan:I did an hour the other day. An hour of meditation? How the fuck are you doing it? Number one, when? Sunday morning. So basically, would you like me to talk you through my meditation journey? Yes, take me through it. so I read that meditation is really good for you yeah I mean that's yeah so I started doing five minutes wow focusing on your breathing what are you thinking of like an island or being somewhere nice and chilled um no I think what you're mistaking meditating for daydreaming no but what you're supposed to do is you focus on your breathing yeah you'll try a bit now yeah okay so close your eyes okay just have your hands on your lap palms facing upwards okay and then just close your eyes and then just take a deep breath in and then deep breath out and then just focus on the breath coming in and out of your body what are you thinking of at this time just stop asking questions.
9:24Romesh Ranganathan:What are you not thinking? I'm about to deal with that, dude. Now, if a thought pops into your head, treat it as a passing cloud. Don't dwell on it. What? A passing cloud? Just let it pass through. Okay. Anyway, it goes on like that. Anyway, so I started doing that for five minutes at a time. Then I got to 10 minutes. Yeah. Then I got to 20. Yeah. Regularly doing 20. Yeah. Pushed it to half an hour. And then the other day I decided to do an hour. and I read about it and it's just breathing pardon just sat there yeah but you do have thoughts popping to your head and stuff like that but when you come out of it you feel fucking so good what do you what are the thoughts that come into your head just general shit like am I meditating is my mind truly clear you don't think why did I say that in the text earlier is my career over anyway anyway that's what anyway so I did it now it was good do you ever like what happens if you get like sort of arousal thoughts so i have had an erection gym meditation what's the set of the gardener because i think it's partly because you're you know that you're not supposed to be thinking about stuff like yeah and then suddenly start thinking about so what you get like a full full erection yeah what are you naked at this time yeah what are you talking about you're on your own why would i be naked i'm not naked every time i'm on my own what are you wearing when you uh joggers t-shirt okay with a hole cut out so your penis can really just to stick through like so hold on and then i get a box of popcorn so with your so with the erection did you were you like i'm gonna let it be yeah yeah like sort of someone who's walked into a pub that they didn't know it was there and sort of like orders a drink and sort of isn't a local yeah but everyone lets them stay welcome to analogies that don't work with tom davis and rumish wrang and nathan so no did you just go okay like sort of stroke it just go all right your hair.
11:19Romesh Ranganathan:I don't think stroking it is going to help. I just thought, what's the best way to get rid of this? I just have a full wank. Just to, you know, knock it on the head, literally. If anyone walked in on you, would you have been... Would I have been embarrassed? Are you asking, if anyone had walked in on me, sat cross-legged, with a full erection, would I have been embarrassed? Yes. But I don't think that makes me a prude. I don't think that makes me a weirdo. Where were you at this time? I was in my office at home. Okay. Was there anyone else in the house? Yeah. Okay. But have they got a thing like, don't disturb Dad because he's doing it?
11:52Not really.
11:53Romesh Ranganathan:But if you say to your family, I'm going to meditate. It's excessive and hours meditating. They're not going, I'd love to have a look at that. It's not like there's a football match on in the next room. No, but if they came in. Sorry, that guy that we normally find boring is being completely silent. Yeah, let's pop in and have a swizz at that. Did you feel dirty? Dad's doing his impression of a sundial again. did you feel like weird after because you got an erection in the house with everyone else there well I do get erections in the house on my birthday and at Christmas no but like because you got everyone running around like being loud and shouting yeah and then you're just sitting in your office with a big erection did you not get at all like oh no this is I've got to be honest with you I do think you're embellishing my story a little bit I didn't have a fucking raging hard on
12:48by the way if you're if you're so deep in the meditation yeah how do you know that no one did walk in and see you i don't i guess i don't that's the thing yeah was anyone different with you after uh the dogs were weird i love the idea of your two dogs just sat there looking at you sit there with a big erection just going and I look at him looking sad fuck is he going to open
13:12Romesh Ranganathan:that jar of peanut butter
13:20Romesh Ranganathan:anyway I'm really sorry man I interrupted you you were talking about what were you talking about I can't remember that your morning routine or something yeah yeah yeah no no no but that's what I've got do you know what your sleep routine yeah I need to get into more meditative sort of like that I find it really hard to commit to stuff like that but I will commit to I also this is really but I've got back into playing FIFA late at night. Like sneaking off. Do you know who I met yesterday? Who? This is going to blow your fucking balls off. Go on. Miles Jacobson. I know. I've met him before. Oh. Yeah.
13:50He was at a BAFTA thing that I did. Oh, okay. He made Football Manager. Yeah, he did. He's a really cool guy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Really nice guy. Yeah. Did he give you a full... Have you got a... I'm on the circle.
14:00Romesh Ranganathan:Are you in the circle? What, a Football Manager circle? You're getting the preview. Yeah, I got the preview. I mean, I played it for a bit, but then... Hold on a second, Tom. Can I just say something, right? Genuinely, I've got some trust issues with you. Why? Okay, because you don't remember shit you've said. Go on. And I remember everything you've said. Okay. Okay? Yeah. So a few weeks ago, or maybe a couple of months ago. I wasn't in the circle. Can I say? Okay. This isn't going to make me look good. You're in the circle. Yeah, and you got really fucked off about it. I did get really fucked off.
14:29And then I DM'd Miles Jacobson. This is so sad. I can show you that on X. or was it on Instagram? One of them. And said, hey man.
14:41Romesh Ranganathan:So he'd started following you because of your hate posts? No, no. No, he'd followed me for a while. Right. But I still wasn't in the circle. I actually, by the way, had been sent before, a couple of years before, I had been sent a free version of the game. So after our conversation, I was aware that you're not a big football manager player. Why is that? Why is that? You never talk about it. I don't talk about a lot of stuff that I'm into. If you're into football manager, you'd be shy. I like making my own hummus. Have you ever heard me talk about that? What? By the way, you can't meditate, make hummus, and then play football manager.
15:12Why not? They're all very different things.
15:13Romesh Ranganathan:Of course they are. It's such a spiral. You're allowed to do different things. Yeah, but that's an insane, like, that's an insane, as a personality. Well, those aren't, I get it, I get it, but listen, I get it if those are the only three things I did. You do other stuff. Yeah. How have you, number one, I know how much you work, so how many hours are there in a day? 24. Yeah, for you to, you get me. I've delivered that to you because I wasn't sure if you knew. Yeah, right. Are you telling me you've got time to do an hour of meditation, right? I don't do it every day. I said I did it once. Okay.
15:41Romesh Ranganathan:This is where you start to... And then you're making hummus, which I know to make good hummus, that's an hour. Okay. Right. All right. Two hours, right? You work at least 12 hours a day, every day. Yeah. So that's 14 hours. I don't work 12 hours a day. Mate, you work a lot, right? Are you telling me, right, that you then have to... If you're really going to push yourself into a football manager, you need at least three hours a day. In my defence, I made the hummus thing up. I've never made a hummus thing up. I know you didn't. I just said it as an example. Yeah, but I was going to get you into sort of how you make hummus.
16:13So what happened was... I didn't want you to look silly.
16:15Romesh Ranganathan:Boy, don't you just whisk up some chickpeas? No. You need tahini, you need some other little bits and bobs. Yeah, you add some shit to it. A little bit of olive oil, some lemon. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, it's a real process. I've made hummus. It's a beautiful thing. Okay, don't say it like you're a war veteran. No, but making hummus takes care and compassion. Right. I've got compassion. What the fuck is that supposed to mean? I've got compassion. You've got compassion. You horrible c**t. But I'm just saying, right? Yeah. For you to actually sit there and make it, I don't know if you, I think you'd just blend up the hummus, like the chickpeas and go, oh, that would do.
16:46I don't know if you'd sit there and really like scientifically. What's happened to you?
16:49Romesh Ranganathan:What? Because ordinary, can I just tell you something? Something's going on with you. No. Should I tell you what the old Tom Davies would have done? Go on. Because normally what you'd do is you'd like blend up some chickpeas and go, that'll be all right. I think my homies is complete. You opened the door for yourself and you didn't walk through it. What's going on? I don't know. I was too passionate about this football manager thing because if I'm honest with you, that you taking credit as the football manager guy, I'm like... I didn't take any credit. I said to you, I'm in the circle. I'm an ex...
17:17Like, I love my football manager. I had to wean it off because I was playing the team. You didn't have to wean it off.
17:25Romesh Ranganathan:How have you managed to make that sound sexual? Because if I'm... weekend weaning off football manager. If I'm honest with you, a lot of this podcast, I'm just going to be thinking of you sat cross-legged with a massive boner. It's really hard for me not. And you've got like quite a sort of sexy boner face at the moment. I'm not completely convinced you haven't got a boner now.
17:45But what I'm saying is for football manager, you really have to immerse yourself in that world. Sure, I get it. So how many hours
17:51Romesh Ranganathan:are we talking a day? You play three hours a day. Yeah, I mean best. I mean, that's sometimes six. Six hours you spend? I got so upset. You were married with a kid. No, this is a run up to having grace. But then when the new one came out, and look, and I know that you said that I was genuinely mortified when you were like, oh, I got the free one. And then two other people I know got a free one. I was like, how am I not getting, I've done loads of posts. I've talked openly about Football Manager a lot. I'm getting no Football Manager love. And then I had to DM, I think I DMed the Football Manager page on Instagram and then Miles.
18:26And Miles didn't read my thing. I think that Miles thinks I'm a bit of a beg if I'm honest with you
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18:31Romesh Ranganathan:that's what he said yesterday do you know what would not surprise me is Miles yeah did sort of go oh you know you did a podcast you did a podcast isn't it with Thirsty Begg yeah yeah Alan Thirsty Alan Sadluck Thirsty Begg yeah yeah he was messages and we're all laughing we gave him one because we knew like you know like do you remember Menace to Society the film when that guy's sort of offering to suck people off for cheeseburgers yeah that's what I'm like with Football Manager yeah he knows he knew that I'd come out the woodwork just begging for it Miles by the way it is a bit of an insight into you that even though we're like best buddies you experience jealousy of course I do I don't experience any jealousy of you yeah of course you've got a fucking better life than I've got no I'm not you're in fucking Rick and Morty yeah yeah look okay I was jealous of that actually yeah can I say jealousy but what I didn't do is DM Rick yeah hello Rick I'm a character in a car yeah but Football manager, it was just because I'm obsessed with it.
19:29Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah, okay. I get it, I get it. And in all seriousness, I'm being a prick here, you deserve to have football manager more than I do. Well, I enjoy the game. But no, no, I'd love to know that you were playing it. I'd probably then just sync up a league with you. No, thanks. Have you ever picked up and played with it? Yeah, but I've not got deep... Who are you, Arsenal, aren't you? I was Arsenal when I played. Okay. I mean, I'm Arsenal when I played. Who should I be? Crawley Town or something? That would be... Yeah, no, you haven't got it in you to be Crawley Town. That's dedication. Got it in me to be Crawley Town.
19:56You can't take a small team like that and fucking head for the dizzy heights of the Premier League. I don't need to. That would take you years. It would take you at least two years to get Crawley into a place where there would be a self-sufficient club. Like if you were Ryan Reynolds, as a manager, you'd have to do some serious buying and selling, bring into a whole new youth team. I always think start League 2, League 3. Okay. So who are you normally? Peterborough sometimes. AFC Wimbledon. I've took Peter Britta to the Premier League one of my proudest moments I would say it becomes very unsexy though when you become really good at football
20:30Romesh Ranganathan:I don't think it becomes the more into it you get I don't think it becomes very unsexy I don't think anybody goes when he started playing when he started playing football manager it was incredibly sexy but as he started getting really into it it became less sexy no I would oh my god when Tom started playing he was so fit when he started playing football manager I couldn't believe how wet I was. He is so puffed. One day I walked in and he was just eating a cheeseburger in his pants playing football manager. He was just getting into it. I'm not sure if he'd been meditating because he was fully aroused.
21:05Romesh Ranganathan:Look, I mentioned that as a one-off thing to you, being like open. I don't want to become a fucking runner throughout the episode. You want? I just like the idea that that's when you became aroused the most. I want to know what you're thinking of as well or if it was just a breathing. I can't remember some thought of some sexual act that pops into my head. By the way, a lot of yogis have that as their very sexual beings. So you're probably entering your yogi phase. Do you ever... God, this is a really embarrassing question. Do you ever like sometimes, if you've not had an erection for a while, or like you don't remember the last...
21:39Romesh Ranganathan:Not that you don't remember, I'm not saying like months and months ago. Sometimes try and give yourself one just to sort of... See if it's still working. Yeah. Like, you know, when you've got an old car and you need to take it out and sort of road test it to make sure the engine still works. Yeah. Do you ever do that? Yeah, I mean, that is what masturbation is, right? No, but I mean, what I'm saying is sometimes it occurs to you. You just sort of stroke it on the train. Yeah. Well, just try and do it mentally. What, really? Yeah. I don't think I've ever tried. I don't think I've ever been in a situation where you think, I fucking need to run out.
22:07No, I'm not saying it needs a run out. But, like, I start thinking of stuff.
22:11Romesh Ranganathan:I've not felt anything down there for a little bit. Wow. So what's your go-to thought? Megan Fox? No, it's not Megan Fox. Why would you say that? I don't know you've got Megan Fox. That made it definitely look like it was Megan Fox.
22:31Can I just say, by the way, you have to also let it go that the apparatus isn't what it used to be. What does that mean? I know what it means, literally. Yeah, but in your 20s and 30s, it's a fully working sort of organ that's constantly... Now it's coming to its tired phase. It's not like Simba's dad in Lion King. it's not the line it once was no you know you've got
22:55Romesh Ranganathan:I would say that my I've never it's never really been Mufasa my dick even in its prime more like Scar it is more like Scar yeah just a jealous jealous looking over at the other lines
23:15Romesh Ranganathan:yeah I don't think mine's had a prime really you don't you maybe your prime's coming all this breathing and the yoga i don't think so um this yeah mate you're sitting there with an erection for an hour i didn't have an erection for a full i didn't even happen during that session okay i thought you had an erection for an hour it's sad isn't it to think we're on we're like what age do you reckon we started to decline mate i can tell you exactly 34 so 34 we start to go on the way down muscles are just declining all the time. So I was at the football and I was in like, don't start giving me shit, I was in Hospitalo.
23:52Romesh Ranganathan:Of course. Somebody asked for... By the way, that's the only way I'd imagine you're going to football. Why? Why are you saying that? Well, because you're going to get loads of hassle otherwise. I did get loads of hassle regardless actually. Oh, really? At the football, I don't want to get into a big rant about this. People are quite rude at the football when I get photos. More so than any other context. No, no, boxing, football, any sports event. Anyway. Apart from Wimbledon. This is a real ick, what I'm about to describe. Somebody approached me from behind. You're really on a real childish one today.
24:23Romesh Ranganathan:No, it's because you made it this level with the whole show off about your erection. I'm bent over the table with my pants down. somebody
24:39no so I do feel a lot of the energy here is because we're trying to believe we're not a corporate I know I know this is so shit
24:45Romesh Ranganathan:anyway cocks and fucking tits and stag dudes fucking getting smashed and doing lines maybe we should go and see our stag dude yeah well he's not getting married is he he's still getting married
25:00Romesh Ranganathan:what a weird way to find out hello Tom it's Theo are you right to tell my dad on the podcast live that I'm getting married to my girlfriend that's the maddest impression of Theo I've ever heard oh hello hi Tom it's Theo here Romish's son yeah I can tell that by your voice yeah just wondering if I'm actually getting married and can you let dad know live on the podcast so yeah so you're a guy approached me from behind for a photo yeah he says Romesh can I bother you a second I turn like that and I twinge something in my back oh no and then I'm not right for the rest of the day still not right now as I talked to you today where on your back both sides here just feels a bit twingy and every time I sort of look I can feel it now and that's from going like that that's how fucking old I am bro that's how old I am it's over can I say for all of us it's like mate I've been through the wars recently spider bite on my foot okay don't throw it away like that what I have been bitten what are you talking about I got bitten by a spider on my foot I didn't Saturday night we should say to people this actually reminds me one of the things that we haven't said about one of the changes to the podcast we are doing this from the Amazon we should be clear about that no this is the mad thing what the fuck are you talking about English spiders mate it's actually Good old fashioned English spiders.
26:24I can show you my foot if you want. It's swollen. It's red. Okay. Can I say actually, by the way, I put a picture up on Instagram. I know you're not on there anymore. So I know that you'd have jumped on this if you were. I put a picture up pre-gig last night. Why? Of my foot just going. I've had a spider bite in the foot. I might have to do my gig without a shoe. Just for banter.
26:44Romesh Ranganathan:Oh God, this is so sad. Just write some fucking material. Why? Why? The bar is so low now. So I put it out. The amount of trolling and abuse I've had about my toe. The size of it. Just generally your toe. Yeah, just the size of it. Yeah. And also my feet look disgusting. People shouldn't say. First of all, I don't think you should ever put your foot up for public display. Some people like seeing pictures of it. I know they do. And they're horrible perverts. Yeah, yeah. But you know there's that Rate My Foot? Yeah. What is the website called? Should we look this up now, actually? Is it called Rate My Foot?
27:15Romesh Ranganathan:I'm incredibly distracted today. What's all that coffee you've drunk? Oh, my God. What? I cannot fucking believe this. Oh, shut up. What do you think your rating is out of five? I don't know. Two? Five. What? Are you joking? I'm not joking. Mate, the trolling I get about my feet. Five stars. Tom Davis's WikiFeet score, five stars. What pictures of my feet have they got out there? They've got one of you in the King Gary opening sequence. Yeah. They've got one where you've sort of posted a photo with a hot dog. A hot dog? Yeah. There's one. Okay, one of them is clearly not of you. There's loads of you from King Gary.
27:57Romesh Ranganathan:You've had your feet out a lot in King Gary. Wow. Five. That is probably the sexiest I've ever felt. Okay, so should we have a look at mine now? Yeah. WikiFeet Romesh. You've had your feet out in a lot of things, right? Oh, my God. What is your feet score? 4.3. That's not bad. You're five. Yeah, I know. But if I'm on a trivia, but look let me show you this picture of my i'm going to show you this picture i put an amount of okay first of all before we get into that you need to do this story in the right order how did you get bitten on the foot i've got no idea how i got bitten by a spider how do you know do you see it happen right no no so listen have you felt your dna's changed at all have you tried climbing a wall yeah i tried to do this and nothing happened okay um i saturday evening after the gigging commentary right how was the gigging commentary warwick art center fun always always fun i hate the lighting in the room maybe the worst lighting on very bright yeah it's very bright um fun show i get in the car with gratz to go home and i was like something's up my foot's in pain i don't know if i bang my stubbed hit my toe or something i literally was um woke up the next morning it had swollen quite a lot i then thought to cat i said to katherine i think i might have been ingrained toenail bed chat was sexy that morning yeah um and my foot had swollen up quite a bit went out to london with katherine and grace had the day there uh got in the car with gratz show of grats my foot again and grats was like you've been bitten and you could see a little sort of famous type thing by a spider so grats grats diagnosed it for you well then Dennis who you know has worked very well Dennis is almost like an expert with bites it does make sense actually so and that is we should say this on behalf of the podcast if you do have a bite or anything like that you're not sure about it first of all go to a comedy tour manager and if that person gives you the first opinion always get a second opinion from a sound guy that's just standard procedure it's a Sunday one every Sunday evening so now I'm going to go to a pharmacy after this see if I see what they think because it's painful right up to my my calf now I can feel it there are you winding me up no it's really that sounds serious yeah I mean but also I didn't know we had venomous spiders I didn't know that's a thing where I don't think we do mate whatever this is I mean I'm quite happy to get my foot out I mean please disgusting my feet are disgusting um how often do you cut your toenails yeah oh no how long are they they're not long long no they're short I go really short like my hair but that's why I've got these trainers on because the other ones that I had were just a bit too
30:29look there on my foot can you see how
30:32Romesh Ranganathan:why are you putting your foot onto my leg so you can see it what the fuck are you doing why are you putting it so close to my fucking face bro so you can see it just put it I can see it from here how bad do you think my fucking eyesight is yeah look See how red it is? Yeah, that's bad. Do you think? It's so painful. Tom, when you cut your toenails, are you using a junior hacksaw?
31:04Romesh Ranganathan:What the fuck are you using? What the fuck are you using to cut your toenails? I like them really short. Yeah, but what are you doing? what tool are you using it was quite a blunt nail clipper that I found what are you like what are you I asked we were backstage in Glasgow right and I asked a lady if she had like a toenail clipper yeah if there's any toenail clippers yeah and she was like I don't know yeah and lucky enough so you're backstage at a gig and you asked for toenail clippers but there'd been some stuff left from yeah and she went through some yeah okay like beauty supplies and I was lucky enough yeah lucky enough yeah but they weren't they were quite blunt you see that do you know what it looks like your toenail has been cut by natural erosion from the waterline
31:58it looks like
31:59Romesh Ranganathan:it looks like the sea has been lapping up against your toenail and gradually it's been pushed back I've got white cream on there hopefully that's not got on your trousers Oh, fucking hell. But that's what I'm dealing with. It's a lot of pain. It's really like... Don't do that noise.
32:25Romesh Ranganathan:Very agonising. How the fuck has that got five stars? It's hideous. They're not looking the best. You've got to remember they're swollen. You're swollen. I used to have a... You used a stapler to cut your toenails. Do you know what? Well, Catherine used to cut my toenails for me. Did she? And then, yeah. Is that, it was about then that you stopped having sex permanently? No, now she stopped. She's like, yeah. Yeah, I can't. I'm doing it myself. I'm completely dry. And if I'm honest with you, I always do one foot really well. I take a bit of those ones. Which ones that was? It's the bell one. That's my lead foot.
33:01Romesh Ranganathan:I think you're big toenail. I mean, I think you've definitely been, you've got something going on. Yeah, yeah. Do I think you should be allowed to cut your own toenails going forward? No. Look at an old man. I think those are about three stages of foot care away from being ready to go and have a manicure. Have you had a manicure? Yeah. Yeah, they're amazing, right? Oh, so good. Because your feet look a different colour afterwards. They just get their life back in them. Yeah. I mean, yours will.
33:31I now worry about my feet. I'm going away with Catherine in a couple of weeks. They need sorting out, don't they?
33:36Romesh Ranganathan:Well, I think they need, I'll be honest with you, I think they need replacing. We're going away. I think you need to get a turkey. I think you need to get some turkey feet. Turkey toes. I've all my toes chopped off like a witch from a Roald Dahl movie. I'm going away with Catherine now. I'm a bit conscious of it. Tom's got a turkey from surgery. I was finally getting his hair. No. Just get his toes done. I just think you need a pedicure. Yeah, I'm going to get one before I go away. Because your big toenail is jagged. it looks like a shit prison shank it looks like the outside of you know when you use the old school can opener you know when Popeye it's a spinach you know what the lid looks like I look like I've cut my toenails with a can opener yeah that's the better foot I think and what makes me more worried if you want to be honest is the fact that you were able to get that out without really any kind of hesitation knowing that your toenail looked like that I didn't realise they looked that bad if I'm honest with you but also you were sort of slightly bragging you went a lot to keep them really really short I didn't know that you were such a toe connoisseur I'm not a toe connoisseur I didn't know you were a toe snob I'm not a toe snob but it looked like it looked fucking mad yeah I mean I cut them quickly backstage in Glasgow it looked like the outline of a Pixar character's hair is it really that jagged?
34:56it's so jagged I need to have another look at it I'm worried about it now
35:01Romesh Ranganathan:I'm surprised that you're not shredding sheets for those and socks you know what it's a brave spider blimey thank god you don't wear tights it's a brave spider that's climbed across that toe what made Graz think it was a spider he had a detailed look at it by the way Graz didn't mention my toenails once he had a Tom Tom can I tell you something Graz is your tour manager okay his job is to keep your spirits up what he's not going to say is fucking hell look at your disgusting toenails. Okay. And Dinesh is the nicest man. Even your brother had a look at it. Did Dinesh not say anything about your toenails?
35:44Romesh Ranganathan:No, no. I don't think, I think Dinesh is not at the right level of familiarity with you yet. Can I say Dinesh, by the way, he brought some mutton rolls to the gig. Incredible. Let's not talk about mutton rolls. How were they? Were they good? How many did you have? Four. Four. Yeah. Did you have one, and then while Dinesh was on stage, you're thinking, oh, fuck it. No, no, no. I had two in quick succession because he was watching. He brought them in. He was very... Did he bring the tamarind ketchup? No, he didn't. No, no, no. Nice, though, isn't it? Yeah, beautiful. Very good. I'll bring you some in next time if you want.
36:12I'll bring them very good. I'm going to mix them as well. Really? Yeah. Oh, I'd love the homemade ones. Oh, hello. Yeah.
36:18Romesh Ranganathan:You reacted a bit like I did mid-meditation. Full erection. Full mutton roll erection. Homemade mutton rolls, yeah. My mutton roll had a little bit of life in it. Yeah, so the spider bite is. But what I'm saying is, but the spider bite now means I'm limping. So now I can feel friction in both hips. Oh, right. Yeah. So you feel like age is getting, but because both of our muscle is deteriorating. Yeah. Big time. How's your ball bag? In what sense? Well, you know, people always say that when you get older, your ball bag starts to drop, doesn't it? Yeah. I mean, it's not as taut as it used to be.
36:52Romesh Ranganathan:Right. Yeah. Are you noticing that? Cause I'm, I'm contemplating measuring. Really? Like just, you know, like how, when you were a kid, yeah, they do the height. yeah yeah yeah i'm thinking about just like having a little graph down the inside of your leg you could have that tattoo the line keeps dropping you can have that's a great idea that's a good tattoo just have a marker line for the yeah i might get that yeah i mean yeah i'd probably draw it on myself and then ask him to i'm not going to say can you do it right can you measure the circle line yeah yeah it's not as tall as it once was like if it was a sort of like boxing bag it would probably be taken down and sort of re-leathered.
37:28Yeah. Yeah. I think it is the thing that signifies your age. Yeah. When was the last time you saw another man's ball bag?
37:37Romesh Ranganathan:Not for years. In the gym. In the gym, but I've not been to the gym for a long time. I was in the gym the other week. Yeah. And I just, a guy there, I don't know if this is actually. What's happening here is you're unsure of how many dudes are sure about your behaviour. Yeah. because I don't know what it yeah so there's a guy getting changed he's probably in you know early 30s yeah handsome guy kind of sort of sort of slicked back hair yeah looked like a sort of yeah go get probably quite a corporate guy actually yeah and he paraded around the changing room naked for quite some time yeah he had an incredible penis and ball bag in what way incredible well his ball bag was like shorter than his penis for a start his penis was yeah even even as we say in the technical term on the flop I mean this is a very like this episode I'm very aware it's probably as raunchy as we've ever been it's really pathetic because we said we wouldn't respond to criticism and now because we've had a couple of comments about being corporate we've decided to do the blue podcast for some reason talk exclusively about genitals I couldn't talk exclusively about genitals I couldn't stop looking at it as he was parading around yeah and he was so confident I would be too yeah I mean every part of his body was perfect yeah and then I sort of someone caught me looking but they were also looking there was a couple of us sort of like you know sort of more sort of flumbersome chaps yeah sort of you know who just I don't know how free are you sort of getting your genitals out no I'm not that guy I think if I'm at the gym yeah which is never now you've got I think maybe a one and a half second window of opportunity to see my junk.
39:22Yeah. As I did the switch. So I'm under a towel still. Right. Yeah. I'm an under a towel guy.
39:29Romesh Ranganathan:Because I just can't. I don't want to confirm what people suspect. Because when you do League of Their Own stuff and you're doing things like that. They're very, they're very, very comfortable in that show. Yeah. And so since I switched to hosting, then I wasn't involved in any of the games so I didn't have to do any of that getting to my stuff. But when I was like a team regular, it was difficult because I'm very shy in that regard. Whereas, you know, if you've grown up around sports teams, you just walk around naked anyway. I remember doing a, we did a road trip once and you did it obviously with a number of these, but they, and then I got dropped out.
40:05Well, you became the big, big cheese, a big corporate. Yeah, then I'd be doing the VA. So, I remember like, it was the first time, I think it was the first road trip I did. Yeah. We were doing it in Holland. Is this with Anthony Joshua? AJ, Jamie, sorry AJ yeah AJ Jamie and Freddie yeah and they were like alright everyone's gonna go upstairs you're all gonna get changed quickly and we're gonna go on to the next thing and we had one hotel room I think AJ had his own hotel room because it was me Freddie and Jamie in the room and one shower AJ famously
40:35Romesh Ranganathan:tiny dick yeah I think I think AJ's packing he's got the measure I don't think you can be a boxer with a tiny dick because I think what may say that you couldn't be Why? Isn't it an advantage? Why? You have too much pin-up aggression. And I think, yeah. Okay. Show me a boxer with a small dick. I'll show you a guy who's taken a beating or two. What a weird thing to say. I genuinely think we had to call this the penis episode. Anyway. This has been so base. Yeah. I actually think also, I think our ratio, gender split, is more women listeners than me. they must be absolutely appalled I feel disgusted sorry we're just going to talk about this for another 10-15 minutes so we you go to this room to get all changed in and there's a shower there and everyone's you have a quick shower, get changed we're going to go and do the next thing whatever we've done we've been sweating quite a bit and Freddie just ragged off Freddie took all his clothes off straight away and he's like parading around naked and then sort of gets in the shower and then comes out naked.
41:50He's dried himself off and he's just chatty. It's very normal for him. The anxiety I had about the shower situation, I was like, I haven't got it in me to come out of the shower naked. Like, Jamie then followed suit, did exactly the same thing. Completely naked? Yeah, he came out of the shower to have scrubbed and dried himself. He wasn't quite as open with his, you know, but he still sort of, you know, I, I was really well I locked the door as hard as I could put a chair up behind it and I was sort of and it because also it wasn't unusual for that show for someone to come bursting and take a picture of you in the shower 100 % I locked the door and Freddie went why are you locking the door?
42:32That's a problem because you're highlighting yourself
42:34Romesh Ranganathan:as a prude yeah and then all I could think of as I was having my shower is the fact that yeah what was the way and I sort of, I took all, I huddled up all my clothes like I was crossing, like I see like a cowboy when he's crossing the river, he takes off his hat and his boots and everything and holds them on top of his horse. I'd gathered up all of my things that I was changing into. So they knew that, yeah, and sort of I came out, sort of all changed and they were sort of giggling to themselves a bit. Sort of, yeah. That was sad. Yeah, it was. Really sad. Did you ever find that one? I was very careful.
43:11Romesh Ranganathan:Yeah. Did you ever get bagged? Did you ever have your trousers pulled down? No, they did try a few times. But I used to... This is really... I've not admitted this. But every time I filmed on League of Their Own Road Trip, I'd have a pair of shorts on underneath my trousers in case I got bagged. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to. I used to do my belt up so fucking tight. I used to staple my trousers to my waist. It would literally cause pain to my legs. Because as much as I love those guys... I love them. We were the targets, weren't we? Of course, of course, yeah. I do think part of the reason we got booked for that is because they were like, who'd be the funny person to absolutely just destroy?
43:48Yeah, yeah. I would say there were certain people who really incited that behavior. I mean, I got, I think, bagged. I got bagged twice.
43:58Romesh Ranganathan:If you don't mind me saying about you, you are the sort of person that deplores bullying until you discover that you're on the right side of it. In which case, you will fucking tuck it. It goes for everyone. That's not true of me. Oh, really? Yeah, I find it absolutely abhorrent. No, I think that there's a part... I think I knew what my place was in that show, and quite a lot of the time it would be to be the butt of the joke. Yeah. I think I got a wedgie on that show so badly, it ripped. Is it called an atomic wedgie? Atomic wedgie, yeah. Well, atomic wedgies, isn't it where they pull the thing over your head?
44:36Yeah, but then the pants, my underpants ripped at the gusset.
44:39Romesh Ranganathan:We'd hope so. Yeah. Not hope so. I'm not saying that. I hope that for you. No, it was fucking painful and then had to do this whole show with no knickers on. It was sort of... Did you have a sore bridge? Yes. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we're back all roads lead to Rome on this. Well, if you're talking about pants, it's not that unlikely. But I do, yeah. I sort of knew what, yeah. I was like, okay, cool. That's... I don't think I ever got to a place where I was, you know, on that side of it. Yeah. I was always, you know, getting, you know, the joke was had on me. Okay. well look listen before we wrap things up with your final thought what I'd like to do I do think we need to record now an apology for this episode and then that can be put at the beginning so let's you know let's do this properly what like politicians yeah I'm happy to do a lot I mean I don't I don't know if a politician would have to apologise for talking about genitals in the time I think you're very naive in the fact that I think that's probably all they're talking about at the moment okay alright bloody hell fucking hell somebody sign them up for SNL
45:43Romesh Ranganathan:okay i thought it was good what do you think yeah i actually really really good all right tom would you like we should do a whole episode like that candy if you want yeah do you want to we could do the email we could start the email okay all right go for it um living in the past from cocks living in the past friend balls it's hard isn't it stepping out of the past Gooch. There's something refreshing and relaxing about knowing what's been. Smelly balls. Knowing about the world that you've lived in already, the steps you've taken before. Penis. There's something quite refreshing, reassuring. I quite like it.
46:20It's like being on a rap album.
46:22Romesh Ranganathan:What kind of fucking rap album are you listening to? Anyway, carry on, go on. Refreshing, reassuring, comfortable about knowing what's been before. It's actually nerve-wracking thinking about the future. it holds so many hidden moments so many hidden gems yeah am i going to trip over that curb am i going to slip over that ice we never know none of us know and that's why some people live in the past that's why some people wear the aftershave they found when they were 15 because they're too scared to try a new fragrance why do i have potato waffles with every meal instead of having mashed potato that's something comfortable about potato waffles it's an old friend with a reassuring arm around your shoulder.
47:01But the truth is, we can't all live in the past. We have to step into the future. Some people say the present is your friend and the future is a...
47:13Some people say the present is your friend and the future is an unarcing devil that could mean it takes your life in any which route. But the truth of the matter is, sometimes we have to step forward, not knowing what we're going to do. Sometimes it's easier to fall forward rather than falling back, falling into something you don't know rather than the comfort of the things you do. So today, when you go out, try not to think too much about the past. Try not to think about the comfortable armchair that you have, about victories that you did before. Think about victories you've got in the future.
47:45Think about moments that you're going to really, really smash something. Hey, Billy, Joan, Kev, you've got this. I believe you have. Who am I saying this? I'm just the guy that woke up this morning thinking, I wonder what today will bring. yesterday was pretty crap got bitten by a spider but I really hope today I get kissed by a fly
48:07Romesh Ranganathan:really good thank you really good I like the closing line really good yeah yeah thank you I like the closing line really good yeah thank you thank you so much for listening and watching to the Wolf on Our Podcast if you've got any emails wolfourpod.gmail.com but remember you should be liking and subscribing like subscribe and become a part of the tribe like subscribe become part of the tribe and enjoy the vibe my guys we're talking about nothing but balls and goochers over here baby take care boom
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The guys kick off with an apology for the amount of penis chat, rebel against allegations of corporate greed, and Romesh tries to talk about meditating but somehow ends up somewhere else entirely.
Tom goes into detail about the spider bite on his foot, and erections turn out to be more of a running theme than anyone planned.
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