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Episode Title
How Giving Over Its Oil to the U.S. Could Revive Venezuela’s Economy
Date
January 9, 2025
Host
Alex Ossola
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Episode Overview In this episode, the discussion centers on the potential economic benefits for Venezuela if it transfers its oil to the U.S., as well as a review of the latest U.S. labor market data. The episode features insights from WSJ reporters Kejal Vyas and Harriet Torry, touching on the fragile political dynamics involved in the oil transfer and the implications for the U.S. economy.
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Key Discussions
- Venezuela's Oil Transfer to the U.S.
- Potential Economic Benefits:
- The U.S. could receive up to 50 million barrels of Venezuelan oil, offering a chance to revitalize the struggling Venezuelan economy.
- The plan could alleviate Venezuela’s backlog in oil shipments, where 30-35 million barrels are currently in storage.
- Conditions for Success:
- A stable political relationship between the U.S. and Venezuela is essential. The U.S. must ensure that oil sale proceeds benefit the Venezuelan people, not the corrupt regime.
- Ensuring proper money management to stimulate imports and the private sector is critical.
- Challenges:
- Past economic mismanagement has created a complicated financial landscape in Venezuela.
- The country's human capital and infrastructure are severely lacking, with a dysfunctional power grid leading to frequent blackouts.
- Investor Hesitation:
- Many investors view Venezuela as "uninvestable" due to the lack of rule of law and secure commercial frameworks.
- U.S. Labor Market Insights
- Current Job Statistics:
- December 2025 showed a gain of only 50,000 jobs, demonstrating a slowdown from previous years.
- The unemployment rate decreased slightly to 4.4%, reflecting a historically low level.
- Economic Context:
- Despite strong economic growth, hiring has been cautious due to tariff-related cost increases and declining consumer sentiment.
- The "quits rate," a measure of job seekers' confidence, is down, indicating a cautious job market outlook.
- Federal Reserve Implications:
- Policymakers are observing weak job growth but a declining unemployment rate, suggesting that the Fed may maintain current interest rates in January.
- Political Developments in Iran
- Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei rejected demands for regime change amidst protests driven by inflation and economic dissatisfaction.
- President Trump expressed potential U.S. intervention if Iran responds violently to the protests.
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Additional News Highlights
- Oil Industry Response:
- President Trump met with oil executives in an attempt to encourage investment in Venezuela; however, the response was tepid.
- Market Performance:
- Major U.S. stock indexes rose, with the Dow and S&P reaching new records.
- Mergers and Acquisitions:
- Merck is in talks to acquire Revolution Medicines for approximately $30 billion.
- Global Affairs:
- Russia launched a hypersonic missile against Ukraine, and the EU is working on a trade deal with South American nations to reduce dependence on the U.S. and China.
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Conclusion This episode of WSJ What’s News highlights the complex interplay between international relations, economic strategy, and domestic labor market trends. The discussions emphasize the cautious optimism surrounding Venezuela's potential economic revival through oil sales, while also addressing the broader implications of current labor market conditions in the U.S. and geopolitical tensions in Iran.
For more updates, listeners can look forward to a weekly market wrap-up and a deeper dive into President Trump's domestic agenda in future episodes.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOAnalyzing the Labor Market
0:45 to 2:47
Discussion on the latest labor market report and its implications.
“The last Labor Department jobs report for 2025 came out today, showing more of the same for the U.S.”
Venezuela's Oil and Economic Recovery
2:47 to 3:41
Exploration of how Venezuela's oil transfer could revive its economy.
“that were supposed to be confidential until this morning.”
Challenges in Venezuela's Economic Plan
3:41 to 4:50
Challenges that may hinder Venezuela's plan to benefit from oil sales.
“So there's still a lot of details on this plan that we do not know.”
Investors' Concerns and Opportunities
4:50 to 7:13
Delving into investor sentiments regarding Venezuela's oil industry.
“There's also one other important potential benefit.”
Global and Domestic News Update
7:13 to 11:28
Overview of key global and domestic news stories, including protests in Iran.
“And in Washington today, Trump met at the White House with some of those people he wants to invest in Venezuela.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:03The U.S. labor market finished off 2025 with another month of slow hiring. Plus, why the U.S. selling Venezuela's oil could be a ticket to the South American country's turnaround. All of this really hinges on a very, very fragile political detente between the U.S. and Venezuela. So ensuring that this money gets to them is going to be very vital for the stability of the Venezuelan economy. And Iran's leader says he won't bow down to protesters or President Trump as demonstrations rock Tehran. It's Friday, January 9th. I'm Alex Osilev for The Wall Street Journal. This is the PM edition of What's News, the top headlines and business stories that move the world today.
0:48The last Labor Department jobs report for 2025 came out today, showing more of the same for the U.S. economy. Hiring's still weak, but businesses also aren't slashing jobs left and right. For December, American employers added 50 ,000 jobs, a tiny bit less than the month before. And the unemployment rate inched down to 4.4%. That's pretty low historically, which is good. To help us dissect the latest job numbers, I'm joined now by WSJ economics correspondent Harriet Torrey. Harriet, in your story, you quote an economist who says we're at an inflection point. Walk us through that a little bit. What has been on employers' minds this year that's been making them wary of hiring?
1:26So the overall number of jobs added in 2025 was 584 ,000. And that is a dramatic slowdown from 2024 when the economy added too many in jobs. So it's been a very unusual year in the sense that economic growth has actually been really strong. And yet we've seen this real slowdown in hiring. So what's going on? You know, a lot of businesses seem to be very cautious because of the tariff environment. That has increased costs for businesses. And one way that businesses can try and save costs is by hiring fewer people. And we've seen consumer sentiment really plunge. We've seen the quits rate drop a lot, which is kind of a measure of how confident people feel about finding a new job.
2:07So 2026 is going to be an interesting year because we could see people start to feel more confident about the outlook for tariffs and inflation. But at the same time, there just seems to be this general hesitation. And it's taking job seekers longer to find work. And a lot of people are struggling. We know the Fed has been very concerned that the labor market could all of a sudden take a turn for the worse. What does this jobs report signal to policymakers? So the good news for the Fed is that the unemployment rate ticked down. But at the same time, job growth is still pretty weak. The general consensus is that they're likely to stay on hold in January.
2:43That was WSJ economics correspondent Harriet Torrey. And speaking of today's jobs report, President Trump last night posted some stats from it online that were supposed to be confidential until this morning. The White House says it was an accident.
2:59The Coast Guard took control of an oil tanker early this morning, the fifth such seizure in the U.S. campaign to track down Venezuelan oil. And U.S. officials say they're looking at other ships that are trying to evade the U.S. blockade on sanctioned tankers traveling to and from Venezuela. The Trump administration has big plans for the country's oil. As you've heard from us this week, President Trump says Venezuela is turning over up to 50 million barrels to the U.S., and the money from those sales would benefit both countries. Some economists say this plan could actually help Venezuela's economy.
3:30I'm joined now by journal reporter Kejal Vias, who's in Bogota, Colombia. Kejal, break down how exactly this would work. What does it depend on for Venezuela to benefit from turning over its oil? So there's still a lot of details on this plan that we do not know. The U.S. has said that it will handle Venezuela's oil sales, hold proceeds of those sales in some account controlled by the U.S. government and will eventually transfer that money to Venezuela, but they say they will do so in a way that does not enrich the corrupt regime and does not enrich the fat cats, so to speak. They want this money to be only used for the benefit of Venezuelan people and stimulating imports.
4:12Now, as kind of extraordinary of an idea as that sounds, There are some economists who say that this could actually sort out some kinks in the Venezuelan system over the years. Most importantly, on the corruption aspect, Venezuela's public finances have been an absolute black box in recent years. And so if the U.S. comes through with a promise to efficiently get money to the private sector, to importers, it could resolve many of the problems that the country has faced. At the same time, it also alleviates a huge backlog in Venezuela's oil industry. 30, 35 million barrels of oil that are just stuck in Venezuelan storage facilities that can't go out.
4:54There's also one other important potential benefit. This effectively implies a restart of commercial ties between Venezuela and the U.S. of current oil shipments, a significant portion of them go to China and do not generate any cash at all because a lot of it goes to pay back debts from years ago that the government took on from Beijing. So it sounds like a pretty big opportunity here for Venezuela to reenter the global economy. What could stop this plan from happening? All of this really hinges on a very, very fragile political detente between the U.S. and Venezuela. If the U.S. takes oil and does not pay Venezuela, we're talking a huge devastating effect on the local economy, which has already been decimated.
5:42There's already many economists who have warned of famine, food shortages, medicine shortages, things that have actually happened in recent years in Venezuela during its very turbulent economic downward spiral. And so ensuring that this money gets to them is going to be very, vital for the stability of the Venezuelan economy. So let's assume that the U.S. does do what it says it's going to do and does give that money, the proceeds from the oil sales to Venezuela. What are some other challenges to restoring Venezuela's decimated economy? They have huge human capital shortages, you know, worker shortages.
6:17There's a shaky power grid, leaves much of the country in blackouts very routinely. These things are going to have to be fixed, not just for the well-being of average folks, but also to get the oil industry up and running again, which the U.S. is really counting on for this entire plan to work. And there's a direct link between the economic well-being of the country and its political situation. Many investors simply do not perceive any semblance of rule of law. And so for them to put money into the country, they need institutions. They need guarantees that the government is going to uphold its end of the bargain.
6:55We see many people from the opposition in Venezuela really emphasizing that point, that all these plans from the Trump administration sound nice and getting the economy back on its feet is very vital, but that there also must be some sense of urgency in restoring democratic norms and order in the country. That was Journal reporter Cajal Villas. Thanks, Cajal. Thank you. And in Washington today, Trump met at the White House with some of those people he wants to invest in Venezuela. Executives from nearly two dozen oil companies. He was met with a lukewarm response. Executives from Chevron, which already operates in Venezuela, as well as ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips, and other companies signaled that they were willing to examine new opportunities, but they need security guarantees.
7:40Exxon CEO Darren Woods said Venezuela is currently uninvestable without major changes to the country's commercial frameworks and its legal system. But Exxon could have a technical team visit the country to assess the state of Venezuelan assets within the next couple of weeks.
7:59In markets, the three major U.S. indexes each rose by less than 1%, with the Dow and the S &P hitting their latest records. Pharma company Merck is in talks to acquire Revolution Medicines in a deal that could value the cancer drug biotech company at$30 billion. That's according to people familiar with the matter. A deal could come later this month. And Facebook parent Meta is backing new nuclear power projects and becoming a big customer of some existing plants to fuel its AI data centers. Financial details weren't disclosed. Coming up, what we know about the woman killed in Minneapolis and the ICE agent who shot her.
8:37Plus, Iran's leader strikes a defiant tone in the face of protests. That's after the break.
8:52In Minneapolis, local officials are calling on the FBI to include state law enforcement in an investigation into the shooting of 37-year-old Renee Nicole Good by an ICE agent earlier this week. Minnesota officials say they're also launching their own investigation. The ICE agent is a 43-year-old man named Jonathan Ross. He is a firearms instructor who is part of an elite unit within ICE that handles high-risk arrests. The Department of Homeland Security says he has more than 10 years of experience in his job. More details are also emerging about Goode. She was a mother of three and a writer of poetry.
9:27She and her wife started a home repair company in 2024. In a statement provided to Minnesota Public Radio, Goode's wife says the couple stopped at the ICE enforcement operation on Wednesday to support their neighbors. The shooting has put state and city officials at odds with the Trump administration, which has said that Minnesota law enforcement has no jurisdiction in the probe and defended the ICE agent.
9:52In international news, Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei said today that he has no plans to give up power and blame the unrest in Tehran on people he said are, quote, vandals trying to please the United States. Protests have swept the country as anger over inflation and a tumbling currency have turned to calls for regime change.
10:15In an interview aired on Fox News last night, President Trump said the U.S. would intervene if Iran's government cracks down on demonstrations with deadly force. These people are totally unarmed people. And they love their country. They want something to happen. Look at their country. They've gone back 150 years. But I've told them that if they do anything bad to these people, we're going to hit them very hard. Russia launched a powerful and rarely used hypersonic missile against Ukraine that hit near the Polish border and damaged infrastructure. No casualties were reported. Ukraine has been in negotiations with the U.S.
10:51over a peace plan, while Russia has hardened its position on ending the war. And the European Union has approved a trade deal with Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay in an effort to reduce the EU's economic reliance on the U.S. and China. Some European countries like France oppose the deal, and the EU Parliament still needs to approve it. And that's What's News for this week. Tomorrow you can look out for our weekly markets wrap-up, What's News in Markets. Then on Sunday we'll be discussing President Trump's domestic agenda for 2026. That's in What's News Sunday. and we'll be back with our regular show on Monday morning.
11:26Today's show is produced by Pierre Bien-Aimé with supervising producer Tali Arbel. Michael LaValle wrote our theme music. Jessica Fenton is our technical manager. Aisha El-Muslim is our development producer. Chris Inslee is our deputy editor. And Philana Patterson is the Wall Street Journal's head of news audio. I'm Alex Osula. Thanks for listening.
11:53Thank you.
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P.M. Edition for Jan. 9. The U.S. taking up to 50 million barrels of Venezuela’s oil could end up being an economic boon for the South American country. But WSJ reporter Kejal Vyas says that depends on a number of things going right. Plus, President Trump hosted executives from nearly two dozen oil companies at the White House to push them to invest in Venezuela. He was met with a lukewarm response. And new data shows the U.S. labor market finished out 2025 with another month of slow job gains. We hear from Journal economics correspondent Harriet Torry about what those numbers suggest for this year’s economy. Alex Ossola hosts.
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