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WSJ What’s News Podcast Episode Summary
Episode Title
Trump Administration Ends Its Immigration Surge in Minnesota
Episode Date
February 12, 2023
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Overview This episode of the WSJ What’s News podcast, hosted by Alex Ossola, discusses the termination of "Operation Metro Surge" in Minnesota by the Trump administration. The episode features insights from WSJ immigration policy reporter Michelle Hackman and covers several key topics including immigration policy, economic trends, and current political developments.
Key Segments
- Ending of Operation Metro Surge
- Announcement: Border czar Tom Homan declares the end of Operation Metro Surge in Minnesota.
- Goals and Achievements:
- Homan claims the operation achieved its objectives.
- Hackman suggests the administration seeks to de-escalate due to backlash following the deaths of two U.S. citizens during federal operations.
- Public Response:
- Protests erupted in Minnesota, particularly after the shooting incident involving federal agents.
- Minnesota Governor Tim Walz expressed that the operation left significant damage and economic ruin in the state.
- Political Reactions and Implications
- Democratic Victory: Minnesota Democrats claim a win against ICE, emphasizing local economic impacts.
- Economic Impact:
- Fear of ICE led to reduced participation of immigrants in the local economy, affecting businesses reliant on their labor.
- Hackman predicts extensive economic repercussions as immigrants begin reintegrating into the workforce.
- Congressional Developments
- Funding Blockage: Senate Democrats blocked a bill to fund the Department of Homeland Security, risking a government shutdown.
- Negotiations Stalled: Lack of progress in negotiations regarding immigration enforcement restrictions.
- Future Outlook: Senate Majority Leader John Stoon noted a lack of urgency, anticipating a possible deal in the near future.
- Financial Trends
- Rising Financial Strain: New data reveals middle-class Americans increasingly falling behind on mortgage and credit payments, with the average client of credit counselors earning $70,000.
- Inflation Impact: Rising costs are shifting debt from discretionary to survival expenses.
- Stock Market Update
- Market Decline: U.S. stocks dropped, particularly in the tech sector, amid concerns regarding AI's impact on various industries.
- Bond Market Demand: Significant interest in corporate bonds despite concerns over an AI bubble, as investors seek higher yields compared to government bonds.
- Housing Market Analysis
- Home Sales Decline: January saw an 8.4% drop in home sales, attributed to weather and high mortgage rates.
- Future Projections: The spring season will be crucial for potential recovery in the housing market.
- International Affairs
- Iranian Protests: The Trump administration's covert operation involved smuggling Starlink terminals into Iran to facilitate internet access for protesters.
- Military Incident: A U.S. Navy ship collided with a supply vessel, causing minor injuries, with an ongoing investigation into the incident.
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Conclusion The episode reflects a critical moment in U.S. immigration policy, shedding light on the repercussions of the Trump administration's actions in Minnesota and their wider implications. The discussion also encompasses financial pressures affecting a broader demographic, alongside updates on political maneuvers and market conditions, providing a comprehensive view of the current socio-economic landscape.
Additional Notes
- The podcast also encourages listeners to sign up for the WSJ's free What's News newsletter for further updates.
- The episode emphasizes the growing complexity of economic and political interactions in the U.S. landscape, with significant implications for both local communities and national policy debates.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOTrump Administration's Immigration Policy Changes
0:35 to 1:02
The Trump administration is ending its immigration surge in Minnesota.
“Plus, signs of financial stress are spreading beyond low-income Americans.”
Operation Metro Surge Overview
1:02 to 1:44
Details on the ending of Operation Metro Surge and its implications.
“The Trump administration said today that it's ending the immigration crackdown in Minnesota.”
Impact of the Immigration Crackdown
1:44 to 2:28
Discussion on the backlash and its effects on Minnesota communities.
“But if you read between the lines, I think they are actually looking for a way to de-escalate.”
Reactions from Minnesota Officials
2:28 to 3:38
Reactions from Governor Tim Walz and local leaders on immigration policies.
“They were proud of their work in Minnesota, I would say, pretty much up through the shooting of Alex Preddy in Minnesota a few weeks ago.”
Senate Blockage of DHS Funding Bill
3:38 to 5:08
Senate Democrats block a funding bill for the Department of Homeland Security.
“In Washington, Senate Democrats blocked a bill to fund the Department of Homeland Security.”
Rising Financial Stress Among Americans
5:08 to 6:38
More Americans, including middle-class, are falling behind on bills.
“Her departure leaves a leadership vacuum while big cases are going on against major U.S.”
Economic Challenges and Discretionary Spending
6:38 to 7:20
Discussion on how rising costs are affecting discretionary spending.
“And if you are struggling to pay for those things, then what is the first to go?”
Market Trends: Stocks and Bonds
7:37 to 10:04
Overview of stock market drops and investor behavior in bonds.
“Stocks dropped sharply today on more concerns about AI.”
Trump Administration's Actions in Iran
10:04 to 10:40
Discussion on the Trump administration's support for Iranian protesters.
“after the regime's crackdown on demonstrations last month.”
Transcript
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0:34The Trump administration is ending its immigration surge in Minnesota. Plus, signs of financial stress are spreading beyond low-income Americans. The latest data from a trade group that represents credit counselors is showing that more middle-class, middle-income Americans are also falling behind on their bills. And freezing weather sends home sales diving in January. It's Thursday, February 12th. I'm Alex Osola for The Wall Street Journal. This is the PM edition of What's News, the top headlines and business stories that move the world today.
1:11The Trump administration said today that it's ending the immigration crackdown in Minnesota. Here's Border Czar Tom Homan speaking this morning. Operation Metro Surge is ending. And in the next week, we're going to deploy the officers here in detail back to their home stations or other areas of the country that are needed. For more on the end of the operation and its impact, I'm joined by WSJ immigration reporter Michelle Hackman. Michelle, what were the administration's goals in Minnesota and did it achieve them? Holman framed it that way today. He said, we've accomplished everything that we've wanted to here in Minnesota.
1:44But if you read between the lines, I think they are actually looking for a way to de-escalate. They did make a lot of arrests. It remains to be seen how many of those people will actually be deported. There's been a lot of tension both in Minnesota and in Washington after federal agents shot and killed U.S. citizens. There were protests and the fight over funding for the Department of Homeland Security. Michelle, let me play you a clip of Minnesota Governor Tim Walz after Homeland's announcement. They left us with deep damage, generational trauma. They left us with economic ruin in some cases.
2:17They left us with many unanswered questions. Did the backlash to the administration's policy play a role in the end of the surge? Absolutely. You saw the administration do an about-face. They were proud of their work in Minnesota, I would say, pretty much up through the shooting of Alex Preddy in Minnesota a few weeks ago. And at that point, criticism of their operations boiled over. It wasn't just Democrats. It was coming from Republicans saying this looked too chaotic. So they reversed course. They put in Tom Homan. They sort of cut off the chain of command that had already been there in Minnesota.
2:55How have Democrats responded to the announcement that the operation is ending? Democrats in Minnesota are saying, we stood up to ICE and we won. We drove them out of our state. The governor of Minnesota, Tim Wells, also noted that local businesses suffered, as the journal has also reported. What is the economic impact expected to be after immigration agents leave? I think it's going to be extensive. You saw immigrants, even citizens of foreign descent, staying home, not working because they were afraid of ICE. And when people don't go out, it means far fewer people going to restaurants, going to bars that will take time to recover.
3:35That was WSJ reporter Michelle Hackman. Thanks, Michelle. Thank you. In Washington, Senate Democrats blocked a bill to fund the Department of Homeland Security. They said negotiations with Republicans to put new restrictions on immigration enforcement hadn't made enough progress. The failed vote now puts the department on the verge of a shutdown. A short-term funding measure expires after tomorrow. To understand where the Senate goes from here, I put in a quick call to Lindsay Wise, a journal reporter covering Congress, who was still in the Senate after the vote. After this failed vote, the Senate Majority leader John Stoon said that he thought there was no sense in keeping senators here.
4:13They're also expected to be on recess or out of session all of next week. He was pretty downbeat about the potential for a deal, but he said that if there is a deal reached in the coming days, he's told people to stay flexible and senators should come back quickly within a day or two. There's actually a sort of a lack of urgency over here in Congress right now, in part because this is only one Department. All the rest of the federal government has been funded through September already. Also, just the way the pay cycle works for most of these federal workers, they're likely to get at least partially paid through the end of this month into early March.
4:50So I think that things will start to heat up here a little bit more when people start to miss paychecks. In other political news, Gail Slater, the Justice Department's top antitrust official, is leaving her job. During her 11 months in the role, she clashed with senior officials who sometimes were in favor of more lenient oversight of mergers. Her departure leaves a leadership vacuum while big cases are going on against major U.S. companies like Google, Live Nation, Apple, and Visa. Slater had lost the trust of Attorney General Pam Bondi and other top leaders. That's according to a person familiar with the Trump administration's thinking.
5:26Slater didn't respond to requests for comment.
5:34More Americans are falling behind on their mortgage and credit card payments. WSJ personal finance reporter Imani Moise says the pain is spreading beyond low-income people. The latest data from a trade group that represents credit counselors is showing that more middle-class, middle-income Americans are also falling behind on their bills. And the data from this organization is particularly alarming because credit counseling is typically seen as the last step before bankruptcy. Credit counselors, they're nonprofits. It's still seen as a private sector solution before you take it to the courts and get a formal restructuring.
6:09What they're seeing is that the average client now makes$70 ,000. So that's still considered middle class, middle income. It's not high income. But bad outcomes are coming for higher and higher earners. Imani says inflation is making it more difficult for people to stay out of debt. The head of the trade group that represents these counselors put it best that they're seeing debt move from discretionary to survival. So it's not just I'm charging my family vacation to the credit card. It's I'm paying for groceries. I'm paying for gas. And if you are struggling to pay for those things, then what is the first to go?
6:44That would be discretionary spending. The cost of living is getting higher. So everything from housing to groceries to other daily essentials, they're unable to stick to the budgets that they've set for themselves. Coming up, stock markets are sliding, investors can't get enough of corporate bonds, and how the Trump administration tried to get Iranian protesters online. That's half to the break.
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7:37Stocks dropped sharply today on more concerns about AI. The Nasdaq led the major benchmarks lower, dropping more than 2%, while the Dow closed back below 50 ,000. Market fears have spread in recent weeks over how artificial intelligence could disrupt software companies, publishers, financial services firms, and others. Meanwhile, Sam Goldfarb, who covers bonds for the journal, says investors can't get enough of them. You can see the evidence of that in what's called credit spreads. The higher quality, the investment-grade bonds, the yields that you get on them, the gap between those and the yields on ultra-safe U.S.
8:12treasuries, those are the tightest spreads that we've seen in almost 30 years. For more lower-rated bonds, it's the tightest spreads since like 2007 or so. That's just a sign of demand for these bonds because they're willing to accept these yields that are not that much higher than what you can get on government bonds. And government bonds are essentially guaranteed to not default. Sam says that even though there's concerns about an AI bubble, investors have a lot of demand for tech company bonds. Even though the gap between these two yields on corporate bonds and treasuries is small, you're still getting a pretty high yield on corporate bonds relative to what you can get in other parts of the world.
8:57Investors also think that maybe the Fed will keep cutting interest rates and that these yields will go down in the future, so they want to buy them now while they still can. And they're relatively optimistic about the economy, and that makes them less concerned about potential defaults. The company is building these giant data centers to power artificial intelligence models. They're needing to borrow a lot to fund those investments. Investors have all this demand for bonds for reasons we've discussed. So even though the supply is ramping up with this tech borrowing, it's still not too much to overwhelm the demand for them.
9:32Home sales fell 8.4 percent last month, the biggest monthly decline since February 2022. Snowstorms and low consumer confidence slowed a housing market that was showing signs of recovery. Stubbornly high home prices and 30-year mortgage rates that are stuck above 6 % are also making buyers more picky. But the coming months are going to be key to see if the housing market is rebounding. Many people go house hunting in the spring.
10:00We're exclusively reporting that the Trump administration smuggled thousands of Starlink terminals into Iran after the regime's crackdown on demonstrations last month. It was an effort to keep protesters online because Iran shut down internet access. Tehran has repeatedly accused Washington of playing a role in stirring up dissent in Iran. The U.S. has denied any connection to the uprising. The Starlink operation shows the Trump administration has done more to support efforts against the regime than was previously known. And in another exclusive, we're reporting that a U.S. warship and a Navy supply vessel collided in the Caribbean yesterday during a ship-to-ship refueling.
10:36A military spokesman said that two people reported minor injuries and that both ships can keep sailing safely. The cause and exact location of the incident aren't yet clear. And that's what's news for this Thursday afternoon. Today's show is produced by Pierre Bien-Aimé, Anthony Bansy, and Alexis Moore with supervising producer Tali Arbel. I'm Alex Osula for The Wall Street Journal. We'll be back with a new show tomorrow morning. Thanks for listening.
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P.M. Edition for Feb. 12. Border czar Tom Homan says “Operation Metro Surge” in Minnesota is ending. WSJ immigration policy reporter Michelle Hackman discusses how the administration is wrapping up an operation that sparked outrage after the deaths of two U.S. citizens. Plus, U.S. stocks dropped today as AI worries resurfaced. And home sales fell more than 8% in January, their biggest decline in nearly four years. Alex Ossola hosts.
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