U.S. and Israel Consider Attacks on Iran’s Economy

6 Apr 2026 · 13 min · 10 chapters

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The episode covers U.S. and Israeli plans to escalate the Iran war by targeting Iranian civilian infrastructure tied to the military, especially energy sites, to increase economic pressure and gain leverage. It cites Trump’s threat to destroy Iran’s power plants and bridges unless Iran reopens the Strait of Hormuz; Israel is seeking Washington permission to hit Iranian energy facilities after earlier promises to hold off. Guests and notable voices include WSJ correspondents Dov Lieber and Suna Rasmussen, plus JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon warning war-driven inflation and higher rates. Examples: attacks on energy infrastructure, Iran-backed Iraqi militia threats, Japan seeking talks to free trapped oil vessels, and China’s potential pressure on Iran. It also discusses U.S. cheese-name trade rules (Parmesan, feta) and related inflation/commodity impacts.

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Trump's Threat to Iran

0:45 to 1:00

Discussion on President Trump's threat to Iran regarding the Strait of Hormuz.

“I'm Luke Vargas for The Wall Street Journal.”

US and Israel's Military Plans

1:00 to 1:46

Analysis of US and Israel's plans to attack Iranian civilian infrastructure.

“likely detailing the rescue of an American aviator who had been trapped in Iran for more than 36 hours and potentially providing an update on diplomatic dealings with Tehran.”

Escalation Risks and Consequences

1:46 to 2:50

Explores the potential fallout from attacking Iranian infrastructure.

“that's focused on striking civilian infrastructure.”

Impact on International Shipping

2:50 to 4:52

Details on how the situation affects international shipping and oil exports.

“And so we're getting into a new type of escalation here where there can be a lot of economic pain on both sides.”

Economic Concerns from the War

4:52 to 5:51

Discussion on warnings from Jamie Dimon regarding inflation and markets.

“And China is a major customer of Middle Eastern oil and is also an important economic partner and political partner of Iran.”

Cheese Naming Controversy

6:23 to 8:10

Explains the US government's stance on cheese naming and its impact on producers.

“We're the hosts of the Wall Wall Street Journal's Bold Names podcast.”

Paramount's Takeover Backed by Saudi Funds

8:10 to 9:11

Details on the backing of Paramount's acquisition by Saudi investors.

“We are exclusively reporting that three sovereign wealth funds led by Saudi Arabia have agreed to back Paramount's$81 billion takeover of Warner Brothers Discovery.”

Labor Strikes and Corporate Response

9:11 to 10:01

Reports on beef plant worker strikes and the response from JBS.

“ending a three-week walkout at a slaughterhouse owned by JBS.”

NASA's Artemis II Mission

10:01 to 10:59

Highlights NASA astronauts set to break distance records on a lunar flyby.

“Representatives for the Wireless Festival and the rapper didn't respond to requests for comment.”

Box Office Success of Super Mario Galaxy

10:59 to 11:35

Discusses the box office achievements of the Super Mario Galaxy movie.

“The Super Mario Galaxy movie has achieved the biggest box office opening so far of 2026, with estimated global earnings topping$370 million.”
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0:00Jon Emont:Hey, it's Ryan Knudsen, host of The Journal podcast, our show about money, business and power. If you're looking for more deeply reported stories like we share every day, consider becoming a subscriber to The Wall Street Journal. Visit subscribe.wsj.com slash thejournal, all lowercase, to subscribe now.

0:21Dov Lieber:President Trump pledges to destroy Iran's power plants unless it opens the Strait of Hormuz. Plus, Jamie Dimon warns of an inflation run-up stemming from the war. And the Trump administration goes to bat for American cheesemakers, raising a stink in Europe.

0:38Jon Emont:The United States government has probably never really taken this level of consistent action to try to make sure that American cheesemakers are not discriminated against in international markets.

0:49Dov Lieber:It's Monday, April 6th. I'm Luke Vargas for The Wall Street Journal. And here is the AM edition of What's News, The top headlines and business stories moving your world today. President Trump is due to hold a press conference on the Iran war this afternoon, likely detailing the rescue of an American aviator who had been trapped in Iran for more than 36 hours and potentially providing an update on diplomatic dealings with Tehran. In an interview with Fox, Trump reportedly said that the U.S. could reach a deal with Iran as soon as today, even as he threatens to escalate the conflict. Trump has given Iran until Tuesday evening to reopen the Strait of Hormuz and saying that hell will rain down if they don't.

1:30Dov Lieber:And in an expletive-laden follow-up post yesterday, he promised to destroy Iran's energy sites and bridges if the waterway isn't opened. Correspondent Dov Lieber said the warning comes as both the U.S. and Israel have drawn up plans to shift the war into a new phase that's focused on striking civilian infrastructure.

1:49Jon Emont:The Israelis tell me that they have plans to hit Iranian energy facilities. That's something that they promised they would hold off doing after Trump asked them to following a strike on Iranian gas field. But now they've got new plans and they're waiting for permission from Washington to hit those energy facilities. And what's happening here is that both the United States and Israel are looking for a new type of leverage, a leverage they haven't been able to gain by going after pure military sites. The U.S. has conducted talks with Iran, but those don't seem to be going very well. And I think the two sides are hoping that by striking these infrastructure sites, they will be able to increase the pain on the Iranian government and hopefully buy

2:27Dov Lieber:themselves some leverage. Both U.S. and Israeli officials have brushed off concerns that attacking civilian infrastructure risks violating international law, saying they're legitimate targets because they produce material used by Iran's military. However, Dove told me that pulling the trigger against civilian targets risks putting economic facilities of importance to the U.S. and its allies in the crosshairs.

2:50Jon Emont:There's no guarantee that even if Israel and the United States hit all these sensitive energy sites and infrastructure that the Iranians are going to give up anyway, and the Iranians are promising to retaliate in kind across the region in a way that will seriously affect the regional economy as well as the global economy, potentially for many months or years to come. And so we're getting into a new type of escalation here where there can be a lot of economic pain on both sides. And it's not clear whether that will actually bring us to a

3:17Dov Lieber:resolution either way. In addition to warnings from Iran's military, an Iran-backed militia in Iraq has pledged to attack energy infrastructure across the Middle East should the U.S. try to open the Strait of Hormuz by force, according to a statement posted by Iranian state media. Meanwhile, Japan appears to be hoping that diplomacy can help unblock its oil exports trapped in the Gulf, with Prime Minister Sana 'a Takeuchi saying that her government is seeking talks with Tehran to secure the release of vessels stuck in the vital shipping lane. She added that she wants to see all vessels released from the strait regardless of their nationality, though it's an outcome that appears increasingly unlikely without a change in direction from Iran.

3:59Dov Lieber:Its Revolutionary Guard Corps Navy said yesterday that it's working to enforce a new security order in the Persian Gulf and that the strait would, quote, never returned to its previous condition. Here was correspondent Suna Rasmussen.

4:13Jon Emont:The biggest unknown in this, of course, is Iran. And I think a lot of shippers and insurance companies will not be willing to take on the risk of resuming shipping in the strait if they don't have guarantees from Iran that Iran will not fire at ships. So, in a sense, it's also up to Iran to declare when the war is over. The U.S. is definitely the dominant military power here, But Iran has the ability to escalate things in the Persian Gulf and in the Strait of Hormuz. And as long as Iran doesn't agree to cease hostilities or to cease threats against ships going through, well, then the uncertainty remains for international shippers.

4:51Jon Emont:A very important factor is going to be the amount of international pressure that's put on Iran. And China is a major customer of Middle Eastern oil and is also an important economic partner and political partner of Iran. So going forward, I would definitely be watching for whether China steps up and is willing to exert enough pressure on Iran to get this problem solved.

5:12Dov Lieber:Chinese flagged vessels are among a limited number of ships that have been allowed through the strait in recent weeks.

5:21Dov Lieber:Meanwhile, oil futures are little changed after this weekend's escalatory rhetoric, despite an agreement by a group of OPEC-plus countries to raise oil production by more than 200 ,000 barrels a day starting next month. their second consecutive such move. And JPMorgan Chase's Jamie Dimon is warning of more oil and commodity price shocks in the months to come. In his annual shareholder letter, Dimon warned that the war could lead to prolonged inflation and ultimately higher interest rates, calling that a skunk-at-the-party scenario that could drag down financial markets this year. U.S. inflation figures will be in focus at the end of this week, with February's PCE price index due out on Thursday, followed by the Consumer Price Index on Friday.

6:05Dov Lieber:Coming up, the Trump administration requires trading partners to accept America's view on generic names for cheeses, including Asiago and Parmesan, and NASA astronauts head to the dark side of the moon. Those stories and more after the break.

6:23Jon Emont:Hi, I'm Christopher Mims. And I'm Tim Higgins. We're the hosts of the Wall Wall Street Journal's Bold Names podcast. On our show, we bring the bold name companies featured in the pages of the Wall Street Journal to life through real conversations with the people that lead them.

6:41Dov Lieber:If you're looking for more news and insights that bring you inside the C-suite, consider becoming a subscriber to the Wall Street Journal. Visit subscribe.wsj.com slash bold names to subscribe now.

7:06Dov Lieber:What defines a cheese like Parmesan? According to the U.S. government, it's the product itself rather than where it's made, a view that runs counter to the European Union's policy on protecting regional provenance. In an effort to boost global sales of U.S.-made cheese, the Trump administration is now requiring trade partners to accept America's view on cheese names like feta, brie, and parmesan. Journal reporter John Emont says the effort aims to protect American cheesemakers, many of whom are large and efficient from international discrimination, though the move faces significant pushback.

7:41Jon Emont:If you take a cheese like feta, the European Union's policy is that feta can only come from specific areas of Greece. And so when they sign trade deals with foreign countries, they frequently require these other countries to accept the European Union definition of what feta is. And what that means is if you're a feta producer in, say, Wisconsin or Vermont, you can't sell your feta into the market unless you call it something different, like a crumbly hard cheese or something. Parmesan is another one that sometimes comes up in these discussions because American Parmesan producers can't access a lot of foreign markets because of rules that originate in the European Union, which say that these cheeses like Parmesan only comes from northern Italy.

8:25Jon Emont:American cheesemakers are very excited because going forward, it looks like they're going to just have a lot more market access in some very big dairy markets, places like Argentina, like Indonesia, like Malaysia, like Taiwan.

8:40Dov Lieber:We are exclusively reporting that three sovereign wealth funds led by Saudi Arabia have agreed to back Paramount's$81 billion takeover of Warner Brothers Discovery. The agreements could help to offset the cost to the Ellisons and Redbird Capital Partners, which is also backing the deal. But Gulf investors won't have voting rights in the new Paramount-Warner entity, and their involvement is not expected to trigger reviews by the Committee on Foreign Investment or the Federal Communications Commission. Thousands of striking beef plant workers in Colorado are set to return to work today, ending a three-week walkout at a slaughterhouse owned by JBS.

9:20Dov Lieber:The union, representing 3 ,800 workers, said over the weekend that they would resume their shifts as contract negotiations with the world's largest meatpacker are set to restart later this week. And drinks giants Pepsi and Diageo have pulled their sponsorship of a summer music festival in London after Kanye West was announced as a headliner to perform all three days of the event. British Prime Minister Keir Starmer has also criticized the decision to book West, who now goes by Yee, and who's been promoting a new album. West has been trying to repair his image after years of controversies, including denying the Holocaust.

9:57Dov Lieber:In January, he took out a full-page ad in the Wall Street Journal where he blamed his behavior and anti-Semitic views on his bipolar disorder. Representatives for the Wireless Festival and the rapper didn't respond to requests for comment.

10:13Dov Lieber:To the Artemis II mission now, as NASA astronauts are set to make history with a lunar flyby that will break a distance from Earth record currently held by the Apollo 13 mission. Here was NASA's Lori Glaze speaking yesterday in Houston.

10:28Jon Emont:So we're really gearing up now for what's going to be an exciting lunar flyby tomorrow. Our flight operations team and our science team are ready for the first lunar flyby in more than 50 years.

10:40Dov Lieber:For the three Americans and one Canadian on board, the six-hour journey will offer unprecedented views of the moon's far side, regions that were either too dark or too difficult for previous Apollo astronauts to see. And speaking of out of this world...

10:55Jon Emont:There's a huge universe out there.

10:59Dov Lieber:The Super Mario Galaxy movie has achieved the biggest box office opening so far of 2026, with estimated global earnings topping$370 million. The success of a second film around a more than 40-year-old Nintendo game reflects a trend around video games driving theater attendance after last year's A Minecraft movie based on the Microsoft series grossed more than$960 million globally. According to Comscore, total domestic box office this year is up 26 percent from a year earlier. And that's it for What's News for this Monday morning. Today's show was produced by Hattie Moyer. Our supervising producer was Daniel Bach.

11:39Dov Lieber:And I'm Luke Vargas for The Wall Street Journal. We will be back tonight with a new show. And until then, thanks for listening.

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From the publisher

A.M. Edition for April 6. In an interview, President Trump says he could strike every power plant in Iran if Tehran doesn’t open the Strait of Hormuz by Tuesday evening. WSJ correspondent Dov Lieber says that threat comes as both the U.S. and Israel step up attacks on Iran’s infrastructure. Plus, PepsiCo and Diageo pull their sponsorship of a major London music festival after Kanye West is booked as a headliner. And geopolitics reporter Jon Emont explains how the Trump administration's decision to push trade partners to use cheese names that the EU claims for itself is raising a stink in Europe. Luke Vargas hosts.

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