Why Latin America Wants Change in Venezuela

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WSJ What’s News - Why Latin America Wants Change in Venezuela

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  • Title: Why Latin America Wants Change in Venezuela
  • Date: January 6, 2023
  • Host: Luke Vargas
  • Description: This episode discusses the recent political developments in Venezuela, the role of the CIA in assessing the Venezuelan opposition, and the implications for U.S. foreign policy in Latin America.

Key Topics Covered

  1. Political Landscape in Venezuela
  2. New Interim President: Delcy Rodriguez, former vice president under Nicolás Maduro, has been sworn in as acting president.
  3. Rodriguez emphasized the protection of Venezuela's sovereignty, calling Maduro's arrest a "kidnapping of a hero."
  4. She has shown a willingness to engage with U.S. officials, particularly Secretary of State Marco Rubio.
  1. U.S. Intelligence Assessment
  2. CIA Findings: The CIA has reportedly determined that the Venezuelan opposition is too weak to effectively lead the country, with Maduro's inner circle remaining the most capable of maintaining order.
  3. Internal Challenges: The opposition, particularly led by Maria Corina Machado, is considered to face significant legitimacy issues due to opposition from security forces and organized crime.
  1. Regime Change Perspective
  2. Latin American Leaders' View: There is a shared interest among Latin American leaders in seeing a regime change in Venezuela.
  3. Carlos Solar from the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) highlights the importance of maintaining pressure on the Maduro regime while exploring dialogue with Rodriguez to facilitate a transition towards democracy.
  1. Migration Crisis
  2. Impact of Venezuelan Migration: Over 8 million Venezuelans have fled the country, creating a significant humanitarian and political issue across Latin America.
  3. Organized crime networks are reportedly controlling migration routes, exacerbating the problem in neighboring countries.
  1. Reaction to U.S. Policies
  2. Regional Responses: While there are anti-U.S. sentiments expressed by leaders in countries like Colombia and Cuba, there is a consensus on the need to address the escalating criminality stemming from Venezuela's current regime.
  3. Historical Context: Solar draws parallels between current events and U.S. interventions in the past, suggesting that long-term opposition to U.S. actions may diminish if Venezuela stabilizes.
  1. U.S. Political Dynamics
  2. Marco Rubio's Influence: Rubio, holding significant influence as both national security advisor and secretary of state, is viewed as crucial in shaping U.S. policy towards the Americas. His expertise in Latin American affairs is highlighted as a factor in U.S. engagement.

Additional News Highlights

  • Minimum Wage Increases: More than 8 million U.S. workers will receive pay raises as 19 states hike their minimum wage, surpassing the federal minimum of $7.25.
  • Nvidia's AI Developments: Nvidia unveils new AI chips designed for advanced model training in simulated environments, addressing the high computational demands of AI.

Conclusion The episode provides a nuanced view of the political complexities in Venezuela, emphasizing the interplay between local leadership, U.S. foreign policy, and the broader implications for Latin America. The discussions underscore the ongoing migration crisis and the potential for future stability depending on political changes within Venezuela. ```

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Delcy Rodriguez's Presidency

1:05 to 1:38

Discussion on Delcy Rodriguez's inauguration and her stance on U.S. relations.

“and here is the AM edition of What's News, the top headlines and business stories moving your world today.”

CIA's Role in Venezuelan Transition

1:38 to 2:27

Exploration of CIA's conclusions about Maduro's inner circle and potential transitions.

“come as she signaled her willingness to work with Washington and spoken to U.S.”

Challenges Facing Venezuelan Governance

2:27 to 3:22

Interview discussing the potential for a safe transition in Venezuela.

“has been collecting intelligence since Operation Southern Spear started five months ago, at least.”

Migration Crisis from Venezuela

3:22 to 4:09

Analyzing the impact of Venezuelan migration on Latin America.

“That is going to be an angle to watch in the weeks, months, years to come.”

Regional Response to Venezuela's Crisis

4:09 to 4:44

Understanding how neighboring countries perceive U.S. actions regarding Venezuela.

“They might not side with the White House American foreign policy.”

U.S. as Enforcer in Latin America

4:44 to 6:00

Discussion on the U.S.'s role and influence in Latin America under Trump.

“And we've seen protests in places like Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.”

Carlos Solar's Insights on Latin America

6:00 to 6:56

Interview with Carlos Solar on U.S.-Latin America relations and Venezuela.

“But how profound is this pivot to being the so-called enforcer of the Americas?”

U.S. Government Funding Deadline

7:14 to 8:41

Current status of U.S. government funding and potential shutdown implications.

“Some of the best lessons don't come from a classroom.”

Minimum Wage Increases

8:41 to 9:37

Discussion on recent minimum wage hikes across states and their implications.

“As many as 8.3 million workers in the U.S.”

NVIDIA's New AI Chips

9:37 to 10:18

Insights into NVIDIA's advancements in AI technology and its implications.

“Okay, Vera Rubin is designed to address this fundamental challenge that we have.”
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0:36As Venezuela's Delce Rodriguez takes the oath of office, we'll assess her chances of turning around the country and the depth of Trump's foreign policy commitment to the Americas. As long as Marco Rubio is running the show, I think there'll be a lot of energy towards the Western Hemisphere. Plus, NVIDIA pulls back the curtain on faster AI chips, and more than 8 million workers get a pay bump as states hike their minimum wage. It's Tuesday, January 6th. I'm Luke Vargas for The Wall Street Journal, and here is the AM edition of What's News, the top headlines and business stories moving your world today.

1:12We begin in Venezuela, where Nicolas Maduro's longtime vice president and top lieutenant Delcy Rodriguez was formerly sworn in as acting president yesterday.

1:28In a ceremony, Rodriguez pledged to protect Venezuela's sovereignty and independence, and she described Maduro's arrest as the kidnapping of a hero. But those defiant words come as she signaled her willingness to work with Washington and spoken to U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio. So how reliable a partner is Rodriguez for the U.S.? For more, we're joined by Carlos Salar, Senior Research Fellow at RUSI, the Royal United Services Institute in London. Carlos, we exclusively report that in the run-up to Maduro's arrest, the CIA concluded that Rodriguez, as well as other members of Maduro's inner circle, were the ones who were best placed to maintain order in Venezuela, while opposition figures would be in a position where they'd be struggling to gain legitimacy, facing resistance from security forces, drug trafficking networks.

2:19What do you make of that, especially in terms of what it's going to take to see this safe, proper, judicious transition in Venezuela that President Trump has promised? I think that's the safe bet. The U.S. has been collecting intelligence since Operation Southern Spear started five months ago, at least. So I think the security services have a good and clear idea of who's running the country, where the combatants are, where organized crime bases are, and what role could, and organized by quite thinned out opposition led by Maria Corina Machado, who's currently out of the country, together with Edmundo Gonzalez.

2:56So I think it is a smart idea to try to navigate this critical moment with the regime. That doesn't mean that the U.S. should be lenient to the regime at all. I think pressure is needed, but I think a dialogue with Delce Rodriguez might move the needle in the direction that the rest of Latin America will want, which is re-democratization of Venezuela. We haven't talked much about immigration in the context of Venezuela the last few days. So many people have fled Venezuela in recent years. That is going to be an angle to watch in the weeks, months, years to come. Do people start to return, especially if the governance situation there improves?

3:32Yeah, absolutely. I mean, the calculations are 8 million Venezuelans have gone out of the country, north, south, east and west, neighboring countries and all the way north to the U.S. and Canada, all the way south to Chile and Argentina. So it's a big problem. Those lines of migration are usually controlled by transnational organized crime. Everyone in Latin America has been hurt by Trend de Aragua. So they are a very, very mean criminal organization who are taking spaces in Ecuador, in Peru, in Colombia, in Brazil, in Chile, in Central America. So all these countries, they might not side with the politics of Donald Trump.

4:13They might not side with the White House American foreign policy. But they do side with the fact that Venezuela is in a downward spiral and is escalating criminality across Latin America. Would you say those forces are stronger than some of the opposition to U.S. action we've seen in recent days? For instance, Colombia's president saying he'd be ready to take up arms against the U.S. Cuba, which we should say lost 32 of its officers in the operation to capture Maduro, called American forces terrorists in imperial uniform. And we've seen protests in places like Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. What should we make of that?

4:49This is a lot of heat of the moment, OK? A lot of political opposition to whatever Donald Trump will do. If we rewind history and we go to 1989, when the U.S. did something similar to Noriega in Panama, if you read history, opposition to the United States lasted for long. But then Panama turned into a flourishing country, which is now a hub for finance, for commerce and for other services across Latin America. But the fact that Venezuela has been the hotspot of many vices towards the rest of the Western Hemisphere, the relationship with the U.S. is so important for Colombia. The security of Colombia is not at a good moment.

5:29Some parts of Colombia have been dominated again through either guerrilla paramilitaries or organized crime, all in a lot of connection to their border with Venezuela. So it's not about running Venezuela. I think it's about having enough political pressure in order to steer the regime in one direction, which is, believe me, what a lot of Latin American countries will want transition towards democracy in Venezuela. Carlos, the U.S. very much applying that political pressure, at least for now. But how profound is this pivot to being the so-called enforcer of the Americas? Well, let me put it in real terms.

6:08As long as Marco Rubio is running the show, I think there'll be a lot of energy towards the Western Hemisphere. So Marco Rubio holds two hats, national security advisor and secretary of state. He seems in a very good moment to be with Donald Trump. I think there is a strong connection between them. He's an expert in Latin America. He's senatorial career. He's a politician, as in southern Florida. He speaks in Spanish to foreign leaders in Latin America. So the connection between what the White House can do with the rest of Latin America, and specifically in connection with Venezuela, is quite strong at the moment.

6:46Dr. Carlos Solar is a senior research fellow for Latin American security at RUSI, the Royal United Services Institute. Carlos, thank you so much for being with us on What's News. Thank you, Luke. Coming up, lawmakers return to Washington with another funding deadline looming. And NVIDIA unveils a new AI chip for the Omniverse. Those stories and more after the break.

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7:45In Washington, the next deadline to reach a deal to fund the federal government is looming, though in the wake of a 43-day funding lapse last year, Democrats' appetite for another shutdown looks diminished. Centrists say that too much damage was inflicted on American households, with many in the party saying they're uncomfortable triggering a shutdown at the end of January. Meanwhile, some Democrats remain frustrated with Republicans and see spending bills as an effective form of protest. Meanwhile, the Trump administration is expanding its freeze on social services funding in four further states due to fraud concerns, according to senior officials.

8:24The government is pausing funds for child care and poor families in California, Colorado, Illinois and New York. Last week, Minnesota's federal child care funds were cut off following allegations of fraud. There is no indication of fraud in the four other states. As many as 8.3 million workers in the U.S. are now receiving higher pay after 19 states boosted their minimum wage at the start of the year. That means that 30 states have now set a higher minimum wage than the federal minimum of$7.25 an hour. Washington has also become the first state to enact an hourly minimum above$17, the rate that some Democrats have pushed to be adopted nationally.

9:08Economists continue to debate the effects of raising the minimum wage, with some arguing it hurts businesses' bottom line, leading to increased prices or lower employment, while others say it reduces poverty.

9:23And NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang has unveiled new, faster AI chips that the company says will enable the training of models in simulated environments, the next phase of AI it calls the Omniverse. Speaking at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Huang said the intense demand for advanced processors to train and operate models has pushed the semiconductor industry to move faster. Okay, Vera Rubin is designed to address this fundamental challenge that we have. The amount of computation necessary for AI is skyrocketing. NVIDIA's newest AI servers, known as Vera Rubin, a name for the mid-century American astronomer, will go on sale in the second half of the year.

10:07And that's it for What's News for this Tuesday morning. Today's show was produced by Hattie Moyer and Daniel Bach. Our supervising producer was Sandra Killhoff. And I'm Luke Vargas for The Wall Street Journal. We will be back tonight with a new show. Until then, thanks for listening.

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From the publisher

A.M. Edition for Jan. 6. Venezuela has a new interim president, but much of Nicolás Maduro’s old guard remains in power. We exclusively report that the CIA found the opposition too weak to lead the country. RUSI’s Carlos Solar explains why, despite protests, Latin American leaders want a regime change in Venezuela, and the critical role Secretary of State Marco Rubio could play in encouraging it. Plus, Nvidia pulls back the curtain on faster AI chips. And more than eight million U.S. workers get a pay bump, as states hike their minimum wage. Luke Vargas hosts.

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